Kingtot Azeroth is actually better off with the sword left where it is. As a reference, I you get stop you should never remove the knife before you have paramedics with you due to an increased blood loss.
i was thinking the same while watching this video. it may have been about the 6th time i see that cinematic, but it still got to me, even when recycled and had bits of it removed. i'd put it in top 2 at least of warcraft universe's full log of cinematics. honorable mentions go to the TBC and WoTLK intro cinematics. you are not prepared was great and so was the father to son pep talk Arthas received while raising Syndragosa.
I interpreted the “fourth war” as the moment Varian declared war on the Horde after Wrath Gate until the end of this expansion. It’s a long war and, like any great war, it’s really just a bunch of different but related wars.
I agree, if hostilities never really went away is this even really a different war? I personally do see the fourth war being somewhat a final culmination of all those events in previous expansions. Even Blizzard now seems to agree that the Alliance and Horde need to move beyond this eternal tug-o-war. Because what are they going to do? Have them fight a stalemate war for the 9th time? Only for no clear winner to appear and things go back to normal. BFA pretty much showed even the player base is getting tired of generic H vs A wars. If there is a conflict they need to make it more that just another "polititcs bad, bad blood, fight!!!!"
This video is ridiculously well put together. Like "When will Blizzard Hire you" Good. Good job Editing. Removed the fluff of BFA and Focus on the Fourth War which was basically the debut pull of the expansion.
Dis Macbeth homie sound smart. I hope your one of the ones that quit a while back, (D3ish, i know its WoW, but im saying its all garbage now with some really good remakes) that can see the forest through to trees. I was worried that ppl would just stay straight up ignorant, but there have been so many gaming disasters, I think I might be able start up again if u know, the virus doesn't mutate and end the world. my point: WE WILL NEVER GET AMAZING NEW GAMES (or sequels I guess) AGAIN, UNTIL PPL HITTHE WALLETS OF THE EA's LIKE MIKE. QUIT OR PIRATE. FKIT. lol dogmelter. that's a t-shirt i'd buy
Jacob Ojo this whole expansion was a mess. Was excited for a faction war expansion, got yet another old god expansion. Th sold gods are extremely outplayed and boring atm. Imagine if BFA was like this: Prepatch is some different event Siege of Lordaeron is tier 1 BoD is tier 2 Tier 3 would be like Attack on Stormwind or something Tier 4 is the Burning of Teldrassil. Throughout the expansion the Horde has ravaged the Alliance lands, forcing the Alliance to completely retreat to Teldrassil. The Horde leads a full on assault on Teldrassil. Almost all of the Horde is on Teldrassil fighting. When we defeat/lose the last boss (Horde players would be fighting Alliance “players” (NPCs) and pushing further and further into the Alliance “base” meanwhile alliance fight Horde NPCs and get pushed further and further back) we get a cinematic. The cinematic is Sylavans firing the cannons on Teldrassil, burning the Horde and the Alliance to death together. Boom, everyone’s dead, Shadowlands. Just something I thought up.
@@kaizouttv I know I'm late, but I have something to add. The ending barely even made any sense, N'Zoth is named FOR A REASON. N'Zoth played a key role in corrupting Deathwing himself and basically masterminded the entire Cataclysm. Now he just gets vaporized by the power of friendship? Sargeras' sword is still stuck in the planet, we didn't save s**t. For some reason we also resisted corruption from N'Zoth himself? that's almost impossible according to lore, he corrupted a dragon who almost broke the world, he corrupted the Night Elves under Azshara into the Naga. He even got two ELEMENTAL LORDS on his side and if not for adventurers he would've gotten the other 2 as well. This is probably the worst story telling I've seen out of Blizzard.
@@jsc1jake512 Isnt the only reason you can resist N'Zoth as a player because you wield the empowered heart of azeroth and the black dragonflight cloak imbued with the essences of all the other dragonflights, Wrathion even specifically talks about how the old gods destroyed his father and how intent he is on giving you the capability to resist N'Zoth no matter what, even at the expense of himself as we see in Ny'alotha. I can think of much worst story telling from past expansions than this.
Greymane actually SHOULD have been one to be the aggressor with how he was written during the last expansions. But we can't have that. Alliance needs to be the nice guys. Whatevery they do, it's ok. Whatever the horde does is evil. EEEVIL. I mean, if I think about this expansion, it is just astounding how much is ok for the alliance. Blowing up Vol'Dun, killing alot of innocents? Totally ok. But oh no, the horde gave the San'Layn a chance (even though horde players don't know that), MONSTERS. They kill enemies and drink they blood? Yeah, I see how that is WAY WORSE than blowing up half a zone and killing civilians that are just digging for artefacts... If you think about it, if the horde would have lured out the Alliance to kill Jainas mother (for example), that would have been called cowardly, but if the Alliance does it to kill the Zandalari King? Thats for some reason clever tactics... odd how that works
Gunnar Karotte military hired archaeologists protected by regular army during war and digging for artifacts to either fund war or use them as weapons are not civilians. Its the same as many of Reich’s “archaeologists” who were glorified plunderers and thiefs.
@@Rakshiir Your argument is just as laughable - both sides have committed war crimes, the only difference is that Sylvanas just wanted to kill as many people on both sides and Garrosh was a xenophobic warmonger. So Teldrassil and Theramore never happened right? People who argue one side is more morally righteous than the other sure have short memories. You want to talk about the double standard, go ahead. Don't commit the same fallacy of believing that all the characters have the same motive.
@@Riftimmortal Where did I say the horde didn't commit war crimes? Did I in any part of my post say the horde are in any way better? No, I didn't. They did some terrible things. Although its not like every horde member is to blame for them. But the thing is: the horde gets called out every single time they do something. Is the same true for the Alliance? No. So please, don't interpret anything I didn't say as something I said. Thank you.
@@destrarion the Point is that Tyrande is in constant state of Rage. She's the fury of the Elune. and she simply tries in that moment to restrain herself from shouting at Shandris for siding with Anduin. Basically she's bitter.
@@MrVlad12340 well yeap its normal what im pointing here is she is going as the same path as Maiev Hunted for Her Vengence. What Malfurion said in the Warcraft III ending of the Sentinel Campaign seems deemed to be true for Both Maiev and Tyrande
I still feel that the far more interesting story is what Sargeras and Illidan are doing. What exactly happened to Sargeras? Sargeras is still a titan. He's still FAR more powerful than Illidan who is supposed to be his jailer. What changed to allow the once dead titans to magically stop Sargeras who was supposed to be the strongest of the titans?
To me it never made sense for illidan to stay, since it is the other titans of the pantheon, that keeps Big S and them selfs locked away for what must be a really painful family reunion! Illidan is just there. He can't really do anything.
MagCynic I think Illidan staying wasn’t him keeping Sargeras imprisoned, but more like him committing suicide. He wanted to die the way he always dreamed he would, on the end of Sargeras’s sword.
Dunno why the titans let him stay, but from a story point, I feel it's so that he's there for when the red light in the sky goes out, Illidan can escape and explain what happened to us.
How did anyone at Blizzard think that any of this was gonna work out? It feels like there more thought put into the future expansions than into the current expansion. Entire plot lines are retconned or abandoned for the overly simplified to suit this straightforward and shallow plot. Void Magic, the most powerful and most evil force, can just be controlled now; no big deal. The Jailor is totally a thing now, and has definitely always been the whole time, you guys. I swear. Characters don't need sub plots or overarching stories, cuz it's easier to make them all want the same thing. And they don't need conflict or flaws either, because it's easier to direct all of the conflict towards one already controversial character. Besides Sylvanas and maybe Anduin, you could get rid of anyone else in BFA's plot and it would change nothing. The entire rest of the Alliance might as well be one person. Genn wants the same thing as Tyrande. who wants the same thing as Jes-Tereth, who wants the same thing as Jaina, who used to complex and flawed but now wants the same thing as everyone else. Everyone else in the alliance is either forgotten or shoehorned in whenever Blizzard's feels like it. Even though I think Warlords is a worse expansion, this is definitely the one I 'hate' the most. Change my mind.
