Want to get started using WikiTree? Don't miss How to Use WikiTree from Connie! th-cam.com/video/eqUlQ0dxsgk/w-d-xo.html Keep climbing your family tree! -Diana, Genealogy TV Team
Another great video. Thank you, Connie! One neat thing about the fan chart is that it's an independent app, made by a community member named Greg Clarke. Almost everything on WikiTree is done by volunteers. But Greg is an extraordinary one.
I have a couple of these instances. A pair of siblings married a pair of siblings in one line and then the same ancestor on my maternal and paternal side. The branches get tangled lol. This is great guidance.
Brilliant! I have so much pedigree collapse in my maternal branch, AND a cross-over between my maternal and paternal side. My tree is a twisted bramble thicket- LOL! Thanks so much for this, Connie. As usual, I always learn a bunch from your videos. The detailed handouts are so worth it, too. Debbie J in Phx
That is a great tool - thank you! Like you, I have stumbled across these common couples, what I call “Double Root Ancestors” more than once, in my tree! Small farming communities did not leave much chance for it not happening.
Connie remember when I was telling you that occasionally I would keep repeating ancestors instead of merge them all into one ancestor because I was unaware I had already made a profile for them? This was very helpful
I'm in awe of the brilliance of your mind. Ive been trying to find link between my poor Liverpool ggrandfather Hayes (brick wall at 1800) and his wife's elite Hayes line (name daughtered out 1600) that I traced back through London/ de la Haye du puits Normandy/Orkney/Demark. And a stand alone Hayes line in London/Liverpool/Everton 1600s. Have discovered so much history but your wonderful tips alone expand my focus so when I venture back in I'll have hope 🙂 Thanks again.
I have a lot of ancestor pairs who I am a descendant through several of their offspring. This is especially true in the smaller villages where they lived. Also, there were less people in any given area hundreds of years ago than there are today...You have hundreds of thousands of ancestors if you go back over 10 generations, so by numbers alone, you are more likely to have duplicate ancestors through different lines than not.
Ooooaaah. I'm a WikiTree member and recently produced a similar chart using different software. It highlighted the collapsing pedigree in a different colour - but only one different colour. This one is *much* better as it uses different colours for each duplicating ancestor, so it's easy to identify where any one person appears more than once. I have three sets of cousins marrying so my fan chart is rather colourful. :-)
Thanks, Connie. I haven't found any repeats yet, but I also have a lot of missing people on my WikiTree tree. I'm working on that. Thanks for the handout. Have a blessed day. :)
Since I last commented on this video, I have found a 5th great-grandmother who occupies two spaces in my tree. She was married 4 times, and two of those times were to two different 5th great-grandfathers on my paternal grandma's side. She is my 5th great-grandma through her first husband(Hughes) and my step-5th great-grandma through her 3rd husband(Duke, who is a 5th great-grandpa with his first wife). She appears to have only had children with husbands 1 & 2. While this doesn't lead to pedigree collapse for me, it sure does make me cross-eyed trying to look at it on the tree.
Thanks Connie for the great video - always love your videos, and am so glad you liked my Fan Chart app enough to feature it today! I struggled with what to call the feature / how do you name these ancestors that show up more than once - I settled on calling them Repeating Ancestors, since they repeat in your chart. Like you, using the word Duplicate just sounded wrong (like we were cloning them!). Glad you like the Pastel choice for palette - thanks for showing off that feature too. I first added the Colourize Repeats feature when I delved into my mother's French-Canadian family - once past the sixth generation it's a rainbow effect - and by the 9th generation, more like a Grizwald Christmas lights display! Keep up the great work Connie!
I have one particular ancestor that has 6 known relationships to me. One being a great (not sure how many greats without looking) uncle. I wanna say 6th or 7th great. But then he's also a cousin of varying degrees because in their small town 4 or 5 families regularly seemed to intermarry. If you have family tree maker, you can download your ancestry tree and it lists every relationship of every single individual.
