Lucid agrees, this ruling is way too harsh - why was Royal2 only banned from one event for cheating? Consequences don't seem to have been meetered out equally
Definitely feel like this punishment is way to harsh, but if you really want to compare this to the royal 2 situation, this is a bit worse, and should have heavier punishment than that. Royal 2 was messing around online, not on lan, and also he didn't tamper with any league owned equipment, just his own network settings. So maybe somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot? 2 event ban, allowed back at worlds? Maybe include the DQ in that ban? The rest of the year is too long I feel.
HCS should be ashamed. They stated that Spartan's SSD was not an official tournament SSD. Then when it was discovered it actually was, they did not do enough to repair the damage that was done with their original statement. Not even close.
"It was stressed that he didn’t bring his own SSD, but he did bring a copy of his own OS configuration loaded onto a USB, which is just as bad." So this wasn't premeditated huh? Lol SUS
@@bbrown2194 I don't think bringing software is as bad. But nevertheless, the facts should be corrected if they were misstated originally, especially given the initial damage it can do to his reputation. it's hard to undo the damage once misinformation gets out into the ether. That was the SSD HCS gave him. That has nothing to do with Sparty. HCS doesn't know what hardware they are using and you're blaming Sparty for that? Of course he brought it for a reason: He admitted he brought it to optimize the system in case it ran poorly. It's little optimizations. It's not wall hacks or other blatant types of cheating.
@@EDUAROSOLASif hcs claims it wasn’t the official tournament ssd I wonder if they gave him some janky one that underformed compared to other players. leading to him to dumbly doing what he did.
@@mopbucket7297 They have admitted it was an HCS drive. They should have announced on social media that they were mistaken, because spreading the misinformation in the first place does irreversible damage to someone's reputation.
@@bbrown2194 So he transferred the contents of his personal SSD/USB to the official tournament SSD/USB. Then he disputes that he used his own SSD and he used the tournament SSD. Wow dude, that's even worse because he tried to make it look like he was using the tournament SSD and nevermind the fact that it was still with the contents of his personal SSD. Bruh, he's been doing this a long time and just now got busted. If he would have expected or known about the "white noise" software, I guarantee he would have included that on his personal SSD and they never would have found out.
Yup, online tournaments for HCS points is whack. Anyone can gain advantages with tech. Like the whole Royal 2 situation in year 1. Dude was just trying to have host each game to lower his Canadian ping. That same year when they had the Online Super (super dumb), SEN decided to have the players go to the Complexity tech center in Texas (sweet Texas ping). They wanted to avoid the Canada crap connection dilemma and had to pay travel money for an online tournament.
I mean, technically yes... But why are the gaming rigs not optimized for gaming before tourney? You can literally set up 1 machine and clone it so everyone gets to have a well optimized machine so they can all perform. But yes, you shouldn't have a machine that's not official for fairness reasons. But IMO it's like having to race in a admin provided 4 cylinder Toyota corolla. Lol.
maybe we can have completely locked down rigs? where you can't cheat? like a CONSOLE? haha PC is for cheating, keep it on console if you want it to be competative
This is more embarrassing for HCS than Spartan. They couldn't even identify their own SSD and now they are tossing out a top 20 pro for the remainder of Halo Infinites pro scene. They already ruined a great game, stop taking your players down with you.
HCS needs to be more clear with what is allowed and not allowed. Halo tournaments shouldn’t be an overclocking competition. Sparty or any player for that matter should not be performing latency tweaks via registry editor to gain a competitive advantage at live events.
I've watched Spartans Utube videos for OS settings and driver cleanup many times and setup my system the same as he does. He's open about it. Super great dude that's a real leader in this area. And if you're not cheating, you're not trying. HCS needs to get clearer regulations. Not one person should fault Tyler. He's leading the way. Can promise HCS will have more clear regulations starting next tourny. There's real cheaters all over matchmaking. Deal with those guys using aimbot and wallhacks which ruins the competition. Sparty doesn't do that stuff. He's just optimizing the Windows OS and GPU drivers and deserves credit.
Banned from the whole year and dropped is pretty harsh. Cheating shouldn't be taken lightly....but this wasn't "cheating." Was basically a technicality. What should have happened is they suspend him from London. (But didn't DQ complexity) and let them sub someone or something. And then they should have fined him or something. Completely blacklisting him from everything is pretty unnecessary and excessive. Now if they found walls, or hacks, or cheats....then ya...blacklist him completely. But that's not the case.
I don’t think Spartan is a cheater but….. tampering with official equipment is wrong. And for that I think as much respect as the HCS has for Spartan, They’re doing the right thing by setting an example. Tampering will not be tolerated. I really like Spartan I’ve been watching his streams for awhile now. Got a picture with him in Seattle 2023. Really nice guy. As far as punishment I think it’s a bit extreme but like I said I see the examples being set here. I’m gonna miss seeing him out there that’s for sure.
@@Bvllzye Royal 2 was caught doing it in online qualifiers. Got banned from the upcoming major by the HCS. SEN let him play for the next Major and online qualifiers. In this case, Complexity are the ones banning Spartan for a year. HCS only DQ’d Complexity from London Major… so it’s on them. No HCS bias here in my opinion
@@mrjohnsierra117 No its HCS banning Sparty for a year and Complexity dropping him as a result. I would argue that what Royal 2 did impacted other players whereas what Sparty did, did NOT IMPACT other players.
