Seems to me there was a bit of a power level discrepancy in this one but could be wrong I suppose. Seeing fast mana like mana vault and chrome mox paired with things like diamonds in other decks looks a little fishy
Pako is always a kill on sight commander. I literally took my deck apart since I could never get in more than 1 combat a game with pako (even with protection) since everybody would kill spell it to avoid it snowballing.
I made mine pako and halden control so it would easily protect pako and it was the flip side where games would get so boring and oppressive that I had to take it apart
Luckily that hasn’t happened to me yet. Probably because I play it with friends who play Korvold, Prossh, Emry, Kalamax and Thrasios + Someone. So every commander can be a kill on sight.
This game kinda reminds that decks need to run a bit more targeted removal, if paco was removed even once this would have been a bit different of a game
I'm not sure why Morgan didn't cast Chandra's Ignition during his own turn... both opponents were tapped out, so less chances of any of them answering to anything, he wouldn't lose any lands to Price of Glory and Andrew would've been left with no creatures and little life.
I have never seen a game with pako and haldan that was enjoyable to watch or be part of. It's either making sure one player doens't get to play or just get steam rolled by one way too fast growing mutt
I have a version of Elliott's deck but with Piru the Volatile as the commander. Piru allows you to gain back all the life you lose for playing all the hate cards.
Sorry, I can't avoid laughing my ass off your comment, not because you wrote anything wrong, but because in Brazilian Portuguese, Piru is a slang for dick 😂😂😂
Elliot illegally casted Path to exile after playing the archon of emeria... it says *each* player can't cast more than one spell per turn, it counts itself.
Seeing pako makes me sad. I love him but had to rip it apart because he’s such a threat he was insta killed no matter what I did, my pod has lots of spot removal
The game was ok. It's unbelievable the lack of interaction. Everyone just want to put it's own strategy before the others. In my play group, everything would be blown out several times.
Every time I see trostani, gotta make sure it’s not a 4 year old video! Lol thanks for the upload Andrew! Your channel has been such an amazing find for someone new to EDH, and I really look forward to seeing what’s in store for the channel! Will you be doing merch? I think if you did a kickstarter for the Muddstah playmats, you’d get a good response!
Not a fan of these games with power differences unfortunately... If one player is playing Mana vaults, Chrome moxes and other mana positive rocks the game is not going to be balanced... Doesn't help Pako is absurd.
Fun game with a lot going on! Elliot's stax take on Gisella was very spicy and not what I expected, too bad it didn't get a chance to really flex. As always Pako is a good boy but always destroy on sight -- I can't recall a game where he didn't dominate the table.
I made a sub-optimal temur deck with Pak and Haldan (it was actually just a bunch of good stuff spell slinger sheananigans) and it was so awesome. Pako was such a beast in no time at all. Also: I also put in like 99% of my life into the processor....and that is without Trostani on the field :p ). Gotta take some risks from time to time right?
People talk about how Pako is busted, but the truth is that no one bothered to do anything about Haldan or Stolen Strategy, the two cards giving Morgan all the card advantage he needed. If I were drawing up to seven additional cards each turn, no matter what deck I'm running, I would probably be unstoppable too. People are apparently too scared of the big boi's size to notice the real danger.
@@xterminator7580Every big boi without trample...is not a threat more often than not. Yeey i got 10/10 eldrazi. It gets blocked by a 0/1 plant token. Try again.
Pako/haldan is resilient against stax. Pako is usually played at latest at turn 3 prior to opponents setting up their board. Seems to me that other players have not done correct threat assessment when pako hits the board. Maybe having chrome mox and mana vault in the deck seems seems cedh in a pod of casuals but the pako player did not mulliganed AGGRESSIVELY for really fast mana.
Disagree. People make the mistake of comparing Pako to Sen Triplets but the fact is that Pako is one of the most tame theft decks in the sense that he doesn't take resources from you. He's taking the top card of your library, which you didn't have access to anyway, so it doesn't matter. If he took cards from your hand, it would be way more unfun.
