The way they balanced it isn't right though, they could've just reduced the ammo count to 13 for a stock mag and then go up to 25 or a 33 round conversion for 9 mil with a quick reload for all of them
“However keep in mind that this is still a little bit slower than the mp5 (and aug) up close” - that says it all really about the current meta state of smgs, even with a 1111rpm beast, the mp5 still tops it, that’s just ridiculous!
Grandmaster Yado exactly, and I can’t speak to the smgs but I definitely think the new Amax AR will be the next “dominant” rifle once the grau is nerfed
I love the idea of hollow points while literally everyone is wearing armor. You should actually be doing significantly less damage as your bullets frag off their plates lol
unless youre hitting limbs. all the insurgency games actually work this way, kneecapping someone with hollow points or buckshot can one-shot in situations where landing a center mass hit wouldn't. its an interesting mechanic, but fuck realism its CoD lol
john smith FMJ are most common; they are lead projectiles encased in copper. AP are a lead projectile with something harder as the tip and typically jacketed in copper. HP/JHP are lead projectiles with a concave “tip” that causes the bullet to expand on impacts. Works terrible on armor, but great on flesh and militaries are not supposed to use it, but it is commonly used for law enforcement and self defense ammunition because it is less likely to overpenetrate a target or go through a wall. There are a few others like hard cast and soft nose but those are niche rounds.
@@joshuaradick5679 I think John Smith's point was, if both "FMJ" and "HP" are optional perks for setting up a class/loadout... then what type of 45ACP round is being used by the Fennec when neither of those options are selected (joke?). I think it's a good point, and a funny one to call out =]
I mean how is that cod logic it's not a mag you have to open and load bullets in, it's like Ar's with 60 round mags where they come out of the gun and get replaced
I was going to post this if I didn't see it but good on ya for pointing it out. Don't forget, extended mags on your sidearm also affect your ammo pool, even if you are using fully loaded. So put on those extendo magos, cuz.
I'm not a TH-camr, but a semi pro cod4 promod with 5 years of experience in that game between 2008 and 2012. Fennec full equipped is better than MP5 not because it's more versatile (which is not) but because at close range does the job better. This game tries to reward you with every gun because of low recoil and high damage at ranges (smgs in cod4 at range could take up to 10 bullets and recoil was insane compared), so that makes you think it's worse. Changing the mindset that you can beat everyone at any range to play exclusively CQB will reward you much more. MP5 has more bullets and less fire rate, but what are the instances where you will need to kill 4-5 guys in seconds? That could be possible with MP5 with 45 rounds, where Fennec will do 2, max 3 and reload. At range? Well, the fennec almost doesn't jump, justo go straight up so it's doable. Hip fire is better and faster, which is more important than killing at range for smgs. Also I improved my CQB performance with this gun, so that could be a good sign. Just my 2 cents.
@@JorgeAlarconL I'll agree at extreme close ranges the "Fennec" is better, yeah ttk is worse blah blah blah but fact is 1v1 you'll probably beat mp5 if you're in a phonebox and equal skill. Every other scenario though, the mp5 wins. Fact. Multiple enemies? Mp5 wins. Range? Mp5 wins. The fact you don't have to adjust your play style to use the mp5 effectively is exactly why it's the best sub, and arguably, gun in the game.
Regarding the secondary, the X16 also shares ammo, which I personally prefer to the 1911. I don't know about the 1911, but the X16 with the biggest magazine and fully loaded means you spawn in with over 200 rounds in reserve.
I greatly prefer the P90 due to the larger mag, more controllable recoil, and massively higher bullet velocity (P90 shoots 5.7x28mm which is basically a rifle round) with almost no bullet drop. P90 in theory should also have superior barrier penetration. It's vastly better at mid to long ranges. The Fennec is designed for such close range that you would be better off using a shotgun.
"The fennec isn't really a submachine gun you want to be using at longer ranges." Me on hardcore with my fennec sniper abomination: "i must have missed the memo."
I really hope the mp5 gets nerfed so that the fennec can find a place in this game. I don’t see many people running around with a fennec. A 1111rpm .45 acp shouldn’t be beat out by a 9mm lower fire rate weapon.
Personally I think they’re great. The front post is very thin, and the semi circle that surrounds it doesn’t block your vision too much. But the rear portion is quite obstructive, so I suppose it varies from person to person.
13:10 The M1911 is pretty trash since it has the most recoil of the light pistols and has the lowest fire rate cap and smallest mag, so using the X16 is better since you have a bigger mag, better fire rate cap, and still use the same .45 ACP ammo.
1911 is the best pistol for akimbo imo, at least at this point. .45 Match Grade Barrel 5mw Laser Lightweight Trigger 15 rnd Mags Akimbo Try it, I promise you it'll shred. Probably gonna be my first obsidian weapon
@@skullhammer9899 I'd say Renetti with the burst mod is best for akimbo. It deletes everything at close range and is the closest thing to a full auto secondary that we have currently
@@pluto3194 yeah but they nerfed the fire rate on the burst mod and murdered the spread on it. Combining lightweight trigger with burst and then combining burst with akimbo each add severe spread and lessens the fire rate bonus. I honestly kill faster with the renetti with the expected attachments but an extended barrel instead of burst
Skullhammer98 don’t use a long barrel for akimbo it affects the hip fire. Granted with a 5MW you’re making up for it, but if you use a monolithic suppressor for a little extra range you can maintain the hip fire and then use a 1MW so you’re not giving yourself away.
The Fennec is one of my favourite weapons for one good reason: It's actually very well balanced. It shreds in close range but that's it. It's pretty clunky and difficult to use at range. That's what the guns in MW 2019 should be like: It has a specific purpose and performs well if you use it the way it's meant to be.
