Also just want to shoutout my boy @shyguyworks who helped me out with this video, compiling footage for me. He is super talented at making WWE edits. He just made one for Seth Rollins and its a banger, check him out ❤www.youtube.com/@shyguyworks/videos
I still don’t care about or like Roman he still over pushed he still overrated. And he is just the worst people like him noe just cause he turned heel I never liked him and I never will
@@d4b0o5t5 in 2015 with the open challenges and cena out the main event the fans liked him again. And 2017 the fans knew cena was on the verge of going to the Hollywood full time.
I’ve been saying this for years, that was the perfect time for the company to turn Roman heel. Just imagine if we had the tribal chief gimmick at that time that would’ve been phenomenal. It would’ve amazing to see, but nope, WWE for some idiotic reason kept him as the corny, bland and uncharismatic babyface with the fans resented and that’s all because of that idiot Vince McMahon. Way to go Vince, way to go.
@@rugalthreesixteen6812 man that would sck but we got the Tribal Chief is the best thing ever happened to the history of the entire universe, Omniverse all Existence ☝️🔥
Ironically, Roman's redemption arc as a villian is so much more influential and admiring to the youth. Anybody can be a face, but a good/intimidating heel is very rare.
@@docoak17 yes this is true. People grow bored, tired of baby face super heroes(Hogan in the 80s, Super Cena) with no human factor, story arc, lack of struggle, a reason to go to the dark side despite it being for the right reason(example Thanos) or anti hero. This is what made Austin, CM Punk, and The Rock for examples compelling back in the day. This is also what happens when WWE uses TV writers as opposed to wrestling bookers who can make storylines that make sense and allow the wrestler to improvise and tweak their own characters.
According to Heyman in a recent interview, the Baron Corbin feud is what broke Roman. That feud is what made him put his foot down and demand that he turn heel. Baron Corbin is the reason The Tribal Chief exists. Think about that.
tbh no he didnt, he js was milked by his sugar daddys in the pandemic and wwe couldnt find someone to beat him. thats why the bloodline story was so important at wrestlemania
Being a Roman Reigns fan during his Big Dog era was a wild ass time, blud. I was on Tumblr for like five years fighting for my life trying to defend Roman and his push lmao 😂
TBF. Where I can see the valid complaints on why some fans don’t like him. You can also clearly see how many of them were just following the opinions of others. Some wrestling fans are just sheep. Following the opinion on what most other people say because it makes it the easiest for them to think and to be accepted. Not just with Roman but with a lot of things in the industry.
Cancer, Covid and Character depth are why Roman got to where he is. The first two gave him time away from the audiences gaze like we'd seen for like 6-8 years. The last gave us the opportunity to see him completely differently because he ACTED differently.
Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
God, to see how far he’s come in six years. I’ve always wanted to like Roman. Always thought he could be that man, but management never knew what to do with him. Even if the Bloodline saga has ran long in the tooth, I feel glad that this is his legacy now and not the past six years. And all it took was a pandemic bubble period and a hiatus to do so.
booked to perfection. He was massively over then with the younger audience he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
I’ve always said that the heat Roman got was more so directed at Vince and the booking than Roman. Yeah sure he got the brunt of it all but it was more because it seemed like Vince ran the shows with this “you’ll take this and you’ll like it” mentality. The material was nothing like what we loved (or loved to hate) growing up. Edge, Jericho, Brock, Big Show, JBL, Booker, Eddie, the list went on and on. There was no one guy. Even with super Cena, there was Edge, there was Randy, there was Triple H and Shawn. RVD and Jeff Hardy. But with Roman? Everybody had fall to him and there was no legit reason as to why aside because this is what Vince wants. Bray, Balor, Samoa Joe, didn’t matter who you were unless your name was Lesnar. Still find it so baffling that Reigns and Lesnar did something no other wrestler has done ever no matter how talented they are. And do you know how bad you gotta be at booking to get the crowd to cheer Baron Corbin over Reigns? Vince made every word Punk said about him and the company in that pipe bomb true. Worst part is, to this day it still reigns(see what I did there?) true. Just the sight of Vince at a show can ruin the entire production. That man showed his face once and we have not seen or heard from Bray Wyatt since. Now, there’s all this talk about injury and what not and him possibly returning but I think this is one hell of a coincidence and I think he don’t wanna come back but that’s just me.
A prime example of no matter how great the talent is, if the creative team don't use it properly and carefully build up, it's gonna be a limping train wreck.
He didn’t have the talent yet tho lmaoooo. He needed those years to groom into who he is now lmaooo. His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
@@whopp1069he did not need those years at all non of that even pushed him to become tribal chief like his mic skills over 4 years didn’t improve at all he was always a good wrestler even with the shield so there was little to improve on that front he had the look and with the shield some of his promos were mid but his deep voice and how he was the silent killer especially when the shield was heels like eveything the tribal chief is he already had when the shield were heels just less refined so no he suffered for 6 years for littlery no reason
That's one of the reasons why I speculate he getting such a long run with the WWE title and universal titles as maybe this is to make up for the years they missed. Also because he's just that good 👍🏿
@@simplyfig3942 bro did not watch the entire video or WWE he can play a face he's shown he could before all the way at the beginning with the shield and a little bit after. It was 80% WWE that messed him up.
@@DaynNight1234 what promos as a face did he give saying “this is my yard” doesn’t count or saying “believe that” the best promo he ever did was when he had cancer again. Look at dolph that man took a cheerleader gimmick and made it work Cody with stardust made it work no excuse
@@simplyfig3942 "Cody with stardust made it work" Cody wasn't at the top of the card and being pushed as the face of the wwe. No one who isn't an absolute fucking God on the mic can make "suffering succotash" work at the top of the card, especially since he was using it in a serious promo. He could only get over when him and Paul put their foot down and let Roman play the character he wanted to play. Your comment is like saying if the rock was that good he could have made Rocky malvia work. Some gimmicks are just dogshit.
I’m glad he’s finally found his footing in WWE and now has an interesting character. I was shocked when he came back at Summerslam 2020 and turned heel. He’s been doing great since and he definitely should’ve turned heel a lot sooner.
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍 if he would’ve turned heel sooner it would’ve been shit.
Exactly. Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
I actually liked Roman in 2017 tbh, consistently solid feuds(KO and Braun especially) and matches along with slight tweaks in his character to the point where he was pretty much a tweener, leaned into the boos more and was more ruthless
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
Vince always knew it would be a bounce back that’s why he booked it perfect. And he was still over as a face. Just needed time to grow to his full potential and it’s what he did. Perfect booking
You could tell Seth and Mox were never that happy with the two Shield reunions. Both broke out as singles stars but kept getting glued back to Roman so people would organically cheer for him
@@painvillegaming4119 it is quite literally what visually and what was said. Are you good? Too much marking out for Seth Rollins? you OD on AEW? Are you okay?
