It seems I missed the mark on this video for a lot of people. I thought I had put together a solid comparison that made sense but many of you expected more. I'll take the feedback into consideration for the future. Here's a full SMG range/TTK chart (th-cam.com/users/TheXclusiveAcecommunity)
It's a decent comparison. I just many were looking for the Best SMG comparison video rather than just the 3 shots compared. I see alot asking for the Fennec, the mp7, and the .41ae rounds on the uzi.
It’s still good content bud. Just not as wide ranging as we come to expect from you perhaps. You’re a victim of your own excellence. Could be worse... I would add that MP7 and Fennec should really be part of the conversation. Others have pointed out the .41 Uzi but ultimately the top SMG’s have to have raw TTK potential and I think it falls short in that department at the ranges most use SMG’s.
Could you do a comparison with all the ammo conversions. Particularly I think it would be valuable to see how the 10mm MP5 compares to .41 AE Uzi and 5.56 Aug.
I've heard that the 5.56 aug is worse than the 9mm aug and I prefer the 9mm mp5 to the 10mm mp5. I'd be pretty confident that the .41 AE is the best of those three conversion kits.
@@jordanlazarus7345 the 5.56 Aug is go to, even when using it as an SMG with Ar rounds ,there are almost no situations where 9mm is better than 5.56, unless you *really* want that attachment slot but even then you should run extended 9mm ammo
@@jordanlazarus7345 Simple answer... AUG 5.56 is for Warzone cause of the great damage per bullet... AUG 9mm is for multiplayer cause it has better fire rate and with 5.56 still needs 3 bullets to kill up close... As for your question... right now the Uzi with the .41 is the best SMG in the game by a mile cause the MP5 is better than it within 10m but that thing has an almost 40m 3shot range if you build it right which is outright insane for an SMG... Uzi with .41 pretty much gives all assault rifles too a run for their money.. only thing that sucks is the iron sight... too cluttered and you can't see well through it... Personally I love using the AUG and the MP5 cause they have the best looks out of all the SMGs alongside the Striker 45 (but I Striker is so painfully slow that it can't be used other than for aesthetic reasons) but the Uzi is a monster... Also, weird thing about the AUG, it has very clear iron sights and you can see nicely through them but for some goddamn reason I always end up missing shots when I use it with the iron sights... but maybe that's my personal issue...
And ways to explode c4. I died so many times throwing a c4 and then my gun starts to reload cuz I pressed square an extra time and that gets me killed.
compares smgs but skips the .41AE rounds to "not over complicate things" Uzi with .41AE is the current best smg, so skipping it makes this video pointless
it was kinda weird he didn't even try to consider the P90 and Mp7 either but I have to say that AUG 5.56 and Uzi with 41AE rounds are big contenders also. Except Uzi wins out imo
This video feels like its missing the point without including fennel, mp7, and uzi conversion. These are the three rivals to the mp5, and their absence makes this video not all that helpful
The fennec just feels faster however the biggest negative is fire rate vs magazine capacity. One blip of the trigger and half your ammo is gone with the 40 round.
Simple. The MP7 isn't that good. It has bad range and a bad damage model. The P90 is basically the same with a bit more range and a slightly slower rate of fire. The Fennec is just a bad MP7.
I understand why but leaving the MP7 out when the title reads "Is the MP5 still the best SMG?" is cutting hairs -- I know how much work gets put into these videos but we need an MP5, MP7, AUG, UZI comparison follow-up IMO. As always, thanks for your work! This is some very important data for all of us to know!
I keep switching guns every day, i'll find one that feels overpowered then the next day it's terrible, but i think i consider the MP7 to be the most reliable, whenever nothing is working i go to the MP7. That being said i'm currently experimenting with how depressed i can get using the Dragunov.
The Uzi with the .41 AE rounds is the best smg in the game. It has a reasonably controllable recoil, high damage and in general is super good. Periode. It can be beaten in a few aspects, but most of the time you’ll find yourself at the advantage.
It kinda looks like a UMP but you know the Striker 45 is a real gun made by LWRC? When I saw it in the menu at first I thought it was a UMP as well and the name Striker 45 was sorta like Fennec, just some random crap they made up to avoid copyright law but nope, it's a real smg and it looks like the one in the game. Technically not a UMP. I haven't even unlocked it yet and I'm not going to go out of my way to unlock it anytime soon (I only started playing a few weeks ago). I prefer my Bizon anyway.
ok, i need this video again, but with all smgs, the vector in particular, that rate of fire puts it in a interesting place, where it can not kill with 3 body shots but, it shoots so fast that it might be even faster even needing an extra shot to kill
It is a very deadly gun up close, but it's also very balanced in that it's very poor outside of a CQC situation, with bad range, velocity, and arguably poor iron sights and shaky recoil. I think it's one of the most well-balanced guns in the game, and serves a niche role like guns should
*Me being a fool running with 25 mags, the Deadfall barrel, the mini optic, Merc, striple grip and slight of hands* Yep this gun is the most balance weapon, either u connect ur shots or you die trying
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@@JRCxyz If you do a full reload on the weapon, your character will slap the charging handle. It's a signature thing for a handful of Heckler and Koch weapons.
It has gotten several nerfs already and it's still too easy to use within 40 meters. Emptied a clip into a guy with the Uzi and he 3 shots me with his MP5. Ridiculousness...
He should do that video but compare the MP5, Vector, and MP7 side by side since they're all strong competitors. This video didn't really get its point across all too well.
If the MP7 didn’t have limb reduction penalties in its optimal range (4 shot), and the Aug received a 1-2 frame ADS increase as well as a boost to its 3 shot kill range while using 5.56 NATO rounds. Lastly, the bizon just needs a bit of love, I even find myself choosing the striker over it when I’m messing around in multiplayer. (Edit): I also think the Fennec could use a base magazine increase, and buff to the 40 round mag into a 50 round mag
Hey bro, just want to give my two cents: The MP7 is fine where it is right now, instead I think the P90 should get the limb multiplier buff as well as the Striker-45 (which is easily the worst SMG imo) The Bizon is perfect where it is and so is the Uzi, but that AUG buff does sound nice
Personally I think the Fennec is mediocre. Bad reload animation, low mag, high RoF yes but I feel like I get a bunch of hitmarkers too. And the iron sights are a bit cluttered, but minor complaint considering it's an SMG.
