EPIC Whacker Compactor Repower: Honda To Briggs
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- In "No Maintenance Required", Anthony finds out the hard way that doing no maintenance to his equipment comes at a price. After the intro and before the ending, Taryl goes over what it takes to swap out a Honda engine from this Whacker compactor over to a new Briggs and Stratton 6.5 hp Vanguard engine. Taryl has the know-how to get the job done right. So sit back, laugh, and you just might learn a thing or two! Now there's your dinner!!
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I see there’s a lot of back and forth on quality matters between the Honda and Briggs. Don’t get me wrong, I like Honda engines, very reliable for many years, but Honda has NOT made ANY improvements to that engine, or addressed the common issues it was having. On both Vanguard repower videos we’ve now done, both customers are more than satisfied with the Vanguard. Especially with the fact it warms up quick (Honda does NOT), the air filter plugging up often, and also the fuel getting into the gas. In my 40+ years of experience in this field, there’s always a company on top for awhile then someone else slips in for awhile so on and so forth. It’s a very competitive market. Like anything. It’s your job as a consumer to keep yourself informed and not just blindly stand behind something that isn’t what it used to be. And There, my friends, is a banquet Dinner. Thanks fer watchin.
I remember when the Kohler K series were the best
When you're an international company like Honda making billions every year on parts, the old leadership in the company sticks to the old gravy train. The engineers do what they're told. Not talk about what they could improve.
Briggs has come a long way from the old L-head 5hp (with the hard to get to carb bolts) to what they offer today. Being a dealer for over 40yrs, I like brands that have good parts and warranty support, and Briggs has that.
Your comment says getting fuel into the gas, don't you mean get gas into the oil or oil into the gas?
@@somone1519 When a carburetor needle and seat don't seal, fuel overfills and can drain into the intake, and fall into the oil sump, diluting the oil until the engine is worn enough not to run.
I picked this video because is the earliest you have, and because it has the least amount of comments...hoping you read it. I just want to give you my most immense gratitude on these videos. You really are a huge help when it comes to DIY's like my self. You are like that teacher we all wish we had around the corner to ask for help and guidance. I wish i could shake your hand and personally thank you for your comedic and witty lectures that makes me actually want to put attention. From the bottom of my lil mexican heart...and all the way from Escondido California...THANK YOU very much.
P.S.(thx to "camera man" for his great focus of picture and detail.)
I came back to thank you for helping me with my John deere D100 rider ...No crank ,had tested everything ,but never thought of blade engagement lever .. Safety switch was not lined up with lever ... I was happy as hell... I need that machine running I have some acreage . Thanks alot !!!!!!!!!!!!!
Usually my problem is a loose nut at the wheel
Was surprised at the similarity of those two units. Will keep that in mind. Great shots from the cat-cam too😆
Cool That the B&S fit right on there....It is sad that their are people who treat their lawn mowers like that and then think it's the manufacturer's fault
Great job Buddy! Wow, first pull, awesome 👏
Great job. People probably think Anthony is funny.... And they're right, Anthony is funny. However, Anthony is not a fictional character. Anthony is everywhere..... If you are a Tech, in any kind of industry... You have run into Anthony many times....
Hey taryl, I'm having issues with my 3.5hp Briggs and stratton horizontal shaft engine. It only runs wide open, won't idle at all. Has the vacuum style carb I think, where the gas tank is bolted directly to the bottom of the carb. Also does not have a choke. I tried cleaning it and it still acted the same.
Great video. love the channel, hoping to see the jeep back in a few vids.
Nice cat Taryl!
Is that 100 John deere in back around yours or customers??
Lol epic
briggs has to be a sponsor of the show because there is no way these are better than hondas.
i will take a brigg any day over a honda
That was probably true a few years ago.
Have you run a Vanguard?
@@cincinnaticj7 lmfao, Ive brought over 100 of them to the junkyards over the years. Overheating, valve guides walking down on EVERY ONE. And now just now they come out with a "new" vanguard that strangely resembles a HONDA CLONE?!.... Briggs have always been trash and for some reason every machine that comes through this shop thats a honda always needs basic maintenance. Very few hondas have come through these bay doors not fixable or perfectly fine.