@@terryprice1691 lol depressed from what people booing you. Roman wouldn’t be a successful wrestler if boos got him depressed tf man beat cancer but boos make you depressed not everyone is weak like you
@@pleaseshutup7053 Oh watch out guys we got a badass over here lmao I bet you’re one of those mfs in real life that would flinch as soon as I would buck up to you get tf out of here bro 😭💀💀
Roman Reigns’ run between 2014-2020 was unfortunate because he was pushed at the worst possible time(s) and WWE gave him crap material that made him a goofball babyface rather than a naturally charismatic silent badass. Thank goodness they found the right formula and thus the Tribal Chief was finally unleashed.
You honestly weren't in small minority. Regardless of his reactions, Roman was a heavy merch mover and you'd often hear the criticism of "Only women and kids like him"(which was always ridiculous acting like they don't count as real fans lmao or the worst version of "indian fans like Roman" type nonsense) Which is really remarkable considering how awfully miscast he was in that role. But he still had a sizable fanbase because many did like him and/saw his potential.
ITs funny how the same fans that booed Roman are now cheering him while the same fans that booed him were the same fans that litterally told me and several others to kill themselves just for dareing to like Roman....It really wasnt fair for us that wanted to like something
if they were smart and willing to play the long game. This would have been 100% the way to do it. Corporate Rock all over again Funny part is, they ended up playing the super long game with the dumbass method they went with🤣
@@WrestlinGifs Literally him or Dean made sense. Dean would work if Shield was given a longer time to live and I never thought Seth would be the rat compared to Roman since he's Vince little project.
Well, in 2015, Triple H mentioned (in kayfabe) that the Authority strongly considered utilizing Roman to break up the Shield instead of Seth. In other words, booking thought he was the better choice to build as a mega-heel.
@@WrestlinGifs true, although I would say Seth benefited the most from it, as it gave him his own character and launched his heel turn. It also would make sense that the architect would be the one to know how to destroy the shield
Let's be honest here, the only reason why Roman is great as it is now is because of the rise of AEW and fans who turns in WWE at 2019, because the scariest things is if it wasn't by these two factors, we might still get a Big Dog and Babyface Roman instead of The Tribal Chief and Heel Roman.
The thing is looking back at this, I get why wwe pushed him fast because he was over with the shield and you know the quote "strike while the iron is hot". Look at what aew did with wardlow. They had their next big star right there after his MJF feud, but aew didn't want to push him yet and put the world title on him, so his momentum got lost. So looking back, I can understand why vince did it
@@pleaseshutup7053 Correct. Roman was always hand picked to be the guy. Mox (Ambrose) and Seth were there to make him look good. Luckily for them, the group as a unit got over because their styles meshed.
@@mattc060793 not true, they gave dean us title runs, only title's roman won on the shield were tag team title's, what they tried to do was hide his lack of promo skills, bc dean and seth were much better at cutting promos at that time
Another amazing video pav I have been watching frkm the begining. You have to be one of if not the most consistant content creator on the platform. Not just a good wrestling youtuber but a great wrestling youtuber.
I actually didn’t hate or dislike Roman Reigns from 2014-2020. In fact, I loved it so much. He was just so fun to watch. I loved watching Roman every week when I was a kid. Idc what anyone says, Roman Reigns from 2014-2020 was great.
ya , i mean i started watching wwe in 2015 and you won't believe , at that time i saw lot of great stars like Randy, Bray,Seth,Dean ,Jericho and all but when i for the first time saw Roman i couldnt resist to make him my leader of wwe , i dont know what other people say , also one more fact its a lie that all people used to boo him , no , that's not true i literally used to observe audience every single week and except a few thumbs down i used to see people cheering and infact that was kind of one of reason i kept on liking him .And i hope one day Big Dog will be back , very soon , may be 2024 summerslam or something.
@@hustler2001 WWE would often edit the boos out and replace them with cheers for the televised product, I didn't hate Roman Reigns, his run 2015 to 2017 was somewhat good, but even I have to admit, 2018 and 2019 were complete crap, he had pointless feuds with Corbin, Bryan, Joe, have Dog food smeared all over him, it wasn't a very nice period
The only thing that was good for him prior to his Tribal Chief run was when he was with the Shield. Everything between that, he was awful. “Suffering succotash?” Okay, first of all, that’s Sylvester’s catchphrase. And secondly, what the heck is succotash? But the worst moment for him was when he beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania 33. Nobody liked him after that. Remember that Raw after? He came out and he got the kind of heat that not even the most evil heel would ever want. They booed him, the cussed at him, they chanted other Superstars’ names, it was terrible for him.
What the sucess of Roman reigns tells us is that WWE should offer more creative freedom to their wrestlers especially on the mic. That'll allow them to connect with audience better as due to heavy scripting most of stars fail to connect with the crowd as they don't feel genuine or authentic.
The worst part about the run was all the stat padding they did for him and the many of superstars momentums sacraficed to help build the Lesnar vs Reigns fued.
The Reigns-Lesnar feud is just cringe every single time. They need to put this one to rest and never open up that grave again. The last match they had was a decent one, but the whole feud was just terribly bad, and they all knew it...except for Vince who kept it going in spite of the fans because he knew his crew would say yes or get fired.
I somehow think that deep inside that Tribal Chief is not Vince's Vision for Roman, I can almost tell that deep inside Vince still prefers The Big Dog Character.
@@cmsjr2001 True, i always think that tye Big Dog is really Vince McMahon, using Joe as his avatar and Roman Reigns as the user name in the past. I did not know though that Roman himself was getting sick of his old gimmick.
I was like 8 years old when this whole Roman push started and I was to be like why the fans booing him but as I got older it made more and more sense glad that Roman is in a better position today than 7-8 years ago
Roman Reigns was the perfect guy to become the face of WWE following Cena. He had the look, the natural aura, he was great in the ring, had a more edgy look/presentation than the overly kid-friendly Cena and was improving at a fast rate. Then WWE decided to strip away everything that made Roman Reigns special, prevented him from finding his own identity after the shield and pushed him at the time everyone wanted to see Daniel Bryan win the rumble
Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
@@whopp1069 I highly doubt Vince intended Roman to be booed as a babyface. He wanted Roman to be the top babyface of the late 2010s but instead he was in an awkward position where he was built up as the best wrestler in the world while being reluctant to give him a title run longer than 2 months
Alot of people were picking on Reigns. He ALWAYS delivered. He always was a great in ring story teller. It was Cool for the nerds to boo the cool guy. Imo, Roman was picked on by IWC..... Nothing he's doing now surprised me....
@@acceptable1609 not true at all. I've been to shows.... House shows did not boo him like that.... It was the being on tv effect and it became extremely popular to boo, just to "be heard"...
He always had it but the people hatwd that he was going to be another Super Cena but the Tribal Chief is easily one of the best WWE characters of all time.
