Your HD 660S review from July 2020 stated "these are my favorite headphones in Sennheiser's line-up". In this video, however, you prefer the older HD 600. Totally cool to change minds but, unless the written reviews are updated, it takes away credibility from them.
@@ChrisStoneinator The only member from "The Headphone Show" that I usually agree with is Chrono. Metal571 was also spot-on with his sound descriptions and observations (too bad he got bored, though I don't blame him).
@@ARC87 Golden is the only one with any technical knowledge and self-consistency worth a damn IMO. DMS is a good presenter and will give anything a chance which is cool. I enjoy the content they make together (even if their lists are stupid because only half of them have actually heard each product) but this guy on his own is just a bit of a mug tbh. Don't get the appeal at all.
These TH-camrs , DMS Velour etch etch are Going where the Wind is blowing , If u need a real HD6 line Review Try to find a honest Reviewers or read forums that people have all of them . Personaly i have All of them and All of them are amazing , but some of them are better on something else, for example 600 are the best on vocals, 650 on warm smooth sound, 660s on speed imaging separation liveness and S2 are like 660s with smoother treble and more low end . Thats it all of them are amazing depending by what u like more.
It's not just louder bass. It's more nimble, more detailed. Play a song with a fast, complex bass line, and you'll hear each note individually on the S2, while the 6XX blurs them with or without EQ.
They have no idea, just use them for 10 hours and make a review. Dont trust them anymore. S2 technically are way way better than everything else on HD 6 line . And 660s also have speed, imaging, separation. This is Fact. But i understand people that like HD600 vocals and HD650 warm smooth sound, but saying that HD600 or 650 are better technically ... Noo Noo way
@@thaflybear Don't get me wrong HD600 is my big love their vocals are just amazing. All I .saying is about technical aspects of 660s and S2 that are better... Sound signature is something else.
Yeah, I need to EQ everything and it’s AWESOME that firmware upgrades have given the Qudelix 5K 20 bands or two separate 10 band parametric or graphic equalizers(one for each ear). This is great for me because my left and right ears need to be equalized differently to achieve decent imaging.
I got a package with HD 600, HD 650 and HD 660s and tried them, but to my surprise I did not like the 600 even with eq, I liked the 650 better (with eq) and the 660s the best. The only thing I wished for was the cable of the HD 600 on the HD 660s because that thing is loud and heavy.
@@kentbergstrom3020 lmao people like you are so insufferable. I got the jds atom amp 2/dac 2 stack and am not entirely impressed with the hd600. Might side-grade to the 660s2.
I have had the 600 S2 since yesterday: 6 hours of listening time in and I am really enjoying them. I pre-o ordered and once the reviews started rolling in I was concerned that I made a mistake paying a premium price for something new etc. I prefer these over the 650 that I have had for 2 years+. Back ground instruments come from behind me (my ears) much more so than the 650. Mids. still sound great, perhaps not as pronounced but I am hearing all of the other instruments more and to me that is more enjoyable. Other headphones I own, LCD-x, 650, Sundara, and Elegia.. I have a simple setup power wise: Asgard Multi-bit, and M11 Pro ESS DAP, plus few ultra-portable dongles..
@@turtlet7201 I had the Sundara's and sadly something inside the right speaker grounded out or whatever, because it blew my fucking amp. The right ear died. And then I plugged them into a typical computer sound card and they blew my soundcard. So I knew it was the headphones and not my gear. I wont touch hifiman after that. I know its probably a niche issue but still. After they already blew my shit i took them apart and the build quality on the inside was scary bad. Sure on the outside they look good but inside, total cheap garbage. MY PERSONAL OPINON is that said headphones using planar magnetic drivers suck ass. I had also bought the fostex t20rp mk3's which are "bass head" marketed headphones and there was no bass. 250hz is not bass. and there was a huge bloat at 250hz. so much that even setting -12db at 250hz on the EQ wouldn't fix the issue. it was that bad. I wont touch planar magnetic headphones because of this. not worth it. they may be great for tweeters (original use in home audio speakers/towers) but overall they suck. sure, the sundara's with +12db at 32hz would make them literally shake your head like a massager because "basshead" but overall they weren't great.
@@turtlet7201 Even the Sennheiser 560s at $140 blows the Sundara away. The Sundara 2020 drivers seemed really cheap quality that I wonder what other components in the headphones that they used cheap chinese components.
I just dont see how this can compete at that price point with other offerings like Hifiman Edition XS in the same price range and broadly offers much more
Just to the point of "HD600 with bass extension being what we all want", I am one person who objects! :P For me, a Dynamic Driver headphone needs rolled off subbass or else it sounds unnatural. Planars can pull linear or elevated subbass off, but out of all the DD headphones I tried, not a single one sounds good with linear bass.
I understand about the 3k dip, but maybe Sennheiser thinks that the loudness equalization makes the whole sound flatter and more linear by reducing this area when listening to the sound at low volumes. Personally, I actually feel like there is a dip when I listen to the 660S2, but that could just be because I usually listen to the HD 600 and my brain is tuned to it. I would like to hear your thoughts on this point.
you described so damn well why i like the 660s 2 more over my mezss 109 pro. the s2 dosent distord at all and get harsh with heavy metal. Rammstein is so damn enjoyable with these
DMS sent me here. When I watched the conclusion part of you saying this headphone is twice the price and is not better than the ones you compared, no thanks! You speak the truth! No nonsense. I have the Sennheiser HD650. This headphone appeals to a small audience.
I had both 6xx (with new pads) and 660s for some time. 6xx felt just muddy in comparison with a lack of detail and soundstage. Now considering that 6xx are basically 650s I have hard time believing you that 660S2 are better than 660s yet still worse than 650. I wonder what setup did you use to listen to and what kind of music.
I have the HD600 set and I modded mine with the Custom Cans Stage 2 Copper Mod and ZMF perforated lamb skin ear pads. The best $120 I ever spent in this hobby. They still have all the qualities that we know and love about the HD600, Improved the bass performance significantly I quality and quantity. Highly recommended.
Don't make fun of the marbled finished HD600 it is a great color. No I am not saying this because the marbled colorway looks better on people with gray hair... probably.
The 6xx can be found for less than $200 on Drop on a regular basis. Even if you factor in the Law Of Diminishing returns, the v2 makes no sense whatsoever. P.S - my $99 refurbed 560s is hard to beat for value.
@@markweiss5913 I'd argue the "value" of your 560S is zero because I'd never enjoy listening to them at all. "Value" isn't a product of measurements and some calculable price-to-performance ratio. It comes down to how much you enjoy the experience of music listening, what that means to you, and how much you paid. If someone's gonna have 3x as much fun listening to a 600-series with better bass response and more treble detail - maybe that's the headphone they've always dreamed of - then it's worth it to them.
