The tiny bit of coiling might ( _might_ ) help with 2 things. 1. Shock absorption to reduce physical sound transmission through the cable 2. Cable Strain/ Positioning
The coil is just annoying to me. It lays right on my collar bone and drags when I turn my head. I bought a Hart audio cable to replace it and it's been great.
I have a feeling that there was a "dream team" of engineers in sennheiser from mid 90s to mid 2000s ish. After that, it's just small tweaking here and there.
Most of it's just comfort and tuning these days to appeal to casuals. Quantifiable technical capability should really be the starting point when looking at the price of a product.
@@1337wafflezzLolwhat? The HD600 series (minus the new 660 models, which use the inferior 150 ohm driver) is renowned for not only its incredible tonality, but it's class-leading distortion figures from the midrange up (everyone knows the bass is a bit woolly) and its ability to dig deep into the recording and pull out tons of small details and dynamics that bring the recording to life. FR and confort are _not_ the only things that matter unless you're floundering about in mid-fi purgatory, because tone and comfort are the best you can hope for in that range.
@@fwabble Only when taken in proper context, i.e. _NOT_ the absurd 2Vrms SINAD that paid-off hacks like Amir at AudioScienceReview use, because that signal doesn't exist anywhere within the range of listening, and is a single data point isolated from an entire suite of very relevant data that is being erroneously omitted.
@@drizzlydr4ke I second getting the ZMF pads (suede perforated). the 6xx were unbearable to wear for me with stock pads once my ears started touching the driver but I got the ZMF pads and that problem is gone forever.
@@Justmakesomenoiz I use the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 4th gen, and the top 3 games I play: Rainbow six siege, Overwatch and Rocket League (that game doesn't require sound like the other two).
you should. bigger the cup=more bass you can "afford'" without masking mids... these are smaller than 600 series but more bassy.. so you enjoy less bassy mixig pads.
@@OrganTheGrinder it surely depends on personal tastes. I would say that HD600 sounds more intimate and full, and Hd490 is definitely more clear and give you more sense of space
I own both the 560S and the 490 Pro. I have to say, despite the memory foam pads of the 490 Pro, the 560S is more comfortable than the 490. The 560S is the only headphones that I can completely forget are on my head. That doesn't happen with the 490 Pro. After a while of wearing the 490 Pros, I have to remove them.
@@ChrisKeymanI found them very similar to my 400 Pros which are apparently identical to the 560S, but I think they are a little different or at least have better quality control. The 400 Pro/560S sound like a middle ground between the two 490 Pro pads. There may have been an improvement in the tinny sound of the 560S, but I was so distracted by the comfort issues and I am going off memory, so I can’t really say for sure. I didn’t find it impressive or comfortable compared to my 400 Pro.
@@ChrisKeyman The 490 is a slightly improved version of the 560s, offering more bass and slightly better sound separation. As a music producer hobbyist, I've used them for mixing purposes. However, for casual listening or enjoying music and movies, I believe the 560 is the better choice.
I own the 560S and I find it an amazing value proposition. It's pretty much the only audio output device I own where I don't feel a need to EQ anything. Even my Blessing 2 Dusk requires some EQing to sound really good to me.
For me it's the HD600 and Sundara.. sure you could tweak it but you don't need to, it's good enough. Touch of mids for the Sundara or maybe bass or something for the 600? They're good enough as is to not bother really.
For the dt 770 pro, many complaint about the highs, but after the pads get worn out, it becomes surprisingly much more nicer. I would say its underrated in the way you think the 6xx is underrated.
Hi DMS, another great video, the 490 is well designed and good build quality and of course with the plus version with a great carrying case with extra cable . I have 6xx with custom cans bass mod , helps with bass at lower end and fitted thicker pads too . I also like and own the Hd560s but for some reason the 560 in the Uk is about £130 , I don’t understand why in the Us is around $200 headphone compared but compare to the 6xx is the same price in but its a better build better cable . Regards mark
your definition of term detailed very well said ... that is what I have come to define the term ... just never knew how to describe it so eloquently 😂🙏
I own 598, 560S, 6XX, 660S and 660S2. I also have HD800S. Each has something special but I'm in love with 660S2. It brings the 600 series magic with a deeper view into the music. They just sound more like live music. They can now be found for a more reasonable price. They bring me a lot of joy. I also own Hifiman HE1000 SE. Incredible headphones but sometimes (a lot of times) the Sennheisers are just what the doctor ordered. 😁 Don't think I'll be adding the 490 to my collection. Doesn't sound like they're beating anything I already own.
Ugh. I couldn't listen to the 660 for more than like 10 minutes before needing to rip them off my head because of how God awful the upper mids were. And they're less resolving and less dynamic than the 600/650 on top of having worse tone because that 150 ohm driver is a piece of shit compared to the 300 ohm one in the original line.
I agree. At first listen the 660S seems to have more detail/clarity but as you listen to them longer you soon realize they don't have the 600 series magic. No bass and very shouty. I found them fatiguing. Out of my collection they sound completely different from the rest of my Sennheisers. Now the 660S2 is a completely different story. The magic is back in full effect and they now elevate the series to the best sound yet for me. Just yesterday I decided to do some A/B comparisons with the 6XX and 560S. Yes, they are still excellent sounding cans but the second I go back to the 660S2 the elevation in sound and musicality is instantly heard. 660S2 for the win at the right price. 🙂
@@alondite215 I agree with you, on these awful upper mids. All 600 series headphones have them. I still own the 6XX, but I always EQ the upper mids down a notch, otherwise the piano and violin will just pierce through my ears.
and this is why i own a lokius. every single pair of cans i own are perfect. cause i have 6 bands to adjust and when anything is slightly off, i can make it right as rain… after i get things tuned in, i can then apply those same values on my digital EQs we really should bring back the physical EQ…
I am interested in 490 for travel. Single sided cord that is adjustable and cups that have a little more movement making them a lot easier to wear around your neck. Obviously not good for airplanes but general walking around / work.
I'm glad I went with the HD560s, it's an amazing headphone that I got for a discount...the soundstage, immersion, sound and imaging is really good, I'll always keep this headphone till I die because it's just a good-all-rounder, everything sounds good thanks to that neutral and flat sound. I suggest this for first timers.
Great review DMS,so good in fact I just ordered a set after owning the hd600 set for the better part of three years. I put the ZMF perforated suede pads on and did the full on Custom Cans Copper mod . Both upgraded I highly recommend. The hd490 pro looked just interesting enough in the uppers to help my hearing which is starting to fade in the treble range being I am 65. And the number one point that sold me….fit and comfort, especially for long listening sessions. The Sennheiser sound with a modern twist and all day comfort…..what’s not to like…?
Loved your review, like always. If you're in Germany again or see it at other audio shows try out the "Camerton Binom ER". Would love to hear your opinion on it. Also I'd like a video to get a status update to the omega. Please bring it to munich high end, if you're going there.
Well DMS I think you and I probably agree on the fact that the 6XX is the best headphone. I have an Atrium which i think objectively sounds better than the 6XX, however, I am not going to wear the Atrium literally all day, the 6XX is just a more comfortable headphone to wear and use for everyday purposes, it's (relatively) cheap overall and very very cheap in comparison to something like the Atrium, even though I love my atriums, it's my favorite headphone for listening to music in fact, but it does cost 2500$. I think that this is pretty much the highest form of compliment you could possibly give to a headphone, when considering everything, price, comfort, tuning, etc. So yeah there are better sounding headphones than the 6xx imo, but overall when taking everything into consideration, there is probably nothing better out there for me personally either. Good review as always, the 490 seems like a good headphone and there are people out there that will definitely enjoy it, however most recent sennheiser headphones just seem harder to recommend because they have so many legendary / great headphones out there already at a lower price than the most recent models.