I just want to give a bit of feedback when it comes to you testing recoil and hipfire spread, you should show the hipfire while crouched, proned, standing, moving and sprinting. When it comes to recoil you should use at least 100 shots in like 25 shot bursts or so (if possible) to show the average recoil spread not just a few examples where there could be randomness which isn't accounted for. A good example of how to test weapon stats really well is rogue 9, he does the same sort of thing you do but for R6 Siege.
@ I mean not everyone is doing YT for absolute success. Some just doing it because they like making videos. Also you sounds like someone that never scrolls down to see someone's first video.
@@TheXclusiveAce TheXclusiveAce fair enough for the hipfire but when it comes to recoil I just don't think your testing it properly, i watch most your gun guides and I just either don't understand the conclusion you make on recoil or feel like there were clear discrepancies which could've swayed the results of tour analysis
The dominant fennec setup Deadfall barrel to help with range and suppression The 40 round mag to help with the brrrrt side The stippled grip tape for ads Either the tac laser or the commando fire grip depending if you want accuracy or speed The forge tac cqc stock for ads This setup really makes the fennec god tier at its play style if you want a rush/flank gun and is best paired up with double time ghost and amped up just in case you still run out of ammo and need to swap to a secondary any pistol/launcher you use the setups that he suggested are ok but this is god tier fennec I’ve used this to gold and the Damascus mastery calling card and obsidian emblem
Highly recommend running an X16 in the secondary slot with the fully loaded perk and because they use the same ammo, u get fully loaded on the fennec, as well.
this video was great, just came looking for some good footage of the fennec and instead found a fantastic, well created, and detailed resource for future use!
I can’t seem to make this gun work for me, no matter what I do. It just feels way too inconsistent. I think I’ll stick to the P90. EDIT: I’m not looking for class suggestions, just venting.
The ZLR barrel + No Stock is a great combination. You get sound suppression and extended range, and the no stock attachment cancels out all of the negatives that go along with the ZLR.
IDK but i use the long barrel, the special suppressor, the 40 mag, the angle (idk the name) but which improves recoil stabilization and no stock, and trust me, at least in PC that combo makes this gun a freaking monster, i usually make above 25 kills up to 50 in multiplayer, alzo in warzone its still decent, with the long barrel the suppressor and the angle you get amazing recoil control AND stabilization which is great to control the side to side recoil also to counter the non stock which gives u amazing speed and decent ads, try it and u will se ;)
Personally I love playing with this gun in warzone right now it really works as a secondary to a LMG or just a longer range assault rifle.. favorite loudout is Breun/ Vector lot of fun and can really take on all ranges with it
It should have a faster reload speed than the MP5 since the MP5 is supposed to be the all round versatile SMG, so having faster reload speed than MP5 would give Vector a good boost in CQC situations.
I prefer the standard mag, or the hollow points if I'm feeling extra accurate, over the 40 round drum. But I play hardcore so I don't need 40 rounds to get a few kills. I can see you needing it for core though.
The drum does help with not having to reload, which help keep the streaks coming especially in smaller maps. I was surprised at how much damage you can do with just 12 hollow points in that mag though.
I thought the Fennec was broken but after your video I think it’s fine. Good to have Ace on our community to shed some light on stuff like this with real data.
I’ve thought about it, and maybe this is what the “meta” SMGs need as a nerf. Best up close, but hard to use at range. Maybe not to the extent of how the Fennec is at range, but enough so you really don’t get sniped by the MP5.
the way i use the vector is as a secondary to an ar. i use the deadfall barrel, no stock, 40 mags, stippled grip, and sleight of hand. it’s perfect for clearing out a building.
The X16 also shares ammo with the Fennec, so you can put the X16 with 26 round mags and fully loaded or akimbo (doesn't really matter that much) as your secondary and have enough ammo.
I use the deadfall barrel, no stock, stippled grip, 40 round mags and merc foregrip. It's a monster of a weapon. Plus the Apex/Sabre combo only gives you one extra meter in range over the deadfall
@@rifie1495 actually do..A person could handle better with weapon B..while weapon A is the META and still out perform. It comes down to skill, preference, & playstyle..but you can take several seat with your ignorance. 💁🏾♂️
The build I've been using (as an snd player) is the 18" barrel, 40 round mag, sleight of hand, no stock, and merc foregrip. Imo you can't use this on some of the maps dominated by rifles bc you get outclassed at most ranges, but on the rest of the maps you should be dominating most gunfights in buildings and around bombsites. I do recommend using a secondary that uses 45 and fully loaded which is mentioned in this vid. I use the x16 bc I prefer to have more shots but the 1911 also works.
If you're using fully loaded on pistol for ammo sharing, I reccomend using X16. It has the same caliber as the fennec and carries more reserve ammo than the 1911 when using fully loaded
Yeah it’s ridiculous. You’re basically limiting yourself to 1-2 kill streaks if you play in the thick of the fighting rather than on the edges. The MP5 kills quicker, has a larger mag, and reloads about the same speed
Hey Ace, I've got a suggestion for these videos. I think a specific stat you should cover isn't just the magazine size, but the time to empty. This stat could really help when picking weapon attatchments and such. So, while this gun has more ammo technically than the scar per clip, the scar definitely has a longer "time to empty." I feel like this is a more telling stat when it comes to how much fighting one can do before the reload is necessary. Love the videos, solid content, just something that I'd like to see. Edit: To clarify, I mean by time to empty as in the time from when the mag is full, the player starts firing, to when the mag is empty. That exact time can be very telling and important when affecting certain decisions of gun choice and attatchments.