@@Hammerjockeyrepair vanguard r Briggs best engine.... your thinking of the Intec guides moving and that from lack of cleaning out under the shrouds... Honda have plastic cam gears . Honda r. Junk ... I never had a problem with any my Briggs motors and I have about 10 of them .. so get. Ur fact rite!
The Honda is probably not a ic engine
it was a GX160 most likely.. which is the industrial grade engine.. for him to say this vanguard engine is better is just more proof he is selling out.. briggs must be padding his wallet pretty good? that briggs vanguard is basically a Honda clone..
What Briggs did was took allllll the weak points to that Honda engine, and improved on it. All the issues the customer was having with the Honda engine were all the improvements that Briggs made. One was the plugging up of the air filter, another the long warm up time (running the motor on half choke for 5 mins) and adding that integrated engine stop/fuel shutoff to keep the gas from entering the crank case. Briggs is so confident of this engine they give you a 3 year warranty (even under commercial use). As far as being a “sellout”, we are a Briggs dealer not Honda. Still waiting on that large check from Briggs that I don’t see coming anytime soon. Thanks fer watching. Now There’s Your Dinner!!
Do more anthony skits, he’s funny😂
"It went from a straight shaft to a curved shaft trimmer"😆 I know too many people like "Anthony".
great engine swap video. as for the pesky customer wanting everything for nothing. I have dealt with a few myself. just move along.
Thanks for the videos guys, and keep up the good work! I'm glad there are still some real small engine guys out there. Most just keep throwing parts at a problem, instead of actually diagnosing and actually fixing the stuff.!!!
Rock On!!!!
It never failed to amaze me how true that skit shows how the average OPE owner never does required maintenance .
I remember many a mower coming in with little oil left in the crankcase and what was looked like tar or the air filter was completely plugged !!
Excellent swap video. Briggs has slowly been transitioning production of the Vanguard line from Diahatsu in Japan to Briggs facilities in the USA. Just hope the quality doesn't end up going downhill.
Parts are now being made in China and assembled in the USA. Screw Communist China 🇨🇳. Anytime that I can avoid buying anything from them I do. That’s not an easy task but I still try. I don’t mind buying from free countries like Japan, Germany, or S. Korea but I’m not supporting Communists if I can avoid it.
Diahatsu makes excellent gas engines but their compact diesels suck.
That vanguard is a nice looking engine
What did the air filter look like? I'm thinking that since it's covered with cement dust...another possibility would be that the air filter had a hole or didn't seal well, letting lots of concrete dust into the engine which is absolutely like sand paper to the cylinder bore... Or, maybe it had a paper air filter and the air filter got wet and disintegrated? I was always under the impression that the Honda's were bulletproof? What make the Briggs a better engine?
My customers do this all the time to me finally someone feels my pain 😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😆😄😁
Had raced Husqvarna dirt bikes...best
Some Brigg s I have are twenty years old still good. Close to Honda.
These compactor run in cloud of dust and raw gas.
the oy time they get oil changed is when they falloff truck
now I know why they come with a roll bar!
I love this one the best.
"Everything is junk nowadays! It's all made of Chinesium and Chinesium is crap!"
So, what about your TV and smart phone? Aren't they made in China?
"Oh, that stuff is great! I think it's made of some special space-age material! Chinesium, I think it is!"
I generally agree with what you're saying but a lot of stuff coming out of Taiwan these days is pretty high-quality not nearly so much with China still.
This happens so much with these plate tamps. If you don’t use water while using these machines they will generate a lot of dust. Guarantee that machine’s air filter got clogged with dust that the guys using most likely removed the filter. This will destroy the piston rings and eat at the cylinder walls. Combined with your original diagnosis of oil and gas mix then add dust.
Ask any equipment rental place, these machines are often returned with the air filter that has been removed or tampered with.