The 600/650. The best headphone at just being a good headphone. Easy to listen to, easy to drive, comfortable, neutral tuning, indestructible. Not the best sounding out there, and my Sundara bests it while staying fairly neutral.. but it's not massively different, really, in the grand scheme of audio devices most people listen to. It gets you 90% of the way there from everything else.
that little coil in the cable would actually be so nice, my cable gets caught every now and then and it ends up pulling on the headphone, but that would help alleviate that, i want a cable like that now
Because he's a hack who says whatever he's paid to say. The best audio advice always comes from the old, grizzled audiophiles who've been around the block a few dozen times and have heard basically everything there is to hear, on top of probably making some of their own gear. Stay away from basically any TH-cam audio guy and get your advice from a dedicated audio community of the aforementioned grizzled audiophile veterans.
I have both (490 and 6XX). You mentioned “sharp” briefly but not in details, I define sharp as fast transient, and I find the 490 Pro is much faster and punchier than the 6XX, the difference it’s like sitting in the front row vs the middle row. IMO, this is one of the differences.
@@hartyewh1 I still feel 490 has more timbre, because of faster drivers and more presence. BTW, I find harman target too much around 1-2kHz region, I always EQ it down a bit.
@@dc99yt Yeah, sure the target itself is just that, but to compare headphones I find it necessary to bring the FR's as close as I can since tuning influences all aspects of sound. I don't notice any benefits for the 490 over 6XX except the tiniest of benefit in bass dynamics at the cost of depth and weight. 6XX is a warm and full bodied headphone while 490 is much leaner, but it is just a tuning difference and not a technical capability as far as I can tell while 6XX (or 600) has such lovely timbre that most headphones ten times the price don't outperform.
@@hartyewh1 I agree. That’s why I’ve decided to keep the 490 Pro, I see it as a different headphone, it doesn’t replace my 6XX. But with some Hi-Res recordings that have a warm tone and tones of details and presence, the 490 is a better choice. Also on the 6XX, I do not like the two-blob presentation just outside your ears when I’m just trying to relax.
I think the small section of coiled cable is not so much for length as it would be for if you get cable snagged on something it does not jerk your head as much or unplug the cable/damage port
Hi, great video would you say that this over the HD560s are a considerate upgrade? I have the DX3 pro+ and thinking to upgrading to these but the fact that they have the same driver as my 560s is keeping me back from doing it. Thanks for the video and all answers are as any recommendation is appreciated
I want them purely for comfort. Im debating between these and the 660s2, but i don't lovecthe fit of the 6xx so if the 660 is the same as that, id lean tiward the 490.
@@W1LLi4m_ neither one yet, I have the akg k712 pro and it's so comfy that it's hard to bite the bullet and spend money on another pair. But if I sell my 6xxs I could maybe justify it. I'll try to come back and let you know if I get them.
@@W1LLi4m_ If you still are interested, i own both 650 and 490 pro, and while i really like the sound of 650, even after couple years of use they were uncomfortable for me, so i made the jump to 490 and they are super comfy
Detail is transient response. How well do the guitars, for example, poke out of the mix as opposed to being smeared across the audio spectrum. Do the lead instruments sound like a mid-frequency wash or like several instruments playing simultaneously?
What's the little round thing on the grill on each cup on your 6XX? What does it do? It would be cool if you made another mod video covering things you've tried
I was waiting for your take on this one . I do believe Andrew likes this one but I don't know if he had any preference . I'm torn between the 490 Pro or Sony's open back that came out last year. Same price I believe . Nice review as always and thank you
@@TaeglicheNarzisst Yes, of course. I have returned to closed-backs though, more specifically the DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition. But I might switch to the MMX 330. An open-back headset with a good microphone can be useful.
Hi! As you asked for suggestions, i would love to see a video on the DALI IO-12. I bought it and i already had the Focal Bathys, i can say it is as impressive as the Bathys, while sounding REALLY different. A good companion for different moments. I definitly think you should test it. To be complete, a video on the other high end Bluetooth headphone The T+A Solitaire T would be great. I didn't hear it yet, but it seems promising.
I bought the 6XX a month ago after owning PC38X, Sundara, Edition XS, Focal Elegia, and MM-100 and I think they're pretty incredible. I wish I would have purchased the 6XX over the Sundara back in 2020 because they're just better in a lot of ways IMO. Still have the others and love the Edition XS and MM-100 (Elegia is my closed back option for loud environments) but it's really impressive how good the 6XX for $180 and they're super comfortable. Also, I blame you, DMS, for consistently talking about 6XX because it made me feel like I still had to buy them even though I was purchasing much more expensive headphones LOL.
@@mitchhifi9192 IMO, the stock FR tuning of the Elegia without EQ is really awful. Oratory's EQ profile makes them sound really good for a closed-back. I still prefer the 6XX to them because they're open-back, and that's my preference, but I love them as closed-backs with EQ and enjoy them a ton. I will also say that the 6XX has some interesting qualities in the mids and treble that none of my other headphones have which is part of why I wish I would have bought them years ago.
@@rionvaletaala4666 TLDR; MM-100 if you EQ MM-100 stock FR probably isn't as good as the Sundara, but with EQ I prefer them to the Sundara with or without EQ. Stock Sundara does sound pretty good, especially for the price, and has some unique properties to it, but don't necessarily improve that much with EQ. The Edition XS and 6XX are fantastic and only require a simple bass shelf, but the MM-100 and Elegia require quite a bit more EQ, but also improve substantially. I prefer the build quality of the MM-100 to the Sundara, it's just straight up a better-built headphone. Edition XS IMO is just better than Sundara in every single way so I just think that's a pure upgrade. The MM-100 and Sundara do have some different qualities and the MM-100 aren't as wide in soundstage but there is a lot of music I listen to where there is this closeness/detail retrieval thing that happens in the mix which I love. Also, I think the Sundara are absolutely garbage headphones for gaming, they had the worst imaging or directional accuracy I've used in a decent headphone. I will not keep a headphone that sounds and performs like shit in games, so all the headphones I have right now I don't feel the need to take off or switch when I start gaming at night.
So this chassis looks like a combo of the momentum and the now dead PCX line. And I really only have on question. Do these have angled drivers like 500 line?
i think I've gotten to a point with my HD6XX where it is a sound signature that I am comfortable with. It's what I prefer to listen to so I won't be upgrading but from a purely technical stand point I can agree that maybe the 490 definitely has some characteristics that I may enjoy more. but Im happy where I am.
So these are twice the price of the HD 599 pair I have. How do these compare to those, I wonder? I'm pretty happy with the 599's but they're like 7 years old and starting to fall apart in some ways, but I'm hesitant to spend 200 more for a newer set of headphones.
All your reasoning is solid but for one thing, you can only get the 6xx in North America, if you try to buy them from Europe the price to performance goes completly away and the hd 490 become a much more "affordable" option.
Which of the 3 has the best bass? I'm looking for a wired headphone that has low impedance for use with mobiles and MP4 players, detailed but with the awesome bass to boot.
We don't need Utopia, we don't need Susvara, we don't need AB1266, we don't need LCD5 and definitely not He-1. We just need the HD600, once and for all.
@@ixoye56 this is why so many are living in poverty nowadays, consumers just need to be a little bit wiser. Audio is for enjoyment, not for competition. Peace ✌🏼
As someone who mix on 6xx, I really wanna try a pair of 490 to see how it translates, knowing well 6xx how they respond and how well they behave with dynamics, even tho I think they're meant to be heard somewhat loud. Im really curious, thanks for the review/opinion
I've been mixing with headphones for 2 years for local problems I have 8 different models (the classics) the 490 has so many advantages, the weight, comfort, stereo image, frequencies which do not attack while being straight . for me it's the best
I didn't much care for the 6xx until I got a balanced Schiit Stack. ( Modius/Midgard) and the 5.5w definitely woke the 'phones up. Been wearing them daily for a few months now.