I like this tip and will use it to visualize better. I have found cousins and second cousins married before but I also, since my ancestors all go back to the early 1600s in both sides of my family I have a couple of lines leading back to 8th grandparents and even 10th grandparents and family search will not let me look at both relationship lines
I have some Grand parents . Each lost their first spouse and then married each other. I tried to explain that to my cousin who smiled and said, " So what your saying it that our family tree does not part", LOL.
Love love this, I know that family search also offers a fan chart, do you know if they also offer the option to show repeats? Edit: I just checked, they don't :( (I also tried the Fan Chart maker in MH but that also doesn't have that option), I will go now and try in my wikitree thank you so very much once again
A set of great grandparents were 1st cousins, once removed. That means that a set of his great grandparents and of her grandparents were the same people. Makes the tree kind of awkward, but then again, only half the research needed! On another line, I have found some Branson DNA matches with as many as FIVE connections to my own Branson people!
My G Grandparents were 1st cousins. Their fathers were brothers. I connenected them and their spouses to have the same exact reference numbers on family tree but the tree would not bottleneck. It just spit them to be on both sides.
I have great grandparents who were first cousins. Each of them had siblings who also married first cousins from the same set of grandparents. The really wild thing is some of the kids of the couples (who were double 1st cousins and double 2nd cousins!) also married and kids! I’m so glad I’m not from that lineage. Just the first cousin great grandparents is confusing enough!😂
There are a few instances of endogamy in my family tree which has made DNA clustering incredibly difficult. The only saving grace is that the brick wall I've been chipping away at seems to be the only branch that is not in some way endogamous. For that person (a great, great grandfather) I've been able to find siblings using tools like dnapainter but the parents have continued to elude me.
My father's 1st cousin married a cousin 3 times over. Their sons have 1 set of ancestors in their tree 3 times, and 2 other sets twice. My mother has 9 couples in her tree twice. My father has 4 couples in his family twice. It makes DNA tracing complicated.
Oh my gosh... I would think the DNA tracing would be nearly impossible if you were using DNA alone. This is why we use traditional research in combo with DNA.
I like this video. I don't have 2 sets of individuals. I do have aunt, oldest, my mother , youngest 21 years difference. My aunt has a daughter same age as my mother. My mother married brother to my aunt's daughter husband. So her children are related to me on both sides. How would you chart it. Because her daughter is my 1st cousin plus my aunt on my father's side
My great grandparents were first cousins and his parents were first cousins. They weren't even from my Mennonite line. In the Mennonite line, I have duplicate names that aren't closely related. Both my great grandmother and her mother in law were named Elizabeth Friesen.
For Catholics, if you have access to church marriage records, it's quite easy to find levels of consanguinity, because since at least the Council of Trent (late 16th century) the engaged must ask for special permission to marry if they have a certain level of "blood relation" already. In the weeks prior to the intended marriage, the priest(s) would announce such intention, and anyone who knew the engaged had some "close" blood relation could bring that forward. Then a church official would evaluate that and, if deemed acceptable, would issue a dispensation that would be included in the marriage record. The levels of consanguinity, as considered by the Catholic Church, are as follows: - 1st level: Siblings (at least one common parent) - not acceptable for marriage, of course. - 2nd level: 1st cousins (at least a common grandparent) - acceptable but highly discouraged - 3rd level: 2nd cousins (at least a common great-grandparent) - 4th level: 3rd cousins (at least a common great-great-grandparent) - 5th level: 4th cousins (at least a common great-great-great-grandparent) - this level of consanguinity is usually not referred in marriage records because it is considered safe and requires no dispensation. So, the level of consanguinity, as considered by the Catholic Church, is basically G+1. I have two 6th great-grandparents who were forced to *marry twice* because they were 3rd cousins. The priest didn't know they were 3rd cousins, so they married on the 25th of January 1748. But then the blood relation was discovered, and because they had not asked for the required dispensation, the marriage was annulled. So they went and asked (and paid...) for such "apostolic dispensation", got it, and married again on the 22nd of July of 1748. Although I know they were 3rd cousins, I don't know how. For the groom, I was able to go back two more generations (his grandparents), and for the bride, only to her parents. I needed to go back 4 generations (to my 10th great-grandparents...) to be able to find the repeated ancestors... :(
