He did say men need to be asked. But, Jesus has already asked men. If men are not coming, it's not on anyone else but each man. No one should have to "dig in" for men to do what God expects them to do.
@@broco6608you confused, Church and Jesus are two different thing. What u said about Jesus and men is on point, but the issue in question is about the Church a physical legal entity and men. Men's issues are not being addresses by the Church and the Church is complaining its revenue is not growing as it should if it continue to Hope to still collect the mens resources but disregard half of tour customer base's concerns.
I bought my non religious wife her first Rosary , she received it well and confessed she always wanted to learn to pray Thank you lord for showing her your love . I was a fool , for years I held on to my knowledge and beliefs and allowed my children to grow up Godless, leaderless, and lost. My family is still young my son is 15 and my daughter 11 . I started introducing them to Jesus and they are in love with him now , we are on our way to becoming Catholic . Thank you Lord , you have shown me the light and I want to share it with the world ❤🙏✝️
What a miraculous and beautiful gift! I will be praying for your family and all family's on a journey through conversion . I will tell you that the journey of family conversion is a miracle and gift from God. What started as my father converting to the faith 7 ago has led to the conversion of my entire family : myself, my son,my sister , her husband , my neighbors and the baptism and confirmation of their 16yo grandson this Easter. (Not attributing this to my dad wholly, it was truly the Holy Spirit). But there is a special and Christ ordained role for a father and his children. May God bless you and keep you , your children and wife. 🙏❤
Similar to me. My children are 12 and 15. I'm Anglican and my wife is Japanese (so Buddhist/Shinto) and is committed to that but what troubles me is that she (like many women) is fascinated by star charts and tarot, the kinda stuff the Bible warned us against. I go to Church by myself (only recently returned after a long absence) but my children, especially my son is showing some curiosity about Christ.
Christ told the Disciples how to pray and there was no, man made Rosary involved. The Rosary is simply another example among many Pagan practices in the Catholic Church.
Honestly the fact that you guys had to gush in praise of women for five or so minutes before you felt comfortable enough to talk about men's issues is part of the problem
Yup, that's what I noticed too. Five minutes of simping about how wonderful women are, followed by telling men that they need to do better, "step up." Gee, I wonder why men are avoiding church...
Yep, I stopped listening after 11 minutes. Don't need another sermon about another way in which I'm failing. I'm hard enough on myself; don't need these yayhoos piling on.
What a great time to have this talk.. Today is St. Joseph the worker and I want my husband to learn more as I am learning. We were away from the Catholic church and recently came back ❤🙏❤🙏❤
Me too I recently came back to the Church 10 years I've been going to mass every Sunday I've been back five months. And I know it's 100% my fault I'm praying one day my wife going to mass we are still married live in the same house but she feel hurt she was taking the kids to church without me
@Jonathan Goodwin We were with the Presbyterian Church for 15 years but I was born and raised Catholic because of my Mom and Grandmother..my Dad was Lutheran and he really was a great Dad he suffered from mental illness but I know at Peace and keep praying for my family. Don't give up keep strong in our Faith you are on the right track and your wife and children will follow . Pray to the Holy Family Jesus Christ, Blessed Mother Mary and St. Joseph along with all of us .I learned more now that I am 50 about our Catholic faith. I have been learning finding different Catholic priests on TH-cam. Father Chris Alar Marian priests brought me back has been about 3 months we have not missed so keep praying my husband I know struggling but I know God has a plan for him greater than we know. I will be praying for you. It brings years to my eyes when I see the families in Church together ❤️ tears of joy and pray we all come back to our Church that Jesus Christ started 🙏 Peace be with us all and for those that don't k own or lost there path like me.❤🙏❤
I'm having a tough time getting into the confessional. Have not been there for about 30 years. Now I'm back to the catholic church. And I am ashamed of my sins and I am a coward to go into confession. Please pray for me so that my hunger and believe for the eucharist surpasses my shame and cowardice
Just to let you know, we are praying for you. It took me 30 years also to get into the confessional and I know the feeling. Just know, Jesus ocean of mercy will be upon you and the feeling of knowing you're forgiven for all those sins will be like a ton of bricks off your back. Find a good priest, get a appointment, and know that Jesus is waiting for you right now to take that step. Peace be with you. JMJ.
Pray, Our Lady will give you the strength and courage to go. Our Lord is waiting for you, waiting to spill His grace and mercy upon you. He knows your sins already, own up to them and you will feel weightless and free. It’s amazing and He is waiting for you. Know we are all praying for you.
Once you go through it you will wonder why you didn't go sooner. Priest stands in for Jesus christ. Nothing they haven't heard before. Their are 2 ways usually that you can go into the confessional. Face to face or Private. To this day I prefer the Private. Every church should offer those 2 ways. If yours doesn't for some reason perhaps you can attend another church. God will guide you. I will pray for you Jesus christ tells us " be not afraid "
When I lived in Italy it was mainly older woman and I was one of the few men who attended... I told the Priest heaven must be filled with woman , he laughed.
The problem of the lack of men attending church is more prevalent in the Novus Ordo mass, but after attending the Traditional Latin Mass, I see a lot more men,especially younger men.
Amen great show! I was cradle catholic and away from the church for over 20 yrs. Focused on my career, money, cars etc...God got my attention in a dramatic way. Came back to church amazing wife who converted to catholicism from protestant denomination, while I was not religious or attending church. After God got my attention I came back, and found Catholic talk show. You guys opened up my eyes to how to love my faith and be a great catholic. Family is doing well, kids love church, I attend men's group, go to confession regularly, attend mass regularly. God has blessed me more than I could ever imagine along with my amazing wife, and kids. Godbless the Catholic talk show and all that you all do. One day I want to do an esto ver trip with you guys!!
My wife and I are cradle Catholics and we both lost a spouse to cancer. While I never fell away, I was pretty lax in my faith. She and her husband on the other hand, both fell away. On our tenth anniversary, we visited the Church of the Holy Cross in Sedona AZ. She got the urge to go to Confession. We both came away invigorated and excited about our future. Thank you Jesus for everything you do for us!
Feminism, 50% failure of 1st marriages and 70-90% for 2nd marriages. I don't appreciate putting men down. Frankly, women are much to blame. I don't think men are given the credit due. Men have become soft and women are becoming manly. Men choose to leave because they are not wanted. Sad. The church needs to support men and understand what it's like out here.
A truly humble person looks from within and doesn't blame others for their life being hard. Men today are weak and lukewarm, they don't want to carry the cross they inherited, they wanna complain, and stop going to church cause 'it's too feminine'... yeah well, when the majority of the church is women, it's because the men aren't there to make it masculine.
I can't believe that no one in the comments has even mentioned men's time management, and being over-extended in life as a reason for men not getting to church. Men are expected these days to take on even more responsibilities at home, whether his wife works or not, while still working full time. The church either treats men as wallets or free labor when we already get enough of that at home and at work during the week. The church needs to offer men something other than just another job and even more obligations than they already have. Even when we do every thing right the world is telling us its not enough and we just need to "Man Up". Now the church is saying the same thing and I think that's the problem. Holy Mother Church should not be a nag...
Fewer men are going to church for the same reason that fewer men are going to college. We have increasingly tried to elevate women, which is not always a bad thing, but we are suffering unintended consequences from that. If women are taking over the rules that men used to have, where is the place for men? Men also stopped having a sense of belonging at home as well.
this but backwards. the problem is: a lack of ego or pride or inititive to do an acceptable and tolerable job, so much humility there is no value or point in going conciet -over promising and under delivering, a lack of introspection or curiosity in engaging and interacting with men, and a lack of any inciting sexual interest or and benefit to men in any way whatsoever, is what is repelling men. do some miracles, make your church a social club with social advancement opportunities, create private and play opportunities so that hobbiests join you, bestow by your discretion redemption and grace where they have none. and drop the preaching stuff. no man wants to be lectured by people he deems inferior, let alone inadequate.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” - Ven. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
I note, you neglected to provide, one misconception. I left the Roman Catholic Church 6 years ago and for Good Reason. Example: What gives the Priest the infallible Scriptural Power and Authority to, Forgive Sin in the Confessional?
@@jimselimos4863 No one can take your Faith Away, except you. Salvation is a very serious issue, that needs serious thought. If you are not serious about it, enough to consider other opinions, then that isn't my problem but yours. The men on this show are making statements for which there is absolutely no evidence. They make statements full of presumptions. I'm a man and the church, I attend every Sunday is full of men, who came from the Catholic Church.
Because most NO parishes removed an emphasis of the SACRIFICE and DYING TO SELF and replaced it with an effeminate hand holding praise and worship service. We’ve also EMASCULATED the priesthood with alter girls countless Eucharistic minsters etc.
Great episode like always. I spent my 20s as a First Communion catechist and youth minister. Everyone kept saying you are a young men should be out partying and getting ladies, but I got deep into my faith. Right before my 30s I was blessed by meeting my wife and getting married. Now I have a toddler girl and another on the way and I am creating a Liturgical Living Home to raise them in. I cant do it on my own only by trusting the Lord and putting knees to the ground every day. God bless
What a powerful message from John. I completely identify with him. When he quoted St Luke "deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me", I was floored, because this was the Gospel passage that snapped my head around years ago. The power of God's forgiveness, healing, and redemption was on full display in this episode. I wish that everyone would understand the freedom of transparency, humility, and vulnerability which leads to healing. The first Commandment isn't about a golden calf. The question is, am I looking to "save face" (pride) and is that more important than accepting God's mercy? Thank you for airing this episode. It touched my heart. Glory to Jesus Christ!