I purchased the original HD 660s and was wondering if the HD 490 is as detailed as that, less or more, I'm just wondering if it's an upgrade, downgrade or sidegrade, would you say the resolution on par?
Comparing the 6xx to these, it probably doesn’t come down as much to subjectivity as it does to what these headphones were designed to be used for. Bearing the “pro” marque, the HD 490 Pro having such tuning makes perfect sense.
I have a differing opinion: If you like the Sennheiser HD 600 series, get the FiiO FT3. The sound is very Sennheiser-like with better bass/treble extension and sound stage. It also comes better equipped. It sounds immensely good on tubes.
This is incredibly false. The FT3 has sucked-out upper mids and ear-stabbing treble. And their resolution and ability to track transient dynamics is dogshit by comparison.
I've read that many people complain about the lettering in the earcups touching their ears, I hate when that happens so I haven't dared to order them without trying them on first.
Since Maxwell was so tight on my head I could hear my own heartbeat… I am looking for something else. Probably less sealing! Would love wireless but everything is closed. So next thing is something wired to maybe run of a dualsense or with usb c. This looks interesting. Would it be ok for games immersion and music? Not looking for footsteps only headphone. Looking for comfort!
I think that the design matters the most for 490pro, being a headphone designed for mixing or professional use, they can fold and does have a carrying case for premium package version, thus making them as portable as a xm5, so it is good if you need to travel with 560 ish quality sound, but I still find them to be overpriced, a 300-350 price for package with case would be more acceptable
NDH-30 or HD490? That’s my question. As I read they have similar drivers. Are they also similar tuned? The HD490 has a lot more comfort and things to offer so I tend to the HD490 without having listened to it yet. But in the end it all comes down to the sound. So which one is better? If they are similar in sound I would go for the Hd490 now. So please help!
@@freundchenrecords I was in the same situation as you and tried both side by side. The only thing thats better with the NDH is bass extension and quantity. Everything else, including comfort was better with the 490. The NDH also has 2 big flaws imho. They have a big dip at around 11k hz making them sound dull and, more importantly, they change how they sound depending on how you wear them. Your ears have to be dead center for the best sound. Problem is, you likely put them on slightly different each time or they might shift over time while you wear them. I returned the NDH and im very happy with the 490. fyi - i also own the 560s and 600 and tried and returned 650 and 660s2. Out of them all, the NDH had the best bass, the 600 the best mids and the 490 the best highs. Forgot to mention: I only use the mixing (cloth) pads as they sound more neutral to me. Hope that heps.
@@tyansathanks for your answer. And yes, I‘ve also experienced that the NdH-30 sounds different when sitting differently on my head. I also didn’t like that the cable is on the right side and that they only put a 3m cable in the box. The carrying case is also a joke. For 630 Euro you can expect more. So I sent them back. BUT: I really liked the sound. Is the bass extension so much better on the NDh-30? And: I read that there’s a 4kz dip on the HD490. Do the vocals really sound nasal? What I really like from the reviews on the Hd490 is the weight and the comfort and that I‘m able to choose where to put the cable in. The carrying case and the software is also a great addition. Did you try the software? To choose between the different sound areas to test your track seems great to me. I‘m really more into the Hd490 but I wasn’t able to listen to them, yet.Don’t wanna do a mistake.
The bass extension is noticeable but not substantial. I have done own measurements of around 90 headphones using modified in ear mics. On my head and ears, the difference between the NDH and 490 (mixing pads) is +-2db up to 5k hz apart ftom the bass that measures 4db more at 30hz. So they are nearly identical (when worn correctly) That means that on my ears there was no 4k hz dip. Compared to my 600 the 490 is +-2db up to 8k hz but has a small dip of 4db at around 3k hz. Again, this is noticable but not substantial. They do not sound nasal to me. I tried the software but did not like any of the available presets. Since you seem to live in the eu, you could just try the 490 and refund if you dont like them within 14 days and in some shops even after that. Do not activate the software until you are sure to keep the headphones. Otherwise the refund might get denied. You sound like you settled for the 490 anyways, so go for it!@@freundchenrecords
With a 6XX and an 800s at my disposal, I’m pleased to say that I think I’m getting the best of both worlds. That being said, my wallet feels particularly light…
I’d like to see a Headphone Show cookbook. What’s a good recipe at $500 for a good all-around headphone and amp? It’d be a fun video if you put together some favorite combinations for some scenarios and price points.
Just got mine. While working on a song my ears started to go all weird, like the feeling of taking off in a plane it's worrying if these are to be used everyday.
What would be the most 6xx-like closed back headphone out there? In da house 6xx anyday everyday but I'd love to have similarly tuned (as "neutral" as possible) closed ones for the commute. Cheers!
Honestly, if you're this particular about sound, even the bleedthrough from closed-backs will ruin it. If you insist, you'll need something with noise cancelling, and then even getting decent sound is a challenge, never mind specific tuning.
I own HD25 Special Edition (velour pads) and HD650. Both are very similar in tone; HD25 has slightly more bass and smaller stage but not too different otherwise. HD25 cons are: not as comfortable, price is around $200 and its on-ear, but I think its a great neutral/closed/portable option. Just my 2 cents.
@@Nick-s-f I have HD25s as well, but they are sound wise quite different from 6xx. Also the confort especially with glasses is pretty horrible. Otherwise a fine old classic as well 😅
Hey, maybe sennheiser is developing new drivers for the next level in their audiophile headphone lineup. They can only use the HD58x drivers for so long 😅
An excessive amount of mid bass above 200hz will intrude into the midrange, for which our ears are significantly less sensitive to. Same goes for less treble energy than the midrange. The 650 has both. This masking of other frequencies is described as vailed sounding.
TLDR was pretty much spot on. Been wearing my 490 since Wednesday, and I love it so much more than I did the 6XX. Comfort firstly; on my big ass head I literally could not wear the 6 series cans for more than 30 minutes without getting headaches from the clamp force (even after bending the metal). I can wear these for 6+ hours no problem. Yes the vocals on the 6 series are better, but the veil is removed on the 490, and the better bass adds so much enjoyment. I honestly think these punch so far above their price. Imaging, soundstage, detail are all great. To me they're almost like a mini, slightly muddier 800S with INSANE comfort for $400. I love these and def will keep them in the collection. I've worn these more than my Calderas this week haha so if that says anything
Well, I have the Vali 2++ with GE 5670 5-star red tube and Drop 58x phones. Impeccable sound for the money. The Vali 3 should be even better with 100 volts on the plate.
I prefer the 6XX to the 600. If you get Dekoni Velour pads for it it doesn't come with the foam insert over the driver so you can literally lift some of that veil.
I had the 490 Pro briefly and I returned it for a discounted 660S2. The 490 Pro is more correct but less fun sounding. With the fabric mixer pads they were very similar to the 560S/400 Pro if you have ever heard those. At least to my ears. I did not love the sound of the velour producer pads because they pushed vocals back. The 660S2 is much less spacious but more pleasant in my opinion. Vocals are more direct and the bass hits a little harder despite worse extension because there is a bigger hump in the mid-bass I think. From memory, the 660S2 has better resolution than the 490 Pro and just sounded more immersive despite the smaller soundstage. I returned the 490 Pro because I found it very uncomfortable. The dust covers are a rough threaded material with raised L and R lettering that touched and irritated my ears. I also couldn’t quite get them to sit on my head in a way where I would forget about them like I can with the 660S2. I preferred the fabric mixer pads to the velour producer pads because they have much better clarity and were more similar to the 560S that I was switching from, but those are also uncomfortable. I have no comfort issues with the 660S2 and vastly prefer its ergonomics, but it sounds like I am in the minority. The 490 Pro or NDH 30 are likely better professional tools than the 660S2 but the 490 Pro definitely didn’t wow me the way the 660S2 did. It just felt like a moderately improved 560S with better build quality for over double the price with bad ergonomics sprinkled on top.