Should have given the record to the next monster not a wrestler you are trying to get over I remember for years Kane’s dominant performance was brought up. I don’t even know what royal rumble Roman did that at congratulations they just made it mean less
@@pleaseshutup7053 it was 2014, the rumble batista won, many will remember it for 2 reasons, bc it would the first time someone has really booed a top main event star guy who won the rumble, and 2. it would one of the rare times roman was cheered and was hoped for winning the rumble, though I agree, roman shouldn't have ever had the record, I actually really do agree with the way you summed it up, use it to build the next beast guy, at least roman has 2 title's now as a way of respect, and held it for long
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 wow no wonder why it’s pretty much forgotten he did it at one of the worst royal rumbles. That’s what made Kane’s performance so iconic it was at arguably the greatest royal rumble ever. Records don’t mean anything in wwe since it’s scripted what makes them mean something is the stories told with them. The story told with Roman is that he’s getting a super push. When wwe was consistently building new stars in the past it would take a year or 2 of fans begging for a push to finally push someone to the top now www pushes whoever they want sometimes the fan favorite gets punished for getting over
What left a sour taste in peoples mouth about Roman in 2014-2020 was the big void of stars we had because no one was getting the chance to shine like Roman was. Everyone felt like they were being sacrificed solely for Romans benefit. The 2 stars that I guess made it thru were Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens. Nowadays Triple H is tryna remedy that by building stars but man if only others were built up like Roman back then
@@ITSHIM1294 how was intellectual savior of the masses a comedy gimmick? It’s one of the best gimmicks of the last 10 years and wwe took it seriously until he cashed in mitb
@@ITSHIM1294 they gave him mitb are you dumb? That’s why it was a legit miss read again the gimmick got legit over better than expected then vince squashes because Batista was returning and he wanted to do Batista vs orton so there was no time for him to be champ they were unifying the titles. Vince was so dumb instead of doing Batista vs Brock lesnar and cena vs undertaker
Hot take: That silent assassin role Roman was playing made him look a lot like Taker in '97-98. (to me, anyway) And that's what worked for Taker all those years. He'd cut some decent promos but most of his dialog was just one or two threatening lines, and the rest was just kicking ass. That's what I saw in those years of Roman as well during the shield. Not the same, but similar. And I definitely agree that the slow build would have been great. But Vince got his rapey, gropey hands on Roman's career and defiled it for 6 years. lol
@@BeastNationXIV this is a interesting take but I like it can definitely see the similarities. A shame that they over pushed him when if they waited maybe even for like a year or 2 they could have had there next great baby face
As a day one Shield & RR fan I can appreciate this video of straight facts and seeing The Comeback after The Comeback. Bloodline storyline is one of the best ever in WWE
Kinda weird how quickly they realized the need for a heel turn with the rock and when how long it took for Roman. You’d expect the same company that built up someone of the same bloodline as Roman to realize it sooner (especially the rock to maybe bring it up after it happening to himself).
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍 it was just perfect booking .
Hey Pav, I enjoyed this video because it hits me home while building my TH-cam channel. Me aside. Roman's six years in limbo reminds me of Drew McIntyre's current situation in the WWE right now, since he was regarded as the Chosen One. Just like how Roman was pushed as a generic corporate babyface, in the same way as Drew McIntyre is purged in limbo. So this is a question for you, or anyone else reading this; how would you repackage Drew McIntyre? How would you book his new character to fulfill Vince McMahon's prophecy of Drew being the Chosen One?
I 100% believed Roman's downfall was because CM Punk after his exit told everybody he had to make Roman look strong, and how Roman wasn't picked by him when he was coming up with the Shield
Yeah that was a big part. But hey, Punk just told everybody what Vince was doing, while screwing him over. Not his fault. That's Vince's fault, and all those yes men working for Vince. Folks started to scapegoat Roman though, and keep calling Vince a "genius" like he wasn't the author of a lot of those dumb ideas. lol
@@Xtsy_1989 bro they push Roman hard and put no effort in others....who has main evented wrestlemania since 2015 in the males?besides Roman ,and party timers?
Roman needs at least 3 to 5 more great years for us to forget about 2014-20. Then we can analyze his whole career about how great he really was. You can't call anyone the greatest or even one of the greatest for just good 3 years, especially when you have 6 shit years before that.
@@sbarnett1342 how would he squash hulk if he never wins his matches clean? he is overpushed now, bc the roster cannot cut promos or sell a storyline properly, and roman the guy who was shoved down our throats for too long along with usos and solo and heyman are making them actual money and bringing viewership
Ive been watching WWE religiously since 2009 I've seen the era of SuperCena at it height, Punks 434 day run, Rocks return in 2011 and 3 year WM stretch, Brock murdering people from 2013-2018, and the streak dying. But, nothing hurt my soul watching how Vince dropped the ball with Roman for 5 years. I remember loving the build for Roman & Brock in 2015 then you see the last image Vince gave us on the Go Home show for WM 31 and that's where they starting doing him dirty and it didn't help they tried pushing him during the peak hype for Daniel Bryan. I still say to this day Vince should've turned Roman heel in 2017; Roman in the closing moments of that match with Taker, combined with Taker "retiring", and the 10 minutes of boos the night after just for him to be a babyface....how does that make sense. I kinda knew the Corbin feud was what made Roman put his foot down because that when I was frustrated at Vince then 2020 happened and the rest is history for the better.
I might be unpopular but I always liked Roman. Even in the very begginning of his solo career he showed that he has alot of potential. His very first match vs Brock was da best of them all. He had amazing feud against Aj Styles back in the day. He mainly got that not well deserved Cena/Superman type hate. Ofc he was loved by Vince but always had something special in him that finally erupted.
Holy shit. I never rhought of the Kevin Nash comparsion until now. You super nailed it on why people liked him then and how it failed. And it's true, we LOVED silent killer Roman Reigns. We never even talked together before and universally all understood the appeal.
Unpopular opinion: I liked The Big Dog Roman Reigns from 2014-2016. Sure I know about the bad promos and overpushed, but I enjoyed the matches he had with D Bry, Rollins, Lesnar, etc.
In 2014 he was cheered. It all started the moment CM Punk made that “You gotta make Roman Reigns look strong” comment. And the Daniel Bryan fanboys were a cancer too
When he did the change over Wrestling shouldve took cues from Undertaker. Undertaker said only what needed said, he just showed up to chew bubblegum an kick@$$ an he was all out of bubblegum. Then you got Sting in WCW that said little but wasnt a heel, you had Stone Cold Steve who used slogans, said what needed said drank his drank and wasnt a heel. Roman could've did a turn by saying to everybody that Enough is Enough.. leaving, not being seen, an then showing up to help others out, actions speak louder than words. Then he takes on heels an says little, maybe asks the Crowd "You wajt some More?" Then walking out. WWE didnt need to push Roman so fast as a face, they couldve built up to it.