"The entire rest of the alliance might as well be one person". Who is Tyrande and Graymane? Characters' who's suspicions against the horde stand in direct conflict with Anduins's desire for peace. That and the fact that we're working with an enormous cast. Every character, and consequently their faction, can't have the spotlight on every expansion. That's just the way it be. Centralizing the threat to one Big Bad is a bad hit of blizzard's and has been for a long time. In early expansions they could fall back on the iconic qualities of their villians. e.g Kel'thuzad, Blackwing and Ragnaros in vanilla, Kael'thas and Illidan in BC, Yogg'Saron and Arthas the Lich King in WotLk, Garrosh Hellscream in MoP was not iconic himself, only by association with his father Grommash who slew the pit Lord Mannoroth to free the orcs from demonic enslavement (iirc the history correctly), did he get some credibility. Thus he had to commit a few atrocities to seem like a valid threat. For legion they could again lean on the iconic Gul'Dan to play the role of main antagonist (I think bringing him back was no small part of the reason behind the time travel plot of WoD) Blizzard has run out of iconic, big name villians of late and attempting to lean on mythic stature the same way, without the context of many years of fandom and lore establishing said villian as suitably mythic, is a good way to get hastily propped up super-villians. Consider how both Garrosh and Sylvanas needed an outsider to boost them in order to be taken seriously as a raid-boss worthy antagonist. Arthas the Lich King didn't need that, neither did Deathwing, Blackwing or Ragnaros. They were suitably menacing all on their own. Old gods btw, while I'm on the subject of villians. Cosmic threats of unimaginable.... Zzzzzzzzz. Warcraft has made cosmic, Eldritch monsters routine and bland. Wtf. At the start of this video I was like "So we did slap N'zoth then I guess? Nice" To get back on track at least a little bit. Calling post-traumatic bloodthirsty Jaina nuanced is...... Certainly an opinion you can have. I won't agree with it. She flipped a switch there and went from peace-broker to warmonger overnight, it didn't sit well with me (Purge of Dalaran, "let's just tsunami Orgrimmar", "dismantle the horde". There's post-trauma revenge passion and then there's calling for the genocide of civilians and militants alike with weaponised natural disasters. She didn't cross that threshold and turn into exactly the thing that caused her to snap, thank the light). The writing style has also changed over the years at Blizzard. Nowhere is this more clear than StarCraft. StarCraft 1 has a winding story with twists and turns, betrayals and grayscale. StarCraft 2 is straight up a space opera with greater on characters than cultures. Not calling one style better or worse but the same shift can be seen imo is you compare the Warcraft RTS;s and vanilla with the WoW of today. Way more operatic and single character-focused. Now I've rambled for long enough with no real point. Maybe that WoW's story is a convoluted mess? It's an MMO, anything else would be a surprise, frankly. Good day to you.
@@jon9828 I agree. And that has been in my Opinion the biggest mistake they made with WoW. They made it canon. I mean, yes. It's one of the most revolutionary games ever made and they don't want to waste that reputation. That's fair. But continuing the story though this new platform where their storytelling doesn't belong was bound to be a disaster. Warcrafts 1-3 have a simple gameplay system, which could be bent and moulded to fit the story they wanted to tell. WOW is the other way around, as the story must fit the gameplay, in all it's triteness. The forsaken will always be Horde, the night elves will always be Alliance, 'good' warlocks will always somehow be a thing. WOW has become Blizzard's Frankenstein monster. It started out as the pinnacle of video gaming, but Blizzard was more concerned with if it could be done, rather than if it should be done.
@@sirbillius Cata's definitely my third least fav expansion. It changed so many things and nobody was ready for them. Even Nobble has made no secret of how much he hates the Ending to Cata.
I love and hate what theyve done with tyrande. I love that shes gotten her teeth back. She has every right to feel the hate that she does, especially with elunes vengeance coursing through her. I dont really want to see her spark another war, as it would seem like a step backwards for her, but it would def spice things up and still kinda make sense
It should have been a small retcon and say that the fourth war has been ongoing since wrath when varian declared war on the horde. All we have had in that time is really cease fires. I don't think there was ever a formal ending of the wars until now.
Around 7:00 when Nobble says, and she decides... I got the hearthstone add with the chicken noises. And I have to say, never has the Banshee queens plans made more sense.
there was a what attack on where?!? Man the Propaganda machine of Gallywix is so phenomenal events are not even "alternative facts" and politicized spin. they just do not exist.
Oh god.. I remember hunting rares on my Hordie and when it came to Brennadam, i went into the basement and without looking at the name/nameplate attacked an elite and 3 low hp NPCs.... Only after killing them did i notice his name was Doc Marrtens ... and those were the wounded he was healing.. I actually had the "Are we the baddies" moment.... Straight up mercilessly murdered civilians, morally gray am i right?
Nobbel, my favorite part of this expansion was the Siege of Dazal'Alor. Do you think Queen Talanji will forgive the Alliance after slaying her father once the deal with Bwonsamdi has been met? This being bring Bwonsamdi the head of Sylvanas, and he will lift the curse Rastakhan had made originally. Obviously, not at first... but what do you think?
@@MrVlad12340 Remember when the legion first showed up 10,000 years ago and committed mass slaughter and attrocites the likes of which of have never been seen before or since? How when that invasion ended it lead to a cataclysmic event that wiped out over 90% of all night elves, with the survivors having to completely reinvent their society? How despite Elune never once doing anything to help the night elves under her own power, Tyrande faith in her goddess was unshaken? Yet the burning of Teldrassal which only at most killed 10-20% of the night elf population, is what has shattered her faith in Elune.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright around 1/3 of their current population died. And they have very low birthrates and no longer immortal which means they can literally die out now.
@@MrVlad12340 I don't have any idea where you got that statistic from, even if we assume that every single night elf on Teldrassil died when it burned down (which we know isn't true) there is still massive night elf settlements in Hyjal, Feralas, and Moonglade, as well as sizeable outposts in Duskwood, Zangamarsh, and Winterspring, on top of that there is likely a large number of "offscreen" night elves that have decided to settle down in the more exotic areas like Northrend, Pandaria, and Outland. Even with accounting refugees from Felwood, Ashenvale, and Darkshore for the 1/3rd of all night elves, than for every night elf living outside Teldrassal there needs to be 2-4 living on the tree, suggesting Teldrassal is veritable night elf metropolis, when we know the opposite is true and the night elves live in a relatively small section of the tree. As for the the birth rate, from what I understand that was caused by the majority of their males and females never interacting, as opposed to any physiological limitation of the night elves, in fact it was implied there was a massive "baby boom" after Warcraft 3 where the loss of the world tree meant night elf males couldn't spend the entirety of their lives sleeping, with the night elf character being one of these "boomers". Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that while the Burning of Teldrassal is bad, I find both the Fanbase and the writers acting like it's the single worst thing to ever happen to the night elves really melodramatic.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright writers literally made a “night elfs were forced to migrate closer and closer to Teldrassil due to Horde encroachment on their lands” point to explain the staggering amount of deaths.
are you implying that Fynn and Shaw are gay? or at least Shaw is? Wasn't it hinted at that Fynn was into Taelia Fordragon? Man I'd feel bad for Shaw if he confesses to Fynn and he's like "sorry bro...I play for the other team :/"
Concidering how Blizzard handled the Hong Kong protestors for the sake of keeping China as a player base it is safe to assume we're not getting a LGBTQ+ character in wow anytime soon, atleast not such a central and important one.
Playing wow's story-lines is like playng ttrpg campaign with bunch of DMPCs. You can do whole lot of work with your PC, but only one credited and doing all of the coolest stuff are those special named characters.
What are all these cutscenes? I recenty came back to WoW and I finished the war campaign on alliance side, but half of these I have'nt seen... It makes sense to me that those I have'nt seen is from the horde perspective, but what of the last one with Shaw and red clad elf lady? The video cleared alot of things up for me but i jsut realize I missed a whole bunch, and I'd like to experience it myself.
What the hell, I missed so may cutscenes..? I'm pretty sure I didn everything, I played through the war campaign but I never got the armistice cutscene? I also never got the conversation with Calia and Lillian Voss, where do I get that? Did I miss a questline?
It's a real shame in my opinion, that this is what the 4th war turned out to be. Every other of the wars who were granted a number changed the political landscape of the world grately, stormwind fell, the horde got dismantled and put in intermate camps etc. If the dark portal opened today it seems we would all fight each other for a few months, thousands lorewise would die, and in the end everybody gets a pat on the back, well done, and back to normal it is.
Yea if only SOMETHING would have politically changed in the 4th war. *cough* no war chief *cough* never happened before *cough* don't mention *cough* the burning of a worldtree *cough*
@@dematyc3876 these events took place, yes. but i still would argue that their impact is potentialy big, but right in it did not change all that much. no war chief but a council which is lead by baine (so a semi war chief?). a burned worldtree, but to what end? when nordrasil burned the immortality of the night elves was lost, cenarius was killed, etc. right now, teldrasil just sits there charred, without any of the consequences even beeing addressed. but that is not what i do mean by a changing of the political landscape. it's just not believable that the alliance would overthrow 2 warchiefs and have theramore bombed and teldrasil burned without finally demanding an occupation of horde territory, or dismantle the horde themselves. this is like, when the horde won the first war, they just left stormwind to the humans again, as long as they switch their king. or the alliance winning the secound war and just letting the horde persist because they promised to not do bad stuff again.
I like how the events of the war between the Alliance and Horde that started in Wrath and wrapped up with Vol'jin's rebellion isn't officially a 'war'..