@@Kaiokendrew mine would be with the 5.56 Round, fast ADS Stock, Sticky Grip, Tact Grip, SoH(Slight of Hand) or Fully Stock. Why no barrel? It makes the ADS Slow, if you can control the Recoil with the stock barrel, you'll be fine. Just choose your long distance fights carefully
@@AdrianGarcia-cj7ux Thanks for the tips homie. My current setup was 32-round 9mm mags, 407mm Lightweight barrel, stippled grip tape, CQB Comb, and a Solozero mini reflex
@@Kaiokendrew Monolithic Suppressor, 622mm Barrel, 30 Round 5.56, Stippled Grip, Elite Comb Stock. Will have about 16 frames ADS, which is 267ms, 3shot range of 19m and 4shot range out to 60m anywhere in the body and 100m to the chest. If you only want it for up close, remove muzzle and barrel and replace it with the merc foregrip and SoH.
The title should have been "Is the MP5 still the best 3-shots-to-kill SMG?" 3:30 "but for the sake of this video...." you clearly want to nominate the MP5 the best SMG in the game when you deliberately exclude other SMGs in the game, especially the Uzi with the .41 AE conversion.
The reason I mention the title should've been different because in your video description you mentioned "and compare it side by side with all of the other 3 shot kill SMGs"
@@envidygaming3990 Dude, striker sucks... sure, it has great range but so does the Uzi with the .41 rounds and the difference in their ADS speed is HUGE... also striker ADS speed will almost never become better... it's a very very slow SMG that sucks up close and honestly for longer ranges just pick up an M4 or Ram 7... or you know... that Uzi with .41 rounds that you can get it to have under 200ms ADS while also having almost 40m of 3shot kill range which is just out of this world... The only thing striker has going for it is that it looks good... but other than that, it's so meh that it's not worth your time besides wanting to use a cool looking gun... also, it depends on the map you're playing... for shoothouse where Ace was playing on the vid the MP5 is the king... not too many long range lines of sight... for bigger maps the Uzi with .41 runs everything else to the ground... personally I think the only SMGs that compete with the MP5 is the Uzi with .41 or the Fennec cause of that insane fire rate... and it should be noted that out of the 3 the MP5 has the best iron sights too... I also love using the AUG cause that black leecher AUG skin looks goddamn awesome but the ADS speed and strafe speed is so much lower than the MP5 that the MP5 is still the king...
I'm pretty sure the fastest killing weapon in MP/Warzone is Vector/Striker with .45 rounds but no ones makes a videos about it. It would be interesting to see the TTK potential both guns have with the ammo conversion. Single fire and Burst.
Came to video thinking "finally I can see how Uzi .41 AE fares to "meta" MP5" 3 minutes in, videos acknowledges UZI .41 AE potential 3 shot kill range but leaves out of comparison meh
Agreed, what's the point of figuring out if the MP5 is the best if you don't even consider the Uzi's amazing ammo conversion? No one who claims the Uzi is the best SMG says it because of the default ammo type!
Recoil Control from Carbine Pro barrel is negligible and reduces movement speed. Increased damage range is with Barrel, AEG rounds, and Mono supp is only +2 meters than without the barrel so using barrels puts you at a disadvantage.
Joseph Arredondo what? The Barrel gives a 30% range increase (about 5m extra for the 3-shot) which is pretty big and the .41 AE rounds give a huge boost to 4-shot+ ranges while also making the Uzi the only SMG that hits limbs for the same damage as the body. Don’t know where you’re getting your information from, maybe it’s outdated…
Would you be willing to do this same video but with all the smg conversion kits? I'm wondering how 10mm MP5 stands against 41.ae rounds on Uzi, 2 round burst on striker, 5.56 on aug, etc.
Talking about common attachments and builds might sound complicated but thats what we are here for ace! Its good to know the base weapon values but honestly that doesnt help tooo much when no one uses base weapons. It stinks that there isnt a feature in the game to just allow you to see these numbers change as you add/take away attachments
The Striker’s starting to look like a pretty damn good choice, especially in Warzone on overkill sniper + smg classes where it can compete with the MP7 for a snappy close to mid-range backup
Striker's low ROF makes it actually a questionable sniper back-up. I think the Striker might work better with a rifle class as a SMG that can also fill out a mid-range in a pinch. However, I think most people (myself included) would prefer a SMG with a high ROF because SMGs should be close quarter weapons, to deal death in tight spaces and short distances. That's why I still run the MP5 as my primary back-up to any slow ADS primary for its high movement speed, high ROF, and tight CQB hipfire.
@@halrold7369 That's more preference as with a sniper rifle you could pop shots off until they start getting closer, then cover the ranges with the Striker, and still hit hard and consistently over range, while having the handling of a smg, over a rifle. Problem is that the majority of people go for meta and believe certain guns are king, when there are others that can do those jobs just as well, if not better and have other strengths. For example in Ace's "grau still the best" video, he compared the kilo with the longest barrel to it, when in reality the 2nd longest barrel is just as good as the grau's longest, just a little short. It would still have good handling like the m4 as well, but meta says longest barrel, so it falls short.
@@ronakvelandi imo fss carbine pro barrel, merc or ranger foregrip, .41ae mags, no stock (can use close quarters stock) stippled grip tape. If you want you can swap out the grip tape for an optic
Same, if I know a gun is meta, I cannot use it unless I need to do a challenge with it. I can still use the FAL though, as it still takes skill and I was already using it before the buff.
Can we get a warzone fully kitted Bruen v Kilo v Grau v M4 comparison? What is the best primary for warzone now as far as damage over range, ttk with full armor and stability with a rds and a 3.0 scope? Be nice if you can test the skeleton stock vs the tac laser on the bruen too.
Abel Herrera I disagree. If some guns are by far and away better than other guns then you’ll only see those in lobby’s. More variety in guns makes the game more interesting IMO
What do you mean? They have. The MP5 isn't as good as Ace makes it look. It's a conditional 3 shot kill one when you hit all shots to the body. Arms tend to get in the way, which makes it a 4 shot kill. The MP5 is the slowest killing SMG when 4 shots are required, excluding when the other inconsistent 3 shot kill SMGs need a 4th shot to kill as well. Due to the nerf making the 3 shot kill as short as it is the MP5 isn't really that viable anymore except really close range engagements.
