I drove for Uber but got really tired of taking someone 3 or 4 miles for $3 and the fact that they discourage tipping really makes it a BAD deal, riders have no appreciation for your car or the time you spend hauling them around... they act like you are their personal cabbie for $3 fuck Uber
Drove uber purely for the tax benefits. The cash earnings were a total joke, it got under $10/hr in my area real quick after a sweetheart phase, even before wear and tear goes in. It's only good to do it for a month if you need to replace tires, get repairs, whatever and you're past the standard deduction.
Uber announced in-app tipping coming to US markets by the end of next month. Three markets are currently live with in-app tipping: Houston, Seattle and Minneapolis. Lyft also just announced increased tip minimums for trips over $25.00, passengers will now see higher tip thresholds for these rides. As always passengers can always tip within the Lyft app.
I'm in an engineer. As such, I'm a nerd. As such, I keep detailed logs on all of my cars. I can tell you the exact cost per mile for driving any of my cars. Fuel, preventative maintenance, repairs, depreciation, etc... I have a car that is a high cost per mile and a car that is low cost per mile. A couple years ago I considered driving for Uber or Lyft with the lower cost per mile car during the weekends. But before I signed up, I ran the numbers. I couldn't afford to drive for either one. The numbers actually came out negative for my scenario. Again, for my scenario. So these videos don't surprise me at all.
You're exactly right. Even with an extremely fuel efficient Toyota Prius, your numbers will come out negative. Try actually driving for Uber, and see how it works. You'll be surprised at how ridiculous it is. You'll drive 12 miles into some small town to pick someone up, and they'll want a ride around the block. You'll get paid $3. Then you have to drive the 12 miles back to the city. You won't want to stay in that small town, otherwise you'll wait for 2 hours before getting another ride request. You HAVE to drive back to the city. So you basically drove 24 miles to make $3. If your car gets 24 miles per gallon, and a gallon is $3, then you burned $3 of gas to make a $3 fare. And that was your hour. Yup. Been there. Done that. Even if you have a Prius which gets 52 miles per gallon. Ok, so you burned only half a tank of gas. So, you burned $1.50 to earn $3. And that's how you spent 45 minutes of your hour, earning a measly $1.50.
I can attest to this, I just recently tried doing Uber due to being unable to lift anything heavy from a car accident. I would often have to drive 6-10 miles just to pick someone up and take them another 4-5 miles farther away from the main residential/city areas only to make $4 or so, then have to drive about 15-25 miles back to get another fare. About 120 miles, 7 hours, and 14 trips later, and I only came out with about $70 and used almost 1/3rd of my gas tank, not really worth it, even though I drive a 2018 Toyota Camry.
My profits with Uber were great even though I had a car that got 15 mpg city and used Premium gas only. It's impossible to predict what kind of surge fares you will get, or even if you'll get any. But in my case I always had a new rider waiting as soon as I dropped the current one off, the distance to pickups was very small (lots of times the pickup location was the dropoff location for the current rider), and nearly every ride was a surge ride. People in the city routinely went to the same bars and nightclubs and events without fail, for years. If I had a prius or even a chevy cruze the margins would be insane.
You're welcome for the comment. Honestly, I would sign up if I were you. Just do it every now and then. Because when a holiday comes by, you can make a lot of money on that holiday, since most of your rides will be 3x or 4x the normal fare. On those days it is worth it. For instance, New Year's Day is big, St. Patrick's Day is extremely big, and then also the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Oh, and also the day before July 4th. These days are really busy, and you'll make a lot of money. But I suggest having a full time job that has payed holidays and vacation. And then, while your full time job is giving you a paid holiday, you can get out in your car and drive people around. On those days, your full time job is paying you, and you're making huge amounts of money with Uber on top of it. That's the ONLY thing I would ever suggest for anyone. Full time Uber? Don't even think about it.
I drove for Uber for over a year. I think they are the most pathetic company ever. They manipulate drivers with false surges. If they put a huge surge in a area where there are no drivers. Drivers will drive there. When they get there the surge happens to disappear or a ride will pop up outside of the surge. They post surge area's above or below where they need drivers. I drove on the outskirts of the city because the rides were longer. I would sit with no rides sometimes for hours. Then up pops a surge where I was. Surprise surprise I would not receive a ride. I watched surge area's disappear as my car icon would touch the surge. The things that are said in this video are 100% true. How about Uber eats. Drive 8 miles to pick up food for a pick up fee of $1.75 and then the drop off is 1 mile away. You made $4-5 and spent more. There pick up area's for big events is also a huge joke. You get surge pricing but it takes you forever to drop off the passenger and even longer to leave. Your not getting paid when they get out and you spend 45 minutes trying to get out of the area. Pick up areas after bars. One specific area. How dangerous is that for riders and drivers. People get really irritated after a night of drinking waiting for a Uber driver that can't get through all the traffic to get to them. Remember to pick up that surge rider. You spent 20-45 minutes to pick them up. Now they need to get dropped off 2 miles down the road. Even with a surge you made nothing. Honestly math will prove how crazy it is to drive for uber. Sooner or later Uber is doomed. I get mad when I think about the drivers that are getting taken advantage of by them. UBER IS A SCAM AND IN TIME EVERYONE WILL AGREE.
"UBER IS A SCAM AND IN TIME EVERYONE WILL AGREE"...Absolutely, You can fool some people all the time and you can fool all people some time but you can't fool all people all the time.
UberX Files I don't think I've ever had a ride cost me less than about $5.50 CAD despite some of them being under a km (took it because it was pouring and I had an interview, wasn't surge)
There was nothing realistic about your comment. Even if you had 9 rides at $3.00 per ride would be $27.00. No way it took you 12 hours to do 9 rides only making $33.00.
@@bellagrace9812 i know right. The minimum fare is like $6. I'm pretty sure some of his rides were higher. Unless he's deducting costs like tax, gas, etc
Your Personal Driver her math is fine. Her numbers are off. Ask yourself why she leaves out part of the driver fare? 1 mile takes about 2 minutes when you include traffic lights. That's about 30 cents per mile that she's leaving out of both videos. The 54 cents per mile is only accurate if you buy a new car and only drive 40 miles a day then sell your car at 75k miles. Of you drive for uber, it is very unlikely that you only drive 40 miles per day between work and personal miles.
+Your personal Driver I've already calculated mypersonal cost to drive for uber to be about 15.3 cents per mile (about 23 cents per customer mile). EZwA is a Taxi driver, who believes that uber drivers pay $1.30 per customer mile. As you can tell, these numbers are totally close and without bias to each other :D
Uber is a scam. I drove for 3 months. The amount of money I put into this is way more than i made driving. I depreciated my car and made lots of repairs after those 3 months not to mention how many times a week I have to clean it to be able to get my family in the car after Friday and Saturday nights vomit. I am glad I woke up. I rather work on a garbage truck with a weekly pay check.
@EZwA Do you know how to type or just think being stupid with it is an achievement? Grow up just a tinsy bit if you want to be taken seriously. A lot ways to be creative and so many more ways to be just lame. Being proud of being stupid seems to be the trend with flunky's. What you're doing a baby can do so lose the diapers. I had a friend who wrote like that from jail and it wasn't cool then and it will never be cool. Showing off your lack of education with such glee is tragic.
Jayde here. Oh my gosh, thank you!!! We had so many crazy comments on the original and I couldn't keep up, so .... Uber 2.0! So many people mentioned tax, and the math nerd in me was enraged! I feel like maybe Uber released the bots!
Jayde: I personally would love to interview you on my podcast, Liberal Dan Radio, to discuss what I see as major flaws with your analysis and methodology.
We mentioned tax because we felt you were likely confused because in pretty much every market where there is a municipality charged tax/fee , Uber collects it and remits it to the proper governmental authority without the driver having to do anything. You even mentioned in this video that you are not certain how this is implemented in Los Angeles and were looking for people to provide you evidence of how it works. But why didn't you ask for drivers in LA to give that to you BEFORE producing a video in the first place? How hard would that have been?
Lyft is such an oversaturated market now too, EVERYONE wants to drive for uber or Lyft. I usually drive around for 1-2 hours before I even get one call for maybe 2 or 3 dollars for some family that wants to take 45 minutes at the market. You spend all your money on gas looking for pickups. I live in Phoenix, one of the largest cities, it’s not worth it. I drive around for 6 hours to make 25 dollars
Isaih Gloria I drove for Uber in Phoenix, such a scam! I lasted 17 days, 21 total trips. I actually lost money when all things were factored in. The Phoenix area sucks for wages period and Uber is just a scam!
$19/hr?? I'd be STOKED to get that, LOL. I make right under $10/hour, driving full-time (40+ hours a week). I then have to take out expenses, leaving me in the red. I drive for Uber right now (Going into my 3rd month, my bank account is currently Negative, with my Uber account starting negative this week for my car payment and gas card payments). It's really bad and that is in a market that is 'good'... The rates are just abysmally low, giving rides to riders for $2.50 is getting very exhausting and even feels disrespectful to me, as a driver. Then on top, hardly ANYONE tips (I have a 4.95 rating, with over 400 trips). It's basically impossible to make a living, solely driving for uber, unless you put in 100 hours a week. That doesn't sound like a life of 'being my own boss', that is slave wage for slave hours. Only reason I continue is to find a better job, through a pax offering/talking with them. It's already happened, but the guys business just wasn't busy enough. I hope to find another job ASAP.
I drive on Friday and Saturday night from 8pm to 4am in Northern NJ. I make between $22 to $35 per hour after expenses. I do not have car payments and do my own maintenance on a 2006 Toyota Matrix. I only drive during promotions which usually bumps my base earnings by about $100 over the weekend. The promotions can be tricky to take advantage of and require a little extra mental energy but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to work the system to your advantage.
People go to buffet and leave a couple of $ on the table for bussing and refills. They slam shut your car doors, get a dedicated service that their life and limb depends on and don't tip!
You didn't even mention the new terms of service regarding the upfront pricing, where instead of the usual percentage split on the fare, Uber can charge the customer whatever they want and then pay the driver whatever they say. And you can't drive unless you agree to be screwed over by the new terms.
Regardless, Uber will always find a way to fcuk you and not give a fcuk about your safety or the passengers. I quit 2 years ago and couldn't be happier and I'm in the DMV where it busy 24-7. But like any dream job it became a nightmare and Uber acted like they didn't know me. Rogue personnel, no straight answers and always excuses. BYE!! SCAM by greedy slave drivers getting rich off the desperate and dumb. So many better ways to make money and not lose your sanity over slobby entitled $5 riders. Pathetic.
Uber plans to fix that... by eliminating drivers. If I were a driver I would have second thoughts about working for a company that is working directly against my interests, no matter what they paid. I certainly wouldn't invest in a nice, late model car just to participate in a ride-sharing service that I knew was planning to replace me as soon as possible.
UBER drivers are helpless and dont waste time trying to explain to them that they are not making any money. Most of them can't do very simple math, not to mentioned managing "business". They have no ides what their cost(expense) per mile is. Stop wasting your time, I did too, let them work for free. I was averaging between $25-30 gross but I stopped driving for them because I felt income wasn't stable and something that I could rely on.
Yes, please don't explain to me how I'm not making money while I'm paying rent, cell phone bill, car payment, gas, insurance, food, dinner outings and so on thanks to Uber and Lyft. I guess all the people I owe money to for these monthly expenses are just wrong. I'll be sure to have them contact you so you can set then straight. BTW, she admits to being a shill for the young turks. I don't really need to say much more.
What you’re doing is taking a loan against the future value of your car. You aren’t MAKING money, you’re borrowing it and you’ll pay it back when you trade in your car.
You're making money, unless you live in an area with a terrible market for Uber/Lyft. I mean, sure the pay may only be $10+ an hour after expenses, but that is far from taking a loan against the future value of your car.
