@@MarioCarter Using the wheelie input on a ground surface during a pow will do a "pow dodge," but you will still lose some speed and lose your item. In this case, he was apparently able to hop at a precise time to dodge the pow by being in midair. You aren't normally able to do this humanly since the pow effect occurs over several frames.
For everyone wondering how he dodge the pow block. First he did a mini hop at the exact moment the pow block hit ever driver. The damage time for the pow block is longer than a single mini hop. That's why when he landed he spent 1-2 frames in the ground and got a bounce from the track. The time he was in the ground was so short it couldn't calculate to where he would be affected. Pretty smart move if you ask me. That takes a lot of time to pull off
yes, i would be really unfortunate to optimize it very much just to figure out that it desyncs in the first minute, soon i will be able to do a proper TAS I added the description now, hope it makes things more clear.
@@beta511ee4 if it was optimized, in theory a bot could get hit while holding a star and drop it for him, or he could hit dropped by a CPU, etc. This requires stupid rng manipulation but technically its still imoptimized.
Seeing this makes me sad that there isn't any kind of ridiculously in-depth coverage of all the aspects of this game, like there is with, say, Super Mario 64. In the latter there's a mostly complete description of how even things like butterflies behave in-game, with varying levels of exhaustive explanations and/or detailed graphics used to explain each point. Then here in MK Wii I'm not even sure how VR gains or losses are calculated besides "it uses Elo", nor any idea how the rounding errors that occasionally pop up come about, and a lot of explanations of various mechanics I've seen here and there have been "we think it's like this other thing that we have seen because it makes sense for the devs to have copied that". Most notably here, my working understanding of ranking criteria for 3 stars involves some list of times which will shift up or down based on your performance in the race, which are compared to your ending time; but not only does this strike me as dumb, I have very limited faith in that idea as it apparently just comes from Double Dash with no confirmation for the Wii case. That, and I don't know what kind of frame window the pow hop would involve (which would otherwise tell me whether it's feasible humanly and what to practice for if so) and don't have the faintest idea of how to guess on what the AI or doing. All these small parts of this game have just... never been clearly explored anywhere to my knowledge.
The year is 20RR. Everyone drives Flame Runner as Funky Kong at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a race depends solely on the starting grid and item RNG. The RNG manipulation metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide races.
Would it be possible to clip the 3 rd mushroom on mushroom gorge instead of skipping it...and get a trick boost without being launched back in the air?...like at 4:57
speedometer showed that it was faster than just a drift with the hops it was 102 km/h at the first hop, 92 at the second and 87 at the third, drift speed is 84 or 85, but i'm not actually sure if its's useful, i will ask the other tasers foor opinions
About 0:56 1. Can this normally be done or was the downhill slope or some kind of bounce a necessary aspect? 2. If it can always be done, how precise it it? Frame perfect? 2 frames?
The Mushroom Gorge Gap Jump while the POW was coming was cool. I thought it would've made you spin without losing speed when you landed if you know what I'm saying. You were in the air though so ultimately you dodged it.
I thought that rubberbanding at the start would be faster as more shortcuts are available. (e.g. Losing 2 Sec for getting triple shrooms to then gain 3-4 sec by using them)
how did you know you were gonna get triple mushroom in the first race? from my understanding of TAS bots you write the code and the computer does it but if you got another item I'm assuming it wouldn't work, or was it RNG based?
I tried so long until i got triple shrooms you can watch malleos MKW TAS tutorial, he explains really good how tasing works. There is no bot or code writing for mkw tasing
Yeah it's a real struggle to get 3 stars in mkw, but try doing a halfway optimized tas on a track just to have a shock hit you in lap 3 and you have to redo all again. that really sucks xd
It wasn’t easy but not in the way you think. This guy would frame by frame and programmed each movement. That’s what a TAS is,A tool assistant speed run
This doesn't look like a tas since you knew exactly when the pow was coming on LC and on moo moo meadows you know what your items are and where you put them
@@poszom8923 Yes, i dodged it because i can use savestates slow down and frame advance, so when the pow block came, i loaded a previous savestate and frame advance to dodge the pow block.