It translates the same in Warzone (im assuming) if your within that 3 shot kill range that he mentioned even w armor plates the mp5 will kill faster then all smgs, it has the fastest ttk of all smgs, i think all smgs have higher ttk at longer ranges tho or maybe just some smgs idk but they nerfed this gun like crazy, its been through like 7 lmao
@@bossmicky9256 not nessearily true. for example in warzone against 3 plates the mp5 takes 525 ms to kill where the Fennec only takes 491 ms to kill (chest/stomach shots). that's a 2 frame faster kill.
I love the Aug, but sometimes I feel like I’m just to sluggish to simply move around. I feel like it needs a buff to movement speed. Yes it is a bigger gun then the MP5/7, and the Uzi, but if you’re using the regular mag, strip grip, and stocks that help movement speed, u should be as fast as the striker at least, but that’s not the case. Just feel like it could be better, that’s all
Love your channel more than any of the many other COD ones I follow. That being said, I feel like you left us hanging on this deeper look. The stats provided are the base ones, for guns that haven't been gunsmithed. I would wager that also none of you subscribers runs base weaponry, though. I think comparing them using your recommended setup for each (including ammo options) would better serve this side by side. As we know the attachments vary every stat you just listed, some in a positive way, and others negatively. Obviously when you concluded that the MP5 was still the best SMG to use in the game, I would wager it was based more on your experience. Don't get me wrong; I actually agree with you. Obviously that would make for a longer video, but I'm here for that. Thanks for all the time you put in, and enjoy your time in Norway.
Nuber I'm pretty sure the MP5 with 10mm rnds has literally the same ttk as the 9mm MP5. The fennec has a ttk of around 160 ms. I don't really remember the 41 AE Uzi ttk though.
I just double checked some stuff for you. The Fennec has a ttk of 162 ms. The 41 AE Uzi has a ttk of 194 ms, which is only a two millisecond difference between the base Uzi and 41 AE, but the 3 shot kill range is similar to the Striker's. The 10mm MP5 has a slower ttk than the 9mm MP5 by only 2 milliseconds, and the range is really good, it's basically 41 AE rnds but for the MP5.
Uzi with the AE rounds is the best all around smg cuz now it has a good three hit kill range and there is not reason to aim if u run 5mw laser and the Merc grip. But if u want to specialize in a specific area the other smgs now have their own niche, which is awesome
Great video! I think they've done a really good job with the SMG balancing IMO. A great next video would def be comparing the ammo conversions etc. for each SMG, as well as the MP7 (that gun is a beast!) :)
I’ve been using the bruen a lot in WZ, so I like the AUG because you can extend the range out with the 5.56 so when running around I don’t get destroyed because I’m running with my smg for mobility purposes.
Striker 45 with hollow point has the second fastest ttk in the warzone after the FAL and handles faster. It’s max damage range goes out to 50 metered if you kit it right as well. So I think it makes a great sniper combo weapon. Only problem being that you only get 12 shots per mag so it’s REALLY punishing if you’re not accurate.
What holds me back using the UZI with the ammo conversion are the extremely bad iron sights and the 32 round magazine you get with the conversion. You NEED the bigger clip in Warzone if you want to be competitive against more than one player at a time.
Yo ace if u made these weapon breakdowns with there best possible attachments for a well rounded range/mobility build would help out alot for alot of people's decisions. I believe breakdowns like this could help as all guns cant use the same attachments (e.g. barrels). Thanks for the vid :)
Overall, my fav and I think underrated smg is the striker with the ammo conversion. The biggest drawback, and probably why it isn't used much, is the small mag on it and it takes a little more practice to get used to. But you can one burst up close and two burst at range, thereby making it a good all around gun that allows me to challenge people at ranges you wouldn't expect
You should really include some comparisons with the MP5 10mm rounds since they were nerf/buffed recently. Comparing it to the Uzi and Striker's alternate ammunition would also have been an important distinction to determine which is "best". Using just the base models does make things less complicated, but the base models are exactly that: basic. Guns are the sum of their parts.
With the merc grip stealth buff, the mini-uzi has been my go to lately. My class has been Uzi - No-Stock, 41 AE, FSS Recon, Monolithic, Merc Grip. Secondary of your preference Double Time (Brave, I know) Ghost Battle Hardened Semtex or C4 Stims Dead Silence You will outrun all with this class and be able to beam from a distance with some recoil control.
I really appreciate these videos because as soon as he puts In the time to make these videos, an update comes and changes it all😂. Respect the dedication
The Striker is still in need of some buffs to firmly make it the highest in class damage SMG. First off, the 6 shot kill range should be removed and it should be a 5 shot at the furthest ranges. Next, the base max damage should be increased to 49 or the head multiplier should be increased so within that base 3 shot range you only need 1 headshot+1 bodyshot instead of having to land 2 headshots in a row to get a 2 shot kill.
What we need to be talking about is how the FAL needs to be dialed back a bit. That buff made it overpowered as hell in warzone. It kills faster than ALL of the smg’s up close. In fact, it kills faster than ANY weapon up close, excluding getting headshot by a sniper.
Re: Recoil pattern - the study is on the 3,4,5 kill shots at range. When you hold the trigger, we should be studying the first 5 shots recoil not the entire clip. Because then in your video the Striker .45 has 4 shots in very close pattern.
I started using the Uzi with max movement speed and mobility perks/equipment. You can get REALLY unexpected flanks at the beginning of rounds of Search that way.
I think it important to note that some of the pros have more or less transitioned over to the AUG and Uzi for their more consistent performance. Not to mention the .41 AE rounds effectively make the Uzi and AR in an SMG's body. We're missing a lot here.
Would definitely love to see a Ammo upgraded uzi v mp7 v mp5 I think it’s a fight between mp7 and mp5 for top spot, would love to see a side by side post patch
I have a question for everyone. Is the mp7 the best smg for MW? I’ve been using the mp7 for a long time and a lot of people are telling me to change my load out. What smg should I use?
I think what's great about SMGs are the ammo conversions. I prefer mp5 with 10mm and aug with 5.56. UZI is no brainer with the AEP rounds. I just don't use them as my enjoyment currently is going for platinum camos. I'm done with SMGs so very little reason to use them right now as I have plenty of other guns to level... But Striker and AUG are both underappreciated IMO.