I have found this in my ancestry tree and had to ask my maternal who is doing my grandparents dna and ask her if i was doing this correctly and she hadnt made that connection but my first cousin removed who also in family history found it
Fabulous stuff! By the way, I tried uploading my current gedcom file to WikiTree just now but it says the file is too large (about 18M) - I'm certainly not going to double my work by adding to WikiTree manually, but it makes me sad that I can't replace my old original tree with the newer and much better one 😢
Ok, you have sent me down a rabbit hole where I have always struggled in understanding but did not really want to go......as I always seemed to have the wrong spouse selected in FTM. Now I can see it......I think???? John Hough (1697) + Hanna Denison (1699) had John Hough (1723) + Abigail Baldwin (1732) The we have Thomas Baldwin (1701) + Anna Bingham (?) had Abigail Baldwin (1732) Ok now we have John Hough (1697) + Anna Bingham (?) no children So Anna Bingham (?) is both my 7th great grandmother as well as my 7th great step grandmother? In Family Tree Maker by switching spouses, the tree view makes sense. But in Ancestry there are lines going all over as it seems to try to link children to step parents???? ugh and double ugh And the other crazy one is two brother married two sisters----one brother died and one sister died...so it seems I have a brother in law marrying a sister in law and they also had children in the late 1600's What is the matter with these people? Did they do this just to mess up my tree? I know the above is not a proper pedigree listing. So the question is--I don't believe in Ancestry as FTM and Ancestry are synchronized, that the tree chart in Ancestry can be made have less lines as it seems to be including step parents and children. I am hoping somewhat of what I wrote make sense? I got a bit behind on your videos, but he last one on mistakes is so valuable. I started doing this in 1973 and went down several wrong lines as I just took for granted the trees of others. Searching microfilm at a Morman Church was a bit of a challenge. I am trying to start again and you are a blessing.
Pedigree Collapse. Search this channel for a great video on the contrasts between the two situations. There is also a good write up, tied to that video, if you search the web.
Good question. It is Pedigree Collapse... in my case. Here is the episode that @Mistydazzle was referring about the differences between Pedigree Collapse and Endogamy. th-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/w-d-xo.html
I want to let you know that I learn so much from your videos. I have come across a DNA match that is listed as my 2nd cousin. On Ancestry, he is listed as sharing 420 cM/6% shared DNA and on 23 & me, he is listed at 450 cm/6% shared DNA. Also on 23 & me, the indicated lineage shows one of his parents as my 1st cousin and one of their parents as my mother's sibling. The big issue is that he was adopted and does not know who his birth parents were and my grandparents only had 6 kids, none who had any kids before 1960. (He was born in 1966) I would greatly appreciate any advice or incites on how or what to do next.
somebody probably went away to have a baby and the family was not told because the child was adopted out. If no one is telling and they, their siblings, and their known children have not taken DNA tests, there is no way for you to know.
Fun isn't it? 😆 I still struggle with what to call Maud. My maternal great great aunt? Or my paternal great great step-grandmother who wanted to raise my grandma but her sister won. Sticking with her birth placement she is my great great aunt who happened to marry into my other side.
I knew that I had 1st cousins marrying and having children, which gives me duplicates. I created a fan chart. I clicked to change to the pastel color. My duplicates are in a color so dark I cannot read the names. Help please. Vicki
Go to your tree name in the top menu, drop down to Family Tree & Tools, scroll down to fan chart, in the top menu click Palette, experiment with different colors, you can turn off the pastel there. Under Fan settings you can turn off the Colorize Repeats.
lol, I got confused doing mine. My 4x great grandfather had 3 wives and fathered a lot of children over 40+ years. A grandchild of the first wife married a child of the 3rd wife.
