Dispositions required for entering religious life (St. Alphonsus Ligouri)
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self esteem and pride is taught at a young age, i forget how much an error esteem is if it's not directed at Christ who opened heaven to us.
thank you.
The rich often so glad keeping other in poverty using religion, at the end they'll beg God for just a little chance to practice poverty and humility, only few are saved. Gospel is awesome!
They don't necessarily use religion so much as they attempt to utilize the goals and good brought about by religious charities. In other words, they raise taxes to quote feed the poor, etc. Yet we know that in the end very little actually goes where it was supposed to.
@@lauraingeorgia5052 correct! Government is by definition an inherently inefficient, wasteful and coercive territorial monopolist of ultimate decisionmaking and violence kept afloat by a lack of sound money ….Taxation is theft and is morally wrong and economically stupid…bring back sound money, and the globalist kleptocrats that depend on gov’t subsidies will disappear!
Did St Alphonsus write anything like this for the married state? I am currently with a woman I think I will marry and these videos nag at me a bit, although in the past my tendency towards religious life in the past has been trivial at best, I am somewhat frightened by them that I won't be saved if I don't renounce it.
Father Ripperger has a few conferences on the married life.
I'm a little confused, though, because having imperfect motivations and dispositions entering religious life is inevitable. We're all imperfect humans. The whole POINT of religious life is to BECOME perfect, not to BEGIN perfect.
Isn't it St. Thomas who basically says all that is necessary for a religious vocation is freedom from attachments (if you're married, or are solely relied upon by your parents, etc.), the basic health/ability to live the lifestyle, and the will to do so? That's it. The rest is a step-by-step process of responding to the graces God offers IN the religious life to become more and more perfect in your dispositions, inclinations, motivations, etc.
Thoughts, anyone...?
How are your passions, do you get angry easily?
How about your obedience? How is that?
How many hours a day do you pray now?
Many things to take in account.
Do you ever quit when something gets hard, can you forgive easily. Can you learn to be silent and not speak?
When I went looking into religious life, these questions came up?
I went to God in prayer and he told me I didn't have the disposition for religious life and I think I know the reason why?
God needs people out in the world who live the Christian life as a witness of Christ so those that don't follow Christ see that witness.
St. Alphonsus is clear that if you do not strive for and persevere in these dispositions he instructs in, then you will loose your vocation. So he places them before your eyes to meditate on and pray for the grace for.
These are pretty basic things that are just repetitions of what Our Lord says in the gospels. St. Alphonsus says you must be detachment from your parents. Our Lord says, "He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:37). St. Alphonsus says you must give up comforts, Our Lord says, ""And he that taketh not up his cross, and followeth me, is not worthy of me. He that findeth his life, shall lose it: and he that shall lose his life for me, shall find it." (Matthew 10:38-39).
The response to this instruction should be to manfully resolve to acquire these dispositions, so that by God's grace you can persevere in your vocation. He's not saying if you aren't like this, then you don't have a vocation. He's saying that if you have a vocation then you absolutely have to strive for these things, and of course God will give the grace to those who ask and who earnestly strive for these virtues to acquire them, and to thus persevere in their vocation.
These are things that are acts of the will. Detach from your parents. Just DO IT. Pray for the grace, resolve to do it, and do it. If you don't, and the devil tempts you through your parents, and you will be at risk of losing your vocation.
"Expect the Lord, do manfully, and let thy heart take courage, and wait thou for the Lord." ~ Psalm 26:14
~ Scott
@@robertajaycart3491 If you struggle with these things in a way you can't or won't overcome, then the community you enter will help you discern that and you can leave.
St. Thomas Aquinas says it's better to enter religious life even just to make a TRIAL of it, because trying to live the life can dispose you to ACTUALLY live the life.
Obviously, if God doesn't offer you the grace necessary to persevere (or He does and you don't cooperate), then you just leave. But the religious life is objectively the BEST place to overcome those defects. That's the whole point.
@@SensusFidelium We might be in agreement then. I guess I just find St. Alphonsus ambiguous, because it almost sounds like advising someone not to enter religious life until you obtain these dispositions, rather than entering even WITHOUT them, because the religious life is exactly where you are MOST likely to obtain them.
I get why they are necessary to persevere in the religious life, but not to ENTER the religious life.
Thanks for the reply!
@@Gangari_the_Wanderer
First I am not in religious life, but one the best ways I al learning is to pray more, so the devil doesn't tempt me, avoiding the near occasion of sins, distrust of self and limiting my activity on the Internet and out in public, these things I have learned also in Catholicism. But their is also a verse in Scripture, that says if your hand or eye causes you to sin, cut it off or gouge it out. That's what I did for about 20 years and where I learned everything their is to need to know about Catholicism, but I changed jobs and now I needed a phone for travel but at work this problem isn't as severe until secular men open their mouths and want to talk about sex.
