I spoke to the EXPERT putting Methyl Bromide on our PALLETS!!!
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I've made stuff from pallets for years and as a point I sent samples from 25 different pallets for testing including shavings from end grain, inside a board, whole boards, drilled out and sent in the saw dust from that drilling and absolutely none of it showed any trace of mb or any harmful substances. So thank you for this! Edit, they were all stamped with mb
I was just about to say "you wouldn't really know unless you tested it". I mean, some guy from the MB industry tells us all "it's fine, don't worry", yeah come on. Great that you tested for MB directly, that gives me some confidence. How much did it cost to get the tests done?
@@AshleyMillsTube I don't really remember, it wasn't as much as shipping cost though. But I shipped a lot of material lol this was probably 8-10 years ago. I want to say it was around 400 total. That was to ship material and for the testing too. Been thinking about doing it again but much smaller pieces just to make sure it wasn't a fluke
@@woodworkingandepoxy643 that's cool, thanks for the response. 400 total! jesus, you really went for it lol Would be great to do it again and make a video about the results. I've never worked with pallets but will at some point. I'll investigate here in the UK where testing can be done.
@@dainermade I can tell you, having worked in the petro-chemical and the chemical industry in general, if anything even remotely harmful gets spilt on a palette, that palette is then sent off to what they call "deep burial" at considerable expense, in toxic waste management dumps.
The really nasty stuff is put deep underground, entombed in concrete.
At least that's what the big boys do. Generally, that's what everyone does.
When I was much younger, one of my first jobs before I left school (some 3 decades ago) was to convert an old 40ft container into a kiln. I got to play with some electronics on an actual project for the first time, however the painting the roof and sides with black jack wasn't much fun, nor was the smell of whatever it was that I had to gerni out of the floor. I assumed at the time it was just the remnant smell of the MB. Though having watched this, not so sure about that anymore.
When I left school, my first real job was working for the same people in a timber shed. There was a big ass cyclone for dust extraction but this was back in the 90's when PPE wasn't even an acronym.
At any rate, I've worked in all sorts of industries, exposed to all manner of VOC's, particulates and chemicals. I'm still here. I've even got two good eyes and ten fingers left! God knows how given all the pedestal and hand grinders I've used in my time without safety glasses, a face shield and the medics on standby. 😉
I’m going to go out on a tangent here but from all I heard it should be fine for burning too right? Maybe not for bbqing but for heating.
As a long time pallet wood worker, I will certainly be saving this video to share with people. Thanks for making it!
I can´t read 307 comments so please excuse me if this has already been said. CN is code for China. CA is Canada. Great video. First time viewer. I´m making a video about making compost with a pallet. Your video was very helpful. Thanks. And oh yes... I´m Canadian.
Perhaps your best ever video mate. Seriously great scripting, topic, execution and usefulness. I'll be linking it every time I do a pallet build! :D
I use pallet wood often in projects. I always pressure wash them before I break them down. I do this mostly for a basic clean up and to get any fine particles from whatever was sitting on them during shipping. It also cleans up the wood from any spillage etc. that may stain the wood.
Mate. I’m about to see someone to be so informative and helpful.
You covered everything so far. From where to get it , what to get, how to get it .
How to take it a part, how to handle it and reassemble it in something spectacular.
Don’t forget about last videos saying also what to do that sell’s easily and get yourself on the game.
Please never stop doing what you do best that is inspiring people like me. I need it. Lol.
Let the hater’s find something better to do
Cheers mate and thank you for your videos
Mark, you're a bloody champion mate! I only came across your clips by accident but have now subscribed to watch the progression and evolution of' Dainer Made'. Your sense of humour and the way you present a project is truly inspiring. Thumbs up from 'The Birches Woodworking', Sandfly Tassie.
Fully agree, was gonna write exactly the same. Since it's already done, I don't need to. Just confirming the same.
Old guy remembers; I was told that MB was called the two step killer. You would smell an onion or garlic odor and the smell would go away. You didn’t smell it anymore because it killed those nerves. Because you inhaled it you would be able to take a couple of steps before dropping to the ground and some other stuff and you died. If you are concerned about residue you could always pressure wash those pallets and let them dry before using.
Thank you and well done. I 'll let you know when I start. I have a deadline for my first project so I better get into gear. Thanks
I started using pallets after seeing you Channel a while ago. This was an invaluable video as I was concerned about chemical in pallets. Now my mind is at ease 👍🏻
On a positive note, I work for a company that uses pallets for shipping, and I’m allowed as many old or damaged pallets that I like! In fact they will deliver a truckload to my home if a want them.