I don't envy Sennheiser. Imagine creating a product that becomes so loved that even over 20 years later people still love it over anything else you create in the same category and approximate price range. That has got to be pretty tough. After all, a business would optimally want to make newer products that existing owners would love to upgrade to AND that would bring in new customers. Of course, Sennheiser sells products in many other categories and price ranges, so luckily their evolution doesn't just hang on the HD 600 - but still. On the other hand, maybe the fact there hasn't been such enthusiasm to adopt the other 600-series headphones has the saving grace that it steers audiophiles to instead upgrade to the HD 800.
After having all the 6x0 line up I kept hd660s as my daily driver , I was wondering if the S2 would be worth upgrading but it seems that it's not really an upgrade just a different tunning :(
@@Tripokaridos22 what it says is- we've already got the 660s & we don't have to admit there's a better one than ours & spend another £500 if we say or think 660s2 is better ☺️ That's how it's coming across!! I've had the 600 for approx 20years & I'm finally going to buy an upgrade which I believe is the 660s2. Finally sennheiser have improved the bass!!
Graph at 6:41 on this video plotting 600 v 660s2 (which he describes as a definite upgrade over 660s) told me everything I needed to know. And Sennheiser designers, 10:33 on the DMS video tells you everything you need to know.
I pre-orders the 660s2 and I already have the 660S about many years. Over all… the 660S2 lost room/stage But won some more powerful deeps and bass. Comfort also a little bit better. (Tested with the new Fiio K7 balanced) In my opinion… not really better than the 660S (and because of the big price difference… I would pay 660S
For added bass fundament I EQ my 660S which makes it really shine. I don't expect an upgrade buying the 660s2 also I doubt it purpose being an upgrade from the 660s, just a model upgrade.
Absolutely love my my HD660S, after owning many, including HD650 (x2), HD800, Focal Utopia, HD700, Audeze and others, the 660S are the ones I kept. They are like the goldilocks zone of all the aforementioned. If you find a deal they are worth it. As far as the HD660S2, I don't need one as I have a SubPac (best audio purchase, but rare and hard to get a hold of).
@@daviddier9865 Sure, you are the guy who replied on the other video re: the HD600 are still one of the best. You will see in the comment you replied to that there was no mention of LCD4. In this comment, you have no idea what I edited, and I never owned an LCD4. I had an LCD2 rev 2 - very good. You take this way too personally. It's just headphones!
I agree, I have all 3 in my collection and the 660s are easily the best of the bunch. Imo hd660s>hs600>hd650 I am interested to hear what is different with them but don't want to spend £500 to find out.
@@colonelbasic9736 yea I feel the hd660s has better technicalities for sure they are lovely but I think the hd600 has that even (only slightly) better timbre and just slightly better frequency response. I heard the hd6xx/650 before and while they sounded relax and had a slightly more fun bass they definitely feel like the worst of the bunch. Hd660s and hd600 all day! :)
@@soraflame66 Honestly i love all HD 6 line for different reassons, my Favorite are 660s and 600 . 600 are the most clear of them all, and 660s are something in the middle warm , tight , fast , bigger soundstage, amazing imaging . 650 on the other hand are warm smooth , but i think 660s is also has that in a way so HD 600 + 660s are all we need :)
I EQ every headphone and hifi system to my liking and preferences. Been doing it for 40 years (even before the hearing got worse, tinnitus, loss of highs). I think it‘s necessary because every HP, loudspeaker and amp are different.
BC they arent eff'n with that classic! People would melt. The 660s is the one that made no sense in the market so I think the idea to differentiate it was sound- they just didnt succeed, necessarily.
I have the HD800S, HD599 & now a the HD660S2, kinda hard to beat the HD800S but Its not a headphone I like taking out and about. 660S2 is considerably fuller sounding thant the HD599
I've had HD600 for over 10 years now and my only complaint about it is that it's a bit shouty in the upper mid range. I have to listen to these check the difference, the reduction in the upper mids/treble might be overkill but I'll give it a go :)
@@rene837 That's a fair point, I use EQ already because of it. But just wanted to hear the difference "stock" - side to side. Sadly no stores seems to have it :).
Zeos has no tuning. He hypes up everything that is going to make him money. Hell, he said the Rode NTH 100 was great and ohh so detailed, while in reality it can't even outresolve an AKG K371.
@@rene837 By Tuning I meant preferred frequency curve. Yep I agree his suggestions can be hit or miss. Remember he can't hear differences in most DACs.
@@matthewhilty4209 I know that a few years ago his favourite headphone was the HD600, then the 660S got released and became his favourite (for whatever reason). In a review a little later he said the Goldplanar GL2000 was the best headphone he has ever heard. Tbh. I think he is a sham, but still entertaining to watch.
Now what would interest me personally, because no one made a video about this yet, is the HD6XX or HD600 with the copper mod in comparison to the 660S2. While this still doesn't bring all that much subbass in, I wonder how it performs comparatively. My 6XX with that mod and ZMF suede pads are quite interesting. A tad more slam, a little more spacious. But the only source for this mod is custom cans and some forum posts for quite a while ago.
I have HD6XX’s and HD58X Jubilee. I can’t nail down why persay, but I just prefer the HD6XX. I looked into the copper mod briefly and I’m interested in trying it. Do you think it’s worth it/ what does it change about the HD6XX’s?
@@alexbrier718 imo HD6XX has more separation and the mids is more engaging(?) but for HD58X (I own personally with zmf suede pads) less separation but the bass is slightly better.. i would say with zmf suede pads, it comes close with HD6XX stock
@@alexbrier718 Sorry for replying so late, I didn't see you comment. The copper mod is worth it and very versatile. It can basically turn the 6XX into a different headphone. From flat, to more bass, to a lot more bass. Everything is there. I personally love the more bass variant, so no foam at all, stock foam removed. If you decide to get it: also get thin nylon fabric from idk, an old pantyhose so you can stretch that below the copper rings as a dust protection, if you happen to use the variant with no foam. That makes it possible to have a dust free, bassier 6XX (more bass than EQ probably can do and I am sure, if you add a good bass shelf on top of that, you could get very deep reaching subbass)
@2:08 Can't compete with that 90s Marble drip.🤣 I went to a footlocker recently and its funny how the shoes on the wall look a lot like how it was 30 years ago.
I think it images better, and sounds clearer than a 650. Also, the 650 can get shouty in the mids - I tested both back to back on a Bryston DAC into a WA23 Luna.
