It's interesting to see you come from an SP-404 Mk2 to an MPC One, I can see how it might feel like the MPC is harder to learn. But when listening to others who went the other direction, it seems like the SP-404 is way harder to learn simply because you get very little navigational cues on the screen and you have to remember a lot of button combinations. As someone who has used the MPC One for almost 18 months and produced a lot of music on it, I agree with your assessment that it's literally a DAW in a box, in both the good and the bad ways. Good because it lets you realize your ideas quickly (once you've spent enough time with it to be reasonable fluent). You don't have to think "how can I overcome this limitation?" because there are so few of them. But it's bad in the sense that it's not the most enjoyable thing to jam on live. Now, my perspective is going to be very different from yours because I produce electronic music. I actually didn't use the sampling side of the MPC for quite some time, and instead I enjoyed the pads as a different form of piano keyboard with built-in scales, and I used the built-in synths, the arps and all the effects to make fully mixed songs all on the MPC, some of the best songs I've ever made. So it's very much a producer's sampler and production center. I guess the 404 doesn't really try to be a full production center. Instead it's a sampler and an effects box. By the way, technically I actually think there's pretty little that the 404 can do that the MPC can't also do. Arguably some effects are better sounding in the 404 and then you have some DJ features too, but that's about it. If I had a 404 personally, I'd probably use it mostly as a samling "sound designer" tool: a place to sample, chop things up, add novel effects, resample and end up with really unique and cool sounding phrases and sounds. But then I'd probably use those samples elsewhere rather than trying to build out a track on the 404 itself. As a sampling exploration kind of device, the 404 looks dope but as a music production device, it leave a lot to be desired and you're better off on the MPC, a DAW or even something like the Digitakt since it offers 8 individual tracks and a more production friendly workflow.
I can agree with that. My view of music in general is about the process. I think its just as important as what comes out in the end (though I can still appreciate a well made song). At first glance I really wanted to touch the SP 404 even though I am more familiar with the MPC. I think the simplicity of the SP 404 is also what made it attractive, but as you said, that simplicity limits what you can do. I think subconsciously I knew I wanted to end up with something like the MPC, but wanted to ease into kinetic beat making by using the SP 404 as my starter. I think its interesting to hear that people who started with the MPC have the same learning curve when dealing with the SP 404 series. That is really interesting. Thanks a lot for stopping by and for the intuitive perspective.
You actually described how I use my mk2 with the MPC. You're right. It's a great way to take a sample, magle it, and make it your own. For whole tracks? Possible.. but the MPC is a cleaner way to work if you will.
yeah i kind of gave up on the 404. it seemed like too much to learn and too many hidden button combos. i'm NOT saying the 404 sucked it just wasnt for me. i had no issue learning the mpc1 but i also had experience from other mpcs. imo tho the mpcs navigation seems intuitive to me.
@@sclr I agree. There are just too many weird behaviors you need to try to remember. For example, you can't start recording while in chromatic pad playback mode, so you have to step out of it first (Exit), then hit Rec, and then hit Shift+pad4 again to re-enter it. No real reason other than Roland being Roland. That's just the tip of the iceberg of the number of odd UI quirks you have to live with when working with the SP.
Great review! I have both devices for the value. I use both devices for better beatmaking creativity. On the plus side…if you’ve sold both devices you will afford the MPC Live 2. Great content!
Thank you. I am looking forward to merging the two in order to expand the music I make. MPC is a learning curve for me. It may be a while before I'm able to integrate both well.
daw in a box is the best description of the mpc. if i had a lot of synths/external gear to sequence or needed more sources to sample i would side with the mpc. if i didnt have a studio already i may want the mpc just for that. but i agree the sp404mk2 is definitely more a creative tool and more like an instrument. i can always come away with something using the 404. i cannot say the same of the mpc.
Totally agree. The SP 404 is something I pick up when I’m bored or feeling inspired. The MPC is used with an intention and a goal. Thank you for the comment and the view.
@@SUPERDASHPRO it depends on what you want from it. if you are looking for a studio or center of your setup the 404 mk2 aint it imo. but if you just want to run some loops and chops, which CAN make for some great songs, it'll do.
I use a rechargeable camcorder battery to power my MPC One on the go. Lasts for hours. And it fits in my bag so you can definitely make it portable. It has a little weight to it but it's not super heavy. And also navigating around the MPC is not as complicated as it seems once you get the hang of it. Most functions have dedicated buttons that take you right where you're trying to go. But using the 404 effects on the MPC is a match made in heaven
I’ve seen a video about making the MPC One portable. To ,e it isn’t that big of a deal, but I do plan on giving myself the option. I agree with your sentiment about getting familiar with it. It’s a matter of practice and reps. What kind of plug do you use for power?
I've never had an MPC but I had a Maschine MK3 and a Maschine Jam. Those are great devices that I ended up selling because I got tired of having a DAW in a box and super tired of NI support. With the money, I got myself a Digitakt and that is my very favorite device... The Digitakt really is something else. Recently, I bought an SP-404MK2. I love it, it's a lot of fun and immediacy even though it's more difficult to learn than I thought it would be. It requires remembering a lot of shortcuts and button combinations but it sure is a great instrument that, to be efficient, you need to know inside out.
Exactly. Even though these workstations can make beat making easier, it doesn't make as much fun and that's what I'm here for. I considered the Maschine workstation as a possibility since I'm familiar with the software, but the MPC has such a great reputation, I decided on it. I am seriously considering the Digitakt. I hear a lot of good things about it.
interesting video i've had a mpc one for a couple of years now, really like it, currently recording 3rd album on it I'm here btw as i'd like a portable sampler so been looking at the sp-404 mkii today. yes the SP is more limited but it still looks fun for what it can do and the price is right also - affordable.
The price, simplicity of the workflow, and hidden power of the device are all the reasons why I decided to get one and have not regretted it in the least. A lot of people own both and use them based on what they are trying to accomplish. I use my SP 404 every day and have not gotten tired of using it.