I agree - many drivers make almost nothing, or actually are losing money, but don't realize it yet - because they haven't paid their bills yet. The biggest cost is the depreciation on the value of the driver's vehicle because of all the mileage driven. A driver may have a vehicle that's worth $15,000, and after driving for a year, that vehicle's value may have dropped $5,000 - $7,000 because of the mileage driven. Many drivers have not deducted that depreciation from the money they thought they made last year. They have not yet had to repair or replace a car that wore out much sooner because of all the miles they put on while driving for Uber. A major expense for taxi companies is maintaining and replacing a fleet of vehicles. Uber has shifted that cost to the drivers, many who don't yet realize how badly they are getting screwed.
While, I know that a smart driver can profit well off of Uber (Depending on the market), I do agree with your statements. Many drivers probably couldn't care less about their expenses until it is too late. All drivers should calculate their costs to drive. Some people have great cars for Uber, while some driver terrible ones. A Prius can do well, however there are drivers that drive a Tesla for UberX. (Some of these people drive out of boredom though.)
I agree. Some people enjoy driving, and would be out driving anyways. If they consider driving for Uber as a way to reduce the cost of something they enjoy doing, that's a plus - just as long as they aren't counting on Uber to pay the rent.
I agree with you Uber is scam. They need to take of their drivers because they're are the one who brings revenue for the company. Start charging 1.50 per mile or more Uber drivers so your drivers can fucking provide for their family..
Did a ride with a total of $8.01 Uber gets: Service Fee $2.31 - Booking Fee $2.20 = $4.51 Total I got $3.50 total... Uber gets more than half, WTF!! We're the ones giving the service not Uber, why does Uber take the service fee? SCAM!!!
I only drive on weekends in the NY area. And I make 300-500 every weekend. Maybe because of the population here. Sometimes it’s non stop and I don’t get a minute to relax. Last weekend I made $625.
Uber sucked when they paid 2 bucks per mile because after taxes and expenses and gas ,..you were making virtually Zero ,..so imagine what it is now in 2017 at 70 cents per mile ( or even less ),..
I have to agree I drove for Uber but don't even log on anymore. the only time I've made decent money with Uber is in The winter snow storm or rain storm because no drivers are on the road & surge pricing stays up I hate that they send me to another town just for $5 And that's nerve racking and not worth driving for them.
More wear and tear on your vehicle driving in the winter. I wouldn't do that if I were you. If there's surge pricing due to a concert, a ballgame and festival all within one weekend, then yes, it's worth driving. But winter snow storms, surge pricing only covers reasonable hazard pay, it's not actually covering wear and tear due to rock salt and ice pelting your car's windshield, outside and undercarriage.
I agree with the video. I drove for Uber for 2 weeks in 2015. One thing they don't mention is that Uber doesn't pay you for the drive back to your home. So you can do a bunch of drives and then you end up 60 miles from your house and drive home getting hit by tolls.
True, although I've had good luck with their destination feature getting rides on my way home. Some areas are better than others for this. I try to use this strategically though.
The burden of paying sales tax is on the CUSTOMER not the driver. Like in any business the provider of the service or product merely collects sales tax from the customer and remits it to the proper jurisdiction. Uber collects sales tax from the passenger which means that sales tax does not impact the driver in any way shape or form.
True, but it still doesn't explain the inflated figures Uber is promoting. They love to promote the Gross incom (the amount collected from riders including sales tax) and ignore the Net (the amount that actually goes into the pockets of drivers).
You're confusing Sales Tax (Tax on goods or services sold to a consumer, paid by the business) with Use Tax (similar, but usually applied in cases where sales tax isn't collect, paid by the consumer)
Sales tax is paid by the customer. The business is responsible for collecting it from the customer and remitting it to the state or locality. But ultimately the customer pays the sales tax. Use tax is when you buy something that should be subject to sales tax but you do not get charged for it, usually because you purchased something out of state and the seller is not obligated to collect.
Although I do agree that the $19 is inflated, the sales tax is a separate line item on the receipts and is most likely not included in that figure. The funny thing is the original video is hypocritical because they mention that Uber made $10 billion in revenue to make them seem like they're robbing the drivers but fail to mention that they've had a net loss almost every year since inception.
It depends on the Area, and Car. But it would be nice if Uber were honest! If they told you if the area was saturated with Drivers. Gave you a few dollars to go-to a certain area, rather than try to Trick You, or Offer a few dollars to work nights.
I agree that Uber isn't the best way to make a living. I work Uber EATS 3-4 hours a day at night and I work enough just to make bonuses and extra surge prices at night. I found an area that generally pays cash tips more often. McDonalds really keeps me busy. The rest of the days in the mornings I deliver Postmates with my motorcycle. Super low maintenance and tips I earn is more than enough to cover oil changes and everything else. For me, it works out. I know how to do all my own mechanical and maintenance work. I get parts for cheap and Uber eats deliveries are short distances. I don't drive a lot of miles so I don't spend a lot on gas and my tires don't wear out fast. But this is great for side money, I have other income sources so I may or may not stop Uber and Postmates sometimes soon. I enjoy it for now
I done 2,200 rides with uber, 8,600 with lyft. Both banned me for kicking out a passenger who was aggressive towards me. 1 bad apple is all it takes to get you banned. This proves your not an independent contractor, uber/lyft run the show, not the drivers . I was highly rated but all it takes is 1 passenger to ruin it for you. They really went out there way to make it sound like i left them abandon for no reason. Boycott these fools
Lyft is only slightly better in some features.. thats about it.. WHEN COMPETITION BETWEEN UBER AND LYFT COMES.. ITS $ 4.50 PER MINIMUM RIDE. BOTH ARE EQUAL IN EACH MARKET .. IF ONE IS GOING TO SAY 3 DOLLAR FOR MIMINUM RIDE. THAN BOTH DOES THE SAME THING. THEN THEY TELL DRIVERS DONT WORRY ITS THE WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE SIMPLE LIE: THEY SAY MORE LOWER FARE FOR CUSTOMERS = MORE RIDES.. YA OK.. SURE.... IN UNICORN LAND... BOTH LYFT AND UBER OVER HIRE NEW DRIVERS AND THEN THEY NOW DONT HAVE TO PAY SUREGES AS OFTEN.. SO MONEY THAT YOU COULD EARN LAST YEAR BY DRIVING 5 HRS.. NOW WILL TAKE YOU 8-9 HRS.. ITS CALLED SPEND MORE GAS , TIME AND WEAR AND TARE YOU DAM CAR... AT YOUR EXPENSE SO UBER AND LYFT CAN MAKE MORE MONEY WHILE YOU DESTROY YOUR NEW OR OLD CAR. UBER AND LYFT ARE BOTH SCAMMERS WHEN IT COMES TO EARNING BIG MONEY.. ITS JUST AN OPPERTUNITY TO TAKE YOUR SHIT AND LET YOU MAKE SOME CASH.. FOR A REAL JOB? ITS PAINFULLY SAD. IT LITERALLY HURTS MY EGO TO DRIVE FOR $ 3.60 FOR DRIVING 2-4 MILES... MINUS GAS.. HOW THE F IS THAT SHIT EVEN ETHICALLY RIGHT TO MAKE DRIVERS MAKE THAT SHITTY INCOME ON SHORT RIDES. SOME PEOPLE I KNOW STOPPED DRIVING BECAUSE THEY SAID ITS LIKE IM A MASS TRANSIT DRIVER.. USING MY OWN CAR TO DO WHAT BUSSES AND TRAINS ARE SUPPOSE TO DO.. EARNING 3 DOLLAR TO DROP PEOPLE HOME FROM WORK ETC.... AND SHIT LIKE UBER POOL AND LYFT LINE.. IS THE REAL EXAMPLE OF HOW YOUR CAR IS NOW A SHUTTLE BUS AND TRAIN.
Th driver is only paid from the moment he/she picks up passenger until dropoff. The mileage to that rider is paid at the rate of ZERO. Many requests are up to 10 minutes, several miles away. That adds up to huge losses and depreciation.
correction, uber now does a "long pickup fee" but only for minutes beyond 10. The driver, in my market, still absorbs the first 10 minutes. Most requests are 10 or less anyway do uber does not have to pay much out on this.
Still think our Uber video was wrong? How do you feel about people whose personal experiences don't quite match up with the math because of their tricks, and hacks, and tips that Uber doesn't promote? What do you guys think could be better alternatives that would be fair to riders AND drivers? Let us know your comments below!
ScIQ, well... for one, I see uber as an alternative to going to Title Pawns. And further, it's something you do on your way to somewhere using the "Destination Filter" as they call it, in which case it's the only time - rightly so - what they'd like call it a "Rideshare"! Finally, if you enjoy driving, chatting with strangers and you feel like cruising to get around as a form of relaxation and getting preoccupied, it's good for you. Otherwise, if you don't identify yourself with any of the 3 categories above, rest assured it's still not a job, but you're doing it at least as a volunteering individual allowing uber to make money out of your property and labor while getting some f-ing bread crumbs in return. When I say all this it's with the uberX platform in mind.
ScIQ, in your video you didn't mention the fact that you're required to get insurance coverage for doing Rideshare services from your vehicle insurer, which I'm sure most drivers don't do, that would definitely incur additional premium amount on top of your basic insurance you purchased for private use.
The nature of the beast, if you want to make money, is driving during peak times & doing other economy apps when things get slow with the Rideshare apps. For example, Amazon flex pays $18/hr. I do that during the down times.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER DESIGNED AS THE UTMOST TRUTH IS MATH.... All else are lies... I was an uber driver for a while. It was not worth any of my time. The one thing that I had a problem with, is the fact that I would many times drive them 5 mins from the pick, when I took me 15 mins to drive to the pick up. Uber is using folks so well. Any one driving for uber would actually make so much more money being a cab driver. Uber is a huge joke.... Both of these videos are so spot on. Thank You for putting the truth out...
This lady is telling 100% Correct. I am an Uber rider, In my city Uber services are newly launched. Because of Uber I can travel in night after 10pm if necessary. Many Uber drivers have told me, they are not earning any penny out of this
I thought it was poor, lacked detail, lacked evidence to back up the argument. Where was the analysis of real driver earnings using documented evidence over time with associated examples of costs obtained from real driver records. It's just poor to try to make an argument without sufficient evidence.
I thought about driving for Uber for one second then I thought about the depreciation of my car gas time stress and how little money you make to mess up your car I said hell to the no why would anyone drive for Uber more than 2 to 3 months
I don't know if we should call it scam, but everything you say, is ABSOLUBTELY true, period and I don't know we're they make 90 cents per mile, because in Orlando, Fl is 75 cents and in North Carolina is even less...
zorro951000 She is basing her rates off of L.A., which currently makes 96 cents per mile and another 30 cents per mile or so based off time based fare. Her numbers are biased though, they don't include the time based fare and it doesn't cost 54 cents on average to drive a mile for uber. Also drivers dont pay sales tax from their driver fare.
You need to talk about Uber's REFERRAL BONUS SCAM. For example, they claim in my area you get an extra $200 for your first 30 rides. This is advertised as a BONUS. When I completed my 30 rides, Uber said that because I already made about $200 in normal fares, that the bonus will not be given to me. In other words, it's not a bonus. It is just there to give you an extra $10-50 if you only got short rides your first 30 trips. It is a complete SCAM. Uber driving is GARBAGE.
