I am disappointed at the amount of comments from people attacking his appearance etc. Please rise above being like that. Debates like this are just fun for the sake of them. Enjoy it for what it is and don't be hateful.
"Rip open King Tut's sarcophagus because beds are meant to be laid in" SIR that is a COFFIN and there's ALREADY A CORPSE OCCUPYING IT that is such a ridiculous attempt at an argument lmao
Actually according to some Egyptologists, it wasn’t uncommon for nobles and pharaohs to do exactly that: Rob tombs and even sarcophagi to reuse for their own burial.
Lmao I came here to state this. As soon as I heard his argument I did the ole stroking the chin inquisitively move 🤔 (edited misspelling of lmao from pmao)
To me, the fact he took the time to alter clips and then refuted the altered clips shows actual malice and is the most disgusting part of it. At that point, it's not grasping at straws, it's manipulation.
Yes, when you're commenting on manipulated clips to "prove" your point it's because you didn't have a point in the first place. He knew exactly what he was doing. That's not accidental.
@@Melsharpe95 I am playing the devil's advocate here, but consider he has the viewpoint of believing the inflated value to be actual: Would he not edit it down to the words that he think are most relevant to his argument, seeing integral parts as irrelevant? This would make sense considering how consistently he seems to miss Karl's points, he could simply have poor judgment/reasoning. Again, that is devil's advocacy, but being manipulative doesn't make him smart either and he may genuinely believe in some of his points even if he is intentionally lying and/or defaming Karl.
@@magikarpusedsplash8881 When you edit a person's comment in such a way as to say the exact opposite of what they said- that's not accidental. It even goes beyond cherry picking. It's misrepresentation. You're probably right in that he's not a critical thinker in the proper sense. After all it looks like his videos usually get around 500 views so I think he was just making a hot-take reaction video. Unfortunately he couldn't find evidence to support his position so decided to "create" some that did. It's also unfortunate because the guy just seems like some random channel just posting about what they like and has now drawn all this negative attention.
The question ist always, are they incompetent or malicious? When someone cuts content this accurately and thereby misrepresents the actual statement, incompetence becomes highly unlikely and malicious intent is all that remains.
A smart prosecutor would use this in court to win their case against a scammer. A smart judge wouldn't need a second look at the case to use this to declare a guilty verdict. Bet you a nickel nobody's smart. Although... considering the beautiful comedy in the Alex Jones trials, I'd LOVE to lose that bet. PleasepleasePLEASE.
Collectors are happy when prices drop because they can add to their collections. Speculators are happy when prices climb because they can leverage their investments. They are not the same people. They are two very different people sharing a market, one out of love, one out of greed.
I collect vinyl and the same applies.. You see greedy stores pushing up prices of vinyl that just isn't worth what they're asking. It'll sit there for years with no one buying it however I'd buy it immediately if it was reasonably priced
@@theMansalad I’m literally a video game reseller and I tell all of my customers frequently that these games values are ridiculous. I do what I can do give deals where it makes sense. I’ve been a collector for 20+ years at this point (just turned 35) and what always made collecting fun was the awesome amount of games you could get for affordable prices, especially compared to buying them new upon release. If games plummeted in value, the likelihood of my business continuing with games as the focus (profit wise) would definitely shift. I’d start pushing stuff with greater margins. But man would I be happy for myself & gamers alike. I could get cheap games for myself again without having to buy big ass lots, pick out what I want, and then take months to flip the rest.
"Jobst is just doing this for profit" ...later... "There's nothing wrong with me and others doing these things for profit." Way to argue against himself.
Expecting logic from a pissed off Speculator is like expecting logic from a Casino whale, his is likely just pissed off at Karl for his loss in profits trying to make money out of the bubble, which is really all on him.
When you showed the actual context of Pat's quote that was the confirmation that I needed that this guy is intentionally lying. You nailed him to a board. Keep up the great content.
@@reicherruschach3727Even if that is true it doesn’t at all change the original commenters point or diminish it. Pats quote was taken out of context, regardless of whether or not you agree with his full quote, or trust pat as a person, it doesn’t change the fact that Mad Dog intentionally cut the quote to make it seem like pat was saying something else, which is scummy and shows that he doesn’t actually have a legitimate argument to make to discredit him.
@@TriAzFThat is true indeed. You don't need to manipulate things to make Contri look dishonest; he already does enough disingenuous things on his own.
I can't really tell if he's intentionally lying or if he's just ignorant and doesn't know what he's talking about. Cause the lies he tells are embarrassing considering how easily they can be debunked. Like, he completely missed the point behind why marketing your own product without disclosing your relationship to the company (if you have one) is unethical and illegal when there are FTC laws that clearly state why. Plus, he seems to misinterpret a lot of things that Karl says and doesn't even understand what the video is about. He thinks Karl is attacking the entire graded video game industry, community and collectors when his video mainly focuses on two companies and their unethical and manipulative business practices. I really don't know how he managed to overlook this. Perhaps he's just not very intelligent.
@@nissan_skylineI’m pretty sure he’s lying because those things you pointed out. I’m 26mins through Karl’s video and I haven’t heard that man discuss or refute one actual point that Karl made. He’s barely discussing the same topic, instead he goes on attacking his straw man and making implications about Karl. I don’t want to believe that a man that can speak so well and seems to be at least moderately successful, could watch Karl’s video and so clearly miss the point. Maybe I can chalk it up to him being so close to the situation and emotionally invested that he subconsciously blocked out the point of the video because it would make him feel like his was played for a fool if he was/is a regular patron of Wata and Heritage. But even then, I would expect him to defend those companies directly if that were the case and he hasn’t referenced them or their owners yet. Edit: finished the video; he did start referencing Wata and some of Karl’s actual points but he straight up lied about all of them. Yeah, this dude was lying the whole time.
When he says "real" collectors, he means speculative investors. The actual real collectors saw one of the best selling, common games of all time sell for millions and thought, "That doesn't seem right". But Karl went and dove into this head first, did a bunch of frankly excellent research, and published it. Then immediately, people were trying to discredit and cancel him. This was an important piece of reporting, and the backlash only reinforces that. Nobody likes to be left holding the bag, but that is a risk you should be prepared for when speculating on any type of volatile market.
Yes, and anyone barracking for collectable price increases are speculators by definition. Real collectors surely want the prices to be stable so they can afford to continue collecting.
@@msmyrk also regular Investors would have probably been indifferent to the stocks deflating and normalising so yeah this guy is likely a Speculator and is likely lossing Profits perhaps even a lot of profits.
I agree. I was already casually collecting video games from a very young age. The only reason I would care about the market is so I don't get ripped off with outrageous prices. I don't care about rising and falling prices so I can sell them later, I care about that so I am able know if I am getting a good deal. I think that buying super common games for more than 3 times their original retail price is ridiculous. I buy games that came with a case with it because I wasn't the game to be protected so I can play it. I am a collector that wouldn't be opposed to selling games i no longer want. That is collecting. Buying games only for the sake of profit is not collecting. It's investment.
he acts so "holier than thou" its strange he thought his video would appeal to anyone he needs to learn to drop his ego, but I don't think he's capable of doing that.
What's going to be next, the vintage laptop and computer scene? If enough people bought enough of the stuff that's goes on the market, they'd control old PC part prices..
“This guy insults my very being to the core, but please don’t attack or harass him. I don’t want to be the cause to spark up hate.” Words from an Absolute Legend
Agreed good on Karl for maintaining the high road. the internet is the internet tho, there have been and will always be the "for the lulz" crowd. (i am aware that reference dates myself but point still stands)
My favourite piece of irony that locked my attention was how that guy kept slamming you for using click-baiting practices while simultaneously editing his video like a 16 yr old's TH-cam debut 'prank gone sexual' video
When he said something along the lines of “look past the dramatic music” about Karl’s video, meanwhile he seemingly downloaded the attack ad sound effect starter pack.
Yeah. In the beginning Karl said his video is going to make that guy's video look bad, but for me that was not the case. They guy himself made his video look bad. It's honestly so terrible I had to take breaks during watching.
And that lighting. Was he trying to be cute thinking that scary red would subconsciously make you mad? His video did made me mad, subconsciously and consciously, but the red did nothing. The way he talked on the other hand made me feel like he was insulting my intelligence. Then he finished making his point proving that he was indeed insulting my intelligence.
The thing that pisses me off the most about the guy is the fact he called a sarcophagus a bed, tbh. Like wasn't he taught in history class that they are coffins??
That comment even got me. For 5 seconds I'm like "Ah yes I guess It could make a neat bed I guess." Followed by. "Wait! Is baldy basics for real? That's a bed you never leave, that's a coffin."
Hey. Great to see a comment from one of the main affected by the "collector". I hope he deletes his videos and make a public apology about misrepresenting you, Karl, and many other people who got involved there.
I'm afraid you won't be able to view such dishonesty in its entirety again-- Mad Dog Collection's has either deleted or privated all his TH-cam videos.
It's insane to me how much dishonesty he can display. He literally just crops out the start of the phrase and turns what you are saying on the opposite, and show something from the SAME stream that contradicts it to make you sound crazy or something? Holy sh*t, that's insane.
I love how he attacks your "dramatic music and narrative tone" while having the most aggressively manipulative and dramatic editing I've seen outside of a narrative critical social media post within a live action teens movie.
Hey Joe! Stop looking for a balanced story/view ... as he told. We have to fit his stereotypes! Hehehehhee This guy is really something special. Not only the strawmen, but also these useless red herrings like mentioned by you, Joe. This narrow and strange concentration about the form/presentation (the music/tone) and not the content (the actual points, Karl made) can only arise from the mind of a child. If a stutterer reports that your car is burning ... you get out ... fast! This guy instead wants to discuss stuttering. And the icing of the cake is that he is first insulting Carl and immediately after that his viewers, us. What a clown. **facepalm** (I really don't want to know how this guy did come to wealth ...)
@@bleedorange1998 there are apps that let you see it still. it's available from the youtube API in my understanding and the app can surface it and integrate it in the frontend
I'm not going to trust anyone who says "we used to champion our heroes" while showing a picture of Hulk Hogan as an example. Hulk Hogan is the reason Hulk Hogan is no longer "championed"
his champion is hulk hogan? hm, the amount of lying in his video seems to make a lot more sense now 😌 i wonder if he was almost the bassist for Metallica too
The thing that really gets me is that this guy is basically stating that video game collecting is a worthless hobby unless you can sell your collection for millions of dollars. Video game collecting isn’t about who has the more expensive game, collecting in general is about collecting something your passionate about
@@d.n4203 He's an opportunist. He's only interested in investing in games because of the speculative value they will have in the future. Collecting for 10 years in something that has exploded in the last 10 years is his tell. We, as in the gaming community, would never know who this guy was, had Cabbage Patch Kids exploded in popularity, the way retro gaming did.
The way he flip-flops between "Karl Jobst is going to completely ruin us" and "Karl Jobst is a nobody not even worth considering" in the same breath is infuriating at times. He can't even pick one lie and stick with it...
9:28 I like how he asks "But who is Karl Jobs". But then I wondered who this bald guy is and what makes him the ultimate authority on sealed video game market? I mean, I've been collecting over 20 Years now and I've never heard of him before this day. Asking around the hobby, nobody has. Odd isn't it?
Best faith interpretation that I can do, you could see this as "he has a large audience that could interfere in the space" and "he's a nobody in the hobby/business, so we shouldn't listen to him" Still, both are shit arguments that don't matter and he shouldn't have used them.
Watching that dude genuinely made me angry. The way he edited, talked and carried himself was just downright annoying. Good on you for keeping things cordial, can’t say I coulda done the same. Also appears he deleted his video. All I could find was the 3 way conversation done a bit afterward. Not surprised he backtracked.
"You know who's a great soft target for me to lie about in my video? Karl Jobst. The guy who literally debunks and archives hoaxes, cheats, and lies." 🙄
@@gurmyigoll3535the most infuriating thing is that they always move on to the next delusion or act like it never happened and if it did happen then surely not like that.
My lord that guy is insufferable, his condescending, mocking "holier than thou" attitude is brutal. At no point did he discredit a single segment of your video.
it's funny that he showed Bill Maher in the video when describing a strawman argument. Bill Maher who is now loved by Fox News and is praising himself as the ultimate truth teller, meanwhile he is an just an out of touch stereotypical center right boomer douche who loves beating up on strawmen.
The only reason that I watched that guy speaking is because of Karl, otherwise I would completely click out of that asshole video, his way of speaking is just disgusting to watch, his sense of moral superiority makes me want to vomit.