My paternal grand-aunt and my maternal grand-uncle married siblings. My uncle and his first cousin once-removed married two cousins. There are also two brothers that married sisters. It gets confusing. 🤕
@@GenealogyTV I have to step back once in a while to get a fresh perspective. I can imagine the DNA problems with the scenarios you pointed out. I love your channel and information. Thanks for all you do. I don't get on or research as much as I would like to these days.
That happens a lot among the Amish as well as in Appalachia. Remote communities where you only have a small pool of people of the opposite sex to draw from, you very easily find yourself a double cousin or married to a cousin without knowing it! If you have a Quaker background as I do, you'll find an ancestor married to a cousin, as well. Because I guess its better to marry a cousin whose in the same faith than to marry an "infidel"?
This video is confusing. If you typed the names of your ancestors into your family tree on WikiTree, you must have known before that you were descended from the same couple twice. It wouldn't tell you something you didn't know before. I thought this video was to explain how you could find out if you are descended from the same people more than once. And if they are not duplicate ancestors, what are duplicate ancestors? What's the difference?
The problem in my family is they repeat names like George Washington Turner and Patrick Henry Turner and Otis Lloyd Turner and seem to be into Jesuit Freemasonry and fighting over inheritance and among different religions.
In my case it is called Pedigree Collapse. Endogamy is similar, but when there is a lot of it. Here is an episode that explains it. th-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/w-d-xo.html
Want to get started using WikiTree? Don't miss How to Use WikiTree from Connie!
th-cam.com/video/eqUlQ0dxsgk/w-d-xo.html
Keep climbing your family tree!
-Diana, Genealogy TV Team
Another great video. Thank you, Connie! One neat thing about the fan chart is that it's an independent app, made by a community member named Greg Clarke. Almost everything on WikiTree is done by volunteers. But Greg is an extraordinary one.
I have a couple of these instances. A pair of siblings married a pair of siblings in one line and then the same ancestor on my maternal and paternal side. The branches get tangled lol. This is great guidance.
Tangled... almost like the helix of DNA. :)
Brilliant! I have so much pedigree collapse in my maternal branch, AND a cross-over between my maternal and paternal side. My tree is a twisted bramble thicket- LOL! Thanks so much for this, Connie. As usual, I always learn a bunch from your videos. The detailed handouts are so worth it, too. Debbie J in Phx
Thanks Debbie in Phx. My tree is a twisted bramble thicket... too funny.
That is a great tool - thank you! Like you, I have stumbled across these common couples, what I call “Double Root Ancestors” more than once, in my tree! Small farming communities did not leave much chance for it not happening.
Very cool!
Fantastic! Love that fan chart! I can't wait to see my French Canadian family using this!
Fingers crossed!
Connie remember when I was telling you that occasionally I would keep repeating ancestors instead of merge them all into one ancestor because I was unaware I had already made a profile for them? This was very helpful
Thank you for explaining this so clearly. Your videos are so helpful!
Thanks Sheryl. Thanks for your continued support of the channel.
I'm in awe of the brilliance of your mind. Ive been trying to find link between my poor Liverpool ggrandfather Hayes (brick wall at 1800) and his wife's elite Hayes line (name daughtered out 1600) that I traced back through London/ de la Haye du puits Normandy/Orkney/Demark. And a stand alone Hayes line in London/Liverpool/Everton 1600s. Have discovered so much history but your wonderful tips alone expand my focus so when I venture back in I'll have hope 🙂 Thanks again.
My pleasure. Thanks for the vote of confidence. :)
I have a lot of ancestor pairs who I am a descendant through several of their offspring. This is especially true in the smaller villages where they lived. Also, there were less people in any given area hundreds of years ago than there are today...You have hundreds of thousands of ancestors if you go back over 10 generations, so by numbers alone, you are more likely to have duplicate ancestors through different lines than not.
