New Audi RS4, Old Audi RS4s, New RS4 v C63. Phew. - /CHRIS HARRIS ON CARS
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- We drive the new Audi RS4, try the original B5, the amazing B7 and then match the latest version against the 6.2 litre Mercedes C63.
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After watching this review about 100 times i bought a B7 RS4 yesterday, funny thing is that it looks exactly the same as the one chris is driving, even the whole interior :) Thank you Chris, your reviews are simply the best!
how did it go
@@Samal_ibra haha wow, this takes me back. It went well i guess. Modified the exhaust system but other than that i left it stock. Had it for some 2 years :)
I had one years ago and just bought another one few days ago.
@@noiztraumawhat did you end up replacing the rs4?
Interesting to watch in 2020... When Audi puts Diesel engines in their performance cars...
Dan not a single RS-car or R-car has a diesel
Wait wut
@@Marcus-kw2ed but s4 s6 are diesel now ... They used to be the competition to 335i 340i for bmw and s6 to 550i and the mercedes E500 etc. Pretty much any sane person would pick the S4 B8.5 or the S6 C7 instead of those dull diesels. Don't get me wrong buddy I do drive a diesel as a daily bmw 535d but if I am paying for more performace oriented car I would never give a cent for this bullshit. Also don't give me the RS argument since RS is a direct competator to M3/M4/M5 and AMG where the price tag is for those few who have the financial status to afford one and that is far less people then those who can spend for S4/S6.
Stefan Netitrea yes that’s what I meant, the performance cars (Rs) are still petrol but the slightly sporty cars (S) have gone diesel. I would pick a b8 S4/Rs4 all day over the newer Turbo versions too, because the old 4,2fsi is a masterpiece IMO, and although the new 2,9TT is good too, it doesn’t sound half as good as the old one did. I actually think Audi did a good choice though with the S-versions going diesel. In Sweden, Audi sold 10 A6 competitions for every 1 S6 sold, basically meaning 10x more competitions that were diesels than the petroleum S6. Since people who wanted faster bought the Rs6, and the people who just wanted a slightly faster car bought a a6 competition.
and puts an off the shelf utilitarian macan motor in their new rs4
That drift at 13:40 good lord
He casually talks and drift, good lord. I can do the same on my console controller xD
And no LSD in the rear!
"WOW" INSANE
That's a big ass car too
Cannot believe 10 years have passed since the episodes release.... Time flies!
Chris has aged badly 😂
@@mrlionrocks Does anyone give a f**k? I don't think Chris does. He's a national treasure. Now f**k off you 'orrible c**t.
He makes drifting look so effortless.
I just want to point out that it didn't really start with the B5 RS4, it started with the Audi/Porsche RS2, which was an amazing car for its time.
Porsche with the brakes
@@banthedog4140 Porsche was commissioned to take the 230 Ps version of the inline 5x cylinder 20 valve engine to the nx level, this was achieved by using a larger Turbocharger,intercooler & injectors,along with unique camshaft, & more efficient intake & exhaust systems - resulting in 315 Ps, which out gunned every other 'performance machine' at the time.
I had a 1986 4k Quattro. For its day it was awesome. That's where I feel it started, with the 4 and the coupe
An amazing vehicle full stop.
It did start with the B5 as there wasn’t an earlier RS4 was there?
I've had a B7 RS4 for the last 6 years and I'm never selling mine, it's just the most complete vehicle I've ever owned.
Have you sold it yet?
🤣
@@jackrobinson3392 No, I still have it, lol.
@@FastJetPerformance fantastic!
legend
Chris Harris is the best car reviewer
He's the guy who inspired me to start writing reviews for myself
was
He is still the best 3 years after this, and he will be the best in 10 years
Full of crapm
Chris is a true artist. He can tell a tale of a car with all its demons and angels and at the end you truly understand what the car can offer in every way. You can actually appreciate the automobile for what it is. Preach on brother.
"the C63 ///AMG is dripping with magic!" that's what the man said ;)
💯 agree 7 years later im buying one
@@thomasglover3834 I bought one last year, a 2012 W204 C63 Performance Pack, absolutely loving it!!
I'm a BMW fan myself, but AMG has been kicking ///Ms ass so hard lately. Mercs are awesome!
RS6 all the way (as a family father). I can't afford it though :)
It was the rs2 that started it all !!!
That's a Porsche 😉
Yes, but the *rs4* started from b5
@@m1ch43l_k Drove a stage 3 B5 S4. Car can't take turns and you can see on my channel how good Quattro is 🤷🏻♂️
Must be my 18th time watching this, over the years 🤣😂. Listening to chris is an experience itself. But the V8 soundtrack isnt bad either.
