Lightsaber Combat Is Peak Again?!? | The Acolyte Ep 1x5 Reaction & Review | Star Wars On Disney+
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I think he throws her instead of kills her for the same reason he takes her at the end, he sees her as a potential acolyte, possibly even the one he really wanted the whole time, after all he seems to know a lot more than he lets on
Or at least in the moment he felt he didn't need to kill her, I forgot about the saber throw
@@thejuansnow he could have felt Sol nearby, perhaps drawing him out, hoped Osha would drop out of the way, demonstrating thinking on her feet, any number of things that could explain the throw without having a primary goal to kill.
@@agresticumbraVery agree!
They straight up told us Osha left the jedi because she couldnt get over her attatchment to the family she lost and get over her trauma
Perfect Sith material, especially when she learns the truth of what actually happened to her family.
@@DarkRaven40011I think the truth is she killed her family, and the jedi covered it up.
Haven’t you heard of someone changing their minds , especially after being chased all nite by a dark lord crazy man .
The armor is not beskar but likely cortosis(its weak against some types of attacks but drains lightsabers on impact)
Thinking it is cortosis mesh woven with beskar or cortosis/beskar alloy. It doesn't have to be 100% cortosis to have that effect and when alloyed with other metals it can strengthen to be effective armor.
@@QuickdrawMcShawthe1st I dont think it is woven with beskar. It broke quite easily against blunt hits. But yeah it likely isnt pure cortosis
@@xy7596 plus considering how fast the lightsabers came back on, id say it was a blend, because doesnt pure cortosis disable lightsabers for a few minutes
He wasn't trying to kill Osha, he was trying to draw out Master Sol.
No, he was trying
@@dbjdi no, her sister failed him. He is looking at her as a potential acolyte. Same reason he shoved her aside at the start rather than killing her.
@christophercorbin9387 is that why he multiple times clearly tried to kill her. Including when she put the light on his back. Which how the hell does a force user that can levitate not just use the force to know it off his back? Or keep her from doing that?
But seriously having to write in the idea for the writers because they failed to properly show it is not good
13:06 "kill a Jedi without a weapon"
So the helmet and arm thing is DEFINITELY Cortosis, its a brittle metal that shorts put lightsabers momentarily
Yeah... I mean it says that online at all the sources.
Cortosis metal is what his helmet and arm piece is made of, it disrupt lightsabers and blaster.
Thank you for beating me to it
Mae is not complicated. Episode 3 says everything that needs to be said about both sisters and they’re dynamic.
Mae’s entire identity is based around being a twin. One part of a whole. She cannot conceptualize herself as an individual, and that’s why her reaction to Osha leaving was so violent. It meant that she would be alone, which was a direct threat to her sense of identity. Imagine how scary that is for a child that thinks like that?
And that didn’t change with time. What Mae wants? Her sister back. That old bond they used to have. And that means Mae’s only loyalty is and will always be to Osha. It’s easy to understand her turn on ep 4 then. Mae will always choose her literal other half. So yeah, Osha being alive DID change everything for her.
But the fight against Qimir also changed everything.
For the first time in 10 years they were face to face….and Osha chose the Jedi again. She’s not going to let her sister arrest her, of course, so she decides to sever Osha’s connection to the Jedi once and for all……killing Sol and completing her revenge.
Also, that was the main reason why Mae was killing. Not for any loyalty or belief in the Sith, but bc it was a means to exact her revenge for everything that she lost. Again, that’s why it was easy for her to turn on Qimir.
Yes, this is completely accurate. I agree one hundred percent. Also, that's kind of the Sith's promise right? They give you revenge or any other thing that the Jedi deny you, so join up.
True!!! Agree on this.
This is a better analysis of her character than 50 TH-cam videos that I've seen.
Brilliant description of character 👏
The helmet is made of cortosis. The main ingredient for anti-Jedi armor in the old Republic, especially during the seven major wars between the Army of Light and the Brotherhood of Darkness, led by Lord Hoth and Lord Kaan, respectively. Cortosis shorts out light saber blades but it is lethally difficult to mine. Bane was born in that same mining planet.
say what you will, but Qimir is right about the Jedi using child soldiers
They made a point of Bazil being able to tell them apart. I'm guessing he'll rat out Mae.
For her plan, I'm assuming first and foremost it's to escape from her master and then figure it out from there.
She really seems to just be winging it through all of this.
As far as we know there are only two spaceships on the planet, Qimir's and Sol's. Mae probably doesn't fancy the "uncomfortable silence" of hitching a ride with Qimir.
"The Jedi don't attack the unarmed, they just have them violently ripped apart by bugs."
Osha isn't a Jedi and he was def. armed when she did it.
He was also angry and scared, so while he understood that it was wrong on a philosophical level, he wasn't going to go out of his way to save the guy. He was a threat to his credibility as a Jedi, and had killed people he loved.
I have to disagree on Qimir's motivation. Him wanting to be free to study the force is a good motivation. The Jedi have basically a monopoly on the force and as we've seen with the witch cult, they are willing to exterminate people for using the force without their permission or tutelage.
But him seeking out Jedi masters to assassinate in an attempt to destroy the Jedi isn’t really just “him wanting to be free to study the Force”. He’s actively promoting the Jedi to seek him out and confront him
@@deanthemachine7489 I think you're missing the context there.
These Jedi massacred an entire fort of witches practicing the force.
If these jedi were willing to kill the witches, clearly they'd kill him too. So it makes sense that he'd be against the Jedi order more broadly, he would not be allowed to practice the force in peace while the Jedi are out there.
Also more specifically, he made a deal with Mae to hunt down the jedi that actually did the deed. He didn't ask her to kill any random jedi, but specifically the 4 responsible for the death of the witch cult.