Kinda funny you reference Diesel wearing a suit on Regis and Kathy Lee when that was Nash’s decision and he got major heat from McMahon for “breaking character” by not wearing his ring attire. WWF wrestlers wore their ring gear on talk shows. Even when Diesel went on in 1993 with Shawn Michaels he wore his ring gear
The Roman Reigns run before 2020 The shield broke up - They try to make Roman the new face Fans found out - They started booing him The Rock helps Roman - The fans boo The Rock Seth steals Roman's chance - The Fans were happy Roman wins the title then gets screwed by Shamus - Nobody cared for Roman They brought back Vince - The fans did cheer him sometimes seeing the potential Roman wins the title back - Fans start booing him again Roman fights Triple H at WrestleMania - Fans cheered for Triple H Seth rivaled with Roman - The fans got behind Seth Roman gets taken out of the main event - Fans still booed him Roman beats the hell out of Undertaker - The fans wished Roman dead Sets up a rivalry with John Cena - The fans begged for John Cena to beat Roman Roman beats Cena and passes the torch - The fans still cheered for Cena Roman reunites with the shield - The fans still booed Roman Roman rivals with Brock - The fans booed BOTH Brock and Roman Roman gets dog food all over him - Roman finally had enough and threatened to quit Roman turns heel - The fans finally love him
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You a time traveler?
Much love bro, thank you! Really proud to have been a part of this :)
I still don’t care about or like Roman he still over pushed he still overrated. And he is just the worst people like him noe just cause he turned heel I never liked him and I never will
You should make a video about you booking Roman Reigns’ run from 2014-2020.
They should have had him tur heel after undertaker match have him win title that summer and created the bloodline
It's crazy how Roman Reigns went from The Hated Hero to Beloved Villian.
Fans were begging for a heel turn
@@pleaseshutup7053 and some of them still complained 😂
@@dwightyboy5324 stop it
@@dwightyboy5324only people who liked the old Roman complained when he turned heel
I love both the babyface and heel Roman reigns.
Crazy thing about the Cena and Roman 2017 feud, the fans were BEGGING for Cena to win.
Because why is that crazy in 2017 the fans liked cena
@@pleaseshutup7053 It was crazy because people didn't want Cena to win that bad since like 2005
@@d4b0o5t5 in 2015 with the open challenges and cena out the main event the fans liked him again. And 2017 the fans knew cena was on the verge of going to the Hollywood full time.
The one time everyone wanted Super Cena to return, this was a reverse Daniel Bryan moment and Roman won despite that
@@pleaseshutup7053 No they didn't, majority of fans were rooting for his opponents knowing Cena was gonna win
They should have turned him heel the night after WM33. Instead of saying “this is my yard now” he should have said “Acknowledge Me”
Definitely 👏👏👏, would've been dope
That would've been sick
I’ve been saying this for years, that was the perfect time for the company to turn Roman heel. Just imagine if we had the tribal chief gimmick at that time that would’ve been phenomenal. It would’ve amazing to see, but nope, WWE for some idiotic reason kept him as the corny, bland and uncharismatic babyface with the fans resented and that’s all because of that idiot Vince McMahon. Way to go Vince, way to go.
But in hindsight, what was wrong about the time he did. What would have been improved if he turn heel earlier. This run of his has been going great.
Tbh this is my yard and just leaving was perfect
What’s scary is that if COVID never happened we might’ve got the same Roman as before.
Oh no question about that, imagine getting the same 1000 length with the cringey big dog character instead
COVID should've never happened cus Millions died anyway
@@rugalthreesixteen6812 man that would sck but we got the Tribal Chief is the best thing ever happened to the history of the entire universe, Omniverse all Existence ☝️🔥
@@MicahBell38 billions of people are nothing against Roman Reigns and people die anyway daily 180k
@@rajveerkanojiya2985 millions shouldn't have to die for entertainment wtf? Lol
Ironically, Roman's redemption arc as a villian is so much more influential and admiring to the youth. Anybody can be a face, but a good/intimidating heel is very rare.
I totally disagree, it's harder to be a good babyface, it's too easy to piss people off now. Everybody seems to love heels.
@@docoak17 yes this is true. People grow bored, tired of baby face super heroes(Hogan in the 80s, Super Cena) with no human factor, story arc, lack of struggle, a reason to go to the dark side despite it being for the right reason(example Thanos) or anti hero.
This is what made Austin, CM Punk, and The Rock for examples compelling back in the day.
This is also what happens when WWE uses TV writers as opposed to wrestling bookers who can make storylines that make sense and allow the wrestler to improvise and tweak their own characters.
People prefer heel Champs these days
🤣how is it hard to be basically an asshole smh
@@docoak17except Roman is not a heel. He is a Machiavellian villain . He has transended the heel domain quite easily.
According to Heyman in a recent interview, the Baron Corbin feud is what broke Roman.
That feud is what made him put his foot down and demand that he turn heel.
Baron Corbin is the reason The Tribal Chief exists. Think about that.
Soooo we should thank Baron Corbin 😂 bitch need to go back to the LoneWolf gimmick since he the reason behind gimmick changes
Whilst I doubt this is true, if it is then it must have been a long road for roman to finally realise that face him would never get over
lol imagine believing anything Paul heyman says he’s a bigger liar and crook than hill hogan
Roman took a major comeback after coming back.
tbh no he didnt, he js was milked by his sugar daddys in the pandemic and wwe couldnt find someone to beat him. thats why the bloodline story was so important at wrestlemania
You got nice words there
@@rydertaylorr 3 millions views on the bloodline video on a Friday night smackdown last year u tried it tho
@@rydertaylorr also 2.5m viewership
@@JACQUEZ2340
Love him or hate him, you got to admit the comeback was incredible to see!
What comeback? He’s in the same position he was during this time
@@pleaseshutup7053 At least when he gets booed, he gets booed as a heel instead of baby face.
@@pleaseshutup7053 he meant after taking break during the pandemic
@@pleaseshutup7053 lol no hez not
@@pleaseshutup7053 he in the same position if u crazy u clearly didn't watch Roman these 3 years
Being a Roman Reigns fan during his Big Dog era was a wild ass time, blud. I was on Tumblr for like five years fighting for my life trying to defend Roman and his push lmao 😂
TBF. Where I can see the valid complaints on why some fans don’t like him. You can also clearly see how many of them were just following the opinions of others.
Some wrestling fans are just sheep. Following the opinion on what most other people say because it makes it the easiest for them to think and to be accepted. Not just with Roman but with a lot of things in the industry.
I can relate 😪
Same
Being a fan of Roman Reigns during that time was kind of like being gay in the 80s lmao.
Same, I was fighting for my life in highschool 😂😂
Cancer, Covid and Character depth are why Roman got to where he is. The first two gave him time away from the audiences gaze like we'd seen for like 6-8 years. The last gave us the opportunity to see him completely differently because he ACTED differently.
Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
God, to see how far he’s come in six years. I’ve always wanted to like Roman. Always thought he could be that man, but management never knew what to do with him. Even if the Bloodline saga has ran long in the tooth, I feel glad that this is his legacy now and not the past six years. And all it took was a pandemic bubble period and a hiatus to do so.
booked to perfection. He was massively over then with the younger audience he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
This actually puts Seth’s recent issue into more perspective. He went back into the shield just for Roman just to not have a title reign for 4 years.
elaborate
I’ve always said that the heat Roman got was more so directed at Vince and the booking than Roman. Yeah sure he got the brunt of it all but it was more because it seemed like Vince ran the shows with this “you’ll take this and you’ll like it” mentality. The material was nothing like what we loved (or loved to hate) growing up. Edge, Jericho, Brock, Big Show, JBL, Booker, Eddie, the list went on and on. There was no one guy. Even with super Cena, there was Edge, there was Randy, there was Triple H and Shawn. RVD and Jeff Hardy. But with Roman? Everybody had fall to him and there was no legit reason as to why aside because this is what Vince wants. Bray, Balor, Samoa Joe, didn’t matter who you were unless your name was Lesnar. Still find it so baffling that Reigns and Lesnar did something no other wrestler has done ever no matter how talented they are. And do you know how bad you gotta be at booking to get the crowd to cheer Baron Corbin over Reigns? Vince made every word Punk said about him and the company in that pipe bomb true. Worst part is, to this day it still reigns(see what I did there?) true. Just the sight of Vince at a show can ruin the entire production. That man showed his face once and we have not seen or heard from Bray Wyatt since. Now, there’s all this talk about injury and what not and him possibly returning but I think this is one hell of a coincidence and I think he don’t wanna come back but that’s just me.
He was basically cena 2.0
The tribal chief should've arrived after WrestleMania 33 itself!
Nah, after royal rumble 2015
He was too young for it to work
@@no-yj2cfagreed the character really works the way it does now because he went through all that he did for better or worse
A prime example of no matter how great the talent is, if the creative team don't use it properly and carefully build up, it's gonna be a limping train wreck.
He didn’t have the talent yet tho lmaoooo. He needed those years to groom into who he is now lmaooo. His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
@@whopp1069 lmaooooo
@@whopp1069he did not need those years at all non of that even pushed him to become tribal chief like his mic skills over 4 years didn’t improve at all he was always a good wrestler even with the shield so there was little to improve on that front he had the look and with the shield some of his promos were mid but his deep voice and how he was the silent killer especially when the shield was heels like eveything the tribal chief is he already had when the shield were heels just less refined so no he suffered for 6 years for littlery no reason
That's one of the reasons why I speculate he getting such a long run with the WWE title and universal titles as maybe this is to make up for the years they missed. Also because he's just that good 👍🏿
It’s because Vince don’t like anyone else
If he was that good he would be able to play a face and multiple story lines. At this point while his story line is good it’s just a one trick pony
@@simplyfig3942 bro did not watch the entire video or WWE he can play a face he's shown he could before all the way at the beginning with the shield and a little bit after. It was 80% WWE that messed him up.
@@DaynNight1234 what promos as a face did he give saying “this is my yard” doesn’t count or saying “believe that” the best promo he ever did was when he had cancer again. Look at dolph that man took a cheerleader gimmick and made it work Cody with stardust made it work no excuse
@@simplyfig3942 "Cody with stardust made it work"
Cody wasn't at the top of the card and being pushed as the face of the wwe. No one who isn't an absolute fucking God on the mic can make "suffering succotash" work at the top of the card, especially since he was using it in a serious promo. He could only get over when him and Paul put their foot down and let Roman play the character he wanted to play.
Your comment is like saying if the rock was that good he could have made Rocky malvia work. Some gimmicks are just dogshit.
I haven't watched and I know this is a cinematic masterpiece
What has always "shocked" me was the difference between his face and heel promo at the beggining of his heel turn
I’m glad he’s finally found his footing in WWE and now has an interesting character. I was shocked when he came back at Summerslam 2020 and turned heel. He’s been doing great since and he definitely should’ve turned heel a lot sooner.
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍 if he would’ve turned heel sooner it would’ve been shit.
@@whopp1069What a mark you are
Failure is the key to success; each mistake teaches us something.
Exactly. Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
Not for roman
“He was going to the top, before he or the fans were ready” well said 👏
Exactly. Perfect
I actually liked Roman in 2017 tbh, consistently solid feuds(KO and Braun especially) and matches along with slight tweaks in his character to the point where he was pretty much a tweener, leaned into the boos more and was more ruthless
never seen a wrestler like roman in my entire life. he really did make wwe cool again all by himself give this man his flowers
Bruh! You got me dying over here with that "beating up an old man" comment 😂! I'm hollering bro 😭😭🤣🤣!
The roman Reigns between 2014-2020 can be described in 2 words.....
"Suffering SUCCOTASH"
😂
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍
Won't say 2014 cuz he was over at that time, 2015 onwards for sure
Fantastic and compelling video mate, so well put.
So glad Roman bounced back from all of this to becoming the franchise player he always was.
Vince always knew it would be a bounce back that’s why he booked it perfect. And he was still over as a face. Just needed time to grow to his full potential and it’s what he did. Perfect booking
You could tell Seth and Mox were never that happy with the two Shield reunions. Both broke out as singles stars but kept getting glued back to Roman so people would organically cheer for him
I don’t see it
@@painvillegaming4119 it is quite literally what visually and what was said. Are you good? Too much marking out for Seth Rollins? you OD on AEW? Are you okay?
@@MattHardyV1 ……huh?
@@painvillegaming4119 It seems like it’s the latter, you poor thing…. awww :(
@@MattHardyV1 ok low your condescending ass tone down and go find the manner you so clearly lacks
Its crazy to think it took a global epidemic to finally get this version of Roman
No it didn’t it took all those years prior without it he doesn’t have the skills to pull it off.
roman should have turned heel right after wm 33 🔥🔥
Kinda feel bad for him having to go through all that, wonder how he felt about it
I’m sure it felt good when Vince handed him those checks
@@pleaseshutup7053Money doesn’t mean everything sadly. You could still get depressed
Deep down I know he wanted to be heel cause the face run wasn’t working
@@terryprice1691 lol depressed from what people booing you. Roman wouldn’t be a successful wrestler if boos got him depressed tf man beat cancer but boos make you depressed not everyone is weak like you
@@pleaseshutup7053 Oh watch out guys we got a badass over here lmao I bet you’re one of those mfs in real life that would flinch as soon as I would buck up to you get tf out of here bro 😭💀💀
Roman Reigns’ run between 2014-2020 was unfortunate because he was pushed at the worst possible time(s) and WWE gave him crap material that made him a goofball babyface rather than a naturally charismatic silent badass. Thank goodness they found the right formula and thus the Tribal Chief was finally unleashed.
Pav just wanted to keep saying the word buffoon😭🤣🤣
Inherently funny synonym for an idiot, I don't blame him lol
And I literally thought that it was John Cena who was going to be the most hated wrestling still I do remember how bad it was for Roman Reigns
John Cena isn't really that hated. Cena is Cena.
At least Cena got over organically (as the Dr. of Thuganomics) and was charismatic so he could navigate the hate.
Honestly I was one the only few that didn't hate Roman back in the day. He wasn't my favorite by any means but I thought he was alright
I did too. I only joined the bandwagon when Roman beat Undertaker.
You honestly weren't in small minority. Regardless of his reactions, Roman was a heavy merch mover and you'd often hear the criticism of "Only women and kids like him"(which was always ridiculous acting like they don't count as real fans lmao or the worst version of "indian fans like Roman" type nonsense)
Which is really remarkable considering how awfully miscast he was in that role. But he still had a sizable fanbase because many did like him and/saw his potential.