If u want more amo with the hollow points if u run the striker with the hollow pints and fully loaded as yo secondary it works. I also like running amped so when I run out of my mag I can switch fast and keep shooting
I’ve been using it since it’s come out. Gave it a solid go. I still like the MP5 better. I’ve now seen this video and that pretty much confirmed that. Thank you!
Amax/Fennec been my go to since they dropped, I cant belive how fast the Amax shreds even at medium range ive been slapping graus and m4 setups with it!!
If you want extra ammo for the Fennec, equipping an X16 as a secondary can give you up to 210 rounds, more than the 1911. To get the full 210 however, you need both Fully loaded AND the 26 round mags on the X16. Equipping just one or the other will give you 135-145 rounds instead
I needed this bullet hose of a gun. I admit it isn’t as Versatile as the MP5 or MP7, but it’s better than both of them up close and I’m extremely aggressive so I don’t utilize that versatility a lot.
I like this a lot more than the mp5 because of the TTK and the mobility. It’s insane, I honestly pick this over the mp5 just because it feels so much better and I always end up out gunning an mp5
I been using this in plunder. I run around and grab as much as I can while using the Fennec but rely on my Bruen for the battles at a distance. Up close the fennec is a beast, so im thinking of taking off some of the attachments that slow it down and make it the very best it can be at really close range and not even consider it for medium range fighting.
For those who aren’t familiar with US Firearms Laws. The Fennec’s Kriss Vector) 18in doesn’t have an integral suppressor, it’s just a barrel shroud that keeps the Fennec (Kriss Vector) a title 1 under US law. A Title 1 is any firearm that isn’t full auto with an barrel length of at least 16in. (Handguns do fall under title 1 firearms that can be sold to US citizens to my knowledge).
you can also use the X-16 for .45 ammo, and if you want more ammo for the hollowpoints, overkill with the Striker .45 and use it's hollowpoints with fully-loaded
My preference for running this gun is 18"deadfall barrel, 1mw laser, no stock, 40rnd mag, and sleight if hand. Hardly no downsides except recoil which the deadfall counters nice. The no stock helps with movement, ads speed, and pushing the sights out a bit to be much less obstructive
I struggle to enjoy this weapon, even after fully upgrading it... Honestly one of the most painful weapons I’ve ever had the displeasure of upgrading until I finally unlocked attachments that made it better. The devs did a good job balancing this gun.
I am enjoying using both new guns as an overkill class, use fennec for indoors and amax for outdoors. Never thought of using 1911 with fully loaded though, good to know!
It's great as a secondary in Warzone with the Grau as Primary. Probably better off with an MP5, but if you land your shots, nothing beats this up close. Absolutely shreds through armor and downs people fast.
for my close range setup i run 40 round mags, sleight of hand, no stock, 16 inch barrel, and depending on what map and game mode i might run the last one as sabre suppressor or a laser.
Another thing that you kinda missed is that you can actually put the hollow point striker 45 on as your overkill weapon with fully loaded if you wanted extra hollow point rounds lol
As a hollow point setup I use tune up with stopping power rounds as you get 25 stopping power rounds and it makes it guaranteed 2 shot kill which just melts people
Even with a normal sized mag and reload speed it still wouldn’t be broken. It’s range is worse than most other smgs and it’s ads is slower. And the attachments used to increase the range give it a slow AR ads speed which makes it less good at doing what it’s supposed to do
Now I dont know if you tested this but in drifters video on the vector he point out that when you combine the apex barrel with the saber suppressor it only gives you 1 extra meter because there is a cap on it.
Ace, how did you get 68% range increase if you stack the 16" barrel and ZLR suppressor? Separately, they add (according to your stats) 35% range for the barrel, and 20% for the ZLR suppressor, so wouldn't that total at 55% range increase?
TheXclusiveAce driftor says when those attachments are stacked it only increase the range by 1 metre. That sounds like a big difference compared to your results. Is that correct?
No it’s because it’s so op it should take like 4 or 6 shots from the head at close range because it shoots fast. Bye the time I shoot once with a shotgun they’ve already killed me
I think when setup properly it's in the top-tier of SMGs, but it is in a very balanced spot by fulfilling 1 or 2 specific roles depending on the attachments
The class I use for the Fennec in warzone is something like this: ZLR Saber (muzzle) 16 inch apex (barrel) Tac Laser (Laser) 40 round Drum (mag) Commando foregrip (foregrip)
11:13 you don’t need to run that combination you need to run the deadfall barrel combined to the 40 round mag this really plays to the fennecs strengths and doesn’t affect the weakness of the gun
First guy around the corner: "$#%^*&^ Fennec, so OP."
Second guy around the corner: "Haha, look at this idiot reloading his Fennec."
Lmao
Big facts. Sleight of hand is a must on this gun, especially for chronic reloaders.
😂 Relatable. That’s why sleight of hand is a must
Sunny wow ur so gud
Fact
best thing about the fennec is the fact that you don’t need mounted kills to get gold
yessssss
I have been trying to do the long shot kills with it for a week now, that’s all I need to get gold. I am at 4
Adam Lubert just go into hardcore
Adam Lubert or use the Hollowpoint and play any 10v10 game
I know you play on console, but I switched to PC and I'm getting 130fps minimum... What does it do to these numbers?