Ooooaaah. I'm a WikiTree member and recently produced a similar chart using different software. It highlighted the collapsing pedigree in a different colour - but only one different colour. This one is *much* better as it uses different colours for each duplicating ancestor, so it's easy to identify where any one person appears more than once. I have three sets of cousins marrying so my fan chart is rather colourful. :-)
That was a great tip, I didn't see that feature, thank you Connie Knox!✍️
Glad it was helpful! Thanks Maria for your support of the channel.
Thanks, Connie. I haven't found any repeats yet, but I also have a lot of missing people on my WikiTree tree. I'm working on that. Thanks for the handout. Have a blessed day. :)
Thanks Susanne. And thank you for your membership.
@@GenealogyTV You're welcome, Connie. Have a blessed day. :)
Since I last commented on this video, I have found a 5th great-grandmother who occupies two spaces in my tree. She was married 4 times, and two of those times were to two different 5th great-grandfathers on my paternal grandma's side. She is my 5th great-grandma through her first husband(Hughes) and my step-5th great-grandma through her 3rd husband(Duke, who is a 5th great-grandpa with his first wife). She appears to have only had children with husbands 1 & 2. While this doesn't lead to pedigree collapse for me, it sure does make me cross-eyed trying to look at it on the tree.
Thanks Connie for the great video - always love your videos, and am so glad you liked my Fan Chart app enough to feature it today! I struggled with what to call the feature / how do you name these ancestors that show up more than once - I settled on calling them Repeating Ancestors, since they repeat in your chart. Like you, using the word Duplicate just sounded wrong (like we were cloning them!). Glad you like the Pastel choice for palette - thanks for showing off that feature too. I first added the Colourize Repeats feature when I delved into my mother's French-Canadian family - once past the sixth generation it's a rainbow effect - and by the 9th generation, more like a Grizwald Christmas lights display! Keep up the great work Connie!
Thank you Greg for your app.
I have one particular ancestor that has 6 known relationships to me. One being a great (not sure how many greats without looking) uncle. I wanna say 6th or 7th great. But then he's also a cousin of varying degrees because in their small town 4 or 5 families regularly seemed to intermarry.
If you have family tree maker, you can download your ancestry tree and it lists every relationship of every single individual.
Good to know!
Great info! I have never used WikiTree. I will get over there soon!
It’s another free tool for your toolbox.
Time to add to my Wikitree, as my greatgrands were either first cousins once removed, or second, or…I dunno! Thanks, Connie!!
You are so welcome!
Thank you! So much good information!
Awesome. I’m going to open a Wikitree account soon.
You should!
I like this tip and will use it to visualize better. I have found cousins and second cousins married before but I also, since my ancestors all go back to the early 1600s in both sides of my family I have a couple of lines leading back to 8th grandparents and even 10th grandparents and family search will not let me look at both relationship lines
Best of luck! WikiTree is another great tool to have in our toolbox.
Thank you so much for all your helpful information I am subscribing :-) Have a great weekend :-)
Thank you! You too!
Cool! I'm related to James IV on both sides of my fam. My husband is too on his Mothers side.
Oh wow!
Definitely had this experience
I hear you.
I have some Grand parents . Each lost their first spouse and then married each other. I tried to explain that to my cousin who smiled and said, " So what your saying it that our family tree does not part", LOL.
😂
Love love this, I know that family search also offers a fan chart, do you know if they also offer the option to show repeats?
Edit: I just checked, they don't :( (I also tried the Fan Chart maker in MH but that also doesn't have that option), I will go now and try in my wikitree thank you so very much once again
Not that I know of. I had checked around too.
A set of great grandparents were 1st cousins, once removed. That means that a set of his great grandparents and of her grandparents were the same people. Makes the tree kind of awkward, but then again, only half the research needed! On another line, I have found some Branson DNA matches with as many as FIVE connections to my own Branson people!