@Bradley Berdan It was an internal matter. Garrosh’s personal war with the Alliance, fostered by the equally aggressive King Varian Wrynn, culminating in the retaking of Orgrimmar from the rogue Orc and his island bombing coconspirators.
And the horde always starts every conflict, it’s always been clear that blizz loves the alliance, until recently they had way more powerful members even, before sylvannas was super op we had thrall, and thrall, also thrall, the rest was nothing close to tyrande, or malfurion, or velen, etc etc
So if you read tbe dialogue the alliance attacks the goblins before the goblins attacked the adventure guild. Something someone pointed out toe that sadly many people don’t talk about.
Can anyone answer the question of, where the hell is Malfurion? They show Tyrnade super upset and wanting revenge and then speaking for her people. But what of Malfurion? He was present during the raid on darkshore but after that just gone?
Honestly, my favorite story in this expansion if any is Nathanos'. You can see the seeds of doubt being planted as Sylvanas gives crazy orders. Yes, he follows her to the end, but I'm not sure if it will always be that way. Look at his face when Sylvanas says "burn it" it's clear at least to me he's thinking "what?" why else would she have ordered him twice.
Nathanos has been a mindless toon since always, the fact that he hesitated 1 second before committing mass genocide proves nothing to be honest, and let's not even speak about that plot armor in 8.2
@@braules Sorry if I didn't get my point across. What I meant is that the plot isn't there now but Blizz is dropping hints of it. I only chose the Battle for Teldrassil because of the relevance to the video. However, this can also be seen in the Battle of Lordaeron. At the end when he is supposed to plague the city he seems reluctant and it isn't until Sylvanas assures him that he feels committed to doing it. I'm basically saying now, yes he's completely loyal but there does seem to be hints that he doubting her rule if ever so slightly.
Keep seeing "The meeting went well" but there were plenty of cases where the Forsaken were rejected by their families once more. There were positives, but also reminders why the Horde exists.
I recall the 4th War used to be referred to from the start of the Wrathgate incident up through the death of Deathwing. They must've retconned that, cuz when BfA started I was originally calling it the 5th war.
If I not mistaken in Shadows Rising novel [as prequel novel to Shadowlands] we will see the aftermath of Battle for Azeroth +we see Zappy Boi Zekhan in action.
So is there any idea what the REAL outcome of the war was? I would really like to know, since being a Gilnean RPer, I would like to know the status of Gilneas. Has the kingdom been restored? Has Southern Lordaeron, particularly Hillsbrad, been liberated from the Forsaken? What territorial changes have come out of the war? There must have been SOME sort of a settlement, some sort of an agreement, right? They can't have just allowed some very important parts to just hang in the air if peace was to be established, right?
Ion announced in an interview that Calia would NOT lead the Forsaken, and THANK god for that. Source www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2519550-Ion-Calia-won-t-join-the-Horde
I think in that interview they said that Calia will join the Horde not only because of the sympathy of the Forsaken, that is, there is another reason for this decision, for example, she wants to restore some kind of honor to the Forsaken.
@@jetmirpolyakov9241 Nope you clearly need to read. She will NOT join the Horde, and that the situation is complicated, more than likely a split. Calia is an abomination of a character, I'm glad they're not gonna shove her in there randomly. 🙂
11:33 It sure was. I recently levelled my first Alliance Character to 120 and found out that the Horde could have had cool vampire dudes instead of stupid little furries. (I mean ok. San'Layn are basically just very edgy elves but I'd prefer them much over little fox people)
The alliance attacked first. In the book the explorers league was attacked weeks after audiun’s speech. The speech that happened the same day as alliance players getting the quest to kill goblins mining azerothite.
@@cptcrunchynuts4096 if they were there under the horde banner it was. When you attack another nation's people during times of peace its considered an act of war. the goblins didn't provoke any of the alliance and they were mining legally. they happened to come across it first. so yeah, alliance started with the first act of aggression during the war.
I honestly have so many questions then answers I feel like this expac did have lore but in some places rushed or not explained to the players well I feel like I must buy the next book if to understand other things in shadow lands however tho I hope for more great cutscenes
Please let the next expansion be something incredible! Please god let the alliance be the aggressors! It’s a good time now if you ask me. So tyrande will be the next azshara huh? Lor’themar hit that! Nightborne are hotter.
Tyrande is just blizzard doing a Jaina 2.0 arch. The way I see it they are just going to use her to make things rocky between the horde and alliance a la Jaina purging the Sunreavers. Who knows what will happen after that. But unless the narrative of Shadowlands is as all over the place as BFA was I doubt Tyrande will be relevant in the coming conflicts, and her new arch is going to be saved for some time in the another xpac.
If they make the alliance the ones to start the next war and blizzard makes it canon that hey alliance won that one too..I'm quitting. People claim hey blizzard favors Horde...no..no they do not. If they favored us at all they'd of let the story not shine so brightly on the alliance every time and make us of the horde look like untrustworthy villains. If you look at their canon victories it's clear alliance are recorded as winning a lot if not most of them. Sure they give Horde some nice things at times but no.. they clearly favor alliance if only in the lore... so it seems to me lately. If Stormwind burns let it be by tyrande's hand... let there be an internal conflict there...
Icepawthewolf “winning” what? Alliance always gets hit with a genocide or some warcrime atrocity and never gets the chance to fight back properly. Oh sure we came to Orgrimmar... to leave in peace and didnt even damage it. Wow such a victory...
Here a question, Why isn't called 'The Fifth War'? Cuz Pandaria was a warzone and Garrosh killed a whole island of people and that was another huge war between The Alliance and The Horde. So why wasn't that called 'The Fourth War'???
Bring back old faces in shadowlands could go one of two ways; if blizzard could go for the boring fan service route or if they do something like they did in pride of Kul tiras and have some real emotional depth. Imagaine Varian and Anduin for example, despite the lackluster BFA the pride storyline shows they can still write masterpieces when they want to.
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I would follow Tyrande into hell for vengeance against the horde now! Anduin is naive and I hope it's the humans who lose their homes next because of it
And the Worgen Nobbel, don't forget the Worgen, who stood with us Night Elves along with their leader Greymane! True and loyal friends. Elune be praised
Is there a video summarizing the story of Battle for Azeroth? I don't play WoW, but I've tried to follow the story. Now that this expansion is over; what happened?
Thalyssra x Lor'themar and Mathias x Flynn are two ships I wasn't expecting but am very, very glad to see coming to fruition. I'm on the bandwagon, work it.
the Alliance Began the aggression with first the assassination attempt on Sylvanas and her fleet during Legion(Something Blizzard legitimately in before the Storm just brushed over) Continued with sabotage of the mining operations using the SI:7 who was already there before the explorer's league even sat foot there. Now the Actual war as in now it was here, was Started by the Horde as they marched their armies first but it is not like Blizzard couldn't have written a story on a more neutral scale if they wanted to. Another thing to note is that both the Horde and the Alliance continued to mine and weaponize Azerite during the War, the Horde was just quicker and had larger quantities before the race even began thanks to Silithus. We also need to remember that the Alliance was taking active steps in the aftermath of the Battle for Lordaeron to weaken the Horde, to the steps of attacking a Diplomatic ship from Zandalar and captured the Heir to the Zandalari Throne. Invaded the Zandalari Kingdom with a fleet, which was torn to shreds by the Worlds Strongest Fleet of Zandalar it was equal to the Kul'tiran if not surpassed it. Proceeded to make aggressive invasions of Zandalar, before they were even working with the Horde and simply sat up for an invasion of aggression, so the Alliance were not stupid and did the aggression themselves to ensure the Horde did not gain a powerful ally. (Instead they got a weakened Ally) Now a few things to point out as you already did. a lot of the things from the Alliance Campaign just frankly didn't exist in the Horde one. There was never no, mention of Vampires, the Horde killed the intelligent apes leader at the request of a more peaceful one. Only for the Alliance to suddenly find this Giant ape Silver-back and uncover a -corruption- That turned the apes 'evil' Basically, I think that's weak on Blizzard's side. Another thing I also think is to point out how the Alliance actually used -dark- Powers in this war and no one even flinches. -the Void elves resurrect the dead and corrupted wildlife, even animal babies. -Dark Irons summoning denizens from the Fire-lands. - the Light Forge constantly screaming for the Horde to be hunted to Extinction. (Purge) - Tyrande's Night Warriors. Now on to the two war-fronts. Arathi makes sense that the Alliance won that one. Darkshore and Ashenvale however- How? Even if Tyrande was powerful she would still have limited, supplies, soldiers and other means needed to wage war. with the Horde having well superiority in all of those things, atop of that she was fighting the Forsaken which means air-strikes with the Blight would had been more than enough to wipe out Maiev, Tyrande and Malfurion's forces. Sylvanas was mass producing the stuff under Orgrimmar like no-tomorrow. There is no way, she couldn't have frankly wiped out the Night elves forces, by simply gassing all of Darkshore, Ashenvale would had more than enough Lumber for the Horde. So, honestly how did Tyrande win that one?