"A tool-assisted speedrun or tool-assisted superplay (TAS) is a set sequence of controller inputs used to perform a task in a video game. The input sequence is usually created by emulating the game and using tools such as slow motion, frame-by-frame advance, memory watch, and save states to create an extremely precise series of inputs. The idea is not to make gameplay easier for players, but rather to produce a demonstration of gameplay that would be practically impossible for a human player. Tool-assisted speedruns often feature gameplay that would otherwise be impossible or prohibitively difficult to perform in real time. Producers of tool-assisted speedruns do not compete with "unassisted" speedrunners of video games; on the contrary, collaborative efforts between the two groups often take place. " -Wikipedia
Yeah sorry, it's not that easy to not get a desync but i figured it out with the help of other tasers and soon i will properly do more tases like this, much more optimized
![[Mario Kart Wii 300cc TAS] All Nitro Cups in 22:47.32 (No Glitch)](http://i.ytimg.com/vi/4TDJBFwsJUE/mqdefault.jpg)
![[Mario Kart Wii 300cc TAS] All Nitro Cups in 22:47.32 (No Glitch)](/img/tr.png)
I've always thought that you could dodge a pow by hopping at the right moment, but I could never pull it off
Campbell Mop You gotta use the trick action to dodge it
@@MarioCarter Using the wheelie input on a ground surface during a pow will do a "pow dodge," but you will still lose some speed and lose your item. In this case, he was apparently able to hop at a precise time to dodge the pow by being in midair. You aren't normally able to do this humanly since the pow effect occurs over several frames.
it’s not that hard
Its not the hop that dodges it, its the microbounce from the track that gives u enough air
If you use wiimote then you just shake everytime for basically anything
0:56
*0:54
i never knew that was possible
I used to do this before I knew how to pow dodge
I accidentally clicked on your channel and I am not disappointed.
Woah that was a cool pow dodge in LC
Yh didn't realise that was possible?
@@maxtamer6741 I've never seen it lol
Cant say I've seen that either, very neat
I know I only knew you could dodge pows by shaking the Wii mote, I play with the Wii wheel lol
i do that sometimes in actual races, gotta be frame perfect
For everyone wondering how he dodge the pow block. First he did a mini hop at the exact moment the pow block hit ever driver. The damage time for the pow block is longer than a single mini hop. That's why when he landed he spent 1-2 frames in the ground and got a bounce from the track. The time he was in the ground was so short it couldn't calculate to where he would be affected. Pretty smart move if you ask me. That takes a lot of time to pull off
David from Wii Sports why aren’t you in wii sports
@@pp-wr7kw hes retired
David from Wii Sports unless youre a tas
Thanks David
Why does everyone have trouble with doing it, I did it my 3rd try
Imagine if you got 2 stars
@@harrisonmoore3841 fuck you
Lucky .?. Calm tf down
I previously said it was an underrated comment, but it got more likes later.
Two stars..... RAGEEEE
* R E E E E E E Ə*
Mom: You have 8:00 minutes tu play
Me:
to
@@joep2199 for loading the game up
0:56 WHAAAAAT?!!!! HOW DID YOU...?!!!!!!
I think (not sure) that he hopped at the right time
this was a tas, a hacking speedrun pretty much.
Dat one Gamer. you can shake the Wii mote at a precise timing than you Dodge the pow . TAS is not cheating !
If he did dodge it he would have blue waves around him, what he did was jump frame perfect so they wouldn't get affected.
lmao nerd I’m pretty sure he was elevated off the ground at just the right moment to avoid it. TAS is wack
5:47 what are the extra hops for?
The speed from the conveyor belt stays a bit longer if you do this
Ah, that's interesting. Thanks for the reply.
@@MKgumba Nice TAS'ES, ur have any discord?
Lucky .?. English 100
@@Sietpo yo thanks, It would be fantastic if I asked
Me: sees this and plays Mario Kart again...
