The dark side of Ukuthwasa (Initiation) |Unpacked With Relebogile Mabotja - Episode 18 | Season 2
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- We unpack the dark side of Ukuthwas. A guest shares her story on some of the challenges she's faced as a young healer.
Studio Guests: Yolanda
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Have you guys realised how relebogile always choose her Wadrobe that will match with the topic and moods? That's creativity and it makes the guest to be comfortable . I once watched the story of Yolanda its painful but she is a fighter
Now that you mention it, I'm actually seeing it.
Thank you for the compliment ❤️
So true. I even remember the pastor Phiri enterview.
I thought I'm the only one who noticed 😊
I realized that too❤
Her use of language is so beautiful, I could listen to her all day, she is so descriptive and objective in such a manner that anyone can relate. Wow
Absolutely Admirable 🥰👌🏾
i was looking for this comment actually
I agree!
So true. This was my thought exactly when she started speaking. Her choice of vocabulary to her descriptiveness is impressive. Such a lady also. The way she sat and carried herself throughout this interview 👌🏽May God grant her healing and strength from that entire ordeal. Also really hope this dark and dirty “culture” stops at initiation schools because not only is it invasive and traumatic but also ruins the beautiful of becoming a traditional healer for those called to heal plus also leaves one scared.
Halft way through the episode...I was like wow...her vocabulary is on point.
Yolanda has such a commanding voice that draws you to listen to her.
I admire how graceful she carries herself.
I agree and her use of language is just exceptional!
She is giving me Zozibini vibes
She's a healer, she is Igobela.
"Trust in the Lord with all your heart, and lean not on your own understanding. Acknowledge Him in all you do and He will guide you on the right path" May the boundless, merciful love of Jesus Christ meet you in your place of need ❤️🙏🏽. There's not a single thing or person or being or event in this entire universe that will ever seperate you from the love of Jesus. You are DEEPLY loved.
Anykind of belief in the unknown is equally demaging, you see see story of people who left the Evengelical/ Pentecostal churches. I know beliefs are coping mechanism for most who don't want to face real life adversaries by things their are some forces and powers to help them. We so now with lock down that we were all affected equally and no forces are effective to reality.
Umuhle wena 😍Mosa Hlobelo
@@nomxhosapekani7966Not really hey. Statistically speaking, its been proven that having no religious belief is the most detrimental thing for society. For instance, suicide rates have been found to be higher among atheists. Also atheism doesn't have any answers for a lot of important factors of "real life". It fails to provide, for example, standards or basis for moral behavior. From an Ashiest perspective, a statement like "belief in the unknown is equally damaging" is absurd because how do you know? The reality is that faith is actually more reasonable than no faith.
@@cebo_sa1952 before yall were captured and introduced to Jesus what did your family before you believe in?
@@ulwazingesizulu968 Good Question. Easy answer: It doesn't matter what my people believed before me. As humans, we change our views almost every time new and more relevant information comes to light. To keep unsound beliefs even when better information is presented is defined as being delusional. For example, mina Anginaso isizathu sokukholelwa emadlozini ngoba I have tasted the Goodness and Reality of Jesus. I have walked with him and can testify to the truth of his Word. If a person like me holds on to beliefs like atheisms and Amadlozi, it would be foolish.
Imagine being told during the start of your initiation process that there will be no sexual activity,but the very same people victimize you sexually. Nonsense...
They do that so that they can suck out all the power given to you by ur ancestors through sexual ties. There are even pastors who do that by sleeping with young girls in their churches .
That's when the "grooming" start; taking you away from any lover you might have and reserving you for themselves.
@@noxiemvula6384 that cruel.and this seem to be the story of most female.i wonder wha happens to Male,probably for them its easier,no rape .🤷♀️
Right!? It’s so disgusting
I know i am at the initiation n i was almost raped last night by the same gobela who said i should never have sex until i am done with initiation these things are soul draining
I can’t but see Zozi😍😍 this lady is so articulate and I could listen to her talk all day. They saw her power and tried to take it away, I’m glad she’s doing well. Strength to you sis, remain beautiful and humble ❤️
I believe the hair style plays a big role
so true in that
I see Zozi too’
Yeah she definitely zozi's sister 😊
This kind of nonsense happens even in churches but are well hidden by so called elders...congratulation to our sister Yoli for coming out in this manner her journey in uncovering her calling is pantuated by such unforgivable pain...we trust God to heal you n that you find space in your heart to trust n love again . I wish that by God's grace you get married n raise strong wise n spiritually healthy children
Why you rushing her to marriage??
exactly! Orthodox and non-orthodox churches
Which kind of church does this dear?