Warllockmaster asd because you went on an unnecessary long tangent ripe with falsehoods to try and spin the narrative in your favor buuut... as we have it - Night Elfs won Darkshore, Sylvanas is a war criminal and monster who betrayed the Horde and dishonored them for generations (as mentioned in the upcoming book) and Horde themself now want peace.
Warllockmaster asd because void elfs magic used only on animals btw, or dark iron elemental summoning (which Horde did before btw) or more so Nightwarrior ritual are not remotely evil or wrong. While killing civilians, torturing prisoners and committing genocide actually evil. Take Brennadam as shining example of that.
So, if the Third War was the one against Archimond and the Burning Legion, shouldn't the Legion events actually be called the Fourth War, and BoA was the Fifth? Or what about the war against the Scourge? Garrosh & Illidan were on different planets and/or timelines, I wouldn't count those, but surely we had more than 4 wars by now :D
Yeah, well... Now it's confirmed that EVERYTHING Sylvanas said, including motivational speeches and her epic "for the Horde" was all just to keep up the ruse for a while longer. And ain't that just a punch to the balls.
@@MrVlad12340 Because we were told by Blizz themselves that "Don't worry, Sylvannas isn't Garrosh 2.0. Her story includes more nuance and morally grey content." I guess you could make the argument why any of us believed Blizzard in the first place though... Needless to say I'm content with the storyline officially ending after WotLK
@@MrVlad12340 I mean i dont think horde players were oblivious,for those who quested through undead zones should have a clear picture of her.And i would still always choose her side as a sylvanas loyalist.The other side is just the boring worldview of a 12 year old who sees everything in black and white in my opinion.
It doesn't. Some higher up at blizz thought it would be cool gameplay-wise so now we just have to accept it. Yet another example of WoW lore being a bad joke
Technically wouldn't this be the second war of factions as the first two was the same the third was against the legion? Going by Blizzard logic wouldn't this then be the 7th war as they missed the lich king, Garrosh and last legion invasion?
Lore Talk: Teldrasil/Darnassus = meh. Night elves, who lived in Kalimdor for milenia, should've have several big cities throughout the continent and forests. Even considering all that happened since Classic/w3, all the attacks(even cataclysm), some major, more fortifyable cities and towns should be all over there! (Teldrasil was planted just before classic=new, not hugely important) In Warcraft RPG wich may not be canon( a lot of thing from there inspired things in early wow) *Nighthaven* is like Night Elf Capital or their biggest city in Kalimdor. In wow it's laughably misrepresented in scale or pressence. Not just Nighthaven however. For example Ratchet should be the biggest Kalimdor harbor. (2 miles wide at least). In game you can barely tell someone lives there. Theramore while small island is even worse. Even game wise it should be at least as big as Teldrasil or slightly smaller and the fortress itself should probably be bigger than Stormwind.(Would Jaina really get pissed over what would equal to your front lawn?! :D) Yes I know that back than they couldn't make the game that huge and all the locations aren't representative to "true scale". But lorewise making Teldrassil or Darnassus Ne's most important settlements seems really off logic....
The only thing I don't understand is how is this the FOURTH war. I mean if you count it by Alliance vs Horde then Warcraft 3 shouldn't count as Third. And if you count just by war not only Alliance vs Horde then it should be like the 10th war.
![The Story of Ny'alotha, The Waking City [Lore]](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/HC_jrvE5AeE/mqdefault.jpg)
We saved Azeroth!
*Giant sword still embedded in the planet*
To be fair, removing it could prove quite a challenge
*planets on fire* This is fine.
Kingtot Azeroth is actually better off with the sword left where it is. As a reference, I you get stop you should never remove the knife before you have paramedics with you due to an increased blood loss.
We did it Patrick! We saved Azeroth!
It's a planet/titan not a human being
The mak'gora between Saurfang and Sylvanas is one of the most legendary cinematics. I wish the rest of BFA was that impressive.
i was thinking the same while watching this video.
it may have been about the 6th time i see that cinematic, but it still got to me, even when recycled and had bits of it removed.
i'd put it in top 2 at least of warcraft universe's full log of cinematics.
honorable mentions go to the TBC and WoTLK intro cinematics.
you are not prepared was great and so was the father to son pep talk Arthas received while raising Syndragosa.
I found it quite boring tbh.
The entire Saurfang cinematic saga they did was top tier.
lol Tyrande sounds like she has been smoking 2 packs of newports a day for a few years
But but... thats badass...!11!!!1
Atleast thats what Blizzivision thinks.
I think she just inhaled too much of the smoke when Teldrassil burned
@@ayato4743 Oooh burn, nice one xD
@@ayato4743 Too soon, bwahaha.
I think it is due to her being all rage filled and whatnot. No one said a goddess has to have a sweet voice. lol
Dude maive sounds so much worse lol
Poor Gelbin. I think if I were ever described as "seriously injured by Gallywix" I would request the nearest Horde soldier to kill me there and then.
I interpreted the “fourth war” as the moment Varian declared war on the Horde after Wrath Gate until the end of this expansion. It’s a long war and, like any great war, it’s really just a bunch of different but related wars.
I agree, if hostilities never really went away is this even really a different war? I personally do see the fourth war being somewhat a final culmination of all those events in previous expansions. Even Blizzard now seems to agree that the Alliance and Horde need to move beyond this eternal tug-o-war. Because what are they going to do? Have them fight a stalemate war for the 9th time? Only for no clear winner to appear and things go back to normal. BFA pretty much showed even the player base is getting tired of generic H vs A wars.
If there is a conflict they need to make it more that just another "polititcs bad, bad blood, fight!!!!"
This video is ridiculously well put together. Like "When will Blizzard Hire you" Good. Good job Editing. Removed the fluff of BFA and Focus on the Fourth War which was basically the debut pull of the expansion.
Omg Thallystra is really thirsty 😂
She wants that mana tap amirite?
"It is a tale
Told by an idiot, full of sound and fury
Signifying nothing."
- Macbeth
Dis Macbeth homie sound smart. I hope your one of the ones that quit a while back, (D3ish, i know its WoW, but im saying its all garbage now with some really good remakes) that can see the forest through to trees. I was worried that ppl would just stay straight up ignorant, but there have been so many gaming disasters, I think I might be able start up again if u know, the virus doesn't mutate and end the world. my point: WE WILL NEVER GET AMAZING NEW GAMES (or sequels I guess) AGAIN, UNTIL PPL HITTHE WALLETS OF THE EA's LIKE MIKE. QUIT OR PIRATE. FKIT. lol dogmelter. that's a t-shirt i'd buy
damn, the azerite plot rly fell through huh.
Jacob Ojo this whole expansion was a mess. Was excited for a faction war expansion, got yet another old god expansion. Th sold gods are extremely outplayed and boring atm.
Imagine if BFA was like this:
Prepatch is some different event
Siege of Lordaeron is tier 1
BoD is tier 2
Tier 3 would be like Attack on Stormwind or something
Tier 4 is the Burning of Teldrassil. Throughout the expansion the Horde has ravaged the Alliance lands, forcing the Alliance to completely retreat to Teldrassil. The Horde leads a full on assault on Teldrassil. Almost all of the Horde is on Teldrassil fighting. When we defeat/lose the last boss (Horde players would be fighting Alliance “players” (NPCs) and pushing further and further into the Alliance “base” meanwhile alliance fight Horde NPCs and get pushed further and further back) we get a cinematic. The cinematic is Sylavans firing the cannons on Teldrassil, burning the Horde and the Alliance to death together. Boom, everyone’s dead, Shadowlands.
Just something I thought up.
@@kaizouttv I know I'm late, but I have something to add. The ending barely even made any sense, N'Zoth is named FOR A REASON. N'Zoth played a key role in corrupting Deathwing himself and basically masterminded the entire Cataclysm. Now he just gets vaporized by the power of friendship? Sargeras' sword is still stuck in the planet, we didn't save s**t. For some reason we also resisted corruption from N'Zoth himself? that's almost impossible according to lore, he corrupted a dragon who almost broke the world, he corrupted the Night Elves under Azshara into the Naga. He even got two ELEMENTAL LORDS on his side and if not for adventurers he would've gotten the other 2 as well.
This is probably the worst story telling I've seen out of Blizzard.
@@jsc1jake512 Isnt the only reason you can resist N'Zoth as a player because you wield the empowered heart of azeroth and the black dragonflight cloak imbued with the essences of all the other dragonflights, Wrathion even specifically talks about how the old gods destroyed his father and how intent he is on giving you the capability to resist N'Zoth no matter what, even at the expense of himself as we see in Ny'alotha. I can think of much worst story telling from past expansions than this.