Wow thx i didnt expect that much of a in depth answer lol, got the 660s2 too and still enjoy them was just curious how that new one can compete, thx for the answer !@@c-samleystudios1573
I’ve been using my 650s for 13 years and I so wanted these to be something new I could buy lol. But all the reviews have convinced me it’s not really worth it in my case. Still waiting for that elusive upgrade I guess. I want to give you my money, Sennheiser, where’s the true successor for 650/6xx lovers? Definitely ain’t the 660…
This headphone is definitely on my radar just wanna know if it's any better than my modded and pad swapped hd650 that's my main gaming cans next to my LCD2's when I'm around other people I use a DT177x GO for l like switch and my laptop and quest 3 VR forays
When I think detail I think resolution/ clarity. How much of each element I can "observe". Like listening through my AIAIAI Wireless +, which I will be selling because they greatly disappoint me, I always feel like I am losing perception of the audio.
I own the 400 Pro Studio Reference and they sound awesome through my IFI Zen Dac/Amp version 2. They are great for their price at $250.00. You listen to good mastered music like Rush and Led Zepplin is sound like your IN the studio. Anything lossless or Flac audio they just kick azz!
There's only so much they can do with a pair of headphones delivering sound to our ears. There has already been made a headphone for all genres and tastes soundwise. Now it's just down to releasing new ones cause people likes new stuff and companies needs money. Nothing wrong with that, just saying. Better looks, comfort maybe, can still improve, but sound... Whatever your'e after it has already been made and then you can add eq to that and even more is covered for you with less headphones you have to buy.
@@imabeliever85 I am just quoting mastering engineer Justin Coletti. Personally I havn't listen to 6XX. I own 600 which are most popular among music producers/mixing engineers and seem to be most true to the source
@@KonradSkowronski I don’t know what to say about that but I can definitely tell the difference, now my 650 is put away in a cabinet and now I exclusively listen to my 6XX and 600 and M4
To me it looks like the graphs in 9:49 do not match. on the upper graph it looks like the midrange is out of the preference band but below it is still inside. it looks like the preference band was moved to much up/down in one of the charts.
I had the 490 Pro briefly and I returned it for a discounted 660S2. The 490 Pro is more correct but less fun sounding. With the fabric mixer pads they were very similar to the 560S/400 Pro if you have ever heard those. At least to my ears. I did not love the sound of the velour producer pads because they pushed vocals back. The 660S2 is much less spacious but more pleasant in my opinion. Vocals are more direct and the bass hits a little harder despite worse extension because there is a bigger hump in the mid-bass I think. From memory, the 660S2 has better resolution than the 490 Pro and just sounded more immersive despite the smaller soundstage. I returned the 490 Pro because I found it very uncomfortable. The dust covers are a rough threaded material with raised L and R lettering that touched and irritated my ears. I also couldn’t quite get them to sit on my head in a way where I would forget about them like I can with the 660S2. I preferred the fabric mixer pads to the velour producer pads because they have much better clarity and were more similar to the 560S that I was switching from, but those are also uncomfortable. I have no comfort issues with the 660S2 and vastly prefer its ergonomics, but it sounds like I am in the minority. The 490 Pro or NDH 30 are likely better professional tools than the 660S2 but the 490 Pro definitely didn’t wow me the way the 660S2 did. It just felt like a moderately improved 560S with better build quality for over double the price with bad ergonomics sprinkled on top.
I hate the 4 pin mini xlr connection with a passion - if you are gonna use it, at least provide a range of replacement cables. 4 pin mini xlr cables are impossible to find
I returned it after two weeks. I liked the design, comfort, build quality, even the included cable. The overall sound signature was good. But at the end of the day, the lack of resolution/detail/texture bothered me. But I believe HD 490 Pro will appear to its target market, the sound engineers. For example, I think HD 490 Pro will be a good headphone when editing TH-cam videos because the sound is accurate and honest and easy on ears.
The tiny bit of coiling might ( _might_ ) help with 2 things.
1. Shock absorption to reduce physical sound transmission through the cable
2. Cable Strain/ Positioning
The coil is just annoying to me. It lays right on my collar bone and drags when I turn my head. I bought a Hart audio cable to replace it and it's been great.
I have a feeling that there was a "dream team" of engineers in sennheiser from mid 90s to mid 2000s ish. After that, it's just small tweaking here and there.
They understood that frequency response and comfort/build are the only thing that matters
Most of it's just comfort and tuning these days to appeal to casuals. Quantifiable technical capability should really be the starting point when looking at the price of a product.
@@1337wafflezzLolwhat? The HD600 series (minus the new 660 models, which use the inferior 150 ohm driver) is renowned for not only its incredible tonality, but it's class-leading distortion figures from the midrange up (everyone knows the bass is a bit woolly) and its ability to dig deep into the recording and pull out tons of small details and dynamics that bring the recording to life.
FR and confort are _not_ the only things that matter unless you're floundering about in mid-fi purgatory, because tone and comfort are the best you can hope for in that range.
@@fwabble Only when taken in proper context, i.e. _NOT_ the absurd 2Vrms SINAD that paid-off hacks like Amir at AudioScienceReview use, because that signal doesn't exist anywhere within the range of listening, and is a single data point isolated from an entire suite of very relevant data that is being erroneously omitted.
@@alondite215What? Who does it consistently better?
I have 6xx and 560s...for some reason I use 560s all the time, I think comfort is really important if you have to wear headphones for many hours.
Same, the 600 series tend to make the driver touch my ears.
@@drizzlydr4keGet ZMF pads, that is not a problem anymore.
Hi me too, have those headphones but I fitted the custom cans bass mod and helps the bass at the lower end . Regards mark
@@drizzlydr4ke I second getting the ZMF pads (suede perforated). the 6xx were unbearable to wear for me with stock pads once my ears started touching the driver but I got the ZMF pads and that problem is gone forever.
Comfort is the main reason why I switched back to my TYGR 300 R from the HD 490 Pro.
I personally enjoy the 490 pro for gaming, with the mixing pad.
What dac do you use for theese headphones. And what games do you play?
@@Justmakesomenoiz I use the Focusrite Scarlett 2i2 4th gen, and the top 3 games I play: Rainbow six siege, Overwatch and Rocket League (that game doesn't require sound like the other two).
@@TmaterShowdo you need a dac to power this? I just wanted it for gaming and music too.
you should. bigger the cup=more bass you can "afford'" without masking mids...
these are smaller than 600 series but more bassy.. so you enjoy less bassy mixig pads.
I sold my HD600 on the first day I received the HD490 PRO. My preference is the mixing pads 100%.
I love my HD600 for listening. Are these really an upgrade?
@@OrganTheGrinder it surely depends on personal tastes. I would say that HD600 sounds more intimate and full, and Hd490 is definitely more clear and give you more sense of space
I own both the 560S and the 490 Pro. I have to say, despite the memory foam pads of the 490 Pro, the 560S is more comfortable than the 490. The 560S is the only headphones that I can completely forget are on my head. That doesn't happen with the 490 Pro. After a while of wearing the 490 Pros, I have to remove them.
What about the sound?
Absolutely agree
@@ChrisKeymanI found them very similar to my 400 Pros which are apparently identical to the 560S, but I think they are a little different or at least have better quality control. The 400 Pro/560S sound like a middle ground between the two 490 Pro pads. There may have been an improvement in the tinny sound of the 560S, but I was so distracted by the comfort issues and I am going off memory, so I can’t really say for sure. I didn’t find it impressive or comfortable compared to my 400 Pro.
@@ChrisKeyman The 490 is a slightly improved version of the 560s, offering more bass and slightly better sound separation. As a music producer hobbyist, I've used them for mixing purposes. However, for casual listening or enjoying music and movies, I believe the 560 is the better choice.