My G Grandparents were 1st cousins. Their fathers were brothers. I connenected them and their spouses to have the same exact reference numbers on family tree but the tree would not bottleneck. It just spit them to be on both sides.
I have great grandparents who were first cousins. Each of them had siblings who also married first cousins from the same set of grandparents. The really wild thing is some of the kids of the couples (who were double 1st cousins and double 2nd cousins!) also married and kids! I’m so glad I’m not from that lineage. Just the first cousin great grandparents is confusing enough!😂
😀 That's confusing to read. I can just imagine what it's like doing the research. LOL
I'm surprised people haven't got two heads being descended from those people. Thank goodness I am a real mongrel, mixed breed.
LOVE WIKITREE
There are a few instances of endogamy in my family tree which has made DNA clustering incredibly difficult. The only saving grace is that the brick wall I've been chipping away at seems to be the only branch that is not in some way endogamous. For that person (a great, great grandfather) I've been able to find siblings using tools like dnapainter but the parents have continued to elude me.
Keep digging in the original records. If there is a lot of endogamy, DNA is harder to use.
@@GenealogyTV In times of deeper frustration, I start calling it the "family wreath". :D
My father's 1st cousin married a cousin 3 times over. Their sons have 1 set of ancestors in their tree 3 times, and 2 other sets twice. My mother has 9 couples in her tree twice. My father has 4 couples in his family twice. It makes DNA tracing complicated.
Oh my gosh... I would think the DNA tracing would be nearly impossible if you were using DNA alone. This is why we use traditional research in combo with DNA.
I like this video. I don't have 2 sets of individuals. I do have aunt, oldest, my mother , youngest 21 years difference. My aunt has a daughter same age as my mother. My mother married brother to my aunt's daughter husband. So her children are related to me on both sides. How would you chart it. Because her daughter is my 1st cousin plus my aunt on my father's side
Just list the children to parents... and married couples without duplicating the ancestors... and let the software chart it for you.
I use Geni and the Curators usually stop a branch...
In Swedish we call that Anförlust. There are not a direkt translation but maybe ancester loss or something like that.
My great grandparents were first cousins and his parents were first cousins. They weren't even from my Mennonite line. In the Mennonite line, I have duplicate names that aren't closely related. Both my great grandmother and her mother in law were named Elizabeth Friesen.
For Catholics, if you have access to church marriage records, it's quite easy to find levels of consanguinity, because since at least the Council of Trent (late 16th century) the engaged must ask for special permission to marry if they have a certain level of "blood relation" already. In the weeks prior to the intended marriage, the priest(s) would announce such intention, and anyone who knew the engaged had some "close" blood relation could bring that forward. Then a church official would evaluate that and, if deemed acceptable, would issue a dispensation that would be included in the marriage record.
The levels of consanguinity, as considered by the Catholic Church, are as follows:
- 1st level: Siblings (at least one common parent) - not acceptable for marriage, of course.
- 2nd level: 1st cousins (at least a common grandparent) - acceptable but highly discouraged
- 3rd level: 2nd cousins (at least a common great-grandparent)
- 4th level: 3rd cousins (at least a common great-great-grandparent)
- 5th level: 4th cousins (at least a common great-great-great-grandparent) - this level of consanguinity is usually not referred in marriage records because it is considered safe and requires no dispensation.
So, the level of consanguinity, as considered by the Catholic Church, is basically G+1.
I have two 6th great-grandparents who were forced to *marry twice* because they were 3rd cousins. The priest didn't know they were 3rd cousins, so they married on the 25th of January 1748. But then the blood relation was discovered, and because they had not asked for the required dispensation, the marriage was annulled. So they went and asked (and paid...) for such "apostolic dispensation", got it, and married again on the 22nd of July of 1748.