@@davidbodor1762 I guess it could still be revealed that he somehow knew about the death of the coven (which we can almost guarantee was an accident/mistake because of miscommunication or something), because *from what we’ve seen in the show so far* he’s just a Dark Side red lightsaber wielding maniac who killed 8 Jedi himself after attacking them who just happens to be using Mae like Palpy used Darth Maul, Count Dooku, and Anakin
@@deanthemachine7489 He would have to know considering he adopts Mae and tells her to kill the 4 jedi responsible. How would he know who those people are if he didn't know about the death of the coven, right? Either Mae told him or he was there too.
His reason are valid the jedi are basically the American ATF and kind of police but sometimes over police Force use, BUT his everyone who see me has to Die is straight up evil.
So on maes turn:
Her motivation for the killings was gone when she found out osha was alive.
Her initial plan seemed to be turn herself in, cut a deal while revealing the sith and hopefully live her life with osha.
THEN things changed. Instead of being able to turn herself in, she was surrounded by jedi at the scene of another crime. There's a BIG difference between turning yourself in and gaining some goodwill and being taken in at ANOTHER crime scene.
Also the biggest one. Her master was there. She knew he was going to kill her so if she let jecki take her she would just be a sitting duck for her master. It became about survival in the moment.
Once her master was out the way she tries to reunite woth osha, is rejected which led to osha trying to cuff mae which would again leave her a sitting duck.
I think at THIS point its mostly about survival. Taking Oshas clothes and going with Sol is just the quickest easier way away from her master.
At least thats how it all came off to me when i watched it
I also read her as an emotionally driven character, more impulsive
@@thejuansnowI think Osha is also right when she says Mae is selfish. She wants Osha and the sister relationship very selfishly and abandons it easily. I personally couldn't leave my sibling in a deadly forest, unconscious, and with a serial killer around even if they just tried to arrest me.
@@Kazuhiroaka yes very much so
It’s crazy obvious but many just don’t put it together.
@Iwillone if the sequels taught me anything it's that the majority of the fandom either doesn't pay attention or doesn't have very good media literacy. If it isn't straight up told to the audience they won't get it
"It feels like a movie cut up into parts" this has been the biggest flaw in most of the live action star wars shows. And marvel as well. I genuinely dont think the disney+ fooks know how to structure long form tv
Andor was well-structured as a show (once the first three table-setting episodes are done). Each episode had its own point to make, and still a clear step forward.
Of course, Andor was helmed by experienced writing talent but it’s still a LA SW show.
Season 1 of Mando, as well, was very clearly episodic with a narrative through-line. Subsequent seasons less so.
Book of Boba Fett was a slog at times, buoyed by Temuera Morrison and Ming-Na Wen’s screen presence. It should have been a feature or a three part miniseries.
I liked Ahsoka but I enjoy philosophical fare and suspected that was the aesthetic of the show before it premiered. I can understand why others didn’t take to it.
Obi-Wan … my hopes were too high but it definitely never shook off its feature film origins.
I don't agree with all the criticism you guys make but it's so refreshing to hear an opinion that's honest to the experience without raging out for clout. Basic media literacy is a lost art.
His helmet is WAY WAY cooler than Beskaar, it's a Sith refined metal called Cortosis which can absorb and disperse energy
Yeah everyone is criticizing this show and sure it’s probably not the best, but I’m enjoying parts of it.
Well said
Yea their is a lot of bad parts but I can’t ignore the good ethier
Well it’s usually him that talks, she just says yeah yeah yeah all the time.
The light saber disputing metal is old school Star Wars. In the legends era, there were a couple of metals that withstood lightsabers.
Manny Jacinto: from Kenshi to Sith Qimir.
If people doesn’t get what I mean is that Manny voiced in the animated video games adaptation, MKL3: Snow Blind as Kenshi Takahashi (young adult).
That's cool I didn't know but mained as Kenshi.
He's so miscast it's fucking hilarious.
he's also the dumbass Jason Mendoza in The Good Place
I only remember him from The good Place
That's a super awesome Lil tidbit I want to watch it again just to hear him cuz he's great
Clarus expression when and after Jecki was killed just layed her feelings bare.
Qimir is a Sith Apprentice who was trying to get his own apprentice in Mae, while also suggesting that he might have a tie to Sol’s past.
I’m guessing that his Sith Master was these girl’s father, and that perhaps he (Qimir) himself was present at the coven’s sanctuary 16 years earlier? Because that place couldn’t have been just for them, could it? The Jedi were alerted to go there by someone. And Mae was saved by someone (if we take the flashback as truth) and got off of that world somehow, and met up with Qimir somehow and at some point in time. And he seems to need one of them just as much as he needs to get these Jedi.
But he is only listed as being in 3 episodes?
My frustration with the show isn’t the plot or the acting, but has to do with the episode release structures and runtimes. And their weekly release isn’t helping with these Star Wars live action shows in general, especially with these season long stories. which they are handling what seems to be movies as if they are a TV series. It’s not Ahsoka or Mandalorian season 3 bad yet (we’ve just past the mid way point), where they only had about an hour or hour and half worth of content, so they tossed in a pointless action scene or had people standing or sitting around slowly having half of a conversation only for things to happen because the plot said so. Or like with BoBF, where they ran out material so they gave two episodes to setup season 3 of the Mandalorian. But yes, it definitely feels as if these shows they are their annual movie that they split up so that they can pass it off as a TV show and skip theater and everything around that.