That slide in the wet with the C63, damn, you don't see many reviewers doing stuff like that. The boy can drive! I personally think both of the new cars, but especially the C63, are a little ugly. The B7 RS4 is my favourite looking, and I especially like the B7 RS4 Saloon.
Boy can drive indeed.
Chris absolutely needs his own program. I could listen to this guy talk about cars all day.
My dad has owned both an RS4, and a C63, and I have to say that we both agree that the C63 is an absolutely mental car, and far more responsive- much more fun and has a better engine
b5 RS4 is soooo much cooler than the others... I really love it.
great review with a lot of details and sense. nothing artistic, no big jokes, no big metaphores, just going for the very essence of it
Best car reviewer I've seen. Excellent work!
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Best rs4 review i have ever came across! Much appreciated very well done Chris and his team excellent job
11 years on and the quality of these videos is still high. I'm eager to get into a B7, B8 or C63 wagon and still have a lot to mull over.
Same, I started looking into a 2nd car in the form of the C55, then I thought if I stretch my budget maybe a C63, then my brain went into ADHD mode and now I'm researching if I should get a C63, B8 RS4 or E63 5.5 twin turbo :')
For what it’s worth, this is the video which made me buy a B7 after about a year spent looking for a B8.
@beardedtit7692 I've dailyed a manual R32 Golf for the last 7 years or so and have outgrown it. But, trying to find a worthy replacement is hard. Something that sounds great but is understated and practical (and not other worldly to maintain). I'm not a 4cyl, auto or BMW guy, so it rules out the obvious contenders. A B7 wagon with wing backs has been a dream since they were new.
Do it lad.
Bought a C63S estate in blue :')
b7 rs4 alllllllllll day long best sedan Audi ever built 💪 will keep mine foreva!!!!!
A nice review and very true the comment about torque on the road, I'm just changing my remapped 335d with 516 lb/ft to the new M5 but the torque in the 335d is just so useable on the road, no noise no fuss just wave that picks you up and throws you down the road at insane speeds!
My brother has a 335d and it is superb. Driving them back to back makes the C63 even more impressive because it is as torquey but with revs and power. A truly special can I can’t believe I got for £21’ 😁
For me it's the B5 RS4. Squat muscular looks with all the torque you need to drive very fast without having to wring the neck of the car which on most roads is is not very practical or safe to do. That said the Merc C63 looks stunning as well but has the slight edge in terms of classyness. But living in the UK where it rains 'all' the time I think it would be difficult to find opportunities to use its tremendous power without spinning off in a tree. Audi RS4 B5. An iconic depreciation proof practical supercar.
I have owned RS4 B5 and RS4 B7. The B5 is an exciting car to drive, a huge slug of mid range torque and when fitted with a Milltek exhaust, it sounds awesome. Mine was remapped to 420 BHP, as a twin turbo it's a very tuneable engine. However, it is also blighted by understeer, torque steer (even with Quattro, it has that much torque) and a chassis that cannot handle the power. Sometimes I felt more like a passenger than a driver. The gearbox is also rather notchy (the designers had problems finding one that would fit and still handle the torque) and the clutch is heavy.
The B7 feels very different. The engine needs to be worked hard to get the most out of it but will pull rapidly all the way to 8,500 RPM. The gearbox is slick and the clutch light. The chassis is a delight, beautifully balanced, turns in well and inspires confidence. Very stable at high speed, it never loses its composure. Responsive steering with a lot of feel and feedback. This is a car that could handle a lot more power than it has.
So there you have it; the B5 is an uncouth brute that lives on the ragged edge; the B7 smooth, sophisticated and hugely capable. Take your pick!
I've owned many cars in the past, currently I have a beautifully specked B5 RS 4 and I'll tell you one thing: The pleasure that u get out of a B5, no car will ever give you the same or better!
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Living in northern norway where it SNOWS and in this particular area it gets rather icey all the time id still take the Merc :P
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Thank you Chris for this report. I have always love the RS4, and the B5 is such an amazing car. I want one! And the B7 is so classic. The B8 is sure an amazing car. But I dont think it has the heart of the B5 and B7. I would still pick it over the C63 though.
chris harris is a legend. by far the best in the business. incredibly objective and thorough review.
Apart from admiring how Chris drives all cars with so much professionalism, I also appreciate how he is knowledgeable about tuning these cars and is not so out of touch with reality like the Top Gear lot...
And now he's part of the Top Gear lot
What's this man? It's the ULTIMATE advert for a C63. That last drift, with the background sounds... brilliance.
"I don't necessarily like that" - does that mean "piece of shit" in British?