Need to briefly consider unique attachments Mono integrated barrel on mp5 is a big plus as you upgrade the barrel and get silencing while using only 1 slot I find this gives me a spare slot for mp5 which I can use for sleight of hand for e.g.
Hey Ace can you verify if the Model 680 has been stealth nerfed? With the 30” barrel and Marauder suppressor it was consistent at ranged 1 hit kills (amazing really) but now it feels wildly inconsistent.
fal is the best smg
Yes
U mean best sniper, Lmg, assault rifle and marksman rifle. Only thing it sucks at is melee
Hammad Abbas, I think you forgot about granade
Just The Tip facts
Damn can't argue with that...
Really should have included the ammo conversion for the uzi considering it makes it a much better gun than its base
Also because no1 ever recommend the normal ammo anyways so comparing the normal ammo is just wasted time in this case?
But then you use up a slot, it becomes a crutch like he said in the video
@@mycornflakes788 if one attachment makes an UZI better than what 4 attachments on a basic Uzi CANT do. Isn't that a much better trade off?
Uzi long barrel ,41.ae add stopping power it’s nasty
1000 41ae, stippled grip, 16.5 barrel, no stock, merc foregrip is the best physically possible Uzi in the game
It seems I missed the mark on this video for a lot of people. I thought I had put together a solid comparison that made sense but many of you expected more. I'll take the feedback into consideration for the future. Here's a full SMG range/TTK chart (th-cam.com/users/TheXclusiveAcecommunity)
This is why I watch your channel right here you take feedback and use it to make your videos better godspeed ace
It's a decent comparison. I just many were looking for the Best SMG comparison video rather than just the 3 shots compared. I see alot asking for the Fennec, the mp7, and the .41ae rounds on the uzi.
You made a mistake not comparing 0.41 on Uzi but overall it was a good comparison with other SMGs
Obviously what people are asking for is much more complicated.
It’s still good content bud. Just not as wide ranging as we come to expect from you perhaps. You’re a victim of your own excellence. Could be worse...
I would add that MP7 and Fennec should really be part of the conversation. Others have pointed out the .41 Uzi but ultimately the top SMG’s have to have raw TTK potential and I think it falls short in that department at the ranges most use SMG’s.
Could you do a comparison with all the ammo conversions. Particularly I think it would be valuable to see how the 10mm MP5 compares to .41 AE Uzi and 5.56 Aug.
I've heard that the 5.56 aug is worse than the 9mm aug and I prefer the 9mm mp5 to the 10mm mp5. I'd be pretty confident that the .41 AE is the best of those three conversion kits.
@@jordanlazarus7345 I've never had an issue slaying with Aug 5.56 ammo.
@@scottjs5207 same way there's not an issue with the kilo, just because it feels good to use doesn't make it actually powerful
@@jordanlazarus7345 the 5.56 Aug is go to, even when using it as an SMG with Ar rounds ,there are almost no situations where 9mm is better than 5.56, unless you *really* want that attachment slot but even then you should run extended 9mm ammo
@@jordanlazarus7345 Simple answer... AUG 5.56 is for Warzone cause of the great damage per bullet... AUG 9mm is for multiplayer cause it has better fire rate and with 5.56 still needs 3 bullets to kill up close...
As for your question... right now the Uzi with the .41 is the best SMG in the game by a mile cause the MP5 is better than it within 10m but that thing has an almost 40m 3shot range if you build it right which is outright insane for an SMG... Uzi with .41 pretty much gives all assault rifles too a run for their money.. only thing that sucks is the iron sight... too cluttered and you can't see well through it...
Personally I love using the AUG and the MP5 cause they have the best looks out of all the SMGs alongside the Striker 45 (but I Striker is so painfully slow that it can't be used other than for aesthetic reasons) but the Uzi is a monster...
Also, weird thing about the AUG, it has very clear iron sights and you can see nicely through them but for some goddamn reason I always end up missing shots when I use it with the iron sights... but maybe that's my personal issue...
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He's the only man I'd let hold my hair while I'm throwing up, as he'd whisper MP5 stats in my right ear to make me feel better
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Listening to his gun stats is therapy for me
I’m straight, but he’s the only man I would let hold my cheek while pulling me closer to him while whispering gun stats.
Swapping back to Tap-To-Reload at the start... I truly wish there were separate controls for MP and Warzone
And ways to explode c4. I died so many times throwing a c4 and then my gun starts to reload cuz I pressed square an extra time and that gets me killed.
Agreed, the two games are very different so it'd make sense to implement separate settings.
Awad Ihmud That really is the most annoying thing
@@snuker650 I hate when you try to blow it up by double tapping square when in a chopper
Don't have to worry about that cause I play on kbm. When I hop on controller though it is pretty annoying.
compares smgs but skips the .41AE rounds to "not over complicate things"
Uzi with .41AE is the current best smg, so skipping it makes this video pointless
Missed the Fennec too, which was a really good contender against the mp5 apart from the magazine capacity
No not really he was comparing without extended mag
And plus, the mp5 could still compete with the uzi and those round
But that my opinion
it was kinda weird he didn't even try to consider the P90 and Mp7 either but I have to say that AUG 5.56 and Uzi with 41AE rounds are big contenders also. Except Uzi wins out imo
He didnt includ those guns cuz they dont a 4 shot kill range like he said at the beginning of the video
@@ethanial3671 it's literally in the video
This video feels like its missing the point without including fennel, mp7, and uzi conversion. These are the three rivals to the mp5, and their absence makes this video not all that helpful
Yes and what about 10mm rounds did they not accidentally buff those
I feel like you're missing a gun
Yea doesn’t help that this video is just over 10 minutes /:
The fennec just feels faster however the biggest negative is fire rate vs magazine capacity. One blip of the trigger and half your ammo is gone with the 40 round.
You guys running with the 40 mags?
I feel like we're missing quite a few other guns that compete with MP5 better.
Vector, P90, MP7?
Exactly, so i can’t understand the sense of this video
Ansa798 it’s not that hard, he said he was only comparing smg’s with a 3 shot potential
And MP5 10mm solves all the MP5 range problems!