Lot of people complaining about Pako, but barely anyone is pointing out that there was basically 0 interaction from the rest of the table... I think most people who complain about Pako are the same people that only run like 5 removal spells in their deck. Or people who think Pako is a Cedh pub stomp deck every time (Which even by Cedh standards Pako is mid at best)
I think there were some easy to miss mistakes made on Turn 6 when Trostani attacks and is blocked by Hushbringer. 1. The Dockside Extortionist that Jeska's Will exiled cannot be played since you must follow the normal timing permissions and restrictions for the exiled cards. For example, you can’t play lands this way unless you have land plays available. 2. Dockside Extortionist's ETB would not make treasures since Hushbringer has not left the field yet.
Hi! 1. Morgan had Veldaken Orrery out so he could flash the cards in exile (I believe) 2. I mentioned he waited until after they died. We were just slow clearing the board.
1. Vedalken Orrery 2. The chaos wand was at end of combat (after damage) and at 8:10 (the same combat), the hushbringer was destroyed as it blocked Tristoni during the damage step.
@@MTGMuddstah Yeah you're right. It was easy to miss since the Veldaken Orrery was hidden under the editing and the slow at removing the board didn't register. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Turn 1 sol ring wins again. Also, 3 players drawing only 1 removal and no board wipes the whole time lost the game. Do you guys not play a lot of interaction?
I took my Paco deck apart because he would always get dog piled with kill spells the turn I played him (even if I had a counterspell up). It’s basically a glorified Voltron deck where you basically have to beat people to death one at a time and it just gets old fast.
Seems to me there was a bit of a power level discrepancy in this one but could be wrong I suppose. Seeing fast mana like mana vault and chrome mox paired with things like diamonds in other decks looks a little fishy
How was there a power discrepancy
Classic pub stomp game. Im sure everybody had a ton of fun
Hope to see some spicy jank but I know that the oppressive evil incarnate demon named pako will probably be played turned 2 and win turn 4 per usual.
Pako is always a kill on sight commander. I literally took my deck apart since I could never get in more than 1 combat a game with pako (even with protection) since everybody would kill spell it to avoid it snowballing.
I made mine pako and halden control so it would easily protect pako and it was the flip side where games would get so boring and oppressive that I had to take it apart
Luckily that hasn’t happened to me yet. Probably because I play it with friends who play Korvold, Prossh, Emry, Kalamax and Thrasios + Someone. So every commander can be a kill on sight.
@@hiddenleaf414 ah Thrassos and friends a clasdic
This game kinda reminds that decks need to run a bit more targeted removal, if paco was removed even once this would have been a bit different of a game
Would have been more interesting as well, Pako games are dull.
He did have hexproof tho
They tried removing him
True. This game gave me slight pub stomping vibes. Seems so have tons of fast mana and non of the other decks seemed to have those
they tried, but pako got hexproox,they should've used a boardwipe
I have never enjoyd a game with pako in it, it still holds true.
Nah nah nah nah nah. You were absolutely correct in your choice of how much life to pay with the Processor. You're living your best life.
Well that was a non-game I guess
I'm not sure why Morgan didn't cast Chandra's Ignition during his own turn... both opponents were tapped out, so less chances of any of them answering to anything, he wouldn't lose any lands to Price of Glory and Andrew would've been left with no creatures and little life.
I have never seen a game with pako and haldan that was enjoyable to watch or be part of. It's either making sure one player doens't get to play or just get steam rolled by one way too fast growing mutt
Pako has quickly become a kill on sight or counter on sight commander for me.
That does seem to be the correct course of action nowadays ahhhh
please note that haldan says you may cast *noncreature* spells, so Morgan couldn't have played that Avenger from the Pako-pile
I believe they hit it off of stolen strategy at 5:40.
That Avenger came from Stolen Strategy, not Pako.