I love the "brrrrrrrt" gun. Everytime I pull the trigger I feel like I'm calling a precision airstrike on my enemies
It's not even close to what it should be
It’s a handheld A-10 Warthog lol
Damn I gotta try it now! Love the A10! Saved my plums twice overseas!! 🤘🏽👏🏼
@@xbeastone3764 it's sounds like plastic toys here imo, it sounds too weak
A10 fires like 3 times faster
*Base Stats*
0:20 Damage Multipliers + Shots to Kill
0:55 Rate of Fire + Time to Kill
1:21 Ranges (Core, Suppressors [including Sabre], and Hardcore)
2:23 Hipfire
2:40 Idle Sway
2:54 Recoil
3:21 Handling (ADS + Sprintout Speeds)
3:44 Ammo Capacity
3:54 Reload Speed
4:20 Mobility (Movement + ADS Strafe Speed)
4:40 Bullet Velocity
*Hollow Point Conversion*
5:20 Damage
5:53 RoF + TTK
6:41 Ranges
7:02 Recoil
7:13 Bullet Velocity
7:33 Handling, Mobility + Reload Speed
*Attachments*
8:23 ZLR Sabre Suppressor
Barrels
9:07 ZLR 16” Apex
9:44 ZLR 18” Deadfall
10:36 Apex + Sabre Suggestion
11:08 40 Round Drum Magazine
*Attachment Setups*
12:03 Versatility
13:33 HP Rounds
14:50 Conclusion
Thank you, Bob.
Legend
The video is only 16 minutes dude
Bob the builder, the man himself
I love you Bob. There, I said it.
I always loved the Vector. I have to say though the reload even with slight of hand feels very slow in this game.
That is for balance
Heard about weapon balance kid?
The way they balanced it isn't right though, they could've just reduced the ammo count to 13 for a stock mag and then go up to 25 or a 33 round conversion for 9 mil with a quick reload for all of them
@@williewilson2250 No, that isn't balanced and kills the weapon. You don't know what you're talking about.
@@DamienDarksideBlog
How does it kill the weapons the performance of the bullets is the same just less of them.
“However keep in mind that this is still a little bit slower than the mp5 (and aug) up close” - that says it all really about the current meta state of smgs, even with a 1111rpm beast, the mp5 still tops it, that’s just ridiculous!
This is absolutely true. Time for a meta shift of you ask me.
yeah the mp5 outclasses it in pretty much every way
Grandmaster Yado exactly, and I can’t speak to the smgs but I definitely think the new Amax AR will be the next “dominant” rifle once the grau is nerfed
Nah fuck this gun it’s so annoying. I don’t want it nerfed but if they buffed it it would be insanely op
That's only to 15 meters, after that the Fennec wins and it has a faster TTK in Warzone.
I love the idea of hollow points while literally everyone is wearing armor. You should actually be doing significantly less damage as your bullets frag off their plates lol
unless youre hitting limbs. all the insurgency games actually work this way, kneecapping someone with hollow points or buckshot can one-shot in situations where landing a center mass hit wouldn't. its an interesting mechanic, but fuck realism its CoD lol
What are our bullets if fmj and hollows are options?
john smith FMJ are most common; they are lead projectiles encased in copper. AP are a lead projectile with something harder as the tip and typically jacketed in copper. HP/JHP are lead projectiles with a concave “tip” that causes the bullet to expand on impacts. Works terrible on armor, but great on flesh and militaries are not supposed to use it, but it is commonly used for law enforcement and self defense ammunition because it is less likely to overpenetrate a target or go through a wall. There are a few others like hard cast and soft nose but those are niche rounds.
Zach Summers Level 3 Kevlar will also usually stop it. It’s a slow and heavy round so it does a terrible job with armor.
@@joshuaradick5679 I think John Smith's point was, if both "FMJ" and "HP" are optional perks for setting up a class/loadout... then what type of 45ACP round is being used by the Fennec when neither of those options are selected (joke?). I think it's a good point, and a funny one to call out =]
"No full auto in buildings!"
"Its not full auto"
Elite Snakeeyes “this is full auto:”
@@UnknownStrobes *BBBRRRRTTTT*
Dayum bro okey!
All my airsofting pals know the pain of these words.
I love how ace always has the most facts and numbers and still ends the video with: "This is just my opninion"
When an lmg, the Bruen with the 60 round mag, reloads faster than an the Fennec, an smg...
Bruuuuhh
Because unrealistic balance
That's cod logic for you
The bruen w 60 round mags reloads faster than quite alot of guns in the game...
I mean how is that cod logic it's not a mag you have to open and load bullets in, it's like Ar's with 60 round mags where they come out of the gun and get replaced
Still the vector is slow but I'm just saying the bruen isn't a fair comparison
the X16, which has much larger magazines than the 1911, also uses .45 ACP, resulting in a larger ammo pool from start.
cassiusxg thanks
I was going to post this if I didn't see it but good on ya for pointing it out.
Don't forget, extended mags on your sidearm also affect your ammo pool, even if you are using fully loaded. So put on those extendo magos, cuz.
@@skuzzyj Plus Akimbo.
plus the 1911 sucks so x16 would be a better choice in many situations
If you put fully loaded onto the 1911 perk you'll have max ammo ; )
Poor Wyatt, you always use his model to portrait the damage. He's such a nice guy.
Yeah Poor Wyatt
Wyatt is the most innocent skin, I feel bad shooting him in games.
Fucker shot me!
A bit of body armoh heh
He apparently joined the military "for the challenge"
MP5: You can’t defeat me.
Vector: I know, but he can.
*TH-camrs overrating the Vector as OP*
Lmao mp5 is still king
We need a new meta
I'm not a TH-camr, but a semi pro cod4 promod with 5 years of experience in that game between 2008 and 2012. Fennec full equipped is better than MP5 not because it's more versatile (which is not) but because at close range does the job better. This game tries to reward you with every gun because of low recoil and high damage at ranges (smgs in cod4 at range could take up to 10 bullets and recoil was insane compared), so that makes you think it's worse. Changing the mindset that you can beat everyone at any range to play exclusively CQB will reward you much more.