Lucky me 😁
A fan from across the ditch in Wellington, New Zealand 🇳🇿
There are tons of videos on other channels talking about how you should not use MB pallets, but my intuition as a scientist (albeit in botany and microbiology) is much more inline with MB pallets being fine.
I think the science on this one, more than proves it. Most people just read the first google search on pallets, and the info is not correct
Well Done Mate!, I have over 30 years in the trade, and this is the best common sense explanation I have ever come upon, there is so much B*****ks talked by so many people trying to sound clever, it's nice to hear commonsense, if you are a woodworker you are used to managing risks, it's how you stay fit and healthy, I have no breathing problems, and I worked with MDF for years, always with good extraction, dust control and a Mask when necessary, I wouldn't have it any other way, also always wore eye and ear protection, for a risk there is a solution, and anyone who doesn't get that does not belong in a workshop or on site!, also if fumigants did not dissipate, you would need PPE just to handle palletised goods, and foodstuffs could not even be shipped on them, it's not a Coating, it a Gas folks, and you and Andy made the point perfectly , Beaut Job Mate ! Julie from UK
I had concluded the same thing about five years ago when I first started pallet wood working as a hobby. It’s good to hear that the information I previously learned is still valid and confirmed by a professional
Hey Mark, I've been watching your channel for a good while now, and as you can tell by my name, I'm a hippie made of pallets! Ha ha! I'm not really, but I have been making things from pallets and various other "skip finds" and "side of the road" treasures for years now and apart from the fact that I seem to be growing an extra finger, I've never had any trouble! I've also just uploaded my very first video to TH-cam. It's rubbish, and the sound quality is abysmal, but I did learn a lot from the process, so hopefully, my editing skills will have improved for my next offering! Keep doing what you're doing, brother. Peace✌️
Cheers mate, that’s the best way to go. Make a heap of video and just improve on every one
Interesting! Finally an explanation why the campfire smells so bad sometimes x’D
Thank you so much for this video. You have answered everything I have been trying to find out about pallet use safety. I have only just started working with pallets to do the exact thing to make some cash. I’ve worked on farms all my working life so far and I’m sick of making everyone one else rich while I just get by. I know this woodworking is not going to make me rich but if I can make a bit extra money it will help.
Haven’t made anything to sell yet but hope to do that soon.
Thanks again for the help.
Not a problem at all. Woodwork and making cool stuff is going to give you so much more than money 😉
A nice lecture on pallets. And facts. I still love recycling. Keep following the rules. Thanks dude. All the best.
@@dainermade see you. Cheers Mark
As someone trying to start my own business I couldn't be happier with this information. It proves that just because something started out for one purpose doesn't mean it can't be repurposed for something else. If someone is willing to do the work. For the sake of convenience many have become wasteful. Thanks again for the information. 🙂👍
I have used pallet wood when I was in Canada, managed to get a hold of Jarrah and teak in pallets. beautiful to work with and so i made a clock about 45cm tall. Pallet wood can be a ton of more work to use but you can't beat the price
I've made loads of things with pallets including my daughter's lounge chair and a chair each for my niece and nephew among other things. It's my go to wood because it's better than the environment for recycling and upcycling etc. I'm in the UK but always use PPE.
Very interesting. The only pallets I won’t use are painted ones and ones I’ve had obvious spills on them, because you don’t know what chemical that might of been .
Another Stella Video. I worked in container shipping for many years and MB is definitely the international standard.
I only know three species of wood, pallet, scaffold boards, and Other Wood. I’ll carry on using them!👍🏻
Outstanding video mate, nice to see someone using facts not opinions regarding chemicals.
The video we needed! Seen a bunch of these, as most woodworkers using pallets have to keep explaining to the haters that the materials are checked, modified and sealed by the time it gets to the final product! Great explanation as always! ☺️
I think this is the best video I have watched on any subject on TH-cam.
Punchy presentation with accurate facts, pulled together with humour and great delivery. Who would have known it was about pallets?
Fantastic channel, pallet wood is the way forward, keep up the great work, I for one will be watching 👍👍👍👍
You may not have wanted to make this video; but it's likely to be the best / most important one you've done! Fair play!
Love the video, so much good information and what a plot twist! I had no idea that's how it's done. Agree on the fine dust matter, still needs to hook up my bigger machines to a system.
You guys are awesome 🤘
Pallet lover and 💩 polisher here, this is good to know, good info. The pallets I pick up are from company's/business's/people that I know what goods have been shipped on them and I just look for the marks as well. And yeah fine sawdust is the most damaging/dangerous for the lungs, even more so if it's from stuff like mdf or hardboard.