I have to also say that one thing people don't want to hear about why men don't go to church as much anymore is that Church as far back as I know essentially became a Old Women's Club.
This is the topic of need in the Church. Men are suppose to be the Spiritual Leader of the family. I am a convert to Catholicism and I spent most of my time as a pew warmer. The Spiritual War has always been raging. "Apart from Me you can do nothing, Jesus said (John 15:5) He did not say. “you can’t do much” but, “you can do nothing” We are not made for comfort
When I was young, my father stayed at home watching football, and my mother took us children to Mass. In my household I'm the one getting the children to attend Mass. If I don't go to Mass because I work overnight or I'm sick, my wife doesn't take the children. In my line of work, if my relief doesn't show up to work, I'm stuck at work for an additional 4 hours, which is a problem because I work 2nd shift on Saturdays.
So refreshing and wonderful to hear the honesty and TRUE masculinity !!! As a woman I wonder also how the lies of the militant feminism energy in society have affected men and their feelings of inadequacy- those lies have definitely affected me as a woman being comfortable in my feminity . A dark energy for sure. Sharing with all of the males I know , thank you !!!
When attending a traditional latin church, i am always in awe of how its FULL of devout faithful MEN. The priests are retired cops and retired military. There are more men in rosary groups than women. What a refreshing breath of fresh air to be surrounded by men who accept their leadershio roles, so countercultural to the silly de-masculine vibe on social media. Its been very inspiring for my protestant husband to experience a church where people take their faith zealously (women wear veils, kneeling for eucharist, etc). We love it. I think my spouse will convert soon. As a woman, it's very encouraging to be married to a man who fears the Lord. I feel more protected and sanctified, and its much easier to submit.
Men leave the Church for 2 reasons: The first is that the Church participates in the attack on the family. While the Church officially condemns the right things, you never hear it from the pulpit (birth control, sex, and so forth). This lack of conviction carries over to confession. If men confess some slight sexual offense, the priest tries to shame him rather than work it through with the person or counsel him. But you can't give what you don't have, and priests are completely mesmerized by sex. Men pick these things out rather quickly (within minutes). So the Church is seen as completely hopeless (provides no answers) by young men, and they are right too much of the time. The young men see the Church as a bunch of irrelevant hypocrites. The second is that Church has abandoned logic. Again, in the official teaching, the Church has its right, but that doesn't carry into the pews. For example, an atheist asks a simple question about Thomas of Aquinas, and the archbishop responds, "I don't have that book" (Summa Theologica). You have to wonder whether the bishop has a Bible. Since it was very much in the public, I answered for the atheist, and I know I was right, but that made the bishop angry. That much laziness and ignorance is not going to inspire young men.
Great show. I've been praying to bring my husband back to the church and for guidance to do that. Tonight, I decided to have a talk with my "conversion" resistant man, but felt uncertain. You dropped this episode. Five hours later I find it, watch it, and, crying, pray that God grace me to open my husband's heart. We will have that talk. I will share this episode and podcast. Please pray with me that he returns to the faith. P.S. Favorite part - Fr. Rich smiling pure delight listening to the powerful, inspiring witness unfolding in front of him. God bless you all!
This episode has inspired me to fervently pray for the men both in and out of the church. On Good Shepherd sunday we were reminded by my priest to pray for vocations : to the priesthood but also in marriage. Ps- when I went through RCIA there was a lovely older couple, the husband jewish, had been attending mass for 20 years and never converted. He finally did. My father, who was a dedicated anti catholic, went through RCIA three times before his conversion.. he now goes to daily mass and leads tours on the church grounds. 🙏❤ Our conversions to the faith begin but our lives continue a path of daily conversion and dedication to Christ. 🙏🙏❤
I thought this was going to go in a different direction. I thought they were going to talk about the reason men started to stop going to Mass 50yrs ago...I know that these guys don't have a lot of love for the traditional form of Mass, but the walk away from that and the walk away from masculinity in the church and the Mass, is the reason men stopped going. Men should have a prominent role of the celebration of Mass, and that was stopped. We know why, lets not pretend like there haven't been terrible consequences of it. We need to nurture that tradition and reverence back into the church, that's where all the young people are.
trads always like to say that they have the youth, my brother in Christ, go look at any hispanic community, and you will see their churchs overflowing and kids, there is literally a quinceneria at my church week.
@JoseSantos-dk6nw so the West, which is obviously where we have seen this issue, is where I'm talking about. So yes, I am correct, I'm not really sure why you commented, but I'll take it in good faith and assume you just didn't know what I was talking about. But yes, Traditional communities are overflowing, while the newer form parishes are dying. Also, not every community/country has high numbers of Hispanic, so a very odd example for you to say.
Yeah when it went on a 20 minute pity party about the one guy’s addiction issues I knew this podcast wasn’t going to cover the ACTUAL reason men abandoned the church.
For men who want to be involved in something like this who don't have a group available, or want to start something like these men's groups in your parish but don't know how, if for some reason the program they talk about here isn't feasible, look for or into the Knights of Columbus. They just started a chapter at my parish and I learned how different they are than what I thought. (it's NOT a bunch of old guys with swords!) The monthly meeting starts with beers and food, then moves to business, but we have had recreational events, fun outings, and more. Even if it's not at your parish you'll be welcomed.
Every third Friday of the month I go to the Bible study for men at the Catholic Church and that helps me also what helps me a listen to father Mike Bible in a year
David...swimming the Tiber is not that difficult... Retired Anglican Priest here who took the plunge seriously 7 years ago...the only downside is the music...wimpy, syrupy OCP songs at my parish, but great fellowship around the Eucharist!
What helped me when I came back to the church Parish Office the woman that was working there listening Catholics coming home. It was a really awesome testimonies.
My Dad brought us to church. My mother never went because she was a divorced woman and the priest at the time told my Dad not to marry her. She was the love of his life. So my influence was my father. He's gone now. It's him i think of when i go to church. I'm the worst Catholic in the world, but I'm Catholic.
We all make mistakes. I made a huge mistake left the church what do the Baptist Church that I was brought up in my wife was stuck with the kids taking them to Mass without me while I was at the Baptist Church. That was a biggest mistake of my life I go to mass every Sunday I've been back five months. Now my wife doesn't go she feels hurt that I didn't go with her kids were babies but the bait but they were all baptized babies. I wish I would have learned my lesson back then but I wasn't raised Catholic I did not know the church teachings back then even though I had taken all the classes that was no excuse what I did still married to my wife we live in the same house she loves me but she's not ready yet hoping someday we will go with a family to Mass
That's really sad. I was a very lukewarm Catholic for 28 years. I had no clue what my identity was, I was absolutey ignorant of the faith and liturgy. Once anxiety hit me out of nowhere, I started researching the faith and prayed 4 rosaries a day because I was scared of falling back into my dark sins and horrible anxiety and insomnia. I watch sensus fidelium and other Catholic channels. I also sought out a TLM fssp mass. Loved it.
I’m so glad the Lord led me to your channel and this video, in particular. I believe that Christ is calling men in the church to unite for the purpose of challenging and encouraging each other to follow Him at all costs and to lead our families, parishes and communities.
This is a great video, and all four of you are to be commended for your honesty and willingness to share your struggles and the way you help each other to fight the good fight. My one and only criticism, if I may be so bold, is with the Bobble head Jesus and saints on the table. I understand the thought behind it. It’s kind of disarming and communicates to the viewer that you guys are everyday guys with a sense of humor etc…. For me, personally, with everything happening in our world, i just think that we as Catholics and Christians, should do everything in our power to present Christ with all the honor He is due and with a sobriety of thought that leads others to take us and Him seriously. Please take that for what it’s worth and thank you again for what you are doing. God bless!
I love listening to you all about the faith. I am a cradle Catholic and have attended both Catholic grade and high schools, but am still learning more about my faith from shows like yours on you tube. Why isn’t the Catechism of the Catholic Church spoken about in the Sunday sermon? Thank you for your insights and knowledge of the faith. I usually watch your show on my television, so cannot leave comments, but I always try to remember to press the ‘like button’. Thank you again!!
You can't go through life without a compass. Men should realize that faith is the only compass and if you know the direction others will follow, especially your own kids.
I will tell you why I do not care to go: For my first 17 years of life my mother forced me to go to church with them every Sunday. I had no choice but to go. When I was a little kid I did not mind so much but as I got into my later teens I very much disliked being forced to go when I had a driver's license and a car and I could not go do what I wanted but was forced to go to Church so that my mother could prove to everyone what a good person she was having her kids in church with her. Anyway, after I turned 18 my dad, bless his heart, convinced her that it should be my decision from then and after that, I went decades without going again. I did start after I got married to please my husband on occasion, but I did not go because I wanted to go but only because she wanted me to be there. Too many millions of people go to church just to be seen there by others and that's not me. I know there is a God in Heaven and I know that Jesus died for me. To me, that is plenty good enough.