Spot 1. Driver Earnings. Driver fare has 3 parts. She only mentions one part. There's base fare, distance based fare and time based fare. Now, in LA, there isn't base fare, she only left out time based fare out of that. You are looking at roughly 2 minutes per mile when driving in the city. 15 cents x 2 minutes ~ 30 cents per mile based off of time that she leaves out. When she references Detroit, she only mentions 1 out of the 3 parts of driver earnings that Detroit has. (I don't remember if she mentions Detroit in this specific video, but this is a follow up to her first video.) 2. Driver costs - It does not cost 54 cents per mile to drive a car for Uber. My cost, for example, is ~15 cents per mile. (Of course, I have to add about 50% to account for dead miles - without a rider in the car.) 3. Drivers are responsible to turn in sales tax to the government. However, it does not come out of their fare. Uber is responsible to collect this on top of the fare. They then pass that money along to the driver, who then must turn it over to the government. It doesn't come out of the drive fare.
She is right lmao 😂 I Drove for Uber for two years in Boston and was busy don't get me wrong and I made some great money but after the expenses you are really making mínimum wage so I recommend to do it as a part time not worth it full time .
One of the best ways to maximize profit margin are these surge and prime time runs. Knowing the demand trends in your market can also best set up a driver for surge/prime time as well.
exactly.. I made More money in winter because surge was always up. or I'd drive sometimes in the morning or afternoon when surge kicks in around my area
InandaroundTO a lot of driver's have that mind set it doesn't work that way. surge happens when it's less drivers on the road & they go online when they see surge on the map then it fades away not to mention it could be surge pricing in you're City but you'd have to be sitting in that area for it to kick in which is stupid
My wife and I have both driven for uber in the oversaturated Tampa market. Rideshares at current are at best a casual income. We know a few that do well with it but they are on the road 60-80 hours a week and only have riders maybe 30% of the time. That is how the math presented works is if you can stay busy and disregard the excessive wear on your vehicle. In this area we struggled to pick up a consistent $6/hr after costs.
I think that not only are you right, you didn't even go far enough. You see, you need to consider the fact that Uber doesn't pay for every mile. So, for example, I had a ride request once that was 18 miles outside the city. I had to drive 18 miles just to pick them up in a small town. Then I drove those 18 miles back into the city. That's 36 miles total. Multiply that by 53 and 1/2 cents per mile, and that comes to $19 that it cost me to do that drive. But Uber only paid me $13.80. So my wage that hour was literally a negative number. Not only was it less than minimum wage, my wage that hour was less than zero. Why? Because they didn't pay me for the first 18 miles to drive out there. They only paid for the 18 miles coming back. If I had gotten paid for all 36 miles, then I would have gotten about $27, which is significantly more than $19. BUT, I had to drive out there in order to pick them up. I can't pick them up without driving out there, right? This is one of the reasons why you can make pretty good money in a big city like Chicago or LA. But in smaller cities, you're driving way out of your way into some small farm village just to pick people up. This is what makes it impossible to earn a profit in these smaller cities. Most of your pickups are a further distance than the rides themselves. So, for example, you drive 7 miles to pick someone up and give them a 2 mile ride. Then you drive another 14 miles to give someone a 5 mile ride. Then you drive another 8 miles to give someone a 3 mile ride. This happens all the time. And what makes it even worse is when the drivers who "drive smart" as they call it, decline those far away drives, and cherry pick to give themselves the good rides. This causes the drivers who accept all rides to get even more of the crummy rides out into the middle of nowhere, where the fare basically just pays for gas. And it gets even worse when you drive 12 miles to some small farm town, and someone just wants a ride around the block, where you get paid your $3 minimum fare. So, you basically just burned $3 of gas to earn $3. In my city, we get paid 60 cents per mile. But if you're only getting paid for half of your miles, then you're really only getting 30 cents per mile. And on the days when you're driving more miles in between pickups and drop offs, then you're only getting paid for about 1/3 of your miles, taking you down to 20 cents per mile, which merely pays for the gas. And with some vehicles, like an SUV, which burn a lot of gas, you're barely breaking even. Granted, an SUV can do the XL rides, which pay more, but you're also required to do the regular paid X rides as well. In fact, more than half of your rides will be the lower paid X rides, even when you have a gas-guzzling XL vehicle.
Let say you are able to make $30 per hour Uber takes $7.50 Sales tax is $2.63 Gas is about $5 Car maintenance + depreciation is about $2.5 You are already down to $12.37 per hour. That's a little more than minimum wage, but most people will not make $30 an hour.
I dont do Uber but i do drive lift, and what i can say is that you cannot just go out and drive, you have to be observant, know your market, do research of the days happenings, have an awesome personality, and have side hustles . If you know what your doing when the rider leaves the car they will still want to give you money through your website, the car ride should be about trying to get more sales by other means, and making them think its their idea
I tried Uber a few times but then I stopped using them (pun intended) because I realized the drivers were totally getting ripped off by the ridiculously low fares. I felt bad for taking "advantage" of them. You are absolutely right. It IS a scam.
Yep, it's a scam. Driven for them for two years now due to the repressed job market here in Perth AU. And yes, they expect us to pay the tax man 10% even though we don't collect that 10% from the riders (we collect nothing, in fact -- we get a paycheck, like employees).
True! Why does not Uber take 25% from "Profit (Fare-ExpensesPerKm)". Uber takes 25% from fare or "ticket price" sometimes higher. In no business is profit share taken from fare collected or ticket price. The profit or loss has to be shared between "PARTNERS". Loss is what riders get when uber drops rates because it is physically possible to do only so many rides per day ( say about 20 rides in 16hrs per day). Govt has to make Uber stick to the Tarrif set by Taxi unions. It was set for a reason so that neither the drivers or the riders get over/undercharged. See more here: th-cam.com/video/H2SNHnZ7kyA/w-d-xo.html&lc=z23qh1vxwuv0jbpu3acdp434otctkerlrs1pydzepklw03c010c
LYFT PAYS DRIVERS MORE. AND AS A CUSTOMER OF UBER IM PISSED OFF They TOOK MY money and dont have a number im about to call corprate i want to talk to person not an email. Your not going to charge MY DEBIT card uber and get away with it AND THAT UBER CREDIT IS A MAJOR
I drove for Uber for over a year and I can tell you right now that it is better to be a customer then employee of Uber I did the words free pregnant water charger the lots experience and the more I drove the lower rating I got to force people to give you a honest rating which would help you have the time you’re done with drunk people for people that just don’t care they just want a ride now the cost $30 per day sometimes a trip to the gas station twice a day for a full 12 hour shift on the road where and tear on the vehicle on the weekend I would make roughly about 300 -$40 for gas sometimes 80 $20 for a A pack of water amenities and plus you have to eat yourself $20 a day out of that 300 every weekend barely make $40 during the week best time to make any money is there in the weekend
And I forgot to mention even before you can start driving you have to pay for licensing and all the other underbelly stuff you have to make sure your vehicle is ready to be on the road you have to pay your city to be a taxi cab and have to be inspected an additional of the already government mandated registration they give you a special sticker that goes on the right side of your front windshield
Uber company is a pier mid scheme well you have employees working for a possible objective promised a false number while the people on top we’re getting a slice of your hard work will be Rich why you were given LOW wage then working at any fast food restaurant on part time hours
John Sillivan I got lucky when it came to licensing. All of my fees were paid by Uber. The only fee that i was responsible for was the city vehicle license, but the law changed so that it was no longer required in my state. You might see if any of the licenses are reimbursable by Uber. They don't refund any fees unless you put in a request, as they don't know if lyft already paid fees.)
I have been driving Uber for a month. Yes, Uber is fucked up. After expenses and taxes, the pay is not so great. I am also just about done with picking up senior citizens ever. They are a fucking terror. The only trade off is that Uber is a job you can work whenever the fuck you feel like it and you don't have to get to work at any set hour so if you get insomnia you don't have to stress out.
the only way drivers make less than minimum wage with uber its because we "drivers" allow uber to send us to pick up a passenger 10min or 15m away throughout the entire shift we work in a day. drivers. this is the reason why driver work 13hrs or mare and we see 10hrs pay
If you drive surge/ strip clubs you can make money. Don't think your gonna turn the app on and get $19/hr. If you're in a good city at .90/mi maybe but lots of cities don't even pay that. Uber gives you a sticker/app that's it, your on your own to find the money. Isn't it convenient that after the CEO gets canned they now talking about tipping?
The thing with Uber, is that you have to run it smartly, the same as any business. In my city, I would earn a minimum of $1,000 on average, generally only working 30-35 hours per week (meaning, I’m only logged in, not that I am necessarily driving for 30-35 hours). The thing is, there are so many variables to driving, most, I think, which are in control by the drivers themselves. Sure, Uber and Lyft are probably guilty of false advertising by saying you’ll make $30, resulting in drivers logging in at 1pm on a Tuesday, and getting annoying at their not earning $30 by 2pm. The thing is, it is up to a driver to figure out how to run it as smartly as possible. For me, I have a general outline as to when I work, but I also tweak it all the time (such as last week, when I drove before going to a show, then driving for 1 hour afterwards), knowing that the pricing would spike as soon as 3,000 people left the theatre.
I think if you're doing Uber Black or Uber SUV in a big city, and you already own and paid off your luxury vehicle, then you can make good money. But I really see it as just a part time thing to experiment with, not a full time job. You need a full time job in order to afford driving for Uber.
second those people saying they couldn't pay their rent here's a tip, you have to do the work so get out there and work. then you will get your rent paid.
If tipping were allowed and encouraged (like with Lyft!) Uber would be less of a scam. As with hospitality workers - the wages are low, but the tips make up the difference.
Tipping is being added into the Uber platform. All US drivers should have it in the application by the end of July. I have always gotten tips while driving for both Uber and Lyft. If you followed my channel you would see that I was the first in the nation to report that tipping was going to be rolled out.
For real people will write all kinds of lovable comments on your profile but won't ever tip or super rarely and that goes for Lyft ., I'm not impressed
I occasionally drive for Uber, but I do it not to make money, but because I like to drive. So if someone is willing to pay me to drive, that's cool. But I would own a car, the car would depreciate, I'd buy insurance, and I'd maintain the car whether I drove for Uber or not, so those expenses aren't really as high as you'd think.
GeekinTexas The point about maintenance is that driving for Uber means you'll be riding your car a lot harder than the average person, so repair and maintenance is more frequent and therefore more costly.
And all those anti uber comments that use false numbers are part of the taxi marketing team :D I can understand someone saying that it isn't worth driving for Uber, but if that's the case then she should use realistic numbers.
"but I won't put all this investment for uber to make 50c/mile doing pool and pays uber 25% commission." How do you figure 50 cents a mile for Uber pool? As a driver you make the same rate with Uber Pool as you do Uber X.
this is the formula for idiots like you. $200(in 11 hours drive)- 150miles*0.54c(account for using your car as commercial car. used to claim in tax)= $10.81/hour (no bonus for over time) driving your own damn car. if we take away the business licence and pay for proper commercial insurance driver will be lucky to make $5/hr. so go read your bible for someone who never heard of it. if you love uber so much and you are making $10k a month. good for you. make sure to keep yr eyes on road instead of leading a crusade war on comments 2 convince people to drive for uber.
I agree, In Canada outside of Toronto I made 540$ working 25 hrs BUT I spend around 130$ on gas on average week driving a regular car, 60$ a week for car payments and 60$ a week on Insurance so overall im spending around 270$ a week to drive
Moral of the story: buy a cheap gas saving car that runs good and barely meets requirement. Run it into the ground and part it out. I paid 3k for a high mileage Prius. My expenses to operate my vehicle including gas, wear and tear, maintenance, major repairs, insurance, depreciation: .14 ¢ per mile. The IRS mileage deduction is just the amount they allow you to claim, which actually works in your favor because after you claim mileage your effective taxable income is 0. Not sure why people are complaining. I make like 86 ¢ per mile after Ubers cut. I gross $20 an hour before bonuses. After expenses including forementioned car costs as well as separate phones for work I take home about 16-17, which is like working a job for $22-23/hr. It's low barrier to entry, low skill, low stress...anyone can do it. What do you expect, paid vacation to Maui and a blowjob on the free cruise there? How is it a scam. Why does Tom Brady make so much money? Because he's the only one that can do what he does. The rideshare market is saturated. I make more than most desk jobs, and I make my own schedule. Oh, and I get my earnings immediately. All I have to do is drive and talk to people. Is Uber probably a bunch of greedy fucks, and do I get a very small piece of the pie, just like any corporation? Sure. But what's the difference in not getting insurance but making 20/hr and making 10/hr with coverage? Which would you choose? Not a scam, you know what you're signing up for...