Its cortosis, a rare metal that reflects energy. When he hits their sabers with his bracer or helmet, it temporarily short circuits the weapon. This is also why the stun blast doesn't work. He tosses Osha out of the way instead of killing her because he may want to use her later, since he's seeking an acolyte. The Jedi's combat gets messier and more aggressive as the fight goes on because they are becoming completely unbalanced in the Force by exposure to his fighting style, raw aggression, and death of their friends. By the time Mae is impersonating Osha, its likely that Sol is practically blind in the Force due to his emotional state. I'm going to paste in a comment I made on another channel about what I think is actually happening in the show:
The Sith lord of this time period is a guy named Darth Tenebrous. He is interested in the art of manipulating life through the use of the Force. He finds a coven of witches who have a mastered at least part of this skill, so he goes to learn from them (he's actually present in the background of the flashback scene when Mae and Osha are doing their ascension ceremony, but then peaces out when the Jedi show up.) The Jedi realize this or something like it, so they kill everyone in the coven. They do this to prevent the Sith from learning forbidden knowledge from them.
Nonetheless, Tenebrous now has some basic information to start, but still doesn't know how to do it, thus he spends the rest of his life trying to unlock the secret. He has two apprentices, an official Sith apprentice named Darth Plagueis, and an illegitimate apprentice named Darth Venamis, although technically Venamis isn't a "Darth," nor a true Sith, since the Rule of Two says there can only be one master and one apprentice. Ultimately, Tenebrous discovers Venamis betraying him and imprisons him in his lab where he uses him in his experiments, literally torturing him to death for decades and reviving him using the techniques he's learning.
His apprentice Darth Plagueis eventually kills Tenebrous and takes his own apprentice, Darth Sidious. Together they continue the experimentation, accidentally creating Anakin Skywalker. However, they think all their experiments have failed (Anakin is born on the other side of the galaxy and they are unaware of it until Sidious encounters him in "The Phantom Menace.") Due to their failures, Sidious becomes impatient and kills Plagueis in his sleep, becoming the master, and eventually taking Darth Maul as his apprentice. This is the point at which the prequels begin.
Here is the punchline to all of this: Qimir is Darth Venamis and we're seeing the story of his betrayal of his master, Darth Tenebrous. He wants an acolyte to increase his strength in order to kill Tenebrous and replace him.
I had been really hopeful for this show after Andor, but this episode has proven the showrunner is absolute shite. The fight sequences, particularly Jecki’s, were the definite standout of the show and possibly the series. But they literally killed off a dozen Jedi and no one cared. We needed another 15 minutes in the last episode where we got to spend more time with Jecki and Yord, along with the other Jedi, so their deaths would have impact. This episode also felt incredibly slapstick with the gopher-Ewok and having a Sith Lord literally spinning around in circles trying to detach a flashlight (Darth Vader would never). You guys also talk about those manta-beetles being super deadly but we never saw that. What they actually showed was that the bugs were easily drawn in with light and also easily killed with a lightsaber. If in the prior episode we saw the Jedis hunted down by the bugs, that they were an actual threat, then I would agree with you. Overall this show lacks tension, they learn something harrowing then calmly walk off to a new location. And the boring over the shoulder framing is so disappointing when you see TikToks where they pull off better interactions/dynamics. Does anyone even remember Carrie Ann Moss was in this show?
Show just feels rushed, even if they had extra time per episode it would be nearly impossible to care about each character getting slaughtered or all the damn story lines going on at the same time.
i specifically watch you both because you are not afraid to speak up and tell it how you really see it and even if a disagree at times your honesty is appreciated and its actually refreshing to have that compared to the alternative of just pretending to like everything....
i just know star wars theory is gonna nitpick something and say how the fight svenes was not that good.
He already did. And he is here in NY today to talk to Nick Gillard.
@@amarcellus1714 he is a tool without a spine tbh
Cortosis is the metal. It is a metal from Star Wars Legends. I won't explain how or why it does that because they may explain it further. I only gave the name because Disney has this way of reintroducing stuff from Legends without actually explaining stuff. Legends was fun because things were explained and always followed logical progression. Disney just assumes everyone who watches read Legends. Basically, everything this show does is take material from Legends and reintroduce it to Canon. That's the only purpose of the show, to reintroduce Legends continuity in a way that melds with the new Disney Canon.
So fun fact, before Disney bought the property there was a story that showed that the Jedi Council was actually aware of the Sith. In fact, the Phantom Menace shows that Yoda is aware of Bane's Order of the Sith Lords. It is the reason why Yoda knows that the Order of the Sith have a master and apprentice. Won't go into all the details in case you ever want to find a copy of that story somehow. Basically, a Sith encounter happens way before Phantom Menace, but the Council of the time just writes it off as a Padawan turned crazy Dark Jedi.
This part is just a theory. He took Mae's sister because he's going to eventually make her his apprentice. Mae has already proven that she isn't what he's looking for. Her sister though, she's a torrent of emotions and really doesn't care for any single person on a personal level. He just needs to squash those nasty selfless Jedi morals of hers.
Lastly, this is totally just a guess, but they probably imagine that people aren't going to watch this week to week anyways. They probably expect people to come in and binge this show later. I confess, I waited until Ashoka was finished and then binged it and felt like it was one of the best Star Wars ever. if I had to watch it week to week I'd have hated it.
Qimir's goal has always been to get a pupil- as he states. The saber throw was merely to draw Sol out. He's never really wanted to kill either Osha or Mae. He's just toying with the Jedi. Oh and killing them lol.
11:37 was looking forward to this moment in the reaction. Didn’t disappoint
13:01 this one too
I liked this episode. Enjoyed your reaction to it.