Thanks for the video Dainer! Will share this video whenever needed.
Love the vids man. Thanks for the info. This is exactly what I've been wondering about. Cheers
After 30 years of working with pallets I think that most are safe.
I agree with your statement that it is best to give stains a wide berth.
Have a great day, back to the sawmill.
Regards
Liz.
@@dainermade some of the timbers I have been privileged to work with over that time have been amazing.
I have grabbed pallets just for a 12 inch piece many times.
So many awesome short cut pieces of timber to be had.
@@dainermade I run a sawmilling operation, I hate to see absolutely anything usable wasted.
I'm glad I clicked on this video. I'm from Manitoba (MB).
Thank you Mark I am using pallet wood for making toys. So I was a bit concerned about MB stamp on the pallet, I wasn't going to use them. But I will have a re think now. Thanks again Mark
Will from NSW
Glad it could help! Enjoy mate
The information you're providing is spot on. I'm a Safety guy here in Tennessee and build things with pallets myself. I keep an eye out for those symbols all the time
One of the best information I have ever got from a wood working personal. Thank you so much.
I am pointing everyone to this video when I start my next pallet build!!!!
Great info mate, love your work.
Good info, thanks for sharing.
Niiiiììice, risk free pallet work
Haha. Love your work mate…!!
Great little video!
Great to have this confirmed so succinctly, I have been researching mb pallets and whether there are safe. I was thinking that as a gas it should dissipate after the job was done. Very reassuring to view this vid, thank-you.
Great video, relieved my concerns about using pallets. Thank you
4:40 So many jokes, so little time. Great video, much appreciated.
@@dainermade immeasurable value - I knew to go for HT but given the dissipation characteristics of Methyl Bromide I think I'll grab anything now - one less thing to think about!
@@dainermade I might release a video saying MB pallets are deadly and you should contact me to dispose of it properly if you ever see one in Victoria.
Yes you can polish a turd. Best comment right at the end. Keep up the good work and glad to see a hard worker making some $$$ and reusing old wood!
Awesome info thanks. Super helpful.
Hey brother man I’m from America. I absolutely love working with pallet wood. Your videos are very informative and helpful to get ideas fo future projects. Keep up the good work
cheers mate
Hi Mark, i've been working my way through your channel content. I really like the results you're getting with pallet bricks. I've been working with wood for about 2 years and starting to eye pallets. Thanks for sharing your work and method. Just one note - CN is the country code for China. Canada's is CA. It's not material to your video but i thought you'd like to know. Maybe you were joking and it went over my head - i dunno!
Wow! I have been saying that years that you can't polish a turd. Been watching several of your vidoes the last few days and sir you are correct. You have taken nonthing and me it into something outstanding. Nice work
Yes, dust is our biggest problem
Thanks for that. As a newbie to pallet reclaim it's good to hear.
❤thank you! I just grabbed my first load of pallets and was concerned with all the stamps until now.
Happy days 😆🫡
Hey mate, thanks for this. I'm just starting out woodworking with pallets because of your channel. Love your work , keep ya pecker up.
Thank you. Just starting to pit together a work shop. 1st time ever I have a garden. So I thought a man cave. Wife thought work shop lol.
Interesting!!! Most useful thing I've heard this week I think!
Cheers mate👍🏴🇬🇧
Thanks for putting this video/response together Mark!!
Great tip KNACKERS!!!! Very informative Mr Dainer. I’m impressed! Still won’t stop the haters and your $30,000 dollars worth of tools. But just opens up a whole range of Pallet availability aye. Cheers mate.
Well thanks. That makes the idea of using pallets more err… palatable!