MP5 has more bullets and less fire rate, but what are the instances where you will need to kill 4-5 guys in seconds? That could be possible with MP5 with 45 rounds, where Fennec will do 2, max 3 and reload. At range? Well, the fennec almost doesn't jump, justo go straight up so it's doable. Hip fire is better and faster, which is more important than killing at range for smgs.
Also I improved my CQB performance with this gun, so that could be a good sign.
Just my 2 cents.
@@JorgeAlarconL If I can hold an A10 warthog in my hands and brrtt 2 dudes around a corner I'm all for it
@@JorgeAlarconL I'll agree at extreme close ranges the "Fennec" is better, yeah ttk is worse blah blah blah but fact is 1v1 you'll probably beat mp5 if you're in a phonebox and equal skill. Every other scenario though, the mp5 wins. Fact. Multiple enemies? Mp5 wins. Range? Mp5 wins.
The fact you don't have to adjust your play style to use the mp5 effectively is exactly why it's the best sub, and arguably, gun in the game.
Regarding the secondary, the X16 also shares ammo, which I personally prefer to the 1911. I don't know about the 1911, but the X16 with the biggest magazine and fully loaded means you spawn in with over 200 rounds in reserve.
Aside from using the X16 for to boost your "Ammo count" instead of the 1911, you get more reserve ammo if you use Akimbo vs Fully Loaded
And gives a better secondary
X16, biggest extended mag, Akimbo.
Very true and good point! Extend mag and x16 with no attachment is 40/108. So you are definitely right.
Does it matter much? In most cases, you’ll die before you even come close to using all of your ammo.
Bestgameplayer10 then ur trash m8
I greatly prefer the P90 due to the larger mag, more controllable recoil, and massively higher bullet velocity (P90 shoots 5.7x28mm which is basically a rifle round) with almost no bullet drop. P90 in theory should also have superior barrier penetration. It's vastly better at mid to long ranges. The Fennec is designed for such close range that you would be better off using a shotgun.
And the reload
The Vector is definitely alot of fun. Makes campers rage and the sound is amazing. Especially when several people use it
the moment we’ve all been waiting for
Hi gumball
this gun is definitely overrated, it’s super fun to use and everything but it still can’t beat the versatility of the mp5
It’s overrated on warzone for sure, but on multiplayer it’s great if you don’t try to beam someone across the map.
Whenever a new gun comes out, everyone’s like “OMG! NEW FENNEC SMG OVERPOWERED1?1?1!,!?.? NEW BEST SETUP!BETTER THAN MP5!?!?
I will say, it still is not as good as the mp5 but the burst on this gun makes it a lot better
Mp5 will always be top dog, but it gets boring using the same gun all the time.
I agree definitely fun to use but it’s very niche.
"The fennec isn't really a submachine gun you want to be using at longer ranges."
Me on hardcore with my fennec sniper abomination: "i must have missed the memo."
Whats your attachment setup?
You can use any gun at long range in hardcore you’re not special
@@PewPewShootEmUp thank you for your input
I comment sometimes dumbass you can’t use shotguns at long range (except for 725 that guns broken as fuck)
@@coiledbug2394 although you cant snipe with 725 anymore, its was funny and op as shit
I really hope the mp5 gets nerfed so that the fennec can find a place in this game. I don’t see many people running around with a fennec. A 1111rpm .45 acp shouldn’t be beat out by a 9mm lower fire rate weapon.
I see tones running around with it what lobbies are you in?? Its just they arent doing so well with the gun so some have already went back to mp5
Alex Videoman Im in the type of lobbies with people that run the m4 and mp5 with cdl skins
I sold my soul to the mp5, if they nerf it, someone’s gonna find themselves at the bottom of a staircase
Man ismn warzne
Its because the mp5 is so op it's stupid.
Anyone else hate the iron sights on this gun? Feel like I can’t see a darn thing.
Personally I think they’re great. The front post is very thin, and the semi circle that surrounds it doesn’t block your vision too much. But the rear portion is quite obstructive, so I suppose it varies from person to person.
Feels like the ram iron sights
It feels so thin and like if I can't hit my shots because of it
Hate obtrusive sights. If they could just chop the top half of the rear sight ring it would be enough of an improvement
Oh God, me too!
I love to use the 40 round mag combined with a 5mw laser. It’s perfect for rushing.
13:10 The M1911 is pretty trash since it has the most recoil of the light pistols and has the lowest fire rate cap and smallest mag, so using the X16 is better since you have a bigger mag, better fire rate cap, and still use the same .45 ACP ammo.
1911 is the best pistol for akimbo imo, at least at this point.
.45 Match Grade Barrel
5mw Laser
Lightweight Trigger
15 rnd Mags
Akimbo
Try it, I promise you it'll shred. Probably gonna be my first obsidian weapon
@@skullhammer9899
I'd say Renetti with the burst mod is best for akimbo. It deletes everything at close range and is the closest thing to a full auto secondary that we have currently
If u have a good trigger finger, akimbo M19 with light trigger 32 mag 5mw laser, and the range barrel or mono suppressor
@@pluto3194 yeah but they nerfed the fire rate on the burst mod and murdered the spread on it. Combining lightweight trigger with burst and then combining burst with akimbo each add severe spread and lessens the fire rate bonus. I honestly kill faster with the renetti with the expected attachments but an extended barrel instead of burst
Skullhammer98 don’t use a long barrel for akimbo it affects the hip fire. Granted with a 5MW you’re making up for it, but if you use a monolithic suppressor for a little extra range you can maintain the hip fire and then use a 1MW so you’re not giving yourself away.