Marriage? Well just wish her good and leave the rest to her.
I was also thinking about how this happens in churches. The "narcissistic spiritual grooming" and bullying by someone the victim considers the elder/leader as an authority figure
she's the most beautiful woman ever and she's so well spoken.
Yeey she is BEAUTIFUL ❤
Doesn't she look like Zozibini Tunzi???
lol that is what i have been saying through out the show😅😅🥰🥰they look alike
Yes they do look-alike
Lol yes. Her confidence and how she articulates reminds me of Zozi
Yes
At first I thought it was her
I went to high school with her super proud of you Yolanda for taking stand be educational about everything because it’s going to help many people who may be going through samething but weren’t sure as to what was happening with them
Her hair cut is so beautiful♥️
Her voice says it all, she really went through the most.
She looks so much like Zozi Tunzi😍😳
I clicked because I thought it was her 😂😂 I don't regret it thou.
@@prudencempyampya3669 😂
She does
She does n she’s also smart n intelligent like her , it like they twins honestly 🙊🙊
Yes they do
One thing about this show it's will open your mind in so some perspective and inform you, allow you to grow in way that you didn't think.
She definitely has her own strength her own voice.. Her bravery is unspeakable I'm so inspired by this young lady so beautiful and well spoken.. I really wish there was more time for the interview to be longer.
She's so strong,so beautiful, articulate and so intelligent.
These things dont onlybhappen ephehlweni. They happen everywhere. Workplace, family, church... everywhere. And as long as the rapist/predator is protected, they continue with their dirty acts and to them, they see it as normal. The stories are basically the same.
I think you should write the topic in order to draw more viewers, because just seeing unpack does not propel to click the video, unless you're someone who knows about the channel
I agree
The title must come before the name of the channel.
Sport on Sbari
I totally agree with you on this one
Totally agree with
True
Every girl should watch this before they begin their traditional healing initiation, because most of our men are just so sick 💔💔💔
These spirits will use any tactic to get you to agree to "the calling". Intimidation, sickness, fear, anxiety to the point where you cannot even put into words what's going on. They will torment you in your sleep. They will sneak into your dreams. Only to get you to give up your soul. I am glad the Lord gave you the voice to set the captives free. For some spiritual leaders sex with young girls is a requirement to get power from the evil forces that are behind them. Only those whom the Lord Jesus Christ has set free are free indeed. He has called us into life not death, light and not darkness. Freedom and not bondage. Jesus Christ is the way, the truth and the life!
She’s so well spoken 🥰
Very
We need to call her back sisi please. She reminds me of Zozibini Tunzi, her grace, her vocation and good communication in trying to make viewers understand her story.... She drew me into her journey.... Continue doing the good that you are doing.
She is so articulate man. She is empowerd ka nnete. If we continue ka culture ye ya secret the more we will continue to fail many. Go tseba mang gore how many people are still facing the same today?
I can only imagine that traditional initiation are one of the most difficult spaces to reveal sexual abuse so this interview was very important for us to unpack.
I believe she was the chosen one to reveal the demonic side of that particular initiation school. And as we are born we have this journey that we need to walk into so that we can be who we are supposed to be.. You are a strong Women my dear I admire the brave in you and I love that child in you that made you stand up for yourself.....🙌🙌Yoli ❤️
All of the initiations schools are demonic, it's demonic practice and those who go through it are ought to do all the demonic attached . Is either Jesus and the devil ... no in between , so if it doesn't purely reflect God and nature of him and doesn't match the Bible ... it's demonic full stop. Ignorance will keep dragging people to serve the devil. No excuse to being ignorant
@@tlalerosie9437 ignorance isChristians such as yourself who have no respect for other beliefs
@@tlalerosie9437 People may disagree coz their entitled to their opinions and supposed "knowledge", fine but what you said is the whole truth Tlale Rosie. You laid it bare, Thank you so much
@@SHENGEsiyabonga we have no respect for the spirit behind ( demons) , the forbidden spirits of darkness
Thokozani...As a new graduate I can totally relate to gogo's story but the form of abuse that I had to endure was emotional and financial.My experience has made me pledge myself to do better for the future generation of healers as we continue our mission to bring forth healing to our families and nation.Breaking the chains of distractions that seek to destroy our people. MAKHOSI
unfortunately , Sangomas literally worship 3 of the fallen angels; Azazel, Amezarak & Armaros. sad
Where can I find that information?