-Prius cost of purchase minus parts sale after 100k miles (depreciation): $1000 -maintenance- oil changes: $1000 a year for full synthetic -wear and tear- new tires and brakes, installed them myself: $500 (1000 if done by mechanic), new spark plugs and water pump, alignment, brake fluid change: $900 - major repairs- none, Priuses are reliable and long lasting, worst case scenario battery cells need to be replaced: $1500 -Gas: .05 per mile (50 mpg @ $2.50/gal) 100k miles driven (I worked 60-70 hrs per week) so: $5000. -insurance: you're going to pay insurance on your car regardless, technically rideshare insurance was $30, but since we're calculating per mile operation cost, the whole thing was $190/mo, or $2280/ yr. So, I drove 100k miles, and those were my costs. Let's see how close it was to 54k in expenses... Oh...$11,680. Yeah not remotely close...I'm not done btw. So take the standard IRS deduction of 54 ¢ per mile, and apply it to 100k miles, which of course is $54k. Subtract that from gross income ($20/hr 70 hrs/wk × 50 wks = 3500 hours × $20 = 70k) so 70k minus 54k is 16k. That is your taxable income, which would be taxed at about 20% depending on your state (mine has no state tax, but a self employment tax) could be less but definitely not much more. So 3200 in taxes. I also use 2 separate work phones so $100 in phone bills per month that I wouldn't otherwise have. So 1200+3200+11680 roughly 16k. 54k bring home or overall expenses of 1350/mo, on an income of 6000 per month. Point is, I'm missing the scam here.
Has anyone mentioned that smaller cities have a less cost of living? For example here in El Paso the cost of living is so cheap no joke a 3 bedroom apartment with 2 bathrooms will cost you tops $600 dollars. Anyways over here people do make more than the minimum. I’ve had days I made over the 19 bucks an hour. But yea it’s not an every day thing it has its days.
I do understand that the pay rate for drivers are low, sadly. But where I live, in Brazil, the taxi service is so, so bad, that there are no other viable option. It makes me sad that who decides to do as a full-time job doesn't earn a compatible wage. Hope they reconsider the payment for them. :)
I drive for UBER and LYFT. It's true that you don't really make money after calculating all the hours, insurance, wear and tear on car, gas etc etc. The only good thing is that you can get instant cash without having to borrow money or beg from a rich relative or friends.
What you really forgot was tax deductions... some even get (tax) money BACK. Your car rent, your car purchase, your cellphone you use, your gas, maintenance, everything, even those bottles of water for your passengers all of that are TAX WRITE-OFFs so if you do your taxes as you should, you could even receive money in some cases after all. And most of Uber Drivers only pay income taxes without any problems... so maybe it won't come out to these 19 dollars/hour for most drivers but then there are others, a bit smarter, who even make WAY MORE than that after the calculation... So maybe it's not Uber that's the scam, it's like so often the people just doing it wrong or whatever. I personally would do it like this: It's a great side option if you wanna start your own business, like some sort of your own consulting service... maybe it won't pay out in the beginning and Uber can help you to pay your rent, pay your bills until that business of yours really starts working out the way it should... OR you could do a full-time-Uber Job, knowing all the tips and secrets and making some decent money with Uber. If you think, just download the app like any mobile game and start having fun, nothing to worry about and what you see in your app is what you get, no calculation needed because I can't calculate it, then you probably should pick up trash in the park or go to McDonalds, maybe working in some factories, the easy jobs... better stay in school, start doing your maths, get smart, then you can make money... or just be lucky. Anyways don't believe, you just download the app, get into your car whenever you like, make money like hell and stop working after 2 hours or so because yeah why not.
Well, IF her numbers were right, then the tax deductions wouldn't matter and there wouldn't be a reason to include it. However, both her driver earnings and her driver costs are both terribly wrong because she is clearly biased. For someone who cares so much about math, she is terrible at it xD. She leaves out a good portion of the fare (lowering the driver earnings) and then she chooses 54 cents as the cost, which is not an accurate number UNLESS you don't already have a vehicle for personal use and you only intent to drive the vehicle 15k miles a year.
"it's that they are lying to their drivers about this particular number ($19.04 average earnings per hour)." "If you drive for Uber roughly 30 miles per hour, and your rate of pay is roughly 90 cents per mile.....then you're going to generate about $27 per hour." Um...that's higher earnings than Uber stated. Good job there disproving their number. That number isn't a lie. I do agree that it is misleading, as people don't generally understand what earnings are. Earnings are not the same as net income.
18 rides today only $113 since they started their Uber Pro it seems I’m making less I don’t want there card or there points. I want the money. And riders don’t be mad if you can’t get rides in your area because you don’t tip.
This whole income tax argument is one good example of internet autism. "You made that argument that pay is really really low but you ignored this miniscule thing that makes it even lower. Peasants."
I'm not sure about the other countries but here in New Zealand, yes, Uber isn't worth working with, unless you are Uni students or you don't really want to deal with people like your boss, and you want freedom income and you don't have any skills but driving. Uber doesn't pay you car services fee, insurance, fuel. plus even you are driving Uber during those PEAK TIME, you still won't get good money, due to bad traffic condition, I'm currently driving for Uber eats. in dinner time yes you don't even need to worry about requests, but also the traffic during that time is bad. I ended up like 2.5 requests in one hour during peak time. and when you take off all the expense on top of it. you only get 10 bucks an hour lol
Uber is a joke, I was a driver and I will tell you I made next to nothing after paying all of the gas, toll entrance fees dead area driving, if they charged more per ride they would still get enough riders where drivers can earn a fair wage.
Hi SciQ, I'm an Uber driver in NYC. First thank you for posting such info. In doing reach in Uber rates I came across your postings. I joined a Independent Driver Guild which is the only union contracted with Uber. Our organization is also bringing awareness to drivers. I like to contact you to see if you can help with further data, specifically regarding NYC Uber drivers and the differences in doing UberX and UberBlack Car. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Don't forget to factor in the tax deductibility of all the mileage and goodies. Being a contractor it's not about the per hour its what you take home at the end of the day and week. It is all about how you play the game.
Its actually very dumb that they dont pay workers q decent wage. By taking less from the drivers earnings, you would not only have happier workers and a better reputation. In the long run you'd have q much better change of killing the taxi business definitively. And It would be better for the world if the people had decent wages.
1. Earnings is NOT the same thing as profit. 19 dollars per hour is NOT profit. It is Earnings. The "27 dollar figure" that was calculated, would be earnings as well. If the chart is misleading, it isn't because of wrong numbers. 2. You are leaving out $9.00 per hour out of earnings when you leave out the 15 cents per minute part of the fare. On average, it takes 2 minutes per mile of driving. 30 miles = 60 minutes. 60 minutes x 15 cents is $9.00. After commission is $6.75. That's nearly minimum wage in itself that you're leaving out. 3. 54 cents per mile is insanely high for UberX. 54 cents per mile is not the average for Sedans. It is the average for work vehicles, that includes Work trucks and full sized work vans that aren't even allowed to drive for Uber. It includes SUVs and Luxury cars that get paid a premium, so it is biased to include those here if we aren't going to increase the fares to adjust for their costs. 4. You don't have to give your customers free things such as water or even chargers.
Uhmmm all of those things that you listed as expenses are tax deductible. I agree that they may have used some clever wording saying that you "make" this much money. What they should say is that you can net as much as x amount.
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I drove for Uber but got really tired of taking someone 3 or 4 miles for $3 and the fact that they discourage tipping really makes it a BAD deal, riders have no appreciation for your car or the time you spend hauling them around... they act like you are their personal cabbie for $3 fuck Uber
has their decision to allow tipping alter your decision at all?
dogishappy0, No, cause there're way more issues beyond tipping.
They are adding in application tipping.
Drove uber purely for the tax benefits. The cash earnings were a total joke, it got under $10/hr in my area real quick after a sweetheart phase, even before wear and tear goes in. It's only good to do it for a month if you need to replace tires, get repairs, whatever and you're past the standard deduction.
Uber announced in-app tipping coming to US markets by the end of next month. Three markets are currently live with in-app tipping: Houston, Seattle and Minneapolis.
Lyft also just announced increased tip minimums for trips over $25.00, passengers will now see higher tip thresholds for these rides. As always passengers can always tip within the Lyft app.
I'm in an engineer. As such, I'm a nerd. As such, I keep detailed logs on all of my cars. I can tell you the exact cost per mile for driving any of my cars. Fuel, preventative maintenance, repairs, depreciation, etc...
I have a car that is a high cost per mile and a car that is low cost per mile. A couple years ago I considered driving for Uber or Lyft with the lower cost per mile car during the weekends.
But before I signed up, I ran the numbers. I couldn't afford to drive for either one. The numbers actually came out negative for my scenario. Again, for my scenario. So these videos don't surprise me at all.
You're exactly right. Even with an extremely fuel efficient Toyota Prius, your numbers will come out negative. Try actually driving for Uber, and see how it works. You'll be surprised at how ridiculous it is. You'll drive 12 miles into some small town to pick someone up, and they'll want a ride around the block. You'll get paid $3. Then you have to drive the 12 miles back to the city. You won't want to stay in that small town, otherwise you'll wait for 2 hours before getting another ride request. You HAVE to drive back to the city. So you basically drove 24 miles to make $3. If your car gets 24 miles per gallon, and a gallon is $3, then you burned $3 of gas to make a $3 fare. And that was your hour.
Yup. Been there. Done that. Even if you have a Prius which gets 52 miles per gallon. Ok, so you burned only half a tank of gas. So, you burned $1.50 to earn $3. And that's how you spent 45 minutes of your hour, earning a measly $1.50.
I can attest to this, I just recently tried doing Uber due to being unable to lift anything heavy from a car accident. I would often have to drive 6-10 miles just to pick someone up and take them another 4-5 miles farther away from the main residential/city areas only to make $4 or so, then have to drive about 15-25 miles back to get another fare.
About 120 miles, 7 hours, and 14 trips later, and I only came out with about $70 and used almost 1/3rd of my gas tank, not really worth it, even though I drive a 2018 Toyota Camry.
My profits with Uber were great even though I had a car that got 15 mpg city and used Premium gas only. It's impossible to predict what kind of surge fares you will get, or even if you'll get any. But in my case I always had a new rider waiting as soon as I dropped the current one off, the distance to pickups was very small (lots of times the pickup location was the dropoff location for the current rider), and nearly every ride was a surge ride. People in the city routinely went to the same bars and nightclubs and events without fail, for years. If I had a prius or even a chevy cruze the margins would be insane.
You're welcome for the comment. Honestly, I would sign up if I were you. Just do it every now and then. Because when a holiday comes by, you can make a lot of money on that holiday, since most of your rides will be 3x or 4x the normal fare. On those days it is worth it. For instance, New Year's Day is big, St. Patrick's Day is extremely big, and then also the Wednesday before Thanksgiving. Oh, and also the day before July 4th. These days are really busy, and you'll make a lot of money.
But I suggest having a full time job that has payed holidays and vacation. And then, while your full time job is giving you a paid holiday, you can get out in your car and drive people around. On those days, your full time job is paying you, and you're making huge amounts of money with Uber on top of it.