Boby Dome yes, because we (most of us) Britain a polite
His form with the Merc in the corners is fantastic.
He hits the nail on the head with his description of Mercedes, esp. AMG. They are truly the muscle cars of Germany. As an American this is why I love Mercs, cause they still have much better handling, turn in and road feel than an American car, but they have the loud, high-torque power that makes muscle cars so fun to drive.
Amazing
Hi vossen
Audi 2012: Too many electronics
Audi 2020: Hold my beer
Sadly, Mercedes never knew how to make a good looking estate car... Neither does BMW...
Even more sad that Mercedes probably makes the second best looking estate cars next to Audi IMO. Audi definitely has that market on lock down. The CLS estate is growing on me though.
I rented a 320d for a while in Germany and it was a decent looking thing. And seeing all the other 3x0 estates around I thought they all were easy on the eyes.
I think the latest Audi A6 Avant (in pewter with anthracite wheels) reigns supreme in the estate world for looks--it's an angry, menacing thing to see on the road, particularly around dusk with its thin LED lights front and rear. Kind of funny to me since I think the A6 sedan is hideous.
personally i quite like the look of the new 5 series estate and for mercedes i Love the CLS
Sadly the Audi never learned that FWD car is a shame in this segment like A4 always does or even huge A6 which is a crime for this price range! RWD or 4x4. End of story.
Mercedes W205 Cool story bro, from a fanboy...
Watching this clip for the 7th time over the years. Still love the RS4 B7 & B8.
I'm not inlove with Merc, Audi, BMW... but LOVE the C63 exhaust sound, Audi Quattro OLD SCHOOL and BMW grunt, wheel spins and attitude. Each car is unique and amazing in it's own right. Mercedes 300SL Gullwing / 190E 2.3 16 and 2.5 16 / AMG C 63 .. Audi Quattro 89 .. BMW E21 / E30 / E46 anything with a well deserved M. This coming from a ROTOR fan.
WORD!
Great report and relevant to the real world - hence why I have just picked up my 2011 C63 AMG. Having been a motoring journalist for ten years, the C63 is without question magic on wheels - or as Chris so rightly states - 'dripping with magic'. :-)
I have been an Audi guy for a long time, love the build quality and the feel of them. But now... im looking around for a used AMG. The AMG Merc is just bloody amazing :)
Watched this video 6 yrs ago and forgot how good Chris Harris and his team are.
I keep coming back to this vid, how good is Chris? Best in the business. Major contributor to my purchase of a B7 RS4
Bushwood that’s awesome to hear, I’m currently looking for a B7 RS4 sedan in the US. Hard to find a clean one
Jason Markowitz Didn’t get a notification of your reply just saw it by chance, how did it go? You get one?
@@Jbmarkowitz95Hope U got a b7 rs4 there fockin awaome ❤mine !!!!!
RS2 & RS4 2.7 V6 Biturbo are the abloutely most outstandig cars Audi ever produced in series (except Sport Quattro) !! Styling + Power + Emotion makes it untouchable for any other car at this time & up to today....!! So when yout get one tke care of it....
Anyone noticed how many times he flicked the wingscreen wiper stalk while testing the B8 RS4? Just put the wipers on automatic and enjoy the drive chris :)
+KirkTheGod Windscreen*
+KirkTheGod you need to clean the windscreen before cornering. not randomly.
Auto wipers are a complete pain in the ass. Too fast, too slow...or bat shit crazy mode for no real reason.
+KirkTheGod He is such a a talented driver that he gets bored in these modern self-driven cars. He needs to do something not to feel asleep ;)
I like controlling it myself like he does in the video. Makes me feel even more engaged with the car
the music in the background while the C63 is playing is absolutely amazing
Beautiful 2nd gear drift @ 13:40
Great video, I have a b7 rs4. It’s old and simple, but that’s the best thing about it. Get in, press the start button and drive off, it’s superb. And they’re getting sought after, a 2007 b7 with 50k is worth £23k. A 2013 b8 with similar miles is around the same price. Says it all really.
How is the reliability on these cars
Dear Chris,
Has the BBC managed to get hold of you reagrding the re-organising of their motoring show Top-Gear?
Looks like they have!
They have :) lel
This comment aged well..
Just call me nostradamus.......
I love the b7 rs4. I started my apprenticeship at a busy Audi dealership in Kent in the south east of England in 2007 when these were still new. Last year I bought one with a spun rod bearing and I'm finally getting round to repairing it. I've been filming the process and will upload the videos to my youtube channel once they're ready, so if anyone is interested in seeing a b7 rs4 engine tear down/rebuild, head over to my channel and subscribe so you'll see the videos when I upload them soon.