Your the only guy I no who can kick a box down the hill and get It rolling. Like a rolling stone.
Awesome video again!!!! Thanks Taryl! Aint nothin you guys cant fix!!! 🍺🍺
thats a really nice engine, nice to see honda has a competitor now, GX engines used to be really good it seems in recent years the quality has gone to shit. maybe now they will come back to making good engines again.
I too have a Wacker WP1540 plate compactor. I am aware of the dust getting into the engine via the carberator. So, I always make a point of xleaning and if needed, replacing the air filter. However, if I eventually will need to replace my Honda 6.5HP engine, I will certainly watch tjhis video again
Being that that unit works in a dirty environment could it be possible it was sucking in dirt/concrete dust to wear out the cylinder wall ? How many people using small engines on construction sites run them into the ground and then just go buy another one. Do preventive maintenance. What's that.
Yeah those old cars changed their own oil. When it gets low ya just put some more in. In a year the oil is changed. Same with mowers.
I bet the Wacker motor changed it's own oil too.
Love the cat, I have a similar inspector, always helping and making sure I'm doing it right.
The ONLY good Honda engines are the ones with the White gas tanks!
The ones with the white gas tanks and red pull starts are the more "industrial" Honda engines
Gas tank color makes no difference. I've ordered gx160's by serial # and you can choose between red or black painted. A red gx160 and a black gx160 are physically identical. I've had both torn down to their socks many times, and they are identical.
That poor Honda. Where do you get the new Vanguard? I’m interested in getting one. They look like nice engines.
Awesome video as usual grass rats...👍👍👍
Wow ...oil sump drain on both ends too. That is versatility!
That's pretty much standard practice among different manufacturers .
Hey Taryl you should have done a separate video on the counter shaft box oil change when you had the engine off.
Cats and Vanguard motors are 2 wise investments
Excellent Repower video. That’s pretty much all you see on commercial power equipment are Honda’s. Every one just knows Honda. We repair tons of Honda motors on walk behind blowers and other out door equipment. Keep up the fantastic work Grass Rats Garage
Inspector cat got his furrballs all over the husquvarna spark plug
That looks more like rat hair
We always had issue with briggs and stratton on my lawn mowers and on equipment at work such as this tamper he's working. I don't care if its says commercial grade on it I still wouldn't buy it. And no matter what engine you buy they will leak fuel into the cylinder if you don't turn the gas. And before you say it I know the briggs has an auto fuel shut off and thats nice but I still wouldnt buy one cause turning off the fuel valve is an easy 2 second step to do when your done using the piece of equipment and you wouldn't have to replace the engine every few years.
What Briggs & Stratton do steal the cyclonic air filters away from Peterbilt
Back in the 60s early 70s this guy had a system setup that would spin his air filters on his peterbilt with a belt setup powered by an electric motor or something I can't remember
I think it was aftermarket or option or something
the compactor was last seen vibrating it's way down Interstate 70 just outside Columbus Ohio
I was kind of gritting my teeth in this video Taryl and crew,you're the only one that I know of that will trade in a Honda engine for Briggs, everybody else wants the Honda engine and not the Briggs.
Briggs used to make a really good engine but after they pulled out of Brillion Wisconsin they've built nothing but junk for the last 25 years or so.(Chinese made with plastic parts in certain models)I have one of the very last"L"heads ever built and it's on a snapper push mower,that's a 5 horse Briggs IC engine.Its a 1994 model.(Briggs pulled out of Wisconsin in 1992)
I have a Briggs Vanguard 18 horse twin on an LX 288 John Deere lawn tractor and it blew a head gasket and I repaired it using copper head gaskets I haven't had any problems since,this is a very common problem with the Briggs Vanguard engine.(other Briggs types too)
ever since honda started making their GX series in china they are trash now too. all of our trash pumps, compactors, concrete saws, air compressors, the carb goes to shit every single time. have equipment with briggs that sit under the same conditions with no issues. not sure why the carbs on hondas are complete trash they just are.
its honestly sad because everything else about a honda is great. doesnt matter how good its built if it dont run IT DONT MAKE MONEY!!