Simple. The MP7 isn't that good. It has bad range and a bad damage model. The P90 is basically the same with a bit more range and a slightly slower rate of fire. The Fennec is just a bad MP7.
Wael El-Ahmady it got nerfed and it adds more recoil
I understand why but leaving the MP7 out when the title reads "Is the MP5 still the best SMG?" is cutting hairs -- I know how much work gets put into these videos but we need an MP5, MP7, AUG, UZI comparison follow-up IMO. As always, thanks for your work! This is some very important data for all of us to know!
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To think how many people still dont know how strong the .41 uzi is?
I dont think folks unlocked it yet
I've noticed
Sadly not. Was hoping to see it in the video
Yeah I run that with a kar98 sometimes and it melts dummy fast u should also try the aug
32 rounds not best for quads maybe solo and duos
I keep switching guns every day, i'll find one that feels overpowered then the next day it's terrible, but i think i consider the MP7 to be the most reliable, whenever nothing is working i go to the MP7.
That being said i'm currently experimenting with how depressed i can get using the Dragunov.
Short answer: yes.
Long Answer: Yes x100
No the Uzi with the .41 AE is the best in multiplayer
Jake Ruiz good joke good joke
The Uzi with the .41 AE rounds is the best smg in the game. It has a reasonably controllable recoil, high damage and in general is super good. Periode. It can be beaten in a few aspects, but most of the time you’ll find yourself at the advantage.
No, FAL is the best SMG as someone else pointed out in the comment section. And the second best is the M4
Striker 45 has been my favorite SMG since its release. I just loved the old UMP, and SMGs that have good range. So its my go to.
It kinda looks like a UMP but you know the Striker 45 is a real gun made by LWRC? When I saw it in the menu at first I thought it was a UMP as well and the name Striker 45 was sorta like Fennec, just some random crap they made up to avoid copyright law but nope, it's a real smg and it looks like the one in the game. Technically not a UMP. I haven't even unlocked it yet and I'm not going to go out of my way to unlock it anytime soon (I only started playing a few weeks ago). I prefer my Bizon anyway.
ok, i need this video again, but with all smgs, the vector in particular, that rate of fire puts it in a interesting place, where it can not kill with 3 body shots but, it shoots so fast that it might be even faster even needing an extra shot to kill
It is a very deadly gun up close, but it's also very balanced in that it's very poor outside of a CQC situation, with bad range, velocity, and arguably poor iron sights and shaky recoil. I think it's one of the most well-balanced guns in the game, and serves a niche role like guns should
*Me being a fool running with 25 mags, the Deadfall barrel, the mini optic, Merc, striple grip and slight of hands*
Yep this gun is the most balance weapon, either u connect ur shots or you die trying
Kids only copy mlg classes so they dont use dlc guns lol
@@k45oz29 better remove that deadfall barrel, and put the silencer and long barrel because that has better recoil control and movemnet speed
@@MyAdam4321 but the recoil is better with deadfall and merc
MP7: I’m the best SMG.
MP5: No, I’m the best SMG.
FAL: Amateurs.
MP5: What was that, punk?
FAL: Amateurs.
Fennec:
'Hello There'
Justin Y: I'm the best commenter.
Just some guy with a mustache: No, I'm the best commenter.
BSJ IN THE HOUSE: Amateurs.
Just some guy with a mustache: What was that, punk?
BSJ IN THE HOUSE: Amateurs.
@@pissy4476 Justin Y. is the best commenter tho. He comments on a variety of videos too.
@@Laxreon my trigger finger's trash though
M14: settle down children
*The MP5 has ”The Slap”.*
Edit: *The AUG too.*
H&K The Slap™
yah gotta love the h&k slap man, yah have to
What’s that?
@@JRCxyz If you do a full reload on the weapon, your character will slap the charging handle. It's a signature thing for a handful of Heckler and Koch weapons.
Edit : the *P9TEA*
If the MP5 doesn’t get a nerf to its INSANE hip fire, it will beat the FAL in most fights.
It has gotten several nerfs already and it's still too easy to use within 40 meters. Emptied a clip into a guy with the Uzi and he 3 shots me with his MP5. Ridiculousness...
Do a follow up vid on the 41. AE rounds on the UZI
Yeah who is even using the base uzi?
@@404nobrakesAnyone trying to get the .41 rounds lmao.
He should do that video but compare the MP5, Vector, and MP7 side by side since they're all strong competitors. This video didn't really get its point across all too well.
“It’s pretty easy to control that pp” -XclusiveAce, 2020
If the MP7 didn’t have limb reduction penalties in its optimal range (4 shot), and the Aug received a 1-2 frame ADS increase as well as a boost to its 3 shot kill range while using 5.56 NATO rounds. Lastly, the bizon just needs a bit of love, I even find myself choosing the striker over it when I’m messing around in multiplayer.
(Edit): I also think the Fennec could use a base magazine increase, and buff to the 40 round mag into a 50 round mag
Hey bro, just want to give my two cents:
The MP7 is fine where it is right now, instead I think the P90 should get the limb multiplier buff as well as the Striker-45 (which is easily the worst SMG imo)
The Bizon is perfect where it is and so is the Uzi, but that AUG buff does sound nice
@@Kaiokendrew i dont think the aug needs a buff, the whole point of it is to be a slower handling, more verstile gun.
A buff would make it op.
@@Kaiokendrew i dont think the aug needs a buff, the whole point of it is to be a slower handling, more verstile gun.
AUG buff would probably be a tad too much if you increase the 3shot range. Else you basically create yourself the best SMG with no real downside
@Derick Stark I couldn't agree more
Fennec: "Am I a joke to you?"
Yeah man, I think the fennec is really good too
Maybe an old video he forgot to upload
Fennec is only for solos
@@CryptoAshkn solos?
Personally I think the Fennec is mediocre. Bad reload animation, low mag, high RoF yes but I feel like I get a bunch of hitmarkers too. And the iron sights are a bit cluttered, but minor complaint considering it's an SMG.
9:17 what did you do to this guy 😂
Lmaoooo
It's just that "MFin' MP5 abuser!" rage 🤣
THIS WHOLE VIDEO JUST DISRESPECTED MY MP7 LMAO
It's about the 3-shot-kill SMGs exclusively
B N yeah but why ?
@@aWitcherX It's already established that the mp5 is better than mp7. What really would be interesting is .41 AE on the uzi.