Something that's kind of interesting to me watching different reactions and reactors, is that I think one of the disconnects on this show is it delves so much into some deep cuts of star wars lore, that it at times almost feels like it is forcing you to have a more extensive history while at the same time doing things that seem so anti cannon for others. We have really dived into the whole force being manipulated into creating life that has been at times played off with sidious survival and did plagueis birth anakin in a way, and we get force magic with withces where we saw it before in different sects and even games like jedi knight jedi academy. We get cortosis and we get different sabers and colors. We get more of different species being trained with the force. The whole jedi potentially wiping minds and creating false memories like in kotor and kotor 2. It's a LOT and at times can be overdoihg it I think. I also get the feeling qimir is not a sith per se, more like what we get from the knights of ren and there is still someone out there playing at the strings here, the show is really hitting us over the head with ( what is my biggest criticism of the prequel era and thr) the jedi are broken as a group. It's got a ton moving at once and I think that gets a little clunky at times. Mae and Osha are really done well as they are in a lot of ways two parts of a whole, mae is deeply drawn to that need to feel whole with osha, sees the jedi as the enemy soley for taking her away. Osha is the part that wants to be more than the sum of the two, her own life, her own path and I'm going to be interested if they kind of force them here to embrace the others mentality even for a little to try and pass off as being the other
To answer why Mae feels more natural than Osha, the actress is a LOT more Mae in real life.
Finding myself very much agreeing with you guys, thank you for being so articulate about the issues in what to me seems a very even handed way.
I think the big issue is that they're trying to make this big, Rashomon style mystery, that takes very detail oriented writing (I think Breaking Bad had the most detail oriented writing I've seen for example). This is very replacement level (or a little worse) Star Wars writing and that kind of detail has rarely been a strength of Star Wars writing, which has always been more watercolor than pointalism. I think they're trying to put the wrong kind of story into this format.
That said, the action here was great.
If you're going up against Jedi, Having some Cortosis comes in handy. Sucks having your saber deactivate in the middle of a fight.
Know whats funny about that.... when you think logically about it. They kept hitting him directly on the helmet... I mean its apparent from their light sabers turning off.... Now tell me. How many people have been killed in Star Wars by getting hit directly on the head by a light saber? The answer is Zero, but in this fight it was happening every second.
I was wrong about the Sith identity. Bazil didn’t give Pip back, because Mae in disguise smells different from Osha. New theory: “What kind of master doesn’t show his face?” “Why did you risk exposure?” What if Sol is the secret Sith Master to Apprentice Qimir. He’s been unmasked all along, but though his apprentice chooses a mask. Sol keeps himself secret from Qimir, so the apprentice cannot find him and kill his Sith Master. Sol didn’t kill Qimir, because Osha was watching, which would “risk exposure”. After all, Sol had no issue with Qimir being eaten by moths. Also also, Qimir killed Yord (a Jedi) without a weapon.
Did you pay attention to the music at the end where the master goes to osha and takes her away - we've heard it before
Disney's Marvel/Star Wars productions have no idea how to do quiet scenes. They fill the screen with action leaving little chance to understand motivations. The 'people talking in a room' scenes are actually cheaper. They could save money with these scenes and make the show better. The sisters storyline is a mess. Their motivations flip back and forth without making any sense. The show would be better if they only had one character instead of twins. And losing Yord was a blessing. Jecki on the other hand was an amazing character (and performance) though her death was telegraphed very hard.
Manny Jacinto is fantastic as a Sith in the unmasked scenes. My issue is the Mae character, who is all over the place. Other than that the core story is fine. Even if though last episode was filler, they aren't the only show that does that. And that is Cortosis armor. Beskar isn't the only material that stopped Lightsabers. Cortosis block and shorts them out a short duration. Likely absorbed the stun blast too. And is more rare than Beskar.
Osha set the light on him not Sol, and clearly the bugs weren't a real threat.
My theory is Qimir is a sibling to the twins.
Being a boy he was probably raised outside the coven so he never knew them, but since they're related by birth he wanted to have this master-apprentice relationship with Mae, and now probably will make the same offer to Osha.
You guys are doing what I call "hope watching." As I am.
Am I the only person who recognized Mae trying to gaslight Osha...again? Mae has been a psycho from the beginning...that's about the only consistency to her motivation.
If the theme of the series is "it's not about good or evil, it's about power and who is allowed to use it," I'm not buying it from Qimir. I could go along with it for the witches because it appeared they were happy just doing their own thing on their own planet with their own people. But if Qimir intends to do bad things instead of just being the Lone Ranger, good and evil does matter. Qimir said, "You might call me Sith," not that he is Sith. He may have just pulled up a word from history and might turn out to be just a "mule" (see Asimov).
I don't think there was a moral quandary with Sol merely killing Qimir. First, Qimir was not unarmed. He's a Force-wielder, he's never unarmed. Second, the clearly deadly and ruthless opponent (momentarily) losing _one_ of his weapons during the fight doesn't stop the fight. That's the chance to end the fight permanently.
How come Jedi appear to have _no_ training in coordinated fighting? Everything is always just a melee with them. One trained fighter against two who are uncoordinated actually has the advantage.
A New Hope, is how i feel each episode. This one was the best, the opening scene was the second best part, the rest has been a drag.
Sol had no problem with "the bug attack" probably because he had his weapon then. It was only a problem to kill him when he was unarmed.
So his armor is likely the variant Cortosis Weave that can disrupt lightsabers temporarily. It's a rare and otherwise unremarkable metal alloy
The writing of this show has definitely been one of its biggest failures, in my opinion. I've gotten the sense from a few of these Star Wars sows on Disney+ that they weren't originally written in the vein of what we ended up getting. I enjoyed Obi-Wan and Boba Fett (well, mostly), but those didn't feel like they were written as miniseries. Obi-Wan felt like it was written as a movie and then stretched out to make it a 6 episode series, which mostly worked, and Boba Fett felt like it was meant to be an arc in the newer season of Mandalorian and was instead stretched out to its own show. Acolyte definitely feels like it wasn't written as an 8 episode series, it feels like it was written as a movie, and they din't fully know how to stretch it out into a series, hence the weird pacing issues and structure.
This show is pretty good when the characters aren't talking.