The Fennec is one of my favourite weapons for one good reason: It's actually very well balanced. It shreds in close range but that's it. It's pretty clunky and difficult to use at range. That's what the guns in MW 2019 should be like: It has a specific purpose and performs well if you use it the way it's meant to be.
I just want to give a bit of feedback when it comes to you testing recoil and hipfire spread, you should show the hipfire while crouched, proned, standing, moving and sprinting. When it comes to recoil you should use at least 100 shots in like 25 shot bursts or so (if possible) to show the average recoil spread not just a few examples where there could be randomness which isn't accounted for. A good example of how to test weapon stats really well is rogue 9, he does the same sort of thing you do but for R6 Siege.
I appreciate the feedback but that would be information overload for a series like this.
Feedback: make your own YT channel so you can showcase it on your own.
@ I mean not everyone is doing YT for absolute success. Some just doing it because they like making videos.
Also you sounds like someone that never scrolls down to see someone's first video.
@@ridhosamudro2199 i tried starting a YT channel a few years ago, i just couldn't commit myself enough to it and I didn't really enjoy editing
@@TheXclusiveAce TheXclusiveAce fair enough for the hipfire but when it comes to recoil I just don't think your testing it properly, i watch most your gun guides and I just either don't understand the conclusion you make on recoil or feel like there were clear discrepancies which could've swayed the results of tour analysis
Ya know you're early when the video is only in 360p
At least my internet can keep up with 360p :D
Lol yeah
Ace!! The only COD TH-camr to ever bring up the importance of bullet velocity
Waiting on amax, sorry just too lazy to test all this stuff myself. Like how u help us all out.
Amad is the 2nd best are in multiplayer easily
Amax is pure trash... there's your video
@@alanlife3083 AMAX is cod4 AK47. Now we really have a very good long range weapon with high damage. AK47 was a bit too slow.
@@alanlife3083 it absolutely deletes people, if you dont like it thats opinion cause it's easy top 5 in the game
@@riptaiyo pretty much my go to class for any gun in the game lol
The dominant fennec setup
Deadfall barrel to help with range and suppression
The 40 round mag to help with the brrrrt side
The stippled grip tape for ads
Either the tac laser or the commando fire grip depending if you want accuracy or speed
The forge tac cqc stock for ads
This setup really makes the fennec god tier at its play style if you want a rush/flank gun and is best paired up with double time ghost and amped up just in case you still run out of ammo and need to swap to a secondary any pistol/launcher you use the setups that he suggested are ok but this is god tier fennec I’ve used this to gold and the Damascus mastery calling card and obsidian emblem
It's so slow. ADS/reload time. Apart from that, Iove it.
they’re pretty meh in the ergonomics category irl so it’s quite fitting
Jeremy McDonald meh
Highly recommend running an X16 in the secondary slot with the fully loaded perk and because they use the same ammo, u get fully loaded on the fennec, as well.
11:28 Or you know they could be doing the no attachment camo challenges
this video was great, just came looking for some good footage of the fennec and instead found a fantastic, well created, and detailed resource for future use!
I can’t seem to make this gun work for me, no matter what I do. It just feels way too inconsistent. I think I’ll stick to the P90.
EDIT: I’m not looking for class suggestions, just venting.
P90 ftw❤️
Yeah. Sometimes you feel like a god sometimes you feel like ur shooting air soft pellets
Try to Uzi
Yeah it's not great outside of close range. It's great but I'll stick with the MP7
I think it's the bullet velocity combined with low damage
The ZLR barrel + No Stock is a great combination. You get sound suppression and extended range, and the no stock attachment cancels out all of the negatives that go along with the ZLR.
IDK but i use the long barrel, the special suppressor, the 40 mag, the angle (idk the name) but which improves recoil stabilization and no stock, and trust me, at least in PC that combo makes this gun a freaking monster, i usually make above 25 kills up to 50 in multiplayer, alzo in warzone its still decent, with the long barrel the suppressor and the angle you get amazing recoil control AND stabilization which is great to control the side to side recoil also to counter the non stock which gives u amazing speed and decent ads, try it and u will se ;)
also with a more aggressive play style i would improve the reload time in exchange for the angle below the barrel ;)
Personally I love playing with this gun in warzone right now it really works as a secondary to a LMG or just a longer range assault rifle.. favorite loudout is Breun/ Vector lot of fun and can really take on all ranges with it
15:09 *and so, man discovered fire*
(that dude stepping into the thermite 🤣🤣🤣)
It should have a faster reload speed than the MP5 since the MP5 is supposed to be the all round versatile SMG, so having faster reload speed than MP5 would give Vector a good boost in CQC situations.
I prefer the standard mag, or the hollow points if I'm feeling extra accurate, over the 40 round drum. But I play hardcore so I don't need 40 rounds to get a few kills. I can see you needing it for core though.
The drum does help with not having to reload, which help keep the streaks coming especially in smaller maps. I was surprised at how much damage you can do with just 12 hollow points in that mag though.
I thought the Fennec was broken but after your video I think it’s fine. Good to have Ace on our community to shed some light on stuff like this with real data.
Got this in recommendation after it’s in codm
Yeah 😂
dude codm just added sbmm recently, smh
I like that you can use hollow pint rounds and no stock together makes the gun feel like a staple gun
I’ve thought about it, and maybe this is what the “meta” SMGs need as a nerf. Best up close, but hard to use at range. Maybe not to the extent of how the Fennec is at range, but enough so you really don’t get sniped by the MP5.
I’d be surprised if they got you at long range with normal ammo but with 10mm rounds it’s very good. Definitely a better option.
