After experiencing the link episodes, I'd rather have 0 party member social links, or at the very least rework their social links to be more like link episodes where they're only available after certain plot points. My biggest problem with a lot of the social links is that they kind of have to be in a time bubble, and so it feels like most of the party members get no character development in the game. I love characters like Ann, Chie, and Kanji, but like 90% of that love comes from when they are story relevant before their characters just stay flat. Link episodes get to be relevant to the story, helped by the writing giving all the characters (except Koromaru) multiple character moments throughout the whole game and not just when they are introduced.
P6 should make the outside of the party links Social Links with P5 style benefits while party members get the Reload style Linked Episodes with the P4 benefits and also include a unique ability for whoever you chose to romance.
Honestly it makes me not even want SL for the party because I feel like persona 3 does a way better job of making its cast feel like characters rather than your friends. In 4 and 5 it feels like the cast cannot function without the MC and most of them don’t really feel relevant after their initial arc.
@@TheHomiErikthe whole p4 and 5 cast revolves around MC is such an overharped point I’m so tired of seeing P3 fans bringing up that and then think their spittin fax , it’s really not the case like at all hell especially for P5 Nijima is the one that actually feels like the leader more than Joker himself you P3 fanboys act like Sees also don’t revolve around their party leader Makoto
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction what if your just a blind P3 fanboy that based their entire account about it , obviously your going to think their spittin when your brain is so severely damaged with P3 brain rot, also why tf is the main character and leader of a game to take an important role of uniting a cast viewd as such a bad thing y’all sound so dumb by trying to make it sound like a bad thing to begin with
3, 4 and 5 all have their various strengths and weaknesses that set them apart, as well as an individual charm that can be highlighted for each. That said, 5 has by far the best game design, really in every aspect. Reload is a great game, but it is still largely a project seeking to update and approximate what 5 did from the start (with improvements in Royal). We've yet to see the true next level jump that I hope takes precedent in the dev cycle of P6.
Aside from the awesome presentation I can't stand P5 palaces. The game holds your hand every step and tells you what to do. Just piss off and let me do my thing. Don't get me started on Morgana outside the palaces.... Fml Easily prefer the dungeons in P4G and even Tartarus in reloaded.
Man I gotta hard agree. Thinking back on it, I don't even really like any of the palaces, except maybe futaba, shido, maruki. It's always a damn drag and everyone yaps so damn much, and the puzzles are hardly puzzles when they tell you the answers. The only real puzzle would probably be that space chute airlock puzzle
I think having SLinks having a mandatory roadblock until you reach a certain part of the story also eases the pressure on players that feel paralysed by choice when ir comes to decide on who to hang out with when you have a lot of active SLinks. Unrelated, i always liked the Reload dorm theme more cause I reeeeeally didn't like the original. The reload dorm theme sounds like Lotus Juice is actually rapping instead of just saying random shit with no flow. Constipated-ass rap.
Great vid, IMO I’d say P3 Reload clears base P5 and P4 Golden. I think for me Maruki just hits so hard that I gotta give it up to P5R. His character and story is just so masterfully done and he leaves a lasting impression especially after the first playthrough. IMO None of the persona games are the greatest with the execution of storytelling and character evolution to be honest, so the third semester was quite impressive for me. Also, the P3 Reload music absolutely slaps but I still think P5R clears. The jazz infusion and the overall artistic direction was just so creative and fit so well. overall the creativity across the board for P5 still blows my mind. in terms of social link quality, none of the games obviously stick out as the best for me personally
I will glaze Maruki every chance I get if it's within the discussion of P5R. Love that man and his voice actor (rip) that being said though I still prefer Reloads ending over Royals, the whole sequence was just so beautiful to me and executed the themes of memento mori / memento vivere insanely well
@@anon3600Hey that's absolutely completely fair. I also adore the ending of P3R the most even tho P5R stills clears for me overall. It's really nice to read Persona fan comments that don't immediately shit on the game they don't prefer the most, as if it's not subjective and they're only allowed to like 1 game.
My hot take that P3R has better soundtrack/background music when seeing it as background music. and the high points like the opening, nighttime theme, and battle theme are fire. But if they aren’t one of the 4 or 5 songs in that goat tier, they are getting blown the fuck out of the water by most of 4 and 5s soundtrack
Guys guys they won't get it cause the songs are remix from 2000s style music, It won't translate to newer music Styles especially if you didn't grow up in that music era
I envy you. Play persona 5 royal, you’ll love it. And If I were you, I’d wait for the remake of p4, which appears to be in the makes. P4g is *playable* for some people, but since p3r is your first game I’d just entertain myself with p3r and The Answer DLC coming out soon and persona 5 royal and its spinoffs.
i agree with best story and characters, but P5 is definitely has best gameplay . Many places to explore, confidant benefits, minigames, unique palaces, etc. But yeah P3R still superior
As much as i loved this remake persona 4 golden will always be my favorite persona game. I was into the story right away, and the characters in this game are by far my favorites. (Naoto, Nanako, and Kanji especially), persona 4 golden also has the best anime hands down 😊
Same here everyone in the world always raves about P3 for having best story best character development yada yada yada and I just really can’t see it, like I acknowledge that it does have more character development that’s integrated in the main plot than the others but that in itself doesn’t do much for me when I find a lot of the sees characters themselves pretty dam boring and uninteresting also P3 undeniably has glaring pacing issues in the main plot that P4 and 5 simply don’t
@@Gael-xp4fkYea p3 has a sloggy start imo. The one character i actually felt attachment to...well you know what happens to him...and the social links were meh except sun. I enjoyed it but the story doesnt start picking up till late june/july. Not once do i feel like p4 slogs. EVERY SINGLE interaction with other characters and events are pure gold.
@@marissarae3882l would agree if it was vanilla P4 but the beginning of P4 is slow af and later on Golden felt like they shoved in a bunch of filler episodes to the point where I forgot there was a plot but still an awesome game.