I know I'm late to the party, but one of my favorite things about you is how unbiased you are and how much time and effort you put into Investigations, even if it means they come at you legally. Keep up the amazing work you absolute legend
Instead of engaging with the argument, they: a) misrepresent your point b) make any attack on them an attack on the industry as a whole c) do the "I don't know this person" bit to delegitimize your point without addressing it d) do the "he's making money so he must be lying" bit Politicians do this kind of shit all the time.
Great Wealth is the only thing that matters to these people. That clown is likely already a millionaire, but won't be happy until he has more, more, more. He'll end up building a mansion from doing the very little labor of speculating. OR. He'll go broke from speculating. Something tells me he's probably into NFTs and crypto as well. Where only the people who get in early make any money from it, and they do it at the expense of any like-minded sucker that happens to come along later.
my problems with it are how most of the points he makes don't even relate to the topic at hand. I mean, what does the guy think he's proving by attacking fox 9? and he also attacks the viewer, why would I take him seriously when i'm getting attacked for seeing evidence and changing my opinion based on it? just such an obvious attempt to protect an investment and (i suspect) gain a following from generating more controversy.
No wonder he's attacking you with all of these obvious lies. He's trying to reach out to his target audience (the gullible idiots) so he can sell off his own scammed investment!
Exactly, he's not stupid. We get it, his audience won't, and they'll eat up all the dramatic music, the strawman arguments, the blatant misdirection, the simple digestible narrative - he's pandering to the lowest common denominator.
It's all classic huckster prevarication, he has no interest in the truth or in making a good argument. Like the spineless mollusc he is, he expels a cloud of ink and flees back to his lair.
Scammers over the phone do this, too. If you're smart enough to see through their obvious lies? Dropped like a rock. They'll never call you again with the intent to scam, only to harass and annoy if you were an especially egregious example. I called my scammer a "benchode bosedeke" and he immediately hung up. I received calls for like two weeks. Presumably his boss told him to knock it off and call people they can actually scam, I dunno why he stopped. It filters out people who are going to waste the scammer's time. That way, they're only interacting with stupid people, and you know what they say about parting a fool from his money...
Karl has true, citable facts and examples on his side. It's much easier to remain calm when you know you're right. I'd expect Karl to be excited to make these kinds of videos as it's a thrill to call people out with factual evidence.
For one we can’t see his attempts at each clip. Think about how he is human. No human is perfect. I don’t know when that video he is criticizing came out, but it was not just a week ago, he had time to get angry about it then think it through. He had the time to organize himself and do the research and show how the video is wrong. I would guess that we don’t see the whole original video so he could have some parts that he did not find enough to discredit it, but he did his homework.
I don't know, you guys... Karl might've backed up his arguments with stats and clips of people saying and doing exactly what he's talking about, putting forth irrefutable proof, however, the other guy had compelling stock footage to back up his metaphorical buzzword salad and skillfully avoided Karl's points with strawman-arguments left and right. I'll still go with Karl on this one though because he's slightly more handsome, in my opinion.
I do agree that he uses a lot of clickbaity bullshit in his titles though, this one included. I know that's part of the youtube game, but it is still gross.
Karl dismantled their racket . Wata games makes untold amounts of money for making bogus non sense ratings.Its silly. This guys attitude towards Karl is just as bad and is indicative of what they are all trying to do. They thought they were clever but the house of cards they built just got exposed for millions of people to see
He knows he's talking BS, but he doesn't care as long as the video gets exposure. If he manages to convince even one dope to pay him a million dollars for a sealed game, then it's a huge W.
This is pure speculation and not based on anything other than an idea I pulled out of my ass... but I would not be surprised if it's later revealed that his video was made only because he was secretly hired by WATA Games to make an "independently created" video supprting them. I can't think of very many people who would simp for a company as much as this guy did, and out of the goodness of their own hearts.
@@nickfifteen I am not by any means saying that you are wrong (as I am just speculating too), but I do want to say that he has a literal wall of WATA sealed games behind him... that is very good reason to make a video like this. That being said, I truly think that it is a combination of yours too. I think he was hired, or atleast heavily influenced, by WATA and the fact that he also had prior motivation drove him to commit.
Okay so watching people lie like this is so painful and I’m really glad that you replied so beautifully. Honestly, I enjoy people reasonably responding to deceitful videos, it just feels good to know that lies like this don’t just stand without question.
I can't quite wrap my head around the audacity of calling Karl, who is arguably one of the best investigative gaming journalists out there, *a fraud and a liar.*
If you cannot understand that then understand this, people who stand to gain the most tend to be the loudest against their opponents whom the latter has proof
@@Lightna i think that person was using flowery (sp) to illustrate a point, good on you for helping them out if not. Some folk might be so distant from the thought process they actually needed help.
My dad gave me some valuble advice: "There are two types of people, people who pronounce it Mario, & people who pronounce it as Mayrio. Never trust anyone who pronounces it Mayrio"
That dude has the most infuriating, manipulative, and childish editing I have ever seen. Even without context, I'd hate him on that sole characteristic
Karl is such a saint. He dismantled this man’s entire video without insulting or degrading the man and was calm and composed the entire time. Amazing work, Karl.
I don’t know what’s worse: the fact that the entire video boils down to him saying “waaah you foiled my plans, now I’m gonna whine about it”; or the fact that it’s so littered with memes and cartoony edits that it’s literally impossible to take anything he says seriously.
"The trick is to turn something no one would care about into something exciting." As someone who isn't particularly interested in speedruns, I can say you have mastered this art. Not many people can do that.
@@SmogginMog I got into Goose earlier who has a very nice storytelling style, with a good narration voice. Jobst appeared in many of those videos and I heard of him on there
My favorite part was when he attacked Pat's credibility and even cited him as Karl's "source" in quotation marks in his clip of Pat's where he takes what he said about Super Mario Bros 3 out of context, but then literally right afterwards he uses Pat as a credible source when he stated his positive opinion on WATA games compared to VGA. Apparently Pat's credibility as a source is only legitimate to him when he states something that he agrees with.
To be fair, I believe he was trying to say that Karl was cherry picking Pat's statements which make Wata look bad and ignoring those which may make them look good. This really has nothing to do with whether Pat is a credible authority/source on the matter. Of course this claim is blatantly false and he hypocritically uses the exact same tactic he is accusing Karl of (worse actually since he is splicing clips to try and fabricate context).
I grade his smugness 95, top notch stuff! Unbearable to watch. Karl probably hit the nail on the head with his remark, I can't picture adults watching this guy.
for real, like only watching a snippet of it already making me feel irritated as fuck. I can't imagine how angry I gonna feel if I have to watch the full video.
@@crazy_man7578 If you've seen 5 minutes, you've seen it all. Bad arguments all around. I couldn't even be bothered to check how many subscribers the guy has, that's how uninteresting this all is
The guy's an idiot, but I don't know why there's criticism about his pronunciation of Mario; I didn't even notice that and it's just his accent saying Mario. He sounds like an American saying Mario to me. If I were to do a stereotypical American accent, I'd pronounce it Merio as well, because that's what Americans sound like. I guess some Americans might say Mahrio too. I don't know; it's just his accent.
How could he take that clip of Pat, cut out the first sentence, and then try and convince us this is not absolutely deceitful on his part? That alone shows he 100% knows he is totally in on the long-con.
Honestly, the fact he tries to discredit Pat as a genuine collector because Pat allegedly said that wrapped games should be unwrapped because they are meant to be played says enough about what kind of a person he is. You can't just have a fun hobby. It's all business in his head.
The irony is he is basically doing everything he is blaming Karl... specially the whole "Creating click bait videos" and he literally does the lowest common denominator video - ie. response debunk video to ride the coat tails of a much more popular video xD
For me a collector is easy to identify. They go "Check out this! How cool is this?!" then ramble for the next hour about the history of the item. What they don't do is brag about the future value of a collectible and how much they bought it for because at that point it's not the item they care about but just the value it has or could potentially have which is no different from just throwing actual money on a table and talking about how they are investing it.
Kinda like NFTs. They lure you in with neat randomized images that you can "own" via some weird new techno-voodoo. That's nice. I like that part. But then they won't shut up about the resale value and the explosive market potential and why it's a bargain to pay $300 for a link to a jpg.
Good example was when myself and my brother went to a video game store a few weeks ago and me and the guy behind the counter were able to ramble on and explain the history of Night Trap to him since he just thought the cover looked cool.
There pretty much are collectors who care about the item and investors who only care about the value of the item but somehow the investors think they are just normal collectors and that it's different from NFTs, Crypto Currency and stuff like that. Don't get me wrong, collectors can also care about the value of something they collect but if you _only_ care about making money from it you're not a collector, you're an investor.
That collector guy has pretty much the EXACT same energy as those people that defend NFTs on the Internet. It's almost like this type of dishonesty is often practiced by the same types of people, no matter where you look.
@@JT-hk9ur paying to "own" something that you have no copyright over in hopes you can "sell" it to someone for a high price is very close to being the quintessential example of a scam. It's literally a market that involves buying and selling stuff that has no inherent value whatsoever. At least old school stocks are associated with businesses that actually do something. People who try to get people into buying NFTs are pretty much the 2020s equivalent of pyramid scheme flingers.
@@JT-hk9ur Claiming they have any real value for one thing. It's like buying a ticket to the Louvre and claiming you own the Mona Lisa. Except that ticket costs millions of euros instead of the 15 that everyone else pays. And it emits toxic gas. And instead of a one of a kind by Leonardo da Vinci, the painting was one of hundreds of nearly identical copies made by someone who never painted anything before they wanted to get rich off of it. And that person had less artistic skill that a four year old. (Okay this part is just opinion, but the rest is basically how it works)
This man's video is a masterclass in how to announce to a community that you are not part of their community and are only associated with them in order to profit off of them.
It truly is an amazing example of how shills and con-men operate. He talks down to the same community he pretends to be part of to make them feel insecure. Anyone who fills a video with cheesy stock shots, childish sound effects and quick cuts to back up a serious narrative clearly thinks the audience is stupid. This classic manipulation, which of course is exactly what he accuses Karl of doing at the beginning. This clown would sell out his own grandmother.
Great video. I remember meeting Silvester McCoy and I asked him to sign a Doctor Who card I had of his Doctor and he was so happy when I asked him to personalise it because it meant I had no interest in selling it. We had a really good chat about the upside and downside of the collectable market.
I really like the contrast between Karl's cool, neutral way of presenting his arguments and that collector's cynical, bad faith delivery. Even regardless of the actual arguments, the latter loses all credibility from the get-go.
There's also the contrast of Karl's professional presentation and the collector's obnoxious effects. That alone would turn me against them if I didn't know anything about this before now.
The investor guy lost me with the first wHaCkY eFfEcT wave. You just know immediately that it's style over substance, and that he has no leg to stand on. Meanwhile, Jobst keeps it professional, and has actual rebuttals.
Dude made a clown out of himself and then deleted ALL of his youtube video, great job Karl, is amusing to see someone actually using arguments and not crying cause his scam was found out.
@@Kermitgottagun - I came here on the comment section to just to find the name of this piece of shit and give a dislike on the video... A Bad made video i just ignore, "they will get better, maybe...", but Scammers are imoral by definition, i will take my time to fight back, even if is just a single dislike with very little impact... . I would be very happy if he got nuked.
lmao now I feel good. How can people be so slimy and think they can get away with it. He really tried to make that argument sitting in front of a wall of sealed wata games.
His video wasn't even a response. This was the quality rebuttal everyone is sharing? He didn't even bother to address anything Karl said or point out where he was factually incorrect. All he did was attack Karl personally for the entire video. It's the TH-cam equivalent of a teenager saying "You mad bro?" You hit the nail on the head. Clown is the only way to describe him.
I find it wild that this man set out with the goal of restoring the legitimacy of the names of game raters and consciously decided "I'm gonna act and edit this video like my target audience is 7 year olds."
As a supporter of over 2 years now, can confirm that I am an idiot not here for fair and honest reporting. I'm just here for the chocolate ad discounts 🍫
If that guy ever makes a response to this video, I can imagine him taking a screenshot of this comment and using it as evidence to prove his argument against Karl 😂
Investable assets are a real thing. The issue with Crypto and NFT is the market is full of scammers and grifters. Jewelry, watches and things of that nature are Investable assets and are more akin to the video games in this instance. A rare physical item that more people want to own than their are copies available. This guy gives off major scammer vibes, but not because he called it an Investable asset. That's a legitimate term.
Man really said, with his wall of collected video games behind him, opening the video with how much video game collections are getting to be worth, that Karl was the one doing it for money.