Maggie’s deck looked fun! I wish we could’ve seen more :))
Did Elliott seriously cast Archon of Emeria then immediately double spell?
he sure did, as well as doing the path in his mainphase instead of waiting for Morgan to drop his guard
@@gdiridium5525 price of glory is symmetrical; he didn't want to need to sacrifice his own land in WR
When you know that the game is over, than you say it twice
I have a version of Elliott's deck but with Piru the Volatile as the commander. Piru allows you to gain back all the life you lose for playing all the hate cards.
Sorry, I can't avoid laughing my ass off your comment, not because you wrote anything wrong, but because in Brazilian Portuguese, Piru is a slang for dick 😂😂😂
Also wouldn’t dockside not trigger since hushbringer wasn’t dead yet?
Hushbringer had already died in combat when Morgan dropped Dockside. They didn't get it off the table quick enough.
Elliot illegally casted Path to exile after playing the archon of emeria... it says *each* player can't cast more than one spell per turn, it counts itself.
I love the concept of Pako fetching cards for his master. A+ for flavour win! 😆
Bestest of bois
how does morgan play things at instant speed? i mean, that dockside and the volcanic torrent during combat.
He casted a vedalken orrery a few turns before.
Vedalken Orrery
Vedalken Orrery
ty all :D
Seeing pako makes me sad. I love him but had to rip it apart because he’s such a threat he was insta killed no matter what I did, my pod has lots of spot removal
The game was ok. It's unbelievable the lack of interaction. Everyone just want to put it's own strategy before the others.
In my play group, everything would be blown out several times.
Every time I see trostani, gotta make sure it’s not a 4 year old video! Lol thanks for the upload Andrew! Your channel has been such an amazing find for someone new to EDH, and I really look forward to seeing what’s in store for the channel! Will you be doing merch? I think if you did a kickstarter for the Muddstah playmats, you’d get a good response!
Elliot couldn’t have cast path to exile after archon was down.
Not a fan of these games with power differences unfortunately... If one player is playing Mana vaults, Chrome moxes and other mana positive rocks the game is not going to be balanced... Doesn't help Pako is absurd.
I'm a simple man: I see an MTG Muddstah video, I click.
Read the table Morgan there’s no blue here lol
wasnt't the archon his only spell for the turn when elliot cast it?
He mis-sequenced it, but yes.
@@MTGMuddstah shouldn't Elliot have cast that other spell before the archon then?
@@robertbolea4341 that's what he means by "mis-sequenced it"
i am addicted to ur videos holy fck LOL
Fun game with a lot going on! Elliot's stax take on Gisella was very spicy and not what I expected, too bad it didn't get a chance to really flex. As always Pako is a good boy but always destroy on sight -- I can't recall a game where he didn't dominate the table.
I made a sub-optimal temur deck with Pak and Haldan (it was actually just a bunch of good stuff spell slinger sheananigans) and it was so awesome. Pako was such a beast in no time at all.
Also: I also put in like 99% of my life into the processor....and that is without Trostani on the field :p ). Gotta take some risks from time to time right?
People talk about how Pako is busted, but the truth is that no one bothered to do anything about Haldan or Stolen Strategy, the two cards giving Morgan all the card advantage he needed.
If I were drawing up to seven additional cards each turn, no matter what deck I'm running, I would probably be unstoppable too.
People are apparently too scared of the big boi's size to notice the real danger.
and that is why pako is such a good boy.
@@xterminator7580Every big boi without trample...is not a threat more often than not. Yeey i got 10/10 eldrazi. It gets blocked by a 0/1 plant token. Try again.
@@afspeellijstnaruto How did that have anything to do with what he said? Did you read the comment?
Pako/haldan is resilient against stax. Pako is usually played at latest at turn 3 prior to opponents setting up their board. Seems to me that other players have not done correct threat assessment when pako hits the board. Maybe having chrome mox and mana vault in the deck seems seems cedh in a pod of casuals but the pako player did not mulliganed AGGRESSIVELY for really fast mana.
Wow that was a butt whoopin!!!
