AGGRESSIVE Cuts in 4140 STEEL | PUMA SMX3100ST Mill Turn Lathe
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 9 ก.พ. 2022
- Tyson puts the New FIX8 Tangential Inserts from Kennametal to the Test on the DN Solutions SMX3100ST Mill / Turn.
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Love Seeing Tyson Having Fun… Truth is, the cuts he took were 4 times faster than the parameters given with the tool / insert… So he definitely was testing the boundaries… and holding his breath😂… On that last cut, I told him that he should actually turn away from the machine and just have his hand on the STOP… as his ears would hear the insert go quicker than his eyes and he would be faster hitting that red button… of course he needed to see the CUT, but to our surprise… It just literally Zipped right through it. WOW! This tangential insert is truly… a Remarkable BEAST!
Great Job Tyson!!!
- Proud Dad
Show the chip!
Boom!
BOOM
Your son is a beast!
A man of confidence and knowledge!
Tyson has really upped is game!
Great video however I would be concerned with the b Axis alignment after so much heavy roughing….
Best practice to use the lower turret for the heavy stuff. IMO.
“I would not try that at home…”
> Me, wondering if my cordless hand drill can generate that kind of torque…
Yeah, you’re probably right. 🤣
Cordless? LUXURY!
bruh ive used a milwaukee that would just about snap your wrist if you werent careful. this would throw your whole body as if you werent even there
@@R.Daneel Hand crank tools rarely have cords.
As a kennametal employee this video makes me insanely proud to know that’s in our arsenal.
OMG that last cut was absolute Insanity! Must also give credit to the Doosan for having the power and stability to back that new insert at those rates without chatter issues.
I saw the specs and pricing on some Doosan machines, and for example their entry level VMCs that go at a smidge above the price of the full spec'd DMG M1 I worked on, is literally better in almost every way in terms of performance, and at least equal in terms of capacity with the exception of the square working envelope of the M1, and the head-head-head kinematics of the M1 that mean it has no way covers below the spindle, which makes running it and cleaning it very quick and easy, and you don't get any chip jamming issues with the way covers.
That's insane! What an incredible tool! And the claw jaws did a great job of hanging on. Would be very curious to see the spindle load and chips at each pass!!! Obviously spindle load will decrease at the lower diameter, even with the increased data.
theyre at the upper limits of the machine and tooling doing this, spindle load would have been 70% or more on the first few passes
@@dgafbrapman688 i kip
Having been a lathe guy for all of my machinist career that was both amazing and a little nerve racking! It's different pushing a lathe to the max. Well done Tyson.
Would you guys ever consider doing a couple videos showing how tool wear varies across a bunch of parts at different cutting parameters?
I know it’s not as cool as pushing to the max, but from an education perspective it would be good. Shows folks more of the “long game”, which is where the money’s made.
I second this, a LOT of shops don’t put aside time to test their cutters and fine tune the SFM and chip load depending on X number of variables. I would love to see anything that involves examining tool wear at different combinations of conditions, one of my last shops were anal about it and it was awesome.
@@mrblue747 Would be cool info to see for things like lights out machining or automation. Better to go a bit slower and have a rock solid process, but how slow is the real question. It’s one thing to cut a part 30% faster, but it’s no good if you’re changing inserts/tools twice as often.
@@PraetexDesign yes there’s definitely a balance there.
I third this. I'd love to see a detailed enough video about tool life on different kinds of tools with different feeds, speeds, DOC, LOC, etc. in a given material. That'd be VERY informative!
It's an extremely important part of our job though.
BOOM!!! Tyson you rock!! By doing these tests you give us the confidence to push a little bit more.
Damn that's some insane cuts, definitely fascinating. I currently run a Puma SMX3100LS. Wish you guys would show what the Load Meter looks like when doing stuff like this. Big ups to all the Titan team for providing great knowledge on this channel. Shout outs from Houston, TX ✌
Pq não tem tradução em português?
Where you at in Houston? My shop is on the northwest side
I'm currently working in Conroe
Kennametal has had this type of insert for ages, worked with those some 30 years ago on a manual lathe.. it is just incredible what you can do with these inserts, and they only got better through the years..