Although I know they were 3rd cousins, I don't know how. For the groom, I was able to go back two more generations (his grandparents), and for the bride, only to her parents. I needed to go back 4 generations (to my 10th great-grandparents...) to be able to find the repeated ancestors... :(
You streamlined the G rule here. I remember you explaining it as "count the grands" now we just count the Gs.
Always count the G's including the Greats and Grand.
I have found this in my ancestry tree and had to ask my maternal who is doing my grandparents dna and ask her if i was doing this correctly and she hadnt made that connection but my first cousin removed who also in family history found it
Cool. Enjoy the journey.
I have 4 lines leading to a common ancestor. Small community in Smokey Mountains of North Carolina.
I've seen the name in records before.
This happened to me once. One person married two people, and each had one child, and both children are my ancestors.
How did you zoom in? I can't find a button to do that.
Fabulous stuff! By the way, I tried uploading my current gedcom file to WikiTree just now but it says the file is too large (about 18M) - I'm certainly not going to double my work by adding to WikiTree manually, but it makes me sad that I can't replace my old original tree with the newer and much better one 😢
I noticed by trying to work out how other peoples trees matched mine after their dna was flagged as a match.
Sounds like you're figuring it out.
Ok, you have sent me down a rabbit hole where I have always struggled in understanding but did not really want to go......as I always seemed to have the wrong spouse selected in FTM. Now I can see it......I think????
John Hough (1697) + Hanna Denison (1699) had John Hough (1723) + Abigail Baldwin (1732)
The we have Thomas Baldwin (1701) + Anna Bingham (?) had Abigail Baldwin (1732)
Ok now we have John Hough (1697) + Anna Bingham (?) no children
So Anna Bingham (?) is both my 7th great grandmother as well as my 7th great step grandmother?
In Family Tree Maker by switching spouses, the tree view makes sense. But in Ancestry there are lines going all over as it seems to try to link children to step parents???? ugh and double ugh
And the other crazy one is two brother married two sisters----one brother died and one sister died...so it seems I have a brother in law marrying a sister in law and they also had children in the late 1600's What is the matter with these people? Did they do this just to mess up my tree?
I know the above is not a proper pedigree listing. So the question is--I don't believe in Ancestry as FTM and Ancestry are synchronized, that the tree chart in Ancestry can be made have less lines as it seems to be including step parents and children. I am hoping somewhat of what I wrote make sense?
I got a bit behind on your videos, but he last one on mistakes is so valuable. I started doing this in 1973 and went down several wrong lines as I just took for granted the trees of others. Searching microfilm at a Morman Church was a bit of a challenge. I am trying to start again and you are a blessing.
I have this occurring in my line and then my husband has some of the same ancestors. That makes us cousins, too.
My ancestor’s came during the “Great Migration” including On the Mayflower. So this Is a real problem for me! 🙄 😂 I’m actually Afraid to do this! 😝 😂
Well knowledge is power. Very cool what you have found so far.
Question is this considered Endogamy and pedigree collapse?
Pedigree Collapse. Search this channel for a great video on the contrasts between the two situations. There is also a good write up, tied to that video, if you search the web.
Good question. It is Pedigree Collapse... in my case. Here is the episode that @Mistydazzle was referring about the differences between Pedigree Collapse and Endogamy. th-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/w-d-xo.html
I want to let you know that I learn so much from your videos. I have come across a DNA match that is listed as my 2nd cousin. On Ancestry, he is listed as sharing 420 cM/6% shared DNA and on 23 & me, he is listed at 450 cm/6% shared DNA. Also on 23 & me, the indicated lineage shows one of his parents as my 1st cousin and one of their parents as my mother's sibling. The big issue is that he was adopted and does not know who his birth parents were and my grandparents only had 6 kids, none who had any kids before 1960. (He was born in 1966) I would greatly appreciate any advice or incites on how or what to do next.
somebody probably went away to have a baby and the family was not told because the child was adopted out. If no one is telling and they, their siblings, and their known children have not taken DNA tests, there is no way for you to know.