@@levievil9220 probably around $160-200k. No way he actually has anything that valuable in his collection, he just hopes to. He’s dirt broke, and alone
Speculators love speculating, both on pointless products they think they can sell to unfortunate people and on the motivations of people who call them out (which funnily enough are easy to attribute to them instead).
I mean, he’s rich enough to act like people had “nothing to spend their hard-earned dollars on” when the prices of essential goods was rising and making life for regular people hard
Regardless of the matter at hand, twisting other's statement out of context is inexcusable. People like that don't deserve trust. No one should be buying anything from that "collector".
Immediately his entire demeanor comes off as arrogant and smug. Not even going to listen to him talk. It's pretty obvious he's a clown and is mad about being exposed. Keep exposing these creeps, Karl!
The editing of that dude's video feels almost satirical in it's over the top nature. It feels like a cartoony evil corporation's example of how to manipulate the masses. It's a very surreal experience overall. Either way, keep doing you Karl, I love every second.
idk why, it gave me the vibe of an old Machinima video, or like a really shitty Nostalgia Critic skit, plus the guy kinda looks like him as well w/o the glasses
Glad to see someone else pointing this out! 🤗 I couldn't decide if his editing skills are just objectively bad, or if he was aiming for "The Room" vibes 😜
This gentleman’s argument against Karl really emphasizes the fallacies MOST arguments on the Internet end up utilizing in order to make their point. We have strawman, oversimplification among many others. Karl makes a excellent points regarding questioning sources, vested interest, and following the argumentative logic. If more consumers of content (especially those involved with TH-cam and Twitter and social media as a whole) just took ONE of the tools discussed here with them into the world, they would be more critical of the deceiving rhetoric they come across daily. Thanks Karl.
No true scotsman, some ad hominens, whatever leaving out context is called,... Its a great video for practicing spotting logical fallacies. Oh wait he was trying to argue for real? Oh man....
I saw a Black and White fallacy slip in there at some point as well. I may have also seen a mix of argument from authority and no true Scotsman with the "we real collectors" section.
@@Rabbit-the-One Black and white thinking is one of those fallacies that pretty much transcends critical thinking, as it is also how ancient religions like Manichaeism found appeal in the first place. Given how prominent philosophical dualism is to their worldview, it’s inevitable that its more relatable tenets would cross over to society as a whole, as well as the foundations of monotheistic religions as well. A distinct form of syncretism, if you will?
Remember, Shigeru Miyamoto said that the value of their games will always be zero, because the value of their games can only be measured by the joy, happiness and feelings experienced by the player while playing the game. He hates the retro market and said that games should be played and enjoyed, not be collected, hoarded and sold without playing it.
Watching his video makes me see how real the contrast is between a fake, ad hominem, straw man argument and real exposé reporting on an issue, makes me appreciate and respect Karl all the more
I think that the very second that a response starts with an arrogant, mocking and ridiculing tone, belittling the other person, the credibility of the response immediately drops by at least 90%. People who have actual legit strong counter-arguments to a serious issue do not need to resort to mockery and ridicule.
Yes, I seen that at university to. If people start to mock or joke about their topic/subject, I seen professors tell em to cut it out since its makes for an unserious tone and hurts credibility.
It's real easy to figure out. If the prices bottomed out tomorrow would you cheer and run out and buy the games you couldn't afford. Or would you panic sell your collection and hope to recoup some of your investment. One person is a collector, the other is a speculator. It's real easy to figure out who's who.
Yeah this comment sums it up nicely. A real collector doesn't really care about the value beyond maybe ensuring that the things they're collecting are in good condition, which happens to be more valuable and thus pricey. They just want to own the thing.
Yeah but I think most collectors would probably be still somewhat pissed they bought overpriced games and it may negatively impact the sale of such games for legitimate traders and investors within the market but over all yes when it comes down to it Speculators will panik more when the Market crashes as their investments are reliant on a bubble which is very risky.
@@nicocchi in an odd way for some collectors that are starting out if the bubble bursts it would likely cause many games to be less than standard so they can buy mint condition games in the cheap.
The best part about implying Karl's a liar because he's a TH-camr is that this guy is apparently himself a TH-camr. Karl really didn't even need to make a video like this. Most of the guy's points end up getting refuted later on by himself.
The moral of this story is: Do not go after Jobst unless you have absolute irrefutable proof of him being wrong. He will systematically tear you apart. Just don't even try him.
Also, Jobst (the name) comes from Iyov, a biblical character who goes through extreme misfortune at the hands of god yet still stands, A fitting name, for certain.
This guy isn't trying to convince those who were shocked by your original video. He is trying to soothe the people maintaining the growth of the bubble ao they don't all panic and sell off their stuff. It's the exact same thing as when crypto bros defend NFTs. They need NFTs to be perceived as successful in order to continue profiting of it.
But the only people who invest in nfts, are the ones who already own some now, so who will be the first to give up and sell and the last one remaining with worthless items?
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 That's the thing, there still is variation among them. There are the ones who got in first who are getting ready for the pump-and-dump, and there are the marks who got in later who are going to be left holding the bag when the market implodes, this twerp is trying to reassure the latter so they don't get spooked and flee before the initial speculators are ready to sell.
@@aaronlemoine3707 the way it's delivered is so malicious and villainous. Very strong bully vibes with the way he's acting. Very unnatural and instrumental. Actually reminds me a lot of christian fundamentalist "science debunking" videos, where the goal is similar: to discredit those who are promoting inconvenient truths.
Don't you just love it when someone makes a "response" that's pure BS and it gets broken down into EVERY LITTLE PIECE of why it's being stupid and missed the point 😂
It's kind of funny that he questions how much Karl researched this and that during his video, but he apparently did not research Karl very much at all. All it would take is to review his older videos to realize if you put out an video about him that is not factual, he absolutely WILL respond and tear your arguments apart.
I have always hated the “I’ve never heard of this person so he is discounted” argument. There is a reason the highest rated video you have put out is the one exposing these people. Keep it up legend
Enter any academical school of thought and you'll find renowned PhDs whom 99.9% of people wouldn't recognize in the street. Shit, most top 40 celebs in the US wouldn't get recognized in Japan.
Plus if you think about it, more people have never heard of... Umm I already forgot his name...But anyway less people have heard of him than have heard of Karl Jobst. Plus if he really has never heard of Karl Jobst and has no idea who he is, how the hell are his explanations for Karl's motivations and whatnot supposed to be taken seriously? You can't explain the motivations of someone you don't know anything about.
I also hated that argument, but I've also started to hate the whole "they're just doing it for the views" thing being used as an excuse for a loose argument point, because first of all, we're not living in 2016 anymore where people constantly complained about clickbait, it's pretty much par for the course at this point (unless you're actually proven to have been lying from the title alone), and second, we're past the notion of youtubers simply making money in their career is bad, you have to add something else with that statement or else it'll just feel like you're using really generalized statements that ultimately don't mean anything in a debate like this anymore.
The way he cut together the clips there in the end is absolutely disgusting and you could've just shown that part and dropped the mic. Great video as always Jobst Who?? :D I've been bingewatching your stuff lately. Keep it up!
karl jobst is a savage. he starts the video with "look i'm about to destroy this dude; the beating i'm boutta give him will be more than enough so please don't join in"
Honestly yeah. If anything we should be seeing if he needs a doctor after this. It was so one sided i almost pitied him just for losing so bad to Karl but then he would speak and annoy me again.
There is a difference between a well manered, public and personal response, vs a bunch of angry fans writing hate comments with half wrong facts. Karl just has the gift to beat his opponents bloody with words, without ever being rude or lying.
I don't think I've ever seen a TH-camr actually disclose how much they make on a video to make a point or defend from bad faith criticism. Good on you for having the cojones to do that.
This guy has the most unlikable qualities I have seen in a while. You can see why he is trying so desperately to assassinate Karl's character. That collection behind him wouldn't be worth half as much as what him and the likes of him intend it to be. Well done, Karl, you rustled the hornets nest and we are with ya.
That dude was such a shill it almost feels prefunctory. Like the scammers hired a pliable content creator just for the sake of showing family or investors a response video, facts be damned when profit and reputation is on the line.
I honestly believe wata and heritage paid him to make the video and if they did and he didn't disclose that, well let's just say that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yeahhhh, I knew I wasn't going to like him 2 secs into the video when he started the exaggerated facial expressions and eyebrow movements. Common signs of lies and manipulation. Then almost immediately tries to take a jab at Karl for his last name? lmao, dude took the L before he even began.
You're right, it beggars belief that anyone would bother to make such a transparently dishonest video, knowing that Karl and his subscribers will be incentivised to deconstruct the lies and expose the creator as an idiot. They'd either have to be exceptionally stupid, or have a public humiliation fetish, or be a paid shill just making a hit piece for money. (It's "per"-functory, btw, rather than "pre". It's probably just a typo but I thought I'd mention it just in case.)
Jobst has no idea how deep this goes (or does he?). Kahn = Cohen. Kahn is just a variant of the name Cohen. Kahn is probably Steve Cohen's son or nephew. It's the Germanized form of the name Cohen. Just look it up. This is all about billionaires trying to corner the market and gain some sort of rent-seeking/monopoly over it. They do this everywhere. Don't just follow the money, but also their genealogies.
He should have done a deeper investigation on Pawn Stars. Nobody gets on prime-time TV like that without connections anymore. The only thing that shill was correct was Pawn Stars is probably faked in some way. Yes there are real transactions taking place, but just look deeper at the people making them. In fact, the shill basically dares you to see through the charade with that weird argument he made.
Karl, I only have a passing interest in the topics you cover, but I still find your videos insightful and engaging. It's obvious to any of your regular viewers that the videos you create have value. Keep up the good work and don't let the idiots get you down.
tbh he has the ability to commit to large projects and the talent to follow through which is more than can be said about most people, let alone gamers lol. it’s maybe almost a little discrediting, but either way he’s a legend
Also rich people criticising ways other people make money is rich in itself. Karl makes an honest living. These investors don’t know what the meaning of the word “honesty”.
I've been a game collector for 10 years and anyone else who's been a collector for more than a year already knew there was fraud. We just needed your original video to bring it out into the light. My blood would boil every time I saw a video or article about a million dollar Mario game. My collection skyrocketed in value but honestly I would just rather be able to keep collecting video games, I had to give it up over 2 years ago. I honestly think video games will get up there one day like comic books but for now I would just like to keep my hobby a little while longer.
Yup, we all knew that that sale was fraud. The one thing that puts a smile on my face is< i will make money on my 30 year old collection and they will lose money.
I am not a collector, but even I was like "You've got to be fkn kidding me..." when I read about Mario 64 cartridge selling for a million. I mean from what I understand about collecting the price should be more or less relative to the rarity of the item. So... Where's the rarity in a Mario 64 cart (or any Mario game for that matter, Nintendo produced millions of them, they were the most best selling games for every N's respective console)? Even if you take the cart condition into account, it all doesn't add up no matter how you slice it. So my first thought was, that it was some sort of scam to artificially inflate the prices to make some huge profits for people behind this scheme. Then I watched Karl's video from a year ago, and it only confirmed my suspicions.
@@XDWASDX ROMs only preserve the core game, collectors preserve the cartridge, the tech, the manuals, the boxes, everything that phisically came with the game. Your argument is like saying that because of street view, we can start demolishing historical buildings...
No one could roast and dismantle someone's entire life so elegant, calm and respectful way. This guy's whole credibility plumbed harder than the value of his entire shelf of games. I love to see a well elaborated video and i've never been dissapointed in your videos, they're so interesting that I can't believe I just watched almost an hour of video
you know what makes me not trust someone in a "debate" like this? when one of the members of the "debate" goes and attacks the character of the other person, INSTEAD of attacking their talking points, INSTEAD of addressing valid data and evidence thats been brought forth, INSTEAD of talking about the facts, they choose to try to discredit the other person.
Not to mention all the sealed video games he has in the background. Dude has invested a lot. He collects to make money, not because he is passionate about gaming.
I use to work for an estate sales company. The one thing people always seem to forget, just because something is in good condition, rare and or old doesn’t mean it worth a lot.
Everything is worth something to someone. That's the problem with the market, idiots buying inflated prices because their empty life literally has nothing but spare money.
