*MAD* Doctor Who LEAKS - Good or bad for season 2 and spin off?
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 ก.ย. 2024
- A raft of supposed leaks for season 2 of Doctor who and the Spin-off 'The War Between the land and the sea' have appeared on Twitter. Are they true and would they be good for the show if they are?
The Master, returning monster, Mrs Floods Family and MORE!
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I'm shocked by how many people believe this "leak" I mean as soon as I read "Russell Tovey is the Master" I immediately was like nope, I also can't see RTD killing off Mel especially since RTD decided against it in Series 14.
And RTD does have a history of coping out on Compton deaths. Both Rose. And Donna looked like they were going to die at one point or another and didn’t.
I certinally don’t believe them outright. Thought they were interesting enough to discuss though
@@CulturePhilter Oh yeah these are definitely interesting to discuss!
And yeah, I'm not a fan of killing off a legacy companion in general, I feel like unless the actor dies the character should remain alive.
I do like having a break from the Daleks and the Cybermen. I wasn't over the moon with the last series but hopefully more guest writers next series might bring more new ideas. A historical companion would be very welcome at this point. Oh no please don't kill Mel off yet I'm not ready for that.
It definitely needs more guest writers.
😂Bring back B.O.S.S.
We’ll both the Meep and Rogue have mentioned a “Boss” so …. Maybe 😄
Hmm.. I really think if companion is to go.. It will be Ruby, RTD will need Mel for a UNIT spin off if we ever get a proper one 😂. I also really don't think The Master will be returning as we did have Missy basically for 2 whole seasons and then Sacha for basically another whole season for chibnalls run.. Dunno how I feel about them coming back so soon 😂 If it is done.. It needs to be done very well even if it is in a spin off 😂
The War Between kinda is a UNIT series and Mel wasn’t announced alongside other unit personal as being in the show so maybe this is the reason… 🤷♂️
I don't believe much of this tbh at least not the big stuff like the Master and Mel, RTD said he's giving the Master a break for now so I doubt that's true, same with Mel RTD said he likes writing Mel so killing her off seems like an odd choice
Yeah those are definitely among the least likely elements. But IF they DID happen, how would you feel about them?
@@CulturePhilter I feel like the Master needs a break for awhile and I wouldn't like Mel being killed off as she's been great in this era
@@kylerees3491 yes I suppose he needs a rest more than the cybermen in a way.
After everything the human race has done so far hasn't sent the Doctor running it is going to take something pretty universe shattering now so grain of salt.
No killing Mel No No No ❌❌❌ not happy with that. I finally like her!!! I didn't like her in classic her character was just the "I will scweam and Scweam until I am sick" character she played before when I was a kid and I loathed her 😂😂
The Master is not someone I really want returning for now the character has also been very over used and just really needs a break from our screens too.
The rest just meh we already had guessed at Mrs Flood and the Grandson may actually be her Harbinger as Henry was the son of Maestro.
I tend to take most leaks with a grain of salt and generally avoid them as the only social media I do is TH-cam but everyone is covering them these days. I actually avoided the Bi Generation leak so that came as a big surprise for me 😂😂
Sounds like your feelings about Mel are similar to mine (didn’t like her in classic, liking her in new era) which is why I’m conflicted about if I like the potential plot as well.
I’m not opposed to casting for The Master. Pretty much everyone has brought something to the role I’ve liked. I’m just a bit bored of the change for every Doctor. It’s a time travel show, let’s have a rota for Simm, Gomez and Dhawan.
It was great when Simm came back for the 12th Doctor so I’d absolutely be up for more of incarnations outside their original era.
I totally buy Russell as The Master. Same red t-shirt that Simm had in the end of time under his hoodie. Same stubble. Same blonde hair. I think it's got legs and very likely. He's also a very good actor and I would assume could bring a real grounding of The Master. The idea of using him to help in the absence of The Doctor makes perfect sense. It's so Loki and Suicide Squad and even a nod back to The Sea Devils when he was a prisoner then too. Yep, I think its real.
I’d forgotten that Simm had that much more casual look in one story
I would like to see the return of the Ood although they are generally not considered “monsters” they have the ability to change with outside influence (ie the beast).
I would also like to see the Silence again. They were one of the scariest monsters of Doctor Who.
And of course the return of the SCARIEST monster of all time, the Weeping Angels would be great.
Yeah if an interesting new story could be done with Ood would be good to see them back, they’ve only really had two stories that revolve around them and then a bunch of cameos
The Silence are one of my favourite Who creatures. Big Finish have done some interesting stuff with them, I’m sure the Tv show could think of some way to use them well again as well.
The "Russell Tovey as the Master" stuff could be set - as far as the Master's timeline is concerned - after Missy but before Sacha... Without the Doctor around to point out that he's already seen how the Master develops, no one needs to know that, and this story could be "how Missy turned back to the Dark Side..."? Needlessly complicated, I think, and potentially a bit WTF?, but possible.