IMO The MPC with the flavor pro plugin is a more complete instrument. It feel like the MPC is better for studio work and the 404 is better for live performances. I don’t understand why some people say the MPC is more difficult than the SP. The SP forces you to make copies of stuff because you don’t have undo… you have to commit early on your tracks and live with the results. Also the MPC allows you to explode your tracks to create stems for mixing. Once I added flavor pro to my MPC, I put my SP 404mkII up for sale
Wow. Up for sale? I guess I understand. The MPC is all in one to include what the SP 404 can contribute. Even though I have the MPC now and am enjoying the versatility of it. It can do all the things, but there is something still very attractive about the SP 404 that I don't think the MPC can deliver. I take my MKII with me when I go to coffee shops or chill at the park. I enjoy it outside of the home. The MPC is powerful and professional, but I don't see myself taking it outside of the house to use. I appreciate your perspective. Who knows. Maybe as I get more comfortable with the MPC I will start seeing things more your way.
@@spitlogic I sold it this morning… Have you tried the Flavour Pro plugin that’s available for the MPC? It’s really good. Anyway I use a portable battery with my hardware. I picked up an Octatrack for Christmas and between that and the MPC I didn’t have any use for the SP, but the SP is a great instrument and the upgrade from the SX to the MK2 is major… if I did live shows I would have kept it.. anyway peace bro 🫡
That's partly how I feel. I have not touched Logic Pro to make music since I got the SP 404. I love it, but I do feel like I should do a little more refinement if I plan on leaving my computer alone. Thanks for the comment and the support. Much appreciated.
I have the 404 and it really requires you to learn it. But now having it for a month the form factor is awesome and once you menu dive it will be much easier and quicker. I will grab a mic and try live outdoor samples.
I have the MPC live 2 and I didnt like the workflow at first since I started from a maschine software. But after weeks goes by it became easy for me and kinda like it. earlier today I went to guitar center and tried the sp404 mk2 to pair with my Live 2. I think the only thing you can make with the sp is to make at as an effect to the MPC. it doesnt make sense if you want to sample the synths of the mpc to the sp.
Its kind of unfortunate. I would love to see a seamless interaction between the two. I think the fact they are from different companies is why (by design) they will always be separate. Have you tried any of the Maschine workstations? I was considering it since I used Machine with Logic Pro, but decided on the MPC One due to the brand.
@@spitlogic Agree with you that they it should be seamless since they can do it with synthesizers. I have the Maschine mk3 before but returned it since I noticed a cracking sound in the software, I still got the Mini Mk3 though (collecting dust). I love the workflow. pads and the vast variety of sounds. Then I tried the MPC and never look back. But maybe in the future if they put a battery on a maschine plus mk2, maybe I'll try it one more time.
What I've seen is people use those effects with something like a guitar from the front input. The trigger to change the different effects has to come from the pad. I don't know if you could connect a midi controller and initiate the effects from there. I don't see why not with the midi inputs on it, but I've never tried it myself.
I own a mpc studio black and I wanted a mpc one but it made no sense to upgrade just yet because both the studio black and mpc one can do same things inside of the mpc daw minus the fact that the mpc one can be used without a computer I went with the sp404 MK2 and some of my homies use the older sp 404 sx and they love em
Here's something that is subtle to me about that Sub Pad. I came from using a 404SX 8 years straight. When I got the 404MK2, I noticed old habits from the SX; the MK2 would expose. I tend to rest my big ass palms at the bottom of the 404 while I'm trying to build an idea . So that slight tilt the 404MK2 has makes me hit the Sub Pad with my palm like ALL THE TIME. 😂 The SX is a little taller and wider, so I never accidentally hit that Sub Pad lol It's hilarious. I'll be resampling a drum rhythm idea, and I'll randomly hit that mufuckin Sub Pad again lol That shit took a little bit of a minute to get used to 😂🤣.
Part of me wishes I’d known about the SPs prior to the MKII. Actually, it wasn’t about me not knowing about it but more about me not feeling confident to try it out. Now I love it and am curious about the workflow of its predecessors. Maybe I’ll get one and see if my habits with the MKII can cause something similar to what you’ve done.
There is no comparison between the two. The MPC has been what its been for 35 years, its a midi production center I had the sp404 mk2 when it first came out. Its cool and I felt handicapped with it compared to MPC's
I have a Force and recently got the SP..... now I am starting think about getting the One instead.. means I can keep in the Akai MPC environment when travelling and then finishing up on the Force.. the Sp is a totally different work flow..
I agree. I think they are actually very different and, unfortunately, hard to make compatible. This is the second time I've heard the Force being named. I may have to look into it.
The Force isn't perfect but it is a beast for the money... if you see a 2nd hand one at a good price grab one! So I spent more time on the SP and got a beat together but I am missing keygroups/syths etc... If I want to add variation to a sample in a pattern I have to resample it which is tedious.... Now for an OG producer used to sample based sequencers it's a powerhouse because of the shear amount of sample slots, patterns and pattern length.. but as for sound design it's just not there in-box which is fine because it's not supposed to be a mini MPC but I sure wish it was@@spitlogic
My theory is that Roland is going to come up with a compliment to the MPC based on the MKII. I think they are using the SP 404 to get the workflow right. Just my theory. I will be on the look out for the Force. I am always trying to expand. @@DJCJ999
I think there are very few who can master both. Those individuals are amazing to me. I see some who use them both, but would use the 494 just for effects. It's difficult to use both effectively.