I have a factory sealed copy of Carmageddon 64 that only cost me 60 bucks and last i checked it was going for about 300 odd but i didn't buy it to sell it off, i bought it because Carmageddon 64 in any form be it a factory sealed or just the cartridge itself in Australia is on of those hard to get ones, not as rare as something like say Conkers Bad Fur Day (that one even for just the cartridge is like finding a needle in a haysack and when you DO find one here in Australia you're looking at 200+ easily for JUST the cartridge alone) and it was one of the N64 games that i never got to actually own back in the day so i bought it simply to say "i now own something i missed out on back then"
@@garethjones4742 It doesn't though. Being rare, old, and in good nick does not equate to being valuable all that often. That usually only happens with items of high notoriety. The rare times it happens for more items, is usually when there's a bubble and speculation is running rampant.
@garethjones Not really. As a train collector a lot of older trains that used to cost a down payment on a house are now a down payment for a car. Every year they're dropping hard in price because no one wants to collect them outside of weirdos like my who are waiting for min bids to drop so we can afford them. I know a collector who is a boomer that spent a crazy amount of money on these trains and he doesn't understand that just because he paid 30k for them doesn't mean we will. As boomers drop like flies their rare and valuable train collections drop in price and no longer become valuable. Meanwhile there is an shin megami tensei art book that's been OoP for a year that is worth more than some trains that used to be 5k. My long OoP SMT CD collection is barely worth anything because of how few collectors there are for it despite having all of the preorder bonuses with them. The art book is worth more than my entire CD collection and the CD collection is much older and much more rare. Some of these had a limited run of 500 copies in the 90s
As a collector myself the actions of WATA has hurt my ability to continue trying to complete my NES collecton because people jack up the price of all games regardless of rarity. Even before your viral video came out there were plenty of us that saw that it was a bubble that was being manipulated. I appreciate your video exposing them and I'm sorry that they felt compelled to be dishonest about you and your well put together arguments against what they are continuing to do.
This is why I gave up collecting. I was starting up the hobby and then I saw people high-balling the price of EVERYTHING, I decided that it wasnt worth it, I rather emulate at this point.
As a casual NES cartridge collector, I agree so hard about this. Everyone with any game thinks it's worth big bucks. It's not. Loose carts have gotten stupidly expensive but it's just choaking out collectors and attracting rubes who think the value is just going up up up.
Same here. The guy in the video claims to be an authority because he's been collecting for ten years... I've been collecting casually since the 1990s, and the Heritage/WATA thing is another in a line of developments over the years that are pricing me out of certain sectors of the hobby. I also casually collect VHS, and was very disheartened to see Heritage is beginning to get into that market as well.
I love how these guys are like 'start a hedgefund if you have a wacky idea'. Imagine living in a world where you not only have a hedgefund but that's your go to for 'wacky ideas'
I actually enjoyed that part, it was the most mundane example of what a hedge fund even is and I genuinely learned something today, it makes me hate hedge fund managers even more now.
I imagine some people who bought the overpriced games would be upset with Karl for basically saying they got scammed, because some people would rather double down than admit they got swindled.
I love how he said people had 'nothing to spend their hard earned dollars on' during the pandemic. 2020-21 saw at that point in time the greatest increase in prices of common goods and services ever seen, a problem only worsening now.
That's how you can tell even before the pandemic he was in a very privileged and wealthy position, so much that he barely felt the impact of the pandemic at all lol.
@@moviemaker2011z Really shows the level of integrity Karl was dealing with here. If the man had a real point to make he'd have stood his ground, instead he got rightly labeled a dishonest fraud and hid in a hole like a coward.
God bless Karl and his undieing never ending quest to expose all the scum of the video game world. Be it some faked speed run or market manipulation Karl is a hero. Thank you for all your hard work and great video quality. Absolute Fucking LEGEND!!
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I am disappointed at the amount of comments from people attacking his appearance etc. Please rise above being like that. Debates like this are just fun for the sake of them. Enjoy it for what it is and don't be hateful.
Good guy Karl.
Attack the argument, not the person
Idk bro I kinda like dissing about appearances
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@@Rapgod3hoursclean Can't we do both
He isn't a collector. he is an investor and as an investor he will do anything to protect the value of his investment including lie and defame
Which is why they should be purged
People hate being called that. I remember the same thing happening to pokemon card collectors
Until he's dumped his bags, because as soon as the dump of a pump and dump hits suddenly all the cheerleaders fall silent.
He's not an investor, he's a speculator, which is worse.
@@lolschrauber I mean, child molesters also hate being called child molesters, but what people like to be called is irrelevant to what they are...
If 1 video by a TH-camr causes your entire business to fail, then it was a business built on sand.
As a sand retailer, I resent this statement.
@@ByzantineDarkwraith As someone who builds sandboxes for kids as a side hustle:
Where is my damn sand? I been waiting weeks
@@Diggler569 As someone who recently stole over $20,000 in sand from the back of a truck:
Hey, uh, sucks about the sand. I hope you get it soon.
@@LiarraSniffles_X3 as the driver on the truck, you got me fired
@@ronyrubinov7449 As the kid just wanting to play in a sandbox: wheeeeeeeeeeeh 😭
"Rip open King Tut's sarcophagus because beds are meant to be laid in" SIR that is a COFFIN and there's ALREADY A CORPSE OCCUPYING IT that is such a ridiculous attempt at an argument lmao
Not to even mention that they...opened the coffin and removed the mummy at various points, so it's an even worse comparison
Coffins are meant to contain dead people.
A real collector would have not put a corpse in there in the first place.
Actually according to some Egyptologists, it wasn’t uncommon for nobles and pharaohs to do exactly that: Rob tombs and even sarcophagi to reuse for their own burial.
Lmao I came here to state this. As soon as I heard his argument I did the ole stroking the chin inquisitively move 🤔 (edited misspelling of lmao from pmao)
To me, the fact he took the time to alter clips and then refuted the altered clips shows actual malice and is the most disgusting part of it. At that point, it's not grasping at straws, it's manipulation.
Yes, when you're commenting on manipulated clips to "prove" your point it's because you didn't have a point in the first place.
He knew exactly what he was doing. That's not accidental.
@@Melsharpe95 I am playing the devil's advocate here, but consider he has the viewpoint of believing the inflated value to be actual: Would he not edit it down to the words that he think are most relevant to his argument, seeing integral parts as irrelevant? This would make sense considering how consistently he seems to miss Karl's points, he could simply have poor judgment/reasoning.
Again, that is devil's advocacy, but being manipulative doesn't make him smart either and he may genuinely believe in some of his points even if he is intentionally lying and/or defaming Karl.
@@magikarpusedsplash8881 When you edit a person's comment in such a way as to say the exact opposite of what they said- that's not accidental. It even goes beyond cherry picking. It's misrepresentation.
You're probably right in that he's not a critical thinker in the proper sense. After all it looks like his videos usually get around 500 views so I think he was just making a hot-take reaction video.
Unfortunately he couldn't find evidence to support his position so decided to "create" some that did.
It's also unfortunate because the guy just seems like some random channel just posting about what they like and has now drawn all this negative attention.
The question ist always, are they incompetent or malicious? When someone cuts content this accurately and thereby misrepresents the actual statement, incompetence becomes highly unlikely and malicious intent is all that remains.
A smart prosecutor would use this in court to win their case against a scammer.
A smart judge wouldn't need a second look at the case to use this to declare a guilty verdict.
Bet you a nickel nobody's smart. Although... considering the beautiful comedy in the Alex Jones trials, I'd LOVE to lose that bet. PleasepleasePLEASE.
Collectors are happy when prices drop because they can add to their collections. Speculators are happy when prices climb because they can leverage their investments. They are not the same people. They are two very different people sharing a market, one out of love, one out of greed.
I'd be so happy if all my games were suddenly worth nothing
I collect vinyl and the same applies.. You see greedy stores pushing up prices of vinyl that just isn't worth what they're asking. It'll sit there for years with no one buying it however I'd buy it immediately if it was reasonably priced
@@theMansalad I’m literally a video game reseller and I tell all of my customers frequently that these games values are ridiculous. I do what I can do give deals where it makes sense. I’ve been a collector for 20+ years at this point (just turned 35) and what always made collecting fun was the awesome amount of games you could get for affordable prices, especially compared to buying them new upon release.
If games plummeted in value, the likelihood of my business continuing with games as the focus (profit wise) would definitely shift. I’d start pushing stuff with greater margins.
But man would I be happy for myself & gamers alike. I could get cheap games for myself again without having to buy big ass lots, pick out what I want, and then take months to flip the rest.
@@theMansalad me too
I just want to buy more games for my collection without having to decide if It’s going to put me in a tough spot this month with rent
"Jobst is just doing this for profit" ...later... "There's nothing wrong with me and others doing these things for profit." Way to argue against himself.
Yeah he said that and you can see all this video games he's sponging up hoping to resell later and admits that's his motivation. Yeah, ok bro
Theres "profit" *shakes head*
And "Profit" *smiles and nods enthusiastically*
A self-detonating ahhhhhgument.
everyone wants profit
Expecting logic from a pissed off Speculator is like expecting logic from a Casino whale, his is likely just pissed off at Karl for his loss in profits trying to make money out of the bubble, which is really all on him.
When you showed the actual context of Pat's quote that was the confirmation that I needed that this guy is intentionally lying. You nailed him to a board. Keep up the great content.
Pat Contri is a notorious scam artist. The easiest way to tell if he's lying is to look at his mouth. If it's open, he's lying.
@@reicherruschach3727Even if that is true it doesn’t at all change the original commenters point or diminish it. Pats quote was taken out of context, regardless of whether or not you agree with his full quote, or trust pat as a person, it doesn’t change the fact that Mad Dog intentionally cut the quote to make it seem like pat was saying something else, which is scummy and shows that he doesn’t actually have a legitimate argument to make to discredit him.
@@TriAzFThat is true indeed. You don't need to manipulate things to make Contri look dishonest; he already does enough disingenuous things on his own.
I can't really tell if he's intentionally lying or if he's just ignorant and doesn't know what he's talking about. Cause the lies he tells are embarrassing considering how easily they can be debunked. Like, he completely missed the point behind why marketing your own product without disclosing your relationship to the company (if you have one) is unethical and illegal when there are FTC laws that clearly state why. Plus, he seems to misinterpret a lot of things that Karl says and doesn't even understand what the video is about. He thinks Karl is attacking the entire graded video game industry, community and collectors when his video mainly focuses on two companies and their unethical and manipulative business practices. I really don't know how he managed to overlook this. Perhaps he's just not very intelligent.
@@nissan_skylineI’m pretty sure he’s lying because those things you pointed out. I’m 26mins through Karl’s video and I haven’t heard that man discuss or refute one actual point that Karl made. He’s barely discussing the same topic, instead he goes on attacking his straw man and making implications about Karl.
I don’t want to believe that a man that can speak so well and seems to be at least moderately successful, could watch Karl’s video and so clearly miss the point.
Maybe I can chalk it up to him being so close to the situation and emotionally invested that he subconsciously blocked out the point of the video because it would make him feel like his was played for a fool if he was/is a regular patron of Wata and Heritage. But even then, I would expect him to defend those companies directly if that were the case and he hasn’t referenced them or their owners yet.
Edit: finished the video; he did start referencing Wata and some of Karl’s actual points but he straight up lied about all of them. Yeah, this dude was lying the whole time.
When he says "real" collectors, he means speculative investors. The actual real collectors saw one of the best selling, common games of all time sell for millions and thought, "That doesn't seem right". But Karl went and dove into this head first, did a bunch of frankly excellent research, and published it. Then immediately, people were trying to discredit and cancel him. This was an important piece of reporting, and the backlash only reinforces that. Nobody likes to be left holding the bag, but that is a risk you should be prepared for when speculating on any type of volatile market.
Yes, and anyone barracking for collectable price increases are speculators by definition.
Real collectors surely want the prices to be stable so they can afford to continue collecting.
@@msmyrk also regular Investors would have probably been indifferent to the stocks deflating and normalising so yeah this guy is likely a Speculator and is likely lossing Profits perhaps even a lot of profits.
I agree.
I was already casually collecting video games from a very young age. The only reason I would care about the market is so I don't get ripped off with outrageous prices. I don't care about rising and falling prices so I can sell them later, I care about that so I am able know if I am getting a good deal. I think that buying super common games for more than 3 times their original retail price is ridiculous. I buy games that came with a case with it because I wasn't the game to be protected so I can play it.
I am a collector that wouldn't be opposed to selling games i no longer want. That is collecting.
Buying games only for the sake of profit is not collecting. It's investment.
he acts so "holier than thou" its strange he thought his video would appeal to anyone
he needs to learn to drop his ego, but I don't think he's capable of doing that.