Also me: struggels on 100cc
yay finally a real gp tas, when you did the older tas gp video and ended it in mg shock i was mad xd
good job, very impressive
did you just... dodge a pow... by hopping...
ive seen it happen a few times
When?
@Samuel Cimpean
In this run, he hopped at the very last frame
@Samuel Cimpean In the game if u shake or use d-pad to dodge a pow it will take away the item
@Samuel Cimpean that's how normal players dodge.
But TAS isn't a normal player.
This looks very unoptimized. Is this a prelim?
yes, i would be really unfortunate to optimize it very much just to figure out that it desyncs in the first minute, soon i will be able to do a proper TAS
I added the description now, hope it makes things more clear.
Connor Anderson How can you tell?
@@beta511ee4 if it was optimized, in theory a bot could get hit while holding a star and drop it for him, or he could hit dropped by a CPU, etc. This requires stupid rng manipulation but technically its still imoptimized.
@@synthesiageek4667 and mushroms in perfect positions too
Now this is what I call quality content. If you TAS the full Grand Prix you will be a goddamn legend
thank you ^^ i really consider it to be honest, but don't have too high hopes
@@MKgumba you definitely are up to it. especially with the latest improvements :)
Seeing this makes me sad that there isn't any kind of ridiculously in-depth coverage of all the aspects of this game, like there is with, say, Super Mario 64. In the latter there's a mostly complete description of how even things like butterflies behave in-game, with varying levels of exhaustive explanations and/or detailed graphics used to explain each point. Then here in MK Wii I'm not even sure how VR gains or losses are calculated besides "it uses Elo", nor any idea how the rounding errors that occasionally pop up come about, and a lot of explanations of various mechanics I've seen here and there have been "we think it's like this other thing that we have seen because it makes sense for the devs to have copied that".
Most notably here, my working understanding of ranking criteria for 3 stars involves some list of times which will shift up or down based on your performance in the race, which are compared to your ending time; but not only does this strike me as dumb, I have very limited faith in that idea as it apparently just comes from Double Dash with no confirmation for the Wii case. That, and I don't know what kind of frame window the pow hop would involve (which would otherwise tell me whether it's feasible humanly and what to practice for if so) and don't have the faintest idea of how to guess on what the AI or doing. All these small parts of this game have just... never been clearly explored anywhere to my knowledge.
Late, but would spear be fastest in the 3 beginning tracks to compensate for TF?
Sure, but how do you even steer with that thing?
グランプリのTASは初めて見た！
出来たらUltra Short CutをしたグランプリTASもして欲しい
The year is 20RR. Everyone drives Flame Runner as Funky Kong at TAS levels of perfection. Because of this, the winner of a race depends solely on the starting grid and item RNG. The RNG manipulation metagame has evolved to ridiculous levels due to it being the only remaining factor to decide races.
😂 It's after melee year 20XX
What a tasty tas xD
Good work!
How come there was no lightning or blue spiny shells the entire time?
Because when there was one, i did redo a big part of the current track to avoid it.
2fast4u
Why did you need to hop three times at 6:24?
Bruno McLeod I think fore momentum
The conveyer belt speed carry’s over
Dude, he even caught up with the racers who were last--
I wish I could lap them, but I'm too slow
Why’d you go for the item box at the beginning of lap 3 TF?
Maybe to manipulate item RNG to not get a blue shell/lightning
Would kill to see a 100% TAS but ik the amount of patients that would take would be insane
YES u finally did this
please make this a series or something
Yeah with a glitch version, a shortcut version, and all the cups.
we'll see
Would it be possible to clip the 3 rd mushroom on mushroom gorge instead of skipping it...and get a trick boost without being launched back in the air?...like at 4:57
Yes, but that is slower
i always wonder how the cpus never get a blue shell or a shock
When they did, i had to redo the race so they wouldn't get one.
Interesting triple hops on TF. Why is that faster? CPU rng manipulation?
speedometer showed that it was faster than just a drift with the hops it was 102 km/h at the first hop, 92 at the second and 87 at the third, drift speed is 84 or 85, but i'm not actually sure if its's useful, i will ask the other tasers foor opinions
It preserves your speed from the conveyor
About 0:56
1. Can this normally be done or was the downhill slope or some kind of bounce a necessary aspect?
2. If it can always be done, how precise it it? Frame perfect? 2 frames?
It’s frame perfect, like you need to get within 3 frames of it damaging the other players, then while doing a wheelie, hop at the exact moment.