If you have humility you'll answer this honestly. What if Jesus commanded that we keep Holy the Sabbath day? That means we go to mass every weekend either during the Vigil or Sunday. And that every time you don't go, you're rejecting Jesus everytime you sin badly. Jesus died for you, but are you willing to love and serve him? Or are you just gonna lukewarm your way through life thinking you're going to Heaven doing the bare minimum or mediocre way? I used to just go to church to please the parents, then I went to church because I wanted to go to Heaven, not knowing that I was on the road to hell because I treated Jesus like an atm. I did not really love him in life nor did I love others, or spend time with Jesus. No one gets into Heaven the lazy convenient way. If Jesus tells ya to do something, you do it. Or you could be like the devil and say, "I will not serve!"
Practicing what is expected to live a life in the Christian religion is actually quite difficult. People can find themselves feeling quite guilty about their failure to perform. At the same time making a living in a fast changing economy and dealing with the changing issues family face has been getting more complex. Media increasingly accentuates all of this today to an almost inescapable extent. Something(s) give way. Not being confronted with one’s religious shortcomings can be a stress reducer.
Hmmm, I’ve not had the opportunity to listen to the whole podcast but I can tell you having moved to the TLM the Men are the ones that lead the rosary before mass, dressed with suit coats , leading their families and the parish is growing! #sspx
Thank you for this excellent episode! I found it very informative as a woman to hear this perspective. Gave me & my husband some good stuff to talk about too.
Men sacrifice for what inspires them. If the Church doesn't inspire sacrifice, men will tolerate it at best. Most churches today don't preach Christ Our Lord, but "Boyfriend Jesus" who will give you a cuddle, a pat on the head, and tell you everything will be alright. That works wonders for women, but it drives men away and doesn't inspire them. When churches return to preaching a Christ who truly inspires sacrifice, the men will find their way back.
Another great episode. I am looking forward to meeting John at the Catholic Men Leadership Alliance’s retreat in Malvern PA. Ready to jump into the breech! God bless.
I'm a convert from protestantism to Catholicism and I attend a Traditional Latin Mass. To me, the TLM feels more masculine, serious, and militant than any type of worship I've experienced at other types of churches or sects. I feel like I'm on the front lines of spiritual warfare with my fellow parishioners, and we are winning against evil, because our Lord has already won.
Happy to have happened upon this show! Thanks guys! Hubby was a GREAT provider, but….our relationship and family could have gone to an even higher, higher level, he’s gone now, and I’m missing what could have been.
Im Catholic, but in Asia. So, I admire more going to temple and practicing kung fu, meditating etc. The monks are great. In Catholic, I don't know... Priests and acolyte wear skirts and the culture in general is somewhat effiminate. It is in fact female dominated. I prefer the Buddhist temple.
Wife isn't Catholic. The observation I've made is the Mass I go to is like visiting a retirement home. It's packed but everyone is over 70 practically; whereas when I go to a non denominational service with her there's lots of families and young people.
For several years now, I have refused to say, "I'm fine," in answer to the question, "How are you?" I just don't like that social lie. So I say, "I'm vertical." I think I had started to say that when I was going through a rough personal spot. But it still serves me well.
The liturgy is a big reason that men do not attend mass. Men want to be heroes and respond to challenges and calls for action. Unfortunately the new mass is feminised and is more comforting and nurturing. This appeals to women but not men. Men do not respond to the Novus Ordo well (generally speaking). Men need the discipline and masculinity in the liturgy. They need to be challenged and made to feel like a man. I've been to both NO and TLM many times on 3 different continents. The story is always the same. Great video guys thank you!
My case was a little different at the beginning we would go as a family to the Catholic Church. I was a convert got baptized 1979 at that time I was aged 22 the ones that helped me get in their Church for classmates of mine in high school then I didn't go as much cuz I made some mistakes got into drugs. Then I met my wife she's from the Philippines she was aged 29 I was age 50 when we got married in the Catholic Church first we had a civil wedding and after that we got married by a priest in the Catholic Church. The reason we did it that way ins was trying to send my wife panty the Philippines that's why we did the Civil wedding first. We started going to the Catholic Church and the family and before we did the wedding I had to do confessions fill out the paperwork for the wedding in the Catholic Church. My wife was the one that started taking the kids to Mass for a while because I went back to the Baptist Church the way I was raised eventually at age 66 I came back to Church started going to mass by this time my wife doesn't want to go she felt hurt I wasn't going with her when I was going to the Baptist Church the hundred percent my fault. I want all my children to go but they want to stay home play on the cell phones cell phones they like playing games but everyone of my children baptized when they were baby. I took the classes over again took the classes over again I didn't know what I believed did not know the Eucharist was it presents Jesus Christ body and blood. I thought we worship Mary thought we worship Mary but we don't we honor her where I got that idea I don't know. What got me to come back was father Mike that I listen to on TH-cam I also listen to for the rich Catholic Talk show. Family friend of they are Catholic they lost their dad that got me to think about it That Could Have Been Me and I would not have been ready to meet the Lord.
And also I think things would have been different if my parents raised me a Catholic stead of Baptist. Then I would not have had these problems wanted to go to other churches but I thank God I made it back I've been back for five months now fortunately me and my wife have two close friends from the Philippines and they're trying to help for we're all going back to mask again and I called him I text both of them cuz I have still have a lot of questions what the church believes it's like I am learning over and I had no idea that Catholic Church wrote the Bible I had learned that over because when I was going to the Baptist Church they said they will to Bible from all the way to the apostles and I found out that's not even true my faith is getting stronger and stronger find me the all the lies I was told and the Baptist Church. But now I really enjoy going to the Mass listen to the priest and partaking of the Eucharist and I'll make it happen once a month to my confessions confessions
Since I came back to the Catholic Church I go to mass every Sunday and during the week I will listen to father Mike Bible in a year. Also when I'm driving 1620 Catholic station. I was gone for 10 years and I made it back because of father Mike all his topics
@@jonathangoodwin646 hi Jonathan! I’d like to recommend Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz on YT. It is excellent! I am a cradle Catholic & I am learning so much!🙏
This video is why men have stopped going, and will continue to quit. I can read and study and pray on my own, we all can, without being condescended too and being “cowardly”. A lot of churches are just like every single other institution now. A lot of guys are going to convert to orthodox or Islam I bet.
Also the other thing when I went through the classes on the Catholic Church I didn't know but I believed but I did go for the classes classes but when I came back to the Catholic Church I took the classes over again online now I understand better and I did not know Eucharist was it presents a Jesus Christ body and blood I did not know that I thought it was a symbol
I think why younger men in there 20's dont go to church is some are caught up in drinking and partying. It happenned to me, I had faith but cared more about having fun. After a while your friends move on that your partied with but God never left me.
The masculine qualities of the Faith are alive and well in Holy Tradition and it is imperative that the Church revive and embrace them. Unfortunately, many qualities of modern parishes are an obstacle to discovering them, from music choice, to artwork choice in the church, to the orientation of the altar, to the placement of the tabernacle, to the casual distribution of Holy Communion via extraordinary ministers, to the lackadaisical recitation of Holy Scripture by lay people, to the bearing of the gifts, etc. Once one experiences the proper setting and perfect wedding of masculine and feminine values propagated by the Church through tradition, one will not want to stay home on Sunday and watch football.
Father Mike help me always Topix that's also help me to come back to the church what I'm doing now I'm doing my my rosary from online I don't know it it's harder for me to learn I have a disability I used to be in special education classes take me longer to learn. I'm married to a Filipino we got married in the church she was 29 at that time Anaheim was 50. Now she's age 45 now I'm 66 and retired and I'm sure glad I made it back I went to the Parish Office see what I needed to do to get back
You guys start with 5 minutes of glorifying women, then you tell men basically that it's their problem and they need to "step up." And then you wonder why men don't like going to church! ... For a much better treatment of this subject, see Why Men Hate Going to Church, by David Murrow. You'll find interviews with Murrow on TH-cam as well. Bottom line: the church has become feminized. Worship has become feminized; liturgy has become feminized; the images of Jesus have become feminized; messages are geared mostly toward women (since that's the majority of the congregation), messages uplift women and tell men to "do better," etc.
Concerning being a leader/example for their children, what if the father (my husband) has passed away?😔 A little over a year ago, my husband passed away. My (9 & 12 yr old) boys & I entered into the Catholic Church this past Easter. I strive to do all I can, but I’m not Dad. As you mentioned in this podcast, nobody can ever replace a father. So, what if the father of young children has passed away?