I have HD6XX’s and HD58X Jubilee. I can’t nail down why persay, but I just prefer the HD6XX. I looked into the copper mod briefly and I’m interested in trying it. Do you think it’s worth it/ what does it change about the HD6XX’s?
@@alexbrier718 It adds sub bass, and more importantly, it adds slam to it, like physicality. I think it's worth it as the kit isn't very expensive (and it's reversible unless you also remove the foam behind the driver, but it's not necessary.).
@@Fafner888 +1. Also, the mod is tunable, so if you want a flatter response you can. I used it to get more control and extension, and to remove the lower mid-bloat which used to bleed into the vocals on my HD600. HD600 +custom cans mods+proper amping (in my case, OTL) got me what I think Andrew was saying he wanted out of his HD600s in this video.
Less treble is an upgrade rather than a downgrade. Instruments are insanely clearer and more detailed than ever. The only downside to this headset is the smaller sound stage.
I actually would like an hd650 with full bass extension, much better upper mids than the 600, at least for me. Passing to 600 after a good listen with 650, it immediately sounds rough.
i ordered these regardless of the little bit mixed reviews, because i mainly listen to heavy metal, rock, etc. i'll have to see how i like these when they arrive !
@@KillaZamii absolutely amazing. i've had these for about 9 days now and i've just been listening to music all the time because i cant get enough :D i've never heard my favorite music like this before 100% worth the money. i EQ'd them the slightest bit, i added +2 db in the 30-50Hz region and oh my god im in love
@@floor.mp3 thanks. Been wondering since I’m kinda not entirely satisfied with my hd600’s. Just really been wanting a little bit more bass. The issue is when I listen to rock and hip hop music you really can’t hear an instruments like the bass drum or bass guitar or even when you can it’s very distant or quiet I guess. Though I do love the timbre/realistic sound of them and they are just shouty enough. But in short I was hoping the 660s2 is a better all rounder option.
@@KillaZamii you definitely will not be disappointed with these then especially with a bit of EQ, even when im not listening at loud volumes the bass guitar comes in so smooth and deep. and the high end is clear too but not at all sharp or shouty, im very sensitive to treble and i can blast very loud music with these and be very comfortable
People having and really listen all HD6 line most of them keep HD660s that says alot. And again the shame happen with 660s2 . Nostalgic reviewer's keep saying the shame like they did with 650 and 660 . Even people with 600 was criticized from 580 owners.
No word on any changes in detail retrieval (aside from the upper mids/treble tuning)? Interested in how the technicalities and dynamics of this pair up with the prior line. You can fix tuning with EQ on most decently tuned headphones.
Thanks Resolve! Do you feel they should have dared to experiment with the symmetry of L/R connections or would that have represented a fundamental betrayal of the classic design language?
I enjoyed the review but I do feel like you missed the mark on this one. I feel like, from your wording, there was a bias in favor of the HD600's from the outset that overshadowed the 660S2 getting to be its own headphone. I can understand your dilemma though. Like you, my preferred 600 series headphone overall WAS the HD600, but once I got the 660S2 things changed and seemingly like you, I had a bias towards my favorite going in. My most used headphones for the past 5 years have been the 600 series since the natural tone and presentation is just what I prefer in a headphone. The 660S's flaws are that it is too shouty, it does some of what the 600's do, more of what the 700's do, but not enough of what either of them do to justify existing (especially if you own both of the other headphones). I've always felt like its sound was more akin to the HD59X sound than the 600 series. Finally on the 660S2. They outright with ease offer a clearer look into the music and are both a better pair of cans for enjoying or inspecting music than the 600's. I don't feel like they make 650's or 600's irrelevant but I can easily be happy with all three for different reasons. That being said though, the 660S2's are in my opinion, the best of the three and less of a side grade than reviewers suggest. Owners seem to agree about how much better they are than the previous models (where you said you feel and feel like most would think the 600's were better). Still, I liked your review and appreciate your honest thoughts about the 660S2. I just don't quite feel like you gave it a chance to be what it is instead of what you wanted it to be. Again, I can relate. It is most of what I wanted but also a lot more than what I expected in some aspects and it is actually really good even compared to it's predecessors and a leap of an improvement over the original 660S.
Hi , I just bought s2 open box one for £269 so at that price I give it a go , I have the 6xx with custom cans bass mod and sounds bit better at the bottom end , just hope 660s2 bass is better than 660s and 560, regards nark
Everybody talks about EQing but no one explains how. What if you mainly listen to Apple Music on an iPhone using a dongle like Cayin RU6? How do you EQ that setup?
I just bought the first 660S. Price was right. Just under $300. Compared to my wonderful Grado 325 and Audeze iSine20, I find them too dark. Easy to listen to for hours. Going to get an amp soon. Hopefully the sound will open up, essentially equally in the treble.
Just getting into the audiophile world, will this really make a difference on how i hear music??? my daily drivers are some Airpods Max which i think sound amazing
Sen's own measurement shows a very similar lower treble dip between the 660S and the S2. Your measurement shows a much deeper dip for the S2. What's cooking there? Btw personally I much prefer the 660S to either the 600 and especially to the muddy and veiled 650/6XX, all without eq. It seems to me that, once more, pricing issues obscure judgement in terms of sq only.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow But what is it then? Does the S2 have a much deeper dip than the S or not? People, including you, seem to be making a big deal out of it while they do not for the original S. Not enough comparison between the two 660s in the review. I have found the original 660S a good compromise between the 600 and the 650 but I don't understand where to place the S2. Confused...
@@razisn Well, in my comparison between the two, it uses the same degree of smoothing, so that's apples to apples. The thing is, even if both have the deep phase cancellation issue, it's narrow enough on both to where you probably wouldn't hear a difference between the two there. It only becomes a problem if you try to EQ that region up.
Still no included case! Come on Sennheiser, for the price we should get a bag at the very least. If they put out a range of hard cases as separates a lot of us would (begrudgingly) buy one.
0:52 that moment when before i was able to watch this portion, i already open up DMS' segment/video beforehand on the previous tab so in that sense no one sent me xD
Look for Soundnews review of the 660S2, he also has in the video a graph and a few details of how the 109Pro compare(3k are even more reduced and 7k quite a lot more emphasized and also a bigger sound stage in the 109Pro if I remember correctly).
Hello, I am completely new to the audiophile scene. I usually listen to jazz and classic rock (Beatles, CCR, Eagles and stuff) and would like to know which Sennheiser (660s2, 600 or 650) would be better suited for such type of music? I currently use Shure 215 and Bose QC35ii if that helps. Thank you.