Let me make sure I’m picking up what you are putting down. For a hundred dollar difference I can get a full color screen that is 7 or 8 times bigger, I can use just about any storage device I want to, I’ll have larger pads, more effects, more effects per sample/track, I can control and integrate with external USB audio devices (like mixers), I can attach a multiport MIDI controller and control 16 devices, I can take it with me to the same places I’d use a 404 and use the MPC… For $100 more…. There MUST be some things that the 404 does that the MPC can’t. You didn’t cover any. You mentioned the buttons on the MPC. The ONE is designed so that you can access everything through buttons just like the 404. So I’m curious… How exactly am I going to be less creative and less productive? Another point, why is this a “vs” video. One is a production studio, the other is made with live performance in mind. You’re comparing a Honda Civic to an Escalade and saying that “obviously the Honda is better…” They aren’t designed for the same consumer, they do similar things, but not the same thing…. I own both a Live II and a 404 MKII. I don’t do the same stuff on them. I use them together. Some things you might want to know. The rectangular USB port (USB-A) is called a Host port. The MPC would be acting as the host for whatever peripheral is plugged in. THAT’S the one peripherals connect to. The OTHER USB port (the orange one) is a USB-B port. It allows the MPC to act as a “client” or a peripheral. This is where the computer connects so that you can transfer data back and forth between the MPC and the computer. I don’t agree with any “X is better than Y,” conclusion. They are two completely different devices. Maybe in your next video, show how to use them together to compliment each other.
You make some good points. I would say that on paper the MPC should blow the SP 404 out of the water, but its something about the SP 404 that doesn't quite convince me (yet). I'm new to the MPC and am still learning how to use it and even more; I want to figure out the best way to use it with the SP 404. Right now I'm still on team Roland, but I got the MPC because I know the SP 404 is very limited. You have to also understand that the SP 404 is my introduction to using gear (after using DAWs exclusively) and the DAW-likeness of the MPC can be a turn off. In the end, once I am able to utilize both proficiently, I think I will be able to make some great music.
@@spitlogic my initial post may have been a bit over the top. If that’s the case I apologize. I’ve seen a lot of versus videos where my first question is, “why not use them together?” And invariably I find videos that do that. A year ago I would have warned you away from an MPC. Akai had a series of “updates,” that were downgrades. The year before that I’d have likely fanboi’d the MPC. It’s great that you got in to music because of the 404. My mistake was going and buying things everyone said I needed. Right now my daily drivers are an MPC1000, SP-555, LoFi-12, and a QY-70. And I’m having fun. The Live 2, 404 mkII, and other hardware sit waiting for their turn. I almost let everyone’s opinion ruin what I actually wanted to make. I hope I have not been overbearing. Make your music, enjoy your journey, discover what matters.
@@EverettVinzant it's all good man. I rarely have issue with anyone who speaks their heart. I appreciate the honesty as well as the directness of your statements. That's why we're here right? This is a public platform where people should feel comfortable expressing their perspective.
I love my MPC One but I have been thinking about sending on it because I dont use it for the very reason I bought it which is to take it everywhere... I travel for work a lot and wanted something to keep with me at all time. (I tried carrying a controller and interface for my laptop with me but found I never really got round to using it... too much like work after a day of... well work) The trouble is I find the MPC still a bit too big to carry everywhere which leading me to wonder if the 404 might suit my needs better.????..... I bassically want to have fun mucking around with sounds on my travels and then take back to my studio/shed.... Saying that tho I have been using my MPC quite a bit at home with my other midi gear..... Trouble is I love BITWIG for that and the MPC seems unesecary.... I hope the new MPC OneMk 2 (or whatever its called) is much thinner with buttons that push in flush with the surface so it slipps into bags much easier.... I would probably be well happy with it!!! I also, hope they sort the desktop software out because its not great TBH....
That portability of the 404 is perfect. I have used it on planes and found an adapter that plugs into usb for power. It’s not a workstation like the MPC, but it’s a great instrument at home and on the go. I would be curious to see if the new MPC can rival that.
@@spitlogic I am now having multiple internal debates with myself..... I dont really want to sell my MPC but I dont have it with me right now while working away all summer as I couldnt fit it in my bag!!!!
@@nothingmemorable486 The 404 would definitely be something you want due to its size, the battery power option, and (in my opinion) simplicity of use. Can two things be true at the same time? Can you try out the SP 404 this summer and them come back to your MPC when you get back? Maybe even sell your 404 (if you choose) later on. You could also keep it and have the two options.
@@spitlogic I ask because now that the MPC has the ability to use sound and FX plugins it is like comparing apples to oranges. That’s bananas to make a comparison.
Id go for the mpc even low i prefer a more sampler based workflow rather than a daw style work flow but the mpc is the industry standard.. the 404 is badass but the mpc has more features id be happy with either but if i had to choose id got for the m.p ..alot of people think the sp404 is only for lofi hiphop but it can make anything iv even heard people make full on trance with it with full on gated arp themes and sounded as good as anything made on a daw.. but the moc can do everything the sp can do but theres things the mpc does that the sp cant
I can agree with that. It comes down to personal taste and your goals in music making. I think the Factory of time comes into place too. How much time are you willing to spend honing your craft.
Mpc one in mint condition used at 500.00? See no place for sp over mpc unless used sp 404 pricing drops to 250.00. New vs new, maybe 404 if on budget. Mpc is worlds more capable. Not even in same league. Good review though. Very helpful.
Apples & Oranges. It's like comparing a bike and car, 2 very different modes of transportation. You contradict yourself several times. As on 17:30 & 19:10 you say MPC has "a lot more versatility as far as effects" then you say 'it lacks in effects'.
I agree. They are very different in a lot of ways, though it seems with the new update Roland is trying to make the 404 more work station friendly. I misspoke. What I meant t say was plug ins, not effects. Thanks for the view and for throwing in your two cents.
I am almost amazed at how powerful yet easy those effects are on it. I can't think of any sequencers that even come close. The effects will definitely be integrated with my MPC. Workflow.
@@spitlogic Roland seems to have it's effects game all figured out. Nonetheless, I still use a MPC because it does everything else I need well. Autosampling. Deeper sequencing, onboard synthesizers, and doesn't feel like I'm painting the walls of the hall through a mail slot.