In your case, it’s different. Your husband has passed. They’re talking about families where the husband is still alive but does not take charge of his family’s spiritual life. I’m sorry for your loss. You are now the one in charge of your family’s spiritual life. Just do the best that you can. Remember you can always rely on your church community for help as well. We are a church to hold but also to be held. You are not alone in this! ❤
I'm a single mom, convert of 5 years, to a 16 year old boy. His dad is completely absent and essentially always has been. I think having positive, strong relationships with men in your church community helps ( we have an active youth group at our parish with a few exceptional male leaders ). His grandfather (my dad ) is also a convert and that really helps. True that nothing can substitute a loving father... but we as their mothers, with the help of Jesus and all the Angel's and saints, can carry them through. We can remind and prepare them for their vocations in adulthood. We can pray together for other children who dont have fathers (either because of death, tragedy, divorce, choice) . We can pray for their father. And we can often remind them of the good qualities of their dad or how something they do/say reminds you of him.❤🙏
I used to like going but I’ve been losing interest and questioning everything. I often fear there is no real truth and that it’s just deep social programming. I really don’t know what to do at this point. I don’t relate to the pastor or generally what they’re saying
EFFEMINACY - a reluctance to suffer due to an attachment to pleasure (St. Thomas). Like St. Ignatius of Loyola, follow the perfect example - Christ The King. Sacrifice, the greatest love of all. Also if women in the last 50 years are starting to take over the offices traditionally reserved for men and priests only (handling the eucharist, women lectors) then that is a usurpation of authority given to men. That might’ve caused some loss of grace. It doesn’t help that the church has minimized fasting to 2 obligatory days a year, which is a necessity to salvation and conquering yourself and fighting laziness and maintaining Christian discipline. “The life of man on earth is warfare -Job. Just cut it out! To be a saint is to be a SOLDIER and fight for Christ. I am a weak, little lady but with my Carmelite spirituality, St. Teresa has inspired me to man up. Feelings don’t matter. It takes heroic virtue to be a saint. When I don’t want to wake up at my alarm, sometimes I wake up up as if I’m on fire. When I feel lazy to pray, I stay in prayer longer. I get on my knees everyday and beg God for the many graces I am in need of. When the devil sees me fighting and not giving in to his temptations and sees I want to be rightly ordered, I believe he starts to be scared because I refuse for him to conquer me, for the love of God. Then the more help and consolations God gives. Modernism might’ve brought in effeminacy into the church. It watered down the idea of - SACRIFICE.
Amen, I know people like to 'vent' but a lot of men in this video are blaming others except themselves. Society isn't forcing men not to go to church yet, men simply make a CHOICE not to go because of excuses.
#1. The church became lukewarm from weak leaders and in turn the faithful have mostly become lukewarm #2. Koombaya guitars and feminine songs during mass NON STOP. I can’t stand it. Orthodox mass? Beautiful with deep manly hymns and songsMay sound petty but it’s true. Why do you think Islam is growing so much? #3. When men kept their distance, females took over. Every church you walk into it’s mostly older women running the show and making the rules. The men need to take the churches back. Men lead women follow. Sorry, may sound like I’m a misogynist but that’s just the truth. Why are traditionalist Catholics growing and Koombaya churches closing? #4. NO BROTHERHOOD. Muslims are recruiting people everyday because the men build a bond at the mosk. Mostly first or second gen Arabs who have a strong family structure and when a person from a western family sees the other persons family bond they crave it. #5. Most young men I speak too tell me when they start going to a Bible study or church groups they feel there is already a fraternity there that have been together for a while and they don’t feel accepted by the group when they join. YOU ARE A CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN NOT A CHRISTIAN. Have some pride and honor and be accepting of your brothers. To what I know, Catholics don’t even have a database of Catholic business owners. Buy and sell with one another. Being Catholic is a lifestyle as well as a belief or faith. Why not LIVE it?
@@spaceman001e7 I believe this as well. I think the person who replied is just pointing out that at Latin Mass churches Men are much more prevalent which I would hold true as well
The reason that men are dominant in Islam is because Islam favors men at the expense of women. There are many well known Muslim scholars who have said that it is preferred if women stay in the home. In Islamic countries women are mostly barred from public life. But I guess Christians want to their countries to follow Islamic ones and remove women from public life.
1. Not only is the music banal, but much of it is keyed higher than men can comfortably sing. We are basically saloon/ shower singers , not trained singers. Music from the Protestant tradition is more singable and evokes more powerful images of divinity. 2. Women tend to be joiners. I have been running for 40 years. Guy runner to guy runner..how you doin. Gal runner to gal runner.. immediately firm a group called" sole sisters", matching scrunchies and shoe laces, and oh my gosh where did you find those shoes?. Same with church. Try to recruit for Knights of Columbus, good luck. Although I suspect the men get pushback because it is men only. I always ask the ladies, when can I join Delta Gamma sorority?
I have not attended the CC in over 40 years as i grew up with sporadic Catholic education and was basically told to shut my mouth, do what I am told and ask no questions. I see many churches as agents of shame and judgment and if was ever to reconnect with the Church, i expect to be judged and shamed. I love Jesus and will read God's Word, but as a man I get very little benefit or value from commitment to a Church.
Speaking for myself as a conservative Christian man, my turnoffs include the following: Unintelligible foreign accents, especially from Africa and the Philippines, no offense meant. It’s terribly frustrating to decipher their words; and THEN, when the baby/ babies cry, it’s over for me! I actually leave the church and return during the Creed. FYI: to hear a baby cry during the ENTIRE Mass is annoying to the congregants and rude to the priest who’s spent time preparing the homily. One more gripe: can the music composers begin writing for MALE voices? We do not sing soprano or ‘castrado!’ Thanks Gents for allowing us to comment. Again, no offense meant for anyone,
I get your feeling about the crying babies, believe me, I used to hate it. But after my reversion I realized that having crying babies in the church is better than no babies. If a church ain't cryin', it's dyin'. I blame the parents, if their baby is making way too much noise, it's time to take them outside or keep them in the cry room. Also, it could be a demonic temptation to irritate you so that you do leave the church. It's a suffering you could offer up, or talk to the priest about it in a humble way. The foreign accents can't be helped, but what you can do is look at the daily roman missal, it has all the readings of Year 1/2 and Years A,B,C. It can help you follow along. As for the hymns, I don't know what hymns are hard for you to sing, but when a really low hymn comes along I tend to sing an octave higher. Like for "Lead me Lord" you could sing in a bass octave voice. I wish more hymns can have gregorian chant but in English for novus ordo.
Part of the reason has to do with Christianity’s explanatory power, which keeps fading into the background with advances in science, scholarship, and anthropology. Evolutionary explanations for human behavior makes way more sense than the theological ones. Another reason is that the church loves to hold men accountable while not holding women accountable. The church expects men to lead in the home in a society and legal structure that strips men of authority in the home. It’s unworkable. Another reason is the message. It does nothing for a man to be told he’s wounded, weak, deserving of damnation, and that he can do nothing on his own, that he is dependent on God. It cripples the male spirit. This coming from a guy who considered seminary at one point, was a daily mass goer and street evangelizer. I’ve left the church and will not be returning. Life has been better since leaving, and to anyone reading this, I just ask you to truly consider alternative ways of thinking, I’d only so you are making your faith commitment based on better knowledge.
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Calling men cowards instead of really digging in isn’t going to help bring any men to church.
He did say men need to be asked. But, Jesus has already asked men. If men are not coming, it's not on anyone else but each man. No one should have to "dig in" for men to do what God expects them to do.
@@broco6608you confused, Church and Jesus are two different thing. What u said about Jesus and men is on point, but the issue in question is about the Church a physical legal entity and men. Men's issues are not being addresses by the Church and the Church is complaining its revenue is not growing as it should if it continue to Hope to still collect the mens resources but disregard half of tour customer base's concerns.
I bought my non religious wife her first Rosary , she received it well and confessed she always wanted to learn to pray
Thank you lord for showing her your love .
I was a fool , for years I held on to my knowledge and beliefs and allowed my children to grow up Godless, leaderless, and lost. My family is still young my son is 15 and my daughter 11 .
I started introducing them to Jesus and they are in love with him now , we are on our way to becoming Catholic .
Thank you Lord , you have shown me the light and I want to share it with the world ❤🙏✝️
What a miraculous and beautiful gift! I will be praying for your family and all family's on a journey through conversion . I will tell you that the journey of family conversion is a miracle and gift from God. What started as my father converting to the faith 7 ago has led to the conversion of my entire family : myself, my son,my sister , her husband , my neighbors and the baptism and confirmation of their 16yo grandson this Easter. (Not attributing this to my dad wholly, it was truly the Holy Spirit). But there is a special and Christ ordained role for a father and his children. May God bless you and keep you , your children and wife. 🙏❤
So great full that you discovered the full truth in the catholic church, mayGod bless you with many graces
Beautiful.
Similar to me. My children are 12 and 15. I'm Anglican and my wife is Japanese (so Buddhist/Shinto) and is committed to that but what troubles me is that she (like many women) is fascinated by star charts and tarot, the kinda stuff the Bible warned us against. I go to Church by myself (only recently returned after a long absence) but my children, especially my son is showing some curiosity about Christ.
Christ told the Disciples how to pray and there was no, man made Rosary involved. The Rosary is simply another example among many Pagan practices in the Catholic Church.
Honestly the fact that you guys had to gush in praise of women for five or so minutes before you felt comfortable enough to talk about men's issues is part of the problem
The worst part is they didn't even address mens issues with the church.
Yup, that's what I noticed too. Five minutes of simping about how wonderful women are, followed by telling men that they need to do better, "step up." Gee, I wonder why men are avoiding church...
This is true.
Yep, right off the bat. The irony... This is because the masculine men have been chased off so nobody has a spine anymore.
Yep, I stopped listening after 11 minutes. Don't need another sermon about another way in which I'm failing. I'm hard enough on myself; don't need these yayhoos piling on.