@@jsc1jake512 His "Defeat" is so stupid that I doubt that it is gone
Even me as an Alliance Player is hoping for the Alliance to be the aggressors next time.
And oh Lord, Tyrande is giving me hope.
Greymane actually SHOULD have been one to be the aggressor with how he was written during the last expansions. But we can't have that. Alliance needs to be the nice guys. Whatevery they do, it's ok. Whatever the horde does is evil. EEEVIL.
I mean, if I think about this expansion, it is just astounding how much is ok for the alliance. Blowing up Vol'Dun, killing alot of innocents? Totally ok. But oh no, the horde gave the San'Layn a chance (even though horde players don't know that), MONSTERS. They kill enemies and drink they blood? Yeah, I see how that is WAY WORSE than blowing up half a zone and killing civilians that are just digging for artefacts...
If you think about it, if the horde would have lured out the Alliance to kill Jainas mother (for example), that would have been called cowardly, but if the Alliance does it to kill the Zandalari King? Thats for some reason clever tactics... odd how that works
Gunnar Karotte military hired archaeologists protected by regular army during war and digging for artifacts to either fund war or use them as weapons are not civilians. Its the same as many of Reich’s “archaeologists” who were glorified plunderers and thiefs.
I hope there wont be a "next time" because faciton war is shit they hsould get rid of it, everyone is just sick of it
@@Rakshiir Your argument is just as laughable - both sides have committed war crimes, the only difference is that Sylvanas just wanted to kill as many people on both sides and Garrosh was a xenophobic warmonger.
So Teldrassil and Theramore never happened right? People who argue one side is more morally righteous than the other sure have short memories.
You want to talk about the double standard, go ahead. Don't commit the same fallacy of believing that all the characters have the same motive.
@@Riftimmortal Where did I say the horde didn't commit war crimes? Did I in any part of my post say the horde are in any way better? No, I didn't. They did some terrible things. Although its not like every horde member is to blame for them.
But the thing is: the horde gets called out every single time they do something. Is the same true for the Alliance? No.
So please, don't interpret anything I didn't say as something I said. Thank you.
Oh, Tyrande's voice is very different. She had never had a tender voice, but now ...
Ky van Rae now she have a worgen voice ... Hey the rage of Goldrin and the black moon may be the same ?
Illidan could do better
Im hoping for an endgame where all elfleaders are bosses in a raid
Anyone else seeing Tyrande turning into Maiev more and more? Even the voice fits now
@@destrarion the Point is that Tyrande is in constant state of Rage.
She's the fury of the Elune.
and she simply tries in that moment to restrain herself from shouting at Shandris for siding with Anduin.
Basically she's bitter.
A night elf addicted to vengeance where have I heard that before XD
Just "elf" and vengeance describes half the relevant cast
It hits home for her
She could be consumed by it
Diceboxx as if taking vengeance against the Horde is something bad. I shall remind you that Horde deemed burning children alive as “normal”.
@@MrVlad12340 well yeap its normal what im pointing here is she is going as the same path as Maiev Hunted for Her Vengence.
What Malfurion said in the Warcraft III ending of the Sentinel Campaign seems deemed to be true for Both Maiev and Tyrande
in 2 exp when bad boi Illidan return, Tyrande may go cuckold Malf.
they probably should dismantle some of Orgrimmar's defenses if the warchiefs are gonna keep wigging out
I still feel that the far more interesting story is what Sargeras and Illidan are doing. What exactly happened to Sargeras? Sargeras is still a titan. He's still FAR more powerful than Illidan who is supposed to be his jailer. What changed to allow the once dead titans to magically stop Sargeras who was supposed to be the strongest of the titans?
To me it never made sense for illidan to stay, since it is the other titans of the pantheon, that keeps Big S and them selfs locked away for what must be a really painful family reunion! Illidan is just there. He can't really do anything.
I think at some point the red star in the sky will go out and Illidan returns bringing us the news the titans killed Sargeras
The Pantheon is wathing them fighting and they have probably shrinked Sargeras and weakened him.
MagCynic
I think Illidan staying wasn’t him keeping Sargeras imprisoned, but more like him committing suicide. He wanted to die the way he always dreamed he would, on the end of Sargeras’s sword.
Dunno why the titans let him stay, but from a story point, I feel it's so that he's there for when the red light in the sky goes out, Illidan can escape and explain what happened to us.
How did anyone at Blizzard think that any of this was gonna work out?
It feels like there more thought put into the future expansions than into the current expansion.
Entire plot lines are retconned or abandoned for the overly simplified to suit this straightforward and shallow plot.
Void Magic, the most powerful and most evil force, can just be controlled now; no big deal.
The Jailor is totally a thing now, and has definitely always been the whole time, you guys. I swear.
Characters don't need sub plots or overarching stories, cuz it's easier to make them all want the same thing.
And they don't need conflict or flaws either, because it's easier to direct all of the conflict towards one already controversial character.
Besides Sylvanas and maybe Anduin, you could get rid of anyone else in BFA's plot and it would change nothing. The entire rest of the Alliance might as well be one person.
Genn wants the same thing as Tyrande. who wants the same thing as Jes-Tereth, who wants the same thing as Jaina, who used to complex and flawed but now wants the same thing as everyone else.
Everyone else in the alliance is either forgotten or shoehorned in whenever Blizzard's feels like it.
Even though I think Warlords is a worse expansion, this is definitely the one I 'hate' the most.
Change my mind.
"The entire rest of the alliance might as well be one person".
Who is Tyrande and Graymane? Characters' who's suspicions against the horde stand in direct conflict with Anduins's desire for peace. That and the fact that we're working with an enormous cast. Every character, and consequently their faction, can't have the spotlight on every expansion. That's just the way it be.
Centralizing the threat to one Big Bad is a bad hit of blizzard's and has been for a long time. In early expansions they could fall back on the iconic qualities of their villians. e.g Kel'thuzad, Blackwing and Ragnaros in vanilla, Kael'thas and Illidan in BC, Yogg'Saron and Arthas the Lich King in WotLk, Garrosh Hellscream in MoP was not iconic himself, only by association with his father Grommash who slew the pit Lord Mannoroth to free the orcs from demonic enslavement (iirc the history correctly), did he get some credibility. Thus he had to commit a few atrocities to seem like a valid threat. For legion they could again lean on the iconic Gul'Dan to play the role of main antagonist (I think bringing him back was no small part of the reason behind the time travel plot of WoD)
Blizzard has run out of iconic, big name villians of late and attempting to lean on mythic stature the same way, without the context of many years of fandom and lore establishing said villian as suitably mythic, is a good way to get hastily propped up super-villians.
Consider how both Garrosh and Sylvanas needed an outsider to boost them in order to be taken seriously as a raid-boss worthy antagonist. Arthas the Lich King didn't need that, neither did Deathwing, Blackwing or Ragnaros. They were suitably menacing all on their own.
Old gods btw, while I'm on the subject of villians. Cosmic threats of unimaginable.... Zzzzzzzzz.
Warcraft has made cosmic, Eldritch monsters routine and bland. Wtf. At the start of this video I was like "So we did slap N'zoth then I guess? Nice"
To get back on track at least a little bit. Calling post-traumatic bloodthirsty Jaina nuanced is...... Certainly an opinion you can have. I won't agree with it. She flipped a switch there and went from peace-broker to warmonger overnight, it didn't sit well with me (Purge of Dalaran, "let's just tsunami Orgrimmar", "dismantle the horde". There's post-trauma revenge passion and then there's calling for the genocide of civilians and militants alike with weaponised natural disasters. She didn't cross that threshold and turn into exactly the thing that caused her to snap, thank the light).
The writing style has also changed over the years at Blizzard. Nowhere is this more clear than StarCraft. StarCraft 1 has a winding story with twists and turns, betrayals and grayscale. StarCraft 2 is straight up a space opera with greater on characters than cultures.
Not calling one style better or worse but the same shift can be seen imo is you compare the Warcraft RTS;s and vanilla with the WoW of today. Way more operatic and single character-focused.
Now I've rambled for long enough with no real point. Maybe that WoW's story is a convoluted mess? It's an MMO, anything else would be a surprise, frankly.
Good day to you.
@@jon9828 I agree. And that has been in my Opinion the biggest mistake they made with WoW. They made it canon.
I mean, yes. It's one of the most revolutionary games ever made and they don't want to waste that reputation. That's fair.
But continuing the story though this new platform where their storytelling doesn't belong was bound to be a disaster.
Warcrafts 1-3 have a simple gameplay system, which could be bent and moulded to fit the story they wanted to tell.
WOW is the other way around, as the story must fit the gameplay, in all it's triteness.
The forsaken will always be Horde, the night elves will always be Alliance, 'good' warlocks will always somehow be a thing.