🤣😆🤣😆 I actually laughed out loud, not even joking. That is 100% a perfect way to put it.
Feels like a person named Yord should be some kind of Norwegian stereotype.
"The material is called cortosis. It's very rare- I've heard stories about it, but never seen any. It's rumored to have unusually high energy absorption and transmission coefficients, to the point where many energy weapon blasts will be dissipated along the fibers without damaging the fibers themselves."
―Mitth'raw'nuruodo[2] (It's from Thrawn's Legends books and Doctor Aphra's comics)
38:12 No volume in The Acolyte. It has more expensive way as in On Location Sets & occasional studios used. Mostly On Location sets & this Khofar Forest encounter was filmed in Portugal 🙂 I'll restream S01E05 on saturday evening via D+, but i skip those you know 2x moments 😋
He has cortosis which is a mineral with very high energy absorption which gives it the ability to temporarily disrupt sabers
The concept of being knocked out for only the appropriate amount of time is also something that makes me incredibly frustrated watching a program that's this expensive. The fact that somebody could be thrown 35 ft through the air, land backwards on the back of their head and neck area, and only be knocked out is instantly suspect. I'm not looking for medical accuracy but she that is just able to be incapacitated for as long as the story / script needs it to be? Balderdash.
I still believe, mysteriously...oly 1 twin survived...which I think is Mae...so the blandness you sense in Amandle performance....is that of a ghost. She died long time ago, but we see her as a OBI type ghost. #Question ,,,how do you kill a ghost? And if the ghost wasn't there...Sol kills Qimir and immediately turns... #2 the DARKSIDE
Finally a damn great episode with very awesome fighting! Sadly Jecki died, she was a really cool character.
She was the best part of this series no question. She better be in Deadpool and Wolverine.
The show was written around amenla the fact she connects with no ody is very telling of her as an actress
He pushed Ocea out of the way instead of killing here because he sees her as a potential apprentice. He has a desire to find a Acolyte and Mae disappointed him. His urge to find a apprentice is a innate desire to rooted in...."The Rule of Two". Which means that his master is dead and he has become the master looking for an Apprentice
They had to kill Jecki, Dafne Keen, because it is rumored she might appear in the Deadpool movie.
I LOVE convoluted and twisted plots like this! They keep you guessing and have you on the edge of your seat the entire time you're watching! I am still having a hard time understanding why people are HATING THIS SHOW! 8/10 so far for me!
You are having a hard time understanding why people are HATING THIS SHOW? Lord have mercy, did you skip the 4 episodes prior? You black out during the boring dialogue or the convoluted story telling that isn't going any where? I'm a bias Star Wars fan, have been since the 80s, got Episode 1 tickets like they were Charlie and the Chocolate factory golden tickets. But even I''m not that obvious to recognize bad Star Wars content.
@@Kanoog just because it's not perfect doesn't mean it's not good. Let's leave it at that
I hope that Qimir is Actually "Ren" from the Knights of Ren , instead of a Sith.. That would be more interesting to me. After all he said that some "might" call him that, so he let us, and Sol assume that he is a Sith.. interesting review 🤔
It isnt the best, but im here for what it is. We got spoiled with Andor when it came to story telling but oh well, its a good tuesday watch!! Lol
Cortosis is the metal that Qimir has. It can short out sabers and absorb blaster bolts buuuut is also very fragile.
This was, for sure, the best episode of the series thus far which granted isn’t to hard to be. The lightsaber battle was definitely enjoyable. I liked the use of the force with the lightsaber choreography as well as the dark side user’s helmet being made of what I assume is Cortosis. As a lightsaber battle it definitely has its novelties, but was not the best lightsaber fight of all time. And outside of the lightsaber battle the episode wasn’t really anything to speak of. Honestly, the only thing that interests me about this show is the dark side user. I hesitate to call him a Sith. He doesn’t talk like one. But he does strike me as someone who is a tool of the actual Sith master and apprentice. In the same way that Asajj Ventress was a tool of Sidious and Dooku. I really hope that that’s the case because I think it would fit perfectly. Other than that I have no interest in this show.
There is a "dark hooded figure" in the background on Mae and Osha's homeworld when they are kids - that is probably the Sith lord [or Darth Zipperface, but I would guess his master].
The bugs were brought by Osha and not the Jedi master, so he didn't actually use the bugs to attack Darth Zipperface she did. Still weird that she used the bugs after stopping him from executing him though.
The tracker knows Mae has replaced Osha and will reveal that at some point when the time is right in the plot.
Agree that they should have combined the last two episodes.
Good breakdown of the episode - enjoy y'all's videos.
Some people think it might be Darth Tenebrous.
Pretty sure Osha didn’t think the bugs would do anything other than remove him from the area.
The first Knight of Ren was hot😛 That is why we saw Kylo Ren without a shirt in TLJ😉 Greetings from Germany🥰
I'm starting to suspect this is leading to the REAL Sith stepping in and killing the pretenders/acolytes before they make the jedi believe they've returned
Hey, thanks for reacting and giving your opinions :) this for me feels like one of the few places I can take honest criticism about the show from.
So.. bracers/helmet were probably made from cortosis (cortosis weave because metal itself is very brittle, but has high energy absorption qualities, it can even short out lightsabers)
IN MY OPINION Mae was only intrested in Osha surviving, didn't care much for the Jedi, but was probably very scared of her master and ran (that's why she tried begging I suppose)
.. Quimir is weirdly interested in Osha, since their encounter in ep. 2 (I think she has some hidden power she supresses), that's probably why he went after her and wants to make her his apprentice (Acolyte because Quimir is probably a Sith apprentice himself)
At the end with the twins Mae says that the Jedi brainwashed Osha (I really think that the episode 3 was really from Osha's perspective manipulated by the Jedi, either mind trick or general brainwashing and manipulation and the next episode will be the flashback from Mae's perspective)
My prediction for what happens next is that Sol and "Osha" run back to Vernestra, she forbids them to tell anyone and they try to kill the Sith themselves and get killed (Mae will of course be causing trouble, but not sure how at the moment, gather evidence if the coverup maybe??)