Persona 3 Reload was such an amazing game. The story of accepting death felt more a mature story and it kept me interested. The characters were sooo good Junpei character development was amazing how much he changed, The social link episodes were nice cuz they connect to the story and that connects to the game more
The death message is cool but I find it to be pretty overhyped in the community P5s story about vigilantes taking down society’s scum is also a mature subject and so is P4s coming of age story about your identity
I gotta agree, when first playing 3r coming off 5r, I was kinda not feeling it. I think it was after the first full moon when I realized, ahh it's showing the moon because it's important.
I think something that's super good about p5's walls of text isn't that bad cause it's most ppls persona game. So p3r being people's 2nd persona and it's more to the point it makes alot more sense. I only played these 2 games and I love both near equally.
I disagree about P3 being the best,Strega and Ikutski are NOT good antagonists their actually the worst most lame ones across the series,it suffers from having really bad pacing, Tartarus is still the most monotonous dungeon crawler, Characters dying doesn’t automatically make it good writing for character development and P3 leans on this trope way to much, Persona is first and foremost all about its characters and I always find myself enjoying P4 cast way more call it yapping all you want but I just love seeing my favorite characters interact even if it is just shenanigans
1.The villains are not the end all be all for the plot and they do a serviceable job, the plot first and foremost focuses on the characters personal struggles. 2. Valid criticism but that only pertains to the beginning and people's attention span for playing multiple games in the modern age is the only real problem because not many had that issue back then. 3.Valid complaint Tartarus isn't for everybody. 4. Characters dying is capitalizing on the world of P3 where everything can't be peaches and rainbows even if they try ignore it, the game is literally about the inevitability of death and to cherish life and it's done well. 5. S.E.E.S is a great cast of characters, I personally value their family through trails dynamic way more than friendship but there are characters and groups that can resonate with anyone in Persona.
Totally agree, all that yapping is the fault of persona 5 and 4 a little bit. Morgana is not only his own character but also in a roundabout way the inner thoughts of the protagonist…. Leading to constant talking and ultimately that cat not learning when to stfu.
I loved Persona 3 reload. however there two minor issues for me -The game was far easy(even on the hardest difficulty), to the point it impacted the enjoyment of the game. The last three bosses should have had two actions every turn. i personally think the baton pass or shift cannot be balanced and make battles way to easy. i felt like i trying to force myself not level to keep it kind of challanging however couldn't because of the required money grinding. For me aliments didn't feel like a threat at all, perhaps wide area aliment healing is easy to access. It felt like i wasn't hit by charm at all compared to the orginal game. Ultimate attacks were a cool addtion however they were way to easy to access, also making them ignore resistences removed alot of challange in battle. Persona 5 was also very easy, i do hope they make future games more challangng. There were times it felt like the enemy was ignoring the protag that trying to kill him, the only time i felt any threat was the instant kill spells. - The opening scene and the main protag awakening - I felt these were very less impactful compared to the orginal for me. I think adding speaking to yukari opening scene with the evoker 100% made it less impactful. I remember seeing it for the first time in persona 3 FES and i was WTF is going on. I can't quite put my finger on what my issue with them is, maybe they felt rushed?
I found P3R to be pretty difficult and they definitely aim for the protag or Yukari every chance they got, they also made grinding a non issue because from my experience there was clear level cap and if you just went through Tartarus fighting shadows you see then moving on you get the perfect levels you need. Then again I don't really constitute dying over and over and having fights take two hours long to be difficult more just an annoyance that's through being a damage sponge with unreasonable damage spikes.
I feel you, that's why in late game I tried doing all the fights alone with no party members and it was really fun. Despite being LV 99 with Messiah, Helel, Satan and Lucifer; Takaya beat me twice and I almost lost to Nyx if it wasn't for enduring soul. In regards to the awakening and the intro... yeah they were good but lacked the grungy aesthetic and masterful storyboarding but it made me appreciate more the original when I saw them playing FES for the first time, so I'm grateful for that.
I think the game is pretty easy at times but I feel like I get hit by ailments a lot especially Charm, distress and fear. Ken keeps fucking running away in battle
Persona 3 Reload ruined the atmosphere of the game and really made a lot of the scenes way less impactful. How does fes have better lighting than reload in an engine known for its excellent lighting? It’s hard to tell if it’s day or night in iwatodai until you look out the window or you go outside. In fes it is very distinct. They did not add anything to the main story, some movie scenes could’ve been easily added and in my opinion, the movies had done a lot of scenes better in comparison to the original story. Aigis attempting to kill Ryoji was a really nice touch in the movie when he gives makoto the choice to kill him or keep him alive. The combat is much more 1 dimensional and limiting compared to fes. Even with the ai party members it is the persona game with the most skillful, deepest and expressive combat. They made it a stat simulator, I was able to beat the game at lvl 51 and Elizabeth at lvl 81 with little difficulty. Little things such as makoto not being able to equip every human weapon or the removal of many options of the tactics system (yes I beat the game with ai party members fight me) is weird to me and frankly annoying. Reload is overall a better game but fes still gives you the best persona 3 experience by far.
Persona 3 Reload and Persona 5 for me are equal. P3 has better cast, dialogues, heavier more mature themes, plot twists are crazier and have balls. P5 has better dungeons, I like P5 combat system where you can choose different characters on the run and all of them are getting level up equally (while in P3 you have to grind and left most party members behind). P3 in my opinion can be played twice because of its plot snips here and there to understand the story more from the beginning, in P5 is pretty much nothing else to see on second run.