That's the ONLY thing I would ever suggest for anyone. Full time Uber? Don't even think about it.
plus you have to use a newer car only for uber. this uber might have been more worth it if they opened up the service to all cars regardless of age.
I drove for Uber for over a year. I think they are the most pathetic company ever. They manipulate drivers with false surges. If they put a huge surge in a area where there are no drivers. Drivers will drive there. When they get there the surge happens to disappear or a ride will pop up outside of the surge. They post surge area's above or below where they need drivers. I drove on the outskirts of the city because the rides were longer. I would sit with no rides sometimes for hours. Then up pops a surge where I was. Surprise surprise I would not receive a ride. I watched surge area's disappear as my car icon would touch the surge. The things that are said in this video are 100% true. How about Uber eats. Drive 8 miles to pick up food for a pick up fee of $1.75 and then the drop off is 1 mile away. You made $4-5 and spent more. There pick up area's for big events is also a huge joke. You get surge pricing but it takes you forever to drop off the passenger and even longer to leave. Your not getting paid when they get out and you spend 45 minutes trying to get out of the area. Pick up areas after bars. One specific area. How dangerous is that for riders and drivers. People get really irritated after a night of drinking waiting for a Uber driver that can't get through all the traffic to get to them. Remember to pick up that surge rider. You spent 20-45 minutes to pick them up. Now they need to get dropped off 2 miles down the road. Even with a surge you made nothing. Honestly math will prove how crazy it is to drive for uber. Sooner or later Uber is doomed. I get mad when I think about the drivers that are getting taken advantage of by them. UBER IS A SCAM AND IN TIME EVERYONE WILL AGREE.
"UBER IS A SCAM AND IN TIME EVERYONE WILL AGREE"...Absolutely, You can fool some people all the time and you can fool all people some time but you can't fool all people all the time.
It's app based so the manipulation is up the wazoo and the Uber slime balls couldn't be happier.
It really is a SCAM.
Especially now with "upfront pricing".
Please do a report on this.
UberX Files, very true. There's a Class Action lawsuit in progress in this regard already in New York City if I'm not mistaken.
UberX Files I don't think I've ever had a ride cost me less than about $5.50 CAD despite some of them being under a km (took it because it was pouring and I had an interview, wasn't surge)
There is a minimum fare. It's is well known and right there in the contract you agreed to.
I drove for Uber on the side and one day had 9 rides over 12 hours. My take was $33 and change plus one $2 tip.
There was nothing realistic about your comment. Even if you had 9 rides at $3.00 per ride would be $27.00. No way it took you 12 hours to do 9 rides only making $33.00.
@@bellagrace9812 i know right. The minimum fare is like $6. I'm pretty sure some of his rides were higher. Unless he's deducting costs like tax, gas, etc
This video (and the old one) are dead on. 100% correct. I don't know why people try and argue with math.
Your Personal Driver her math is fine. Her numbers are off. Ask yourself why she leaves out part of the driver fare? 1 mile takes about 2 minutes when you include traffic lights. That's about 30 cents per mile that she's leaving out of both videos. The 54 cents per mile is only accurate if you buy a new car and only drive 40 miles a day then sell your car at 75k miles. Of you drive for uber, it is very unlikely that you only drive 40 miles per day between work and personal miles.
I agree that you can operate at less than 54 cents a mile. But the math is still the same. You just use, say, 30 cents instead of 54
artofbeingcheap.com/calculator/ since you guys are having a hard time finding your per mile costs.
I did an entire video on it in fact: th-cam.com/video/gimQfg_EXlI/w-d-xo.html
+Your personal Driver I've already calculated mypersonal cost to drive for uber to be about 15.3 cents per mile (about 23 cents per customer mile). EZwA is a Taxi driver, who believes that uber drivers pay $1.30 per customer mile. As you can tell, these numbers are totally close and without bias to each other :D
Uber is a scam. I drove for 3 months. The amount of money I put into this is way more than i made driving. I depreciated my car and made lots of repairs after those 3 months not to mention how many times a week I have to clean it to be able to get my family in the car after Friday and Saturday nights vomit. I am glad I woke up. I rather work on a garbage truck with a weekly pay check.
Uber takes like 50 percent of short trips. That's why I hate them.. I can't even see where the customer is going ..everything is shady with Uber
@EZwA Do you know how to type or just think being stupid with it is an achievement? Grow up just a tinsy bit if you want to be taken seriously. A lot ways to be creative and so many more ways to be just lame. Being proud of being stupid seems to be the trend with flunky's. What you're doing a baby can do so lose the diapers. I had a friend who wrote like that from jail and it wasn't cool then and it will never be cool. Showing off your lack of education with such glee is tragic.
Loved the original uber video and thrilled to see the follow up!
Jayde here. Oh my gosh, thank you!!! We had so many crazy comments on the original and I couldn't keep up, so .... Uber 2.0!
So many people mentioned tax, and the math nerd in me was enraged! I feel like maybe Uber released the bots!
Jayde: I personally would love to interview you on my podcast, Liberal Dan Radio, to discuss what I see as major flaws with your analysis and methodology.
We mentioned tax because we felt you were likely confused because in pretty much every market where there is a municipality charged tax/fee , Uber collects it and remits it to the proper governmental authority without the driver having to do anything.
You even mentioned in this video that you are not certain how this is implemented in Los Angeles and were looking for people to provide you evidence of how it works.
But why didn't you ask for drivers in LA to give that to you BEFORE producing a video in the first place? How hard would that have been?
Because every municipality is different and that's just one example. I don't see an issue with asking ON HERE. Why not on ask on here?
Lyft is such an oversaturated market now too, EVERYONE wants to drive for uber or Lyft. I usually drive around for 1-2 hours before I even get one call for maybe 2 or 3 dollars for some family that wants to take 45 minutes at the market. You spend all your money on gas looking for pickups. I live in Phoenix, one of the largest cities, it’s not worth it. I drive around for 6 hours to make 25 dollars
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I drove for Uber in Phoenix, such a scam! I lasted 17 days, 21 total trips. I actually lost money when all things were factored in. The Phoenix area sucks for wages period and Uber is just a scam!
$19/hr?? I'd be STOKED to get that, LOL. I make right under $10/hour, driving full-time (40+ hours a week). I then have to take out expenses, leaving me in the red. I drive for Uber right now (Going into my 3rd month, my bank account is currently Negative, with my Uber account starting negative this week for my car payment and gas card payments). It's really bad and that is in a market that is 'good'... The rates are just abysmally low, giving rides to riders for $2.50 is getting very exhausting and even feels disrespectful to me, as a driver. Then on top, hardly ANYONE tips (I have a 4.95 rating, with over 400 trips). It's basically impossible to make a living, solely driving for uber, unless you put in 100 hours a week. That doesn't sound like a life of 'being my own boss', that is slave wage for slave hours. Only reason I continue is to find a better job, through a pax offering/talking with them. It's already happened, but the guys business just wasn't busy enough. I hope to find another job ASAP.
I drive on Friday and Saturday night from 8pm to 4am in Northern NJ. I make between $22 to $35 per hour after expenses. I do not have car payments and do my own maintenance on a 2006 Toyota Matrix. I only drive during promotions which usually bumps my base earnings by about $100 over the weekend. The promotions can be tricky to take advantage of and require a little extra mental energy but once you get the hang of it, it's pretty easy to work the system to your advantage.
Probably do even better if you stopped chasing the bonus carrots. Those things do no serve you.
so true. i tried to drive for them but could not make any money even driving just friday and saturday nights. i dont know why anyone does it.
People go to buffet and leave a couple of $ on the table for bussing and refills. They slam shut your car doors, get a dedicated service that their life and limb depends on and don't tip!
I'll never drive for Uber again. Just use casually as a ride service here and there
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You should use Lyft when you need a ride.
You didn't even mention the new terms of service regarding the upfront pricing, where instead of the usual percentage split on the fare, Uber can charge the customer whatever they want and then pay the driver whatever they say. And you can't drive unless you agree to be screwed over by the new terms.
the fact is... Uber is not for everyone, it's better for some then it is for others depending on where you live & your grind.
This should have been the script, i wasted 3 minutes! - Jayde
And the fact that Uber is not for everyone doesn't make it a "SCAM".
"i wasted 3 minutes! " So TH-cam must be a SCAM!
Please tell me who it’s actually FOR?
Regardless, Uber will always find a way to fcuk you and not give a fcuk about your safety or the passengers. I quit 2 years ago and couldn't be happier and I'm in the DMV where it busy 24-7. But like any dream job it became a nightmare and Uber acted like they didn't know me. Rogue personnel, no straight answers and always excuses. BYE!! SCAM by greedy slave drivers getting rich off the desperate and dumb. So many better ways to make money and not lose your sanity over slobby entitled $5 riders. Pathetic.
Uber plans to fix that... by eliminating drivers.
If I were a driver I would have second thoughts about working for a company that is working directly against my interests, no matter what they paid. I certainly wouldn't invest in a nice, late model car just to participate in a ride-sharing service that I knew was planning to replace me as soon as possible.
UBER drivers are helpless and dont waste time trying to explain to them that they are not making any money. Most of them can't do very simple math, not to mentioned managing "business". They have no ides what their cost(expense) per mile is. Stop wasting your time, I did too, let them work for free. I was averaging between $25-30 gross but I stopped driving for them because I felt income wasn't stable and something that I could rely on.
Lukas L33 there you go
Lukas L33 all depends on the market sorry u are in a bad one
Lukas L33
Most Uber drivers can't understand higher mathematics. They don't realize Uber is like Pay Loan chop shops.
Yes, please don't explain to me how I'm not making money while I'm paying rent, cell phone bill, car payment, gas, insurance, food, dinner outings and so on thanks to Uber and Lyft. I guess all the people I owe money to for these monthly expenses are just wrong. I'll be sure to have them contact you so you can set then straight. BTW, she admits to being a shill for the young turks. I don't really need to say much more.
Bono Jo shut the fuck up idiot , if you can see uber is ripping drivers off is cause you are an absolute IDIOT. period
Good thing this info is getting out so people will quit driving and force Uber/Lyft to up payments/ fares to get people to drive.
Uber treats drivers badly
What you’re doing is taking a loan against the future value of your car. You aren’t MAKING money, you’re borrowing it and you’ll pay it back when you trade in your car.
You're making money, unless you live in an area with a terrible market for Uber/Lyft. I mean, sure the pay may only be $10+ an hour after expenses, but that is far from taking a loan against the future value of your car.
Delete Uber. Don't be taken advantage of.
Delete this video. Don't be lied to xD.
it really depends where you live to be honest
I agree - many drivers make almost nothing, or actually are losing money, but don't realize it yet - because they haven't paid their bills yet. The biggest cost is the depreciation on the value of the driver's vehicle because of all the mileage driven. A driver may have a vehicle that's worth $15,000, and after driving for a year, that vehicle's value may have dropped $5,000 - $7,000 because of the mileage driven. Many drivers have not deducted that depreciation from the money they thought they made last year. They have not yet had to repair or replace a car that wore out much sooner because of all the miles they put on while driving for Uber.
A major expense for taxi companies is maintaining and replacing a fleet of vehicles. Uber has shifted that cost to the drivers, many who don't yet realize how badly they are getting screwed.
While, I know that a smart driver can profit well off of Uber (Depending on the market), I do agree with your statements. Many drivers probably couldn't care less about their expenses until it is too late. All drivers should calculate their costs to drive. Some people have great cars for Uber, while some driver terrible ones. A Prius can do well, however there are drivers that drive a Tesla for UberX. (Some of these people drive out of boredom though.)
I agree. Some people enjoy driving, and would be out driving anyways. If they consider driving for Uber as a way to reduce the cost of something they enjoy doing, that's a plus - just as long as they aren't counting on Uber to pay the rent.