Other theory is that Quimir is a pretender Sith, not included in the rule of two.
I'm just glad Bazil picked up Pip. Loosing Jecki AND Pip in one episode would have been too much 😢
Sol has no responsibility on Osha's ideas.. he stopped training her 8 years ago, how was he gonna know what she was planning.. he can have his hands washed on bugs plan, Mae didn't go back with Sol to be a light sider, Osha saying no to her made her not to go as she was planning before, she would've surrendered.. Qymir probably lied about what he was saying, if we already knew all mysteries the show is not doing what they wanted to do, show format is what people that doesn't like it finds problems with it, if you watch the show without the pauses every week maybe it wouldn't be so criticized, i keep enjoying this series.. also, sadly Yord and Jecky came to star wars universe when fighters can really die.. r.i.p... you keep rocking and stay safe!
I feel like the show and mystery would have worked better if they weren’t twins. If it really was the way the Jedi saw it initially. Where mai (I’m going to use the name Mai, but mai and osha are the same person) was a survivor of the fire, trained as a Jedi, struggled to let the past go, failed as a Jedi, disappeared for 6 years and turned up as an acolyte hunting the Jedi from the fire. (And not flip flopping her motivations)
As I am sure many will point out cortosis is a metal that will short out lightsabers.
About Ki-Adi-Mundi, the Jedi lie, a lot. Watching the scene where he says there are no Sith feels like a flippant response of someone lying. I am sure Ki-Adi-Mundi would say what he said was true, from a certain point of view.
One thing that stuck me, was on this episode the power of many and the power of two fell to the power of one.
I love both your commentaries. You are a bright light in the fandom when so many others choose the Dark Side. I particularly like Claroos's reaction at the start of the ep asking are we not even going to see the fight as that was my exact thought too.
I liked the ep, it was an exciting running battle. Many cool moves, some philosophy, mass death, but did it move the story? We have an obvious reveal and we apparently are doing a twin swap, but really what did this accomplish for the story? With only 8 eps, and short eps at that, all should move things forward. A big battle ep is great and fun, but when last ep seemed filler and this just a long action sequence, that's twice we really don't go anywhere, we just thin the cast and shuffle people around.
Things that made no sense - Mae was going to hand herself in and the end of the episode not once instead of fighting did she say stop protect me I surrender to the Jedi instead she kept fighting and running.
Second. OSHA screamed help in the last episode SOl Cam running with all the other Jedi to see the flying slug thing die for yord to say it flew straight for the lightsaber for Sol to reply there are attracted to light. Flash forward to this scene and he has no idea what these things are like he forgot he was in the scene before Learning in about them being attracted to light. The writing for this show lets it down so much.
Why in the world would Mae turn herself in still when the leverage she had to give the Jedi (her master) is literally here and killing every one of the Jedi she was going to turn herself in to? If she turns herself in at that point, she’s killed when her master comes for Jecki, and if she doesn’t, she’s killed when her master comes to punish her. I don’t see the issue here
Mae had no confidence in the Jedi winning. She was in GTFO mode once Darth Mendoza showed up.
@@AngeloBarovierSD and the fact jord was in the scene with the flying bugs but somehow didn’t know what they were in the second scene with the flying bugs. Even tho he was stood there with all the other Jedi when it was killed and we had the attracted to light explanation. Now in this scene he pretends like he’s never seen them before. It’s all bad writing.
@@Medcanuk Unfortunately that conversation was for the audience. They had to repeat the story about the bugs so that people would remember.
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I liked it, but I haven't disliked this show yet.
That is Manny Jacinto, the goofy guy from The Good Place. Jason Mendoza! That blew my mind when I realized it.
It's cortosis metal, known from legends and some now canon stories to disrupt lightsabers. Beskar can withstand the heat of the sabers, but it doesn't disrupt them like that. There's also another lightsaber resistant material from the prequal movies, those staves the headless droids use for example.
Noooo! Not X23/Laura! Dafne was awesome in this. RIP... actually don't RIP, come back somehow and keep kicking butts. It's not like being stabbed by a lightsaber is all that lethal in the new shows. Jord can stay dead.
"A jedi like you might call me a sith... [but I wouldn't call myself that]" either because they're not associated with that religion, or because he's just an apprentice and the real sith master is out there pulling other strings. I figure he's chaotic evil, either alone or with a master. That leaves Ki's 'the sith have been dead for a millenia' comment to be true. Course Ki could just be lying, covering up that the sith did come back. I don't think either is 'lore breaking' at all.
Pretty sure the witches, the jedi, and Qimir (or whoever he's working for) all have plans for the twins. Though re-watching now it does seem he really tried to kill OSHA a few times, idk.
I figure Sol knows it's not OSHA, he figures she's dead and wants Mae to come along peacefully.
Or if not then the trauma, plus the hair covering the mark most of the time, plus them being force-twins (or whatever) plus maybe some dark force power manipulation could keep Sol in the dark about her not being OSHA for a bit.
"I would keep that helmet" and the lightsabers, and the BODIES?! Just letting them stay there to be bug food seems really cold.
No, I won't stop calling her Occupational Safety and Health Organization. It's just too funny.
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Jecki is a full jedi now right? Both she and Sol started winning the fight when they lost their cool and used their emotions. Almost like Qimir was feeding off those repressed emotions or twisting/highlighting them to throw the jedi off. He's not super-powerful, but he's something these jedi haven't seen before and don't know how to handle. The force has only ever been their ally, so having it twisted against them in that way really throws them off.