I actually snipe people with the fennec
the way i use the vector is as a secondary to an ar. i use the deadfall barrel, no stock, 40 mags, stippled grip, and sleight of hand. it’s perfect for clearing out a building.
My whole squad with the vector: "Task force 1111"
DUDE! So clutch on that Fully loaded with the 1911 set up. Had no idea that's a game changer I can have that an slight of hand now
I use fully loaded for the x16 it’s my favorite pistol and even though it looks like a 9mm glock it uses 45.acp
And the Russians use it in the campaign on the prison mission
Every glock looks the same lmao
Derek Williams No they don’t tf?
The X16 also shares ammo with the Fennec, so you can put the X16 with 26 round mags and fully loaded or akimbo (doesn't really matter that much) as your secondary and have enough ammo.
I wish you could switch ammo conversions mid life, that would make the attachment slot much more utilized
You must be joking
You do realize you don’t just change ammo
you serious? that’s not how that works
That makes 0 sense, ik this is cod but that’d be stupid even by cod standards
@@alexamparo817 It is - for the Vector, UMP and probably Galil at least. Obv. not on the M4, M13 and AK though.
I use the deadfall barrel, no stock, stippled grip, 40 round mags and merc foregrip. It's a monster of a weapon.
Plus the Apex/Sabre combo only gives you one extra meter in range over the deadfall
100% overrated. If the reload time and drop off where buffed then it would be Broken like people say.
Mp5 does everything the fennec can do and more
Yikes it’s a nice change from the mp5 but like the mp5 it somebody has good aim u don’t stand a chanve
@@yikes3013 I definitely feel like I could do much better running the Vector than the MP5. 10mm or not.
@@jonathanwilson1539 stats dont lie. your feelings mean nothing lmao
@@rifie1495 actually do..A person could handle better with weapon B..while weapon A is the META and still out perform. It comes down to skill, preference, & playstyle..but you can take several seat with your ignorance. 💁🏾♂️
The build I've been using (as an snd player) is the 18" barrel, 40 round mag, sleight of hand, no stock, and merc foregrip. Imo you can't use this on some of the maps dominated by rifles bc you get outclassed at most ranges, but on the rest of the maps you should be dominating most gunfights in buildings and around bombsites. I do recommend using a secondary that uses 45 and fully loaded which is mentioned in this vid. I use the x16 bc I prefer to have more shots but the 1911 also works.
It just seems like the MP5 is still better in literally every possible way
It is... but using the same gun is boring 😂
Zachary Y.
Honestly after more than one match of using the MP5 I feel soulless
Yes.
If you're using fully loaded on pistol for ammo sharing, I reccomend using X16. It has the same caliber as the fennec and carries more reserve ammo than the 1911 when using fully loaded
If anything, this gun needs a buff. That reload speed is WAAAAAY to harsh for a small magazine.
no it’s fine imo
I think it's fine as is. Plan your reloads better if that's an issue for you. It's very well balanced for what should be an absolutely broken weapon
Someguy1237 it’s really not that good. This is coming from someone with all obsidian smgs and ars. I’d say a buff to its reload would do it good.
@@blaydv2242
It lacks the versatility of some other SMGs, but it is top tier in close range 1v1s unless they have a shotgun.
Yeah it’s ridiculous. You’re basically limiting yourself to 1-2 kill streaks if you play in the thick of the fighting rather than on the edges. The MP5 kills quicker, has a larger mag, and reloads about the same speed
Hey Ace, I've got a suggestion for these videos. I think a specific stat you should cover isn't just the magazine size, but the time to empty. This stat could really help when picking weapon attatchments and such. So, while this gun has more ammo technically than the scar per clip, the scar definitely has a longer "time to empty." I feel like this is a more telling stat when it comes to how much fighting one can do before the reload is necessary.
Love the videos, solid content, just something that I'd like to see.
Edit: To clarify, I mean by time to empty as in the time from when the mag is full, the player starts firing, to when the mag is empty. That exact time can be very telling and important when affecting certain decisions of gun choice and attatchments.
"the hollowpoint rounds aren't shared with the 1911 for some reason" probably cos they're hollowpoint rounds lmao
You do know hollow point rounds aren’t a different size bullet right?
Any .45 gun can shoot hollowpoint
@@TheOneandOnlyCornBread | But the 1911 in this game doesn't have hollowpoint rounds available to it.
Nick G cod logic
If u want more amo with the hollow points if u run the striker with the hollow pints and fully loaded as yo secondary it works. I also like running amped so when I run out of my mag I can switch fast and keep shooting
Anyone stuck at 360p?
it hurts my eyes, I feel like I have been transported back to 2006.
That's the standard definition processing which means you were early enough for the HD video to process
I’ve been using it since it’s come out. Gave it a solid go. I still like the MP5 better. I’ve now seen this video and that pretty much confirmed that. Thank you!
Amax/Fennec been my go to since they dropped, I cant belive how fast the Amax shreds even at medium range ive been slapping graus and m4 setups with it!!
Has ace done a vid on the amax yet?
If you want extra ammo for the Fennec, equipping an X16 as a secondary can give you up to 210 rounds, more than the 1911. To get the full 210 however, you need both Fully loaded AND the 26 round mags on the X16. Equipping just one or the other will give you 135-145 rounds instead
I needed this bullet hose of a gun. I admit it isn’t as Versatile as the MP5 or MP7, but it’s better than both of them up close and I’m extremely aggressive so I don’t utilize that versatility a lot.
Same
Mp5 kills faster up close unfortunently
As long as its fun to use, doesn't matter if the mp5/7 kills faster honestly. Its a game after all.