I agree with you Uber is scam. They need to take of their drivers because they're are the one who brings revenue for the company. Start charging 1.50 per mile or more Uber drivers so your drivers can fucking provide for their family..
they're replacing drivers- that's their aim.
Did a ride with a total of $8.01 Uber gets: Service Fee $2.31 - Booking Fee $2.20 = $4.51 Total
I got $3.50 total... Uber gets more than half, WTF!!
We're the ones giving the service not Uber, why does Uber take the service fee? SCAM!!!
Yes Uber is a scam! in one year after all the deductions i made ready for this? A whopping $6.48 an hour! And i added 30.000 miles on my car!
I only drive on weekends in the NY area. And I make 300-500 every weekend. Maybe because of the population here. Sometimes it’s non stop and I don’t get a minute to relax. Last weekend I made $625.
Johnny and John you guys are full of shit, sorry, but there’s gotta be more you aint telling us. No way you are actually netting that much
Uber sucked when they paid 2 bucks per mile because after taxes and expenses and gas ,..you were making virtually Zero ,..so imagine what it is now in 2017 at 70 cents per mile ( or even less ),..
I have to agree I drove for Uber but don't even log on anymore. the only time I've made decent money with Uber is in The winter snow storm or rain storm because no drivers are on the road & surge pricing stays up I hate that they send me to another town just for $5 And that's nerve racking and not worth driving for them.
More wear and tear on your vehicle driving in the winter. I wouldn't do that if I were you. If there's surge pricing due to a concert, a ballgame and festival all within one weekend, then yes, it's worth driving. But winter snow storms, surge pricing only covers reasonable hazard pay, it's not actually covering wear and tear due to rock salt and ice pelting your car's windshield, outside and undercarriage.
I agree with the video. I drove for Uber for 2 weeks in 2015. One thing they don't mention is that Uber doesn't pay you for the drive back to your home. So you can do a bunch of drives and then you end up 60 miles from your house and drive home getting hit by tolls.
True, although I've had good luck with their destination feature getting rides on my way home. Some areas are better than others for this. I try to use this strategically though.
The burden of paying sales tax is on the CUSTOMER not the driver. Like in any business the provider of the service or product merely collects sales tax from the customer and remits it to the proper jurisdiction. Uber collects sales tax from the passenger which means that sales tax does not impact the driver in any way shape or form.
True, but it still doesn't explain the inflated figures Uber is promoting. They love to promote the Gross incom (the amount collected from riders including sales tax) and ignore the Net (the amount that actually goes into the pockets of drivers).
You're confusing Sales Tax (Tax on goods or services sold to a consumer, paid by the business) with Use Tax (similar, but usually applied in cases where sales tax isn't collect, paid by the consumer)
Sales tax is paid by the customer. The business is responsible for collecting it from the customer and remitting it to the state or locality. But ultimately the customer pays the sales tax. Use tax is when you buy something that should be subject to sales tax but you do not get charged for it, usually because you purchased something out of state and the seller is not obligated to collect.
Although I do agree that the $19 is inflated, the sales tax is a separate line item on the receipts and is most likely not included in that figure. The funny thing is the original video is hypocritical because they mention that Uber made $10 billion in revenue to make them seem like they're robbing the drivers but fail to mention that they've had a net loss almost every year since inception.
It depends on the Area, and Car.
But it would be nice if Uber were honest! If they told you if the area was saturated with Drivers. Gave you a few dollars to go-to a certain area, rather than try to Trick You, or Offer a few dollars to work nights.
This is why I exclusively still use taxis.
stealthbadger her numbers are wrong, it's not nearly that bad.
I agree that Uber isn't the best way to make a living. I work Uber EATS 3-4 hours a day at night and I work enough just to make bonuses and extra surge prices at night. I found an area that generally pays cash tips more often. McDonalds really keeps me busy. The rest of the days in the mornings I deliver Postmates with my motorcycle. Super low maintenance and tips I earn is more than enough to cover oil changes and everything else. For me, it works out. I know how to do all my own mechanical and maintenance work. I get parts for cheap and Uber eats deliveries are short distances. I don't drive a lot of miles so I don't spend a lot on gas and my tires don't wear out fast. But this is great for side money, I have other income sources so I may or may not stop Uber and Postmates sometimes soon. I enjoy it for now
I went to selling Dope to Uber Drivers .
Them pills make them believe they are earning $50/hour... 😂
I done 2,200 rides with uber, 8,600 with lyft. Both banned me for kicking out a passenger who was aggressive towards me. 1 bad apple is all it takes to get you banned. This proves your not an independent contractor, uber/lyft run the show, not the drivers . I was highly rated but all it takes is 1 passenger to ruin it for you. They really went out there way to make it sound like i left them abandon for no reason. Boycott these fools
i stop driving for uber couple of weeks ago , why drive for them when you can drive for lyft
Lyft is only slightly better in some features.. thats about it..
WHEN COMPETITION BETWEEN UBER AND LYFT COMES.. ITS $ 4.50 PER MINIMUM RIDE. BOTH ARE EQUAL IN EACH MARKET .. IF ONE IS GOING TO SAY 3 DOLLAR FOR MIMINUM RIDE. THAN BOTH DOES THE SAME THING. THEN THEY TELL DRIVERS DONT WORRY ITS THE WAY TO MAKE MORE MONEY BECAUSE
SIMPLE LIE:
THEY SAY MORE LOWER FARE FOR CUSTOMERS = MORE RIDES..
YA OK.. SURE.... IN UNICORN LAND... BOTH LYFT AND UBER OVER HIRE NEW DRIVERS AND THEN THEY NOW DONT HAVE TO PAY SUREGES AS OFTEN..
SO MONEY THAT YOU COULD EARN LAST YEAR BY DRIVING 5 HRS.. NOW WILL TAKE YOU 8-9 HRS..
ITS CALLED SPEND MORE GAS , TIME AND WEAR AND TARE YOU DAM CAR... AT YOUR EXPENSE SO UBER AND LYFT CAN MAKE MORE MONEY WHILE YOU DESTROY YOUR NEW OR OLD CAR.
UBER AND LYFT ARE BOTH SCAMMERS WHEN IT COMES TO EARNING BIG MONEY.. ITS JUST AN OPPERTUNITY TO TAKE YOUR SHIT AND LET YOU MAKE SOME CASH.. FOR A REAL JOB? ITS PAINFULLY SAD.
IT LITERALLY HURTS MY EGO TO DRIVE FOR $ 3.60 FOR DRIVING 2-4 MILES... MINUS GAS.. HOW THE F IS THAT SHIT EVEN ETHICALLY RIGHT TO MAKE DRIVERS MAKE THAT SHITTY INCOME ON SHORT RIDES.
SOME PEOPLE I KNOW STOPPED DRIVING BECAUSE THEY SAID ITS LIKE IM A MASS TRANSIT DRIVER.. USING MY OWN CAR TO DO WHAT BUSSES AND TRAINS ARE SUPPOSE TO DO..
EARNING 3 DOLLAR TO DROP PEOPLE HOME FROM WORK ETC.... AND SHIT LIKE UBER POOL AND LYFT LINE.. IS THE REAL EXAMPLE OF HOW YOUR CAR IS NOW A SHUTTLE BUS AND TRAIN.
Ricky Palabon it is , a fare is 11 dollars and I get 5 dollars that more then 50%cut from Uber
You need to include Lyft in this. Uber isn't the only rideshare company. Lyft is just as bad.
Yup, uber is a scam. When it was an 80/20 split it was much better but now with "up front pricing" it is horrible for the drivers.
Th driver is only paid from the moment he/she picks up passenger until dropoff. The mileage to that rider is paid at the rate of ZERO. Many requests are up to 10 minutes, several miles away. That adds up to huge losses and depreciation.
correction, uber now does a "long pickup fee" but only for minutes beyond 10. The driver, in my market, still absorbs the first 10 minutes. Most requests are 10 or less anyway do uber does not have to pay much out on this.
never trust the middle men. Be your own boss.
kyoukoujin I'm my own boss but I have no choice but to trust middle men if not I have no job
Uber drivers are their own bosses.
@@TheyRiseBand But making sucker wages. Boss title, dishwasher money. I'm good not being someone's slave.
Still think our Uber video was wrong? How do you feel about people whose personal experiences don't quite match up with the math because of their tricks, and hacks, and tips that Uber doesn't promote? What do you guys think could be better alternatives that would be fair to riders AND drivers? Let us know your comments below!
ScIQ, uber sucks!
ScIQ, well... for one, I see uber as an alternative to going to Title Pawns. And further, it's something you do on your way to somewhere using the "Destination Filter" as they call it, in which case it's the only time - rightly so - what they'd like call it a "Rideshare"! Finally, if you enjoy driving, chatting with strangers and you feel like cruising to get around as a form of relaxation and getting preoccupied, it's good for you. Otherwise, if you don't identify yourself with any of the 3 categories above, rest assured it's still not a job, but you're doing it at least as a volunteering individual allowing uber to make money out of your property and labor while getting some f-ing bread crumbs in return. When I say all this it's with the uberX platform in mind.
ScIQ, in your video you didn't mention the fact that you're required to get insurance coverage for doing Rideshare services from your vehicle insurer, which I'm sure most drivers don't do, that would definitely incur additional premium amount on top of your basic insurance you purchased for private use.
The nature of the beast, if you want to make money, is driving during peak times & doing other economy apps when things get slow with the Rideshare apps. For example, Amazon flex pays $18/hr. I do that during the down times.
Yes, your video is wrong. It ignores a lot of information that I already left in the main thread.
THE ONLY THING THAT WAS EVER DESIGNED AS THE UTMOST TRUTH IS MATH.... All else are lies... I was an uber driver for a while. It was not worth any of my time. The one thing that I had a problem with, is the fact that I would many times drive them 5 mins from the pick, when I took me 15 mins to drive to the pick up. Uber is using folks so well. Any one driving for uber would actually make so much more money being a cab driver. Uber is a huge joke.... Both of these videos are so spot on. Thank You for putting the truth out...
Thomas Sparrow
15 minutes?!? Those are the kind of trips you're supposed to ignore, silly.
Thomas Sparrow while math may not people do lie and she is adding unnecessary costs deductions to mislead us
This lady is telling 100% Correct. I am an Uber rider, In my city Uber services are newly launched. Because of Uber I can travel in night after 10pm if necessary. Many Uber drivers have told me, they are not earning any penny out of this
Good video
Thank you Jermaine!!! :-)
Jermaine Ellis please tell me you're not contemplating driving for them lol
Jermaine Ellis dude you made a great video about this too man!
I thought it was poor, lacked detail, lacked evidence to back up the argument. Where was the analysis of real driver earnings using documented evidence over time with associated examples of costs obtained from real driver records. It's just poor to try to make an argument without sufficient evidence.
gary gregg your assumption is that this a job it's not a job it's a chance to own your own business or build your brand
I thought about driving for Uber for one second then I thought about the depreciation of my car gas time stress and how little money you make to mess up your car I said hell to the no why would anyone drive for Uber more than 2 to 3 months
I don't know if we should call it scam, but everything you say, is ABSOLUBTELY true, period and I don't know we're they make 90 cents per mile, because in Orlando, Fl is 75 cents and in North Carolina is even less...
zorro951000 She is basing her rates off of L.A., which currently makes 96 cents per mile and another 30 cents per mile or so based off time based fare. Her numbers are biased though, they don't include the time based fare and it doesn't cost 54 cents on average to drive a mile for uber. Also drivers dont pay sales tax from their driver fare.