What fight scene was that? Only thing like it I can think of is with Dichen Lachman in Altered Carbon, but they're not all fighting at once.
Mae isn't good now... not sure where you're getting that vibe from. She left her sister 'dead' in the forest, and even before then she was just going to go turn herself in, not sign up for the jedi order or anything. She was tired of being in the poo all the time and wanted it to stop.
Chaotic evil isn't a good enough motivation? I don't wanna start a flame in your heart, I just wanna set the world on fire...
The jedi didn't 'kill' Qimir, their hanger on did and the jedi let it happen. Just like batman throwing bad guys to the crowd, or flying off the train before it crashes.
Seems like the whole point of this, and several shows now, is to point out that the jedi weren't all good. They were lawful good bordering on neutral, but even then they'd bend their rules to get stuff done. Every society/organization large enough needs a Section 31. Ki Mundi could be that.
@NerdyNightly there’s a theory on episode 3 during the ceremony behind the mother witches there’s a mysterious cloaked sith figure in black that dint show his face could be pleagus or his master or smilo ren since the stranger wasn’t a witch
The armor is made of Cortosis ore. It can absorb a lot of energy and short out lightsabers for a bit. It’s also a more on the fragile side than like a good piece of durasteel or Mandalorian baskar. Making it prefect for a Sith Assassin who doesn’t intend on sticking around for a prolonged fight or going into battle.
28m forward: Should give time for both to share thoughts ^^ Maybe for next one it goes smoothly. Good weekend & preparation for S01E06 streaming via D+ 🧘♂🧘♀
Nevermind as around 35-36 it goes to both ways 🙂 Good talks & good Live Act Star Wars Telly era 😋
Nope. Beskar doesn't shut off lightsabers. What you are seeing here is Cortosis.
Cortosis is Not the OP game breaker people think it is. Even in Legends it has a number of limitations.
1. It is extremely rare.
2. It is brittle and not suitable for use in hard armor or weapons. It is most commonly incorporated as a "weave"
3. It is a Limited use item, As every time it is struck by a lightsaber it is actually being cut partially. It is consumed by use.
Smilo Ren's helmet is not Plate, it is a Gimp Mask, That is why pomnel strikes and elbows work
All that said, it is in fact, also NOT force repellent. It does not have any magneto helmet anti Telepath powers. That is probably just a misdirect and a red herring. Sowing doubt and misinformation.
Even if you did something silly like giving it a padded lining made of Yslmiri skin, ( Which also would not work because they have to be alive) That would cut off your ability to use the force which this clearly doesn't..
Jecki Shares one of the advantages that Ahsoka has over other Padawans in combat, both Theelins and Togruta are evolved from predator species. Allowing instinct to take over and fight immersed in the Force is a different matter entirely. This is a legit Padawan flareout end against long odda. RIP.
The concealed lightsaber in the stacked can configuration is not a problem. No one should be trying to say that one blade shoots through the other handle. When connected the circuitry just routes everything to the single emitter.
The bigger Problem is their complete inability to understand the passage of time and continuity. The murder and confrontation happened at sunset.... The episode is labeled "night", But it runs all the way through the entire engagement until the following dawn. Now.
You may say multiple suns, or multiple moons.... But they didn't and this is just executed.... poorly.
They are clearly trying to hedge their bets and avoid committing to Qmir being a Sith. Whether he is or not and whether he is the Master or the Apprentice or not doesn't matter. Calling your pupil an "Acolyte" Only matters under the Rule of 2 from a Certain point of View.... It is the hypocrisy of technically abiding by a rule you are blatantly breaking. Also, As we see with Maul and Savage, if you are NOT a "current" Ro2 Sith and claim the title Master or Apprentice, That is a fast track to getting the actual Sith's attention.
Sneaky. Osha used the magnetic coupler on Pip's head to connect to the metallic "X" symbol on the back of Qmir's robes. I don't have a problem with it and it is just the plot convenience of giving him something else to deal with.
Coercing the jedi into striking in anger is a recurring theme, and the most common way to get them to slip into the dark side. Now that Mae has betrayed him, I can believe Qmir is on the lookout for any new candidate. Top of his new list to try out are both Osha and Sol.
What 6 person fight scene were they talking about? What show?
Dichen Lashen had a naked fight scene with many people of a sort, but it was one on one on one on one... at the end of Altered Carbon.
If you don’t like something, you don’t like something. Same thing with liking something. That’s it
Yeah his virtual signaling rant was laughable 😂
I'm going to butcher the spelling but the metal is most like coretosis from legends. Similar to what you mentioned however it shorts out a lightsaber blade.
The death of a main character usually means an increase in stakes and the death of one that is beloved is supposed to be poignant. I hope these weren't for shock value. Otherwise I think this is the best episode so far.
It is not "Perfect Jedi" Master Jedi Plo Koon of Dorin that was killed in there but female Jedi Knight Ithia Paan of Dorin. .
The armor may be Cortosis metal, which has the ability to short a lightsaber blade. Darth Bane used this metal for his armor.
I think he pushed her to show her the benevolence within his motivation to maybe turn her, to make her his acolyte.
That particular scene between Sol, Osha, and Qimir made no sense. The dude just killed 6-7 Jedi's and you mean to tell me Sol doesn't capture him to bring back to the counsel or kill him on the spot? This isnt even about killing someone unarmed anymore. Qimir is dangerous and a major threat that can't be simply dealt with Jedi compassion.
Technically yeah, it would've been the smarter decision. But we know that the jedi code forbids it and sometimes that's a good thing. If Anakin didn't kill Dooku but brought him back to Coruscant for questioning, Sidious whole plan could've been ruined. And if Mace Windu later on would've listened to Anakin before he tried to strike down an unarmed Palpatine ... basically the same thing. So killing an enemy on the spot isn't always the best shot, especially if you know nothing about them.