@@thetruej7872 same here mate, I cried in my bed after thinking Taker retired 😂
ITs funny how the same fans that booed Roman are now cheering him while the same fans that booed him were the same fans that litterally told me and several others to kill themselves just for dareing to like Roman....It really wasnt fair for us that wanted to like something
They tried way too much to get him over with that McMahon family rivalry from 2015-2016 and 2019
i’m glad i never hated roman it was rough being a fan of him in those days…it’s getting semi rough again but it’s bearable
Glad I always rooted for him too.
He should have been the one to turn heel and break up the shield not Rollins🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️🤷🏾♂️
if they were smart and willing to play the long game. This would have been 100% the way to do it. Corporate Rock all over again
Funny part is, they ended up playing the super long game with the dumbass method they went with🤣
@@WrestlinGifs Literally him or Dean made sense. Dean would work if Shield was given a longer time to live and I never thought Seth would be the rat compared to Roman since he's Vince little project.
Well, in 2015, Triple H mentioned (in kayfabe) that the Authority strongly considered utilizing Roman to break up the Shield instead of Seth. In other words, booking thought he was the better choice to build as a mega-heel.
@@WrestlinGifs 🎉💯 also there was a brief pocket of time from tlc 2015 to royal rumble 2016 he was surprisingly Over
@@WrestlinGifs true, although I would say Seth benefited the most from it, as it gave him his own character and launched his heel turn. It also would make sense that the architect would be the one to know how to destroy the shield
Vince made Roman! Years of getting booed, "F you Roman chants" he never gave up on him, kept pushing
Let's be honest here, the only reason why Roman is great as it is now is because of the rise of AEW and fans who turns in WWE at 2019, because the scariest things is if it wasn't by these two factors, we might still get a Big Dog and Babyface Roman instead of The Tribal Chief and Heel Roman.
Ngl, I was supporting roman during this time, and I can say besides his first run with the shield, I don't think I'd ever booed roman
The thing is looking back at this, I get why wwe pushed him fast because he was over with the shield and you know the quote "strike while the iron is hot". Look at what aew did with wardlow. They had their next big star right there after his MJF feud, but aew didn't want to push him yet and put the world title on him, so his momentum got lost. So looking back, I can understand why vince did it
The shield was over not Roman
@@pleaseshutup7053 yeah roman was a part of shield and hence he was over as well
@@pleaseshutup7053lmfao
@@pleaseshutup7053 Correct. Roman was always hand picked to be the guy. Mox (Ambrose) and Seth were there to make him look good. Luckily for them, the group as a unit got over because their styles meshed.
@@mattc060793 not true, they gave dean us title runs, only title's roman won on the shield were tag team title's, what they tried to do was hide his lack of promo skills, bc dean and seth were much better at cutting promos at that time
Another amazing video pav I have been watching frkm the begining. You have to be one of if not the most consistant content creator on the platform. Not just a good wrestling youtuber but a great wrestling youtuber.
I remember i slowly drifted away from watching wwe for a little while because of babyface roman.
Make a Part 2 - How the WWE finally succeeded with Roman Reigns (2020-2024)
You know how embarrassing it was being a Roman reigns fan since 2014
It was hell
I actually didn’t hate or dislike Roman Reigns from 2014-2020. In fact, I loved it so much. He was just so fun to watch. I loved watching Roman every week when I was a kid. Idc what anyone says, Roman Reigns from 2014-2020 was great.
ya , i mean i started watching wwe in 2015 and you won't believe , at that time i saw lot of great stars like Randy, Bray,Seth,Dean ,Jericho and all but when i for the first time saw Roman i couldnt resist to make him my leader of wwe , i dont know what other people say , also one more fact its a lie that all people used to boo him , no , that's not true i literally used to observe audience every single week and except a few thumbs down i used to see people cheering and infact that was kind of one of reason i kept on liking him .And i hope one day Big Dog will be back , very soon , may be 2024 summerslam or something.
Exactly I loved him even than but that might be because I was Kid
Yeah same
@@hustler2001 WWE would often edit the boos out and replace them with cheers for the televised product, I didn't hate Roman Reigns, his run 2015 to 2017 was somewhat good, but even I have to admit, 2018 and 2019 were complete crap, he had pointless feuds with Corbin, Bryan, Joe, have Dog food smeared all over him, it wasn't a very nice period
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The only thing that was good for him prior to his Tribal Chief run was when he was with the Shield. Everything between that, he was awful. “Suffering succotash?” Okay, first of all, that’s Sylvester’s catchphrase. And secondly, what the heck is succotash? But the worst moment for him was when he beat the Undertaker at WrestleMania 33. Nobody liked him after that. Remember that Raw after? He came out and he got the kind of heat that not even the most evil heel would ever want. They booed him, the cussed at him, they chanted other Superstars’ names, it was terrible for him.
What the sucess of Roman reigns tells us is that WWE should offer more creative freedom to their wrestlers especially on the mic. That'll allow them to connect with audience better as due to heavy scripting most of stars fail to connect with the crowd as they don't feel genuine or authentic.
The worst part about the run was all the stat padding they did for him and the many of superstars momentums sacraficed to help build the Lesnar vs Reigns fued.
The Reigns-Lesnar feud is just cringe every single time. They need to put this one to rest and never open up that grave again. The last match they had was a decent one, but the whole feud was just terribly bad, and they all knew it...except for Vince who kept it going in spite of the fans because he knew his crew would say yes or get fired.
I somehow think that deep inside that Tribal Chief is not Vince's Vision for Roman, I can almost tell that deep inside Vince still prefers The Big Dog Character.
That's your perception
That’s cause Vince viewed the big dog as his pet which he can make him do anything in his power
Yeah, bc the tribal chief persona is closer to who Joe actually is in real life which is why he's over now
@@cmsjr2001 True, i always think that tye Big Dog is really Vince McMahon, using Joe as his avatar and Roman Reigns as the user name in the past.
I did not know though that Roman himself was getting sick of his old gimmick.
I was like 8 years old when this whole Roman push started and I was to be like why the fans booing him but as I got older it made more and more sense glad that Roman is in a better position today than 7-8 years ago
Roman Reigns was the perfect guy to become the face of WWE following Cena. He had the look, the natural aura, he was great in the ring, had a more edgy look/presentation than the overly kid-friendly Cena and was improving at a fast rate. Then WWE decided to strip away everything that made Roman Reigns special, prevented him from finding his own identity after the shield and pushed him at the time everyone wanted to see Daniel Bryan win the rumble
Nope the years he had as a face is why he has the skills to do what he does now without that he doesn’t become who he is . That’s why him turning heel sooner wouldn’t have done anytbing because he still didn’t know how to talk or have as good of character work but was still massively over. He was a top guy in the know fans just booed like they did cena but man don’t forget about the cheers which were massive just go look back. He need that’s grow into the guy he was Destined to full become. Covid wasn’t the reason it was the opportunity 😂😂😂 WWE perfectly booked him to become this amazing heel he is today. Vince knew it all along that’s why Roman is where he’s at.