And you get 8 cutting edges per insert.. how' s that for return on investment...
Oh my goodness!! That tool is totally insane!!!! I had to rematch that last cut like 6 times and I can honestly say that my mind is now blown!!
Thank you titan and your team for being so professional and on top of your game
Cool! I work in a German company for CNC machining. I tested this tool today on a 1000kg workpiece. Diameter 630mm from C45.
Cutting data:
Infeed: 10mm in radius
Feed : 0.9mm/rev
Cutting speed : 160m/min.
This tool is a monster!!
I love your channel! I think it would be very cool if you would visit our company in Germany. With over 200 employees, we process workpieces ranging in size from a few grams to several tons. Keep it up and stay the way you are. greetings from Germany
Tyson and team just made another amazing video that pushed the boundaries but was also very interesting and informative!
That’s incredible how fast it chewed through that, and that last cut really surprised me how fast it zipped across there, that was really impressive!
Right. Each cut, the part diameter is smaller, and with the same or faster SFM the RPM increases each time, and then he increased the cut per turn also. So it is running 2550 RPM, .024 per turn, 61 inches per minute tool movement, and only 1 second per inch of travel! At 1000 SFM = 12,000 inches/minute, .024x.400=.0096 cross section area, that is 115 cubic inches per minute of steel. To support such cuts you need to be cutting a large block of material, a smaller rod would collapse with that much force applied.
Its been years since I have worked in this industry. But I still love to see metal getting turned into chips. I'm excited that channels like this add a new element of competition to manufacturers, and machinists. It's going to be amazing to see the things that can be made in the next decade with tools like this. Great video!
So much brilliat engineering in modern tools, absolutely amazing!
That was crazy Tyson. The fact that you can make that cut with a 12” chuck is pretty amazing!
This thing is FRICKING AWESOME!!
That last feed almost made me blow my mind!! HECK YEAH!!!
That spindle must have a crazy brake on it.
Tyson: That was an insane cut!
Titan: MORE POWWWEEEEEEEERRRRRRRRRRRRRR!!!!
That was crazy, 😧😎it would have been interesting to see the chips from each pass. Thanks for the video. Incidentally something that has always bothered me is the heat being produced and the heat in the metal, especially at high speed while using coolant or is there very little change.
Not too much as there is so much coolant and the insert cuts very free.
Which metal are you asking about? The material being cut or the actual machine? The material heat build up is pretty minimal even with the machine and coolant getting up to 150°f. The chips are coming off so fast that the part doesn't really have time to heat up the mass of the slug he is machining. Also when you use HP coolant you create a cooling effect. In the piping and tool it might be 100°, but when its spraying like that it drops to like 50°, hits the part and hot chips, then gets heated up to 150° and then will dissipate heat in the coolant tank, chiller or machine itself. Combine that and the tool geometry to remove chips that fast and you got a rockin set up. These are just arbitrary numbers, but hopefully that makes sense.
Also, the chip would look kinda stepped/jagged on one side and smooth on the other and from the sound of the chips in this video I bet they're a nice dark gold
@@curtislow9204 Thank you for taking the time to explain, it does make sense. Appreciate it.
Now the next challenge is to see if you can do pinch turning with those parameters 🤣🤣
Awesome video guys keep it up 👍👍👍
This is awesome and really like the new push on tools and materials. I would like to see more on the traditional materials being pushed to the max like cast iron or forged materials even cast like materials, maybe even plastics machined
Man that last cut was like launching a rocket into steel, it makes me want a new lathe.
That’s insane! It’s an amazing video, really well explained!!
Nice job Tyson! Thank you for the awesome content!
When i first saw this tool my first thought was that the titans of cnc were gonna love it. And they do =D
Great job Tyson! Also Dad of course. Love it. Makes me proud of what I learned off my Dad before I lost him a few weeks back. #LoveOurDads.
Wow!! That was a beautiful thing right there ... Absolutely amazing. Pushing the limits.. I wish I could work for y'all.
I concur that was crazy, definitely enjoy watching all of titans of cnc videos
Those chips sound brutal. What a system.
That was fun to watch. Super cool video, Tyson.