Wow that’s weird. Most people are praising the comfort of the 490 pro maybe you need to let them break in for bit
I own the 560S and I find it an amazing value proposition. It's pretty much the only audio output device I own where I don't feel a need to EQ anything. Even my Blessing 2 Dusk requires some EQing to sound really good to me.
For me it's the HD600 and Sundara.. sure you could tweak it but you don't need to, it's good enough. Touch of mids for the Sundara or maybe bass or something for the 600? They're good enough as is to not bother really.
560s are great until that foam block on the drivers touches my ear and bugs the hell out of me.....
For the dt 770 pro, many complaint about the highs, but after the pads get worn out, it becomes surprisingly much more nicer. I would say its underrated in the way you think the 6xx is underrated.
I don't think the d770 is under rated. It gets a lot of praise as does the hd 6xx
I can't unsee the dracula headrest. Great review, as always. Keep up the great work!
Hi DMS, another great video, the 490 is well designed and good build quality and of course with the plus version with a great carrying case with extra cable . I have 6xx with custom cans bass mod , helps with bass at lower end and fitted thicker pads too . I also like and own the Hd560s but for some reason the 560 in the Uk is about £130 , I don’t understand why in the Us is around $200 headphone compared but compare to the 6xx is the same price in but its a better build better cable . Regards mark
your definition of term detailed very well said ... that is what I have come to define the term ... just never knew how to describe it so eloquently 😂🙏
I own 598, 560S, 6XX, 660S and 660S2. I also have HD800S. Each has something special but I'm in love with 660S2. It brings the 600 series magic with a deeper view into the music. They just sound more like live music. They can now be found for a more reasonable price. They bring me a lot of joy. I also own Hifiman HE1000 SE. Incredible headphones but sometimes (a lot of times) the Sennheisers are just what the doctor ordered. 😁 Don't think I'll be adding the 490 to my collection. Doesn't sound like they're beating anything I already own.
Ugh. I couldn't listen to the 660 for more than like 10 minutes before needing to rip them off my head because of how God awful the upper mids were. And they're less resolving and less dynamic than the 600/650 on top of having worse tone because that 150 ohm driver is a piece of shit compared to the 300 ohm one in the original line.
I agree. At first listen the 660S seems to have more detail/clarity but as you listen to them longer you soon realize they don't have the 600 series magic. No bass and very shouty. I found them fatiguing. Out of my collection they sound completely different from the rest of my Sennheisers. Now the 660S2 is a completely different story. The magic is back in full effect and they now elevate the series to the best sound yet for me. Just yesterday I decided to do some A/B comparisons with the 6XX and 560S. Yes, they are still excellent sounding cans but the second I go back to the 660S2 the elevation in sound and musicality is instantly heard. 660S2 for the win at the right price. 🙂
@@alondite215 I agree with you, on these awful upper mids. All 600 series headphones have them. I still own the 6XX, but I always EQ the upper mids down a notch, otherwise the piano and violin will just pierce through my ears.
He is talking about the S2. And no, the 650 is not more resolving than the 660S2.@@alondite215
and this is why i own a lokius.
every single pair of cans i own are perfect. cause i have 6 bands to adjust and when anything is slightly off, i can make it right as rain…
after i get things tuned in, i can then apply those same values on my digital EQs
we really should bring back the physical EQ…
Loki has been very helpful for me! It's only 4 but good enough for me
I am interested in 490 for travel. Single sided cord that is adjustable and cups that have a little more movement making them a lot easier to wear around your neck.
Obviously not good for airplanes but general walking around / work.
I'm glad I went with the HD560s, it's an amazing headphone that I got for a discount...the soundstage, immersion, sound and imaging is really good, I'll always keep this headphone till I die because it's just a good-all-rounder, everything sounds good thanks to that neutral and flat sound. I suggest this for first timers.
Excelent review, comparison and also nice voice. Keep up the good work man, subscribed!
Thank you for the review, objective as always. I’ll stick to both my HD6XX and HD560S for now.
I'm keeping my 21 years old HD600's. Just sayin'.
Great review DMS,so good in fact I just ordered a set after owning the hd600 set for the better part of three years. I put the ZMF perforated suede pads on and did the full on Custom Cans Copper mod . Both upgraded I highly recommend. The hd490 pro looked just interesting enough in the uppers to help my hearing which is starting to fade in the treble range being I am 65. And the number one point that sold me….fit and comfort, especially for long listening sessions. The Sennheiser sound with a modern twist and all day comfort…..what’s not to like…?
4:08 - FOR SUPER EARTH!
Loved your review, like always. If you're in Germany again or see it at other audio shows try out the "Camerton Binom ER". Would love to hear your opinion on it. Also I'd like a video to get a status update to the omega. Please bring it to munich high end, if you're going there.
Love the helldivers in the background
560S is on sale atm, noticed it on Amazon for 139€ (199€ RRP). Sounds like a nice deal.
HiFiMan HE400SE is better for cheaper.
@@alondite215 I have the HE400S, how is that different from the 400SE?
Been using the 560s for 2 years now, it’s so worth it but make sure they break in cuz they clamp hard at first
Thanks for the great content, as all was. What kind of microphone are you using? Love the sound, thanks.
Well DMS I think you and I probably agree on the fact that the 6XX is the best headphone. I have an Atrium which i think objectively sounds better than the 6XX, however, I am not going to wear the Atrium literally all day, the 6XX is just a more comfortable headphone to wear and use for everyday purposes, it's (relatively) cheap overall and very very cheap in comparison to something like the Atrium, even though I love my atriums, it's my favorite headphone for listening to music in fact, but it does cost 2500$.
I think that this is pretty much the highest form of compliment you could possibly give to a headphone, when considering everything, price, comfort, tuning, etc.
So yeah there are better sounding headphones than the 6xx imo, but overall when taking everything into consideration, there is probably nothing better out there for me personally either.
Good review as always, the 490 seems like a good headphone and there are people out there that will definitely enjoy it, however most recent sennheiser headphones just seem harder to recommend because they have so many legendary / great headphones out there already at a lower price than the most recent models.
The 600/650. The best headphone at just being a good headphone. Easy to listen to, easy to drive, comfortable, neutral tuning, indestructible. Not the best sounding out there, and my Sundara bests it while staying fairly neutral.. but it's not massively different, really, in the grand scheme of audio devices most people listen to. It gets you 90% of the way there from everything else.
that little coil in the cable would actually be so nice, my cable gets caught every now and then and it ends up pulling on the headphone, but that would help alleviate that, i want a cable like that now
Every DMS video is a review for 6xx..😅😅
Me thinks he likes the HD 6XX...👀
Well serveral years later he will put 6XX into C tier. I still remember him praising the NDH20 years ago😅😅
Because he's a hack who says whatever he's paid to say.
The best audio advice always comes from the old, grizzled audiophiles who've been around the block a few dozen times and have heard basically everything there is to hear, on top of probably making some of their own gear. Stay away from basically any TH-cam audio guy and get your advice from a dedicated audio community of the aforementioned grizzled audiophile veterans.
@@Ryan_3gRi That makes ZERO sense, he's been talking about how much he's loved 6XX/650 for literally over 7 years now LOL.
@@ZWortek Fair. His opinion about headphones changes a lot but the hd6xx stays really strong😅
I own the HD-6xx and love it as one of 2 of my go-to headphones. (Sundara 2020 version is my other). Happy listening! 😊👍🎶
I have both (490 and 6XX). You mentioned “sharp” briefly but not in details, I define sharp as fast transient, and I find the 490 Pro is much faster and punchier than the 6XX, the difference it’s like sitting in the front row vs the middle row. IMO, this is one of the differences.
If you EQ them both to Harman the 490 sounds just as mushy and rounded than 6XX, but timbre for example remains worse.