She’s gorgeous, both ladies infact. I wish she would write a book about her experiences maybe even document some of these rituals. Not a book of spells but the philosophy and thinking behind African spirituality.
She resembles Zozibini Thunzi (sp)
Miss Universe. Very beautiful and blessed. Speak sister, good work Relebogile!!
Kakhulu tjoo😍
This was my initial thought, indeed. She is GORGEOUS!
She's too much. A gem this one 🤗
Her description of what a gift is makes me so receptive to mine.
She said it sooo beautifully. I'm really doubting myself and what I have and listening to her, was great
I will never forget her story it has struck my mind ... I'm glad she's doing okay
So so sorry i had to go through such filthy experience
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Let me also say you are the chosen one the fact that you voulf rise above this ordeal tells me u r the chosen one to save others from such horrible acts
You had to go through this*correction i
Her voice has such a calming and comforting effect. Stay strong sisi ❤️❤️
I thank God for this show, mind opening, challenging our thought process and all. Thank you Yolanda for sharing your story
Well articulated Yolanda l enjoyed the atmosphere of the show. Keep it up Relebogile.
I think I've seen her on Moja Love before. She is absolutely beautiful. And shoutout to her for having the strength to share her story ❤️
It was on Idlozi with sis Thembi. I also remember her
Yolanda is so lovely. Her experience is relatable on many levels and I’m so happy that she had family support and has found a way to make a beautiful life beyond this horrible experience. So humble, such clean energy.
She is soh brave... Even thou growing up around sangomas i have this positive perspective ka bona cause ive seen greatness around it....but When she said it was difficult to open a case i get it... The level of obidience they have upon theirs seniors yoh ud be shocked
You’re so strong, beautiful and so well spoken. You told your story with so much courage & boldness ♥️ Love & light Yoli
The woman interviewing did a beautiful job truly listening.
People in power, no matter what space, tend to victimize people who are trusting them for guidance.
Let's be aware to not give people too much power over our lives no matter their calling.
Eye can't help but wonder that,Yolanda running to that initiation school could have been the gobela's using spells to bring her there, disguised as badimo.
What happened to, your ancestors come to you in a dream and tell you about your spiritual gifts and where to go to help train you on how to utilise your gifts?
This was eye opening. Third eye opening.
I’m so fortunate to have accepted Jesus in my life, i was also being troubled by sanatic dreams in the past, dreams of snakes, dreams of being lost not knowing where i was and trying to find my way home and couldn’t find it till i wake up from the dream, yooooh was so hectic but don’t wish that experience on anyone
But she didn't have satanic dreams like you she had a calling.
We thank God Patience that He rescued you from Hell fires. @Vonani may the Lord opened your spiritual eyes,
@@vonanr i’m not disputing or undermining her calling and her experience, i’m just expressing my experience of the spiritual world
@@lundinyangule112 what are you talking about wena
I'm so sorry for what you went through sisi, you're strong and thank you for opening up so that no one after you falls prey to this. 💔
😥I literally just couldn't help being tearful while listening to al that she s been through..! At such a tender age. Thanks for using ur not so pleasant experience as a tool, to not only unveil the 'untold reality' of intwaso but to aslo have courage to raise awareness and empower young sangoma to speak up! That's just genuine strength ❤
Can the government reinforce the death sentence. We stand with you. Ladies I'm sorry we as men continue to disappoint you.
And it's so comforting to know that we have men who understand the pain caused by rape, and it's more comforting that you stand with us because we always thought and felt as though this is a woman's fight. We need men like you, we can't end it alone.