Like I said to someone else, the game is fantastic, but I do think people are riding a recency bias train. I 100000% think the cast is better, the game fixes 90% of P5's issues and combines it with P3's amazing story and cast, making it the best game overall (because it's the newest rendition of an already great game, along with them changing things based on feedback from P5). HOWEVER, Akechi is still the greatest Persona character written so...yknow. Edit: i also forgot, Maruki as a villain kinda clears every persona villain still. I think Nyx / spoiler name character is pretty damn close though.
i think the biggest flaw of p3 is that the game takes TOO LONG to start to get actually good, i mean to even start to get close to the p5 intro level of quality it takes 40+ hours, that and the game doesnt have any cool awakening or cool anime/in engine cutscenes at all
I am almost done with NG+ on P3 and I could not complete the achievement of maxing all social links by ONE DAY. I did almost everything diligently every day, prioritised Kenji, Miyamoto and Bunkichi at first, clearing Tanaka as soon as I could, same thing with Mutatsu, I alternated the Sundays between Maya and Akinari, I did the gourmet king and swapped it with Maiko before all the other clubs start, Hayase left it on the bench for a while but when it came to the art club, Bebe, Odagiri and Yoko I truly struggled to organise everything properly. First waifu on Chihiro was secured and once I could start Fuuka, Yukari and Mituru's links I speed ran it to max in two months. However, when December arrived, winter finals, the Kyoto trip and then Christmas I ended up losing time I didn't realise I did not have. Then January came in, Aigis social link started and I still had Bebe, the Art club and Odagiri at around 5, all of them. Now I'm standing at the last day of January before dealing the end game and I left Bebe on level 9... so close yet so far. Now I need to do ANOTHER run in NG++ to finally max everything. This is also taking into account I had to turn down Junpei and Akihiko activities, I could not do more than 3 activities with Koromaru because the amount of social links during the day is overwhelming, sometimes is just too much and then you're at night with no chance to work, no activity to raise the social stats because are already on max, your team already got all gauges so you only burn time with no real benefit.
Damn I’m in September and still haven’t started Fuuka, Yukari or Mitsuru. Do you think I can at least max those three out before the game ends? Or am I gonna have to new game plus it as well?
Remember you must have max courage, charm and academics to start their confidant. On the first run you can do all three of them easily but you will have to turn down other social links to work them up. Mitsuru's social link starts after the Kyoto trip so that gives you enough time to work the academics to max during the night by going to the arcade or eating the bowl. Courage is the easiest stat to max to you will not have issues with fuuka and Yukari will take some time because charm is tricky to raise after level 5, you will not find enough activities to raise your charm effectively. You can easily max the three of them without going to NG+ before January where the Aigis confidant begins so you can alternate between whatever one you have left from them three and Aigis but, if you want the achievement or you want to fusion the... best version of orpheus to battle Elizabeth you must go through NG+ and max everything.@@SuperNintendro-lx1pc
I‘m 40 hours in and have to push myself to continue, it‘s so (and I hate to use this word with a Persona game) boring. The only things that stood out to me so far were the playground girl‘s social link and the vacation island trip. But even with that, as soon as Aigis was revealed as the mysterious "shadow fighting machine" I was rolling my eyes, like when does this story get serious?
persona 3 is beautiful. it has a very profound story but it requires patience to absorb. thematically it beats p4 and p5, of course it’s all subjective but a lot of people recognize this for a reason, its messages feel way more relatable
P3 definitely has the best story and characters for me. But I will say, P5's gameplay is better for a first playthrough because of the unique palaces and a couple minigames to play. However, I think P3R's gameplay is WAY batter for a NG+ or casual playthrough. Like you said, there's way less yapping and you can get into the actual gameplay loop much quicker, and also the palaces have a lot of gimmicks to them and scripted moments that slow the gameplay down, which become annoying when you're just trying to play the game for the battles. Not to mention the novelty of the palaces will have worn off by a second playthrough. Tartarus is way less hand-holding, so it's much easier to hop in there and actually play the game.
I’m about 70 hours in right now around the September date in game and while I like that certain things about the plot has been revealed, the game still feels like a drag. The story’s just missing that secret sauce that I felt persona 5 royal perfected. Maybe I have a short attention span or something but half way point for persona 5 with the whole futaba arc, felt way more impactful than the half way point for P3 reload. The social links for this game however are far more superior than persona 4 and 5
It's canon filler, yeah it happens but the characters basically reset to how they are in the base story which makes it feel separated whereas the link episodes directly involved both story and relationship with the protag.
Honestly it’s really a tossup between 3 and 5 since there’s just some things that one does that is done significantly better in the other. Truthfully I highly recommend 5 as a "First Persona" since it has a great hook and better gameplay than 3. 3 however CLEARS social links wise and while the main plot does take a good fucking while to start (I’m guilty of dropping FES for awhile around after Fukka joins.) When the plot finally finishes cooking it’s not but 5/5 gourmet meals to the end.🧑🏿🍳💋
I can't personally see why people like the story in this game more than four or five. It feels very slow, character's dying doesn't just make a story good for me, especially when there's no time to care about said characters. But I can understand people liking the cast and why this game might be their favorite because of that. But for me, I think even base p5 is better than p3r to me.
Well said 👌and your absolutely correct P3s plot takes its sweet SWEET time getting to the good stuff (like not until September/October ish long). I thought I was the only person in the persona fandom that also thought character death doesn’t = good writing by default, deaths like chidori and Especially Shinji always struck me as contrived plot devices to boost another characters so called development (Junpei and Akihiko) character death is the most generic way to boost character development imo. P3s plot progression goes off like the literal letter U < starts off strong and ends really strong but the middle portion left ALOT to be desired
@@Gael-xp4fk The death in Persona 3 is simply capitalizing on how dangerous their world is in it's current state and how stressful their task of eliminating the Dark Hour really is. P4 and P5 doesn't have that same level of ambient danger and how close it is to you so for those stories it's only used for what IS and who is causing the situation to BE dangerous rather than in P3 where the characters have to be on constant high alert for those becoming The Lost and Strega who aims to stop you because they value their power over people's lives.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction P4 and 5 does have that same level of ambient danger your just trying to undermine them at all times just to make it seem like p3 is so much better when in reality it’s not you can do all the mental gymnastics all you want to justify the contrived deaths for forced character development all you want but it’s still the most boring and cliche way to character development
@@Gael-xp4fk Well in every comment thread I've seen from you so far you've been just trying put P3 down in the dirt because you don't like it and kissing the feet of P4 and P5 acting like THOSE are on some pedestal making you no better than the people you criticize. I give all of the games theirs props where it's due cause I love all of em but no, the others do not have that same sense of danger, half the time they are more focused on the group shenanigans and it isn't given nearly the same level of attention which is fine for those stories. However if you think death is lame to use for character development than why does it have such a big influence on so many people dealing with that very thing through media like this, Naruto, Nier, even those other games? Plus you know what's worse than Death for character development? Doing what P5 does with it's most important characters and using death as character development just to backtrack on it for some cruel joke detracting on all levels of impact it could ever have.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction this guy really mentioned Naruto for death development lol as for Nier idk I think replicant is the best one and it doesn’t really use contrived deaths for development the main cast are all still alive by the end that’s a perfect example of doing good character development without needing to rely on the death trope
I'm at around 10/30 right now and as much as I wanted to come into game this absolutely loving it, it is still nowhere near beating my Persona 5 Royal and even base P5 experience. I would put it ahead of P4G right now though because I can see myself getting more invested into the story during the third act. Without major spoilers, the 10/4 incident was something I also came into the game vaguely knowing about and given the person it revolved around was a character I knew I'd enjoy with more time it actually ended up feeling extremely lackluster. I can tell there's good in this game and even great in parts, but there's so much that just keeps me from bridging that gap currently. i guess my biggest problem with the game so far is I really can't see what people are so invested and emotionally charged over about yet. The only aspect that P3R has beaten the others in for me so far is arguably the story but even that feels too contrived and scattered for me to fully care yet. I'm really hoping to be proven wrong in the end but only time will tell.