@@hartyewh1 I still feel 490 has more timbre, because of faster drivers and more presence. BTW, I find harman target too much around 1-2kHz region, I always EQ it down a bit.
@@dc99yt Yeah, sure the target itself is just that, but to compare headphones I find it necessary to bring the FR's as close as I can since tuning influences all aspects of sound. I don't notice any benefits for the 490 over 6XX except the tiniest of benefit in bass dynamics at the cost of depth and weight. 6XX is a warm and full bodied headphone while 490 is much leaner, but it is just a tuning difference and not a technical capability as far as I can tell while 6XX (or 600) has such lovely timbre that most headphones ten times the price don't outperform.
@@hartyewh1 I agree. That’s why I’ve decided to keep the 490 Pro, I see it as a different headphone, it doesn’t replace my 6XX. But with some Hi-Res recordings that have a warm tone and tones of details and presence, the 490 is a better choice. Also on the 6XX, I do not like the two-blob presentation just outside your ears when I’m just trying to relax.
I think the small section of coiled cable is not so much for length as it would be for if you get cable snagged on something it does not jerk your head as much or unplug the cable/damage port
Hi, great video would you say that this over the HD560s are a considerate upgrade? I have the DX3 pro+ and thinking to upgrading to these but the fact that they have the same driver as my 560s is keeping me back from doing it.
Thanks for the video and all answers are as any recommendation is appreciated
Was defo waiting on this from a fellow 6xx enjoyer
I have hd590 open back set. Is this 490 better than 590.
I want them purely for comfort. Im debating between these and the 660s2, but i don't lovecthe fit of the 6xx so if the 660 is the same as that, id lean tiward the 490.
Which one did you end up getting?
@@W1LLi4m_ neither one yet, I have the akg k712 pro and it's so comfy that it's hard to bite the bullet and spend money on another pair. But if I sell my 6xxs I could maybe justify it. I'll try to come back and let you know if I get them.
@@chillpengeru thanks!
@@W1LLi4m_ If you still are interested, i own both 650 and 490 pro, and while i really like the sound of 650, even after couple years of use they were uncomfortable for me, so i made the jump to 490 and they are super comfy
Detail is transient response. How well do the guitars, for example, poke out of the mix as opposed to being smeared across the audio spectrum. Do the lead instruments sound like a mid-frequency wash or like several instruments playing simultaneously?
What's the little round thing on the grill on each cup on your 6XX? What does it do? It would be cool if you made another mod video covering things you've tried
I was waiting for your take on this one . I do believe Andrew likes this one but I don't know if he had any preference . I'm torn between the 490 Pro or Sony's open back that came out last year. Same price I believe . Nice review as always and thank you
These or the DT 1990 pro? For gaming.
These are better in terms of sound and comfort imo.
@@User-ys7cb Did you compare directly?
@@TaeglicheNarzisst Yes, of course. I have returned to closed-backs though, more specifically the DT 770 Pro X Limited Edition. But I might switch to the MMX 330. An open-back headset with a good microphone can be useful.
Hi! As you asked for suggestions, i would love to see a video on the DALI IO-12. I bought it and i already had the Focal Bathys, i can say it is as impressive as the Bathys, while sounding REALLY different. A good companion for different moments. I definitly think you should test it.
To be complete, a video on the other high end Bluetooth headphone The T+A Solitaire T would be great. I didn't hear it yet, but it seems promising.
Helldivers in the background? It is my duty as a super citizen to like this video.
I bought the 6XX a month ago after owning PC38X, Sundara, Edition XS, Focal Elegia, and MM-100 and I think they're pretty incredible. I wish I would have purchased the 6XX over the Sundara back in 2020 because they're just better in a lot of ways IMO. Still have the others and love the Edition XS and MM-100 (Elegia is my closed back option for loud environments) but it's really impressive how good the 6XX for $180 and they're super comfortable. Also, I blame you, DMS, for consistently talking about 6XX because it made me feel like I still had to buy them even though I was purchasing much more expensive headphones LOL.
How do they hold up to Elegia?
@@mitchhifi9192 IMO, the stock FR tuning of the Elegia without EQ is really awful. Oratory's EQ profile makes them sound really good for a closed-back. I still prefer the 6XX to them because they're open-back, and that's my preference, but I love them as closed-backs with EQ and enjoy them a ton. I will also say that the 6XX has some interesting qualities in the mids and treble that none of my other headphones have which is part of why I wish I would have bought them years ago.
WHICH IS BETTER, THE SUNDARA OR THE mm-100?
@@rionvaletaala4666
TLDR; MM-100 if you EQ
MM-100 stock FR probably isn't as good as the Sundara, but with EQ I prefer them to the Sundara with or without EQ. Stock Sundara does sound pretty good, especially for the price, and has some unique properties to it, but don't necessarily improve that much with EQ. The Edition XS and 6XX are fantastic and only require a simple bass shelf, but the MM-100 and Elegia require quite a bit more EQ, but also improve substantially.
I prefer the build quality of the MM-100 to the Sundara, it's just straight up a better-built headphone.
Edition XS IMO is just better than Sundara in every single way so I just think that's a pure upgrade. The MM-100 and Sundara do have some different qualities and the MM-100 aren't as wide in soundstage but there is a lot of music I listen to where there is this closeness/detail retrieval thing that happens in the mix which I love.
Also, I think the Sundara are absolutely garbage headphones for gaming, they had the worst imaging or directional accuracy I've used in a decent headphone. I will not keep a headphone that sounds and performs like shit in games, so all the headphones I have right now I don't feel the need to take off or switch when I start gaming at night.
I own PC38X and was wondering if it would be worth buying 560 or 6XX. What are your thoughts?
So this chassis looks like a combo of the momentum and the now dead PCX line. And I really only have on question. Do these have angled drivers like 500 line?
i think I've gotten to a point with my HD6XX where it is a sound signature that I am comfortable with. It's what I prefer to listen to so I won't be upgrading but from a purely technical stand point I can agree that maybe the 490 definitely has some characteristics that I may enjoy more. but Im happy where I am.
So these are twice the price of the HD 599 pair I have. How do these compare to those, I wonder? I'm pretty happy with the 599's but they're like 7 years old and starting to fall apart in some ways, but I'm hesitant to spend 200 more for a newer set of headphones.
All your reasoning is solid but for one thing, you can only get the 6xx in North America, if you try to buy them from Europe the price to performance goes completly away and the hd 490 become a much more "affordable" option.
Which of the 3 has the best bass? I'm looking for a wired headphone that has low impedance for use with mobiles and MP4 players, detailed but with the awesome bass to boot.
Has the same driver as the 560s so why so much more expensive ? We need something new not just copies of existing things slightly modded....
does it have the plastic treble like 560s?
Kinda
@@CammyFiwell that's disappointing
560s is overrated
The graph with the producer pads looks real impressive.
Is the pads softer than even Sony MDR 1A? they and Sony MV1 are so soft and comfortable man.
What fo you think of the 6xx vs 560s when it comes to classical music cd quality, recordings from the late 50s up to the 80s_ Thanks
as far as i know 650 and 660S2 are great for vintage recordings
but 650 produced before 2019. 650 quality of new items now is bad.
We don't need Utopia, we don't need Susvara, we don't need AB1266, we don't need LCD5 and definitely not He-1. We just need the HD600, once and for all.
Unless you have the money to spend on high end systems then you will find hd600 has no competition with them😂
I agree, but audiophiles need to brag and spend money
We most definitely need all of the headphones that you mentioned. If all we had was the HD600 we’d live in an incredibly boring world.
@@ixoye56 this is why so many are living in poverty nowadays, consumers just need to be a little bit wiser. Audio is for enjoyment, not for competition. Peace ✌🏼
@kevintj604 Boom . You said it and I concur
@DMS, those frames you're sporting are dope! Care to drop a link where we can get a pair?