Your acting like that didn’t happen. It liter happened Vince knew all along
@@whopp1069 I highly doubt Vince intended Roman to be booed as a babyface. He wanted Roman to be the top babyface of the late 2010s but instead he was in an awkward position where he was built up as the best wrestler in the world while being reluctant to give him a title run longer than 2 months
Perhaps on the same level of his cousin, him and Rock have the best character redesign/revivals of all time.
Roman Reigns Look and presentation was already top Tier, he just needed fans to be on his side. He was gettin better and Better.
Alot of people were picking on Reigns. He ALWAYS delivered. He always was a great in ring story teller. It was Cool for the nerds to boo the cool guy. Imo, Roman was picked on by IWC..... Nothing he's doing now surprised me....
It wasn’t just the IWC he would legitimately get booed out of the building constantly.
@@acceptable1609 not true at all. I've been to shows.... House shows did not boo him like that.... It was the being on tv effect and it became extremely popular to boo, just to "be heard"...
He always had it but the people hatwd that he was going to be another Super Cena but the Tribal Chief is easily one of the best WWE characters of all time.
His promos were terrible tf you mean he always delivered
@@pleaseshutup7053 see exactly what im talking about.... His promos were not all terrible
Glad to see a video from u.U posted rarely nowadays, but here for every clip from you.
I didn’t hate Roman back then but I didn’t love him either but when he beat Undertaker and John Cena I couldn’t cheer for him anymore
When Roman beat Kane’s record eliminating 12 men in the royal rumble that annoyed me
@@pleaseshutup7053 records are meant to be broken though
Should have given the record to the next monster not a wrestler you are trying to get over I remember for years Kane’s dominant performance was brought up. I don’t even know what royal rumble Roman did that at congratulations they just made it mean less
@@pleaseshutup7053 it was 2014, the rumble batista won, many will remember it for 2 reasons, bc it would the first time someone has really booed a top main event star guy who won the rumble, and 2. it would one of the rare times roman was cheered and was hoped for winning the rumble, though I agree, roman shouldn't have ever had the record, I actually really do agree with the way you summed it up, use it to build the next beast guy, at least roman has 2 title's now as a way of respect, and held it for long
@@theonlygoodonehere2259 wow no wonder why it’s pretty much forgotten he did it at one of the worst royal rumbles. That’s what made Kane’s performance so iconic it was at arguably the greatest royal rumble ever. Records don’t mean anything in wwe since it’s scripted what makes them mean something is the stories told with them. The story told with Roman is that he’s getting a super push. When wwe was consistently building new stars in the past it would take a year or 2 of fans begging for a push to finally push someone to the top now www pushes whoever they want sometimes the fan favorite gets punished for getting over
Excuse me but...
Am I hearing staying alive by The Bee Gees in the background? If so I'm loving it!
My favorite runs from Roman Reigns were 2012-2013 Shield Reigns and 2020 to now Tribal Chief.
I always believed that reign’s should’ve been the one to betray
Shield not Rollins and join authority
SAME!!! I am still surprised a little to less people think and say that.
Yeaa that would've been sick, a heel reigns from the start
You forgot one little thing, *HERE COMES THE BIG DAWGGG*
What left a sour taste in peoples mouth about Roman in 2014-2020 was the big void of stars we had because no one was getting the chance to shine like Roman was. Everyone felt like they were being sacrificed solely for Romans benefit. The 2 stars that I guess made it thru were Seth Rollins and Kevin Owens. Nowadays Triple H is tryna remedy that by building stars but man if only others were built up like Roman back then
“Couldve went back and stopped 911.” LMFAOO
WWE has failed Roman Reigns more than anyone of this era and because of that, many others have suffered because of it. 😈
Nah they failed Damian sandow. He legit got over twice with 2 different gimmicks but they made him a joke and punished him for some reason
@@pleaseshutup70532 comedy gimmicks with a ceiling. A stunt double…
@@ITSHIM1294 how was intellectual savior of the masses a comedy gimmick? It’s one of the best gimmicks of the last 10 years and wwe took it seriously until he cashed in mitb
@@pleaseshutup7053 took it seriously for a midcard role. Were you really expecting more?
@@ITSHIM1294 they gave him mitb are you dumb? That’s why it was a legit miss read again the gimmick got legit over better than expected then vince squashes because Batista was returning and he wanted to do Batista vs orton so there was no time for him to be champ they were unifying the titles. Vince was so dumb instead of doing Batista vs Brock lesnar and cena vs undertaker
He’s so good NOW I acknowledge his pre pandemic work TODAY
Well sooner or later, you needed to address this thing about Roman Reigns.
Lowkey could have worked as a face if he kept his silent assassin gimmick and they slowy pushed him
Hot take: That silent assassin role Roman was playing made him look a lot like Taker in '97-98. (to me, anyway) And that's what worked for Taker all those years. He'd cut some decent promos but most of his dialog was just one or two threatening lines, and the rest was just kicking ass. That's what I saw in those years of Roman as well during the shield. Not the same, but similar. And I definitely agree that the slow build would have been great. But Vince got his rapey, gropey hands on Roman's career and defiled it for 6 years. lol
@@BeastNationXIV this is a interesting take but I like it can definitely see the similarities. A shame that they over pushed him when if they waited maybe even for like a year or 2 they could have had there next great baby face
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Ever since I saw roman in the shield I knew he was gonna be the guy and I stuck with him
As a day one Shield & RR fan I can appreciate this video of straight facts and seeing The Comeback after The Comeback. Bloodline storyline is one of the best ever in WWE
One of the best wrestling creater I've ever listened to.
Kinda weird how quickly they realized the need for a heel turn with the rock and when how long it took for Roman. You’d expect the same company that built up someone of the same bloodline as Roman to realize it sooner (especially the rock to maybe bring it up after it happening to himself).
Vince knew it . His entire career was booked to perfection. He don’t become this without that is what you guys don’t understand lmaoooo he was green. Even then he was MASSIVELY over he needed those years to grow into the tribal chief could be a better path when it’s all said and done his career is gonna go down as an all time great shield all the way till his career is over. People booed cena too. What WWE does is what happens and why we see Roman at the level he currently is . Gotta love it it’s what’s they do. Failure? Never. He was as selling out manias before tribal chief days go look back at his masterclass at 31. Love it. Nobody in the industry compares to a thing he is doing. This is why WWE continues to dominate this industry year in and year out they create the worlds only true stars in this industry. 😍 it was just perfect booking .
💀😭I was too young and was Roman's biggest fan and then grew up and he turned heel so it's all good💀
Whats crazy is... The blue print was in FCW/NXT...That "its roman reigns time" promo wad literally tribal cheif shit 8 hears prior
Should’ve turned heel night after mania when he beat Taker.
Yoo pav, when night of champions ended I was waiting on the review video for days, and sadly there was nth.