Possibly, but if TWBTLATS is intended to be a (relatively) standalone mini-series, tangling up the Master's back- (and fore-) story feels needlessly complicated, as you say. Unless, of course, they're building up to more stories/series featuring the Master as the protagonist, either alone or alongside UNIT.
I agree it’s possible but think that might get a bit convoluted to include it. If nothing contradicts it could be peoples head-canon for it though.
@@CulturePhilter That could work, as long as no one on-screen actually says anything! LOL
Maybe Russell Tovey is playing a character human and the master steals his body
Like when the master stole Eric roberts body in the movie and pretends to be Russells character
Even the Sacha master was kind of a stolen face.
Going back even further, it was the introduction of Anthony Ainley's Master - he stole the face of Nissa's dad! Super-dark
@@YourQueerGreatAuntie yes…. The Master really does like steeling other peoples faces doesn’t he.
Russell Tovey would be horrendously miscast as the Master. I just cannot imagine him playing a character like that.
@@CineScarborough as I said in the video, neither can I at the moment. But always willing to give people a go, he might surprise us.
Maybe Russell Tovey is playing a character human and the master steals his body
Like when the master stole Eric roberts body in the movie and pretends to be Russells character
Sasha’s Master was kind of a stolen body too. Or at least a copied body from that MI6 agent that he tissue compressed.
I'm with you on the wish to k*ll a companion!!! It's a tricky one to choose though. I feel like Mel has been redeemed with her on-screen work recently - it didn't help that she was introduced during the Trial of a TimeLord and written very one-dimensionally. Langford has really made her presence meaningful in recent stories. On the one hand, if a recurring character is going to die, there's a bigger emotional payoff if they're a popular character. On the other, you can redeem an unpopular character by giving them a big self-sacrifice send-off - Adric is still remembered more for his death than his storylines.
Yes. But I don’t know if we really have an unpopular character like Adric was to do that with at the moment. I would t personally put Ruby in that category. Would you?
I'm interested in the idea of doing something new with the Master. Using him as a *very* reluctant protagonist, not too dissimilar to Missy's rehabilitation, is bold and I like it.
The Loki comparisons wont end, though, but it gels well with RTD's dislike of that show and he might want show off lol
And he did have the writers of that show write an episode last year.
Wonder if they are back for season 2
The Doctor cutting himself off because he doesn’t want to endanger his friends etc has happened at least twice. I thought Ncuti’s Doctor was meant to be a no-angst incarnation. I hope that doesn’t happen. Also there has better not be a Doctor-lite episode!
I generally don’t mind a Doctor-lite episode but having them every year when we’ve only got 8 episodes a season does seem a bit harsh.
@@CulturePhilter If they continue having them I’d be interested to hear their justification. Previously it enabled them to make more episodes, but now we are getting fewer episodes then ever. It doesn’t make any sense to me. I think Ncuti barely featuring in a quarter of his first series was a massive scheduling mistake. I would have preferred that they had delayed the series and waited till he was fully available.
UNIT using the Master while the Doctor is absent is directly copied from the BBC Past Doctor Adventure, The Face of the Enemy by David A. McIntee.
"Meanwhile UNIT is called in when a plane missing in strange circumstances is rediscovered - contaminated with radiation and particle damage that cannot possibly have occurred on Earth.
As the mystery deepens, what little light they can shed on the matter leads the Brigadier to believe that with the Doctor away, Earth's only hope may lie with its greatest enemy... "
Oh I think I have that book. Never read it all the way through but did read bits of it as research for a video a few years ago.
@@CulturePhilter Well I give it a 10/10 and well worth you finishing it. RTD will have definitely read these when they came out. There are a number of great twists in it.
@@papalaz4444244 I’ll try and get around to it. I have 100s of Doctor Who novels I haven’t read yet. It might take getting to retirement to have to the time to get through them all.
Why does this UNIT/Avengers need the Doctor at all? They literally have magic weapons and time travel technology in 2024. In a giant skyscraper with UNIT written on it lol
I think we all know it's Avengers HQ and so the Master=Loki thing is in NO WAY impossible is it?
In the novels of the 90s, the Master was styled after mythological figure, Koshchei the Deathless. A trickster who keeps his soul hidden in objects.
They may have some tech but it doesn’t exactly match the Doctor’s
@@CulturePhilter Also we know the Master was in custody and in a UNIT prison, and he contacted the Sea Devils and promised to help them, in "The Sea Devils".
Bring back the Time Meddler
Absolutely. I’d love to see The meddling Monk return
As promising as a psuedo-Loki "Master as protagonist" story could be, it's just not the right time for it (not to mention overshadowing UNIT in their own story). Especially trying to redeem & explore a brand new Master right after introducing him, I hope it's not true.
A good point. Missy had two seasons of being established before her own arc of trying to be good.