They might be from a place without an online store. Mine are.
As someone who mix on 6xx, I really wanna try a pair of 490 to see how it translates, knowing well 6xx how they respond and how well they behave with dynamics, even tho I think they're meant to be heard somewhat loud. Im really curious, thanks for the review/opinion
I've been mixing with headphones for 2 years for local problems I have 8 different models (the classics) the 490 has so many advantages, the weight, comfort, stereo image, frequencies which do not attack while being straight . for me it's the best
I didn't much care for the 6xx until I got a balanced Schiit Stack. ( Modius/Midgard) and the 5.5w definitely woke the 'phones up. Been wearing them daily for a few months now.
I purchased the original HD 660s and was wondering if the HD 490 is as detailed as that, less or more, I'm just wondering if it's an upgrade, downgrade or sidegrade, would you say the resolution on par?
How do they compare to the 660S? And by extension the 660S 2, but I have the OG 660S.
you'll never enjoy smaller cup headphones if you expirienced 600 series.
490 are TOO small for the bass they have put in there.
DMS's voice is getting noticeably deeper
he might of swallowed a producer pad! 😁
did his balls finally drop? sorry...I had to.
Will the hd490 pro sound good with a budget amp/dac like smsl c 200 or do they need a high end source to sound good?
as someone with 560s and 600, i'm probably gonna skip these. thanks D!
I also own the 560s, is getting the 600 worth it? And would I have to get a new Amp if I already have a dongle or should I be okay?
Comparing the 6xx to these, it probably doesn’t come down as much to subjectivity as it does to what these headphones were designed to be used for. Bearing the “pro” marque, the HD 490 Pro having such tuning makes perfect sense.
I have a differing opinion:
If you like the Sennheiser HD 600 series, get the FiiO FT3. The sound is very Sennheiser-like with better bass/treble extension and sound stage. It also comes better equipped. It sounds immensely good on tubes.
This is incredibly false. The FT3 has sucked-out upper mids and ear-stabbing treble. And their resolution and ability to track transient dynamics is dogshit by comparison.
How is it HD 490 vs HD 600?
Sivga 023 is for me better than 660s (I dont know about 660s2). Monolith 1070 with velur pads are also pretty cool.
I've read that many people complain about the lettering in the earcups touching their ears, I hate when that happens so I haven't dared to order them without trying them on first.
Since Maxwell was so tight on my head I could hear my own heartbeat… I am looking for something else. Probably less sealing! Would love wireless but everything is closed.
So next thing is something wired to maybe run of a dualsense or with usb c.
This looks interesting. Would it be ok for games immersion and music? Not looking for footsteps only headphone. Looking for comfort!
This makes me feel better about my 560s. I’ve made better mixes in Phillips sph though. $40 and great for gaming.
I think that the design matters the most for 490pro, being a headphone designed for mixing or professional use, they can fold and does have a carrying case for premium package version, thus making them as portable as a xm5, so it is good if you need to travel with 560 ish quality sound, but I still find them to be overpriced, a 300-350 price for package with case would be more acceptable
NDH-30 or HD490? That’s my question. As I read they have similar drivers. Are they also similar tuned? The HD490 has a lot more comfort and things to offer so I tend to the HD490 without having listened to it yet. But in the end it all comes down to the sound. So which one is better? If they are similar in sound I would go for the Hd490 now. So please help!
Anyone?
@@freundchenrecords I was in the same situation as you and tried both side by side. The only thing thats better with the NDH is bass extension and quantity. Everything else, including comfort was better with the 490. The NDH also has 2 big flaws imho. They have a big dip at around 11k hz making them sound dull and, more importantly, they change how they sound depending on how you wear them. Your ears have to be dead center for the best sound. Problem is, you likely put them on slightly different each time or they might shift over time while you wear them. I returned the NDH and im very happy with the 490. fyi - i also own the 560s and 600 and tried and returned 650 and 660s2. Out of them all, the NDH had the best bass, the 600 the best mids and the 490 the best highs. Forgot to mention: I only use the mixing (cloth) pads as they sound more neutral to me. Hope that heps.
@@tyansathanks for your answer. And yes, I‘ve also experienced that the NdH-30 sounds different when sitting differently on my head. I also didn’t like that the cable is on the right side and that they only put a 3m cable in the box. The carrying case is also a joke. For 630 Euro you can expect more. So I sent them back.
BUT: I really liked the sound. Is the bass extension so much better on the NDh-30?
And: I read that there’s a 4kz dip on the HD490. Do the vocals really sound nasal?
What I really like from the reviews on the Hd490 is the weight and the comfort and that I‘m able to choose where to put the cable in. The carrying case and the software is also a great addition.
Did you try the software? To choose between the different sound areas to test your track seems great to me.
I‘m really more into the Hd490 but I wasn’t able to listen to them, yet.Don’t wanna do a mistake.
The bass extension is noticeable but not substantial. I have done own measurements of around 90 headphones using modified in ear mics. On my head and ears, the difference between the NDH and 490 (mixing pads) is +-2db up to 5k hz apart ftom the bass that measures 4db more at 30hz. So they are nearly identical (when worn correctly) That means that on my ears there was no 4k hz dip. Compared to my 600 the 490 is +-2db up to 8k hz but has a small dip of 4db at around 3k hz. Again, this is noticable but not substantial. They do not sound nasal to me. I tried the software but did not like any of the available presets. Since you seem to live in the eu, you could just try the 490 and refund if you dont like them within 14 days and in some shops even after that. Do not activate the software until you are sure to keep the headphones. Otherwise the refund might get denied. You sound like you settled for the 490 anyways, so go for it!@@freundchenrecords
@@tyansa thanks for your answer. I‘ll give them a try.
With a 6XX and an 800s at my disposal, I’m pleased to say that I think I’m getting the best of both worlds. That being said, my wallet feels particularly light…
I’d like to see a Headphone Show cookbook. What’s a good recipe at $500 for a good all-around headphone and amp? It’d be a fun video if you put together some favorite combinations for some scenarios and price points.
please: Neumann Ndh30 review
Just got mine. While working on a song my ears started to go all weird, like the feeling of taking off in a plane it's worrying if these are to be used everyday.
How do you feel about them? A day later?
What would be the most 6xx-like closed back headphone out there? In da house 6xx anyday everyday but I'd love to have similarly tuned (as "neutral" as possible) closed ones for the commute. Cheers!
Honestly, if you're this particular about sound, even the bleedthrough from closed-backs will ruin it. If you insist, you'll need something with noise cancelling, and then even getting decent sound is a challenge, never mind specific tuning.
I own HD25 Special Edition (velour pads) and HD650. Both are very similar in tone; HD25 has slightly more bass and smaller stage but not too different otherwise. HD25 cons are: not as comfortable, price is around $200 and its on-ear, but I think its a great neutral/closed/portable option. Just my 2 cents.
@@Nick-s-f I have HD25s as well, but they are sound wise quite different from 6xx. Also the confort especially with glasses is pretty horrible. Otherwise a fine old classic as well 😅
Hey, maybe sennheiser is developing new drivers for the next level in their audiophile headphone lineup. They can only use the HD58x drivers for so long 😅
this might sound like broken, but how it was in comparison with hd650?
I understand the meaning of the word “veiled”, but can you please clarify what you mean in the context of sound/the headphones themselves? Thanks.
An excessive amount of mid bass above 200hz will intrude into the midrange, for which our ears are significantly less sensitive to. Same goes for less treble energy than the midrange. The 650 has both. This masking of other frequencies is described as vailed sounding.
@@En_Joshi-Godrez Thank you 👍🏻
Pretty sure veiled meant more lacking in higher treble, like an old speaker in a way.