WOW has become Blizzard's Frankenstein monster.
It started out as the pinnacle of video gaming, but Blizzard was more concerned with if it could be done, rather than if it should be done.
〈The Nickname〉
I mean I fucking hated Cataclysms story (mostly the ending and green Jesus) but this is even worse.
@@sirbillius Cata's definitely my third least fav expansion. It changed so many things and nobody was ready for them.
Even Nobble has made no secret of how much he hates the Ending to Cata.
But who said Void is the most powerful magic? Void is a conteurpart of Light and both of them are equals in terms of power.
I love and hate what theyve done with tyrande. I love that shes gotten her teeth back. She has every right to feel the hate that she does, especially with elunes vengeance coursing through her. I dont really want to see her spark another war, as it would seem like a step backwards for her, but it would def spice things up and still kinda make sense
If she does then it will be framed as "Senceless vengeance" and not "Rightfull punishment"
That sword STILL has not been removed...
Elves: Elune save us! Have mercy!
Elune: How about I lullaby you guys to death hm?
It should have been a small retcon and say that the fourth war has been ongoing since wrath when varian declared war on the horde. All we have had in that time is really cease fires. I don't think there was ever a formal ending of the wars until now.
Around 7:00 when Nobble says, and she decides... I got the hearthstone add with the chicken noises. And I have to say, never has the Banshee queens plans made more sense.
Nobbel*
Nope.. the Horde alliance with the San'layn was just as hidden from the Horde players as the whole Horde attack on Brannadam was.
there was a what attack on where?!? Man the Propaganda machine of Gallywix is so phenomenal events are not even "alternative facts" and politicized spin. they just do not exist.
@@druid_zephyrus nothing happened in Brennadam Square in Year 33
Oh god.. I remember hunting rares on my Hordie and when it came to Brennadam, i went into the basement and without looking at the name/nameplate attacked an elite and 3 low hp NPCs.... Only after killing them did i notice his name was Doc Marrtens ... and those were the wounded he was healing.. I actually had the "Are we the baddies" moment.... Straight up mercilessly murdered civilians, morally gray am i right?
Nobbel, my favorite part of this expansion was the Siege of Dazal'Alor. Do you think Queen Talanji will forgive the Alliance after slaying her father once the deal with Bwonsamdi has been met? This being bring Bwonsamdi the head of Sylvanas, and he will lift the curse Rastakhan had made originally. Obviously, not at first... but what do you think?
Sad to see saurfang dead after this fail of an expansion. But atleast they gave him an entire series of HQ cinematics to go out in.
Thalysra x Lor’themar is finally happening
Thalysthemar ship is goin stronk
Stan
Honestly, I would love it if Fandral Staghelm shows up in the Shadowlands and calls out Tyrande for being a massive drama queen.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright her people got genocided and her land occupied. What do you expect?
@@MrVlad12340 Remember when the legion first showed up 10,000 years ago and committed mass slaughter and attrocites the likes of which of have never been seen before or since? How when that invasion ended it lead to a cataclysmic event that wiped out over 90% of all night elves, with the survivors having to completely reinvent their society? How despite Elune never once doing anything to help the night elves under her own power, Tyrande faith in her goddess was unshaken? Yet the burning of Teldrassal which only at most killed 10-20% of the night elf population, is what has shattered her faith in Elune.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright around 1/3 of their current population died. And they have very low birthrates and no longer immortal which means they can literally die out now.
@@MrVlad12340 I don't have any idea where you got that statistic from, even if we assume that every single night elf on Teldrassil died when it burned down (which we know isn't true) there is still massive night elf settlements in Hyjal, Feralas, and Moonglade, as well as sizeable outposts in Duskwood, Zangamarsh, and Winterspring, on top of that there is likely a large number of "offscreen" night elves that have decided to settle down in the more exotic areas like Northrend, Pandaria, and Outland. Even with accounting refugees from Felwood, Ashenvale, and Darkshore for the 1/3rd of all night elves, than for every night elf living outside Teldrassal there needs to be 2-4 living on the tree, suggesting Teldrassal is veritable night elf metropolis, when we know the opposite is true and the night elves live in a relatively small section of the tree.
As for the the birth rate, from what I understand that was caused by the majority of their males and females never interacting, as opposed to any physiological limitation of the night elves, in fact it was implied there was a massive "baby boom" after Warcraft 3 where the loss of the world tree meant night elf males couldn't spend the entirety of their lives sleeping, with the night elf character being one of these "boomers". Anyway, the point I am trying to make is that while the Burning of Teldrassal is bad, I find both the Fanbase and the writers acting like it's the single worst thing to ever happen to the night elves really melodramatic.
Chugiakjr The Playwwright writers literally made a “night elfs were forced to migrate closer and closer to Teldrassil due to Horde encroachment on their lands” point to explain the staggering amount of deaths.
What about Flynn's crush on Talia?
He forgot her as soon as he saw Shaw
~love triangle hype~
@@ayato4743 And obviously, Mr. Fairwind will be the bottom
This is my bed time story.... Your voice is soothing keep up the good work
are you implying that Fynn and Shaw are gay? or at least Shaw is? Wasn't it hinted at that Fynn was into Taelia Fordragon? Man I'd feel bad for Shaw if he confesses to Fynn and he's like "sorry bro...I play for the other team :/"
ZetsubouZolo they could always be bi😊
Concidering how Blizzard handled the Hong Kong protestors for the sake of keeping China as a player base it is safe to assume we're not getting a LGBTQ+ character in wow anytime soon, atleast not such a central and important one.
This was a theory for some time, then some more stuff pointed to it being about Valeera.
@@Pelagion98 Concudering hiw suggestive she sounded it would make sense - also Blizzard loves their elf-human ships
@@fredrikbermhed2529 Your wishes have been answered, we got a trans character in shadowlands
Playing wow's story-lines is like playng ttrpg campaign with bunch of DMPCs. You can do whole lot of work with your PC, but only one credited and doing all of the coolest stuff are those special named characters.
Honestly kinda glad I didnt play this one feels like everything happened at the start and then it dragged on with nothing really happening in the war
Uhhh yeah shaw and flynn this is the content i paid for :P
What are all these cutscenes? I recenty came back to WoW and I finished the war campaign on alliance side, but half of these I have'nt seen... It makes sense to me that those I have'nt seen is from the horde perspective, but what of the last one with Shaw and red clad elf lady? The video cleared alot of things up for me but i jsut realize I missed a whole bunch, and I'd like to experience it myself.
What I took from the Fourth War: I was right to fucking hate Sylvannas all these years
What the hell, I missed so may cutscenes..? I'm pretty sure I didn everything, I played through the war campaign but I never got the armistice cutscene? I also never got the conversation with Calia and Lillian Voss, where do I get that? Did I miss a questline?
It's a real shame in my opinion, that this is what the 4th war turned out to be. Every other of the wars who were granted a number changed the political landscape of the world grately, stormwind fell, the horde got dismantled and put in intermate camps etc.
If the dark portal opened today it seems we would all fight each other for a few months, thousands lorewise would die, and in the end everybody gets a pat on the back, well done, and back to normal it is.
Yea if only SOMETHING would have politically changed in the 4th war. *cough* no war chief *cough* never happened before *cough* don't mention *cough* the burning of a worldtree *cough*
@@dematyc3876 these events took place, yes. but i still would argue that their impact is potentialy big, but right in it did not change all that much. no war chief but a council which is lead by baine (so a semi war chief?). a burned worldtree, but to what end? when nordrasil burned the immortality of the night elves was lost, cenarius was killed, etc. right now, teldrasil just sits there charred, without any of the consequences even beeing addressed.
but that is not what i do mean by a changing of the political landscape. it's just not believable that the alliance would overthrow 2 warchiefs and have theramore bombed and teldrasil burned without finally demanding an occupation of horde territory, or dismantle the horde themselves.
this is like, when the horde won the first war, they just left stormwind to the humans again, as long as they switch their king. or the alliance winning the secound war and just letting the horde persist because they promised to not do bad stuff again.
@@Player4Kill ah I misunderstood you then. I do agree with what you are saying in that case.
Haven't play much at all since WoD... Looks like it's pretty much the same with the horde getting shit on at every chance.
Hello everyone.... Aaaaaand I'm smiling. Thanks Nobble ❤️
Nobbel* =(
@@RileyRivalle2 yeah, you're right. Doesn't seem to bother him though. And I'm sure everyone gets what I meant to say 😊
I like how the events of the war between the Alliance and Horde that started in Wrath and wrapped up with Vol'jin's rebellion isn't officially a 'war'..
More of a Cold War then an Open War.
Yeah I know its kinda crazy
i think it was more of a territorial war or just a contested area one then a true world war. so yes a war but not a WAR if you get my meaning.