Since Akai's new paid FX plugin called Flavor Pro, this has become debatable. I've seen plenty of reports from users that don't rely on the SP 404 MKII for effects anymore.
the sp 404 aint even close. It boils down to work flows. if you like all the extra steps with an old school feel, the Roland is the go too. I use to use the Roland work flow in early 2000's through other gear. Anytime you have to plug other devices to the system to generate sound, its an old school way of doing things. And it sucks once you've experience Close to Analog. Now the Roland does have a few stock sounds and you can bring sounds in through a sd card. Boring!!!!!! The Mpc is a more like new school boxed keyboard. Everything you need in the box straight up. Dont get it twisted. There Roland is like throw in the bag and go for producers. But in the long run you'll need other equipment to set the mood. If you only use the Roland without outboard gear and heavy midi, your beat will sound like IM BAD" LL cool J, or some drum loop base beat with no melody. I see a lot of believers praising the Roland, but I beg to differ them saying its close to being better than a old school mpc, let alone a mpc live, or mpc one. What you'll find is people trying to nit pick and force themselves to believe the Roland is a cold piece of equipment. All top notch equipment has a learning curve. You think J dilla picked up a MPC and made a hit on the first day. He learned the equipment and turned it into a instrument. Y'all need to stop the cap, the Roland is boring unless you plug up a lot of crap to it. I hate all the steps you have to do when making beats in the Roland.I have to take a nap after making beats on it. I felt like I was on my DR. 5 back in the day. With only 2 gigs for saving beats. The Roland only uses a 32 gig for storing your stuff. The mpc one is quadruple that
That's the primary reason why I got the MPC One. I needed to do more than what I'm currently doing and I had no taste to use Logic Pro. I would disagree that the SP 404 is boring. Its limited. Its old school, but for me, it far from boring. I love it. So performance and options, the MPC beats the SP 404 by miles, but if I'm going by my heart, then I will likely go with Roland on this one.
@@spitlogic i totally understand. It seems like a nostalgia thing. I just sold all my Nintendo stuff. For the life of me, I couldn’t come up with a reason to keep all that stuff other than it reminded me of my child hood and it was worth a few dollars. But compared to my ps5, Xbox and switch, it was nothing else to convince me to keep them. But I get it. But once you go Logic Pro x, fl studio, ableton, mpc live 2, you’ll be using the Roland 404 as a paper weight
The funny thing is I started with DAWs in the early 2000s. The MK2 is my first non computer beat maker. I still am a fan of Logic Pro but have not had the taste to open it since I got the MK2.
@@spitlogic dang. Y’all different. It’s crazy how times are going back to analog. But ok, I did the analog thing growing up. I spent more time plugging and unplugging devices than creating. It took me a while to adjust to the digital world all in a box creating. Now I’m hooked on the faster turn around of creating and flushing ideals. It’s faster and more efficient for me
For me, I've played both and so have experience, the MPC is an okay DAW in a box, but the SP-404 is an instrument made for creating not producing. I think both can be good, but I personally find calling an SP-404 a "toy" shows a limit in spontaneous creativity. But, to each their own, I mean I make Industrial Metal on Reaper with samplers and have tried many irl samplers, but the SP-404 is the only one I can get along with :))
...and to be fair if what heard around the internet is true that AKAI is going to release a MPC LIVE mini wit the help of a third party it might be a wrap for the sp-404mk2 . The mk2 is messing features when it comes to sampling aspect .
@@spitlogic 🌋. It brilliant idea. But. Akai has strong community, but weak size is bad support and feetback. Today (imo), music equipment brands has marketing and profit orientation. Users in 2nd place. It can destroy even potential good products (for example, Pioneer SP-16 - crashing by project managers, who not entered DELETE SAMPLE funcion (⛔), and slow updates, bad support). So, todays Roland has bad manager team for production gears. And better if Roland will not do this (mv-1, mc 101 - dead products , victim of marketing). Good managers = fell in love to music making. If Roland will create team with this option - they could try, and maybe we will see new beast (new 8800 mk3) who 'll kick Akai ass.🤣☝️
SP404 MK2 All Day. I haven't used my MPC one since I got my SP404.
I got my MKII first and I still use it every day. I don’t think I’ll ever not use it. It’s even made me want to get the earlier versions too.
I sold my 404 when I bought my MPC one. Saying that though the 404 didn't really suit my needs so I would have sold it anyway.
I use them in conjunction.... MPC One Plus and 404Mk2....
Easy to understand comparisson. Thanks for posting, Spitlogic. Greetings from a Roland Verselab MV-1 user
Thank you. This was very on the surface for me but I'm glad you got something out of it.
It's interesting to see you come from an SP-404 Mk2 to an MPC One, I can see how it might feel like the MPC is harder to learn. But when listening to others who went the other direction, it seems like the SP-404 is way harder to learn simply because you get very little navigational cues on the screen and you have to remember a lot of button combinations.
As someone who has used the MPC One for almost 18 months and produced a lot of music on it, I agree with your assessment that it's literally a DAW in a box, in both the good and the bad ways. Good because it lets you realize your ideas quickly (once you've spent enough time with it to be reasonable fluent). You don't have to think "how can I overcome this limitation?" because there are so few of them. But it's bad in the sense that it's not the most enjoyable thing to jam on live. Now, my perspective is going to be very different from yours because I produce electronic music. I actually didn't use the sampling side of the MPC for quite some time, and instead I enjoyed the pads as a different form of piano keyboard with built-in scales, and I used the built-in synths, the arps and all the effects to make fully mixed songs all on the MPC, some of the best songs I've ever made. So it's very much a producer's sampler and production center. I guess the 404 doesn't really try to be a full production center. Instead it's a sampler and an effects box.
By the way, technically I actually think there's pretty little that the 404 can do that the MPC can't also do. Arguably some effects are better sounding in the 404 and then you have some DJ features too, but that's about it. If I had a 404 personally, I'd probably use it mostly as a samling "sound designer" tool: a place to sample, chop things up, add novel effects, resample and end up with really unique and cool sounding phrases and sounds. But then I'd probably use those samples elsewhere rather than trying to build out a track on the 404 itself. As a sampling exploration kind of device, the 404 looks dope but as a music production device, it leave a lot to be desired and you're better off on the MPC, a DAW or even something like the Digitakt since it offers 8 individual tracks and a more production friendly workflow.