Goddamn, that face distortion on "eq is the devil, nyahhh" (13:08) made me chuckle. Nice work! (oh and great video too - confirmed sort of what I was expecting from these headphones.)
take the grill panels off and fill the back with play-dough sandwiched between cardboard and cotton, and bingo......closed back 600's, the way nature intended! or you can just buy 280 pro's.
Great review. Very helpful, very fair. I'm going to take a pass on this one as I really like the 650 and suspect you're exactly right that this does not offer a reason to switch.
Shorter cables, no nice storage box, unpainted plastic while the 650 has a nice metallic silver paintjob, and the same tooling they've been using for 20+ years for the plastic bits, grill, and earpads. This is a boring. It is not an innovative product in the space as you should expect for the cost they ask, and it looks worse than the 650. Remember that you do not need to pay more for different tuning. Senny makes a proffit still when the other 6X0's are on sale for 200-300 dollars regularly. $600 is an absolute insult to ask for these. Give it a bit and these will be $350 on amazon like the rest of the line.
Seriously though, EQ isn't the devil, but I'm not going to go and digitise the mountains of vinyl and CDs I have just so I can diddle with 2db here, 5db there. That's the actual hurdle for me - not fear of digital, or being puritanical, just the extraordinary labour involved. It's a problem that I never see considered in these debates. If I happen across a second-hand rack mount analogue parametric EQ for not silly money, sure I'll give EQ a go, but until then it's just easier to swap headphones when necessary.
Hifiman HE1000se is twice the price of the Arya but I almost never hear the same criticism. Also, I think the hd600 is a good headphone but I'm starting to put it in the overrated category mainly due to the blind nostalgia. It's as if no one wants to admit that anything could be better even when it is. I've seen so many people say that the 660s isn't as good without even hearing it or owning it, meanwhile I've also seen a ton of people say that they own it and prefer it over every other 600 series headphone.
The se has better technical qualities than the ayra. This has none of thst so i dont know why you brought it up. Did you mean the regular 1000v2? Because then you're correct, its just a retuned ayra for way more money.
Your HD 660S review from July 2020 stated "these are my favorite headphones in Sennheiser's line-up". In this video, however, you prefer the older HD 600. Totally cool to change minds but, unless the written reviews are updated, it takes away credibility from them.
This whole video seemed like a mess
You'll come to notice this guy just isn't that bright
@@ChrisStoneinator The only member from "The Headphone Show" that I usually agree with is Chrono. Metal571 was also spot-on with his sound descriptions and observations (too bad he got bored, though I don't blame him).
@@ARC87 Golden is the only one with any technical knowledge and self-consistency worth a damn IMO. DMS is a good presenter and will give anything a chance which is cool. I enjoy the content they make together (even if their lists are stupid because only half of them have actually heard each product) but this guy on his own is just a bit of a mug tbh. Don't get the appeal at all.
These TH-camrs , DMS Velour etch etch are Going where the Wind is blowing , If u need a real HD6 line Review Try to find a honest Reviewers or read forums that people have all of them . Personaly i have All of them and All of them are amazing , but some of them are better on something else, for example 600 are the best on vocals, 650 on warm smooth sound, 660s on speed imaging separation liveness and S2 are like 660s with smoother treble and more low end . Thats it all of them are amazing depending by what u like more.
It's not just louder bass. It's more nimble, more detailed. Play a song with a fast, complex bass line, and you'll hear each note individually on the S2, while the 6XX blurs them with or without EQ.
What songs do you recommend with bass lines like that? I know of some with a plucked upright bass line, or from the likes of Bela Fleck.
Beck's "Loser" is a good test song for nimble sub-bass.@@astro143_
They have no idea, just use them for 10 hours and make a review. Dont trust them anymore. S2 technically are way way better than everything else on HD 6 line . And 660s also have speed, imaging, separation. This is Fact. But i understand people that like HD600 vocals and HD650 warm smooth sound, but saying that HD600 or 650 are better technically ... Noo Noo way
@@Tripokaridos22 its a shame, i agree with you
@@thaflybear Don't get me wrong HD600 is my big love their vocals are just amazing. All I .saying is about technical aspects of 660s and S2 that are better... Sound signature is something else.
marble 600 is nothing but a beauty
I have a 6XX but want a marble 600 so baaad. Unfortunately Sennheiser no longer sells it with the gorgeous marble finish.
Yeah, I need to EQ everything and it’s AWESOME that firmware upgrades have given the Qudelix 5K 20 bands or two separate 10 band parametric or graphic equalizers(one for each ear). This is great for me because my left and right ears need to be equalized differently to achieve decent imaging.
Cool. If one was to dive into EQing ( I have imbalanced hearing also ) where is the best place to start?
@@ruger6049 Place to start in know how or hardware/software
Would you consider doing a no dedicated amp tier list? Headphones that are easily driven by anything and still sound pretty good?
ngl most of it will be IEMs
Had to stop watching when you insulted my iconic marble countertop sixhundos.
So insulting!!! I am however a psychopath, so there's that 🤣
Long live the marble 600!
@@rzezniqq YESSSS!!!
I keep losing my HD 600’s then remember I left them on my countertop.
@@g.s.3074 hahaha, that countertop you have right there must be gorgeous, I’m jealous
I want an HD800S with sub bass thump, a man can dream can’t he?
I'd say Arya is pretty close to that comparison :) Arya with a lot of power has that slam and rumble.
Meze empyrean 2 got you covered 😊
I got a package with HD 600, HD 650 and HD 660s and tried them, but to my surprise I did not like the 600 even with eq, I liked the 650 better (with eq) and the 660s the best. The only thing I wished for was the cable of the HD 600 on the HD 660s because that thing is loud and heavy.
600/650 experience can vary pretty dramatically depending on the signal chain you feed it-especially the amp
Exactly people have all hd 6 series like u and me agree that 660s are better.
@@Tripokaridos22 Nope.
@@Tripokaridos22Definitely not, all of you that think 660s is better have obviously low-fi amps that can't feed 300 ohm headphones properly
@@kentbergstrom3020 lmao people like you are so insufferable. I got the jds atom amp 2/dac 2 stack and am not entirely impressed with the hd600. Might side-grade to the 660s2.
"trailing ends of tones" and that's my Resolve bingo card complete 😂
I have had the 600 S2 since yesterday: 6 hours of listening time in and I am really enjoying them. I pre-o ordered and once the reviews started rolling in I was concerned that I made a mistake paying a premium price for something new etc. I prefer these over the 650 that I have had for 2 years+. Back ground instruments come from behind me (my ears) much more so than the 650. Mids. still sound great, perhaps not as pronounced but I am hearing all of the other instruments more and to me that is more enjoyable. Other headphones I own, LCD-x, 650, Sundara, and Elegia.. I have a simple setup power wise: Asgard Multi-bit, and M11 Pro ESS DAP, plus few ultra-portable dongles..