Why were there no blue shells?
not even the cpu rubberbanding can catch up with the power of TAS
I wish I could play Mario kart like this 😭
You do know this guy went frame by frame and program to each movement right? That’s what a TAS is it’s a tool assisted speed run
Git gud
Noob SlayerYT i think the point they were trying to make is that they could be as close to tas perfection as possible
What I don’t understand is, where was the blue shell during all of this, it always gets me as soon as I begin to pull away.
i was gonna say strategic items but them i realized this is gp mode
so now i have no clue
Rings he prob just autorestarted the tas for couple hours till he got rng
RNG manipulation
The mushroom gorge pow dodge, lucky
well not really, i had to not get the shroom at the cave beginning and do a bad gap jump so it didn't hit me
You should Tas 32 tracks but in a random order
HOW DID THIS MAN NOT GET BLUESHELLED?! HOW?!?
Because i did redo the whole run when that happened
The Mushroom Gorge Gap Jump while the POW was coming was cool. I thought it would've made you spin without losing speed when you landed if you know what I'm saying. You were in the air though so ultimately you dodged it.
How years of training??
With what controller you drive? I drive with ps4 controller
Keyboard and mouse
@@MKgumba bruh
@@lilmareofficial Well on the Wii with wheel but i do TAS on the pc haha
@@MKgumba Can you Help me to play online? I get error Code 23913
Mare Mkwii online got shut down
You would need to have CTGP and have played for a week to be able to use online again
NOT A SINGLE BLUE SHELL???
Try to do a perfect cup (1st place whole time, no off road, maximum tricks, maximum boost pads and every shortcut)
Bro I play mariokart wii from 10 years and I never know how to make à wheeling with a side car
Sorry for m'y english I dont speak very well
You cant whelie with karts
How can you predict the cpu items and your items? I mean, this is a TAS, everything should be perfect
Because luck in games isnt a thing. Its just a combination of factors we cannot control, but a TAS can.
3:37
did u just get 3 shrooms as 3rd?
how the fuck
Its either rng manipulation or just trying until getting it. Keep in mind this is a TAS
I thought that rubberbanding at the start would be faster as more shortcuts are available. (e.g. Losing 2 Sec for getting triple shrooms to then gain 3-4 sec by using them)
Bup 64 - キノピオ not on moo moo meadows
Bup 64 - キノピオ and i would also agree not on toad factory as the shortcut can be done shroomless
Why does everyone like using funky Kong in this game?
Because he has the most speed of the heavy characters
He has the best speed and motor
@@ryry.. and voice
how did you know you were gonna get triple mushroom in the first race? from my understanding of TAS bots you write the code and the computer does it but if you got another item I'm assuming it wouldn't work, or was it RNG based?
I tried so long until i got triple shrooms
you can watch malleos MKW TAS tutorial, he explains really good how tasing works.
There is no bot or code writing for mkw tasing
@@MKgumba thanks, I'll check it out
I know this be TAS but it takes me many tries just to get one 3 star on a map. This man just slapped me and said “Get TASed”
Yeah it's a real struggle to get 3 stars in mkw, but try doing a halfway optimized tas on a track just to have a shock hit you in lap 3 and you have to redo all again. that really sucks xd
On mg you dont need mushrooms you can do the shroomless wallride
nah that counts as glitch, dont ask me why, mkw categories are f'd up
Just imagine reaching the 12th place in 1st place....
Just how o-º
triple mushroom in third, isn't that a bit much?
I wasn't first when i got them so nah haha
How do you get TAS to work with mkwii?
Dolphin Emulator
Is everything in here RTA viable?
most of it except some rapid fire hop low tricks on some ramps
What is the controller use ？
keyboard, mouse and tas input
My man pulling triple shrooms in third
Are there any tricks to avoid dsync?
to avoid DeSinc? no...