If you can, store wood outside before you go to use it. I personally think all wood can be burned but you have to do it safely. I think letting the rain get a chance to wash the wood is not a bad thing as you never can tell what was stored with the wood previously. For simplicity it’s easier to leave pallets in tact and only break up any that are damaged as the parts can be used for other purposes. I have a rotation system so that I can use wood today that has been left outside and then cut and drilled for burning. I don’t just burn pallets, so that’s why I partly drill them. I do sometimes burn fence posts or similar. I recently used some wood from a keep I have and I wanted to know if it was dry in the core and made a small hole, it was very dry and no trace of moisture. Another reason for a hole is to make the fire work its way through the wood and not just around it. The wood from the keep had been in storage for a year and burned really well, when you get the blue flame off a fire it’s a sign that it’s going well. I managed to burn some wood for 12 hours which is about average but sometimes upto 72 hours if there’s enough wood and it’s going to be cold enough. Another thing to consider is placing wood close to what is burning to help it effectively dry out better, this is handy for end pieces which might have moisture in them. You can turn them if needed but be sure to allow room to get to the fire and to rotate any stuff you are drying out. Logs can be good but you need to be careful and patient with them. A bow saw can give you a good cut and help to be a bit more precise. A chainsaw is scary and if you have never used one be very careful indeed, always wear proper protection and take your time to do the task in hand. If you have other people around you they must know they cannot disturb you as it can result in an accident occurring. When I have wood ready to take to the workshop I grade it and then decide how I will cut it. Some wood will be easy to store if you cut it in half and let the air dry it out. Other wood might need some cutting to size so it can be a regular size, logs for example are seldom the same size. A pen or something similar to stack them in is a way of segregating them, you might find some logs dry well and can be used in 3 months after being cut and stored, other larger logs might require 6-9 months. I work a year a head so that allows me time to make the wood work for me. I rarely refuse any wood as I only use what is locally available and free. I have a system that works and that’s often the hard bit, deciding what to work to. Pallets are ok but other stuff is available and know who to trust. A tree will always be a challenge not just to cut with a manual saw but the wood that it provides too. Good practice gives good results. As a general rule the bigger the wood the bigger the saw.
Mark, that was a very special and important video. You explained it all very clearly. We all need to be aware of these things if we decide to do the pallet dive and really woodworking in general. Good one!
@@dainermade its safe enough to work with but is it safe to burn the scraps?
Excellent
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Great bit of information Mark! Haters are going to hate, even when you share factual information with them. Keep up the great work, looking forward to the next video!!
@@dainermade Oh, I can only imagine what is coming your way! Stand strong Mark!!
Awesome video mate, really informative mate, thanks mate.
Mate that video was incredible!
@@dainermade up until now I’ve been stamping all your good Pallets with MB and wait for you to throw them out haha
Thanks so much. I used pallets to make a mini garden but have been nervous about using it without a liner.
I'm now planning out what tools to get and the size of shed to get started in woodworking. You do good work on inspiring people to make cool stuff out of what some would consider junk or waste.
Keep up the good work sir!
Thankyou. Amazing video and you answered all my questions about pallet safety so many times I have been told about the poisons used on them to kill bugs. I can now show them your video to shut them up. Cheers mate and thanks again regards John 🇦🇺
aweseome video mate! thanks for sharing! really needed to know this stuff. Thanks for taking the timing to do it.
Great stuff!
Great video, mate. This is all about choice, knowledge, and research for makers. People must be responsible for what they do in life. This to me was really informative. I'm definitely no scientist but i'm interested in the arguments. This now encourages me to do my own further due diligence as the only person responsible for my own health and the product that I create is me.
Thank you for this video, you are loved!
2 points, no 3 points. 1, Construction timber is treated with chemicals that last for years do the haters live in houses with wood in them? 2, A number of people believe doing their own research means only listening to people who agree with them. 3, great work, Mark.
Thank you Professor Dainer 🙏, very informative!!
Ha! I make bee boxes and frames for my hives out of pallet wood. I haven’t lost any bees due to treated pallets. The hives in the purchased (clean) timber are doing as well as the pallet hives.
Ethylene oxide is used in a similar fashion. Some people freck out about it, but the molecule breaks down when it huts air. I've seen it used for seasoning for foods all the way to furniture. Super nasty if you breath it in, but the process actually super safe when employed correctly... and super effective.
I appreciate your transparency and your sharing of information. Thank you.
I used to work with MB working with shipping containers, I’d be inside a shipping container an hour after its been fumigated and I never got stiff.
Great video. Thanks for putting it together.
Thank you so much for helping to end the drama about MB pallets!
Interesting side fact: rapeseed fields are a massive natural emitter of MB. Not saying that makes it less harmful, just find it worth mentioning.
Concerning the contamination by spills: The Fraunhofer Institute for Wood Research is working on methods to recycle waste wood that is considered too nasty (due to of wood protection agents etc) and thus is usually burned. They found, surprisingly, that the protection agents usually just penetrate the wood a few millimeters deep and that it therefore could be perfectly recycled if those penetrated mm were removed. Transferred to our matter one might conclude, that sending the stuff through a thicknesser might go a long way if in doubt.