@@fumarc4501 Strolling though the Southern Barrens would prove otherwise :/ Also, Theramore and Camp Taurajo
@Bradley Berdan It was an internal matter. Garrosh’s personal war with the Alliance, fostered by the equally aggressive King Varian Wrynn, culminating in the retaking of Orgrimmar from the rogue Orc and his island bombing coconspirators.
It almost seem like Blizzard is pretty much anti-Horde these days, lol. Horde lose this battle, and Horde lose that battle; ooof.
I know. It's good to see the shoe on the other foot.
And the horde always starts every conflict, it’s always been clear that blizz loves the alliance, until recently they had way more powerful members even, before sylvannas was super op we had thrall, and thrall, also thrall, the rest was nothing close to tyrande, or malfurion, or velen, etc etc
The song at 08:20 is Sharm ~ Elegy for those who were wondering.
I think it's Kelsey Steelspark that Shaw has his eyes on. After all she really loves knives.
So if you read tbe dialogue the alliance attacks the goblins before the goblins attacked the adventure guild. Something someone pointed out toe that sadly many people don’t talk about.
Can anyone answer the question of, where the hell is Malfurion? They show Tyrnade super upset and wanting revenge and then speaking for her people. But what of Malfurion? He was present during the raid on darkshore but after that just gone?
well he did nearly die. pretty sure fighting sylvanas then getting an axe to a back noped him out of the expansion.
34:10 how are you getting to get these quests? I've done everything and I haven't gotten them
Theyre not quests, just some dialouge at the allied race house in stormwind.
This happens after you defeat Nzoth
@@marcosguedes8885 I have and I never got them
Honestly, my favorite story in this expansion if any is Nathanos'. You can see the seeds of doubt being planted as Sylvanas gives crazy orders. Yes, he follows her to the end, but I'm not sure if it will always be that way. Look at his face when Sylvanas says "burn it" it's clear at least to me he's thinking "what?" why else would she have ordered him twice.
Burning cities during war has been around forever. I don't understand why anyone would be shocked.
Nathanos has been a mindless toon since always, the fact that he hesitated 1 second before committing mass genocide proves nothing to be honest, and let's not even speak about that plot armor in 8.2
@@braules Sorry if I didn't get my point across. What I meant is that the plot isn't there now but Blizz is dropping hints of it. I only chose the Battle for Teldrassil because of the relevance to the video. However, this can also be seen in the Battle of Lordaeron. At the end when he is supposed to plague the city he seems reluctant and it isn't until Sylvanas assures him that he feels committed to doing it. I'm basically saying now, yes he's completely loyal but there does seem to be hints that he doubting her rule if ever so slightly.
Dularr because that was a case of surrendered city, without any army left to defend it and with almost entire night elven population there.
Ryan Dross well in an upcoming book she sends him to kill Bwonsamdi and he obeys her so...
wee i saw u outside siege of boralus earlier today :D huge fan
Keep seeing "The meeting went well" but there were plenty of cases where the Forsaken were rejected by their families once more. There were positives, but also reminders why the Horde exists.
I recall the 4th War used to be referred to from the start of the Wrathgate incident up through the death of Deathwing. They must've retconned that, cuz when BfA started I was originally calling it the 5th war.
dont you mean the 5th war since cataclysm and pandaria was the 4th war and was refered to in game files as the 4th war.
If I not mistaken in Shadows Rising novel [as prequel novel to Shadowlands] we will see the aftermath of Battle for Azeroth +we see Zappy Boi Zekhan in action.
So is there any idea what the REAL outcome of the war was? I would really like to know, since being a Gilnean RPer, I would like to know the status of Gilneas. Has the kingdom been restored? Has Southern Lordaeron, particularly Hillsbrad, been liberated from the Forsaken?
What territorial changes have come out of the war? There must have been SOME sort of a settlement, some sort of an agreement, right? They can't have just allowed some very important parts to just hang in the air if peace was to be established, right?
Your fantastic storytelling makes a fantastic video!
all i remember was allince getting their ass kicked in war mode includeing me :(
Ion announced in an interview that Calia would NOT lead the Forsaken, and THANK god for that. Source
www.mmo-champion.com/threads/2519550-Ion-Calia-won-t-join-the-Horde
I think in that interview they said that Calia will join the Horde not only because of the sympathy of the Forsaken, that is, there is another reason for this decision, for example, she wants to restore some kind of honor to the Forsaken.
@@jetmirpolyakov9241 Nope you clearly need to read. She will NOT join the Horde, and that the situation is complicated, more than likely a split. Calia is an abomination of a character, I'm glad they're not gonna shove her in there randomly. 🙂
What of the Alliance/Horde conflict in Pandaria? Wouldn't that be considered the Fourth War?
Lor'themar and Thalyssra eh? That is a power couple to watch out for!
There was a story...?
Alright dumb question, how do you get the Horde epilogue cutscene? I haven't seen it for the life of me.
kill nzoth!
A new audio drama should be released revolving around the blade of the black empire. Could be a great chance to fix a few things.
Way to remind me there won't be a
Warcraft 4
Flynn and Shaw together? my I am interested
Their not, in the lore Flynn is confirm as straight by Venrik. He says that Flynn has a crush on a girl with "hair like raven's down".
@@renebaan7430 He could be bi i mean :/
Bi is totally the vibes I got from Flynn! Kinda like "if it's sexy and we're both down, let's do it" vibes 😉
I wonder if horde players ever get tired of being the villains.
I LIKE being the villan
Yes, we are, the ones who keep rooting for it are the edgy 12 year olds
Rather both side be morals grey if different ways.
8:20 i cried so goddamn hard.
For the Alliance
Hey, are you ever going to make 'The Story of Thrall'?
11:33 It sure was. I recently levelled my first Alliance Character to 120 and found out that the Horde could have had cool vampire dudes instead of stupid little furries. (I mean ok. San'Layn are basically just very edgy elves but I'd prefer them much over little fox people)
The alliance attacked first. In the book the explorers league was attacked weeks after audiun’s speech. The speech that happened the same day as alliance players getting the quest to kill goblins mining azerothite.
Even during times of peace both factions still had minor skirmishes with eachother, so killing a few fucking goblin miners is hardly an act of war.
@@cptcrunchynuts4096 if they were there under the horde banner it was. When you attack another nation's people during times of peace its considered an act of war. the goblins didn't provoke any of the alliance and they were mining legally. they happened to come across it first.
so yeah, alliance started with the first act of aggression during the war.
I honestly have so many questions then answers I feel like this expac did have lore but in some places rushed or not explained to the players well I feel like I must buy the next book if to understand other things in shadow lands however tho I hope for more great cutscenes
So basically the undead can gain the option of being holy fused or be an elf in the future. I can't wait for the blood nightborne
Please let the next expansion be something incredible!
Please god let the alliance be the aggressors! It’s a good time now if you ask me.
So tyrande will be the next azshara huh?
Lor’themar hit that! Nightborne are hotter.
I wont put my faith in blizzard until I see it.
Nightborne and Blood Elf relations approved!
Tyrande is just blizzard doing a Jaina 2.0 arch. The way I see it they are just going to use her to make things rocky between the horde and alliance a la Jaina purging the Sunreavers. Who knows what will happen after that. But unless the narrative of Shadowlands is as all over the place as BFA was I doubt Tyrande will be relevant in the coming conflicts, and her new arch is going to be saved for some time in the another xpac.
If they make the alliance the ones to start the next war and blizzard makes it canon that hey alliance won that one too..I'm quitting. People claim hey blizzard favors Horde...no..no they do not. If they favored us at all they'd of let the story not shine so brightly on the alliance every time and make us of the horde look like untrustworthy villains. If you look at their canon victories it's clear alliance are recorded as winning a lot if not most of them. Sure they give Horde some nice things at times but no.. they clearly favor alliance if only in the lore... so it seems to me lately. If Stormwind burns let it be by tyrande's hand... let there be an internal conflict there...
Icepawthewolf “winning” what? Alliance always gets hit with a genocide or some warcrime atrocity and never gets the chance to fight back properly. Oh sure we came to Orgrimmar... to leave in peace and didnt even damage it. Wow such a victory...
Here a question, Why isn't called 'The Fifth War'? Cuz Pandaria was a warzone and Garrosh killed a whole island of people and that was another huge war between The Alliance and The Horde. So why wasn't that called 'The Fourth War'???
Bring back old faces in shadowlands could go one of two ways; if blizzard could go for the boring fan service route or if they do something like they did in pride of Kul tiras and have some real emotional depth. Imagaine Varian and Anduin for example, despite the lackluster BFA the pride storyline shows they can still write masterpieces when they want to.
we need more fan service More jiggle and bounce less armor
I know it's not a popular opinion, but I would follow Tyrande into hell for vengeance against the horde now! Anduin is naive and I hope it's the humans who lose their homes next because of it
And the Worgen Nobbel, don't forget the Worgen, who stood with us Night Elves along with their leader Greymane! True and loyal friends. Elune be praised
Is there a video summarizing the story of Battle for Azeroth? I don't play WoW, but I've tried to follow the story. Now that this expansion is over; what happened?