You need to talk about Uber's REFERRAL BONUS SCAM. For example, they claim in my area you get an extra $200 for your first 30 rides. This is advertised as a BONUS. When I completed my 30 rides, Uber said that because I already made about $200 in normal fares, that the bonus will not be given to me. In other words, it's not a bonus. It is just there to give you an extra $10-50 if you only got short rides your first 30 trips. It is a complete SCAM. Uber driving is GARBAGE.
ET Disclosure you received a guarantee, not a bonus. It's not that fault you can't read.
Actually I'm quite good at reading. I read all the words. It says referral bonus. Still does on their site.
I referred my friend, he drove 20 trips but Uber did not give my $300 referral bonus, suck, its a scam.
Spot on. I drove Uber Taxi and whenever someone asks me about driving for Uber I always just point them towards your video.
Spot Her numbers are wrong though. Her revenues are wrong, her costs are wrong, and sales tax doesn't get paid out of drivet fare.
Bearhuggles86 what numbers are wrong? Also in most States drivers are liable for the sales tax on a ride.
Spot
1. Driver Earnings. Driver fare has 3 parts. She only mentions one part. There's base fare, distance based fare and time based fare. Now, in LA, there isn't base fare, she only left out time based fare out of that. You are looking at roughly 2 minutes per mile when driving in the city. 15 cents x 2 minutes ~ 30 cents per mile based off of time that she leaves out. When she references Detroit, she only mentions 1 out of the 3 parts of driver earnings that Detroit has. (I don't remember if she mentions Detroit in this specific video, but this is a follow up to her first video.)
2. Driver costs - It does not cost 54 cents per mile to drive a car for Uber. My cost, for example, is ~15 cents per mile. (Of course, I have to add about 50% to account for dead miles - without a rider in the car.)
3. Drivers are responsible to turn in sales tax to the government. However, it does not come out of their fare. Uber is responsible to collect this on top of the fare. They then pass that money along to the driver, who then must turn it over to the government. It doesn't come out of the drive fare.
I was uber excited to sign up as a driver until I did the math and saw how terrible the pay actually is :(
She is right lmao 😂 I Drove for Uber for two years in Boston and was busy don't get me wrong and I made some great money but after the expenses you are really making mínimum wage so I recommend to do it as a part time not worth it full time .
Uber only works as a part time thing aka only driving surge fares
Yup. - Jayde
One of the best ways to maximize profit margin are these surge and prime time runs. Knowing the demand trends in your market can also best set up a driver for surge/prime time as well.
exactly.. I made More money in winter because surge was always up. or I'd drive sometimes in the morning or afternoon when surge kicks in around my area
I'm not an uber driver, but if I went for it, I'd only do drive for surge pricing. The regular pay isn't worth it.
InandaroundTO a lot of driver's have that mind set it doesn't work that way. surge happens when it's less drivers on the road & they go online when they see surge on the map then it fades away not to mention it could be surge pricing in you're City but you'd have to be sitting in that area for it to kick in which is stupid
driving for any ride share company is working for free.
one level above being homeless.
If people believe her numbers, then yeah.
My wife and I have both driven for uber in the oversaturated Tampa market. Rideshares at current are at best a casual income. We know a few that do well with it but they are on the road 60-80 hours a week and only have riders maybe 30% of the time. That is how the math presented works is if you can stay busy and disregard the excessive wear on your vehicle. In this area we struggled to pick up a consistent $6/hr after costs.
I think that not only are you right, you didn't even go far enough.
You see, you need to consider the fact that Uber doesn't pay for every mile. So, for example, I had a ride request once that was 18 miles outside the city. I had to drive 18 miles just to pick them up in a small town. Then I drove those 18 miles back into the city. That's 36 miles total. Multiply that by 53 and 1/2 cents per mile, and that comes to $19 that it cost me to do that drive. But Uber only paid me $13.80. So my wage that hour was literally a negative number. Not only was it less than minimum wage, my wage that hour was less than zero.
Why? Because they didn't pay me for the first 18 miles to drive out there. They only paid for the 18 miles coming back. If I had gotten paid for all 36 miles, then I would have gotten about $27, which is significantly more than $19.
BUT, I had to drive out there in order to pick them up. I can't pick them up without driving out there, right?
This is one of the reasons why you can make pretty good money in a big city like Chicago or LA. But in smaller cities, you're driving way out of your way into some small farm village just to pick people up. This is what makes it impossible to earn a profit in these smaller cities. Most of your pickups are a further distance than the rides themselves.
So, for example, you drive 7 miles to pick someone up and give them a 2 mile ride. Then you drive another 14 miles to give someone a 5 mile ride. Then you drive another 8 miles to give someone a 3 mile ride. This happens all the time. And what makes it even worse is when the drivers who "drive smart" as they call it, decline those far away drives, and cherry pick to give themselves the good rides. This causes the drivers who accept all rides to get even more of the crummy rides out into the middle of nowhere, where the fare basically just pays for gas. And it gets even worse when you drive 12 miles to some small farm town, and someone just wants a ride around the block, where you get paid your $3 minimum fare. So, you basically just burned $3 of gas to earn $3.
In my city, we get paid 60 cents per mile. But if you're only getting paid for half of your miles, then you're really only getting 30 cents per mile. And on the days when you're driving more miles in between pickups and drop offs, then you're only getting paid for about 1/3 of your miles, taking you down to 20 cents per mile, which merely pays for the gas. And with some vehicles, like an SUV, which burn a lot of gas, you're barely breaking even. Granted, an SUV can do the XL rides, which pay more, but you're also required to do the regular paid X rides as well. In fact, more than half of your rides will be the lower paid X rides, even when you have a gas-guzzling XL vehicle.
I wish one day uber and lyft had no more drivers.
Then its back to the taxi cabs ripping you off.
Let say you are able to make
$30 per hour
Uber takes $7.50
Sales tax is $2.63
Gas is about $5
Car maintenance + depreciation is about $2.5
You are already down to $12.37 per hour. That's a little more than minimum wage, but most people will not make $30 an hour.
this video is exactly right. spot on lady.
I dont do Uber but i do drive lift, and what i can say is that you cannot just go out and drive, you have to be observant, know your market, do research of the days happenings, have an awesome personality, and have side hustles . If you know what your doing when the rider leaves the car they will still want to give you money through your website, the car ride should be about trying to get more sales by other means, and making them think its their idea
I tried Uber a few times but then I stopped using them (pun intended) because I realized the drivers were totally getting ripped off by the ridiculously low fares. I felt bad for taking "advantage" of them. You are absolutely right. It IS a scam.
Yep, it's a scam. Driven for them for two years now due to the repressed job market here in Perth AU.
And yes, they expect us to pay the tax man 10% even though we don't collect that 10% from the riders (we collect nothing, in fact -- we get a paycheck, like employees).
True! Why does not Uber take 25% from "Profit (Fare-ExpensesPerKm)". Uber takes 25% from fare or "ticket price" sometimes higher. In no business is profit share taken from fare collected or ticket price. The profit or loss has to be shared between "PARTNERS". Loss is what riders get when uber drops rates because it is physically possible to do only so many rides per day ( say about 20 rides in 16hrs per day). Govt has to make Uber stick to the Tarrif set by Taxi unions. It was set for a reason so that neither the drivers or the riders get over/undercharged. See more here: th-cam.com/video/H2SNHnZ7kyA/w-d-xo.html&lc=z23qh1vxwuv0jbpu3acdp434otctkerlrs1pydzepklw03c010c
If you wanna drive and make good money, become a pizza delivery driver on side where you’re guaranteed tips and regular consistent pay.
If you drive full time for Uber why not have a side hustle by building up clientele via Uber?
LYFT PAYS DRIVERS MORE. AND AS A CUSTOMER OF UBER IM PISSED OFF They TOOK MY money and dont have a number im about to call corprate i want to talk to person not an email. Your not going to charge MY DEBIT card uber and get away with it AND THAT UBER CREDIT IS A MAJOR
I drove for Uber for over a year and I can tell you right now that it is better to be a customer then employee of Uber I did the words free pregnant water charger the lots experience and the more I drove the lower rating I got to force people to give you a honest rating which would help you have the time you’re done with drunk people for people that just don’t care they just want a ride now the cost $30 per day sometimes a trip to the gas station twice a day for a full 12 hour shift on the road where and tear on the vehicle on the weekend I would make roughly about 300 -$40 for gas sometimes 80 $20 for a A pack of water amenities and plus you have to eat yourself $20 a day out of that 300 every weekend barely make $40 during the week best time to make any money is there in the weekend
And I forgot to mention even before you can start driving you have to pay for licensing and all the other underbelly stuff you have to make sure your vehicle is ready to be on the road you have to pay your city to be a taxi cab and have to be inspected an additional of the already government mandated registration they give you a special sticker that goes on the right side of your front windshield
Uber company is a pier mid scheme well you have employees working for a possible objective promised a false number while the people on top we’re getting a slice of your hard work will be Rich why you were given LOW wage then working at any fast food restaurant on part time hours
John Sillivan I got lucky when it came to licensing. All of my fees were paid by Uber. The only fee that i was responsible for was the city vehicle license, but the law changed so that it was no longer required in my state. You might see if any of the licenses are reimbursable by Uber. They don't refund any fees unless you put in a request, as they don't know if lyft already paid fees.)
I have been driving Uber for a month. Yes, Uber is fucked up. After expenses and taxes, the pay is not so great. I am also just about done with picking up senior citizens ever. They are a fucking terror. The only trade off is that Uber is a job you can work whenever the fuck you feel like it and you don't have to get to work at any set hour so if you get insomnia you don't have to stress out.
the only way drivers make less than minimum wage with uber its because we "drivers" allow uber to send us to pick up a passenger 10min or 15m away throughout the entire shift we work in a day. drivers. this is the reason why driver work 13hrs or mare and we see 10hrs pay
If you drive surge/ strip clubs you can make money. Don't think your gonna turn the app on and get $19/hr. If you're in a good city at .90/mi maybe but lots of cities don't even pay that. Uber gives you a sticker/app that's it, your on your own to find the money. Isn't it convenient that after the CEO gets canned they now talking about tipping?
The thing with Uber, is that you have to run it smartly, the same as any business. In my city, I would earn a minimum of $1,000 on average, generally only working 30-35 hours per week (meaning, I’m only logged in, not that I am necessarily driving for 30-35 hours).
The thing is, there are so many variables to driving, most, I think, which are in control by the drivers themselves. Sure, Uber and Lyft are probably guilty of false advertising by saying you’ll make $30, resulting in drivers logging in at 1pm on a Tuesday, and getting annoying at their not earning $30 by 2pm. The thing is, it is up to a driver to figure out how to run it as smartly as possible.
For me, I have a general outline as to when I work, but I also tweak it all the time (such as last week, when I drove before going to a show, then driving for 1 hour afterwards), knowing that the pricing would spike as soon as 3,000 people left the theatre.
I think if you're doing Uber Black or Uber SUV in a big city, and you already own and paid off your luxury vehicle, then you can make good money. But I really see it as just a part time thing to experiment with, not a full time job. You need a full time job in order to afford driving for Uber.
second those people saying they couldn't pay their rent here's a tip,
you have to do the work so get out there and work.
then you will get your rent paid.
I have seen this, but I'm under the assumption that most passengers are well trained not to give tips... so No
If tipping were allowed and encouraged (like with Lyft!) Uber would be less of a scam. As with hospitality workers - the wages are low, but the tips make up the difference.
Tipping is being added into the Uber platform. All US drivers should have it in the application by the end of July. I have always gotten tips while driving for both Uber and Lyft.
If you followed my channel you would see that I was the first in the nation to report that tipping was going to be rolled out.
Do you not realize tips have been added to some cities and will be in all areas by the end of the summer?
i tip uber if im mot in the city because the driver has to come get me
For real people will write all kinds of lovable comments on your profile but won't ever tip or super rarely and that goes for Lyft ., I'm not impressed
I occasionally drive for Uber, but I do it not to make money, but because I like to drive. So if someone is willing to pay me to drive, that's cool. But I would own a car, the car would depreciate, I'd buy insurance, and I'd maintain the car whether I drove for Uber or not, so those expenses aren't really as high as you'd think.