I still think the Sith is the mother remember she's a witch and it has been shown and it has been stated multiple times about her ability to get in someone's head and stay there. I believe she is essentially projecting an image of a man to hide her true identity from the Jedi and her daughters (for now) I think this will be one of the final reveals
Cortosis helmet and bracers. It not only defends against lightsabers, but also shorts them out. It's been a thing since before Disney Star Wars.
Loving your reactions to this series! I think there are some beautiful visuals in this show, but agree with a lot of your points about the flaws.
Mae wants justice. Meaning either revenge or getting the Jedi to turn themselves in and confess to their “crimes’. Whereas Osha is just a character that’s basically along for the ride because her twin sister is wanted by the Jedi for the crime of killing Jedi. While the actress is great for physical sequences, unfortunately she’s suffers since it’s almost as if the other characters get just as much screen time and,.. I guess maybe they are both being so far taking for a ride while happening to be the two survivors to what ever happened with their coven 16 years earlier?.. and I’m guess figuring that out as well as what happened here will take dominance, while they learn the truth and with that we will get some depth to her characters.
Jecki might still be alive (probably disabled) as the one source I read listed her as being in 7 episodes. They could probably make that work since she’s not human. Their spine is in the same place it doesn’t necessarily that her organs are.
Jecki's dead, man.
Interesting..I kinda laughed when she starts with " I'm not hating" then starts stroking her hair..it just looks like n poker "a tell"
Mae was stunned for 5 minutes. Sol was stunned for hours?
Blaster was set to random stun times.
I liked this episode better than the rest, but it feels like they're not trying to make a compelling story or phoning it in because they think it's guaranteed
i think live action shows just dont hit like they used to but i’ll say this episode was definitely a step up from the other ones
I want to see the Acolylope in the next Star Wars Canada. Staring a Jedi Moowiee.
With the Osha character stuff, I feel she was better in the first ep. It's like the actress had grounded her in the life she had that gets interrupted by the plot and can't work that into the rest of the show.
Plus the show is leaning on Sol lying to her and indoctrinating her. When Osha turned on Mae she sounded so robotic “You must pay for your crimes” like she was on Jedi autopilot there
Osha is a "damsel in distress". It's going to take her learning the truth about what happened on Brendock for her to become her own person and unlock her power.
Also sorry for all the comments, i tend to make them as i have thoughts while watching through
High nerdy and clarus it's me 🥰 I really enjoy your reactions ever so truly you 2 are the best. The mask was really intense like it's able to turn off the lightsaber for a second. It's really sad that 2 jedi characters had to die😢 Was not ready for that.
Now the twins have switched.
just reacted!!! bro best duel since sith!
The metal he uses to short out the saber is called CORTOSIS, look it up✌️
Jecki, Yord and the other "red shirts" Jedi's, we barely knew ye. 🥺😅 I wish we had spent more time with Jecki and Yord to feel that their deaths made an impact, more than the shock it gave us. I wanted to love them but I don't because I need to know more about the characters to care for them. Per-maybe-haps Osha will become Qimir's new Acolyte and Mae turns to the light? ☯️ I think the fighting looked cool and I loved it! The sisters are the least interesting thing about the show for me at the moment but that might change later in the show. 🤷♀️ Sol and Qimir are more interesting and I would love to get to know more about their backstory. Will Sol ever tell Osha what happened or will he only tell Mae and she will smell bullshit? 🤔🤣 He probably knows that Mae is with him on the ship. Anyhow, will continue to watch the show next week.
The action was killer, but can someone explain WHERE were Sol and Jeki in the beginning? Did they just hang out while all the other Jedi were being cut down, Jeki even popped up in the same spot as the massacre. Also how did a Padawan hold her own with Sith but multiple Knights and Masters got cut down when attacking all together? It might feel nitpicky but those things really bothered me.
Anakin vs Obi Wan is peak lightsaber combat. This one was ok I kinda enjoyed it but story wise it still shit and doesn’t make a lot of sense.
yord and Jackie will prob show up at the end as force ghosts
I'm actually getting whiplash from Mae's flip flopping. Mae: "I'm gonna surrender to the Jedi because my sister is all"...literal next episode "oh look a jedi is trying to arrest my for my crimes, I was gonna turn myself in but fighting is cooler"..."oh like my Sith boss is here let's not help the Jedi and run away from my boss"...I"I found my sister, let's team up, nah I'm gonna knock you out and pretend to be you and leave you for dead"... I don't understand how this show got greenlit. I fucking hate this show but it's just because it's bad. It didn't ruin Star Wars for me...The Last Jedi did that.
You've never met a teenage girl?
Mae is not flip flopping AT ALL. She didn't say she was joining the Jedi; she was going to surrender to them to save her own ass. She spent this entire episode in fight-or-flight mode.
@@hoos3014 I never said she was joining the Jedi, I said she was surrendering to the Jedi and surprise surprise, she didn't. She is one of the flakiest indecisive characters I've ever seen...How can you think she's not flip flopping? I'm genuinely curious...
@@Daniel-Strain Sure, except I don't think Mae's being portrayed as a teenager.
@@kilrasha77 She's not flip flopping because she's not changing her goal (survival). She's changing her tactics in the face of new information.
After her master arrives, surrendering to the Jedi is no longer a viable path to survival. In fact, it's more likely to get her killed. She spent the entire episode trying to get away from the fight by any means necessary.
Loved the canon discussion. 😂
You keep calling Qimir Jason Mendoza but I am pretty sure it’s Manny Jacinto.
Jason is his character on The Good Place. We call him that out of love I promise
Qimir arms are bare. The stun should have some impact.
Force users can absorb energy. And some very tough wookiees can take a single stun shot too.