I like this a lot more than the mp5 because of the TTK and the mobility. It’s insane, I honestly pick this over the mp5 just because it feels so much better and I always end up out gunning an mp5
I been using this in plunder. I run around and grab as much as I can while using the Fennec but rely on my Bruen for the battles at a distance. Up close the fennec is a beast, so im thinking of taking off some of the attachments that slow it down and make it the very best it can be at really close range and not even consider it for medium range fighting.
This gun IS op right now.
Man, coming back it really sounds like you're reading off a script here. You have improved a lot
For those who aren’t familiar with US Firearms Laws. The Fennec’s Kriss Vector) 18in doesn’t have an integral suppressor, it’s just a barrel shroud that keeps the Fennec (Kriss Vector) a title 1 under US law. A Title 1 is any firearm that isn’t full auto with an barrel length of at least 16in. (Handguns do fall under title 1 firearms that can be sold to US citizens to my knowledge).
you can also use the X-16 for .45 ammo, and if you want more ammo for the hollowpoints, overkill with the Striker .45 and use it's hollowpoints with fully-loaded
My preference for running this gun is 18"deadfall barrel, 1mw laser, no stock, 40rnd mag, and sleight if hand. Hardly no downsides except recoil which the deadfall counters nice. The no stock helps with movement, ads speed, and pushing the sights out a bit to be much less obstructive
I struggle to enjoy this weapon, even after fully upgrading it... Honestly one of the most painful weapons I’ve ever had the displeasure of upgrading until I finally unlocked attachments that made it better. The devs did a good job balancing this gun.
Imma simple person, I see an ace gun guide I click like. Hope you had a nice holiday in Norway my dude
14:26 you could use overkill and use the striker with hollow point rounds to increase the ammo pool
I love this gun. I don't think it deserves the "It's OHPEEE, REEEEE" but I'm not surprised in this community.
Compared to MW2 the guns in this game are plenty balanced, but everyone's gotta have something to vent
I am enjoying using both new guns as an overkill class, use fennec for indoors and amax for outdoors. Never thought of using 1911 with fully loaded though, good to know!
I MEAN
you wanna compare this with driftor or god gun guide? efficient, concise, accurate.
You are the best Ace
I'm having fun trying to max this out. I've already maxed out the MP5 and P90 so this is my new close range gun.
It's great as a secondary in Warzone with the Grau as Primary. Probably better off with an MP5, but if you land your shots, nothing beats this up close. Absolutely shreds through armor and downs people fast.
for my close range setup i run 40 round mags, sleight of hand, no stock, 16 inch barrel, and depending on what map and game mode i might run the last one as sabre suppressor or a laser.
The Return of the King
I like the color change at top for ammo conversions. Good touch
I think what draws people to the Vector in this game is the fact that the rate of fire so fast, that if you miss its less punishing.
Another thing that you kinda missed is that you can actually put the hollow point striker 45 on as your overkill weapon with fully loaded if you wanted extra hollow point rounds lol
As a hollow point setup I use tune up with stopping power rounds as you get 25 stopping power rounds and it makes it guaranteed 2 shot kill which just melts people
The X16 is also 45 acp and it has a lot more extra ammo than the 1911. Also u can put fully loaded and extended mags on it to boost ammo even more
Even with a normal sized mag and reload speed it still wouldn’t be broken. It’s range is worse than most other smgs and it’s ads is slower. And the attachments used to increase the range give it a slow AR ads speed which makes it less good at doing what it’s supposed to do
close quarters set up is good.
- cqb nose breaker muzzle.
- 40 rounds mag
- hip lazer
- merc forgrip
- slight of hand
Now I dont know if you tested this but in drifters video on the vector he point out that when you combine the apex barrel with the saber suppressor it only gives you 1 extra meter because there is a cap on it.
The striker hollow points do share with the fennec. So you can always Overkill and fully load and have plenty of hollow points for the fennec
I using it right now with hollow point rounds and... it's quite challenging, but when you're in right distance it's dominating!😈
Ace, how did you get 68% range increase if you stack the 16" barrel and ZLR suppressor? Separately, they add (according to your stats) 35% range for the barrel, and 20% for the ZLR suppressor, so wouldn't that total at 55% range increase?
1.4x1.2= 1.68
TheXclusiveAce driftor says when those attachments are stacked it only increase the range by 1 metre. That sounds like a big difference compared to your results. Is that correct?
@@TheXclusiveAce I see, good catch. But shouldn't that formula be 1.35x1.2 (35% for the barrel, 20% for the suppressor)?
@@ajharmiah2692 Drift0r also says he can't test things accurately, so I stopped believing any of his (Drift0r's) stats.
Man this gun is all that I’ve been seeing the enemy team use as well as the amax.
I think people call the vector op because they got deleted by it at close range once, but if you stretch the range it turns into a nerf gun
No it’s because it’s so op it should take like 4 or 6 shots from the head at close range because it shoots fast. Bye the time I shoot once with a shotgun they’ve already killed me
I think when setup properly it's in the top-tier of SMGs, but it is in a very balanced spot by fulfilling 1 or 2 specific roles depending on the attachments
I absolutely love the fennec! I know it's definitely not the mp5 but it's just a joy to shoot imo
The class I use for the Fennec in warzone is something like this:
ZLR Saber (muzzle)
16 inch apex (barrel)
Tac Laser (Laser)
40 round Drum (mag)
Commando foregrip (foregrip)
11:13 you don’t need to run that combination you need to run the deadfall barrel combined to the 40 round mag this really plays to the fennecs strengths and doesn’t affect the weakness of the gun
you could also use the x16 with extended mags and fully loaded if you prefer that instead