Bring back the Zarbi!!! 🐜
Why not 😄
I guess the only problem with the Doctor being off world and UNIT having to get help from the Master is surly they would be calling in the other Doctor and Donna first?
Good point. They need to get that Doctor off world too somehow. 😄
Cybermen have been done to death!
Do you think Daleks and Master have also been done to death?
@@CulturePhilter Yes, many times.
Daleks and Cybermen would require licensing for Disney and that would cost money.
Well they require licensing all the time anyway even for BBC (at least the Daleks do, from thee Terry Nation estate. Not sure rights situation of Cybermen) but either way it just requires the production to license…. Disney don’t have to get their own license separate from the BBC
Sutekh the God was just a massive donkey who held onto the TARDIS for years for no reason and couldn't kill a handfull of people in Avengers HQ, so nothing is impossible, no matter how bad it sounds.
Well he did kills them…. The Doctor just undid it.
Well we had Adric die.....
Yes, 42 years ago! We’re due another I think.
and Katarina and Sara Kingdom.
Don't speculate until it's here. Remember Disney viewed the who episodes and suggested improvements, so they would view this too
If speculating isn’t for you that fine. I have a lot of fun speculating about what might happen in my favorite shows.
The time space Telegraph is first used in Terror of the Zygons in 1975
And last used in Power of the Doctor.
I'm way late to all this. I personally don't want to see the Master for awhile. I rather see a Dalek. Unless there's a multi Master story with all the living Masters.
I’d like to see the big three all rested for another year at least too.
The master only makes sense now if he/she is the timeless child as it cant be the doctor because the Valyard is the last doctor there for there isn't infinite doctors
The Valeyard is ambiguous at best.
I think the best way to make the “master trying to be good” thing work is if this new incarnation had actually regenerated from Missy.
And make the Dewan master directly follow the Sim version.
I never actually watched much of 13’s era so I don’t know if anything already established would contradict this. But I think it would make the most sense.
No I don’t think anything actually contradicts it.
Not the Master again... Frankly it's got to the stage where I dread returning villains because from the track record I can't trust what they'll do with them.
Incidentally, the original British version of the idiom is "a pinch of salt". Creeping Americanisation, son...
Since 2005 I think most returns of classic villians/monsters have gone well. Only exceptions being sea-devils in Legend of Sea-devils and Sutekh recently.z
@@CulturePhilter Perhaps. But there's been constant "and this, and this and this" going on. The Cybermen had a welcome return to "they are us" and body horror, rather than just clonking around. But soon enough - some people can resist the conversion, they can move rapidly, their heads have tendril thingies, they can be made of wood. Or even Timelords with carefully designed headpieces.
Daleks started well, but then we got special ones with individuality, human ones, Palitoy ones, psychologically broken ones and even rebel ones. A whole ton of them created, Adam's rib style, from Davros' own flesh - eh, what?
The Master has been by turns demented, supervillain Skeletor and possibly repentant.
Sontarans are comically played for shortness of stature rather than fearsome physical power and there's a humiliated nurse one.
Silurians and Zygons now live among us, sometimes openly. Oh and the former have deadly poisonous tongues.
And Moffat's fantastic creation of the Weeping Angels within this era has been progressively mucked about with, mostly by himself. An image of one is one. Seeing one turns you into one. They don't just steal your lived years they break your neck. They can mimic you. They can move when they don't think you can see them. They can also be made of copper or wood and some of them freelance as bounty hunters for some pseudo and equally baffling Time Lord operation.
Sorry to wax on so, but my point is that the modern tendency is to change for the sake of change and the results are at the very least questionable.
@@Pooter-it4yg you do need to do something different with them though, otherwise why bring them back at all. Sometimes it works better than others.
@@CulturePhilter Of course you can't have characters coming back and doing the same thing over and over again. But if you take the changes too far, too fast and without plausible enough explanation your reader/listener/viewer will find it really difficult following you, or frankly even wanting to. They're quite likely to just stay at anchor.
I actually think these things sound good. Bear in mind the 60th special leaks and Series 14 leaks sounded mad, and i think they mostly worked. It's so easy to sound so much 'wilder' on paper than when we see these things onscreen.
Very good point. As with anything it’s all about the execution.
In the words of Owlman "Doesn't matter, nothing matters".
That’s a grim outlook on life.
@@CulturePhilter When it comes to gutted IP's like Doctor Who there is no other outlook you can have. Let them have it I have got the lots of Classic DR Who and others favourites that I can watch and read and play that I never need to ever pay attention to the "Modern"stuff.
@@bookonlegsbookonlegs8991 if you don’t personally enjoy the current iteration of the show the having the attitude of “well I’ve still got the old stuff I do like” is a good one to have.
And maybe you’ll like the next version of the show. It tends to change every 5 years or so, or maybe you won’t. But you’ll always have the episodes you do like.
Bring back the Meddling Monk, played by Weird Al Yankovic, for a musical finale.
I’m not even joking when I say I’d actually love to see that.
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