GeekinTexas The point about maintenance is that driving for Uber means you'll be riding your car a lot harder than the average person, so repair and maintenance is more frequent and therefore more costly.
+Stephen Goebbelcocque
Your Right. This is the kind of driver uber depends on. Basically clueless to expenses. So they can take advantage of them.
+Stephen Goebbelcocque
Your Right. This is the kind of driver uber depends on. Basically clueless to expenses. So they can take advantage of them.
+Stephen Goebbelcocque
Your Right. This is the kind of driver uber depends on. Basically clueless to expenses. So they can take advantage of them.
Maybe "more", but certainly not "harder". I drive more carefully and slowly when I have passengers than when I'm alone.
your math is all fucked up,
I get two or three ride in one hour I make 15 if it's slow sometimes I make 25 a hour so it's cool for me
you nailed it the first time. all those pro uber comments are actually uber's marketing team/troll. i stop working for them after 5 months.
And all those anti uber comments that use false numbers are part of the taxi marketing team :D
I can understand someone saying that it isn't worth driving for Uber, but if that's the case then she should use realistic numbers.
Is there such thing called Taxi, I thought Uber killed Taxi with cheap rides, pools and scumming thousands of under paid drivers.
Taxi's still exist. Uber did break up the taxi monopoly though.
"but I won't put all this investment for uber to make 50c/mile doing pool and pays uber 25% commission." How do you figure 50 cents a mile for Uber pool? As a driver you make the same rate with Uber Pool as you do Uber X.
this is the formula for idiots like you. $200(in 11 hours drive)- 150miles*0.54c(account for using your car as commercial car. used to claim in tax)= $10.81/hour (no bonus for over time) driving your own damn car. if we take away the business licence and pay for proper commercial insurance driver will be lucky to make $5/hr. so go read your bible for someone who never heard of it. if you love uber so much and you are making $10k a month. good for you. make sure to keep yr eyes on road instead of leading a crusade war on comments 2 convince people to drive for uber.
Uber is one of the biggest scam in human history. Speaking from personal experience lol
I agree, In Canada outside of Toronto I made 540$ working 25 hrs BUT I spend around 130$ on gas on average week driving a regular car, 60$ a week for car payments and 60$ a week on Insurance so overall im spending around 270$ a week to drive
Moral of the story: buy a cheap gas saving car that runs good and barely meets requirement. Run it into the ground and part it out. I paid 3k for a high mileage Prius.
My expenses to operate my vehicle including gas, wear and tear, maintenance, major repairs, insurance, depreciation: .14 ¢ per mile.
The IRS mileage deduction is just the amount they allow you to claim, which actually works in your favor because after you claim mileage your effective taxable income is 0.
Not sure why people are complaining. I make like 86 ¢ per mile after Ubers cut. I gross $20 an hour before bonuses. After expenses including forementioned car costs as well as separate phones for work I take home about 16-17, which is like working a job for $22-23/hr.
It's low barrier to entry, low skill, low stress...anyone can do it. What do you expect, paid vacation to Maui and a blowjob on the free cruise there? How is it a scam. Why does Tom Brady make so much money? Because he's the only one that can do what he does. The rideshare market is saturated.
I make more than most desk jobs, and I make my own schedule. Oh, and I get my earnings immediately. All I have to do is drive and talk to people.
Is Uber probably a bunch of greedy fucks, and do I get a very small piece of the pie, just like any corporation? Sure. But what's the difference in not getting insurance but making 20/hr and making 10/hr with coverage? Which would you choose? Not a scam, you know what you're signing up for...
-Prius cost of purchase minus parts sale after 100k miles (depreciation): $1000
-maintenance- oil changes: $1000 a year for full synthetic
-wear and tear- new tires and brakes, installed them myself: $500 (1000 if done by mechanic), new spark plugs and water pump, alignment, brake fluid change: $900
- major repairs- none, Priuses are reliable and long lasting, worst case scenario battery cells need to be replaced: $1500
-Gas: .05 per mile (50 mpg @ $2.50/gal) 100k miles driven (I worked 60-70 hrs per week) so: $5000.
-insurance: you're going to pay insurance on your car regardless, technically rideshare insurance was $30, but since we're calculating per mile operation cost, the whole thing was $190/mo, or $2280/ yr.
So, I drove 100k miles, and those were my costs. Let's see how close it was to 54k in expenses...
Oh...$11,680. Yeah not remotely close...I'm not done btw.
So take the standard IRS deduction of 54 ¢ per mile, and apply it to 100k miles, which of course is $54k. Subtract that from gross income ($20/hr 70 hrs/wk × 50 wks = 3500 hours × $20 = 70k) so 70k minus 54k is 16k. That is your taxable income, which would be taxed at about 20% depending on your state (mine has no state tax, but a self employment tax) could be less but definitely not much more. So 3200 in taxes. I also use 2 separate work phones so $100 in phone bills per month that I wouldn't otherwise have. So 1200+3200+11680 roughly 16k.
54k bring home or overall expenses of 1350/mo, on an income of 6000 per month.
Point is, I'm missing the scam here.
Has anyone mentioned that smaller cities have a less cost of living? For example here in El Paso the cost of living is so cheap no joke a 3 bedroom apartment with 2 bathrooms will cost you tops $600 dollars. Anyways over here people do make more than the minimum. I’ve had days I made over the 19 bucks an hour. But yea it’s not an every day thing it has its days.
I do understand that the pay rate for drivers are low, sadly. But where I live, in Brazil, the taxi service is so, so bad, that there are no other viable option. It makes me sad that who decides to do as a full-time job doesn't earn a compatible wage. Hope they reconsider the payment for them. :)
I drive for UBER and LYFT. It's true that you don't really make money after calculating all the hours, insurance, wear and tear on car, gas etc etc. The only good thing is that you can get instant cash without having to borrow money or beg from a rich relative or friends.
What you really forgot was tax deductions... some even get (tax) money BACK. Your car rent, your car purchase, your cellphone you use, your gas, maintenance, everything, even those bottles of water for your passengers all of that are TAX WRITE-OFFs so if you do your taxes as you should, you could even receive money in some cases after all. And most of Uber Drivers only pay income taxes without any problems... so maybe it won't come out to these 19 dollars/hour for most drivers but then there are others, a bit smarter, who even make WAY MORE than that after the calculation... So maybe it's not Uber that's the scam, it's like so often the people just doing it wrong or whatever. I personally would do it like this: It's a great side option if you wanna start your own business, like some sort of your own consulting service... maybe it won't pay out in the beginning and Uber can help you to pay your rent, pay your bills until that business of yours really starts working out the way it should... OR you could do a full-time-Uber Job, knowing all the tips and secrets and making some decent money with Uber. If you think, just download the app like any mobile game and start having fun, nothing to worry about and what you see in your app is what you get, no calculation needed because I can't calculate it, then you probably should pick up trash in the park or go to McDonalds, maybe working in some factories, the easy jobs... better stay in school, start doing your maths, get smart, then you can make money... or just be lucky. Anyways don't believe, you just download the app, get into your car whenever you like, make money like hell and stop working after 2 hours or so because yeah why not.
Well, IF her numbers were right, then the tax deductions wouldn't matter and there wouldn't be a reason to include it. However, both her driver earnings and her driver costs are both terribly wrong because she is clearly biased. For someone who cares so much about math, she is terrible at it xD. She leaves out a good portion of the fare (lowering the driver earnings) and then she chooses 54 cents as the cost, which is not an accurate number UNLESS you don't already have a vehicle for personal use and you only intent to drive the vehicle 15k miles a year.
"it's that they are lying to their drivers about this particular number ($19.04 average earnings per hour)."
"If you drive for Uber roughly 30 miles per hour, and your rate of pay is roughly 90 cents per mile.....then you're going to generate about $27 per hour."
Um...that's higher earnings than Uber stated. Good job there disproving their number.
That number isn't a lie. I do agree that it is misleading, as people don't generally understand what earnings are.
Earnings are not the same as net income.
Awesome video,Keep it up!
18 rides today only $113 since they started their Uber Pro it seems I’m making less I don’t want there card or there points. I want the money. And riders don’t be mad if you can’t get rides in your area because you don’t tip.
This whole income tax argument is one good example of internet autism.
"You made that argument that pay is really really low but you ignored this miniscule thing that makes it even lower. Peasants."
I'm not sure about the other countries but here in New Zealand, yes, Uber isn't worth working with, unless you are Uni students or you don't really want to deal with people like your boss, and you want freedom income and you don't have any skills but driving. Uber doesn't pay you car services fee, insurance, fuel. plus even you are driving Uber during those PEAK TIME, you still won't get good money, due to bad traffic condition, I'm currently driving for Uber eats. in dinner time yes you don't even need to worry about requests, but also the traffic during that time is bad. I ended up like 2.5 requests in one hour during peak time. and when you take off all the expense on top of it. you only get 10 bucks an hour lol
Uber is a joke, I was a driver and I will tell you I made next to nothing after paying all of the gas, toll entrance fees dead area driving, if they charged more per ride they would still get enough riders where drivers can earn a fair wage.
Hi SciQ, I'm an Uber driver in NYC. First thank you for posting such info. In doing reach in Uber rates I came across your postings. I joined a Independent Driver Guild which is the only union contracted with Uber. Our organization is also bringing awareness to drivers. I like to contact you to see if you can help with further data, specifically regarding NYC Uber drivers and the differences in doing UberX and UberBlack Car. Thank you in advance for your assistance.
Who cares? As a rider, it's cheap, and good. That's all I need.
Sage Wysocki Yup I see no problem with being a rider as well. If someone wants to work for low wages I say let em...doesn’t bother us riders ha.
Yes, who cares? Just screw the stupid drivers who are too stupid to realize how much money they are loosing!
Listen to this young lady she knows what she’s talking about
She probably does know, and is just intentionally giving inaccurate information for views.
Don't forget to factor in the tax deductibility of all the mileage and goodies. Being a contractor it's not about the per hour its what you take home at the end of the day and week. It is all about how you play the game.
my father worked for uber and barely made any money and he went back to taxi, taxi don't make no money cause everyone uses uber.
Its actually very dumb that they dont pay workers q decent wage.
By taking less from the drivers earnings, you would not only have happier workers and a better reputation. In the long run you'd have q much better change of killing the taxi business definitively.
And It would be better for the world if the people had decent wages.
there contractor system is exploiting workers who are desparate for work.
You can make a lot of money driving for Uber when mommy and daddy pay for your car and car insurance.
1. Earnings is NOT the same thing as profit. 19 dollars per hour is NOT profit. It is Earnings. The "27 dollar figure" that was calculated, would be earnings as well. If the chart is misleading, it isn't because of wrong numbers.
2. You are leaving out $9.00 per hour out of earnings when you leave out the 15 cents per minute part of the fare. On average, it takes 2 minutes per mile of driving. 30 miles = 60 minutes. 60 minutes x 15 cents is $9.00. After commission is $6.75. That's nearly minimum wage in itself that you're leaving out.
3. 54 cents per mile is insanely high for UberX. 54 cents per mile is not the average for Sedans. It is the average for work vehicles, that includes Work trucks and full sized work vans that aren't even allowed to drive for Uber. It includes SUVs and Luxury cars that get paid a premium, so it is biased to include those here if we aren't going to increase the fares to adjust for their costs.
4. You don't have to give your customers free things such as water or even chargers.
Uhmmm all of those things that you listed as expenses are tax deductible. I agree that they may have used some clever wording saying that you "make" this much money. What they should say is that you can net as much as x amount.