What's going to be next, the vintage laptop and computer scene? If enough people bought enough of the stuff that's goes on the market, they'd control old PC part prices..
“This guy insults my very being to the core, but please don’t attack or harass him. I don’t want to be the cause to spark up hate.”
Words from an Absolute Legend
Agreed good on Karl for maintaining the high road. the internet is the internet tho, there have been and will always be the "for the lulz" crowd. (i am aware that reference dates myself but point still stands)
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Karl is a legend, but lets not be fanatic here. He did it to cover his own ass
@@kathypierson1128 Hi, that does not make sense. thanks and have a great day.
My favourite piece of irony that locked my attention was how that guy kept slamming you for using click-baiting practices while simultaneously editing his video like a 16 yr old's TH-cam debut 'prank gone sexual' video
When he said something along the lines of “look past the dramatic music” about Karl’s video, meanwhile he seemingly downloaded the attack ad sound effect starter pack.
@@TheLukeHines Do Karl's videos even have music outside of the sounds of a given clip he may be showing?
Yeah. In the beginning Karl said his video is going to make that guy's video look bad, but for me that was not the case. They guy himself made his video look bad. It's honestly so terrible I had to take breaks during watching.
@@MaskedDeath_ Mate, it makes me cringe in just 45 seconds in. And watching further didn't get any better either.
And that lighting. Was he trying to be cute thinking that scary red would subconsciously make you mad? His video did made me mad, subconsciously and consciously, but the red did nothing. The way he talked on the other hand made me feel like he was insulting my intelligence. Then he finished making his point proving that he was indeed insulting my intelligence.
The thing that pisses me off the most about the guy is the fact he called a sarcophagus a bed, tbh. Like wasn't he taught in history class that they are coffins??
which creates the argument of "if you owned a sarcophagus, would you want to be buried in it?" To which the answer is, obviously, yes, who wouldn't?
That comment even got me. For 5 seconds I'm like "Ah yes I guess It could make a neat bed I guess."
Followed by.
"Wait! Is baldy basics for real? That's a bed you never leave, that's a coffin."
@@velvetkiss8014lol on the calling him baldy basics
@@velvetkiss8014
Hey baldys basics does something good this andrew tate wanna be is doing nothing
@@cyanthrope If I didn't want to be buried in a sarcophagus then I would have spent my sarcophagus money on something else.
I almost forgot I'm in that guy's dumb video. Sweet lord the dishonesty on display.
Hey. Great to see a comment from one of the main affected by the "collector". I hope he deletes his videos and make a public apology about misrepresenting you, Karl, and many other people who got involved there.
@@forgiveman He's made his channel private at least, so that's a good start
@@forgiveman Correction, the channel isn't private, he just deleted all the videos on his channel
I'm afraid you won't be able to view such dishonesty in its entirety again-- Mad Dog Collection's has either deleted or privated all his TH-cam videos.
It's insane to me how much dishonesty he can display. He literally just crops out the start of the phrase and turns what you are saying on the opposite, and show something from the SAME stream that contradicts it to make you sound crazy or something? Holy sh*t, that's insane.
I love how he attacks your "dramatic music and narrative tone" while having the most aggressively manipulative and dramatic editing I've seen outside of a narrative critical social media post within a live action teens movie.
For real. The incessant foghorns and meme edits make him sound absolutely juvenile. Who's his audience meant to be, five year olds?
@@PrimroseParadoxthere’s more young children in TH-cam than you think
Hey Joe! Stop looking for a balanced story/view ... as he told. We have to fit his stereotypes! Hehehehhee
This guy is really something special. Not only the strawmen, but also these useless red herrings like mentioned by you, Joe. This narrow and strange concentration about the form/presentation (the music/tone) and not the content (the actual points, Karl made) can only arise from the mind of a child. If a stutterer reports that your car is burning ... you get out ... fast! This guy instead wants to discuss stuttering. And the icing of the cake is that he is first insulting Carl and immediately after that his viewers, us. What a clown. **facepalm** (I really don't want to know how this guy did come to wealth ...)
I hate the way he pronounced Mario. It's Mah Ree Yo not Mare ee yo. Instantly lost credibility.
@@AfricanLionBatIt’s a me, Mary yo
And he just now put his entire channel on private. Clearly this wasn’t a hill he was ready to die on. Great job 👍
Yeah. He received 90% dislike rate on his video. We won boys :D
@@jpad0929 How can you tell the ratio when the dislike number is gone?
@@bleedorange1998 must've seen it before the shutdown.
@@bleedorange1998 there are apps that let you see it still. it's available from the youtube API in my understanding and the app can surface it and integrate it in the frontend
Nothing says “I’m right” quite like removing your videos from the public eye.
I'm not going to trust anyone who says "we used to champion our heroes" while showing a picture of Hulk Hogan as an example. Hulk Hogan is the reason Hulk Hogan is no longer "championed"
his champion is hulk hogan?
hm, the amount of lying in his video seems to make a lot more sense now 😌
i wonder if he was almost the bassist for Metallica too
Who is your hero? Child predator creepy Joe?
That's why he made the video like that BROTHER!
What did Hulk Hogan do
@@Fredrickthe2ndracism and it seems like lying is his only way to communicate with others
The thing that really gets me is that this guy is basically stating that video game collecting is a worthless hobby unless you can sell your collection for millions of dollars. Video game collecting isn’t about who has the more expensive game, collecting in general is about collecting something your passionate about
Indeed. Which is why he isn't a collector, he's an investor.
@@d.n4203 He's an opportunist. He's only interested in investing in games because of the speculative value they will have in the future. Collecting for 10 years in something that has exploded in the last 10 years is his tell. We, as in the gaming community, would never know who this guy was, had Cabbage Patch Kids exploded in popularity, the way retro gaming did.
I kinda got that impression too.
Did he have a channel before this video?
@@Rabbit-the-One Evidently yes, but he blew that.
His response felt like "You're no real gangster, you have no idea about extortion, so leave us honest criminals alone!!"
lmao
The way he flip-flops between "Karl Jobst is going to completely ruin us" and "Karl Jobst is a nobody not even worth considering" in the same breath is infuriating at times. He can't even pick one lie and stick with it...
9:28 I like how he asks "But who is Karl Jobs". But then I wondered who this bald guy is and what makes him the ultimate authority on sealed video game market? I mean, I've been collecting over 20 Years now and I've never heard of him before this day. Asking around the hobby, nobody has. Odd isn't it?
It's a classic rhetorical device to paint one's foes as "foes"
They are both great and terrible while being weak and meaningless.
Best faith interpretation that I can do, you could see this as "he has a large audience that could interfere in the space" and "he's a nobody in the hobby/business, so we shouldn't listen to him"
Still, both are shit arguments that don't matter and he shouldn't have used them.
It's almost like fascists must overestimate and underestimate their enemies at the same time
@@the1truepickaxe298 _A wild fascist argument appeared!_
Watching that dude genuinely made me angry. The way he edited, talked and carried himself was just downright annoying. Good on you for keeping things cordial, can’t say I coulda done the same.
Also appears he deleted his video. All I could find was the 3 way conversation done a bit afterward. Not surprised he backtracked.
"You know who's a great soft target for me to lie about in my video? Karl Jobst. The guy who literally debunks and archives hoaxes, cheats, and lies." 🙄
"Clearly this is a good idea, and will in no way backfire against me."
Clueless
The one guy that Billy Mitchell couldn't make back down. Yea, that's the target I wanna go after empty-handed🤷
"Because nobody is better than me"
@@gurmyigoll3535the most infuriating thing is that they always move on to the next delusion or act like it never happened and if it did happen then surely not like that.
This is such a good response. No personal attacks, no cheesy editing, just well delivered arguments.
My lord that guy is insufferable, his condescending, mocking "holier than thou" attitude is brutal. At no point did he discredit a single segment of your video.
He should take up apologetics, he would be good at it
it's funny that he showed Bill Maher in the video when describing a strawman argument. Bill Maher who is now loved by Fox News and is praising himself as the ultimate truth teller, meanwhile he is an just an out of touch stereotypical center right boomer douche who loves beating up on strawmen.
The only reason that I watched that guy speaking is because of Karl, otherwise I would completely click out of that asshole video, his way of speaking is just disgusting to watch, his sense of moral superiority makes me want to vomit.
Yeah I thought the same.
The cadence that he speaks with, paired with the extremely cringe-worthy editing hurts my bones
I know I'm late to the party, but one of my favorite things about you is how unbiased you are and how much time and effort you put into Investigations, even if it means they come at you legally. Keep up the amazing work you absolute legend
Instead of engaging with the argument, they:
a) misrepresent your point
b) make any attack on them an attack on the industry as a whole
c) do the "I don't know this person" bit to delegitimize your point without addressing it
d) do the "he's making money so he must be lying" bit
Politicians do this kind of shit all the time.
Great Wealth is the only thing that matters to these people. That clown is likely already a millionaire, but won't be happy until he has more, more, more. He'll end up building a mansion from doing the very little labor of speculating. OR. He'll go broke from speculating. Something tells me he's probably into NFTs and crypto as well. Where only the people who get in early make any money from it, and they do it at the expense of any like-minded sucker that happens to come along later.
my problems with it are how most of the points he makes don't even relate to the topic at hand. I mean, what does the guy think he's proving by attacking fox 9? and he also attacks the viewer, why would I take him seriously when i'm getting attacked for seeing evidence and changing my opinion based on it? just such an obvious attempt to protect an investment and (i suspect) gain a following from generating more controversy.
Thats the problem of being wrong and knowing it, you can't make a good faith argument.
No wonder he's attacking you with all of these obvious lies. He's trying to reach out to his target audience (the gullible idiots) so he can sell off his own scammed investment!
Exactly, he's not stupid. We get it, his audience won't, and they'll eat up all the dramatic music, the strawman arguments, the blatant misdirection, the simple digestible narrative - he's pandering to the lowest common denominator.
It's all classic huckster prevarication, he has no interest in the truth or in making a good argument. Like the spineless mollusc he is, he expels a cloud of ink and flees back to his lair.
No wonder we have so many blockheads in office.
Scammers over the phone do this, too. If you're smart enough to see through their obvious lies? Dropped like a rock. They'll never call you again with the intent to scam, only to harass and annoy if you were an especially egregious example. I called my scammer a "benchode bosedeke" and he immediately hung up. I received calls for like two weeks. Presumably his boss told him to knock it off and call people they can actually scam, I dunno why he stopped.
It filters out people who are going to waste the scammer's time. That way, they're only interacting with stupid people, and you know what they say about parting a fool from his money...
How on earth is Karl able to remain so calm in the face of such bad-faith arguments? It's infuriating that anyone thinks that guy is credible.
After being sued by Billy "World's best cheater" Mitchell
and Todd "Todgers" Rogers, everything else are small fries
Karl has true, citable facts and examples on his side. It's much easier to remain calm when you know you're right. I'd expect Karl to be excited to make these kinds of videos as it's a thrill to call people out with factual evidence.
Read between the lines, As much as he tries to rise above it there are times he lets it get to him.
By training, enduring for years, then doing 12 takes for the video. He slips once in a while but overall he does very well
For one we can’t see his attempts at each clip. Think about how he is human. No human is perfect. I don’t know when that video he is criticizing came out, but it was not just a week ago, he had time to get angry about it then think it through. He had the time to organize himself and do the research and show how the video is wrong. I would guess that we don’t see the whole original video so he could have some parts that he did not find enough to discredit it, but he did his homework.
"Do I look like a puppet to you?"
Yes, like Pinocchio to be exact.
Except that his nose would have been a lot longer.
he just wanted to be a real boy..
He loses a strand of hair every time he lies
I was thinking "The Hood" from Thunderbirds.
@@potatog4322💀💀
I don't know, you guys... Karl might've backed up his arguments with stats and clips of people saying and doing exactly what he's talking about, putting forth irrefutable proof, however, the other guy had compelling stock footage to back up his metaphorical buzzword salad and skillfully avoided Karl's points with strawman-arguments left and right.
I'll still go with Karl on this one though because he's slightly more handsome, in my opinion.
lol
Yeah between karl and a guy who looks like peter molyneu i”ll go for karl
Forgot the fact that the other guy has a Royal Rumble match, in the background, of his video lmao
Also Karl is an ABSOLUTE LEGEND which this other guy is clearly not
The fact that they made a video specifically calling you out Karl, means you're on point, and hitting all the right nerves.
I do agree that he uses a lot of clickbaity bullshit in his titles though, this one included. I know that's part of the youtube game, but it is still gross.
@@SGFTI ok scammer.