TLDR was pretty much spot on. Been wearing my 490 since Wednesday, and I love it so much more than I did the 6XX. Comfort firstly; on my big ass head I literally could not wear the 6 series cans for more than 30 minutes without getting headaches from the clamp force (even after bending the metal). I can wear these for 6+ hours no problem. Yes the vocals on the 6 series are better, but the veil is removed on the 490, and the better bass adds so much enjoyment. I honestly think these punch so far above their price. Imaging, soundstage, detail are all great. To me they're almost like a mini, slightly muddier 800S with INSANE comfort for $400. I love these and def will keep them in the collection. I've worn these more than my Calderas this week haha so if that says anything
I think these repalce my HD800S for gaming
Now we just need an impression of the Schiit Vali 3
Well, I have the Vali 2++ with GE 5670 5-star red tube and Drop 58x phones. Impeccable sound for the money. The Vali 3 should be even better with 100 volts on the plate.
I freaken love my HD650 balanced on AUNE S17 Pro. Its just magic for me.
I prefer the 6XX to the 600. If you get Dekoni Velour pads for it it doesn't come with the foam insert over the driver so you can literally lift some of that veil.
If anyone has both can you compare the 660s2 with this 490 pro ?
I had the 490 Pro briefly and I returned it for a discounted 660S2. The 490 Pro is more correct but less fun sounding. With the fabric mixer pads they were very similar to the 560S/400 Pro if you have ever heard those. At least to my ears. I did not love the sound of the velour producer pads because they pushed vocals back. The 660S2 is much less spacious but more pleasant in my opinion. Vocals are more direct and the bass hits a little harder despite worse extension because there is a bigger hump in the mid-bass I think. From memory, the 660S2 has better resolution than the 490 Pro and just sounded more immersive despite the smaller soundstage. I returned the 490 Pro because I found it very uncomfortable. The dust covers are a rough threaded material with raised L and R lettering that touched and irritated my ears. I also couldn’t quite get them to sit on my head in a way where I would forget about them like I can with the 660S2. I preferred the fabric mixer pads to the velour producer pads because they have much better clarity and were more similar to the 560S that I was switching from, but those are also uncomfortable. I have no comfort issues with the 660S2 and vastly prefer its ergonomics, but it sounds like I am in the minority. The 490 Pro or NDH 30 are likely better professional tools than the 660S2 but the 490 Pro definitely didn’t wow me the way the 660S2 did. It just felt like a moderately improved 560S with better build quality for over double the price with bad ergonomics sprinkled on top.
Wow thx i didnt expect that much of a in depth answer lol, got the 660s2 too and still enjoy them was just curious how that new one can compete, thx for the answer !@@c-samleystudios1573
@@c-samleystudios1573Very helpful breakdown
I’ve been using my 650s for 13 years and I so wanted these to be something new I could buy lol. But all the reviews have convinced me it’s not really worth it in my case. Still waiting for that elusive upgrade I guess. I want to give you my money, Sennheiser, where’s the true successor for 650/6xx lovers? Definitely ain’t the 660…
This headphone is definitely on my radar just wanna know if it's any better than my modded and pad swapped hd650 that's my main gaming cans next to my LCD2's when I'm around other people I use a DT177x GO for l like switch and my laptop and quest 3 VR forays
When I think detail I think resolution/ clarity. How much of each element I can "observe". Like listening through my AIAIAI Wireless +, which I will be selling because they greatly disappoint me, I always feel like I am losing perception of the audio.
I wonder if they're planning to release a consumer grade version of these, similiar to the 560S vs 400 Pro
I own the 400 Pro Studio Reference and they sound awesome through my IFI Zen Dac/Amp version 2. They are great for their price at $250.00. You listen to good mastered music like Rush and Led Zepplin is sound like your IN the studio. Anything lossless or Flac audio they just kick azz!
Is the XLR 3 or 4 pin so I know if they are able to be run balanced
4 pin, they just released a balanced cable
So with the mixing pad they are a "better" 560s it seems?
Hd490 or dt1990 pro ??
I love the sound of the hd 660s2.
HD 490
Well, 6XX only cost 190USD(TAX INCLUDE), while HD490P can cost you nearly 400USD, I don't think they are in same league for best return for the cost(
If something is what it is, isn’t it also true that it isn’t what it isn’t?
This or the hd25?
I thought the 6xx was veiled and the hd600 resolved that.
veil is th good thing
mini XLR instead of that forsaken proprietary cable? by default already better than the 6XX
There's only so much they can do with a pair of headphones delivering sound to our ears. There has already been made a headphone for all genres and tastes soundwise. Now it's just down to releasing new ones cause people likes new stuff and companies needs money. Nothing wrong with that, just saying. Better looks, comfort maybe, can still improve, but sound... Whatever your'e after it has already been made and then you can add eq to that and even more is covered for you with less headphones you have to buy.
I have the 600 and the 650. I prefer the 600. But I haven’t heard the 6XX
pros say that 6XX is just a cheaper made version of 650.
@@KonradSkowronski I have all 3 now. My 6xx sounds less veiled than the 650. Definitely better.
@@imabeliever85 I am just quoting mastering engineer Justin Coletti. Personally I havn't listen to 6XX. I own 600 which are most popular among music producers/mixing engineers and seem to be most true to the source
@@KonradSkowronski I don’t know what to say about that but I can definitely tell the difference, now my 650 is put away in a cabinet and now I exclusively listen to my 6XX and 600 and M4
To me it looks like the graphs in 9:49 do not match. on the upper graph it looks like the midrange is out of the preference band but below it is still inside. it looks like the preference band was moved to much up/down in one of the charts.
Anyone here who has used both the HD 560s and 490 Pros for gaming and could state whether the 490 pros are worth upgrading from the 560s?
Hi the 490 pro is better and worth the upgrade
How about 660 s2 ?
I had the 490 Pro briefly and I returned it for a discounted 660S2. The 490 Pro is more correct but less fun sounding. With the fabric mixer pads they were very similar to the 560S/400 Pro if you have ever heard those. At least to my ears. I did not love the sound of the velour producer pads because they pushed vocals back. The 660S2 is much less spacious but more pleasant in my opinion. Vocals are more direct and the bass hits a little harder despite worse extension because there is a bigger hump in the mid-bass I think. From memory, the 660S2 has better resolution than the 490 Pro and just sounded more immersive despite the smaller soundstage. I returned the 490 Pro because I found it very uncomfortable. The dust covers are a rough threaded material with raised L and R lettering that touched and irritated my ears. I also couldn’t quite get them to sit on my head in a way where I would forget about them like I can with the 660S2. I preferred the fabric mixer pads to the velour producer pads because they have much better clarity and were more similar to the 560S that I was switching from, but those are also uncomfortable. I have no comfort issues with the 660S2 and vastly prefer its ergonomics, but it sounds like I am in the minority. The 490 Pro or NDH 30 are likely better professional tools than the 660S2 but the 490 Pro definitely didn’t wow me the way the 660S2 did. It just felt like a moderately improved 560S with better build quality for over double the price with bad ergonomics sprinkled on top.
I hate the 4 pin mini xlr connection with a passion - if you are gonna use it, at least provide a range of replacement cables. 4 pin mini xlr cables are impossible to find
I returned it after two weeks. I liked the design, comfort, build quality, even the included cable. The overall sound signature was good. But at the end of the day, the lack of resolution/detail/texture bothered me. But I believe HD 490 Pro will appear to its target market, the sound engineers. For example, I think HD 490 Pro will be a good headphone when editing TH-cam videos because the sound is accurate and honest and easy on ears.
What did you get instead?
@@W1LLi4m_ Sony MDR-MV1.
What is better for your needs?
I still using a good old MDR-7506. I preordered new MDR-M1, but I haven't received it yet.
@@klaymoon1I would love to hear your comparison of HD490 Pro to the MDR-MV1 when you've had a good listen on it.