I understand that you're disgusted, but the death sentence is not the answer. Who is going to be responsible for pulling the switch? Who must have the burden of having killed another human being on their soul? Would you do it?
Wow... She's grown to be such an amazing young woman. Yolanda ka Gogo bantu
My Xhosa brain was trying to figure out how a woman goes to initiation school.
Thank you for sharing your story Yolanda. These are the parts of spiritual practices they don’t share.
Me too mntase I was ekuqaleni
Strenght to her.
Jonga
My Sotho brain was also trying to figure that out🙈😅thought I was alone
Me too sani
@@lebohangm7252 but how did you not understand it?i understand the xhosa confusion but wena?
She put the definition so well and beautifully…
she is so well spoken and beautiful, big ups to her for speaking up for herself and everyone who has been sexually abused
She is smart, she is brave, she is beautiful and she is an amazing young woman.
These things of Sangomas is becoming fashionable, be careful people...be careful
Have u noticed? Thats why I don't believe in these things
Very true..even when someone just has a higher intuition they think they have a calling and must go to initiation school
Thokozani boGogo, Thokozani bomkulu
Be careful with what ? This is part of who we are, ubungoma isn't something we should be afraid of, as sangomas we don't adore or praise our ancestors we only acknowledge them a show them out respect camago
@@younggc2537 are u even reading carefully and processing before replying?
@@hlengiwemasondo2858 Ngiyaxolisa if I gave the wrong massage
Jesus loves you girl! You are beautiful and precious to Him. Jesus said 'I am the Way, the truth and life, no one comes to the Father except through Me. John14:6 Jesus is the ONLY Way. He died for us to show us just how much He loves us. That's true love. No other love can compare with this one. God loves you girl. Give your life to Him and keep on trusting Him and putting Him first in all you do. Matthew6:33
But she doesn't believe in Jesus you heard her
Amen
She’s so beautiful and articulate 😍
Seen her 1st in BET, MOJA LOVE & HERE.. She is really determined telling her story. It's so sad what she went through
She was on Izangoma Zodumo at SO called Dr Maweni's. I wonder if thats who she's talking about
we are in the last days!![Matthew 24:3-14]
"Repent, for the kingdom of heaven is at hand" [Matthew 4:17]
"For God so loved the world that He gave His only begotten Son, that whoever believes in Him should not perish, but have eternal life" [John 3:16]
Know that God desires "all men to be saved and to come to the knowledge of the truth" [I Timothy 2:4]
To my brothers and sisters in Christ, "Go into all the world and preach the gospel to every creature" [Mark 16:15]
amen
NO we not
You advising Africans to reject their culture and follow western!
@@yourbestdailymotivations_137 it’s not western culture. The western stole it to use it to oppress us
Amen.
Yooo this episode was so sad, I'm so glad she's in a good space ❤️
Thokoza gogo... I feel her, mina I ran away and found someone who assisted me and only to find out that was a wild goose chase I was following, and my little sister stayed there till today we don't know why she isn't coming home and changed numbers and not reaching out to her family... the funny part it's only been 2 years now
And this is still a trigger to me a huge one, I guess that's the other scar I should live with
Yoli you are our voice, your voice prevent all the horrible things that happens at ephehlweni. Your voice gave me all the strength question my niece's gobela. My niece used to call us saying she is lonely and that she wants to go home. We asked is everything is okay, if she wasn't abused in some way n she said no. We were all far but I was the closest. I made time to visit just to clear my conscious. Fortunately her Gobela was a lady n she was strong enough to carry out the training and all was good.
I salute your strength. You put a stop to all the nonsense that bo gobela does. 👏
You are a great interviewer Relebogile! You were made for this. Commanding & captivating voice
Thokoza gogo, i am so sorry for what you went through and i believe as hard as it was, it was part of your journey to speak for the voiceless families and trainees👌🏿👌🏿👌🏿
Sadly it happens to, too many.
Her hair cut is dope!