Hi! Wonder what you think of Sundara vs elegia?
Or maybe even the 650 vs the elegia?
@@stratelite1337 LCD-X ear poke problem made me refrain from buying them, I hate when my ears touch the driver
@@turtlet7201 I had the Sundara's and sadly something inside the right speaker grounded out or whatever, because it blew my fucking amp. The right ear died. And then I plugged them into a typical computer sound card and they blew my soundcard. So I knew it was the headphones and not my gear. I wont touch hifiman after that. I know its probably a niche issue but still. After they already blew my shit i took them apart and the build quality on the inside was scary bad. Sure on the outside they look good but inside, total cheap garbage.
MY PERSONAL OPINON is that said headphones using planar magnetic drivers suck ass. I had also bought the fostex t20rp mk3's which are "bass head" marketed headphones and there was no bass. 250hz is not bass. and there was a huge bloat at 250hz. so much that even setting -12db at 250hz on the EQ wouldn't fix the issue. it was that bad. I wont touch planar magnetic headphones because of this. not worth it. they may be great for tweeters (original use in home audio speakers/towers) but overall they suck. sure, the sundara's with +12db at 32hz would make them literally shake your head like a massager because "basshead" but overall they weren't great.
@@turtlet7201 Even the Sennheiser 560s at $140 blows the Sundara away. The Sundara 2020 drivers seemed really cheap quality that I wonder what other components in the headphones that they used cheap chinese components.
I have 600 650 660s and i love them. But i heard 660s2 and sound better in their own way. Enjoy them
Yes, DMS did indeed send me here!
DMS sent me here. BTW, marble HD600 looks unique and cool
today I learned I'm a psychopath because I actually liked the HD600 marble design...
I just dont see how this can compete at that price point with other offerings like Hifiman Edition XS in the same price range and broadly offers much more
I've never had a Sennheiser with a slamy punchy bass. I guess this is no exception.
@@JTB-- thry still can't extend ruler flat to 30hz.
The copper ring mass loading mod from Custom Cans did wonders to the bass, at least for my HD6XXs.
Sennheiser Momentum 3's are VERY punchy.
Just to the point of "HD600 with bass extension being what we all want", I am one person who objects! :P
For me, a Dynamic Driver headphone needs rolled off subbass or else it sounds unnatural. Planars can pull linear or elevated subbass off, but out of all the DD headphones I tried, not a single one sounds good with linear bass.
All that said, it seems like the HD600 with its more even midrange and added warmth is better for my taste.
guess why it sounds so good
Why are you comparing the Hd 660S2 to the HD600 rather than comparing it to the HD660S
I've wondered this too. In so many reviews, they seem to want to pretend that the 660s doesn't exist.
Because the HD 660S2 is better than S1 in every way besides the price
Hd600 is legend and that is why.
I understand about the 3k dip, but maybe Sennheiser thinks that the loudness equalization makes the whole sound flatter and more linear by reducing this area when listening to the sound at low volumes. Personally, I actually feel like there is a dip when I listen to the 660S2, but that could just be because I usually listen to the HD 600 and my brain is tuned to it. I would like to hear your thoughts on this point.
Definitely going to cop. Fixes a lot of what I don’t like about my HD600.
0:52 actually DMS sent me to you 🤣 either way I'm watching both videos 😉
I think they have a side bet on which channel gets the most views. The loser buys the other 25 Tacos 🌮
That's a lot of tacos!
wait...he sent me to you and send be back to him? this will never end...
you described so damn well why i like the 660s 2 more over my mezss 109 pro. the s2 dosent distord at all and get harsh with heavy metal. Rammstein is so damn enjoyable with these
DMS sent me here. When I watched the conclusion part of you saying this headphone is twice the price and is not better than the ones you compared, no thanks! You speak the truth! No nonsense. I have the Sennheiser HD650. This headphone appeals to a small audience.
I had both 6xx (with new pads) and 660s for some time. 6xx felt just muddy in comparison with a lack of detail and soundstage. Now considering that 6xx are basically 650s I have hard time believing you that 660S2 are better than 660s yet still worse than 650. I wonder what setup did you use to listen to and what kind of music.
What amp are you using?
They use different drivers so maybe you just like the driver characteristics vs. the 6xx.
Just dont bealive him. I have the shame opinion like u 650 are muddy and not even close to 660s imaging speed clarity.
This is spot on with my impressions as well
I own the HD 6xx, HD 58X and I prefer my HD700! Go figure. It’s very subjective.
It sounds like some of us would be better off just keeping the 600 or the 650.
i'd say that sennheiser 600 series headphones dont have upgrades, they are all good in their own way and flavor, it just depends on what you prefer
The original clear was a decent upgrade and 600 like, though that's gone, so now only the Etymotic iem's have that neutral mids type sound.
Problem is that this is priced like an upgrade
I have the HD600 set and I modded mine with the Custom Cans Stage 2 Copper Mod and ZMF perforated lamb skin ear pads. The best $120 I ever spent in this hobby. They still have all the qualities that we know and love about the HD600, Improved the bass performance significantly I quality and quantity. Highly recommended.
What an outstanding and honest review. great work Sir.
Don't make fun of the marbled finished HD600 it is a great color. No I am not saying this because the marbled colorway looks better on people with gray hair... probably.
Massdrop currently has the HD 6XX available for $239. Hard to justify $360 difference in price.
Exactly, have the 580x now, looking to get the 6xx pretty soon, but really like the 580x
The 6xx can be found for less than $200 on Drop on a regular basis. Even if you factor in the Law Of Diminishing returns, the v2 makes no sense whatsoever. P.S - my $99 refurbed 560s is hard to beat for value.
The 6XX is pretty much the best deal you can get in headphone history.
The 6XX is made up of junk parts that didn't make the cut for HD650s and an inferior build. You ARE getting less for your money.
@@markweiss5913 I'd argue the "value" of your 560S is zero because I'd never enjoy listening to them at all. "Value" isn't a product of measurements and some calculable price-to-performance ratio. It comes down to how much you enjoy the experience of music listening, what that means to you, and how much you paid. If someone's gonna have 3x as much fun listening to a 600-series with better bass response and more treble detail - maybe that's the headphone they've always dreamed of - then it's worth it to them.
Talking crap about the original marbled HD600... idk if I can stay subbed!