@@SGFTI you need to silence yourself
Karl dismantled their racket . Wata games makes untold amounts of money for making bogus non sense ratings.Its silly. This guys attitude towards Karl is just as bad and is indicative of what they are all trying to do. They thought they were clever but the house of cards they built just got exposed for millions of people to see
@@SGFTI How is this clickbait? In this video, a video game collector called him a fraud, and that's exactly the title of the video.
I feel a little embarrassed every time he confidently believes he makes a good point.
ditto
He knows he's talking BS, but he doesn't care as long as the video gets exposure. If he manages to convince even one dope to pay him a million dollars for a sealed game, then it's a huge W.
This is pure speculation and not based on anything other than an idea I pulled out of my ass... but I would not be surprised if it's later revealed that his video was made only because he was secretly hired by WATA Games to make an "independently created" video supprting them.
I can't think of very many people who would simp for a company as much as this guy did, and out of the goodness of their own hearts.
He's a salesman, he knows its BS
@@nickfifteen I am not by any means saying that you are wrong (as I am just speculating too), but I do want to say that he has a literal wall of WATA sealed games behind him... that is very good reason to make a video like this. That being said, I truly think that it is a combination of yours too. I think he was hired, or atleast heavily influenced, by WATA and the fact that he also had prior motivation drove him to commit.
Okay so watching people lie like this is so painful and I’m really glad that you replied so beautifully. Honestly, I enjoy people reasonably responding to deceitful videos, it just feels good to know that lies like this don’t just stand without question.
This guy sounds like he's trying to convince us to join his pyramid scheme of buying overpriced graded games so we can become rich 😂
That is exactly what it is to them.
I kept having flashbacks to the height of the NFT craze.
Yeah, like those guys who do presentations: "How to make money!" and the answer is always "just give me your money"
@@sock2828 I mean, it's the same thing, speculative bubbles inflated on pure promotion.
*HE becomes rich
I can't quite wrap my head around the audacity of calling Karl, who is arguably one of the best investigative gaming journalists out there, *a fraud and a liar.*
If you cannot understand that then understand this, people who stand to gain the most tend to be the loudest against their opponents whom the latter has proof
Karl even exposed Karl for cheating and came clean about it, that's some honesty you wont find anywhere else in the industry.
Projection is a hell of a thing. People really think it works to discredit people like Karl XD
Probably the ONLY investigative journalist
@@Lightna i think that person was using flowery (sp) to illustrate a point, good on you for helping them out if not. Some folk might be so distant from the thought process they actually needed help.
how many times do we have to teach you this lesson old man
'Bald man' might have worked better here, heh heh...
Always at least one more time. Or so they think.
@@Frightnoodle no need to name call, regardless of what he said
@@GyrateMeHoe I agree, but I also think it's a better descriptive word to tailor the meme to him
@Hansy mad dog collector
My dad gave me some valuble advice:
"There are two types of people, people who pronounce it Mario, & people who pronounce it as Mayrio.
Never trust anyone who pronounces it Mayrio"
Words to live by
I say Mayrio and I’m not at all trustworthy so those are words to live by
italian pronunciation vs anglicized speech
haha like mozzarel?!
Guess I can’t trust Thomas Game Docs
That guy is just so.... horribly, blatantly and disgustingly dishonest. Good on you for handling this in such a professional way.
Also one of the most unimpressive “I’m a smart person on TH-cam” act I’ve ever seen
That dude has the most infuriating, manipulative, and childish editing I have ever seen. Even without context, I'd hate him on that sole characteristic
That is exactly what I thought already at the beginning of his video lmao
it’s literally like he’s trying to dangle keys in front of your face. It’s almost insulting just to watch, very hard to believe he has a fan base
He talks at 75% speed and like he’s addressing a classroom of toddlers.
Oh god, yeah I just got to the 3 minute mark. I can't bear his speaking style.
Also his way of speaking too. He isn’t good at lying.
Karl is such a saint. He dismantled this man’s entire video without insulting or degrading the man and was calm and composed the entire time. Amazing work, Karl.
Karl Shapiro calmly DISMANTLES beta males entire Ponzi scheme
@@dopaminedreams1122 Karl “Based and Redpilled” Jobst? Uhhhhh I think so
you would think hes gods gift to earth the way you fans suck him off
It would have been super easy, too.
Agreed but sometimes idiots like the hater he has need to get made fun of
I don’t know what’s worse: the fact that the entire video boils down to him saying “waaah you foiled my plans, now I’m gonna whine about it”; or the fact that it’s so littered with memes and cartoony edits that it’s literally impossible to take anything he says seriously.
Dont forget stock photos and videos
Yes
"The trick is to turn something no one would care about into something exciting."
As someone who isn't particularly interested in speedruns, I can say you have mastered this art. Not many people can do that.
I would say there are two Karl is one, the other is Goose , I think Goise is arguably the best in a much narrower niche
@@learntooilpaint also, summoning salt, for his ability to craft a story around a game's speed run history.
Very much this.
Yeah, I liked occasionally searching and watching for glitch videos - but Karl's channel drew me in with his levelheaded commentary.
@@SmogginMog I got into Goose earlier who has a very nice storytelling style, with a good narration voice. Jobst appeared in many of those videos and I heard of him on there
My favorite part was when he attacked Pat's credibility and even cited him as Karl's "source" in quotation marks in his clip of Pat's where he takes what he said about Super Mario Bros 3 out of context, but then literally right afterwards he uses Pat as a credible source when he stated his positive opinion on WATA games compared to VGA. Apparently Pat's credibility as a source is only legitimate to him when he states something that he agrees with.
I caught that as well.
To be fair, I believe he was trying to say that Karl was cherry picking Pat's statements which make Wata look bad and ignoring those which may make them look good. This really has nothing to do with whether Pat is a credible authority/source on the matter.
Of course this claim is blatantly false and he hypocritically uses the exact same tactic he is accusing Karl of (worse actually since he is splicing clips to try and fabricate context).
That was so cringy to watch. The editing, the smugness, the lies... I don't know how Karl watched it all multiple times to make this video.
I grade his smugness 95, top notch stuff! Unbearable to watch.
Karl probably hit the nail on the head with his remark, I can't picture adults watching this guy.
Yeah his cockiness is just unbearable to listen to, like nails on a freaking chalkboard
Don't forget the music. Why do people like him always use that kind of music?
for real, like only watching a snippet of it already making me feel irritated as fuck. I can't imagine how angry I gonna feel if I have to watch the full video.
@@crazy_man7578 If you've seen 5 minutes, you've seen it all. Bad arguments all around. I couldn't even be bothered to check how many subscribers the guy has, that's how uninteresting this all is
When I heard the way he pronounced "Mario", I instantly knew he wasn't a gamer or game collector for the sake of gaming.
Same
Many British people pronounce Mario that way….and Whang (who is ironically from Brooklyn)
I’m not even a collector or a gamer and it made me cringe
@@liammcnicholas918
I have never heard a british person pronounce it like this once.
The guy's an idiot, but I don't know why there's criticism about his pronunciation of Mario; I didn't even notice that and it's just his accent saying Mario. He sounds like an American saying Mario to me. If I were to do a stereotypical American accent, I'd pronounce it Merio as well, because that's what Americans sound like. I guess some Americans might say Mahrio too. I don't know; it's just his accent.
This is a masterclass in how to respond to criticism - thank you Karl, you legend.
*absolute legend
damn. this guy got shredded to pieces
How could he take that clip of Pat, cut out the first sentence, and then try and convince us this is not absolutely deceitful on his part? That alone shows he 100% knows he is totally in on the long-con.
Guy owes Pat an apology imo
Honestly, the fact he tries to discredit Pat as a genuine collector because Pat allegedly said that wrapped games should be unwrapped because they are meant to be played says enough about what kind of a person he is.
You can't just have a fun hobby. It's all business in his head.
The irony is he is basically doing everything he is blaming Karl... specially the whole "Creating click bait videos" and he literally does the lowest common denominator video - ie. response debunk video to ride the coat tails of a much more popular video xD
This guy is a clown. Good lord. Him slamming pat like that physically hurt me.
@@RocKM001 Honestly, he probably just jealous that his channel are so niece than Karl. Lmao
I like how he used a picture of me too, and simulated that I was crying. lol
Lol I was tripping out about that
It only makes them look stupid and petty
“Priceless lady and the tramp poster worth 40,000 dollars” something seems off here
You're right. It was another faked story. I forget what happened, but it wasn't how it was reported.
The only priceless thing was that blunder.
Shrodinger's price
For me a collector is easy to identify. They go "Check out this! How cool is this?!" then ramble for the next hour about the history of the item.
What they don't do is brag about the future value of a collectible and how much they bought it for because at that point it's not the item they care about but just the value it has or could potentially have which is no different from just throwing actual money on a table and talking about how they are investing it.
A real collector only knows the value of someone else's appreciation
Kinda like NFTs. They lure you in with neat randomized images that you can "own" via some weird new techno-voodoo. That's nice. I like that part.
But then they won't shut up about the resale value and the explosive market potential and why it's a bargain to pay $300 for a link to a jpg.
Well said
Good example was when myself and my brother went to a video game store a few weeks ago and me and the guy behind the counter were able to ramble on and explain the history of Night Trap to him since he just thought the cover looked cool.
There pretty much are collectors who care about the item and investors who only care about the value of the item but somehow the investors think they are just normal collectors and that it's different from NFTs, Crypto Currency and stuff like that.
Don't get me wrong, collectors can also care about the value of something they collect but if you _only_ care about making money from it you're not a collector, you're an investor.
That collector guy has pretty much the EXACT same energy as those people that defend NFTs on the Internet. It's almost like this type of dishonesty is often practiced by the same types of people, no matter where you look.
What is "dishonest" about NFTs?
@@JT-hk9ur paying to "own" something that you have no copyright over in hopes you can "sell" it to someone for a high price is very close to being the quintessential example of a scam.
It's literally a market that involves buying and selling stuff that has no inherent value whatsoever. At least old school stocks are associated with businesses that actually do something.
People who try to get people into buying NFTs are pretty much the 2020s equivalent of pyramid scheme flingers.
@@JT-hk9ur They're a ponzi scheme
@@JT-hk9ur scam, art-theft, environmental issue, money-laundering, the list goes on
@@JT-hk9ur
Claiming they have any real value for one thing.
It's like buying a ticket to the Louvre and claiming you own the Mona Lisa. Except that ticket costs millions of euros instead of the 15 that everyone else pays. And it emits toxic gas. And instead of a one of a kind by Leonardo da Vinci, the painting was one of hundreds of nearly identical copies made by someone who never painted anything before they wanted to get rich off of it.
And that person had less artistic skill that a four year old. (Okay this part is just opinion, but the rest is basically how it works)
This man's video is a masterclass in how to announce to a community that you are not part of their community and are only associated with them in order to profit off of them.
It truly is an amazing example of how shills and con-men operate. He talks down to the same community he pretends to be part of to make them feel insecure. Anyone who fills a video with cheesy stock shots, childish sound effects and quick cuts to back up a serious narrative clearly thinks the audience is stupid. This classic manipulation, which of course is exactly what he accuses Karl of doing at the beginning. This clown would sell out his own grandmother.
Cool it with the anti-Semitic remarks
@@chaimafaghet7343 What?
@@chaimafaghet7343 Care to elaborate?
@@Squiddles_ it’s a meme/joke
Great video. I remember meeting Silvester McCoy and I asked him to sign a Doctor Who card I had of his Doctor and he was so happy when I asked him to personalise it because it meant I had no interest in selling it. We had a really good chat about the upside and downside of the collectable market.
Would this be around the time the Big Finish audios started releasing?
I really like the contrast between Karl's cool, neutral way of presenting his arguments and that collector's cynical, bad faith delivery. Even regardless of the actual arguments, the latter loses all credibility from the get-go.
small brain-big effort responses are the best ones.
There's also the contrast of Karl's professional presentation and the collector's obnoxious effects. That alone would turn me against them if I didn't know anything about this before now.
The investor guy lost me with the first wHaCkY eFfEcT wave. You just know immediately that it's style over substance, and that he has no leg to stand on. Meanwhile, Jobst keeps it professional, and has actual rebuttals.
@@ctnc6059 God, yes, his editing is *so* goddamn obnoxious.
Yes, went in with an open mind and it comes off like Saul Goodman but without the charisma.
Dude made a clown out of himself and then deleted ALL of his youtube video, great job Karl, is amusing to see someone actually using arguments and not crying cause his scam was found out.
Is that why I can't find this baldy's videos? He legit just nuked his entire channel?