I can't begin to imagine what Yolanda went through. She is indeed a strong woman, sending love and light your way ❤️
Yaze yabuhlungu inhliziyo yami😭 and I totally understand how difficult it could've been coz there's a lot more happening spiritually imithi that's being used ukugqilaza and to control their minds is too strong. I am so glad that she is breaking the silence. God bless you sisi
When you open up to such spirits, you open a space for them to get in.
It's however very sad that people in power do this to young women.
This really broke my heart she’s so strong!❤️
She is so well spoken and beautiful ❤️
This makes me very upset.
What she's saying is so true, some Phehlo are a nightmare.
I left ePhehlweni with mere abuse, that nothing close to what she's saying.
I was not about to let anyone abuse me. I was also in Soweto.
You are told that ur life will be stricken with poverty n misfortune.
I wanna tell everyone, it's bullshit. OGobela behaves lives God's wife, please don't take that nonsense. If u are abused, leave.
Forget what they tell about it Dlozi cursing u.
Your ancestors will see u through.
Imagine. How do you claim to be bringing healing when you causing suffering and strife in another's person's life? Aowa. I'm glad you left. Yeses, there's only one God
Her aura transcends the screen. I feel so calm 🤍
It's demotivating to see/learn how prevalent sexual predators are - in all areas of life & all industries. 🙆
Even in spiritual spaces, which might seem to be "above it all", as a woman, you still have to insecure about your safety.😭 😥
Shame, It's a saddening reality that there's no safe place for women. 😭😭😭
💔
Truly heart breaking
Well, if you believe "there's no safe place for women," then there isn't. You have in that way, let this story trigger your own fear. Which is a good thing. Now all you have to do is: face it and stop handing over your POWER to it.
I dnt knw how many times I've listened to her story but each time it makes me cry 😢
May God bless her and all who have suffered the same abuse. Wishing you wellness, healing abundance and blessings. Keep up the great work girl, power to you.
Great hosting Relebogile. You allow your guests to speak freely giving them their due spotlight. And kudos to your guest. What a story
The contents in this channel are educational, empowering and motivating.
The setup of your stage is great and the quality of your cameras are just mind blowing.
Be blessed sisi Lebo🔥🔥🔥
One thing about this lady, she made a choice not to be a victim for life. As sad as this is, you came out victorious; you're a warrior. Power to you, i really hope many women can draw strength from you and rise up.
I trust you to break the crux of the decuplets stories. I trust you to ask the right questions that are crucial.
I’ve followed Yolanda’s story for as long as I first heard her telling it. So amazing to see her so grown and beautiful 🤍✨
Yolanda is absolutely amazing. God bless and protect her always❤
Wow .just came upon this channel.lm so in awe of the interviewer.So skilled.so humble .So compassionate.You are the Oprah of Africa.l had to subscribe instantly.Love your content.There is always much to learn and creates such great awareness.Thank you for what you do and your guests for bringing their experiences that are impacting lives.🇯🇲🇯🇲🇯🇲
Sending love to you Yolanda. Your strength and courage is just beautiful to watch 💪💪💪💪.
I remember her from the big secret with Mmasechaba. She is brave. May God and your guides heal you completely and help you in your journey. Rele I hope you are taking some therapy ey you hear Alot of disturbing stuff. I respect your Emotional intelligence. 💯❤️
I hate the cult-like mentality in initiation schools. It's scary
It is a cult even these churches
The funny stuff is that idlozi always torments people. These spirits would never bring something good before torturing you. Imagine having to brew traditional beer when you have never tasted alcohol. Surely madlozi love orgies & smoke weed. The 21st century ancestors will be demanding hubly bubbly
Wowwww this beautiful lady in black I love to listen to her! I can't speak so brilliantly like her omg she's a real story teller! My word! This programme I'm hooked all the way from The Netherlands uti I'm Dutch but let me be strong for her xx
Sisi no one has to go through what you went through. You did'nt deserve that. May GOD restore healing and thank you for sharing your story very eye opening
My people perish for lack of knowledge.
The book of revelation clearly states most of these practices are taught by the fallen angels. sad
May the ancestors and God give her healing and restoration. I pray that people that are about to undertake this journey tread carefully🙏🏻🤯.
Why the ancestors and God? What relationship does darkness have with light? It's either ancestors or God. The two can't work together 😩. Child you seem confused.