I can agree with that. My view of music in general is about the process. I think its just as important as what comes out in the end (though I can still appreciate a well made song). At first glance I really wanted to touch the SP 404 even though I am more familiar with the MPC. I think the simplicity of the SP 404 is also what made it attractive, but as you said, that simplicity limits what you can do. I think subconsciously I knew I wanted to end up with something like the MPC, but wanted to ease into kinetic beat making by using the SP 404 as my starter. I think its interesting to hear that people who started with the MPC have the same learning curve when dealing with the SP 404 series. That is really interesting.
Thanks a lot for stopping by and for the intuitive perspective.
You actually described how I use my mk2 with the MPC. You're right. It's a great way to take a sample, magle it, and make it your own. For whole tracks? Possible.. but the MPC is a cleaner way to work if you will.
Yes, 404 seems confusing if starting from other gear! Seems like relearning a lot
yeah i kind of gave up on the 404. it seemed like too much to learn and too many hidden button combos. i'm NOT saying the 404 sucked it just wasnt for me. i had no issue learning the mpc1 but i also had experience from other mpcs. imo tho the mpcs navigation seems intuitive to me.
@@sclr I agree. There are just too many weird behaviors you need to try to remember. For example, you can't start recording while in chromatic pad playback mode, so you have to step out of it first (Exit), then hit Rec, and then hit Shift+pad4 again to re-enter it. No real reason other than Roland being Roland. That's just the tip of the iceberg of the number of odd UI quirks you have to live with when working with the SP.
Great review! I have both devices for the value. I use both devices for better beatmaking creativity. On the plus side…if you’ve sold both devices you will afford the MPC Live 2. Great content!
Thank you. I am looking forward to merging the two in order to expand the music I make. MPC is a learning curve for me. It may be a while before I'm able to integrate both well.
Basically this, MPC Live 2 > MPC One + SP 404 MKII'
daw in a box is the best description of the mpc. if i had a lot of synths/external gear to sequence or needed more sources to sample i would side with the mpc. if i didnt have a studio already i may want the mpc just for that. but i agree the sp404mk2 is definitely more a creative tool and more like an instrument. i can always come away with something using the 404. i cannot say the same of the mpc.
Totally agree. The SP 404 is something I pick up when I’m bored or feeling inspired. The MPC is used with an intention and a goal. Thank you for the comment and the view.
sp 404 is limited, doesnt even have a daw. without it life is just hard. thats just like using a midi controller without a daw.
@@SUPERDASHPRO it depends on what you want from it. if you are looking for a studio or center of your setup the 404 mk2 aint it imo. but if you just want to run some loops and chops, which CAN make for some great songs, it'll do.
I use a rechargeable camcorder battery to power my MPC One on the go. Lasts for hours. And it fits in my bag so you can definitely make it portable. It has a little weight to it but it's not super heavy. And also navigating around the MPC is not as complicated as it seems once you get the hang of it. Most functions have dedicated buttons that take you right where you're trying to go. But using the 404 effects on the MPC is a match made in heaven
I’ve seen a video about making the MPC One portable. To ,e it isn’t that big of a deal, but I do plan on giving myself the option. I agree with your sentiment about getting familiar with it. It’s a matter of practice and reps. What kind of plug do you use for power?
All my songs are made with the MPC One
I've never had an MPC but I had a Maschine MK3 and a Maschine Jam. Those are great devices that I ended up selling because I got tired of having a DAW in a box and super tired of NI support. With the money, I got myself a Digitakt and that is my very favorite device... The Digitakt really is something else. Recently, I bought an SP-404MK2. I love it, it's a lot of fun and immediacy even though it's more difficult to learn than I thought it would be. It requires remembering a lot of shortcuts and button combinations but it sure is a great instrument that, to be efficient, you need to know inside out.
Exactly. Even though these workstations can make beat making easier, it doesn't make as much fun and that's what I'm here for. I considered the Maschine workstation as a possibility since I'm familiar with the software, but the MPC has such a great reputation, I decided on it. I am seriously considering the Digitakt. I hear a lot of good things about it.
interesting video i've had a mpc one for a couple of years now, really like it, currently recording 3rd album on it
I'm here btw as i'd like a portable sampler so been looking at the sp-404 mkii today.
yes the SP is more limited but it still looks fun for what it can do and the price is right also - affordable.
The price, simplicity of the workflow, and hidden power of the device are all the reasons why I decided to get one and have not regretted it in the least. A lot of people own both and use them based on what they are trying to accomplish. I use my SP 404 every day and have not gotten tired of using it.
Good review. Thanks 🙏🏾
Thank you for the watch and the comment.
IMO The MPC with the flavor pro plugin is a more complete instrument. It feel like the MPC is better for studio work and the 404 is better for live performances. I don’t understand why some people say the MPC is more difficult than the SP. The SP forces you to make copies of stuff because you don’t have undo… you have to commit early on your tracks and live with the results. Also the MPC allows you to explode your tracks to create stems for mixing. Once I added flavor pro to my MPC, I put my SP 404mkII up for sale
Wow. Up for sale? I guess I understand. The MPC is all in one to include what the SP 404 can contribute. Even though I have the MPC now and am enjoying the versatility of it. It can do all the things, but there is something still very attractive about the SP 404 that I don't think the MPC can deliver. I take my MKII with me when I go to coffee shops or chill at the park. I enjoy it outside of the home. The MPC is powerful and professional, but I don't see myself taking it outside of the house to use.
I appreciate your perspective. Who knows. Maybe as I get more comfortable with the MPC I will start seeing things more your way.