@@Kermitgottagun - I came here on the comment section to just to find the name of this piece of shit and give a dislike on the video...
A Bad made video i just ignore, "they will get better, maybe...", but Scammers are imoral by definition, i will take my time to fight back, even if is just a single dislike with very little impact...
.
I would be very happy if he got nuked.
@@Kermitgottagun yep lol he supposedly deleted all of his videos
lmao now I feel good. How can people be so slimy and think they can get away with it. He really tried to make that argument sitting in front of a wall of sealed wata games.
His video wasn't even a response. This was the quality rebuttal everyone is sharing? He didn't even bother to address anything Karl said or point out where he was factually incorrect. All he did was attack Karl personally for the entire video. It's the TH-cam equivalent of a teenager saying "You mad bro?"
You hit the nail on the head. Clown is the only way to describe him.
I find it wild that this man set out with the goal of restoring the legitimacy of the names of game raters and consciously decided "I'm gonna act and edit this video like my target audience is 7 year olds."
Because his target audience is made up of crypto bros.
Yeah it's almost impressive how bad the delivery is. It's like he's gone back to 2013 TH-cam, he's so unfunny
The kind of person that thinks putting more shit in a video means better editting
@@RocketboyX ironically I heard that 7 years old is when you achieve self-awareness, so even they're racing ahead of monopoly money bros
He deleted every video on his channel
You don't have to apologize for making an honest living. Love your videos
The guy will advertise anything for money, I don't know how "honest" his living is.
As a supporter of over 2 years now, can confirm that I am an idiot not here for fair and honest reporting. I'm just here for the chocolate ad discounts 🍫
AHA!! GOTCHA!!!
If that guy ever makes a response to this video, I can imagine him taking a screenshot of this comment and using it as evidence to prove his argument against Karl 😂
@@icecreamcake5381 Fr we gonna be famous in a few months
@@icecreamcake5381 i hope he includes me in the screenshot
@@icecreamcake5381 I doubt he will. He privated his entire channel.
When he described sealed video games as an 'investible asset' it felt like I had a spider-sense that was going off. Real crypto/NFT vibes.
Con artists all have a certain cadence about them.
@@Thor-Orion except for the good ones
@@nyalan8385 there is no good ones, only more stupid people.
I could tell he would be a nft scam bro by the crazy look in his eyes.
Investable assets are a real thing. The issue with Crypto and NFT is the market is full of scammers and grifters. Jewelry, watches and things of that nature are Investable assets and are more akin to the video games in this instance. A rare physical item that more people want to own than their are copies available.
This guy gives off major scammer vibes, but not because he called it an Investable asset. That's a legitimate term.
Man really said, with his wall of collected video games behind him, opening the video with how much video game collections are getting to be worth, that Karl was the one doing it for money.
How much stock do you think he has imma more than 10 million
@@levievil9220 probably around $160-200k. No way he actually has anything that valuable in his collection, he just hopes to. He’s dirt broke, and alone
@@salineaddict9850 true but probably depends on what games he has
Speculators love speculating, both on pointless products they think they can sell to unfortunate people and on the motivations of people who call them out (which funnily enough are easy to attribute to them instead).
I mean, he’s rich enough to act like people had “nothing to spend their hard-earned dollars on” when the prices of essential goods was rising and making life for regular people hard
Regardless of the matter at hand, twisting other's statement out of context is inexcusable. People like that don't deserve trust. No one should be buying anything from that "collector".
Immediately his entire demeanor comes off as arrogant and smug. Not even going to listen to him talk. It's pretty obvious he's a clown and is mad about being exposed. Keep exposing these creeps, Karl!
He does have that smug vibe. He reminds me of a CNN host.
Yep, almost immediately I couldn't stand this guy's demeanor, plus the excessive video edits just make it look worse.
The editing of that dude's video feels almost satirical in it's over the top nature. It feels like a cartoony evil corporation's example of how to manipulate the masses. It's a very surreal experience overall. Either way, keep doing you Karl, I love every second.
exactly, it feels like a parody of itself
idk why, it gave me the vibe of an old Machinima video, or like a really shitty Nostalgia Critic skit, plus the guy kinda looks like him as well w/o the glasses
An arbitrary cutaway every other sentence.
Glad to see someone else pointing this out! 🤗 I couldn't decide if his editing skills are just objectively bad, or if he was aiming for "The Room" vibes 😜
He must think his viewers have such short attention span that he has to put music, sound and other images in every 2 seconds.
This gentleman’s argument against Karl really emphasizes the fallacies MOST arguments on the Internet end up utilizing in order to make their point. We have strawman, oversimplification among many others. Karl makes a excellent points regarding questioning sources, vested interest, and following the argumentative logic. If more consumers of content (especially those involved with TH-cam and Twitter and social media as a whole) just took ONE of the tools discussed here with them into the world, they would be more critical of the deceiving rhetoric they come across daily. Thanks Karl.
No true scotsman, some ad hominens, whatever leaving out context is called,... Its a great video for practicing spotting logical fallacies. Oh wait he was trying to argue for real? Oh man....
The amount of people in the world who lack even a cursory knowledge of argumentative logic is... depressing.
I saw a Black and White fallacy slip in there at some point as well.
I may have also seen a mix of argument from authority and no true Scotsman with the "we real collectors" section.
@@Rabbit-the-One Black and white thinking is one of those fallacies that pretty much transcends critical thinking, as it is also how ancient religions like Manichaeism found appeal in the first place.
Given how prominent philosophical dualism is to their worldview, it’s inevitable that its more relatable tenets would cross over to society as a whole, as well as the foundations of monotheistic religions as well.
A distinct form of syncretism, if you will?
Remember, Shigeru Miyamoto said that the value of their games will always be zero, because the value of their games can only be measured by the joy, happiness and feelings experienced by the player while playing the game. He hates the retro market and said that games should be played and enjoyed, not be collected, hoarded and sold without playing it.
33:40
"i had no money ... thank god my brother in law was in town for passover ... he told me to start a hedge fund"
violence
Watching his video makes me see how real the contrast is between a fake, ad hominem, straw man argument and real exposé reporting on an issue, makes me appreciate and respect Karl all the more
This is why the world is falling apart what took you so long sorry I had to say
His calm impresses me. I know it's not a live reaction, but being talked down like that would piss me off instantly.
I think that the very second that a response starts with an arrogant, mocking and ridiculing tone, belittling the other person, the credibility of the response immediately drops by at least 90%.
People who have actual legit strong counter-arguments to a serious issue do not need to resort to mockery and ridicule.
I was going to post something similar but this covers everything I would have said.
Very much this. Just reminds me of a playground bully.
Yes, I seen that at university to. If people start to mock or joke about their topic/subject, I seen professors tell em to cut it out since its makes for an unserious tone and hurts credibility.
The legitimacy of counterarguments is not affected by credibility.
If you can't make a good argument, all you can do is pound the table.
It's real easy to figure out. If the prices bottomed out tomorrow would you cheer and run out and buy the games you couldn't afford. Or would you panic sell your collection and hope to recoup some of your investment. One person is a collector, the other is a speculator.
It's real easy to figure out who's who.
Yeah this comment sums it up nicely. A real collector doesn't really care about the value beyond maybe ensuring that the things they're collecting are in good condition, which happens to be more valuable and thus pricey. They just want to own the thing.
Yeah but I think most collectors would probably be still somewhat pissed they bought overpriced games and it may negatively impact the sale of such games for legitimate traders and investors within the market but over all yes when it comes down to it Speculators will panik more when the Market crashes as their investments are reliant on a bubble which is very risky.
@@nicocchi in an odd way for some collectors that are starting out if the bubble bursts it would likely cause many games to be less than standard so they can buy mint condition games in the cheap.
Lol wait that's already happened with these crypto currency "investors" that ran for the hills and crashed their own market 😂😂
Bruh. If the gaming market crashed and a bunch of old games I used to play as a child became dirt cheap I'd buy that shit up and hold onto it dearly.
17:34 using that guys own knowledge he's not a journalist so he can't know what he's talking about.
HYPOCRITE CONFIRMED!
Love your videos dude.
Jobst : Gives out detailed video of how two companies is engaged in a massive scam
This dude : Look he is a youtuber, obviously he is lying.
LMAO
I mean, 99% of the time that logic would have worked lmao
The best part about implying Karl's a liar because he's a TH-camr is that this guy is apparently himself a TH-camr. Karl really didn't even need to make a video like this. Most of the guy's points end up getting refuted later on by himself.
The moral of this story is: Do not go after Jobst unless you have absolute irrefutable proof of him being wrong. He will systematically tear you apart. Just don't even try him.
I think it's common amongst all Aussies
Jobst would make a great lawyer.
Also, Jobst (the name) comes from Iyov, a biblical character who goes through extreme misfortune at the hands of god yet still stands,
A fitting name, for certain.
I feel like if you have actual, real proof that Karl was wrong about something, he'd thank you for correcting him.
@@HeyDonutJudge pretty sure i've already seen a video where he corrected himself and shoutouted the dude who corrected him and thanked him.
This guy isn't trying to convince those who were shocked by your original video. He is trying to soothe the people maintaining the growth of the bubble ao they don't all panic and sell off their stuff. It's the exact same thing as when crypto bros defend NFTs. They need NFTs to be perceived as successful in order to continue profiting of it.
This right here. This comment is as close to the truth as we can prob get on this dudes motives
But the only people who invest in nfts, are the ones who already own some now, so who will be the first to give up and sell and the last one remaining with worthless items?
He is painful to watch and I also get the strong impression of the crypto bros with both hit attitude and style of video.
@@thatitalianlameguy2235 That's the thing, there still is variation among them. There are the ones who got in first who are getting ready for the pump-and-dump, and there are the marks who got in later who are going to be left holding the bag when the market implodes, this twerp is trying to reassure the latter so they don't get spooked and flee before the initial speculators are ready to sell.
@@aaronlemoine3707 the way it's delivered is so malicious and villainous. Very strong bully vibes with the way he's acting. Very unnatural and instrumental. Actually reminds me a lot of christian fundamentalist "science debunking" videos, where the goal is similar: to discredit those who are promoting inconvenient truths.
I know it’s late but this was so well done man. Wish you and everyone else nothing but the best !
Karl might want to seriously consider, becoming a "Legal bod'
Don't you just love it when someone makes a "response" that's pure BS and it gets broken down into EVERY LITTLE PIECE of why it's being stupid and missed the point 😂
It's kind of funny that he questions how much Karl researched this and that during his video, but he apparently did not research Karl very much at all. All it would take is to review his older videos to realize if you put out an video about him that is not factual, he absolutely WILL respond and tear your arguments apart.
"I asked every single video game collector on the planet, and none of them have heard of Karl Jobst."
Seems legit. Guy clearly did his research.
Lol
Problem is, he asked other investors... who aren't watching speedrunning content.
Damn, must've missed his email when he asked me lol
@@Solaceon other speculators if he was a legit Investor he wouldn't care if Karl is calling out Wata and Heritage.
Guess his email went into my spam folder never got one.
I have always hated the “I’ve never heard of this person so he is discounted” argument. There is a reason the highest rated video you have put out is the one exposing these people. Keep it up legend
The argument doesn't even work 100% of the time since at least a million people have heard of Karl Jobst lol
Enter any academical school of thought and you'll find renowned PhDs whom 99.9% of people wouldn't recognize in the street. Shit, most top 40 celebs in the US wouldn't get recognized in Japan.
It's particularly amazing when it comes from a freaking nobody. If it weren't for Karl, we wouldn't even know this guy.
Plus if you think about it, more people have never heard of... Umm I already forgot his name...But anyway less people have heard of him than have heard of Karl Jobst. Plus if he really has never heard of Karl Jobst and has no idea who he is, how the hell are his explanations for Karl's motivations and whatnot supposed to be taken seriously? You can't explain the motivations of someone you don't know anything about.
I also hated that argument, but I've also started to hate the whole "they're just doing it for the views" thing being used as an excuse for a loose argument point, because first of all, we're not living in 2016 anymore where people constantly complained about clickbait, it's pretty much par for the course at this point (unless you're actually proven to have been lying from the title alone), and second, we're past the notion of youtubers simply making money in their career is bad, you have to add something else with that statement or else it'll just feel like you're using really generalized statements that ultimately don't mean anything in a debate like this anymore.