But compared to where I was and now. So much grace covers me I don't have the temptations I uses to.
So little by little it is going away.
I WISH I KNEW THIS IN MY 20s DISCERNING THE NOVUS BENIDICTINES......NOW.......35.....I DON'T THINK ID BE A GOOD NOVICE.
Don’t say that. Just pray, pray, pray for discernment align yourself spiritually with your Sisters and maybe, make a Novena to the Holy Spirit, become a heart dweller and change history. Revelaciones Marianas, see Countdown to the kingdom, Heart dwellers. You’re in my Eternal prayer basket. Courage! Also, remember; “ God causes all things to work together for the good of those who love him and are those called according to His purpose.” Romans 8:28
You don't know if you don't try, reach out to some communities. "Come and see" as Our Lord says
This is a message I have a hard time getting on board with. Maybe I just don't understand it. Is this saying anyone who wants to do god's work is to disown their parents? Thats a lot and it seems completely counter-intuitive to the idea of Adam and Eve. That within each other do we appreciate God more. Why would then a person need to completely disown people, in which, God's beauty should appreciated even more because they gave you the blessing of life?
You misunderstand, this is for people called to religious life, also known as monastic life. As in life in a monastery. These blessed brothers or sisters withdraw from the world, because of love, to more perfectly follow God.
Entering a cloistered religious life is meant to be completely dying to oneself. Consider that suicide is the counterfeit to this. One is basically attempting enter Heaven while still on earth which requires our entire being. And the slightest attachment can be a hindrance, because it can cause one to look back and wish he did not enter.
But this does not mean that one cannot pray for his parents and loved ones every day when they come to mind. The separation is only in the earthly sense. Praying for their souls is a healthy attachment which has to do with the things of the next life. And cloisters do allow for relatives to visit once or twice a year.
It is a difficult teaching. But that is why living in a cloister is not for everyone, but something that should be discerned.
@@keithmayhewhammond5357 Thank you so much. I just started learning and I find it all fascinating. I still have to read more to fully understand it. I remember the video on St. Bruno and the Carthusians. I believe I remember hearing that they get some time off every year to visit family, the tone throws me off. I'm not Catholic, though I'm learning to convert. This channel and listening to the Venerable Fulton Sheen have been great so far.
Thanks.
"He that loveth father or mother more than me, is not worthy of me; and he that loveth son or daughter more than me, is not worthy of me." (Matthew 10:37)
Often, though not always, parents are a distraction and source of temptation to children to not follow their vocations. They do not want to lose their children, or want to impose their own will (which is not God's will) onto them, and so they selfishly try to prevent their vocation. You can see this in countless lives of Saints - parents who try to arrange marriages for their children and the children act heroically to flee the world and give themselves totally to Christ. See the life of St. Clare, foundress of the Poor Clare's, for an example.
@@SensusFidelium Thank you very much for the explanation. St. Clare of Assisi is definitely a great example to illustrate this. I need to rethink what I understand poor to be. The vow of poverty is an important one, but I probably still see it as plainly living a simple life outside of secular wants and concerns. Poverty makes sense though as it brings one closer to how the Lord lived. Makes a lot of sense in that context.
Experience joy with God for eternity, here’s how:
There is one God who is eternally manifesting himself in three persons, God the Father, God the Son and God the Holy Spirit.
The Bible says, that we are all sinners.
As it is written: There is none righteous, no not one. Romans 3:10
For all have sinned and fall short of the glory of God. Romans 3:23
But we are all as an unclean thing, and all our righteousnesses are as filthy rags Isaiah 64:6
For the wages of sin is death. Romans 6:23
(The word “death” in this verse speaks of spiritual death in hell.)
Come now, and let us reason together, saith the Lord: though your sins be as scarlet, they shall be as white as snow. Isaiah 1:18
Christ died for our sins according to the Scriptures and that He was buried,and that He rose again the third day according to the Scriptures 1Cor 15 3:8
In whom we have redemption through His blood, even the forgiveness of sins. Colossians 1:14
For by grace ye are saved; through faith and not of yourselves. It is the gift of God, not of works, lest any man should boast.
I do not frustrate the grace of God: for if righteousness come by the law, then Christ is dead in vein Galatians 2:21
If you would like to receive Jesus as your Savior.
Realize that you are a hopeless sinner and trust in Jesus and only Jesus to save you.
You can say a prayer expressing your gratitude, sorrow for your sins, etc. the words don’t matter, but remember your prayer doesn’t save you. Your trust in Jesus and what He did for you on the cross is what saves you.
The moment you trust in Jesus and only Jesus, you are saved.