And I know its but plz make a video on it
Hey Pav, I enjoyed this video because it hits me home while building my TH-cam channel. Me aside. Roman's six years in limbo reminds me of Drew McIntyre's current situation in the WWE right now, since he was regarded as the Chosen One. Just like how Roman was pushed as a generic corporate babyface, in the same way as Drew McIntyre is purged in limbo. So this is a question for you, or anyone else reading this; how would you repackage Drew McIntyre? How would you book his new character to fulfill Vince McMahon's prophecy of Drew being the Chosen One?
Bro seriously this might be the best video you ever made no kap this shit shit was so true everything 💯
this is a certified WrestlinGifs masterpiece
Been waiting for this one 👏🏽
I 100% believed Roman's downfall was because CM Punk after his exit told everybody he had to make Roman look strong, and how Roman wasn't picked by him when he was coming up with the Shield
That’s one of the things that added fuel to the fire
It was never a downfall. Lmaooo that’s what y’all don’t understand 😂
@@whopp1069 shiiid I remember specifically the moment that interview came out and the boos that came with it
Yeah that was a big part. But hey, Punk just told everybody what Vince was doing, while screwing him over. Not his fault. That's Vince's fault, and all those yes men working for Vince. Folks started to scapegoat Roman though, and keep calling Vince a "genius" like he wasn't the author of a lot of those dumb ideas. lol
@@whopp1069lol exactly, downfall is quite an overused word
The fact that Vince made him wear lenses just to make him look good is just down right sad
The same Vince who puts 2 belts on him
@@Mega_Collosas this time, it was meant to be, he has every right to have 2 belts, he's literally THE guy in the buisness rn
@@Xtsy_1989 "the guy".. cuz they push no one else .....
@@Mega_Collosas u must be livin' under a rock
..don't tell me u watched WWE during the pandemic and afterwards
@@Xtsy_1989 bro they push Roman hard and put no effort in others....who has main evented wrestlemania since 2015 in the males?besides Roman ,and party timers?
Roman needs at least 3 to 5 more great years for us to forget about 2014-20. Then we can analyze his whole career about how great he really was. You can't call anyone the greatest or even one of the greatest for just good 3 years, especially when you have 6 shit years before that.
ITS A GOOD DAY WHEN GIFS POST!!!!
Great vid pav! Keep it up
Not gonna lie Roman Reigns’ was OVER PUSHED in 2015 to now. It’s obvious that Roman Reigns is Vince McMahon’s Favorite Wrestler.🤷🏻😂
Agreed
They always say he was overpushed as a bayface when now his push is even stronger
@@Mega_Collosas hell if the Tribal Chief was wrestling in the 80s, he would’ve squashed Hulk Hogan. And that’s saying a lot.
@@sbarnett1342 how would he squash hulk if he never wins his matches clean? he is overpushed now, bc the roster cannot cut promos or sell a storyline properly, and roman the guy who was shoved down our throats for too long along with usos and solo and heyman are making them actual money and bringing viewership
They really should’ve brought the tribal chief gimmick after WM33 lowkey
Before they failed numerous of times, now they achieved...
Oh how I missed your videos bro. Thank You.
Ive been watching WWE religiously since 2009 I've seen the era of SuperCena at it height, Punks 434 day run, Rocks return in 2011 and 3 year WM stretch, Brock murdering people from 2013-2018, and the streak dying. But, nothing hurt my soul watching how Vince dropped the ball with Roman for 5 years. I remember loving the build for Roman & Brock in 2015 then you see the last image Vince gave us on the Go Home show for WM 31 and that's where they starting doing him dirty and it didn't help they tried pushing him during the peak hype for Daniel Bryan. I still say to this day Vince should've turned Roman heel in 2017; Roman in the closing moments of that match with Taker, combined with Taker "retiring", and the 10 minutes of boos the night after just for him to be a babyface....how does that make sense. I kinda knew the Corbin feud was what made Roman put his foot down because that when I was frustrated at Vince then 2020 happened and the rest is history for the better.
I might be unpopular but I always liked Roman. Even in the very begginning of his solo career he showed that he has alot of potential. His very first match vs Brock was da best of them all. He had amazing feud against Aj Styles back in the day. He mainly got that not well deserved Cena/Superman type hate. Ofc he was loved by Vince but always had something special in him that finally erupted.
Same here
He basically went to WWE Creative and said: “all right, that’s it! Y’all are my bittches now!”
Holy shit. I never rhought of the Kevin Nash comparsion until now. You super nailed it on why people liked him then and how it failed.
And it's true, we LOVED silent killer Roman Reigns. We never even talked together before and universally all understood the appeal.
Unpopular opinion: I liked The Big Dog Roman Reigns from 2014-2016. Sure I know about the bad promos and overpushed, but I enjoyed the matches he had with D Bry, Rollins, Lesnar, etc.
I’ve been team Roman since 2014 heel or face so I’ve always acknowledged my tribal chief 👆🏻
In 2014 he was cheered. It all started the moment CM Punk made that “You gotta make Roman Reigns look strong” comment. And the Daniel Bryan fanboys were a cancer too
Roman is my fav since 2012 i always wanted him to be dominated top guy no matter what fans do but i can see what other felt. Story should be good
When he did the change over Wrestling shouldve took cues from Undertaker. Undertaker said only what needed said, he just showed up to chew bubblegum an kick@$$ an he was all out of bubblegum.
Then you got Sting in WCW that said little but wasnt a heel, you had Stone Cold Steve who used slogans, said what needed said drank his drank and wasnt a heel.
Roman could've did a turn by saying to everybody that Enough is Enough.. leaving, not being seen, an then showing up to help others out, actions speak louder than words. Then he takes on heels an says little, maybe asks the Crowd "You wajt some More?" Then walking out. WWE didnt need to push Roman so fast as a face, they couldve built up to it.
Roman has come a very long way!
Kinda funny you reference Diesel wearing a suit on Regis and Kathy Lee when that was Nash’s decision and he got major heat from McMahon for “breaking character” by not wearing his ring attire. WWF wrestlers wore their ring gear on talk shows. Even when Diesel went on in 1993 with Shawn Michaels he wore his ring gear
The Roman Reigns run before 2020
The shield broke up - They try to make Roman the new face
Fans found out - They started booing him
The Rock helps Roman - The fans boo The Rock
Seth steals Roman's chance - The Fans were happy
Roman wins the title then gets screwed by Shamus - Nobody cared for Roman
They brought back Vince - The fans did cheer him sometimes seeing the potential
Roman wins the title back - Fans start booing him again
Roman fights Triple H at WrestleMania - Fans cheered for Triple H
Seth rivaled with Roman - The fans got behind Seth
Roman gets taken out of the main event - Fans still booed him
Roman beats the hell out of Undertaker - The fans wished Roman dead
Sets up a rivalry with John Cena - The fans begged for John Cena to beat Roman
Roman beats Cena and passes the torch - The fans still cheered for Cena
Roman reunites with the shield - The fans still booed Roman
Roman rivals with Brock - The fans booed BOTH Brock and Roman
Roman gets dog food all over him - Roman finally had enough and threatened to quit
Roman turns heel - The fans finally love him