The way he cut together the clips there in the end is absolutely disgusting and you could've just shown that part and dropped the mic. Great video as always Jobst Who?? :D I've been bingewatching your stuff lately. Keep it up!
karl jobst is a savage. he starts the video with "look i'm about to destroy this dude; the beating i'm boutta give him will be more than enough so please don't join in"
Honestly yeah. If anything we should be seeing if he needs a doctor after this. It was so one sided i almost pitied him just for losing so bad to Karl but then he would speak and annoy me again.
There is a difference between a well manered, public and personal response, vs a bunch of angry fans writing hate comments with half wrong facts.
Karl just has the gift to beat his opponents bloody with words, without ever being rude or lying.
@@sagichdirdochnicht4653 well in their defense, they did give him a LOT of ammunition
Your patience is astounding. It’s clear from this guy’s entire presentation and delivery that he’s not arguing in good faith.
I love that he tried to "who?" a literal video game legend.
It's no surprise that someone who isn't part of the gaming community wouldn't know who Karl is.
Guy's editing makes me think of when I was an edgy teen and trying to make "the most awesome and dramatic vid ever" (luckily it never got done)
I don't think I've ever seen a TH-camr actually disclose how much they make on a video to make a point or defend from bad faith criticism. Good on you for having the cojones to do that.
I will say, TH-cam TOS disallows that. I'm not allowed to show exactly how much I make on anything, and Karl may have violated the TOS here.
@@AmiiboDoctor Who cares, those documents come from lawyers who are disassociated from the content creators.
well he dosent have anything to hide so why shouldent he show his revanue?
@@AmiiboDoctor Was just about to comment this. I hope he doesn't get in trouble from that!
I have
This guy has the most unlikable qualities I have seen in a while. You can see why he is trying so desperately to assassinate Karl's character. That collection behind him wouldn't be worth half as much as what him and the likes of him intend it to be. Well done, Karl, you rustled the hornets nest and we are with ya.
That dude was such a shill it almost feels prefunctory. Like the scammers hired a pliable content creator just for the sake of showing family or investors a response video, facts be damned when profit and reputation is on the line.
I honestly believe wata and heritage paid him to make the video and if they did and he didn't disclose that, well let's just say that the apple doesn't fall far from the tree.
Yeahhhh, I knew I wasn't going to like him 2 secs into the video when he started the exaggerated facial expressions and eyebrow movements. Common signs of lies and manipulation. Then almost immediately tries to take a jab at Karl for his last name? lmao, dude took the L before he even began.
You're right, it beggars belief that anyone would bother to make such a transparently dishonest video, knowing that Karl and his subscribers will be incentivised to deconstruct the lies and expose the creator as an idiot. They'd either have to be exceptionally stupid, or have a public humiliation fetish, or be a paid shill just making a hit piece for money.
(It's "per"-functory, btw, rather than "pre". It's probably just a typo but I thought I'd mention it just in case.)
Jobst has no idea how deep this goes (or does he?).
Kahn = Cohen. Kahn is just a variant of the name Cohen. Kahn is probably Steve Cohen's son or nephew. It's the Germanized form of the name Cohen. Just look it up.
This is all about billionaires trying to corner the market and gain some sort of rent-seeking/monopoly over it. They do this everywhere. Don't just follow the money, but also their genealogies.
He should have done a deeper investigation on Pawn Stars. Nobody gets on prime-time TV like that without connections anymore. The only thing that shill was correct was Pawn Stars is probably faked in some way. Yes there are real transactions taking place, but just look deeper at the people making them. In fact, the shill basically dares you to see through the charade with that weird argument he made.
Karl, I only have a passing interest in the topics you cover, but I still find your videos insightful and engaging. It's obvious to any of your regular viewers that the videos you create have value. Keep up the good work and don't let the idiots get you down.
Leave it to NFTbros to ruining people's hobbies.
anything for shekels 🤷♂️
LOL of course its people from the NFT scene. Scammers will scam.
They've been doing it for years. NFTs were just they're highest grossing scam
it’s all ai now 🙄
@@justanotheranimeprofilepic We're so early lmao
These clowns are not collectors. They are speculators and scammers. So annoying to hear them say we are "real collectors".
Driving up the prices (via collusion) so they can become rich, while the rest of us can't get the games we truly love.
but they've been collecting "over a year" lol
The best part of Karl's whole personality is that he's actually just another gamer like us. What an absolute legend.
Being "a gamer" isn't a personality, the best part of Karl's personality is his honesty.
@@invertebrado you are clearly not a gamer.
I'm a master gamer. Just look at my MS Solitaire and Hearts scores. And my mad MS Pinball skills. I used a Xbox controller to play it.
Either way Karl is a Legend
tbh he has the ability to commit to large projects and the talent to follow through which is more than can be said about most people, let alone gamers lol. it’s maybe almost a little discrediting, but either way he’s a legend
Also rich people criticising ways other people make money is rich in itself. Karl makes an honest living. These investors don’t know what the meaning of the word “honesty”.
Yeah that's really rich, i didn't even think of that
I've been a game collector for 10 years and anyone else who's been a collector for more than a year already knew there was fraud. We just needed your original video to bring it out into the light. My blood would boil every time I saw a video or article about a million dollar Mario game. My collection skyrocketed in value but honestly I would just rather be able to keep collecting video games, I had to give it up over 2 years ago.
I honestly think video games will get up there one day like comic books but for now I would just like to keep my hobby a little while longer.
Tbh collecting games is a good hobby. You're basically preserving them for the future.
Yup, we all knew that that sale was fraud. The one thing that puts a smile on my face is< i will make money on my 30 year old collection and they will lose money.
Nobody tell this guy about ROMs
I am not a collector, but even I was like "You've got to be fkn kidding me..." when I read about Mario 64 cartridge selling for a million. I mean from what I understand about collecting the price should be more or less relative to the rarity of the item. So... Where's the rarity in a Mario 64 cart (or any Mario game for that matter, Nintendo produced millions of them, they were the most best selling games for every N's respective console)? Even if you take the cart condition into account, it all doesn't add up no matter how you slice it. So my first thought was, that it was some sort of scam to artificially inflate the prices to make some huge profits for people behind this scheme. Then I watched Karl's video from a year ago, and it only confirmed my suspicions.
@@XDWASDX ROMs only preserve the core game, collectors preserve the cartridge, the tech, the manuals, the boxes, everything that phisically came with the game.
Your argument is like saying that because of street view, we can start demolishing historical buildings...
“You see here, this is small circle… and this is big circle!”
Thank you, Matto, very informative as always. Such a way with words.
And such a prodigy with Paint!
Honestly that's a brilliant way of making his point clear to stupid people
his name is Matthew actually
No one could roast and dismantle someone's entire life so elegant, calm and respectful way. This guy's whole credibility plumbed harder than the value of his entire shelf of games.
I love to see a well elaborated video and i've never been dissapointed in your videos, they're so interesting that I can't believe I just watched almost an hour of video
you know what makes me not trust someone in a "debate" like this? when one of the members of the "debate" goes and attacks the character of the other person, INSTEAD of attacking their talking points, INSTEAD of addressing valid data and evidence thats been brought forth, INSTEAD of talking about the facts, they choose to try to discredit the other person.
Not to mention all the sealed video games he has in the background. Dude has invested a lot. He collects to make money, not because he is passionate about gaming.
I use to work for an estate sales company. The one thing people always seem to forget, just because something is in good condition, rare and or old doesn’t mean it worth a lot.
Everything is worth something to someone.
That's the problem with the market, idiots buying inflated prices because their empty life literally has nothing but spare money.
I have a factory sealed copy of Carmageddon 64 that only cost me 60 bucks and last i checked it was going for about 300 odd but i didn't buy it to sell it off, i bought it because Carmageddon 64 in any form be it a factory sealed or just the cartridge itself in Australia is on of those hard to get ones, not as rare as something like say Conkers Bad Fur Day (that one even for just the cartridge is like finding a needle in a haysack and when you DO find one here in Australia you're looking at 200+ easily for JUST the cartridge alone) and it was one of the N64 games that i never got to actually own back in the day so i bought it simply to say "i now own something i missed out on back then"
Good condition, rare and or old usually does mean it's valuable though. There's collectors for just about everything.
@@garethjones4742 It doesn't though. Being rare, old, and in good nick does not equate to being valuable all that often. That usually only happens with items of high notoriety. The rare times it happens for more items, is usually when there's a bubble and speculation is running rampant.
@garethjones
Not really. As a train collector a lot of older trains that used to cost a down payment on a house are now a down payment for a car. Every year they're dropping hard in price because no one wants to collect them outside of weirdos like my who are waiting for min bids to drop so we can afford them.
I know a collector who is a boomer that spent a crazy amount of money on these trains and he doesn't understand that just because he paid 30k for them doesn't mean we will.
As boomers drop like flies their rare and valuable train collections drop in price and no longer become valuable.
Meanwhile there is an shin megami tensei art book that's been OoP for a year that is worth more than some trains that used to be 5k. My long OoP SMT CD collection is barely worth anything because of how few collectors there are for it despite having all of the preorder bonuses with them. The art book is worth more than my entire CD collection and the CD collection is much older and much more rare. Some of these had a limited run of 500 copies in the 90s
As a collector myself the actions of WATA has hurt my ability to continue trying to complete my NES collecton because people jack up the price of all games regardless of rarity. Even before your viral video came out there were plenty of us that saw that it was a bubble that was being manipulated. I appreciate your video exposing them and I'm sorry that they felt compelled to be dishonest about you and your well put together arguments against what they are continuing to do.
Agreed. The general public doesn't know the difference between "rare" and "sought after". Those two terms are used interchangeably, these days.
I'm pissed because there are so many GameCube games I want to play but they're all $100. Why
This is why I gave up collecting. I was starting up the hobby and then I saw people high-balling the price of EVERYTHING, I decided that it wasnt worth it, I rather emulate at this point.
As a casual NES cartridge collector, I agree so hard about this. Everyone with any game thinks it's worth big bucks. It's not. Loose carts have gotten stupidly expensive but it's just choaking out collectors and attracting rubes who think the value is just going up up up.
Same here. The guy in the video claims to be an authority because he's been collecting for ten years... I've been collecting casually since the 1990s, and the Heritage/WATA thing is another in a line of developments over the years that are pricing me out of certain sectors of the hobby.
I also casually collect VHS, and was very disheartened to see Heritage is beginning to get into that market as well.
I love how these guys are like 'start a hedgefund if you have a wacky idea'. Imagine living in a world where you not only have a hedgefund but that's your go to for 'wacky ideas'
I actually enjoyed that part, it was the most mundane example of what a hedge fund even is and I genuinely learned something today, it makes me hate hedge fund managers even more now.
THIS.
tell me he doesn't live in a scammer's bubble without actually telling me.
Hey, anybody with relatives coming in for the holiday who have millionaire friends willing to shell out can do it!
The man couldn't even pronounce "Mario" right, let alone "Karl Jobst"
His inability to correctly pronounce Mario instantly told me everything I needed to know.
I imagine some people who bought the overpriced games would be upset with Karl for basically saying they got scammed, because some people would rather double down than admit they got swindled.
Buyer's Remorse
Its way easier to fool someone than convince them that they've been fooled.
They've already been convinced by the fooler, and by themselves.
Also because the value of their precious games just tanked.
;_;
@@super_best_clips_xoxo and that they want to sell it at even higher prices.
I love how he said people had 'nothing to spend their hard earned dollars on' during the pandemic. 2020-21 saw at that point in time the greatest increase in prices of common goods and services ever seen, a problem only worsening now.
and people are not goann buy sealed copies,if they look for nostalgia they would buy cheaper,unsealed copies so they can play them
That's how you can tell even before the pandemic he was in a very privileged and wealthy position, so much that he barely felt the impact of the pandemic at all lol.
@@Deadflower20xx Yep. Trying to pretend to be like everyone while being so detached to the regular persons struggles.
But pandemic wouldn't last forever, and it's clear that he was going to invest in sealed games, which is total stupidity.
Plus their "hard earned" money was from unemployment
Dude cleared out his videos fast.
Keep people honest Karl and keep delivering banger videos
Wait what? Did he actually delete his video?
@@moviemaker2011z Yup, all of them
@@raziel_ashura damn! Karl strikes again!
@@moviemaker2011z Really shows the level of integrity Karl was dealing with here. If the man had a real point to make he'd have stood his ground, instead he got rightly labeled a dishonest fraud and hid in a hole like a coward.
@@WhipLash42o well, we'll see what the wayback machine has to say about that 😂
God bless Karl and his undieing never ending quest to expose all the scum of the video game world. Be it some faked speed run or market manipulation Karl is a hero. Thank you for all your hard work and great video quality. Absolute Fucking LEGEND!!