@@spitlogic I sold it this morning… Have you tried the Flavour Pro plugin that’s available for the MPC? It’s really good. Anyway I use a portable battery with my hardware. I picked up an Octatrack for Christmas and between that and the MPC I didn’t have any use for the SP, but the SP is a great instrument and the upgrade from the SX to the MK2 is major… if I did live shows I would have kept it.. anyway peace bro 🫡
The Roland is way more "on the point", especially when it comes to sampling. I sold my MPC b/c it was too DAW[ish]. I already have a DAW on my PC.
That's partly how I feel. I have not touched Logic Pro to make music since I got the SP 404. I love it, but I do feel like I should do a little more refinement if I plan on leaving my computer alone. Thanks for the comment and the support. Much appreciated.
I have the 404 and it really requires you to learn it. But now having it for a month the form factor is awesome and once you menu dive it will be much easier and quicker. I will grab a mic and try live outdoor samples.
I've done some outdoor sampling but not a lot. I'm curious how some people make instruments using normal sounds. Do you have a particular mic you use?
Great review
Thank you.
great observation!!!!!!!!
Thank you. Much appreciated.
I have SP and love it so much ❤
I approve this message 👍🏿
Note the rumors of a new "MPC Live Mini" ; - ) should be an interesting compare
I agree. I really want to know what Akai is brewing. I wonder how they will stack up. That may be the better comparison.
I have the MPC live 2 and I didnt like the workflow at first since I started from a maschine software. But after weeks goes by it became easy for me and kinda like it. earlier today I went to guitar center and tried the sp404 mk2 to pair with my Live 2. I think the only thing you can make with the sp is to make at as an effect to the MPC. it doesnt make sense if you want to sample the synths of the mpc to the sp.
Its kind of unfortunate. I would love to see a seamless interaction between the two. I think the fact they are from different companies is why (by design) they will always be separate. Have you tried any of the Maschine workstations? I was considering it since I used Machine with Logic Pro, but decided on the MPC One due to the brand.
@@spitlogic Agree with you that they it should be seamless since they can do it with synthesizers.
I have the Maschine mk3 before but returned it since I noticed a cracking sound in the software, I still got the Mini Mk3 though (collecting dust). I love the workflow. pads and the vast variety of sounds. Then I tried the MPC and never look back. But maybe in the future if they put a battery on a maschine plus mk2, maybe I'll try it one more time.
very usefull comparison thank you!
Good to know. Thanks for the view.
I’m confused on the 404’s midi. do you know if you could connect like a foot switch to it or is it for other instruments?
What I've seen is people use those effects with something like a guitar from the front input. The trigger to change the different effects has to come from the pad. I don't know if you could connect a midi controller and initiate the effects from there. I don't see why not with the midi inputs on it, but I've never tried it myself.
I Use my 404Mk2 with my MPC KEY61 & LiveII The 404 is a Swiss Knife for me in production.
I like that comparison. Swiss Army Knife. A multi tool.
I own a mpc studio black and I wanted a mpc one but it made no sense to upgrade just yet because both the studio black and mpc one can do same things inside of the mpc daw minus the fact that the mpc one can be used without a computer I went with the sp404 MK2 and some of my homies use the older sp 404 sx and they love em
I really should get into the older SP 404s. I think the definitely have their benefits.
Here's something that is subtle to me about that Sub Pad.
I came from using a 404SX 8 years straight. When I got the 404MK2, I noticed old habits from the SX; the MK2 would expose.
I tend to rest my big ass palms at the bottom of the 404 while I'm trying to build an idea . So that slight tilt the 404MK2 has makes me hit the Sub Pad with my palm like ALL THE TIME. 😂
The SX is a little taller and wider, so I never accidentally hit that Sub Pad lol
It's hilarious. I'll be resampling a drum rhythm idea, and I'll randomly hit that mufuckin Sub Pad again lol
That shit took a little bit of a minute to get used to 😂🤣.
Part of me wishes I’d known about the SPs prior to the MKII. Actually, it wasn’t about me not knowing about it but more about me not feeling confident to try it out. Now I love it and am curious about the workflow of its predecessors. Maybe I’ll get one and see if my habits with the MKII can cause something similar to what you’ve done.
There is no comparison between the two. The MPC has been what its been for 35 years, its a midi production center I had the sp404 mk2 when it first came out. Its cool and I felt handicapped with it compared to MPC's
That's a very fair comparison. I would agree. The SP404 is an instrument. The MPC is a workstation.
Mpc and Sp-404 mk2 perfect combo
I have to do some work to figure out how I'm going to use both of them. Right now the MPC is my workstation and the SP 404 is my playstation.
I have a Force and recently got the SP..... now I am starting think about getting the One instead.. means I can keep in the Akai MPC environment when travelling and then finishing up on the Force.. the Sp is a totally different work flow..
I agree. I think they are actually very different and, unfortunately, hard to make compatible. This is the second time I've heard the Force being named. I may have to look into it.
The Force isn't perfect but it is a beast for the money... if you see a 2nd hand one at a good price grab one!
So I spent more time on the SP and got a beat together but I am missing keygroups/syths etc... If I want to add variation to a sample in a pattern I have to resample it which is tedious.... Now for an OG producer used to sample based sequencers it's a powerhouse because of the shear amount of sample slots, patterns and pattern length.. but as for sound design it's just not there in-box which is fine because it's not supposed to be a mini MPC but I sure wish it was@@spitlogic
My theory is that Roland is going to come up with a compliment to the MPC based on the MKII. I think they are using the SP 404 to get the workflow right. Just my theory. I will be on the look out for the Force. I am always trying to expand. @@DJCJ999
Well spoken sir!
Thanks. I appreciate the support.
In capable hands both are great. However the 404 is about 200 dollars cheaper at 499 vs the MPC-1 which is 699
I think there are very few who can master both. Those individuals are amazing to me. I see some who use them both, but would use the 494 just for effects. It's difficult to use both effectively.