I don't envy Sennheiser. Imagine creating a product that becomes so loved that even over 20 years later people still love it over anything else you create in the same category and approximate price range. That has got to be pretty tough. After all, a business would optimally want to make newer products that existing owners would love to upgrade to AND that would bring in new customers. Of course, Sennheiser sells products in many other categories and price ranges, so luckily their evolution doesn't just hang on the HD 600 - but still. On the other hand, maybe the fact there hasn't been such enthusiasm to adopt the other 600-series headphones has the saving grace that it steers audiophiles to instead upgrade to the HD 800.
PEOPLE in world are stastcaly dumb maybe thats why
After having all the 6x0 line up I kept hd660s as my daily driver , I was wondering if the S2 would be worth upgrading but it seems that it's not really an upgrade just a different tunning :(
Which is probably an upgrade!! Why would they make them worse you wally?!?!
yea, but it might not be significant enough especially at the price.
@@elasmojones You can buy used Focal Clear OG which is galaxies better than any HD6xx series in technicalities.
Every people u ask that have all series like me and u... Gone tell u that keep 660s. That says a lot.
@@Tripokaridos22 what it says is- we've already got the 660s & we don't have to admit there's a better one than ours & spend another £500 if we say or think 660s2 is better ☺️ That's how it's coming across!! I've had the 600 for approx 20years & I'm finally going to buy an upgrade which I believe is the 660s2. Finally sennheiser have improved the bass!!
Graph at 6:41 on this video plotting 600 v 660s2 (which he describes as a definite upgrade over 660s) told me everything I needed to know. And Sennheiser designers, 10:33 on the DMS video tells you everything you need to know.
I pre-orders the 660s2 and I already have the 660S about many years.
Over all… the 660S2 lost room/stage
But won some more powerful deeps and bass.
Comfort also a little bit better.
(Tested with the new Fiio K7 balanced)
In my opinion… not really better than the 660S (and because of the big price difference… I would pay 660S
For added bass fundament I EQ my 660S which makes it really shine. I don't expect an upgrade buying the 660s2 also I doubt it purpose being an upgrade from the 660s, just a model upgrade.
would you take a hd660s or hd660S2 for fps gaming?
@@ilkerYT I own both, S is better for gaming (better clarity and a pinch better staging to my ears)
@@hkw8477 thanks mate
How do you like the fiio k7? I’m thinking about getting one myself
Absolutely love my my HD660S, after owning many, including HD650 (x2), HD800, Focal Utopia, HD700, Audeze and others, the 660S are the ones I kept. They are like the goldilocks zone of all the aforementioned. If you find a deal they are worth it. As far as the HD660S2, I don't need one as I have a SubPac (best audio purchase, but rare and hard to get a hold of).
It said LCD4. You tried to cover up your tracks. You are immoral.
@@daviddier9865 Sure, you are the guy who replied on the other video re: the HD600 are still one of the best. You will see in the comment you replied to that there was no mention of LCD4. In this comment, you have no idea what I edited, and I never owned an LCD4. I had an LCD2 rev 2 - very good.
You take this way too personally. It's just headphones!
@@malfunktCaught red handed and trying to make excuses 🥶
@@bigheartsmolpen what are you on about? Caught red handed with what?
Your dislike of the marble HD600 irks me.
Madman!
660s and 2 Have way better imaging separation, tight bass and faster than the others. But conveniently u forgot to say.
cope
I agree, I have all 3 in my collection and the 660s are easily the best of the bunch. Imo hd660s>hs600>hd650 I am interested to hear what is different with them but don't want to spend £500 to find out.
@@colonelbasic9736 I fully agree.
@@colonelbasic9736 yea I feel the hd660s has better technicalities for sure they are lovely but I think the hd600 has that even (only slightly) better timbre and just slightly better frequency response. I heard the hd6xx/650 before and while they sounded relax and had a slightly more fun bass they definitely feel like the worst of the bunch. Hd660s and hd600 all day! :)
@@soraflame66 Honestly i love all HD 6 line for different reassons, my Favorite are 660s and 600 . 600 are the most clear of them all, and 660s are something in the middle warm , tight , fast , bigger soundstage, amazing imaging . 650 on the other hand are warm smooth , but i think 660s is also has that in a way so HD 600 + 660s are all we need :)
Noob here, wth would anyone say EQ is the devil? Are they only listening to perfect sources? In my experience EQ always provides improvement.
I EQ every headphone and hifi system to my liking and preferences. Been doing it for 40 years (even before the hearing got worse, tinnitus, loss of highs). I think it‘s necessary because every HP, loudspeaker and amp are different.
I think the truth is that some of us are just too lazy
Why this upgrade wasn't just done to the HD600 is a mystery. HD600 with extended sub bass and better imaging would be perfect.
BC they arent eff'n with that classic! People would melt. The 660s is the one that made no sense in the market so I think the idea to differentiate it was sound- they just didnt succeed, necessarily.
Peacock?
It's call HD800s lol
omg i love the way he says baggy, it's so cute
I have the HD800S, HD599 & now a the HD660S2, kinda hard to beat the HD800S but Its not a headphone I like taking out and about. 660S2 is considerably fuller sounding thant the HD599
I've had HD600 for over 10 years now and my only complaint about it is that it's a bit shouty in the upper mid range. I have to listen to these check the difference, the reduction in the upper mids/treble might be overkill but I'll give it a go :)
Just use a small peak filter around 3kHz and you have the same effect for 600€ less.
@@rene837 Yes it amazes me that so many people buy new headphones instead of trying to fix the ones they own first with EQ.
@@kentbergstrom3020 EQ gang unite! ^^
@@rene837 That's a fair point, I use EQ already because of it. But just wanted to hear the difference "stock" - side to side. Sadly no stores seems to have it :).
This looks like a Zeos Tuning to me. I would imagine he would love these things. Probably a great gaming tuning.
Zeos has no tuning. He hypes up everything that is going to make him money. Hell, he said the Rode NTH 100 was great and ohh so detailed, while in reality it can't even outresolve an AKG K371.
@@rene837 By Tuning I meant preferred frequency curve. Yep I agree his suggestions can be hit or miss. Remember he can't hear differences in most DACs.
@@matthewhilty4209 I know that a few years ago his favourite headphone was the HD600, then the 660S got released and became his favourite (for whatever reason). In a review a little later he said the Goldplanar GL2000 was the best headphone he has ever heard. Tbh. I think he is a sham, but still entertaining to watch.
Now what would interest me personally, because no one made a video about this yet, is the HD6XX or HD600 with the copper mod in comparison to the 660S2. While this still doesn't bring all that much subbass in, I wonder how it performs comparatively. My 6XX with that mod and ZMF suede pads are quite interesting. A tad more slam, a little more spacious. But the only source for this mod is custom cans and some forum posts for quite a while ago.