So to be fair, I think Persona 4 and 5 are still really good games, if only dragged down by a few factors. In P4's its the age of the game and definitely how some of the characters are written at times that while not one thing is egregious its a 'death by a thousand cuts' that puts a damper on an otherwise good experience. Persona 5 on the other hand is brought down by one major arc that that is so cringe and bad it really brings down the rest of the game's enjoyment imo.
Why is it putting a damper on the experience I freakin love the shenanigans that investigation team are always up to, get your pseudo “death by a thousand cuts” bs outta here lol P5 and especially P3 also have a thousand cuts worth of issues let’s not pretend like their perfect 😂
@@Gael-xp4fk As a group, I think the dynamic works well, but individually i think I only like only half of the playable party members. Yukiko I find to have a rather boring social link, and her character feels like the stock 'yamato nadeshiko' without not much to make her interesting. Teddie has SOME good points, but his behaviour with the female characters on the team is fucking disgusting. And not even the male and female members dont take the time to correct what he is doing. Yosuke is the one being the most contentious because he starts off strong and is actually rather intelligent for the best friend, but him doing disgusting shit like what he does on the camping trip and signing up all the girls in the beauty pageant without their consent. Of course there is the huge elephant in the room with his homophobia and gives Kanji unwarranted bullshit and the game is making you be on his side. Also for supposedly being a bunch of friends, most of them kind of do rather scummy and shitty things to each other, and the story plays this for laughs and I'm like "okay game, whatever " Theres also a few other things with the game in general that go with that 'death by thousand cuts' (gameplay, pacing, etc) statement so it the original comment of just the characters is a bit hyperbolic but that's how I feel on it. Not shitting on you if you like P4 at all. But those are my honest feelings and critiques of it
@@tanakoskyler-thetabletopsh377 the only character that treat each other kinda bad are Chie and Yosuke every persona game has 2 characters that always bicker (Junpei Yukari for P3, Morgana Ryuji P5) also Teddie does get corrected by the cast a lot tf you on about? Chie talks smack to him all the time for being wierd rise literally slaps him ect this point is obsolete and completely misleading As for the yukiko stuff I agree she’s the the least interesting member in the cast but in a S tier cast like p4 that’s not much of a diss , I liked her enough I thought in a pretty vibrant cast it was nice to have a more reserved character like her in there along with naoto to sorta balance it As for like the camp scenes beauty pageant and random excursions idk I found those scenes hilarious idc if they’re offensive also as for the pageant stuff the girls get their revenge and make boys do it too so it’s fine Idk I guess not everyone can vibe with the cast the same way I do I suppose
P3R improved SEES a lot. They felt more like a family now, loved it.
Honestly for me P5R is still my favorite persona game in the entire series mostly because it was the first persona game I played.
Same
After experiencing the link episodes, I'd rather have 0 party member social links, or at the very least rework their social links to be more like link episodes where they're only available after certain plot points. My biggest problem with a lot of the social links is that they kind of have to be in a time bubble, and so it feels like most of the party members get no character development in the game. I love characters like Ann, Chie, and Kanji, but like 90% of that love comes from when they are story relevant before their characters just stay flat. Link episodes get to be relevant to the story, helped by the writing giving all the characters (except Koromaru) multiple character moments throughout the whole game and not just when they are introduced.
P6 should make the outside of the party links Social Links with P5 style benefits while party members get the Reload style Linked Episodes with the P4 benefits and also include a unique ability for whoever you chose to romance.
Honestly it makes me not even want SL for the party because I feel like persona 3 does a way better job of making its cast feel like characters rather than your friends.
In 4 and 5 it feels like the cast cannot function without the MC and most of them don’t really feel relevant after their initial arc.
@@TheHomiErikthe whole p4 and 5 cast revolves around MC is such an overharped point I’m so tired of seeing P3 fans bringing up that and then think their spittin fax , it’s really not the case like at all hell especially for P5 Nijima is the one that actually feels like the leader more than Joker himself you P3 fanboys act like Sees also don’t revolve around their party leader Makoto
@@Gael-xp4fk What if they're right and you're wrong have you thought about that? Cuz' I don't know man they kinda spittin'.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction what if your just a blind P3 fanboy that based their entire account about it , obviously your going to think their spittin when your brain is so severely damaged with P3 brain rot, also why tf is the main character and leader of a game to take an important role of uniting a cast viewd as such a bad thing y’all sound so dumb by trying to make it sound like a bad thing to begin with
3, 4 and 5 all have their various strengths and weaknesses that set them apart, as well as an individual charm that can be highlighted for each. That said, 5 has by far the best game design, really in every aspect. Reload is a great game, but it is still largely a project seeking to update and approximate what 5 did from the start (with improvements in Royal). We've yet to see the true next level jump that I hope takes precedent in the dev cycle of P6.