What a great time to have this talk.. Today is St. Joseph the worker and I want my husband to learn more as I am learning. We were away from the Catholic church and recently came back ❤🙏❤🙏❤
Me too I recently came back to the Church 10 years I've been going to mass every Sunday I've been back five months. And I know it's 100% my fault I'm praying one day my wife going to mass we are still married live in the same house but she feel hurt she was taking the kids to church without me
@Jonathan Goodwin We were with the Presbyterian Church for 15 years but I was born and raised Catholic because of my Mom and Grandmother..my Dad was Lutheran and he really was a great Dad he suffered from mental illness but I know at Peace and keep praying for my family. Don't give up keep strong in our Faith you are on the right track and your wife and children will follow . Pray to the Holy Family Jesus Christ, Blessed Mother Mary and St. Joseph along with all of us .I learned more now that I am 50 about our Catholic faith. I have been learning finding different Catholic priests on TH-cam. Father Chris Alar Marian priests brought me back has been about 3 months we have not missed so keep praying my husband I know struggling but I know God has a plan for him greater than we know. I will be praying for you. It brings years to my eyes when I see the families in Church together ❤️ tears of joy and pray we all come back to our Church that Jesus Christ started 🙏 Peace be with us all and for those that don't k own or lost there path like me.❤🙏❤
Welcome home!
I've been thinking about that lately and you got my point. Thank you!
Amen🥰🙏🏻💕
I'm having a tough time getting into the confessional. Have not been there for about 30 years. Now I'm back to the catholic church. And I am ashamed of my sins and I am a coward to go into confession. Please pray for me so that my hunger and believe for the eucharist surpasses my shame and cowardice
Pray for humility in front of the Blessed Sacrament. It’s what got me back
Just to let you know, we are praying for you. It took me 30 years also to get into the confessional and I know the feeling. Just know, Jesus ocean of mercy will be upon you and the feeling of knowing you're forgiven for all those sins will be like a ton of bricks off your back. Find a good priest, get a appointment, and know that Jesus is waiting for you right now to take that step.
Peace be with you. JMJ.
Pray, Our Lady will give you the strength and courage to go. Our Lord is waiting for you, waiting to spill His grace and mercy upon you. He knows your sins already, own up to them and you will feel weightless and free. It’s amazing and He is waiting for you. Know we are all praying for you.
Prayers for you and for us all!
Once you go through it you will wonder why you didn't go sooner.
Priest stands in for Jesus christ.
Nothing they haven't heard before.
Their are 2 ways usually that you can go into the confessional.
Face to face or
Private.
To this day I prefer the Private. Every church should offer those 2 ways.
If yours doesn't for some reason perhaps you can attend another church.
God will guide you. I will pray for you
Jesus christ tells us " be not afraid "
When I lived in Italy it was mainly older woman and I was one of the few men who attended... I told the Priest heaven must be filled with woman , he laughed.
The problem of the lack of men attending church is more prevalent in the Novus Ordo mass, but after attending the Traditional Latin Mass, I see a lot more men,especially younger men.
Amen great show! I was cradle catholic and away from the church for over 20 yrs. Focused on my career, money, cars etc...God got my attention in a dramatic way. Came back to church amazing wife who converted to catholicism from protestant denomination, while I was not religious or attending church. After God got my attention I came back, and found Catholic talk show. You guys opened up my eyes to how to love my faith and be a great catholic. Family is doing well, kids love church, I attend men's group, go to confession regularly, attend mass regularly. God has blessed me more than I could ever imagine along with my amazing wife, and kids. Godbless the Catholic talk show and all that you all do. One day I want to do an esto ver trip with you guys!!
My wife and I are cradle Catholics and we both lost a spouse to cancer.
While I never fell away, I was pretty lax in my faith. She and her husband on the other hand, both fell away.
On our tenth anniversary, we visited the Church of the Holy Cross in Sedona AZ.
She got the urge to go to Confession.
We both came away invigorated and excited about our future.
Thank you Jesus for everything you do for us!
I’ve visited the Holy across in Sedona and it’s such a beautiful and peaceful place to be.
Feminism, 50% failure of 1st marriages and 70-90% for 2nd marriages. I don't appreciate putting men down. Frankly, women are much to blame. I don't think men are given the credit due. Men have become soft and women are becoming manly. Men choose to leave because they are not wanted. Sad. The church needs to support men and understand what it's like out here.
A truly humble person looks from within and doesn't blame others for their life being hard.
Men today are weak and lukewarm, they don't want to carry the cross they inherited, they wanna complain, and stop going to church cause 'it's too feminine'... yeah well, when the majority of the church is women, it's because the men aren't there to make it masculine.
I can't believe that no one in the comments has even mentioned men's time management, and being over-extended in life as a reason for men not getting to church. Men are expected these days to take on even more responsibilities at home, whether his wife works or not, while still working full time. The church either treats men as wallets or free labor when we already get enough of that at home and at work during the week. The church needs to offer men something other than just another job and even more obligations than they already have. Even when we do every thing right the world is telling us its not enough and we just need to "Man Up". Now the church is saying the same thing and I think that's the problem. Holy Mother Church should not be a nag...
Fewer men are going to church for the same reason that fewer men are going to college. We have increasingly tried to elevate women, which is not always a bad thing, but we are suffering unintended consequences from that.
If women are taking over the rules that men used to have, where is the place for men?
Men also stopped having a sense of belonging at home as well.
The problem with feminism is that it elevates women by bringing men down.
So in reality, it doesn’t actually elevate women.
What roles has the Catholic Church ceded to women that frighten the men away?
Ego,lack of humility,denial,shame,and effeminate priests is what’s driving men away from Catholic Church and Mass
this but backwards.
the problem is:
a lack of ego or pride or inititive to do an acceptable and tolerable job,
so much humility there is no value or point in going
conciet -over promising and under delivering,
a lack of introspection or curiosity in engaging and interacting with men,
and a lack of any inciting sexual interest or and benefit to men in any way whatsoever,
is what is repelling men.
do some miracles, make your church a social club with social advancement opportunities, create private and play opportunities so that hobbiests join you, bestow by your discretion redemption and grace where they have none.
and drop the preaching stuff. no man wants to be lectured by people he deems inferior, let alone inadequate.
“There are not one hundred people in the United States who hate The Catholic Church, but there are millions who hate what they wrongly perceive the Catholic Church to be.” - Ven. Archbishop Fulton J. Sheen
Praying for all AMEN!!!
Glad of your show🇨🇮
I note, you neglected to provide, one misconception. I left the Roman Catholic Church 6 years ago and for Good Reason. Example: What gives the Priest the infallible Scriptural Power and Authority to, Forgive Sin in the Confessional?
@@jakehccc1, we believe that he has that ability, if you don't that's fine, but, please, stop taking our Faith away.
@@jimselimos4863 No one can take your Faith Away, except you. Salvation is a very serious issue, that needs serious thought. If you are not serious about it, enough to consider other opinions, then that isn't my problem but yours. The men on this show are making statements for which there is absolutely no evidence. They make statements full of presumptions. I'm a man and the church, I attend every Sunday is full of men, who came from the Catholic Church.
Because most NO parishes removed an emphasis of the SACRIFICE and DYING TO SELF and replaced it with an effeminate hand holding praise and worship service. We’ve also EMASCULATED the priesthood with alter girls countless Eucharistic minsters etc.
Great episode like always. I spent my 20s as a First Communion catechist and youth minister. Everyone kept saying you are a young men should be out partying and getting ladies, but I got deep into my faith. Right before my 30s I was blessed by meeting my wife and getting married. Now I have a toddler girl and another on the way and I am creating a Liturgical Living Home to raise them in. I cant do it on my own only by trusting the Lord and putting knees to the ground every day. God bless
Maybe they see it as a sign of weakness. When I see men in church I see it as a sign of strength and leadership.
What a powerful message from John. I completely identify with him. When he quoted St Luke "deny yourself, take up your cross, and follow Me", I was floored, because this was the Gospel passage that snapped my head around years ago. The power of God's forgiveness, healing, and redemption was on full display in this episode. I wish that everyone would understand the freedom of transparency, humility, and vulnerability which leads to healing. The first Commandment isn't about a golden calf. The question is, am I looking to "save face" (pride) and is that more important than accepting God's mercy? Thank you for airing this episode. It touched my heart. Glory to Jesus Christ!
I have to also say that one thing people don't want to hear about why men don't go to church as much anymore is that Church as far back as I know essentially became a Old Women's Club.
This is the topic of need in the Church. Men are suppose to be the Spiritual Leader of the family. I am a convert to Catholicism and I spent most of my time as a pew warmer. The Spiritual War has always been raging. "Apart from Me you can do nothing, Jesus said (John 15:5) He did not say. “you can’t do much” but, “you can do nothing” We are not made for comfort
When I was young, my father stayed at home watching football, and my mother took us children to Mass.
In my household I'm the one getting the children to attend Mass. If I don't go to Mass because I work overnight or I'm sick, my wife doesn't take the children. In my line of work, if my relief doesn't show up to work, I'm stuck at work for an additional 4 hours, which is a problem because I work 2nd shift on Saturdays.
I'm sorry to hear that, your wife is failing in her duties badly
@@FourKidsNoMoney maybe she's not a Catholic.
So refreshing and wonderful to hear the honesty and TRUE masculinity !!! As a woman I wonder also how the lies of the militant feminism energy in society have affected men and their feelings of inadequacy- those lies have definitely affected me as a woman being comfortable in my feminity . A dark energy for sure. Sharing with all of the males I know , thank you !!!
I recently found your channel. It’s been very educational and I find myself closer and closer to the catholic doctrine. Thank y’all
I really enjoyed listening to this episode and want to help my brothers restore their faith. Thank you! God bless you!