I have HD6XX’s and HD58X Jubilee. I can’t nail down why persay, but I just prefer the HD6XX. I looked into the copper mod briefly and I’m interested in trying it.
Do you think it’s worth it/ what does it change about the HD6XX’s?
@@alexbrier718 imo HD6XX has more separation and the mids is more engaging(?) but for HD58X (I own personally with zmf suede pads) less separation but the bass is slightly better.. i would say with zmf suede pads, it comes close with HD6XX stock
@@alexbrier718 Sorry for replying so late, I didn't see you comment. The copper mod is worth it and very versatile. It can basically turn the 6XX into a different headphone. From flat, to more bass, to a lot more bass. Everything is there. I personally love the more bass variant, so no foam at all, stock foam removed.
If you decide to get it: also get thin nylon fabric from idk, an old pantyhose so you can stretch that below the copper rings as a dust protection, if you happen to use the variant with no foam. That makes it possible to have a dust free, bassier 6XX (more bass than EQ probably can do and I am sure, if you add a good bass shelf on top of that, you could get very deep reaching subbass)
@@PinePizza thanks for your response, I appreciate the feedback
Andrew saved me $600. **Denzel's voice** MY MAN!
@2:08 Can't compete with that 90s Marble drip.🤣 I went to a footlocker recently and its funny how the shoes on the wall look a lot like how it was 30 years ago.
I think it images better, and sounds clearer than a 650. Also, the 650 can get shouty in the mids - I tested both back to back on a Bryston DAC into a WA23 Luna.
Hd660s2 is almost hd58x without inner foam. Is it worth 400$? One should decide.
you know Resolve, you can run tests with already worn pads to see how it affects the treble
That's only the case of the foam and material is the same.
I feel like the dude watching the two Spider.. Spidermen? Man? Yups, you both sent us here and there.
So is this like the opposite of the HD560s?
Hi , the hd660s2 is £359 in the Uk now , and the hd650 is £229 atm, regards mark
DMS sent me here, but I was already a subscriber :)
Any measurements of old marble HD600 vs new version ?
Save a little more money and get the 109 Pro. IMO
DMS sent me...although it was already automatically queued on my autoplay anyway
HD800S2 , When ?? seems like my hype is fading for the hd660S2 . I have all sennheiser hp and hd800 my daily driver. But i love my hd650 too
I expected a comparison with HD660S not HD600.
That exists in this video too.
Cool, now we have lcd-2 from Sennheiser
The copper ring mass loading mod from Custom Cans does wonders to the bass, at least for my HD6XXs.
Yeah i have it but it doesn't give the imaging and separation that 660s have
I have HD6XX’s and HD58X Jubilee. I can’t nail down why persay, but I just prefer the HD6XX. I looked into the copper mod briefly and I’m interested in trying it.
Do you think it’s worth it/ what does it change about the HD6XX’s?
@@alexbrier718 It adds sub bass, and more importantly, it adds slam to it, like physicality. I think it's worth it as the kit isn't very expensive (and it's reversible unless you also remove the foam behind the driver, but it's not necessary.).
@@Fafner888 +1. Also, the mod is tunable, so if you want a flatter response you can. I used it to get more control and extension, and to remove the lower mid-bloat which used to bleed into the vocals on my HD600. HD600 +custom cans mods+proper amping (in my case, OTL) got me what I think Andrew was saying he wanted out of his HD600s in this video.
Less treble is an upgrade rather than a downgrade. Instruments are insanely clearer and more detailed than ever. The only downside to this headset is the smaller sound stage.
For that price you could get Edition XS + fiio k7 or k5 pro ess combo...just think about it
It seems that many headphone designers are allergic to the 5 khz region these days (Especially looking at you, Focal). I'm so thankful for reverse EQ.
I actually would like an hd650 with full bass extension, much better upper mids than the 600, at least for me. Passing to 600 after a good listen with 650, it immediately sounds rough.
i ordered these regardless of the little bit mixed reviews, because i mainly listen to heavy metal, rock, etc. i'll have to see how i like these when they arrive !
How have they been?
@@KillaZamii absolutely amazing. i've had these for about 9 days now and i've just been listening to music all the time because i cant get enough :D i've never heard my favorite music like this before 100% worth the money. i EQ'd them the slightest bit, i added +2 db in the 30-50Hz region and oh my god im in love
@@floor.mp3 thanks. Been wondering since I’m kinda not entirely satisfied with my hd600’s. Just really been wanting a little bit more bass. The issue is when I listen to rock and hip hop music you really can’t hear an instruments like the bass drum or bass guitar or even when you can it’s very distant or quiet I guess. Though I do love the timbre/realistic sound of them and they are just shouty enough.
But in short I was hoping the 660s2 is a better all rounder option.
@@KillaZamii you definitely will not be disappointed with these then especially with a bit of EQ, even when im not listening at loud volumes the bass guitar comes in so smooth and deep. and the high end is clear too but not at all sharp or shouty, im very sensitive to treble and i can blast very loud music with these and be very comfortable
what hardware do you need to run it? would it be wasted to plug it to laptop for music?
People having and really listen all HD6 line most of them keep HD660s that says alot. And again the shame happen with 660s2 . Nostalgic reviewer's keep saying the shame like they did with 650 and 660 . Even people with 600 was criticized from 580 owners.
No word on any changes in detail retrieval (aside from the upper mids/treble tuning)? Interested in how the technicalities and dynamics of this pair up with the prior line. You can fix tuning with EQ on most decently tuned headphones.
Thanks Resolve! Do you feel they should have dared to experiment with the symmetry of L/R connections or would that have represented a fundamental betrayal of the classic design language?
Heya, Rob!
@@eruilluvitar How’s it going Scott?
I enjoyed the review but I do feel like you missed the mark on this one. I feel like, from your wording, there was a bias in favor of the HD600's from the outset that overshadowed the 660S2 getting to be its own headphone. I can understand your dilemma though. Like you, my preferred 600 series headphone overall WAS the HD600, but once I got the 660S2 things changed and seemingly like you, I had a bias towards my favorite going in.
My most used headphones for the past 5 years have been the 600 series since the natural tone and presentation is just what I prefer in a headphone. The 660S's flaws are that it is too shouty, it does some of what the 600's do, more of what the 700's do, but not enough of what either of them do to justify existing (especially if you own both of the other headphones). I've always felt like its sound was more akin to the HD59X sound than the 600 series.
Finally on the 660S2. They outright with ease offer a clearer look into the music and are both a better pair of cans for enjoying or inspecting music than the 600's. I don't feel like they make 650's or 600's irrelevant but I can easily be happy with all three for different reasons. That being said though, the 660S2's are in my opinion, the best of the three and less of a side grade than reviewers suggest.