One word: AMG.
*Three letters.
Hard to agree
you gotta respect a man that manually triggers his wipers.
Btw nice Rolex...
Theres something special and timeless about that yellow RS4, beautiful design.
Definitely the c63
Yep :)
Great review. After owning a Stage III b5 s4 and b6 s4, I couldn't agree more about the feel of the cars.
The 2L difference is what I am seeing. How are they to be on the same plate? The MB better have more Torque and HP.
I do have a B8 RS4... but i have to say it - that Merc sounds INCREDIBLE....... love the growl of those 6.2 AMG V8's...
Great review on some great Audi's
All these years later, and the B7 is still the king. Both it and the C6 RS6 are by far the best Audis have ever looked.
didn't the rs2 start it al?
yes it did
great, honest review, also think B7 just did it and til this day now it is staple RS4
Maaan why did Chris harris go to Top gear ??? This was much better for me
Watching this in 2024 , this car is in the realm of affordability for me in my country and im looking forward to getting in one, An amazing review even years later.
C63 AMG BEST CAR EVER😍
Just bought a b5 a4 avant 1.8 t.... Tiotronic... Loveeee it.... 950 dollars.... Lol for a quattro. In red... Still shaking my head... Its so fast comfortable and fuel efficient. Thank the gods
Chris, im very fond of your car reviews, but why don't you mention or take the RS2 in to this lineup, since it was the first one?
Ah the W204 C63, I don't think we realised did we? It was and probably always will be the best small performance estate or saloon ever made.
RS4 B5 Winner !!!
The Audi RS4 has never been my first choice new, but secondhand with a few modifications: its hands down what I would go with for the money
C63 is a beast
Best car review ever! Better than Jeremy Clarkson's or Top Gear's in general. I love Audis in general, but this a real taste on the different generations of on one of the best everyday sports sedan cars you could buy.
Such a good vid, look forward the most to this edition of the Drive channel. Not sure if you guys have ever done a diesel car comparison episode, but I would really like that. As a diesel enthusiast in the USA, I wish there were more options for me.
Mercedes wins again :D The best car in the World, from day 1, 10000000 years ago
Not that simple. The C63 is a lovely car, but the B7 and B8 RS4s both have better gearboxes and can be hammered in conditions where the C63 would simply have no traction whatsoever. However, if I lived in a dry, warm, oil-rich country, I'd have the C63 every time.
;) Both have ups and downs
saine414 and the Merc has sideways! sliding around all over the place
johnny rex which is a very good thing!
I love my B7 RS4, Has a PES supercharger on it and with it, it is truly better than any of these cars. Can't argue with an even more optimized BNS engine. Will go down as one of the greatest cars of all time, and im assuming the price will reflect in the future.
It's good isn't it
What you're saying is that review three audi s and the winner is the C63 AMG... soo typical nowadays these people review cars.
Even tough I'm a fan of top gear, I'm not stupid. Reviews like this are in some way educating me about all the stuf these cars can do. Top gear used to be like that, it Didnt became famous for nothing. So im glad to see that Chris is doing great on these videos. Love them! Wish there was more
Although C63 Amg is a master piece and just phenomenal however the running costs are very expensive... This why I very much prefer the Audi RS4... Ok fair enough its not as powerful or brutal as the C63 but its very much practical and is considerably cheaper than the AMG and running costs are low as well... I mean for example in Top gear when jeremy was driving the C63 the tires had signs of wear and tear after using it for a couple of hours wheres as the RS4 and M3 were like as good as new.... Now some people might disagree and say well it all depends on the driver but lets be honest who is going to drive a fantastic piece of machine built for speed and grunt drive it like a track car especially with family and like I said and Chris said the running costs are high so in actual fact you will be losing out on the car rather than benefiting from it... yeah you might have a nice car for your own taste but running it and maintance its gunna eat your money very fast... No offence to anyone who has a C63 or is a fan of one but thats my honest opinion.... C63 is like a cheetah, yeah its fast, great to look at and fun to drive but for a short while (as running costs is a major issue), where as an RS4 is like a horse, its not as fast as cheetah but neither is it slow, its more practical and running costs are quite low in comparison to C63 and it will put a smile on your face in long term.... Abviously if you can maintain a C63 then without a shaddow of doubt C63 all day.. but i'm speaking from an average persons point of view...
Ur high,the audi is probably more to maintenance..