@@boomstickkid Wow!!.Hondas are no longer made in Japan?,thats not good at all.
Hate to wake y’all from Yur slumber, but Incase you didn’t know, it’s very hard to find something that’s NOT made in China. It’s a small engine, not the space shuttle.
@@TarylFixesAll HAHAHAHA!!. You're right Taryl,that's very true.
What we're talkin about is the quality difference between Briggs & Honda,everybody wants the Honda engine because they're much quieter,much more dependable. Every contractor that I know,that's all they run is Honda.
Taryl the super wrench man,... I've got Kohler kt175 on a Husqvarna lawn tractor with 20 hour on the engine and the Lifters are Louder than all out Hell...anything I can do to fix it..our video on the subject ? thanks
What grade oil is in it? SAE 30 is what I run if it’s summer use only
Vanguards are all over the Phillippine Islands, lots of Briggs and Stratton's in them boats you see in the Islands, they make it affordable for the public, and has better features than Honda's.
This channel know what they talking, so you Mofo's listen up, another good vid.
Well Hello Taryl, Glad to see Briggs Stratton doing good, smart set-up shutting off gas with
killing spark. I want to say I really enjoy watching ur videoze. . . I'm thinking that with a small
angle grinder and drill I could make a valve grinder making sure the valve was at a 45 degree
angle to the grinding wheel. . . YUP, Honda did a good job w engines but when 1 thinks they R
good 4ever, nope not gonna happen.
I love Husqvarna the real Husqvarna not the Lowe's mtd versions trimmers and chainsaws and all Husqvarna is king to me and i love Kohler commercial grade engines to Kawasaki is great too
Taryl, I know this video is 4 yrs. old now, but I have a Wacker compactor and I want to change it over to the same Briggs engine that you used. Can you provide me with a part number or model number so I can order one? I watched the video twice and also scanned all the comments but could not find any mention of the engine part number. Thanks
And that’s a shame I’ve had a pretty good luck with my Hondas but I also maintain my stuff extremely well and I keep it on a maintenance record and if things are wrong with that we don’t operate them until they repaired
If my PTO stops automatically, while I'm driving.
What would cause that?
I put a 2 horse Briggs on my electric scooter and I bought a brand new one so to keep the newness I literally change the oil every week. I've spent over $120 in oil changes for a little $100 engine 😂. When I say brand new I mean I had an edger but used it like 5 times and then got a lawn care service to do our yard
I have a problem with a 11.0 Honda engine you might be able to make a video on. I went to check the valves & when I went to take the bolt out I saw shavings coming out, put it back together when I checked the valves & the threaded part of the bolt broke inside now there is a rubber seal going halfway down the hole, at least that is how it feels . How can I rethread it without damaging the rubber & doing it without taking the head off or am I stuck with removel.
Remove the Joe Biden
Dr. Taryl, just wondering if you will be doing anymore videos? Hope you are well!! Haven't seen you lately. Thank you for all you do!!
Hey taryl still have that honda I like it I have a mill I check the bore but feel it might just hone new piston rod wrist pin and use standard oil I run in mine 15-40 diesel oil never had issue
I believe the Honda GX engine are still very good engines, with every small engine manufacturer copying their design. Honda changed the small engine Industry in my opinion.
The Vanguard are very good engines too.
I have 17 yr old honda gcv160 5.5 horse, on a log splitter..been outside the whole time, wouldnt run any more..took it apart, cleaned all carbon and grime, new timing belt and valves ( to be sure) put it back together..runs like a champ now..its a simple well built engine
When he's talking about gas getting the crank case from vibration is why you should check the oil before every use of small engine equipment. I know no one does, but could save you some big $$$.
Also should turn the gas off when transporting small engines. Just imagine that carb float bouncing up and down with the trailer letting all that extra gas pass by. Depending on the engine, the extra gas is going right to the crank case.