Owners seem to agree about how much better they are than the previous models (where you said you feel and feel like most would think the 600's were better).
Still, I liked your review and appreciate your honest thoughts about the 660S2. I just don't quite feel like you gave it a chance to be what it is instead of what you wanted it to be. Again, I can relate. It is most of what I wanted but also a lot more than what I expected in some aspects and it is actually really good even compared to it's predecessors and a leap of an improvement over the original 660S.
How can you have full bass extension in an open-back headphone?
Have it be a planar above $1000. The ayra and lcd series extend ruler flat down to 20hz.
That's the first time I heard someone describe a headphone as Flaccid...Don't ever do that again.
I wonder if Neumann NDH30 wouldn't be a better choice at 600$...?
Hi , I just bought s2 open box one for £269 so at that price I give it a go , I have the 6xx with custom cans bass mod and sounds bit better at the bottom end , just hope 660s2 bass is better than 660s and 560, regards nark
If EQ is the devil, I'll see you gentlemen in hell 🍻
Use ZMF pads on 600 or 650 you get 660S2
Liking the new compensation curve!
Everybody talks about EQing but no one explains how. What if you mainly listen to Apple Music on an iPhone using a dongle like Cayin RU6? How do you EQ that setup?
I just bought the first 660S. Price was right. Just under $300.
Compared to my wonderful Grado 325 and Audeze iSine20, I find them too dark. Easy to listen to for hours.
Going to get an amp soon. Hopefully the sound will open up, essentially equally in the treble.
Just getting into the audiophile world, will this really make a difference on how i hear music??? my daily drivers are some Airpods Max which i think sound amazing
Sen's own measurement shows a very similar lower treble dip between the 660S and the S2. Your measurement shows a much deeper dip for the S2. What's cooking there? Btw personally I much prefer the 660S to either the 600 and especially to the muddy and veiled 650/6XX, all without eq. It seems to me that, once more, pricing issues obscure judgement in terms of sq only.
Most likely just a smoothing difference.
@@TheHEADPHONEShow But what is it then? Does the S2 have a much deeper dip than the S or not? People, including you, seem to be making a big deal out of it while they do not for the original S. Not enough comparison between the two 660s in the review. I have found the original 660S a good compromise between the 600 and the 650 but I don't understand where to place the S2. Confused...
@@razisn Well, in my comparison between the two, it uses the same degree of smoothing, so that's apples to apples. The thing is, even if both have the deep phase cancellation issue, it's narrow enough on both to where you probably wouldn't hear a difference between the two there. It only becomes a problem if you try to EQ that region up.
Still no included case! Come on Sennheiser, for the price we should get a bag at the very least. If they put out a range of hard cases as separates a lot of us would (begrudgingly) buy one.
It does include a bag
@@DMS3TV That’s something! A hard case would be nice though.
0:52 that moment when before i was able to watch this portion, i already open up DMS' segment/video beforehand on the previous tab so in that sense no one sent me xD
How is the sound and technical performance compared to the competition e.g. Meze 109 Pro?
Look for Soundnews review of the 660S2, he also has in the video a graph and a few details of how the 109Pro compare(3k are even more reduced and 7k quite a lot more emphasized and also a bigger sound stage in the 109Pro if I remember correctly).
Hello, I am completely new to the audiophile scene. I usually listen to jazz and classic rock (Beatles, CCR, Eagles and stuff) and would like to know which Sennheiser (660s2, 600 or 650) would be better suited for such type of music? I currently use Shure 215 and Bose QC35ii if that helps. Thank you.
Goddamn, that face distortion on "eq is the devil, nyahhh" (13:08) made me chuckle. Nice work! (oh and great video too - confirmed sort of what I was expecting from these headphones.)
Yeah... I had to watch it twice for the lolz
DMS sent me. p.s EQ is the devil, nyaahh.
Love my 600's but just wish there was a bit more bottom end.
take the grill panels off and fill the back with play-dough sandwiched between cardboard and cotton, and bingo......closed back 600's, the way nature intended!
or you can just buy 280 pro's.
Will the shangling ua1s or will this be underpowered?
Great review. Very helpful, very fair. I'm going to take a pass on this one as I really like the 650 and suspect you're exactly right that this does not offer a reason to switch.
Any recommendations for a closed headphone without Bluetooth
Thinking of which one should i get within 500$ edition xs or hd 660s2 ?
Shorter cables, no nice storage box, unpainted plastic while the 650 has a nice metallic silver paintjob, and the same tooling they've been using for 20+ years for the plastic bits, grill, and earpads.
This is a boring. It is not an innovative product in the space as you should expect for the cost they ask, and it looks worse than the 650. Remember that you do not need to pay more for different tuning. Senny makes a proffit still when the other 6X0's are on sale for 200-300 dollars regularly. $600 is an absolute insult to ask for these. Give it a bit and these will be $350 on amazon like the rest of the line.
What's the best movie surround sound headphone with best imaging/sound stage with also having some bass?
Seriously though, EQ isn't the devil, but I'm not going to go and digitise the mountains of vinyl and CDs I have just so I can diddle with 2db here, 5db there. That's the actual hurdle for me - not fear of digital, or being puritanical, just the extraordinary labour involved. It's a problem that I never see considered in these debates. If I happen across a second-hand rack mount analogue parametric EQ for not silly money, sure I'll give EQ a go, but until then it's just easier to swap headphones when necessary.
You don't need to digitise your CDs..
@@razisn Rip Redbook then. Go through every album I own and get them into a state that they can be passed through software EQ on my PC.
Yeah analogue EQ ain't free, unfortunately 😕
Welp, just got a Peavey 2x31 band graphic EQ from the local classifieds for $80, so I'll hook that up and have a play.
Brilliant review! Subscribed! 👏
Any advice for correcting flaccid upper mid range presence?
EQ settings in the description ;)
The little blue, uh,
...replacement cable?
DMS sent me here
Hifiman HE1000se is twice the price of the Arya but I almost never hear the same criticism. Also, I think the hd600 is a good headphone but I'm starting to put it in the overrated category mainly due to the blind nostalgia. It's as if no one wants to admit that anything could be better even when it is. I've seen so many people say that the 660s isn't as good without even hearing it or owning it, meanwhile I've also seen a ton of people say that they own it and prefer it over every other 600 series headphone.
The se has better technical qualities than the ayra. This has none of thst so i dont know why you brought it up. Did you mean the regular 1000v2? Because then you're correct, its just a retuned ayra for way more money.