Yeah youre a fucking idiot . I own a C63 with over 100k miles and it has 0 issues and has been great . Audi? I worked there in service and man the cars have the check engine light EVERY oil change! Audi cost $2,000 a year to keep running
C63 all day everyday easy
Lol, it's your right foot in the c63 which determines how fast your tires wear out...not the car..
torque is for what i love diesels. you just drive, and its there.. no matter what, just drive and go
I don't know why everyone s so obsessed with autos, autos are boring, manual is what makes driving fun.
oh yeah... a lot of fun in traffic.
Can make traffic less boring I guess, but then you have full control over what the car does.
Idk man, DSG is faster and you still technically control what gear the car is in. I think people have it stuck in their head that manual is the way to go for speed, but unless youre on a track (which I would still want dsg) auto is far more convenient.
A track would be so much more fun with manual, dsg is boring also.
I can see why you would use it but it doesn't take skill.
Ever got beaten by tuned van and you will know. And that traffic. My heel and toe becomes numb and my whole hand hurts too much shifting.
Chris Harris - if you dont already have your own TV show, you shiuld have one. Thoroughly enjoy your reviews.
mercs are made for burnouts..End of the review!
"I'd like to go sideways on every roundabout on the way to Tesco but it's just not practicle!"
Even so Chris you're the only man I can see actually doing it.
i have an audi RS4 600HP
rick sprong no
is the transmission broken yet
despite this video being "old", it really speaks to me and ways no video should. oh, I wish wagons and especially hot wagons were the halo car for every brand. Classic Audi means "eats turbos", but I don't care; they are easy enough to replace. Chris, if you see this, you are awesome and keep playing with my emotions through unicorn cars.
rs4 anyday
The British may not be leading but they certainly know their cars well.. Land Rover, Aston Martin, Bentley, Lotus, TVR, Nobel and Rolls Royce are some good examples.
Mercedes the best
14:11 Nothing to see here but a perfect casual drift on a wet curvy road 😎😂👏🏻👏🏻😌👌🏻👌🏻
The Best Or Nothing
Wow the car control in the Mercedes in the rain on a mountain road was phenomenal
Has anybody noticed that the body design of these Audi's are almost the same just different head and tail light design? Pretty lazy engineering IMO
I have a 2007 RS4. I just went into an Audi dealership to look at cars and was shocked that my car was still every bit as fresh (or not fresh) as 2017s.
Chris Brown that’s the charm of these cars. They’re sleepers. You must not understand what these cars are meant for and who they appeal to
Chris Harris is the best driver, that I know of. Very informative review, thank you
Forward to 12mins 50secs onward for the best car.
Its a matter of taste. If you want silly toys, suspension settings to confuse a rocket scientist, and silly gadgets, join the other aggressive testosterone fueled muppets that sit on your rear bumper (assuming they keep up) get the S4.
If you prefer a proper driver's car that powers from the rear wheels and does everything without having to shout about it (apart from the sonet from the exhausts) then it has to be the C63. See the 507 edition for more kick!
Mercedes supporter. RS4 is less shouting about it and j quicker in the real world. 507 is just a tuned C63 anybody can do it.Also, AWD is also a driver's choose. Say to avoid FWD.
And 507 is just a tuned AMG.
grateful they still make crazy cars like this.
Get a Audi S4 and chip tune it, end of story.
S4 looks like an A4. I would rather tune an A4 Quattro with manual or a RS4 with the best looks of the three.
What about no.
***** Supercharged. not T
stubones They are called 3.0T even though they are supercharged... The T just means charged engine.
Slapbladder
:) I found that out shortly after. Hopefully a S4 Avant will be my next car. 320D Touring BMW is a nice car, but it sounds like a tractor.
gran turismo 5 has many audis. they are all fun cars to tune. good suspension, adjustable diff, good tires , good stuff to tune.
I went out for a drive a couple days after I got my license. My sister was in the car with me. I saw an RS4 B5 go by, the exact same yellow as the one in the video and I was like "Look, there. That's an RS4, it's got like 380 hp and AWD!" and my sister was like "No, I don't like it. The color is ugly".
Should've made her walk home.
Lol
Sold my RS6 V10 today and went back to an old B5. This car just feels so right.
Definitely ! What really matter in the end is the excitement you get out of the car. Thats what matters
One of the most accurate reviews I've known for a while. Of course Audi fans are disappointed, but if you're old enough to get over personal sympathy for a brand, you'll reckon Chris' is right. Fast Audis have lost some of their magic, while fast Mercs have gained it. Just remember the old C 43 AMG, very well made and pretty forgettable to drive...
RS4 Avant B7: wow, it so brutal and i love it.
Nice piece. Though I would have said the rs4 dna was more from the rs2 being that was the first powerful sport estate and one I would love to own. I think audi should maybe do a twin turbo straight six 3ltr version myself.
Now this is what I call a review!