Hey taryl We have one of these units at work and feel that I may have to change it out soon. Would you happen to have a model # of the vangaurd you did the swap with? Thanks
Blade is thinking you should have replaced the engine with a "CAT" motor!
Taryl , I love your videos you’ve taught me a lot ,, thank you. I recently received a husqvarna push mower b&s engine ,, connecting rod busted,,(she bought it on a online auction). Reassemble with new rod and sump gasket,, she runs but as I used her on my first cut, she has trouble restarting after running,, and every now and then wanting to choke down like she wants to die , but reclaim herself with a few black coughs from the muffkin. Please help
That wacker will never do its job again like it used to with the Honda 😆😂 poor little wacker what did it ever do to you guys. You are correct about the needle leaking fuel into the crankcase I believe, it is very common for the Honda’s to leak in that way. If used in a commercial environment it pays to put a new carburetraaaator on OEM about ever other year or so. It’s hard to know for sure though how much use they actually got out of it. Customers always tend to think that they take care of their equipment even when they don’t. Who knows could have never had the oil changed since new also and from the looks of it could be some dirt ingestion too. I can tell you for a fact it’s not easy to wear one of the commercial Honda’s out that they can take a lot of abuse even after years of use.
poor husky :( rip
I hope that air cleaner on the Briggs does a good job, those compactors make and run in their own cloud of dust. Most engines can’t take the abuse those machines put out.
it should.. in the minning industry every engine and even Hvac filters are of a cyclonic design as it last longer between service intervals.. B&S was smart in implementing it on small engines
The main issue is not the motor here. It is the fact that the application is too tough for an ordinary motor ,or engine, it is that these motors were not designed for the thumping a vibrating compactor will make them suffer. Perhaps a two stroke would be better as it would not matter if petrol mix leaked into the crank case.
unlike Taryl, his twin gives large portions for your dinner...stay tune for Taryl's return to prison, guess there"s some fellows there that cannt wait to settle some past misunderstandings! dont worry Taryl" a made man...
Great video, promoting the new Vanguard engine, Ive been getting pats from PartsDirect
DARYL ! I prefer my dinner stirred, not shaken. And that character should be called "Hamphony" Kapish ! Joke...
So a Briggs & Stratton is better than a Honda Ha? You know Briggs & Stratton copied off Honda to build that engine don’t you lol
Taryl Rules!
No mention online where the small engines are made. I assume China since the competition is so fierce. The Vanguard twin engine are made in the USA (says Briggs website). What do you think of Subaru engines? I have a OHC 14hp on my push blower (they are all made in Japan).
I’ve got a 6hp Robin/Subaru on a walk behind. Full pressure lube system with spin on oil filter. Hard as hell to get started cold and it’s been like that since new. Several other guys I know say theirs fire right up cold but mine never has. It’s never used a drop of oil and runs quiet & smooth. I just wish mine pull started cold easier.
B&T and Honda engines are almost the same, who is copying whom? funny but good sometimes in case one need to swap
I did the same thing with my tamper. I haven't owned a Honda yet that didn't fill the base with gas. Unfortunately when other people use your stuff they just don't care
Yep after Briggs copied Honda they got a little bit better. I'd love to do an abuse test with both
Hey Taryl thanks for the info on the pulley pulling with the air hammer .
i need to change the oil ?
Well done,thx for sharing.
Which model engine did you use for the replacement please?
I think there is a lack of quality with those pants 👖 of yours lol.
Was going to comment:
"All this mid-week dinner is going to make me fat." Then I realized it's Sunday.
Damn... I need to quit working nights.
I was guessing that cage wasn't going to fit. Kitty has grown.
ANYBODY got a quick fix for a deck belt tension idler spring that the hook has been broken off? I have replaced 3 on my Snapper LTH 48" cut, ( 2 in one day ) obvious weakness @ the bend location, anybody have success in welding like a heavy duty washer or something in place of the hook?