@@creesmith2794 mp7 is better than an uzi with 41 Æ
The Aug is the dark horse of the smgs in MW if you kit it right.
Yes
Hey man what's your preferred AUG setup?
@@Kaiokendrew mine would be with the 5.56 Round, fast ADS Stock, Sticky Grip, Tact Grip, SoH(Slight of Hand) or Fully Stock. Why no barrel? It makes the ADS Slow, if you can control the Recoil with the stock barrel, you'll be fine. Just choose your long distance fights carefully
@@AdrianGarcia-cj7ux Thanks for the tips homie. My current setup was 32-round 9mm mags, 407mm Lightweight barrel, stippled grip tape, CQB Comb, and a Solozero mini reflex
@@Kaiokendrew Monolithic Suppressor, 622mm Barrel, 30 Round 5.56, Stippled Grip, Elite Comb Stock. Will have about 16 frames ADS, which is 267ms, 3shot range of 19m and 4shot range out to 60m anywhere in the body and 100m to the chest.
If you only want it for up close, remove muzzle and barrel and replace it with the merc foregrip and SoH.
Would have liked to see the MP7 in there too...
But why it's one quality is low recoil which can be found with other smgs
The title should have been "Is the MP5 still the best 3-shots-to-kill SMG?"
3:30 "but for the sake of this video...." you clearly want to nominate the MP5 the best SMG in the game when you deliberately exclude other SMGs in the game, especially the Uzi with the .41 AE conversion.
The reason I mention the title should've been different because in your video description you mentioned "and compare it side by side with all of the other 3 shot kill SMGs"
Captain Seemo gotta have that clickbait
And it's still not even the best on that list. However I know I need to upgrade my Striker now.
@@envidygaming3990 Dude, striker sucks... sure, it has great range but so does the Uzi with the .41 rounds and the difference in their ADS speed is HUGE... also striker ADS speed will almost never become better... it's a very very slow SMG that sucks up close and honestly for longer ranges just pick up an M4 or Ram 7... or you know... that Uzi with .41 rounds that you can get it to have under 200ms ADS while also having almost 40m of 3shot kill range which is just out of this world...
The only thing striker has going for it is that it looks good... but other than that, it's so meh that it's not worth your time besides wanting to use a cool looking gun... also, it depends on the map you're playing... for shoothouse where Ace was playing on the vid the MP5 is the king... not too many long range lines of sight... for bigger maps the Uzi with .41 runs everything else to the ground...
personally I think the only SMGs that compete with the MP5 is the Uzi with .41 or the Fennec cause of that insane fire rate... and it should be noted that out of the 3 the MP5 has the best iron sights too... I also love using the AUG cause that black leecher AUG skin looks goddamn awesome but the ADS speed and strafe speed is so much lower than the MP5 that the MP5 is still the king...
I'm pretty sure the fastest killing weapon in MP/Warzone is Vector/Striker with .45 rounds but no ones makes a videos about it.
It would be interesting to see the TTK potential both guns have with the ammo conversion. Single fire and Burst.
Came to video thinking "finally I can see how Uzi .41 AE fares to "meta" MP5"
3 minutes in, videos acknowledges UZI .41 AE potential 3 shot kill range but leaves out of comparison
meh
Agreed, what's the point of figuring out if the MP5 is the best if you don't even consider the Uzi's amazing ammo conversion? No one who claims the Uzi is the best SMG says it because of the default ammo type!
Good. Let them stick with the MP5s.
I literally watch every gun guide video! They are so in depth and easily portrayed! Props @XclusiveAce
Before watching, it’s 100% the Uzi with .41 AE and FSS Carbine Pro, with MP5 10mm being a close 2nd
Recoil Control from Carbine Pro barrel is negligible and reduces movement speed. Increased damage range is with Barrel, AEG rounds, and Mono supp is only +2 meters than without the barrel so using barrels puts you at a disadvantage.
Joseph Arredondo what? The Barrel gives a 30% range increase (about 5m extra for the 3-shot) which is pretty big and the .41 AE rounds give a huge boost to 4-shot+ ranges while also making the Uzi the only SMG that hits limbs for the same damage as the body.
Don’t know where you’re getting your information from, maybe it’s outdated…
Would you be willing to do this same video but with all the smg conversion kits? I'm wondering how 10mm MP5 stands against 41.ae rounds on Uzi, 2 round burst on striker, 5.56 on aug, etc.
Also thanks for these vids man!
The 45 ae rounda for the uzi can like 6 shot a full armored player in warzone
Talking about common attachments and builds might sound complicated but thats what we are here for ace! Its good to know the base weapon values but honestly that doesnt help tooo much when no one uses base weapons. It stinks that there isnt a feature in the game to just allow you to see these numbers change as you add/take away attachments
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Me: so the only options are, terrible, garbage, and trash
He literally ignored two of the best smg's in the game: the mp7 and the vector.
Michael Enns exactly my thought!! Like i was so confused why he didnt bring out the mp7 at all
he only compared the 3 shot kill smgs, those don’t have a 3 shot kill range, listen next time
Just laziness he could have at least mentioned the mp7
He clearly stated he was only comparing smgs with a 3 shot kill potential. However, I really wish he included all smg
Guess you missed the part where he said he is only looking at 3shot kill guns not 4+ like the mp7 and vector....
In case you guys may not have paid attention, the 3 shot kill range on the striker 45 is longer than the 4 shot kill range on the MP5.
The Striker’s starting to look like a pretty damn good choice, especially in Warzone on overkill sniper + smg classes where it can compete with the MP7 for a snappy close to mid-range backup
Striker's low ROF makes it actually a questionable sniper back-up. I think the Striker might work better with a rifle class as a SMG that can also fill out a mid-range in a pinch. However, I think most people (myself included) would prefer a SMG with a high ROF because SMGs should be close quarter weapons, to deal death in tight spaces and short distances. That's why I still run the MP5 as my primary back-up to any slow ADS primary for its high movement speed, high ROF, and tight CQB hipfire.