When attending a traditional latin church, i am always in awe of how its FULL of devout faithful MEN. The priests are retired cops and retired military. There are more men in rosary groups than women. What a refreshing breath of fresh air to be surrounded by men who accept their leadershio roles, so countercultural to the silly de-masculine vibe on social media.
Its been very inspiring for my protestant husband to experience a church where people take their faith zealously (women wear veils, kneeling for eucharist, etc). We love it. I think my spouse will convert soon.
As a woman, it's very encouraging to be married to a man who fears the Lord. I feel more protected and sanctified, and its much easier to submit.
wheres that?
Several churches in Florida
This is the best segment that you guys have ever put together.
I stumbled on this video today which is Father’s Day… I needed to hear this today I appreciate you all. You all are doing Gods work…Thank you
Men leave the Church for 2 reasons: The first is that the Church participates in the attack on the family. While the Church officially condemns the right things, you never hear it from the pulpit (birth control, sex, and so forth). This lack of conviction carries over to confession. If men confess some slight sexual offense, the priest tries to shame him rather than work it through with the person or counsel him. But you can't give what you don't have, and priests are completely mesmerized by sex. Men pick these things out rather quickly (within minutes). So the Church is seen as completely hopeless (provides no answers) by young men, and they are right too much of the time. The young men see the Church as a bunch of irrelevant hypocrites.
The second is that Church has abandoned logic. Again, in the official teaching, the Church has its right, but that doesn't carry into the pews. For example, an atheist asks a simple question about Thomas of Aquinas, and the archbishop responds, "I don't have that book" (Summa Theologica). You have to wonder whether the bishop has a Bible. Since it was very much in the public, I answered for the atheist, and I know I was right, but that made the bishop angry. That much laziness and ignorance is not going to inspire young men.
Hi. What do you mean by mesmerized by sex?
It's our job to bring God within the home. I'm new but I have no problem getting down on my knees to pray.
Great show. I've been praying to bring my husband back to the church and for guidance to do that. Tonight, I decided to have a talk with my "conversion" resistant man, but felt uncertain. You dropped this episode. Five hours later I find it, watch it, and, crying, pray that God grace me to open my husband's heart. We will have that talk. I will share this episode and podcast. Please pray with me that he returns to the faith.
P.S. Favorite part - Fr. Rich smiling pure delight listening to the powerful, inspiring witness unfolding in front of him. God bless you all!
This episode has inspired me to fervently pray for the men both in and out of the church. On Good Shepherd sunday we were reminded by my priest to pray for vocations : to the priesthood but also in marriage.
Ps- when I went through RCIA there was a lovely older couple, the husband jewish, had been attending mass for 20 years and never converted. He finally did. My father, who was a dedicated anti catholic, went through RCIA three times before his conversion.. he now goes to daily mass and leads tours on the church grounds. 🙏❤
Our conversions to the faith begin but our lives continue a path of daily conversion and dedication to Christ. 🙏🙏❤
@@katrinagiovanni891 prayers for you and for us Amen
We both go regularly. It helps us start a new week, whatever is going on in our lives
I thought this was going to go in a different direction. I thought they were going to talk about the reason men started to stop going to Mass 50yrs ago...I know that these guys don't have a lot of love for the traditional form of Mass, but the walk away from that and the walk away from masculinity in the church and the Mass, is the reason men stopped going. Men should have a prominent role of the celebration of Mass, and that was stopped. We know why, lets not pretend like there haven't been terrible consequences of it. We need to nurture that tradition and reverence back into the church, that's where all the young people are.
trads always like to say that they have the youth, my brother in Christ, go look at any hispanic community, and you will see their churchs overflowing and kids, there is literally a quinceneria at my church week.
every week
@JoseSantos-dk6nw so the West, which is obviously where we have seen this issue, is where I'm talking about. So yes, I am correct, I'm not really sure why you commented, but I'll take it in good faith and assume you just didn't know what I was talking about. But yes, Traditional communities are overflowing, while the newer form parishes are dying. Also, not every community/country has high numbers of Hispanic, so a very odd example for you to say.
Yeah when it went on a 20 minute pity party about the one guy’s addiction issues I knew this podcast wasn’t going to cover the ACTUAL reason men abandoned the church.
This is one of the most powerful episodes I’ve seen. This is is amazing.
I quit attending services years ago. Due to a host of issues but I’ve never lost my faith.
For men who want to be involved in something like this who don't have a group available, or want to start something like these men's groups in your parish but don't know how, if for some reason the program they talk about here isn't feasible, look for or into the Knights of Columbus. They just started a chapter at my parish and I learned how different they are than what I thought. (it's NOT a bunch of old guys with swords!) The monthly meeting starts with beers and food, then moves to business, but we have had recreational events, fun outings, and more. Even if it's not at your parish you'll be welcomed.
excellent! I'm taking my 4th degree in a couple weeks & have been a Knight for 12(?) yrs
Every third Friday of the month I go to the Bible study for men at the Catholic Church and that helps me also what helps me a listen to father Mike Bible in a year
Boom. Two minutes in and man shaming. Question asked question answered.
Thanks @Musanga HTC for sharing. ❤A great talk.
I’m a Christian just not Catholic. Love this channel.
Anglican, gonna stick with it but I do enjoy your show (18 years married)
Maybe I'm Catholic curious.
David...swimming the Tiber is not that difficult... Retired Anglican Priest here who took the plunge seriously 7 years ago...the only downside is the music...wimpy, syrupy OCP songs at my parish, but great fellowship around the Eucharist!
@@thomasanderson2594Fellowship? Wow which country has Fellowship after mass? Not here....one reason many go to modern churches
What helped me when I came back to the church Parish Office the woman that was working there listening Catholics coming home. It was a really awesome testimonies.
My Dad brought us to church. My mother never went because she was a divorced woman and the priest at the time told my Dad not to marry her. She was the love of his life. So my influence was my father. He's gone now. It's him i think of when i go to church. I'm the worst Catholic in the world, but I'm Catholic.
We all make mistakes. I made a huge mistake left the church what do the Baptist Church that I was brought up in my wife was stuck with the kids taking them to Mass without me while I was at the Baptist Church. That was a biggest mistake of my life I go to mass every Sunday I've been back five months. Now my wife doesn't go she feels hurt that I didn't go with her kids were babies but the bait but they were all baptized babies. I wish I would have learned my lesson back then but I wasn't raised Catholic I did not know the church teachings back then even though I had taken all the classes that was no excuse what I did still married to my wife we live in the same house she loves me but she's not ready yet hoping someday we will go with a family to Mass
That's really sad. I was a very lukewarm Catholic for 28 years. I had no clue what my identity was, I was absolutey ignorant of the faith and liturgy. Once anxiety hit me out of nowhere, I started researching the faith and prayed 4 rosaries a day because I was scared of falling back into my dark sins and horrible anxiety and insomnia. I watch sensus fidelium and other Catholic channels. I also sought out a TLM fssp mass. Loved it.
Awesome theme and this men group badly needed for the family🙏
Hi Fr Rich, Ryan D, Ryan S. and John...God bless you all
You guys need to get Jessie Romero on your podcast 🙏🏻 may you guys continue blessing our minds with your knowledge for many more years amen
This was so great! Thank you gentlemen for living the faith and sharing!
Going to Israel with John next week! Looking forward to it ❤pray for us.
I’m so glad the Lord led me to your channel and this video, in particular. I believe that Christ is calling men in the church to unite for the purpose of challenging and encouraging each other to follow Him at all costs and to lead our families, parishes and communities.
This is a great video, and all four of you are to be
commended for your honesty and willingness to share your struggles and the way you help each other to fight the good fight. My one and only criticism, if I may be so bold, is with the Bobble head Jesus and saints on the table. I understand the thought behind it. It’s kind of disarming and communicates to the viewer that you guys are everyday guys with a sense of humor etc…. For me, personally, with everything happening in our world, i just think that we as Catholics and Christians, should do everything in our power to present Christ with all the honor He is due and with a sobriety of thought that leads others to take us and Him seriously. Please take that for what it’s worth and thank you again for what you are doing. God bless!
Kinda being associated with a mob that abused kids isn't something I'd ever want do
I love all of minute 24:00!
Don’t worry brothers, I go to church 🙏🏽💪🏽
I love listening to you all about the faith. I am a cradle Catholic and have attended both Catholic grade and high schools, but am still learning more about my faith from shows like yours on you tube. Why isn’t the Catechism of the Catholic Church spoken about in the Sunday sermon? Thank you for your insights and knowledge of the faith. I usually watch your show on my television, so cannot leave comments, but I always try to remember to press the ‘like button’. Thank you again!!
My father never would go this topic is very interesting.
You can't go through life without a compass. Men should realize that faith is the only compass and if you know the direction others will follow, especially your own kids.
I will tell you why I do not care to go: For my first 17 years of life my mother forced me to go to church with them every Sunday. I had no choice but to go. When I was a little kid I did not mind so much but as I got into my later teens I very much disliked being forced to go when I had a driver's license and a car and I could not go do what I wanted but was forced to go to Church so that my mother could prove to everyone what a good person she was having her kids in church with her. Anyway, after I turned 18 my dad, bless his heart, convinced her that it should be my decision from then and after that, I went decades without going again. I did start after I got married to please my husband on occasion, but I did not go because I wanted to go but only because she wanted me to be there. Too many millions of people go to church just to be seen there by others and that's not me. I know there is a God in Heaven and I know that Jesus died for me. To me, that is plenty good enough.