Not sure if I'm following you but you won't have any luck welding on a spring. That spot will be hardened and brittle
Use a HF Predator on them things
That compactor is a toy, real ones have diesel engines
I'm first I think.......... oh no I might be II
🥉💯👍
You can buy a billion year extended warranty. NONE OF THEM COVER NEGLECT AND ABUSE!!!
True
I think I'm better off sticking with the Briggs & Stratton engine, my 1988 model 3 horsepower push mower looks like it's due for new rings, I mean,it's just starting to burn oil under full acceleration & it's hard to start.
Briggs & Stratton don't release official compression figures rather preferring a leakdown test for diagnosis of burning oil & hard starting.
The problem is they say not to hone the cylinder when fitting the chrome faced rings, I thought the idea of honing was to allow the oil to flow back down the cylinder wall instead of the glazed bore causing the oil to pool inside of the cylinder.
Someone did the same thing to a Honda mower engine & it burned oil,they didn't hone the cylinder, my problem is with Hondas instructions for testing a GSV190 engines compression.
Since it runs a decompression camshaft, they say the compression should test at 71 PSI which my dads mower does,its problem is oil burning on startup & hard starting.
I gave the cylinder a couple of squirts of oil & it went up to 100 PSI, the engine started the first pull so it has to be rings which I bought for it.
I want to buy a leakdown tester & test it before I tear it down just out of interest, I want to test my 3 HP Briggs mowers engine as well !
A standard classic briggs flathead has an aluminum alloy cylinder bore . Most newer engines have an iron cylinder liner . The old industrial commercial series flatheads had iron cylinder liner and replacable bronze main bearing and valve guides . Som had ball bearing mains
I need some Help ! I bought a used riding mower $50 at a yard sale. Briggs 17 twin. New items I have put on, Battery, coil, air filter, plugs, gas filter, and oil. Had the carb rebuilt an put in new reg. fresh gas. Starts up an runs great. Seems to have plenty of power. But if it stalls or I turn it off it will not start. Seems to spin over alright. After it cools off it will start up an run again.
Read on another thread that using iridium spark plugs cured the problem for several people. Good luck
If the users had checked the oil it would not have failed
What is the little shiny box that the oil sensor wire goes into?
Good fix on the engine replacement. I have concrete guys calling ever so often when their saw dies. No filter on it, not even for the workers. They’re all Stihl, I pass, tell the to take it to Stihl dealer. They’re not maintaining the motor, in 4 months , it’d be back. No thanks.
I have an orange version of your shop cat, wait till he stretches out to see just what a handsome boy he is.
I run into the same thing, they'll bring something in just caked in dust...and no air filter. I ask where's the filter, they say, "oh it got clogged so I took it off"
I reckon that Briggs will rattle itself to bits, more oil caps to loose, I reckon the dipstick will shoot out after all the vibration
Wacker plates /. construction equipment is abused and works in the harshest of conditions
Maybe if the operator was shown to check the oil and isolate the fuel and check for excessive oil on stick ( fuel within) maybe just maybe and engine could be saved
I cannot wait for the follow up for the fertiliser spreader... think it would have been better to service the Honda and fit a new carb and maybe check the ignition coil
The wet clutch reduction gearbox is there for a reason ... that wacker type clutch will struggle in certain inclines
I thought you would have to modify the cage good work.
All the compactors I've seen had 20mm crank, check diameter before buying engine
I have a Husqvarna and I love it, I do all the maintenance and I think it will last me for the rest of my life I also have the push mower and also love it, both machines are absolutely great.
Intek and courage engine is junk!
What are my routes to a bad Parker pump in my Dixon Kodiak that is 12 years old and obsolete?
Hey Taryl, would u say ur more of a cat or a dog person
Air filter, you mean these things don't have lungs like us?
They can't take care of themselves, why don't it change its own oil..🤷
Whut...... whut...🤷
This guy has the weirdest customers ever.
The brigs isn't gona last longer then the honda. The vibration from the compactor, let's gas leak by the valves. Boom no more engine.
Edit brigs/vanguard is also in bankruptcy. Also it almost looks like a carbon copy of the honda with some newer improvements