@@halrold7369 That's more preference as with a sniper rifle you could pop shots off until they start getting closer, then cover the ranges with the Striker, and still hit hard and consistently over range, while having the handling of a smg, over a rifle. Problem is that the majority of people go for meta and believe certain guns are king, when there are others that can do those jobs just as well, if not better and have other strengths. For example in Ace's "grau still the best" video, he compared the kilo with the longest barrel to it, when in reality the 2nd longest barrel is just as good as the grau's longest, just a little short. It would still have good handling like the m4 as well, but meta says longest barrel, so it falls short.
Would love to know the stats behinds the 10mm range nerf as well.
I’m now able to outgun most MP5 users with my Uzi.
Thats because they’re still using 10mm. And they wonder why did i lose this gun fight to an uzi?
I'm beating them with the fennic.
yeah after you got killed 10 times by an mp5
What are the best UZI attachments ?
@@ronakvelandi imo fss carbine pro barrel, merc or ranger foregrip, .41ae mags, no stock (can use close quarters stock) stippled grip tape.
If you want you can swap out the grip tape for an optic
I was litterally wondering about this yesterday. thanks, Ace.
Is it weird that I hate all the "meta" guns like the mp5 and the m4 but love the guns that nobody uses like the scar and the striker 45
I love the striker 45 was running m13 and Striker in WZ and got 19 kills was tryna find some striker love in the comments
since that ADS buff the Scar is wonderful. i've always kinda liked it but now it's a serious competitor
Striker gang
Cod hipster🤣
Same, if I know a gun is meta, I cannot use it unless I need to do a challenge with it. I can still use the FAL though, as it still takes skill and I was already using it before the buff.
Can we get a warzone fully kitted Bruen v Kilo v Grau v M4 comparison? What is the best primary for warzone now as far as damage over range, ttk with full armor and stability with a rds and a 3.0 scope?
Be nice if you can test the skeleton stock vs the tac laser on the bruen too.
Infinity ward really doesn't want to nerf their weapons, do they
The more balance the game the more boring the game gets
Abel Herrera I disagree. If some guns are by far and away better than other guns then you’ll only see those in lobby’s. More variety in guns makes the game more interesting IMO
@@thriplety4281 he probably mains the MP5 and seeing the guns isnt as good anymore makes it harder for him to win his gunfight
What do you mean? They have. The MP5 isn't as good as Ace makes it look. It's a conditional 3 shot kill one when you hit all shots to the body. Arms tend to get in the way, which makes it a 4 shot kill. The MP5 is the slowest killing SMG when 4 shots are required, excluding when the other inconsistent 3 shot kill SMGs need a 4th shot to kill as well. Due to the nerf making the 3 shot kill as short as it is the MP5 isn't really that viable anymore except really close range engagements.
That's a staple of Infinityward's games. Meanwhile, Treyarch would just nerf a gun into the ground.
Maybe You should test they Fennec to,because have the Best time to kill after the 10m
more curious on warzone analysis. as having a "3 shot kill" doesnt matter much there.
It translates the same in Warzone (im assuming) if your within that 3 shot kill range that he mentioned even w armor plates the mp5 will kill faster then all smgs, it has the fastest ttk of all smgs, i think all smgs have higher ttk at longer ranges tho or maybe just some smgs idk but they nerfed this gun like crazy, its been through like 7 lmao
@@bossmicky9256 not nessearily true. for example in warzone against 3 plates the mp5 takes 525 ms to kill where the Fennec only takes 491 ms to kill (chest/stomach shots). that's a 2 frame faster kill.
Derek Boyd oh thanks for the info, looks like i was mistaken, still id take mp5 over vector but thats me personally
@@DangerDB22 yea when you extend the ttk due to extra armor the higher fire rate of a weapon may help pick up the slack in the long run.
Glad you mentioned Uzi with 32 round mag aswell as it turns into such a beast with that attachment!
Notification Gang! Wassup Ace, we here.
I love the Aug, but sometimes I feel like I’m just to sluggish to simply move around. I feel like it needs a buff to movement speed. Yes it is a bigger gun then the MP5/7, and the Uzi, but if you’re using the regular mag, strip grip, and stocks that help movement speed, u should be as fast as the striker at least, but that’s not the case. Just feel like it could be better, that’s all
The best smg is the fal
The way you hold the MP5 and it’s hipfire accuracy just makes it better than any other smg
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@warner tesla yes .... Uzi and Bizon
thank you SOO MUCH for making this video ive been so confused about the msgs now
yes
Love your channel more than any of the many other COD ones I follow. That being said, I feel like you left us hanging on this deeper look. The stats provided are the base ones, for guns that haven't been gunsmithed. I would wager that also none of you subscribers runs base weaponry, though.
I think comparing them using your recommended setup for each (including ammo options) would better serve this side by side. As we know the attachments vary every stat you just listed, some in a positive way, and others negatively. Obviously when you concluded that the MP5 was still the best SMG to use in the game, I would wager it was based more on your experience. Don't get me wrong; I actually agree with you.
Obviously that would make for a longer video, but I'm here for that. Thanks for all the time you put in, and enjoy your time in Norway.
Yo just change the title to “is the mp5 the best 3 shot kill smg?” so it’s not click bait. Problem solved...
He doesn't have to make these at all. Click bait bro? C'mon...
@Blitz Krieg you right though title isn’t accurate. Keep reading I’m not the only one who thinks that.
Can you do a comparison about the no stock/ftac vs cqc stock?
Sub player's be like: "cqb m4?"
I can finally rest the debate I had in my mind about which SMG to use in my loadouts. Thanks Ace, best as always...
Can you compare the mp5 10mm, uzi 41 ae, and the fennec in terms of ttk? Really want to know what the uzi’s ttk is with the ae rounds
Nuber I'm pretty sure the MP5 with 10mm rnds has literally the same ttk as the 9mm MP5. The fennec has a ttk of around 160 ms. I don't really remember the 41 AE Uzi ttk though.
I just double checked some stuff for you. The Fennec has a ttk of 162 ms. The 41 AE Uzi has a ttk of 194 ms, which is only a two millisecond difference between the base Uzi and 41 AE, but the 3 shot kill range is similar to the Striker's. The 10mm MP5 has a slower ttk than the 9mm MP5 by only 2 milliseconds, and the range is really good, it's basically 41 AE rnds but for the MP5.
Uzi with the AE rounds is the best all around smg cuz now it has a good three hit kill range and there is not reason to aim if u run 5mw laser and the Merc grip. But if u want to specialize in a specific area the other smgs now have their own niche, which is awesome
Great video! I think they've done a really good job with the SMG balancing IMO.