Those are so tiny especially on my phone, but why aren't any 'boxes' empty?
Hey Connie- We're 18th cousins! through Edith (Unknown) Boys 1430
We are? What line?
@@GenealogyTV I'm Nemechek-13, Through your Henley--> Joel Davis and Suttons. Debbie
Fun isn't it? 😆 I still struggle with what to call Maud. My maternal great great aunt? Or my paternal great great step-grandmother who wanted to raise my grandma but her sister won. Sticking with her birth placement she is my great great aunt who happened to marry into my other side.
Interesting. Perhaps just Aunt Maud.
I have it in two branches like you would not believe. I hit Charlemagne 75-100 times already.
My nan and pop are cousins, and my two great grandmother's are sisters.
My daughter’s fathers ancestors have two branches that intersect.
I knew that I had 1st cousins marrying and having children, which gives me duplicates. I created a fan chart. I clicked to change to the pastel color. My duplicates are in a color so dark I cannot read the names. Help please. Vicki
Go to your tree name in the top menu, drop down to Family Tree & Tools, scroll down to fan chart, in the top menu click Palette, experiment with different colors, you can turn off the pastel there. Under Fan settings you can turn off the Colorize Repeats.
can you find our great great grand parents? I m from the Phiippines.
I am not an expert at Philippine research.
lol, I got confused doing mine. My 4x great grandfather had 3 wives and fathered a lot of children over 40+ years. A grandchild of the first wife married a child of the 3rd wife.
My paternal grand-aunt and my maternal grand-uncle married siblings. My uncle and his first cousin once-removed married two cousins. There are also two brothers that married sisters. It gets confusing. 🤕
I hear you. This can make DNA work harder too.
@@GenealogyTV I have to step back once in a while to get a fresh perspective. I can imagine the DNA problems with the scenarios you pointed out. I love your channel and information. Thanks for all you do. I don't get on or research as much as I would like to these days.
I do genealogy too and yes everybody is everyone else's cousin.
That happens a lot among the Amish as well as in Appalachia. Remote communities where you only have a small pool of people of the opposite sex to draw from, you very easily find yourself a double cousin or married to a cousin without knowing it! If you have a Quaker background as I do, you'll find an ancestor married to a cousin, as well. Because I guess its better to marry a cousin whose in the same faith than to marry an "infidel"?
Yeah, I think this happens in a lot of religions.
My Dad and Mam have 5 couples of same ancestors born before French Revolution...
This video is confusing. If you typed the names of your ancestors into your family tree on WikiTree, you must have known before that you were descended from the same couple twice. It wouldn't tell you something you didn't know before. I thought this video was to explain how you could find out if you are descended from the same people more than once.
And if they are not duplicate ancestors, what are duplicate ancestors? What's the difference?
The problem in my family is they repeat names like George Washington Turner and Patrick Henry Turner and Otis Lloyd Turner and seem to be into Jesuit Freemasonry and fighting over inheritance and among different religions.
You mean there are other families with more of a stick than a tree?
Funny... yes.
Sounds like a area of NC. They had 3 white families and 10 Africa and they all look a like. No matter what colour.
My brother married my hubby's sister... all our kids trees will overlap at some point
Yes... they will.
Yeah, mayflowerish time frame... i go back to tadie cooper and stephen batchelder at least 3 times each, lol
Repeating ancestors
You check out who you're dating if the same groups of people have lived in the same area for an extended period of time.
My one pair of grandparents are 3rd cousins.
Good work!
Endogamy is the word this is called. I have lots of it!
In my case it is called Pedigree Collapse. Endogamy is similar, but when there is a lot of it. Here is an episode that explains it. th-cam.com/video/Ilgl5707iP4/w-d-xo.html
The French king had to sent women to Canada cause of to much cousin marriages ,
Interesting
MyHeritage is much easier to get a fan chart
Does it show the repeating ancestors?