Agreed
the p5r palaces really cant be topped imo but the combat is the best in p3r and i think sees is my fav group
P5 and P3s combat is literally the same though only difference is that it has theuragy
@@Gael-xp4fk i think theurgy and characteristics are better then showtime so i like p3s more
Aside from the awesome presentation I can't stand P5 palaces. The game holds your hand every step and tells you what to do. Just piss off and let me do my thing. Don't get me started on Morgana outside the palaces.... Fml
Easily prefer the dungeons in P4G and even Tartarus in reloaded.
Man I gotta hard agree. Thinking back on it, I don't even really like any of the palaces, except maybe futaba, shido, maruki. It's always a damn drag and everyone yaps so damn much, and the puzzles are hardly puzzles when they tell you the answers. The only real puzzle would probably be that space chute airlock puzzle
@@Gael-xp4fknah that’s the same too just showtime attacks being single instead of team
I think having SLinks having a mandatory roadblock until you reach a certain part of the story also eases the pressure on players that feel paralysed by choice when ir comes to decide on who to hang out with when you have a lot of active SLinks.
Unrelated, i always liked the Reload dorm theme more cause I reeeeeally didn't like the original. The reload dorm theme sounds like Lotus Juice is actually rapping instead of just saying random shit with no flow. Constipated-ass rap.
I did still like the og dorm theme, but the new one is still way way better
Great vid, IMO I’d say P3 Reload clears base P5 and P4 Golden. I think for me Maruki just hits so hard that I gotta give it up to P5R. His character and story is just so masterfully done and he leaves a lasting impression especially after the first playthrough. IMO None of the persona games are the greatest with the execution of storytelling and character evolution to be honest, so the third semester was quite impressive for me. Also, the P3 Reload music absolutely slaps but I still think P5R clears. The jazz infusion and the overall artistic direction was just so creative and fit so well. overall the creativity across the board for P5 still blows my mind. in terms of social link quality, none of the games obviously stick out as the best for me personally
I will glaze Maruki every chance I get if it's within the discussion of P5R. Love that man and his voice actor (rip) that being said though I still prefer Reloads ending over Royals, the whole sequence was just so beautiful to me and executed the themes of memento mori / memento vivere insanely well
@@anon3600Hey that's absolutely completely fair. I also adore the ending of P3R the most even tho P5R stills clears for me overall. It's really nice to read Persona fan comments that don't immediately shit on the game they don't prefer the most, as if it's not subjective and they're only allowed to like 1 game.
My hot take that P3R has better soundtrack/background music when seeing it as background music. and the high points like the opening, nighttime theme, and battle theme are fire. But if they aren’t one of the 4 or 5 songs in that goat tier, they are getting blown the fuck out of the water by most of 4 and 5s soundtrack
Counterpoint, P3 has the og soundtrack and the absolutely godlike Reincarnation soundtrack that blows those two out of the water.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction nah and I’m tired of pretending it’s goated. It’s great background music but I’m never bumping it
@@patrickwerner4723 I can say the same about P4 so to each his own.
Guys guys they won't get it cause the songs are remix from 2000s style music, It won't translate to newer music Styles especially if you didn't grow up in that music era
@@ShadowOfMassDestructionso u don't like backside of the TV or time to make history?
finished P3R a few days ago, and it was my first Persona game.
masterpiece!!!
I envy you. Play persona 5 royal, you’ll love it. And If I were you, I’d wait for the remake of p4, which appears to be in the makes. P4g is *playable* for some people, but since p3r is your first game I’d just entertain myself with p3r and The Answer DLC coming out soon and persona 5 royal and its spinoffs.
People always say P5 best gameplay, P4 best characters, and P3 best story. Nah P3Re clears all of them...
ngl the p4 characters individually i really dont like besides kanji naoto and maybe chie but they do work well as a group
i agree with best story and characters, but P5 is definitely has best gameplay . Many places to explore, confidant benefits, minigames, unique palaces, etc.
But yeah P3R still superior
P5 still best gameplay. Tartarus floors got no verticality or puzzles to them.
P5 dungeon crawling shits on Tartarus lmao
How are mfs saying P5 gameplay clears when the moment you get the Ryuji skill not even halfway to the game it becomes a “Hold R2 Simulator” 💀❓
After playing 3,4 and 5, I 100% agree. The dark storyline contributes to that tbh.
As much as i loved this remake persona 4 golden will always be my favorite persona game. I was into the story right away, and the characters in this game are by far my favorites. (Naoto, Nanako, and Kanji especially), persona 4 golden also has the best anime hands down 😊
Same here everyone in the world always raves about P3 for having best story best character development yada yada yada and I just really can’t see it, like I acknowledge that it does have more character development that’s integrated in the main plot than the others but that in itself doesn’t do much for me when I find a lot of the sees characters themselves pretty dam boring and uninteresting also P3 undeniably has glaring pacing issues in the main plot that P4 and 5 simply don’t
@@Gael-xp4fkYea p3 has a sloggy start imo. The one character i actually felt attachment to...well you know what happens to him...and the social links were meh except sun. I enjoyed it but the story doesnt start picking up till late june/july. Not once do i feel like p4 slogs. EVERY SINGLE interaction with other characters and events are pure gold.
@@marissarae3882l would agree if it was vanilla P4 but the beginning of P4 is slow af and later on Golden felt like they shoved in a bunch of filler episodes to the point where I forgot there was a plot but still an awesome game.
Persona 3 Reload was such an amazing game. The story of accepting death felt more a mature story and it kept me interested. The characters were sooo good Junpei character development was amazing how much he changed, The social link episodes were nice cuz they connect to the story and that connects to the game more
The death message is cool but I find it to be pretty overhyped in the community P5s story about vigilantes taking down society’s scum is also a mature subject and so is P4s coming of age story about your identity
@@Gael-xp4fkagreed
I gotta agree, when first playing 3r coming off 5r, I was kinda not feeling it. I think it was after the first full moon when I realized, ahh it's showing the moon because it's important.