A great next video would def be comparing the ammo conversions etc. for each SMG, as well as the MP7 (that gun is a beast!) :)
Monolithic integral suppressor or Subsonic integral suppressor?
I’ve been using the bruen a lot in WZ, so I like the AUG because you can extend the range out with the 5.56 so when running around I don’t get destroyed because I’m running with my smg for mobility purposes.
Striker 45 with hollow point has the second fastest ttk in the warzone after the FAL and handles faster. It’s max damage range goes out to 50 metered if you kit it right as well. So I think it makes a great sniper combo weapon. Only problem being that you only get 12 shots per mag so it’s REALLY punishing if you’re not accurate.
Thoughts on Striker?? Seeing the stats in this video makes me want to give it a whirl
What holds me back using the UZI with the ammo conversion are the extremely bad iron sights and the 32 round magazine you get with the conversion. You NEED the bigger clip in Warzone if you want to be competitive against more than one player at a time.
Yo ace if u made these weapon breakdowns with there best possible attachments for a well rounded range/mobility build would help out alot for alot of people's decisions. I believe breakdowns like this could help as all guns cant use the same attachments (e.g. barrels). Thanks for the vid :)
So with no stock and short barre on the Uzi, how does your movement speed stack up against the Kali Sticks and the Combat Knife?
What’s the set up you’re running in this video for the mp5?
Overall, my fav and I think underrated smg is the striker with the ammo conversion. The biggest drawback, and probably why it isn't used much, is the small mag on it and it takes a little more practice to get used to. But you can one burst up close and two burst at range, thereby making it a good all around gun that allows me to challenge people at ranges you wouldn't expect
You should really include some comparisons with the MP5 10mm rounds since they were nerf/buffed recently. Comparing it to the Uzi and Striker's alternate ammunition would also have been an important distinction to determine which is "best". Using just the base models does make things less complicated, but the base models are exactly that: basic. Guns are the sum of their parts.
With the merc grip stealth buff, the mini-uzi has been my go to lately. My class has been
Uzi - No-Stock, 41 AE, FSS Recon, Monolithic, Merc Grip.
Secondary of your preference
Double Time (Brave, I know)
Ghost
Battle Hardened
Semtex or C4
Stims
Dead Silence
You will outrun all with this class and be able to beam from a distance with some recoil control.
I prefer taking out the fss recon, and going with GI mini reflex... The iron sights are horrendous imo
I really appreciate these videos because as soon as he puts In the time to make these videos, an update comes and changes it all😂. Respect the dedication
So can you make a class where the attachments can make the MP5 like how it was pre-patch?
whats the ads speed of the third stock of the mp5 compared to the collapsible stock ?
Been waiting for this video thank you
Sorry if I missed it in the vid, but Fennec and MP7?
Also how much does the ammo conversion and longer barrels help the AUG and Uzi?
great video, sub given cuz of the detail that was provided in the video. very very helpful! Kudos!! 😀
The Striker is still in need of some buffs to firmly make it the highest in class damage SMG. First off, the 6 shot kill range should be removed and it should be a 5 shot at the furthest ranges. Next, the base max damage should be increased to 49 or the head multiplier should be increased so within that base 3 shot range you only need 1 headshot+1 bodyshot instead of having to land 2 headshots in a row to get a 2 shot kill.
What we need to be talking about is how the FAL needs to be dialed back a bit. That buff made it overpowered as hell in warzone. It kills faster than ALL of the smg’s up close. In fact, it kills faster than ANY weapon up close, excluding getting headshot by a sniper.
Re: Recoil pattern - the study is on the 3,4,5 kill shots at range. When you hold the trigger, we should be studying the first 5 shots recoil not the entire clip. Because then in your video the Striker .45 has 4 shots in very close pattern.
I started using the Uzi with max movement speed and mobility perks/equipment. You can get REALLY unexpected flanks at the beginning of rounds of Search that way.
I think it important to note that some of the pros have more or less transitioned over to the AUG and Uzi for their more consistent performance. Not to mention the .41 AE rounds effectively make the Uzi and AR in an SMG's body. We're missing a lot here.
Like to see warzone smg comparison. Mp5 vs mp7 vs fennec
How does the 9mm M4 compare? Using it with short barrel and no stock... I am running it with the bruin
Would definitely love to see a Ammo upgraded uzi v mp7 v mp5 I think it’s a fight between mp7 and mp5 for top spot, would love to see a side by side post patch
Need to do a comparison of the 10mm ammo vs the 41 AE ammo, since these are the way the guns are primarily ran.
I have a question for everyone. Is the mp7 the best smg for MW? I’ve been using the mp7 for a long time and a lot of people are telling me to change my load out. What smg should I use?
I personally like the mp7 the most although the aug and p90 are also really good
What about the 41 AE ammunition for the uzi and the special rounds for the aug ?
I think what's great about SMGs are the ammo conversions. I prefer mp5 with 10mm and aug with 5.56. UZI is no brainer with the AEP rounds.
I just don't use them as my enjoyment currently is going for platinum camos. I'm done with SMGs so very little reason to use them right now as I have plenty of other guns to level... But Striker and AUG are both underappreciated IMO.
Need to briefly consider unique attachments
Mono integrated barrel on mp5 is a big plus as you upgrade the barrel and get silencing while using only 1 slot
I find this gives me a spare slot for mp5 which I can use for sleight of hand for e.g.
Can you do a video on the UZI with its new attachments compared to the other SMGs?
Ace do you still think 9mm is better than 556 with the aug?
Hey Ace can you verify if the Model 680 has been stealth nerfed? With the 30” barrel and Marauder suppressor it was consistent at ranged 1 hit kills (amazing really) but now it feels wildly inconsistent.
Flood is my favorite smg variant in this game, im so happy to see it get some use here. Flood + Platinum is sex.
I think Rampage looks better tbh*
*not by default, again with plat
I use flood with Damascus because red match’s with it
some smgs really need bigger mags overall .. like the aug or the uzi to be on par with the mp5 in WZ
Uzi video? Interested in testing it and seeing how it compares
How come you use the monolithic integral suppressor on the mp5?
But is this testing with or without the 10mm rounds???
And if not can we see some testing with the 10mm rounds