@@mirplus8967 who said that ancestors are darkness ? You're the problem or better you're indoctrinated oh again she's still a traditional healer .
@@mosalethoba5267 since God the creator is light, anything on the opposite side of Him is darkness. Jesus says He is the way the truth and the life; no one comes to the Father except through Him. Not through ancestors. "God has overlooked these times of ignorance. Now He commands every one to repent, because He has appointed a day on which He will judge the world in righteousness by the Man (Jesus) whom He has ordained. He has given assurance of this to all by raising Him from the dead". Which of your ancestors has God raised from the dead that he should be equal with God?
@@mirplus8967 you see hating on things you don't understand because you were indoctrinated or taught self hate . Ancestors aren't equal to the God but they're the vessel to God just get that . Oh In my language God is also called Ramasedi ,Ra for He Lesedi for light ie Ramasedi refers to he who enlightens or he who brings good spirit in our lives.oh by the way in my culture Sangomas always says Lesedi and we're supposed to say Kganya , Lesedi and Kganya are one thing they refers to enlightenment.oh Again in African Spirituality we don't die we elevate to another spiritual level.
@@mosalethoba5267 what I've said so far has nothing to do with hate, self hate or indoctrination. I've seen nothing but ignorance, filth and poverty in families where ancestors are worshiped. What I don't understand is how you fail to make the connection.
If amadlozi claim to love people sooooooo much,why do they let them go through such trauma??
Mxm Scaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaam
Us Christians go through trauma aswell, does that mean God loves us any less?
@@southafricantaxation488 are you ok .You can tell your parents or a friend if the pastor or phrophet do something you not agree .Even take him to court .Don't allow people to take advantage of you ..
This is really what ive beeeen saying
@@khetaniqwele2861 uPastor ungenaphi manje? I did not say anything about trauma caused by pastors.
I'm talking about life traumas that we as people don't have control of but only God. There are bad things that happen in life which makes one question if God even exists.
It doesn't matter what u believe in, you will still get hurt or go through trauma. It's life
Don't tell me about pastors...
@@southafricantaxation488 as Christians problems and troubles of life bring us closer to God and it's make us grow in the knowledge of him .I don't know about those who goes to initiation process what benefit them in troubles .Mind you discussion here it's problems encountered in those initiation process.
I'm so proud of her for speaking up
Her beauty is captivating. Her voice is so soothing.
Only at the beginning and girl, I know your story and I've lived it. ❤ ❤ ❤
The African American historical Legend of slavery Harriet Tubman was a well-known natural healer she came from a line of natural healer on her mother's side she was also known to have seizures where she saw visions or God spoke to her
this is a sad story indeed , hence most ppl dont let their kids go ko le fehlong , im so heart borken listening to her , im glad she eventually spoke.
She expresses herself so well
I like how she explained what initiation is 👏
You're the perfect person for this Show Sister , good skills indeed 😊🙌
I was not expecting this , My heart just broke . My friend's daughter is in initiation school at the moment and I don't know how I'm gonna address this with her
i salute u gal....Camagu...you ARE a healer
Brilliant interviewing skills 👌👌👌👌
Thank you!
👏👏👏👏👏Wow. She is a change warrior. Big Ups Yoli.
How did the mother simply accept the apology? Shouldn't she have wanted to hear from her own daughter first?
This whole thing sounds like it's a cult man.
It is a cult. Group of people platforming sacred rituals a lot of sacrifices are made so yeah. Just like Christianity is a cult to The Jews
Bless her poor soul🥺 glad you’re in a better space ♥️ love and light
The power of spirituality made you concur the abuse and sexual assault, GOGO you are more than a conqueror, 4 years later and you speak as if 100 years ago they thought they are stilling your gift, your will power, they thought they are busying you but they never knew that your a seed an you will grow better and more stronger proud of you, may amadlozi wonke welizwe akulwele Gogo & alwele bonke abogogo who are victims of spiritual sexual assault and heal our world from such evil ppl.
Very informative, loving the topics and the show ❤️
OMG to think she was a happy soul in front of our eyes... So young and active not knowing she is enduring so much pain... In that place... So painful but I'm glad she spoke about this to help other young girls in her situation