Let me make sure I’m picking up what you are putting down. For a hundred dollar difference I can get a full color screen that is 7 or 8 times bigger, I can use just about any storage device I want to, I’ll have larger pads, more effects, more effects per sample/track, I can control and integrate with external USB audio devices (like mixers), I can attach a multiport MIDI controller and control 16 devices, I can take it with me to the same places I’d use a 404 and use the MPC…
For $100 more….
There MUST be some things that the 404 does that the MPC can’t.
You didn’t cover any. You mentioned the buttons on the MPC. The ONE is designed so that you can access everything through buttons just like the 404.
So I’m curious…
How exactly am I going to be less creative and less productive?
Another point, why is this a “vs” video. One is a production studio, the other is made with live performance in mind. You’re comparing a Honda Civic to an Escalade and saying that “obviously the Honda is better…” They aren’t designed for the same consumer, they do similar things, but not the same thing….
I own both a Live II and a 404 MKII. I don’t do the same stuff on them. I use them together.
Some things you might want to know. The rectangular USB port (USB-A) is called a Host port. The MPC would be acting as the host for whatever peripheral is plugged in. THAT’S the one peripherals connect to. The OTHER USB port (the orange one) is a USB-B port. It allows the MPC to act as a “client” or a peripheral. This is where the computer connects so that you can transfer data back and forth between the MPC and the computer.
I don’t agree with any “X is better than Y,” conclusion. They are two completely different devices. Maybe in your next video, show how to use them together to compliment each other.
You make some good points. I would say that on paper the MPC should blow the SP 404 out of the water, but its something about the SP 404 that doesn't quite convince me (yet). I'm new to the MPC and am still learning how to use it and even more; I want to figure out the best way to use it with the SP 404. Right now I'm still on team Roland, but I got the MPC because I know the SP 404 is very limited. You have to also understand that the SP 404 is my introduction to using gear (after using DAWs exclusively) and the DAW-likeness of the MPC can be a turn off. In the end, once I am able to utilize both proficiently, I think I will be able to make some great music.
@@spitlogic my initial post may have been a bit over the top. If that’s the case I apologize. I’ve seen a lot of versus videos where my first question is, “why not use them together?”
And invariably I find videos that do that.
A year ago I would have warned you away from an MPC. Akai had a series of “updates,” that were downgrades. The year before that I’d have likely fanboi’d the MPC.
It’s great that you got in to music because of the 404. My mistake was going and buying things everyone said I needed. Right now my daily drivers are an MPC1000, SP-555, LoFi-12, and a QY-70.
And I’m having fun.
The Live 2, 404 mkII, and other hardware sit waiting for their turn.
I almost let everyone’s opinion ruin what I actually wanted to make.
I hope I have not been overbearing.
Make your music, enjoy your journey, discover what matters.
@@EverettVinzant it's all good man. I rarely have issue with anyone who speaks their heart. I appreciate the honesty as well as the directness of your statements. That's why we're here right? This is a public platform where people should feel comfortable expressing their perspective.
I love my MPC One but I have been thinking about sending on it because I dont use it for the very reason I bought it which is to take it everywhere... I travel for work a lot and wanted something to keep with me at all time. (I tried carrying a controller and interface for my laptop with me but found I never really got round to using it... too much like work after a day of... well work)
The trouble is I find the MPC still a bit too big to carry everywhere which leading me to wonder if the 404 might suit my needs better.????..... I bassically want to have fun mucking around with sounds on my travels and then take back to my studio/shed....
Saying that tho I have been using my MPC quite a bit at home with my other midi gear..... Trouble is I love BITWIG for that and the MPC seems unesecary....
I hope the new MPC OneMk 2 (or whatever its called) is much thinner with buttons that push in flush with the surface so it slipps into bags much easier.... I would probably be well happy with it!!!
I also, hope they sort the desktop software out because its not great TBH....
That portability of the 404 is perfect. I have used it on planes and found an adapter that plugs into usb for power. It’s not a workstation like the MPC, but it’s a great instrument at home and on the go. I would be curious to see if the new MPC can rival that.
@@spitlogic I am now having multiple internal debates with myself..... I dont really want to sell my MPC but I dont have it with me right now while working away all summer as I couldnt fit it in my bag!!!!
@@nothingmemorable486 The 404 would definitely be something you want due to its size, the battery power option, and (in my opinion) simplicity of use. Can two things be true at the same time? Can you try out the SP 404 this summer and them come back to your MPC when you get back? Maybe even sell your 404 (if you choose) later on. You could also keep it and have the two options.
Did you download the latest plug-ins for the MPC?
As of the beginning of January I did. Which plug ins are you talking about?
@@spitlogic all that’s available.
@@crazzylee I think I did. I downloaded everything that was on the registration page. I'm pretty sure its all of them...pretty sure.
@@spitlogic I ask because now that the MPC has the ability to use sound and FX plugins it is like comparing apples to oranges. That’s bananas to make a comparison.
The 404 can now read 1TB cards.
Yes. Love that new feature for the SP!!
@spitlogic I'm not sure that I would like to store so much data on one card, though. I max at 256 and back up to that size.
Id go for the mpc even low i prefer a more sampler based workflow rather than a daw style work flow but the mpc is the industry standard.. the 404 is badass but the mpc has more features id be happy with either but if i had to choose id got for the m.p ..alot of people think the sp404 is only for lofi hiphop but it can make anything iv even heard people make full on trance with it with full on gated arp themes and sounded as good as anything made on a daw.. but the moc can do everything the sp can do but theres things the mpc does that the sp cant
I can agree with that. It comes down to personal taste and your goals in music making. I think the Factory of time comes into place too. How much time are you willing to spend honing your craft.
Two very different machines.
Yes indeed.
Slaughter of the lambs.
Mpc one in mint condition used at 500.00? See no place for sp over mpc unless used sp 404 pricing drops to 250.00. New vs new, maybe 404 if on budget. Mpc is worlds more capable. Not even in same league. Good review though. Very helpful.
I would say budget and taste play a lot in the factors. They are marketed as similar devices but I agree that the differences are huge.
yo crazy my mpc one with FW 1,24 boots in less than 20 secs
Interesting. Looks like a lot of improvements have happened since I first posted this video.