@@dainermade Hey! The research was conducted as part of the European project "CaReWood: Cascading Recovered Wood" finished in 2017. One of the topics was wheter one can recover/decontaminate construction timber - even when painted with paints containing heavy metals or treated with nasty agents like DDT or PCBs - and reuse it in higher quality wood-products like glulams and not directly shred it to particle boards or even burn it (hence cascading). Tests were also conducted on shipping pallets and discarded window frames. Economical an ecological benefits of the cascading use concept were the main research topic.
Contamination depth was detected by means of LIBS (Laser Induced Breakdown Spectroscopy), GC-Faims-Technology (Gas Chromatography-Field Asymmetric Ion Mobility Spectrometry) and Near-infrared spectroscopy (NIRS), which of course is not available for our uses. It will thus in no way be a good idea to conclude "just plane any contaminated board down and everything will be fine". There will always be nasty stuff one better leaves alone I guess. However it makes total sense to me that planing down a few mil will reduce or even remove many contaminations.
Parts of the work seem to be continued in the current research project "InFutUReWood".
Let me know if you'd like to do a deep dive into the matter (though the contamination depth seems to be just a side note) and I'll shout you a couple of links.
Cheers mate
Good news mate! I did not know that about MB. A bit of a relief. Looks like the only thing pallet wood workers need to worry about is nasty stuff being spilt on the pallets. And splinters. And nails. And dust!
If they look dodgy, leave them alone. If they look clean (ish), good to go!!
Happy days.
Does the evaporation at room temp mean it's cleared MB for use?
Great video mate. Don’t worry about the haters. They will always find something or body to hate.
The pallet furniture looks great. 👍
Well done Mark One of the best videos I have seen on WOOD....your a star mate and Thank you for spending Precious time on this
I generally joint and plane pallet lumber. Most spills seem to be surface and don't really penetrate deep into the wood. But like you said, if it seems off, don't use it.
I just busted up a pallet in the hope of creating a guitar body blank from it, and started to worry about the MB stamp. Glad to see it was for nothing, seeing as I'll likely never make another one, lol.
Haha! Great comment mate
Mark, fantastic video!!! One of your best. Thanks for giving us makers this video for our arsenal. And thanks Andy for getting involved.
My missus was a manager of a furniture shop. Where to keep a lookout for wood shavings and stuff. Furniture with had that we have to be wrapped up taking away a fumigated and brought back. Share lot of health concerns while working there for 10 years rashes, coughs and stuff. This was only 4 years ago.
Thanks that's awesome. Great info
Hi Mark, as I have told you many times before , you are an absolute gentleman. Thankyou for this informative video. Now let me address the haters. Mark is one of the nicest people I've ever dealt with. As such, I'm devestated to hear that anyone, could do or say anything to him, with out the utmost respect. everyone is entitled to their opinion but having said that. No one is entitled to deliver said opinion, in an unpleasant or hurtful / disrespectful manner. Before you press that comment button , always ensure you read it back, as if someone was saying this to you and let that guide you. in my opinion , there should be no such thing as haters. If you disagree with someone, explore your feelings and try to express them in a manner of education or explanation. You don't have to agree with someone but just because you don't agree doesn't necessarily mean you are right ( or wrong ). Let just state one more time , Mark is one of the niceset people I've ever had anything to do with an absolute gentlman in every sense of the word.
Excellent vidio thanks again Mark..
Now I can safely sleep. Thanks. You are cool so I will subscribe to you. 🤘
I don't know about Australia, but in the US if that little line between the IPPC logo and the other information isn't there, US Customs will not allow the goods to enter.
Another great video! Thanks for sharing!
Wow, the timing! I was thinking about making a present using the pallet wood, and just the thought about the safety crossed my mind your video appears in my recs :O
Very reassuring to hear this from you and the top comment!
@@dainermade will do! Thank you!
Thanks Mark, I was a bit worried about this but now you’ve put my mind at ease. 👍
Good to know, I was wondering this the other week.
I've only just discovered your channel. Many apologies. 😃 Very entertaining. I enjoy them very much. Here's 2 quid. Yes. I'm a "pom"
...nice one mate, all the pallet haters can bugger off and more pallets for me.
This is just what I need to see today I picked up some really nice timber pallets but when I finish the first one I noticed the MB on it and was concerned but not now I’m definitely going to use it thanks and keep up the fantastic work love watching your videos I have learned so much from you 💋
Awesome mate. I’ve left so many good pallets behind because of the MB myth. So sad hahaha
Thanks for the info!!! Watch all your vids, they are great and I learn a lot. On your thumbnail for this vid, you look like Mr. White from Breaking Bad! 😊