If you have humility you'll answer this honestly. What if Jesus commanded that we keep Holy the Sabbath day? That means we go to mass every weekend either during the Vigil or Sunday. And that every time you don't go, you're rejecting Jesus everytime you sin badly. Jesus died for you, but are you willing to love and serve him? Or are you just gonna lukewarm your way through life thinking you're going to Heaven doing the bare minimum or mediocre way?
I used to just go to church to please the parents, then I went to church because I wanted to go to Heaven, not knowing that I was on the road to hell because I treated Jesus like an atm. I did not really love him in life nor did I love others, or spend time with Jesus. No one gets into Heaven the lazy convenient way. If Jesus tells ya to do something, you do it. Or you could be like the devil and say, "I will not serve!"
Practicing what is expected to live a life in the Christian religion is actually quite difficult. People can find themselves feeling quite guilty about their failure to perform. At the same time making a living in a fast changing economy and dealing with the changing issues family face has been getting more complex. Media increasingly accentuates all of this today to an almost inescapable extent. Something(s) give way. Not being confronted with one’s religious shortcomings can be a stress reducer.
51:00 i wish more of these groups existed. NOTHING happens like this in our parish. People are so busy with kids sports and activities. 😢
Hmmm, I’ve not had the opportunity to listen to the whole podcast but I can tell you having moved to the TLM the Men are the ones that lead the rosary before mass, dressed with suit coats , leading their families and the parish is growing! #sspx
The men at our chapel also step up to serve Mass if there are not enough boys available.
Thank you for this excellent episode! I found it very informative as a woman to hear this perspective. Gave me & my husband some good stuff to talk about too.
Men sacrifice for what inspires them. If the Church doesn't inspire sacrifice, men will tolerate it at best. Most churches today don't preach Christ Our Lord, but "Boyfriend Jesus" who will give you a cuddle, a pat on the head, and tell you everything will be alright. That works wonders for women, but it drives men away and doesn't inspire them. When churches return to preaching a Christ who truly inspires sacrifice, the men will find their way back.
Another great episode. I am looking forward to meeting John at the Catholic Men Leadership Alliance’s retreat in Malvern PA. Ready to jump into the breech! God bless.
Loved this episode!
I'm a convert from protestantism to Catholicism and I attend a Traditional Latin Mass. To me, the TLM feels more masculine, serious, and militant than any type of worship I've experienced at other types of churches or sects. I feel like I'm on the front lines of spiritual warfare with my fellow parishioners, and we are winning against evil, because our Lord has already won.
Bring back traditional Roman Catholicism
Happy to have happened upon this show! Thanks guys! Hubby was a GREAT provider, but….our relationship and family could have gone to an even higher, higher level, he’s gone now, and I’m missing what could have been.
The men do go to church. They are at the Traditional Latin Mass.
B/C most liturgies are soft and effeminate
And priests don't properly preach on Ephesians 5
Good topic!
Love this podcast. Currently involved with SSPX and looking to build up the faith for young men.
Im Catholic, but in Asia. So, I admire more going to temple and practicing kung fu, meditating etc. The monks are great.
In Catholic, I don't know... Priests and acolyte wear skirts and the culture in general is somewhat effiminate. It is in fact female dominated.
I prefer the Buddhist temple.
Wife isn't Catholic. The observation I've made is the Mass I go to is like visiting a retirement home. It's packed but everyone is over 70 practically; whereas when I go to a non denominational service with her there's lots of families and young people.
Try the Traditional Latin Mass, many young families......
@@DJPTEXAS there aren't any within driving distance of where I live....
@Troll Patrol thank you, i m, also, trying to do that.
Love this Father Pagano I trust in you ✝️❤️🕊️
For several years now, I have refused to say, "I'm fine," in answer to the question, "How are you?" I just don't like that social lie. So I say, "I'm vertical." I think I had started to say that when I was going through a rough personal spot. But it still serves me well.
Because hippy priests made it super fem with terrible music and flowers and felt everywhere
Duh
You are spot on. Exactly.. and that is why lots of men attend the TLM.
more like modern men are effeminate and cant carry the weight of faith and sacrifice on behalf of others...
ps - i am a guy
Thank God ☺️🙏 everyone 🌮
The liturgy is a big reason that men do not attend mass.
Men want to be heroes and respond to challenges and calls for action.
Unfortunately the new mass is feminised and is more comforting and nurturing. This appeals to women but not men.
Men do not respond to the Novus Ordo well (generally speaking). Men need the discipline and masculinity in the liturgy. They need to be challenged and made to feel like a man.
I've been to both NO and TLM many times on 3 different continents. The story is always the same.
Great video guys thank you!
Masculinity in the Mass?
@@theoccasionalvideo Yes.
Love this! I have observed that it is mostly men who didn’t attend. Dad, uncle, etc. I’d love to know why, as I am raising a little boy. ❤
My case was a little different at the beginning we would go as a family to the Catholic Church. I was a convert got baptized 1979 at that time I was aged 22 the ones that helped me get in their Church for classmates of mine in high school then I didn't go as much cuz I made some mistakes got into drugs. Then I met my wife she's from the Philippines she was aged 29 I was age 50 when we got married in the Catholic Church first we had a civil wedding and after that we got married by a priest in the Catholic Church. The reason we did it that way ins was trying to send my wife panty the Philippines that's why we did the Civil wedding first. We started going to the Catholic Church and the family and before we did the wedding I had to do confessions fill out the paperwork for the wedding in the Catholic Church. My wife was the one that started taking the kids to Mass for a while because I went back to the Baptist Church the way I was raised eventually at age 66 I came back to Church started going to mass by this time my wife doesn't want to go she felt hurt I wasn't going with her when I was going to the Baptist Church the hundred percent my fault. I want all my children to go but they want to stay home play on the cell phones cell phones they like playing games but everyone of my children baptized when they were baby. I took the classes over again took the classes over again I didn't know what I believed did not know the Eucharist was it presents Jesus Christ body and blood. I thought we worship Mary thought we worship Mary but we don't we honor her where I got that idea I don't know. What got me to come back was father Mike that I listen to on TH-cam I also listen to for the rich Catholic Talk show. Family friend of they are Catholic they lost their dad that got me to think about it That Could Have Been Me and I would not have been ready to meet the Lord.
And also I think things would have been different if my parents raised me a Catholic stead of Baptist. Then I would not have had these problems wanted to go to other churches but I thank God I made it back I've been back for five months now fortunately me and my wife have two close friends from the Philippines and they're trying to help for we're all going back to mask again and I called him I text both of them cuz I have still have a lot of questions what the church believes it's like I am learning over and I had no idea that Catholic Church wrote the Bible I had learned that over because when I was going to the Baptist Church they said they will to Bible from all the way to the apostles and I found out that's not even true my faith is getting stronger and stronger find me the all the lies I was told and the Baptist Church. But now I really enjoy going to the Mass listen to the priest and partaking of the Eucharist and I'll make it happen once a month to my confessions confessions
Since I came back to the Catholic Church I go to mass every Sunday and during the week I will listen to father Mike Bible in a year. Also when I'm driving 1620 Catholic station. I was gone for 10 years and I made it back because of father Mike all his topics
@@jonathangoodwin646 hi Jonathan! I’d like to recommend Catechism in a Year with Fr. Mike Schmitz on YT. It is excellent! I am a cradle Catholic & I am learning so much!🙏
Don't know, Abi L, i pray that we will find out, soon or in the Afterlife.
God bless you all. 🙏🙏🙏🙏
6:52 that's because children know that a man's buy in means way more than a woman's.
If that offends you...well...time to grow up.
"'True strength lies in vulnerability". Fantastic episode. Thank You!
This video is why men have stopped going, and will continue to quit. I can read and study and pray on my own, we all can, without being condescended too and being “cowardly”. A lot of churches are just like every single other institution now. A lot of guys are going to convert to orthodox or Islam I bet.
Islam is exploding along with Orthodox church because they don't worship women
In my church (EO) it’s the opposite. It’s hard to get many of the women to come, but I see the husbands show up every week.
Does anyone know where I can find a Men's Ministry like this in Phoenix, AZ? I very much in need of this type of thing in my life right now.
Also the other thing when I went through the classes on the Catholic Church I didn't know but I believed but I did go for the classes classes but when I came back to the Catholic Church I took the classes over again online now I understand better and I did not know Eucharist was it presents a Jesus Christ body and blood I did not know that I thought it was a symbol
I think why younger men in there 20's dont go to church is some are caught up in drinking and partying. It happenned to me, I had faith but cared more about having fun. After a while your friends move on that your partied with but God never left me.
The masculine qualities of the Faith are alive and well in Holy Tradition and it is imperative that the Church revive and embrace them. Unfortunately, many qualities of modern parishes are an obstacle to discovering them, from music choice, to artwork choice in the church, to the orientation of the altar, to the placement of the tabernacle, to the casual distribution of Holy Communion via extraordinary ministers, to the lackadaisical recitation of Holy Scripture by lay people, to the bearing of the gifts, etc. Once one experiences the proper setting and perfect wedding of masculine and feminine values propagated by the Church through tradition, one will not want to stay home on Sunday and watch football.
Or women could leave Catholicism all together since it’s clear they are not wanted.