Only one thing hit me as hard as Akinari's final social link conversation
'I did it, Miki...'
😭😭😭
I think something that's super good about p5's walls of text isn't that bad cause it's most ppls persona game. So p3r being people's 2nd persona and it's more to the point it makes alot more sense. I only played these 2 games and I love both near equally.
I disagree but I really like the points you made in this vid
I disagree about P3 being the best,Strega and Ikutski are NOT good antagonists their actually the worst most lame ones across the series,it suffers from having really bad pacing, Tartarus is still the most monotonous dungeon crawler, Characters dying doesn’t automatically make it good writing for character development and P3 leans on this trope way to much, Persona is first and foremost all about its characters and I always find myself enjoying P4 cast way more call it yapping all you want but I just love seeing my favorite characters interact even if it is just shenanigans
1.The villains are not the end all be all for the plot and they do a serviceable job, the plot first and foremost focuses on the characters personal struggles.
2. Valid criticism but that only pertains to the beginning and people's attention span for playing multiple games in the modern age is the only real problem because not many had that issue back then.
3.Valid complaint Tartarus isn't for everybody.
4. Characters dying is capitalizing on the world of P3 where everything can't be peaches and rainbows even if they try ignore it, the game is literally about the inevitability of death and to cherish life and it's done well.
5. S.E.E.S is a great cast of characters, I personally value their family through trails dynamic way more than friendship but there are characters and groups that can resonate with anyone in Persona.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction I hate u
Totally agree, all that yapping is the fault of persona 5 and 4 a little bit.
Morgana is not only his own character but also in a roundabout way the inner thoughts of the protagonist….
Leading to constant talking and ultimately that cat not learning when to stfu.
Recency bias persona 4 is the goat
I loved Persona 3 reload.
however there two minor issues for me
-The game was far easy(even on the hardest difficulty), to the point it impacted the enjoyment of the game. The last three bosses should have had two actions every turn. i personally think the baton pass or shift cannot be balanced and make battles way to easy. i felt like i trying to force myself not level to keep it kind of challanging however couldn't because of the required money grinding. For me aliments didn't feel like a threat at all, perhaps wide area aliment healing is easy to access. It felt like i wasn't hit by charm at all compared to the orginal game. Ultimate attacks were a cool addtion however they were way to easy to access, also making them ignore resistences removed alot of challange in battle. Persona 5 was also very easy, i do hope they make future games more challangng. There were times it felt like the enemy was ignoring the protag that trying to kill him, the only time i felt any threat was the instant kill spells.
- The opening scene and the main protag awakening - I felt these were very less impactful compared to the orginal for me. I think adding speaking to yukari opening scene with the evoker 100% made it less impactful. I remember seeing it for the first time in persona 3 FES and i was WTF is going on. I can't quite put my finger on what my issue with them is, maybe they felt rushed?
I found P3R to be pretty difficult and they definitely aim for the protag or Yukari every chance they got, they also made grinding a non issue because from my experience there was clear level cap and if you just went through Tartarus fighting shadows you see then moving on you get the perfect levels you need. Then again I don't really constitute dying over and over and having fights take two hours long to be difficult more just an annoyance that's through being a damage sponge with unreasonable damage spikes.
I feel you, that's why in late game I tried doing all the fights alone with no party members and it was really fun. Despite being LV 99 with Messiah, Helel, Satan and Lucifer; Takaya beat me twice and I almost lost to Nyx if it wasn't for enduring soul. In regards to the awakening and the intro... yeah they were good but lacked the grungy aesthetic and masterful storyboarding but it made me appreciate more the original when I saw them playing FES for the first time, so I'm grateful for that.
I think the game is pretty easy at times but I feel like I get hit by ailments a lot especially Charm, distress and fear. Ken keeps fucking running away in battle
Persona 3 Reload ruined the atmosphere of the game and really made a lot of the scenes way less impactful. How does fes have better lighting than reload in an engine known for its excellent lighting? It’s hard to tell if it’s day or night in iwatodai until you look out the window or you go outside. In fes it is very distinct. They did not add anything to the main story, some movie scenes could’ve been easily added and in my opinion, the movies had done a lot of scenes better in comparison to the original story. Aigis attempting to kill Ryoji was a really nice touch in the movie when he gives makoto the choice to kill him or keep him alive. The combat is much more 1 dimensional and limiting compared to fes. Even with the ai party members it is the persona game with the most skillful, deepest and expressive combat. They made it a stat simulator, I was able to beat the game at lvl 51 and Elizabeth at lvl 81 with little difficulty. Little things such as makoto not being able to equip every human weapon or the removal of many options of the tactics system (yes I beat the game with ai party members fight me) is weird to me and frankly annoying. Reload is overall a better game but fes still gives you the best persona 3 experience by far.
Just beat P3R and yes, it is the best Persona game.
Persona 2 clears all lol
Best story and best characters for sure
Not in gameplay or presentation, but yeah definitely the characters and story.
100% fullly agree. This is just the gospel truth
Personally, I can't simply just like a single persona game over the other. I like all them
I had less than zero interest in Bebe's social link, but his link 10 message at the end was really sad and made me rethink him entirely
bro let spitting factssss
Persona 3 Reload and Persona 5 for me are equal. P3 has better cast, dialogues, heavier more mature themes, plot twists are crazier and have balls. P5 has better dungeons, I like P5 combat system where you can choose different characters on the run and all of them are getting level up equally (while in P3 you have to grind and left most party members behind). P3 in my opinion can be played twice because of its plot snips here and there to understand the story more from the beginning, in P5 is pretty much nothing else to see on second run.
Like I said to someone else, the game is fantastic, but I do think people are riding a recency bias train. I 100000% think the cast is better, the game fixes 90% of P5's issues and combines it with P3's amazing story and cast, making it the best game overall (because it's the newest rendition of an already great game, along with them changing things based on feedback from P5). HOWEVER, Akechi is still the greatest Persona character written so...yknow.