5:47 🥰
Awesome work, this can't have been easy
It wasn’t easy but not in the way you think. This guy would frame by frame and programmed each movement. That’s what a TAS is,A tool assistant speed run
@@ExWifeHaver287 yeah, I'm aware, thanks
> still gets a 2-star tank
This doesn't look like a tas since you knew exactly when the pow was coming on LC and on moo moo meadows you know what your items are and where you put them
What do you mean?
@@MKgumba The tas dodged the pow at the right time, although it could have happened any time
@@poszom8923 Yes, i dodged it because i can use savestates slow down and frame advance, so when the pow block came, i loaded a previous savestate and frame advance to dodge the pow block.
@@MKgumba ok then
Rapid fire hop is a glitch
Tell me how to do live replay now
you're in the discord channel, there are a shit ton of people who could help you more than i could to, i'm not really good at explaining
did the randomnes work by inputs?
COM｢よっしゃPOW使ったろ｣
ゴリラ｢崖越え中ですがなにか？｣
Disk Ark ルイージーサーキットの小ジャンプでpowかわすのうまずぎw
Lies. They were no blue shells.
Cool
Ikr you always get blued like 90 times
@@kadens rng manipulation, kinda
what do you mean with "lies" btw?
It was supposed to be a joke. Since like cpus always blue you 3 times on a track it seems.
@@kadens coward
Is there an RNG manipulation on MG? You got triple shrooms in third.
yes? i did manipulate rng to get triple shrooms, but you can always get tripple shrooms in third
5:18 Chad soundz
What is TAS
"A tool-assisted speedrun or tool-assisted superplay (TAS) is a set sequence of controller inputs used to perform a task in a video game. The input sequence is usually created by emulating the game and using tools such as slow motion, frame-by-frame advance, memory watch, and save states to create an extremely precise series of inputs. The idea is not to make gameplay easier for players, but rather to produce a demonstration of gameplay that would be practically impossible for a human player. Tool-assisted speedruns often feature gameplay that would otherwise be impossible or prohibitively difficult to perform in real time. Producers of tool-assisted speedruns do not compete with "unassisted" speedrunners of video games; on the contrary, collaborative efforts between the two groups often take place.
"
-Wikipedia
Hi sorry I was just wondering if you had a chance to talk to me today and,🎉 thanks for your help and support for me
what support?
powブロック無効化わろた
人間でもできるで
i was always waiting
Yeah sorry, it's not that easy to not get a desync but i figured it out with the help of other tasers and soon i will properly do more tases like this, much more optimized
@@MKgumba i love you fromJapan
This tas is already pretty great but i Think it can become better ;)
(Also a hint: its mushroom not muhsroom cup)
lol
powって、ミニジャンプしたら何もアイテム落とさないの？
浮いてればパウは無効になりますよ！
I love it
Rank: ⭐️⭐️
0:55 ?!!!? What ?!?!?
this is too good lmao
上手すぎー😮
Michi reminds me of a geometry dash player, i know its a long shot, but was your username ever Michigun? Lol
no
@@MKgumba is Michi your IRL name or a pseudonym?
@@jungleparkway Real name, it's short for Michael
5:09 ルイージの声
0:55 how the fuck
*UmM yOu MiSpElLeD mUsHrOoM*
TiMe FoR oNlInE mUlTiPlAyEr
버그판이나??
Are You An italian guy?
no
gg 3 stars
thx
I mean it aint that hard to dodge a pow block whats the big deal
Mitchell Warrick tas
I feel like this wasn't perfect and could be better optimized. With more rng manip
The description is there for a reason.
ルイージスタジアムただのTAで草
積乱雲 ︎︎
WR
First! :D
Blue shell >:)
Your time 1:10,
👀
André Cardoso holy shit its the legend
OG
Oi '-'
わ
No offense but this is bad. I have a wife and kids that don’t love me anymore
as if TA
k
100/150/50cc ??
150
Oh ok... wow you're insane bro
Imagine if you got 3 stars