Glory to God
Men have not abandoned the church, the church abandoned men. Maybe the leadership of the church should listen to Matthew 18:6.
Father Mike help me always Topix that's also help me to come back to the church what I'm doing now I'm doing my my rosary from online I don't know it it's harder for me to learn I have a disability I used to be in special education classes take me longer to learn. I'm married to a Filipino we got married in the church she was 29 at that time Anaheim was 50. Now she's age 45 now I'm 66 and retired and I'm sure glad I made it back I went to the Parish Office see what I needed to do to get back
No matter what people say and no matter how much people try to convince me to come back to Church, I'll never return. I'm done with it
You guys start with 5 minutes of glorifying women, then you tell men basically that it's their problem and they need to "step up." And then you wonder why men don't like going to church! ... For a much better treatment of this subject, see Why Men Hate Going to Church, by David Murrow. You'll find interviews with Murrow on TH-cam as well. Bottom line: the church has become feminized. Worship has become feminized; liturgy has become feminized; the images of Jesus have become feminized; messages are geared mostly toward women (since that's the majority of the congregation), messages uplift women and tell men to "do better," etc.
Concerning being a leader/example for their children, what if the father (my husband) has passed away?😔 A little over a year ago, my husband passed away. My (9 & 12 yr old) boys & I entered into the Catholic Church this past Easter. I strive to do all I can, but I’m not Dad. As you mentioned in this podcast, nobody can ever replace a father. So, what if the father of young children has passed away?
In your case, it’s different. Your husband has passed. They’re talking about families where the husband is still alive but does not take charge of his family’s spiritual life. I’m sorry for your loss. You are now the one in charge of your family’s spiritual life. Just do the best that you can. Remember you can always rely on your church community for help as well. We are a church to hold but also to be held. You are not alone in this! ❤
@@ntmn8444 thank you for your response and for this reassurance. I really appreciate it.
I'm a single mom, convert of 5 years, to a 16 year old boy. His dad is completely absent and essentially always has been. I think having positive, strong relationships with men in your church community helps ( we have an active youth group at our parish with a few exceptional male leaders ). His grandfather (my dad ) is also a convert and that really helps. True that nothing can substitute a loving father... but we as their mothers, with the help of Jesus and all the Angel's and saints, can carry them through. We can remind and prepare them for their vocations in adulthood. We can pray together for other children who dont have fathers (either because of death, tragedy, divorce, choice) . We can pray for their father. And we can often remind them of the good qualities of their dad or how something they do/say reminds you of him.❤🙏
I used to like going but I’ve been losing interest and questioning everything. I often fear there is no real truth and that it’s just deep social programming. I really don’t know what to do at this point. I don’t relate to the pastor or generally what they’re saying
EFFEMINACY - a reluctance to suffer due to an attachment to pleasure (St. Thomas). Like St. Ignatius of Loyola, follow the perfect example - Christ The King. Sacrifice, the greatest love of all. Also if women in the last 50 years are starting to take over the offices traditionally reserved for men and priests only (handling the eucharist, women lectors) then that is a usurpation of authority given to men. That might’ve caused some loss of grace. It doesn’t help that the church has minimized fasting to 2 obligatory days a year, which is a necessity to salvation and conquering yourself and fighting laziness and maintaining Christian discipline. “The life of man on earth is warfare -Job. Just cut it out! To be a saint is to be a SOLDIER and fight for Christ. I am a weak, little lady but with my Carmelite spirituality, St. Teresa has inspired me to man up. Feelings don’t matter. It takes heroic virtue to be a saint. When I don’t want to wake up at my alarm, sometimes I wake up up as if I’m on fire. When I feel lazy to pray, I stay in prayer longer. I get on my knees everyday and beg God for the many graces I am in need of. When the devil sees me fighting and not giving in to his temptations and sees I want to be rightly ordered, I believe he starts to be scared because I refuse for him to conquer me, for the love of God. Then the more help and consolations God gives. Modernism might’ve brought in effeminacy into the church. It watered down the idea of - SACRIFICE.
Spot on. Jesus said, when you fast, when you give alms, not if
Amen, I know people like to 'vent' but a lot of men in this video are blaming others except themselves. Society isn't forcing men not to go to church yet, men simply make a CHOICE not to go because of excuses.
What day is this show live
#1. The church became lukewarm from weak leaders and in turn the faithful have mostly become lukewarm
#2. Koombaya guitars and feminine songs during mass NON STOP. I can’t stand it. Orthodox mass? Beautiful with deep manly hymns and songsMay sound petty but it’s true. Why do you think Islam is growing so much?
#3. When men kept their distance, females took over. Every church you walk into it’s mostly older women running the show and making the rules. The men need to take the churches back. Men lead women follow. Sorry, may sound like I’m a misogynist but that’s just the truth. Why are traditionalist Catholics growing and Koombaya churches closing?
#4. NO BROTHERHOOD. Muslims are recruiting people everyday because the men build a bond at the mosk. Mostly first or second gen Arabs who have a strong family structure and when a person from a western family sees the other persons family bond they crave it.
#5. Most young men I speak too tell me when they start going to a Bible study or church groups they feel there is already a fraternity there that have been together for a while and they don’t feel accepted by the group when they join.
YOU ARE A CATHOLIC CHRISTIAN NOT A CHRISTIAN. Have some pride and honor and be accepting of your brothers. To what I know, Catholics don’t even have a database of Catholic business owners. Buy and sell with one another. Being Catholic is a lifestyle as well as a belief or faith. Why not LIVE it?
Oh my, you have it... spot on. That's why there are heaps of men at the TLM. Well said.
You don’t need TLM to attract youth and men. A novus ordo that has reverence, good music, and orthodox priest, will keep them
@@spaceman001e7 I believe this as well. I think the person who replied is just pointing out that at Latin Mass churches Men are much more prevalent which I would hold true as well
The reason that men are dominant in Islam is because Islam favors men at the expense of women. There are many well known Muslim scholars who have said that it is preferred if women stay in the home. In Islamic countries women are mostly barred from public life. But I guess Christians want to their countries to follow Islamic ones and remove women from public life.
1. Not only is the music banal, but much of it is keyed higher than men can comfortably sing. We are basically saloon/ shower singers , not trained singers. Music from the Protestant tradition is more singable and evokes more powerful images of divinity.
2. Women tend to be joiners. I have been running for 40 years. Guy runner to guy runner..how you doin.
Gal runner to gal runner.. immediately firm a group called" sole sisters", matching scrunchies and shoe laces, and oh my gosh where did you find those shoes?. Same with church. Try to recruit for Knights of Columbus, good luck. Although I suspect the men get pushback because it is men only. I always ask the ladies, when can I join Delta Gamma sorority?
I have not attended the CC in over 40 years as i grew up with sporadic Catholic education and was basically told to shut my mouth, do what I am told and ask no questions. I see many churches as agents of shame and judgment and if was ever to reconnect with the Church, i expect to be judged and shamed. I love Jesus and will read God's Word, but as a man I get very little benefit or value from commitment to a Church.
Speaking for myself as a conservative Christian man, my turnoffs include the following:
Unintelligible foreign accents, especially from Africa and the Philippines, no offense meant.
It’s terribly frustrating to decipher their words; and THEN, when the baby/ babies cry, it’s over for me! I actually leave the church and return during the Creed.
FYI: to hear a baby cry during the ENTIRE Mass is annoying to the congregants and rude to the priest who’s spent time preparing the homily.
One more gripe: can the music composers begin writing for MALE voices? We do not sing soprano or ‘castrado!’
Thanks Gents for allowing us to comment. Again, no offense meant for anyone,
I get your feeling about the crying babies, believe me, I used to hate it. But after my reversion I realized that having crying babies in the church is better than no babies. If a church ain't cryin', it's dyin'. I blame the parents, if their baby is making way too much noise, it's time to take them outside or keep them in the cry room. Also, it could be a demonic temptation to irritate you so that you do leave the church.
It's a suffering you could offer up, or talk to the priest about it in a humble way.
The foreign accents can't be helped, but what you can do is look at the daily roman missal, it has all the readings of Year 1/2 and Years A,B,C. It can help you follow along.
As for the hymns, I don't know what hymns are hard for you to sing, but when a really low hymn comes along I tend to sing an octave higher. Like for "Lead me Lord" you could sing in a bass octave voice. I wish more hymns can have gregorian chant but in English for novus ordo.
@@catholicfemininity2126 wow, thanks Dear for another viewpoint, never realized this! But yes, it’s not the babies but the parents-cry room helps.
The faithful need to pray and fast that the Holy Spirit will revive this generation to follow Christ unto death.
Part of the reason has to do with Christianity’s explanatory power, which keeps fading into the background with advances in science, scholarship, and anthropology. Evolutionary explanations for human behavior makes way more sense than the theological ones.
Another reason is that the church loves to hold men accountable while not holding women accountable. The church expects men to lead in the home in a society and legal structure that strips men of authority in the home. It’s unworkable.
Another reason is the message. It does nothing for a man to be told he’s wounded, weak, deserving of damnation, and that he can do nothing on his own, that he is dependent on God. It cripples the male spirit.
This coming from a guy who considered seminary at one point, was a daily mass goer and street evangelizer. I’ve left the church and will not be returning. Life has been better since leaving, and to anyone reading this, I just ask you to truly consider alternative ways of thinking, I’d only so you are making your faith commitment based on better knowledge.