It's fun pushing the limits and seeing what the tool and machine are capable of. Really wish that you could've had a PIP of load meter so that we could see how much spindle and Z load it was taking.
Insane! That is an understatement.. last cut was so fast, its incredible
Good to see ya buddy. That cut was NUTS....BBOOOOOMM!!!
5:38 that spin was the machine psyching itself up "i can do this i can do this i can do this arggggggghhhhhh"
Love the fire in Tysons eyes! He's on point
Grrrrr
That was insane. Thanks for the tips !!
Kennametal:: The spaceX of CNC cutter tools. WTG Titan Bros! 😎
That FIX8 design is amazing!
Why didn't you just use G0 and 25% rapid feed? 😂
I would've liked to seen the spindle load meter. I've done cuts like that on cast iron, but it was 100HP main spindle with a 24" chuck. Most jobbing shops the lathes are 20-30HP max.unless you have a job to run a big production part or like the shop I was in we got a good deal on a used machine.
You Titan guys are spoiled.
If the insert is made to handle that depth of cut and your machine has enough HP do it
The feed .024" okay, but 1000SFM in 4140 Damn!!!
That's a little scary 😁
Dude that was insane that last one... i cant beleive it didnt totaly break , bravo that was crazy
When you hear Tyson talk and his hand jesters.....I swear that I am geting a Daddy Titan Vibe.
Awesome ! Thats Some Quality Content you Put Out On That Puma Tyson !👌👌👍
Of course Dad said GO FASTER LOL Awesome crew!!
great job tyson!
glad to see other options than cnmg thanks!
🤯 that was amazing get after it guys you are ahead of the game that’s for sure. 🇦🇺👨🏭
My local Kennametal rep has been bugging me to try these out. I look forward to seeing how it stacks up against the Iscar COMG646 inserts we use right now. Running it on the 100 degree edge we can take a max DoC of .415 at a feed of .024 maxing out the spindle load at around 90%. If we drop the DoC to around .300 we can push the feed up to .034.
As a Kennametal rep myself I recommend you give it a try! But seriously this is an amazing tool
@Tyler Wolfer Just got this tool today. I can't wait to try it out.
wow, i am not a lathe guy, but this tool rocks!!
Dude thats nice,insane amount of material.
Hats off to you! That's crazy!! Thanks for the video
Omg ...i geusing your tormenting the machine to the maxium bhp with that last pass , out if this world !
Btw i love your dad haha lol .
Grtz from the netherlands Johny geerts
That was an insane cut!
I have done few cuts in school, I'm not machinist but this sound was unbelievable, speed, revolution, depth, just..........
Great video showing how to find limits. Also i think if you have the same machine at home....why not try at home but approach it gradually as you did.
Great job!
Dudes confidence level is night and day different from what it was years ago. Good for him!
It’s crazy to see some of the things these tools are capable of
Whoa Tyson getting excited.
It also was cool how Travis just disappears in the background 😁
Awesome video, did you have to up the clamping pressure for those cuts or did it remain the same.
Awesome job Tyson. 💪
Amazing. 25 years of machining and ive never seen anything so aggressive
Being 4140, that is f-ing wild mate, unbelievable, and your surface cutting speed aswell sheeeeesh, you guys really push it hahaha
That is completely insane! Have you tried having compressed air blowing on the gopro to film with coolant on? That would ruin the sound though
I love that tool geometry. 8 cutting edges from a square insert. Nuts.
That was awesome. Really wanted to see u go for . 500 on doc. One inch removal in one pass would truly be insane. Great job guys I love testing tools and limits. I been in the trade 25 years and how far the cutting tool tech has advanced blows my mind. Hard to keep up. Thanks for the great videos. Grip and rip!!!!
Ok, idea time. Great video and awesome job here. BTW, you guys are absolutely nuts! I would definitely be worried about damage to your equipment.
Here's my thoughts:
1000 psi coolant pressure makes absolute sense here. Consider what a water jet cutting machine does and apply the cutting tech/principles to this situation. Bump up another coolant stream to steel cutting pressures, aim the stream above the cutting tool and at an angle if necessary and look at your loading numbers. If you can reduce loading and tool wear significantly then you will be in the money.