Apples & Oranges. It's like comparing a bike and car, 2 very different modes of transportation. You contradict yourself several times. As on 17:30 & 19:10 you say MPC has "a lot more versatility as far as effects" then you say 'it lacks in effects'.
I agree. They are very different in a lot of ways, though it seems with the new update Roland is trying to make the 404 more work station friendly. I misspoke. What I meant t say was plug ins, not effects. Thanks for the view and for throwing in your two cents.
SP404has better effects.
I am almost amazed at how powerful yet easy those effects are on it. I can't think of any sequencers that even come close. The effects will definitely be integrated with my MPC. Workflow.
@@spitlogic
Roland seems to have it's effects game all figured out. Nonetheless, I still use a MPC because it does everything else I need well. Autosampling. Deeper sequencing, onboard synthesizers, and doesn't feel like I'm painting the walls of the hall through a mail slot.
Since Akai's new paid FX plugin called Flavor Pro, this has become debatable. I've seen plenty of reports from users that don't rely on the SP 404 MKII for effects anymore.
@@Drrolfski 🤔
2:08 that is the same as saying left hand drive cars are made for right handed people...Silly.
Nah. That's a bad comparison.
i wish i can unwatch the first 5 minutes ;-;
What what?! Why? I need context.
the sp 404 aint even close. It boils down to work flows. if you like all the extra steps with an old school feel, the Roland is the go too. I use to use the Roland work flow in early 2000's through other gear. Anytime you have to plug other devices to the system to generate sound, its an old school way of doing things. And it sucks once you've experience Close to Analog. Now the Roland does have a few stock sounds and you can bring sounds in through a sd card. Boring!!!!!!
The Mpc is a more like new school boxed keyboard. Everything you need in the box straight up. Dont get it twisted. There Roland is like throw in the bag and go for producers. But in the long run you'll need other equipment to set the mood. If you only use the Roland without outboard gear and heavy midi, your beat will sound like IM BAD" LL cool J, or some drum loop base beat with no melody. I see a lot of believers praising the Roland, but I beg to differ them saying its close to being better than a old school mpc, let alone a mpc live, or mpc one. What you'll find is people trying to nit pick and force themselves to believe the Roland is a cold piece of equipment. All top notch equipment has a learning curve. You think J dilla picked up a MPC and made a hit on the first day. He learned the equipment and turned it into a instrument. Y'all need to stop the cap, the Roland is boring unless you plug up a lot of crap to it. I hate all the steps you have to do when making beats in the Roland.I have to take a nap after making beats on it. I felt like I was on my DR. 5 back in the day. With only 2 gigs for saving beats. The Roland only uses a 32 gig for storing your stuff. The mpc one is quadruple that
That's the primary reason why I got the MPC One. I needed to do more than what I'm currently doing and I had no taste to use Logic Pro. I would disagree that the SP 404 is boring. Its limited. Its old school, but for me, it far from boring. I love it. So performance and options, the MPC beats the SP 404 by miles, but if I'm going by my heart, then I will likely go with Roland on this one.
@@spitlogic i totally understand. It seems like a nostalgia thing. I just sold all my Nintendo stuff. For the life of me, I couldn’t come up with a reason to keep all that stuff other than it reminded me of my child hood and it was worth a few dollars. But compared to my ps5, Xbox and switch, it was nothing else to convince me to keep them. But I get it. But once you go Logic Pro x, fl studio, ableton, mpc live 2, you’ll be using the Roland 404 as a paper weight
The funny thing is I started with DAWs in the early 2000s. The MK2 is my first non computer beat maker. I still am a fan of Logic Pro but have not had the taste to open it since I got the MK2.
@@spitlogic dang. Y’all different. It’s crazy how times are going back to analog. But ok, I did the analog thing growing up. I spent more time plugging and unplugging devices than creating. It took me a while to adjust to the digital world all in a box creating. Now I’m hooked on the faster turn around of creating and flushing ideals. It’s faster and more efficient for me
Do you want know the real difference? the mpc is a daw, the 404 is a toy... 🤣
My favorite toy.
Literally has zero clue
The SP is a sampler. The MPC is so much more... But they both are good for their intended uses. Definitely not a toy 🤷🏾♂️, but to each their own?
For me, I've played both and so have experience, the MPC is an okay DAW in a box, but the SP-404 is an instrument made for creating not producing. I think both can be good, but I personally find calling an SP-404 a "toy" shows a limit in spontaneous creativity. But, to each their own, I mean I make Industrial Metal on Reaper with samplers and have tried many irl samplers, but the SP-404 is the only one I can get along with :))
@@spitlogicyeah same here. After all i got both and love them❤
The only shame thinks in 404mk2 is 32gb limitation storage and missing channel mixdown function.
Wouldn’t it be interesting if Roland made an MPC like device?
@@spitlogic They did look at the latest attempt with the Verselab by Roland . Then look at these devices th-cam.com/video/eynHTM-2-1I/w-d-xo.html
...and to be fair if what heard around the internet is true that AKAI is going to release a MPC LIVE mini wit the help of a third party it might be a wrap for the sp-404mk2 . The mk2 is messing features when it comes to sampling aspect .
@@spitlogic 🌋. It brilliant idea. But. Akai has strong community, but weak size is bad support and feetback.
Today (imo), music equipment brands has marketing and profit orientation. Users in 2nd place. It can destroy even potential good products (for example, Pioneer SP-16 - crashing by project managers, who not entered DELETE SAMPLE funcion (⛔), and slow updates, bad support).
So, todays Roland has bad manager team for production gears. And better if Roland will not do this (mv-1, mc 101 - dead products , victim of marketing).
Good managers = fell in love to music making. If Roland will create team with this option - they could try, and maybe we will see new beast (new 8800 mk3) who 'll kick Akai ass.🤣☝️
Well allegedly with the latest updates that’s all possible now