Edit: i also forgot, Maruki as a villain kinda clears every persona villain still. I think Nyx / spoiler name character is pretty damn close though.
i think the biggest flaw of p3 is that the game takes TOO LONG to start to get actually good, i mean to even start to get close to the p5 intro level of quality it takes 40+ hours, that and the game doesnt have any cool awakening or cool anime/in engine cutscenes at all
I am almost done with NG+ on P3 and I could not complete the achievement of maxing all social links by ONE DAY. I did almost everything diligently every day, prioritised Kenji, Miyamoto and Bunkichi at first, clearing Tanaka as soon as I could, same thing with Mutatsu, I alternated the Sundays between Maya and Akinari, I did the gourmet king and swapped it with Maiko before all the other clubs start, Hayase left it on the bench for a while but when it came to the art club, Bebe, Odagiri and Yoko I truly struggled to organise everything properly. First waifu on Chihiro was secured and once I could start Fuuka, Yukari and Mituru's links I speed ran it to max in two months. However, when December arrived, winter finals, the Kyoto trip and then Christmas I ended up losing time I didn't realise I did not have. Then January came in, Aigis social link started and I still had Bebe, the Art club and Odagiri at around 5, all of them. Now I'm standing at the last day of January before dealing the end game and I left Bebe on level 9... so close yet so far. Now I need to do ANOTHER run in NG++ to finally max everything.
This is also taking into account I had to turn down Junpei and Akihiko activities, I could not do more than 3 activities with Koromaru because the amount of social links during the day is overwhelming, sometimes is just too much and then you're at night with no chance to work, no activity to raise the social stats because are already on max, your team already got all gauges so you only burn time with no real benefit.
Damn I’m in September and still haven’t started Fuuka, Yukari or Mitsuru. Do you think I can at least max those three out before the game ends? Or am I gonna have to new game plus it as well?
Remember you must have max courage, charm and academics to start their confidant. On the first run you can do all three of them easily but you will have to turn down other social links to work them up. Mitsuru's social link starts after the Kyoto trip so that gives you enough time to work the academics to max during the night by going to the arcade or eating the bowl. Courage is the easiest stat to max to you will not have issues with fuuka and Yukari will take some time because charm is tricky to raise after level 5, you will not find enough activities to raise your charm effectively. You can easily max the three of them without going to NG+ before January where the Aigis confidant begins so you can alternate between whatever one you have left from them three and Aigis but, if you want the achievement or you want to fusion the... best version of orpheus to battle Elizabeth you must go through NG+ and max everything.@@SuperNintendro-lx1pc
did u use the urls during the night
I‘m 40 hours in and have to push myself to continue, it‘s so (and I hate to use this word with a Persona game) boring.
The only things that stood out to me so far were the playground girl‘s social link and the vacation island trip. But even with that, as soon as Aigis was revealed as the mysterious "shadow fighting machine" I was rolling my eyes, like when does this story get serious?
Loved the game, however, I found myself not being able to do anything at night with my free time, unlike persona 5. Besides that, loved it
persona 3 is beautiful. it has a very profound story but it requires patience to absorb. thematically it beats p4 and p5, of course it’s all subjective but a lot of people recognize this for a reason, its messages feel way more relatable
Totally agree with you man, P5R is great game, but there is sooo much fluff in dialogue, almost made be burnout
P3 definitely has the best story and characters for me.
But I will say, P5's gameplay is better for a first playthrough because of the unique palaces and a couple minigames to play. However, I think P3R's gameplay is WAY batter for a NG+ or casual playthrough. Like you said, there's way less yapping and you can get into the actual gameplay loop much quicker, and also the palaces have a lot of gimmicks to them and scripted moments that slow the gameplay down, which become annoying when you're just trying to play the game for the battles. Not to mention the novelty of the palaces will have worn off by a second playthrough. Tartarus is way less hand-holding, so it's much easier to hop in there and actually play the game.
I loved the last months of p3r but the before the beach scenes it was boring af, compared to p5 and p4 which had you locked in, imo p5>p4>p3
Yo can we just realize something… If P5R is Royal, and P3R is Reload, then will P4R be Reunion???
P4 Rewind
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction That’s good too, probably better
Persona 4 Rerun
@@JaclyneChin Oooo that’s good
Maybe Reprise or Replay
Persona 5 still got better dungeon design than p3r
I’m about 70 hours in right now around the September date in game and while I like that certain things about the plot has been revealed, the game still feels like a drag. The story’s just missing that secret sauce that I felt persona 5 royal perfected. Maybe I have a short attention span or something but half way point for persona 5 with the whole futaba arc, felt way more impactful than the half way point for P3 reload. The social links for this game however are far more superior than persona 4 and 5
I think p3 just has more of an overarching story with more buildup rather than villain arcs like 5 or arcs saving the future team members like 4
17:00 that is such a bad take 50% of the game is social links it aint filler .
It's canon filler, yeah it happens but the characters basically reset to how they are in the base story which makes it feel separated whereas the link episodes directly involved both story and relationship with the protag.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction sure I guess you could call it that but saying they don't matter is craizy.
Honestly it’s really a tossup between 3 and 5 since there’s just some things that one does that is done significantly better in the other.
Truthfully I highly recommend 5 as a "First Persona" since it has a great hook and better gameplay than 3.
3 however CLEARS social links wise and while the main plot does take a good fucking while to start (I’m guilty of dropping FES for awhile around after Fukka joins.) When the plot finally finishes cooking it’s not but 5/5 gourmet meals to the end.🧑🏿🍳💋
I love all the persona games,
I agree with most of this, but yall might be slobbing when it comes to the story and gameplay tho tbh
The story ain’t even allat good it only got good at the very end wit Nyx
@@Gael-xp4fkfar better than p4
@@Hakujoudaiii it’s really not P3 story is dam boring nothing interesting happens the characters are boring the dialogue is mundane P4 is far better
@@Hakujoudaiii it’s really not P3s story is not interesting it’s so boring P4 is better
@@Gael-xp4fk Says you
Nahhh be BASED, P3 is the best don't stumble men we all know P3 is the best and that is 100% objective fact!
Nah ur genuinely trippin w the p5 s link take. P3 got the most mid s links in the series😹🙏🤦♂️
Tier list of persona 3 reload social links maybe??