As it is all by itself this incert is a game changer. If you bump up the coolant pressure to 2-3k and are able to cool the coolant down to negative temperatures Fahrenheit you might get even more performance out of this incert.
Lots of different approaches to this and plenty more upside to production speed are possible.
Great job guys!
Damn, bud. That was awesome. Thank you.
Lets get a hand here for the real hero of this video. That lathe chuck is a monster to put up with that kind of cutting.
Good sound, great job
Thats insane. This can speed up production!
Nice chip breaker on tip, it's the type of tool you can trust just like the look on your face Tyson NO PROBLEMO, Titan keep on Booming ON
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Nice Video...Kennametal has a short video introducing the Carbide Insert...people were complaining it had no video of any cutting.
Now, they'll be complaining you can't see due to the coolant spraying all over.
Beyond impressed blown away wow. Question the coolant Blaser Synergy what concentration in machine and also what concentration in the recharge. We used 7 percent and 1 1/2 percent in the recharge in our Blaser.
I loved the video! It would be really nice if you could list the hardness of your material in the little window that pops up on the screen when you start machining.
Remember the old Pilots saying Tyson. "There are old pilots and there are bold pilots but there are no old bold pilots"
I have a free pro tip when filming with such amount of coolant. Just use well adjusted air nozzle. You get your coolant just at the tip of the insert and the airflow deflects coolant away from the camera😎😎. You don't need to thank me. You do good job man. Keep doing it.
Man, that's a lot of faith in a piece of plastic and a bit of sheet metal. Like everyone else, seeing the axis load would give a better picture, but you just can't watch that many things happening all at once. 😲
And I also have never seen cuts of that magnitude ever in all my days of watching instruct and promo reels. It is "MAD DEEP, FAST"
Very impressive!!
That was awesome, Tys
Impressive how that top spindle holds its position under that load ,does it hold its position via mechanical lock or electrical hold not loosing steps ?
Whoa!! Straight beast!!
Insane yet awesome 🤘🔥
That was awesome 😎
You are a wild and crazy guy living on the edge like that .
LNMX is a good Insert for removing bulk like that too. And even though it was a small part it’s still surprising you could do that without a tail stock.
Awesome tool
Awesome tool I do .1 doc and f.015 facing 316 forgings and .125 doc and f.013 when turning
That insert is huge! Just pulled up the specs on the SMX3100 124Nm holding torque on that milling head. For the home machinists out there with 480 oz.in nema 34 motors, that's 17560 Oz.in of holding torque! Explains why that tool don't spin in the spindle.
In the production shops I know of they'd be roughing at 1000 SFM all day long with that setup. Time is money!
I'm a mech engineer who's only metal turned once still kenametal adds are the only ones I let play through since they show these beasts of inserts
Beast tool for a beast machine 💪
Absolutely insane!
Chris Maj was playing with this insert the other day as well and pushing it pretty hard.
I am currently doing an apprenticeship as a toolbuilder but I want to become a cnc operator and move to the us.
Here in germany the government limits the time I can spend working to "protect" me.
Fuck that.
Work is life!
I LOVE these videos!!!
Used a version of a tangential tool years ago. Took 3/8 inch depth of cut on a old LaBlonde tape turn lathe. The lathe was a beast with super heavy box ways.
I don't know what tool we used 20 years back but our old lathe (it's just old, we still have it) got it's gearbox destroyed and the support flew off during similar cuts to this.
i think 10mm radial and 0.2mm feed
now this machine is not that precise anymore but if you know how to produce good parts on there you definitely can turn😂
What is the spindle load? Those are some big cuts. I'd be interested in knowing what the spindle load was. You could hear the machine bogging down on that last cut.
I think what you hear is not the machine bogging down but the part's harmonics greatly changing as the pass is being made , like sliding a guitar string toward the neck
WOW outstanding
Abom 79 sure is proud of this tool :D
Hey hey you! It is only when the insert break off or become overwhelmed by the chip load and the chips starts self welding to it then I back off from being aggressive. That tool, that machine, that insert can still go bigger than it is maybe the full insert width will limit it. The last 2500 rpm sound great and yes, could give you a sweet spot for the chip load. Just cool though.