Pako is one of my favourite budget decks. Everyone knows what Pako does, but they always underestimate Haldan and that theft ability.
Man, I never enjoy playing against Pako. I kill that dog on sight.
Pako is so fucking insane
I know it’s a very low chance but technically Andrew could have put Trostani into his library with chaos warp and maybe hit it again to save him.
Your font for your video’s thumbnail might need an upgrade 🧐
Pako and Haldan always seem to pull ahead on these games, not a fan of any card that steals cards from other players.
It always a feel bad moment.
Disagree. People make the mistake of comparing Pako to Sen Triplets but the fact is that Pako is one of the most tame theft decks in the sense that he doesn't take resources from you. He's taking the top card of your library, which you didn't have access to anyway, so it doesn't matter. If he took cards from your hand, it would be way more unfun.
That casual proxy swap tho
Lot of people complaining about Pako, but barely anyone is pointing out that there was basically 0 interaction from the rest of the table...
I think most people who complain about Pako are the same people that only run like 5 removal spells in their deck. Or people who think Pako is a Cedh pub stomp deck every time (Which even by Cedh standards Pako is mid at best)
How could Morgan play dockside at instant speed? Jekas will still requires you to obey all timing rules.
Veldaken Orrery.
@@MTGMuddstah woops I missed that thanks!
Damn, playa cut himself off in his own video 😢
I think there were some easy to miss mistakes made on Turn 6 when Trostani attacks and is blocked by Hushbringer.
1. The Dockside Extortionist that Jeska's Will exiled cannot be played since you must follow the normal timing permissions and restrictions for the exiled cards. For example, you can’t play lands this way unless you have land plays available.
2. Dockside Extortionist's ETB would not make treasures since Hushbringer has not left the field yet.
Hi!
1. Morgan had Veldaken Orrery out so he could flash the cards in exile (I believe)
2. I mentioned he waited until after they died. We were just slow clearing the board.
1. Vedalken Orrery
2. The chaos wand was at end of combat (after damage) and at 8:10 (the same combat), the hushbringer was destroyed as it blocked Tristoni during the damage step.
@@MTGMuddstah Yeah you're right. It was easy to miss since the Veldaken Orrery was hidden under the editing and the slow at removing the board didn't register. Thanks for clearing that up for me.
Good game but paco is sooo boring to watch. Especially when he isn't removed
Anyone putting cyber ninjas in their decks?
Turn 1 sol ring wins again. Also, 3 players drawing only 1 removal and no board wipes the whole time lost the game. Do you guys not play a lot of interaction?
Gisela stax deck getting the beat down was so satisfying to watch
You remove Pako once he is tapped out. Not when he has enough blue to counter it ffs
Boring match, way overpower deck for the table
Pako is no fun, did not enjoy watching this beat down.
I really hate how boring Paco decks are.
it's because people get suckered into the "nOoOo YoU cAn'T tArGeT mY pUpPeRiNoOo" and dont realize how much of a problem he is before its too late
I took my Paco deck apart because he would always get dog piled with kill spells the turn I played him (even if I had a counterspell up). It’s basically a glorified Voltron deck where you basically have to beat people to death one at a time and it just gets old fast.
@@gdiridium5525 Never a problem for me, I don't like dogs.
yeah i only run pako in my samut deck as a big beater non of that blue theft crap just good old nya beat down
#newplanechase
Pako and Haldan is a very, very unfair Etali
Which is saying a lot... Etali is already very unfair. Exile 4 cards AND get to free cast anything that's not a land >
@@zackkelley2940 On a 6/6 for 6 with no haste lmao
@@brandoncreek5709 I thought Etali had haste. Oops.
Pako is a booring deck, when I play I like to play with my deck, no others players taking my cards XD. Fair game bois.
the pako deck that i made focussed on playing my own shit tbh :P. Just ramping and throwing big sorcery spells at people.
Pretty boring game
Ugh, I hate Pako.
I hate pako
Ffs, the top deck has almost nothing to do with you drawing lands! Such hogwash.