Yes! th-cam.com/video/4MvBzVfJPz8/w-d-xo.html
Nothing worth remembering honestly.
I would have thought the 4th was classic wow and this was the 5th
so we have alliance forsaken lead by calia and horde by voss and pandarens were always outcast in cinematics :D now its vulperas :D
no ,calia quenn forsaken by a Horde
I saw the thumbnail and was wondering what the deal was with Sylvannas and her short blue ear.
WE DID IT PATRICK!! WE SAVED AZEROTH!!
*Looks at the big sword in Sillithus* Umm....Shadowlands!!!
Those animations in the 8.3 cutscenes though.
so are the undead leaving the horde? cause it would make no fucking sense for calia to join the horde
Maybe a split between pro horde andl
pro alliance?
Why is this the 4th war? It lasted one expansion. What about the War with Garrosh that started in Wrath and didn't end till MoP
Thalyssra x Lor'themar and Mathias x Flynn are two ships I wasn't expecting but am very, very glad to see coming to fruition. I'm on the bandwagon, work it.
Even with Nobbel's masterful storytelling, this Sylvanas storyline sound like such crap... I really don't understand how anyone signed off on this
Do we know who Flynn’s father is? I mean, could it be Shaw?
the Alliance Began the aggression with first the assassination attempt on Sylvanas and her fleet during Legion(Something Blizzard legitimately in before the Storm just brushed over)
Continued with sabotage of the mining operations using the SI:7 who was already there before the explorer's league even sat foot there.
Now the Actual war as in now it was here, was Started by the Horde as they marched their armies first but it is not like Blizzard couldn't have written a story on a more neutral scale if they wanted to.
Another thing to note is that both the Horde and the Alliance continued to mine and weaponize Azerite during the War, the Horde was just quicker and had larger quantities before the race even began thanks to Silithus.
We also need to remember that the Alliance was taking active steps in the aftermath of the Battle for Lordaeron to weaken the Horde, to the steps of attacking a Diplomatic ship from Zandalar and captured the Heir to the Zandalari Throne.
Invaded the Zandalari Kingdom with a fleet, which was torn to shreds by the Worlds Strongest Fleet of Zandalar it was equal to the Kul'tiran if not surpassed it.
Proceeded to make aggressive invasions of Zandalar, before they were even working with the Horde and simply sat up for an invasion of aggression, so the Alliance were not stupid and did the aggression themselves to ensure the Horde did not gain a powerful ally. (Instead they got a weakened Ally)
Now a few things to point out as you already did.
a lot of the things from the Alliance Campaign just frankly didn't exist in the Horde one.
There was never no, mention of Vampires, the Horde killed the intelligent apes leader at the request of a more peaceful one.
Only for the Alliance to suddenly find this Giant ape Silver-back and uncover a -corruption-
That turned the apes 'evil'
Basically, I think that's weak on Blizzard's side.
Another thing I also think is to point out how the Alliance actually used -dark-
Powers in this war and no one even flinches.
-the Void elves resurrect the dead and corrupted wildlife, even animal babies.
-Dark Irons summoning denizens from the Fire-lands.
- the Light Forge constantly screaming for the Horde to be hunted to Extinction. (Purge)
- Tyrande's Night Warriors.
Now on to the two war-fronts.
Arathi makes sense that the Alliance won that one.
Darkshore and Ashenvale however- How?
Even if Tyrande was powerful she would still have limited, supplies, soldiers and other means needed to wage war.
with the Horde having well superiority in all of those things, atop of that she was fighting the Forsaken which means air-strikes with the Blight would had been more than enough to wipe out Maiev, Tyrande and Malfurion's forces.
Sylvanas was mass producing the stuff under Orgrimmar like no-tomorrow.
There is no way, she couldn't have frankly wiped out the Night elves forces, by simply gassing all of Darkshore, Ashenvale would had more than enough Lumber for the Horde.
So, honestly how did Tyrande win that one?
Warllockmaster asd because you went on an unnecessary long tangent ripe with falsehoods to try and spin the narrative in your favor buuut... as we have it - Night Elfs won Darkshore, Sylvanas is a war criminal and monster who betrayed the Horde and dishonored them for generations (as mentioned in the upcoming book) and Horde themself now want peace.
@@MrVlad12340 what exactly is false of what was mentioned here then?
Go on.
Warllockmaster asd you think i should go on a similar tangent only to be later dragged into a pointless “no u” style argument by another horde poster?
@@MrVlad12340 you just made an accusation, yes I expect you tp present your argument for such.
So, go on.
What was false?
Warllockmaster asd because void elfs magic used only on animals btw, or dark iron elemental summoning (which Horde did before btw) or more so Nightwarrior ritual are not remotely evil or wrong. While killing civilians, torturing prisoners and committing genocide actually evil. Take Brennadam as shining example of that.
So, if the Third War was the one against Archimond and the Burning Legion, shouldn't the Legion events actually be called the Fourth War, and BoA was the Fifth? Or what about the war against the Scourge? Garrosh & Illidan were on different planets and/or timelines, I wouldn't count those, but surely we had more than 4 wars by now :D
What’s the name of the Elune sleep song
How Anduin gonna promise to get Teldrassil back before Gilneas?
always wondered what's the intro song for these videos
Sylvanas: "And we have forgotten what makes us strong."
Thrall: "This is what makes us strong. All of us, building a new future -- together."
Yeah, well... Now it's confirmed that EVERYTHING Sylvanas said, including motivational speeches and her epic "for the Horde" was all just to keep up the ruse for a while longer. And ain't that just a punch to the balls.
Riley Rivalle thats exactly what she is - a lying, deceitful bitch. I dont understand why Horde players were so oblivious to her obvious ruse.
@@MrVlad12340 Because we were told by Blizz themselves that "Don't worry, Sylvannas isn't Garrosh 2.0. Her story includes more nuance and morally grey content."
I guess you could make the argument why any of us believed Blizzard in the first place though...
Needless to say I'm content with the storyline officially ending after WotLK
@@MrVlad12340 I mean i dont think horde players were oblivious,for those who quested through undead zones should have a clear picture of her.And i would still always choose her side as a sylvanas loyalist.The other side is just the boring worldview of a 12 year old who sees everything in black and white in my opinion.
Cringe, what happened to blood and thunder?
Great video
How can i play the part at 32:18 with thalryssa and Lorthemar?
That's part of the nightborne allied recruitment quest: www.wowhead.com/nightborne-allied-race
What's the name of the song by Sharm?
Took awhile of listening to all her songs, but its Sharm ~ Elegy
hmmm, Lilian reminds me of Zagara from sc2 lmao
Imagine if nobbel worked on blizzard lore, instead of that guy who self inserted as Nathaniel blight caller
How does a lightforged undead make sense? I thought the light causes agony to anyone afflicted by undeath.
It doesn't. Some higher up at blizz thought it would be cool gameplay-wise so now we just have to accept it. Yet another example of WoW lore being a bad joke
Technically wouldn't this be the second war of factions as the first two was the same the third was against the legion? Going by Blizzard logic wouldn't this then be the 7th war as they missed the lich king, Garrosh and last legion invasion?
It makes 0 sense to call it the 4th war but that is what blizzard calls it for some reason
Lore Talk:
Teldrasil/Darnassus = meh. Night elves, who lived in Kalimdor for milenia, should've have several big cities throughout the continent and forests. Even considering all that happened since Classic/w3, all the attacks(even cataclysm), some major, more fortifyable cities and towns should be all over there! (Teldrasil was planted just before classic=new, not hugely important) In Warcraft RPG wich may not be canon( a lot of thing from there inspired things in early wow) *Nighthaven* is like Night Elf Capital or their biggest city in Kalimdor. In wow it's laughably misrepresented in scale or pressence. Not just Nighthaven however. For example Ratchet should be the biggest Kalimdor harbor. (2 miles wide at least). In game you can barely tell someone lives there. Theramore while small island is even worse. Even game wise it should be at least as big as Teldrasil or slightly smaller and the fortress itself should probably be bigger than Stormwind.(Would Jaina really get pissed over what would equal to your front lawn?! :D) Yes I know that back than they couldn't make the game that huge and all the locations aren't representative to "true scale". But lorewise making Teldrassil or Darnassus Ne's most important settlements seems really off logic....
Am I the only one who thinks Illidan will be really turned on by Tyrande's vengeance talk?
The only thing I don't understand is how is this the FOURTH war. I mean if you count it by Alliance vs Horde then Warcraft 3 shouldn't count as Third. And if you count just by war not only Alliance vs Horde then it should be like the 10th war.