I can't personally see why people like the story in this game more than four or five. It feels very slow, character's dying doesn't just make a story good for me, especially when there's no time to care about said characters. But I can understand people liking the cast and why this game might be their favorite because of that. But for me, I think even base p5 is better than p3r to me.
Well said 👌and your absolutely correct P3s plot takes its sweet SWEET time getting to the good stuff (like not until September/October ish long).
I thought I was the only person in the persona fandom that also thought character death doesn’t = good writing by default, deaths like chidori and Especially Shinji always struck me as contrived plot devices to boost another characters so called development (Junpei and Akihiko) character death is the most generic way to boost character development imo.
P3s plot progression goes off like the literal letter U < starts off strong and ends really strong but the middle portion left ALOT to be desired
@@Gael-xp4fk The death in Persona 3 is simply capitalizing on how dangerous their world is in it's current state and how stressful their task of eliminating the Dark Hour really is. P4 and P5 doesn't have that same level of ambient danger and how close it is to you so for those stories it's only used for what IS and who is causing the situation to BE dangerous rather than in P3 where the characters have to be on constant high alert for those becoming The Lost and Strega who aims to stop you because they value their power over people's lives.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction P4 and 5 does have that same level of ambient danger your just trying to undermine them at all times just to make it seem like p3 is so much better when in reality it’s not you can do all the mental gymnastics all you want to justify the contrived deaths for forced character development all you want but it’s still the most boring and cliche way to character development
@@Gael-xp4fk Well in every comment thread I've seen from you so far you've been just trying put P3 down in the dirt because you don't like it and kissing the feet of P4 and P5 acting like THOSE are on some pedestal making you no better than the people you criticize. I give all of the games theirs props where it's due cause I love all of em but no, the others do not have that same sense of danger, half the time they are more focused on the group shenanigans and it isn't given nearly the same level of attention which is fine for those stories.
However if you think death is lame to use for character development than why does it have such a big influence on so many people dealing with that very thing through media like this, Naruto, Nier, even those other games? Plus you know what's worse than Death for character development? Doing what P5 does with it's most important characters and using death as character development just to backtrack on it for some cruel joke detracting on all levels of impact it could ever have.
@@ShadowOfMassDestruction this guy really mentioned Naruto for death development lol as for Nier idk I think replicant is the best one and it doesn’t really use contrived deaths for development the main cast are all still alive by the end that’s a perfect example of doing good character development without needing to rely on the death trope
I'm at around 10/30 right now and as much as I wanted to come into game this absolutely loving it, it is still nowhere near beating my Persona 5 Royal and even base P5 experience. I would put it ahead of P4G right now though because I can see myself getting more invested into the story during the third act. Without major spoilers, the 10/4 incident was something I also came into the game vaguely knowing about and given the person it revolved around was a character I knew I'd enjoy with more time it actually ended up feeling extremely lackluster. I can tell there's good in this game and even great in parts, but there's so much that just keeps me from bridging that gap currently.
i guess my biggest problem with the game so far is I really can't see what people are so invested and emotionally charged over about yet. The only aspect that P3R has beaten the others in for me so far is arguably the story but even that feels too contrived and scattered for me to fully care yet. I'm really hoping to be proven wrong in the end but only time will tell.
I agree bruh best game in the series bar none.
So to be fair, I think Persona 4 and 5 are still really good games, if only dragged down by a few factors.
In P4's its the age of the game and definitely how some of the characters are written at times that while not one thing is egregious its a 'death by a thousand cuts' that puts a damper on an otherwise good experience.
Persona 5 on the other hand is brought down by one major arc that that is so cringe and bad it really brings down the rest of the game's enjoyment imo.
Tbf that cringe arc sets up the peak endgame.
@@moomer2675 TBF you aren't wrong but after I was done with that I needed to step away from P5 a bit.
Why is it putting a damper on the experience I freakin love the shenanigans that investigation team are always up to, get your pseudo “death by a thousand cuts” bs outta here lol P5 and especially P3 also have a thousand cuts worth of issues let’s not pretend like their perfect 😂
@@Gael-xp4fk As a group, I think the dynamic works well, but individually i think I only like only half of the playable party members.
Yukiko I find to have a rather boring social link, and her character feels like the stock 'yamato nadeshiko' without not much to make her interesting. Teddie has SOME good points, but his behaviour with the female characters on the team is fucking disgusting. And not even the male and female members dont take the time to correct what he is doing.
Yosuke is the one being the most contentious because he starts off strong and is actually rather intelligent for the best friend, but him doing disgusting shit like what he does on the camping trip and signing up all the girls in the beauty pageant without their consent. Of course there is the huge elephant in the room with his homophobia and gives Kanji unwarranted bullshit and the game is making you be on his side.
Also for supposedly being a bunch of friends, most of them kind of do rather scummy and shitty things to each other, and the story plays this for laughs and I'm like "okay game, whatever "
Theres also a few other things with the game in general that go with that 'death by thousand cuts' (gameplay, pacing, etc) statement so it the original comment of just the characters is a bit hyperbolic but that's how I feel on it.
Not shitting on you if you like P4 at all. But those are my honest feelings and critiques of it
@@tanakoskyler-thetabletopsh377 the only character that treat each other kinda bad are Chie and Yosuke every persona game has 2 characters that always bicker (Junpei Yukari for P3, Morgana Ryuji P5) also Teddie does get corrected by the cast a lot tf you on about? Chie talks smack to him all the time for being wierd rise literally slaps him ect this point is obsolete and completely misleading
As for the yukiko stuff I agree she’s the the least interesting member in the cast but in a S tier cast like p4 that’s not much of a diss , I liked her enough I thought in a pretty vibrant cast it was nice to have a more reserved character like her in there along with naoto to sorta balance it
As for like the camp scenes beauty pageant and random excursions idk I found those scenes hilarious idc if they’re offensive also as for the pageant stuff the girls get their revenge and make boys do it too so it’s fine
Idk I guess not everyone can vibe with the cast the same way I do I suppose