I agree that his mistake was silly, he just needed to show an Admin for them to fix the issue. Stiil I feel like the punishment was too high, maybe banned from a couple of events at most just to make it an example for everybody else. Not need to cost him his job.
The ruling being harsh is... valid. However the technical illiteracy is somewhat frustrating around this. It was definitely premeditated. No one accidentally re-formats HCS's SSD with your home PC on a flash drive. That is not an accidental "oopsie" - that's deliberate tampering. It was a mistake for HCS to say he brought his own SSD, but that's essentially what he did. His own flash drive is basically no different.
agreed, a lot of outrage about them incorrectly saying he brought his own ssd that I don't understand. He might as well have since he brought his own clean install of windows on a flash drive. Also, at the time the ssd looked different than the rest and they were quick to correct their official statement when they realized it was theirs.
Also makes absolutely no sense to want to optimise the game performance just for the warm-up. Who believes that? He's only saying that because he got caught before the game started.
HCS shouldve implied some type of administrative lock on the PCs, so that couldn't happen. But, if by CHEATING we mean anything that gives an advantage (be it a boost in performance, or wall hacks), then yea, he was cheating or attempted to do so. Respectfully, if i was a pro team, sponsored, contracts, and money on the line... I would not have taken that risk. But he fcuked around... and he found out.
From whatci gather from his interview and this. I dont believe it was malicious. Far too severe of a consequence. He got dropped and banned from the rest of the year. DQ from that tournament alone should have been sufficient everything considered i think.
why is everyone comparing this to the R2 situation? for one that was online, R2 had it for pubs cause his ping is in Canada. Spartan did it intentionally, knowing what he was doing tampering with league equipment. I agree the ruling was WAY too harsh with sparty, but R2 situation was nowhere near like this.
cheat/CHēt/ : to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination. yes, he cheated. to improve PC performance above all others is an unfair competitive advantage even if the perceived advantage is negligible (a few frames per second). this topic doesn't need 30 minutes. the real debate is if the punishment is too harsh
I would side with the computer nerds lol because they would know (what gets enhanced), from performing the self-repairs that Spartan did. If running AfterBurner is cheating, then call me a cheater too lol. If performing a fresh windows install is cheating, then a lot of you are cheaters lmao. But that being said, I don't know if that's all he did... But from the evidence presented by the court, there is no condemning evidence available to the public, your honor. Thus, Spartan is innocent of cheating until further evidence suggests otherwise
Sparty did that configuration live on stream once, im sure theres a video of it somewhere. I didnt watch it but i assume a lot of it is just disabling background processes that impact performance.
@@Bvllzye if disabling background processes really gave pc users a big advantage, I would religiously watch that video until my rig is exactly the way he has it. But I’m guessing it would just stabilize the frame rate lol. So I have no interest in copying Spartans settings as a Ranked player myself
@@Rexonsteroids stabilizing frame rate is essential because frame rate directly affects Aim Assist in Infinite. If you have a frame rate that fluctuates greatly, you will have less effective and consistent aim assist.
@@deankruse2891 if the framerate is already CPU bottlenecked on the HCS rigs (I am assuming it is. I am assuming they use the latest high end hardware) then disabling background processes would show close to zero difference due to the minimum FPS being cranked from the badass cpus they use
OH NOES cheating is both easier to do and wrongly identify on PC, if only there were a completely locked down system competitors could play on... like a CONSOLE or something.... PC is Pretend Competitive.
Just a friendly reminder that Royal 2 cheated and got slapped on the wrist and was allowed to still compete after went on to continue to be a terrible sport and won champs what a joke
"It was stressed that he didn’t bring his own SSD, but he did bring a copy of his own OS configuration loaded onto a USB, which is just as bad." So this wasn't premeditated huh? Lol SUS
It was pre planned. The guy cheated and got what he deserved. The fact these people are defending him just shows how much of a shit show HCS is. Especially after one former commentator got dropped for harassment, another "pro" got caught cheating at the start of infinites life etc
Lucid agrees, this ruling is way too harsh - why was Royal2 only banned from one event for cheating? Consequences don't seem to have been meetered out equally
Seems like they are trying to make an example out of him
theyre being buyest
Definitely feel like this punishment is way to harsh, but if you really want to compare this to the royal 2 situation, this is a bit worse, and should have heavier punishment than that. Royal 2 was messing around online, not on lan, and also he didn't tamper with any league owned equipment, just his own network settings. So maybe somewhere in the middle is the sweet spot? 2 event ban, allowed back at worlds? Maybe include the DQ in that ban? The rest of the year is too long I feel.
It's because Royal 2 is the size of a yard gnome and Sparty is not.
@@livegoer182biased, but yes, I agree
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HCS should be ashamed. They stated that Spartan's SSD was not an official tournament SSD. Then when it was discovered it actually was, they did not do enough to repair the damage that was done with their original statement. Not even close.
"It was stressed that he didn’t bring his own SSD, but he did bring a copy of his own OS configuration loaded onto a USB, which is just as bad."
So this wasn't premeditated huh? Lol SUS
@@bbrown2194 I don't think bringing software is as bad. But nevertheless, the facts should be corrected if they were misstated originally, especially given the initial damage it can do to his reputation. it's hard to undo the damage once misinformation gets out into the ether.
That was the SSD HCS gave him. That has nothing to do with Sparty. HCS doesn't know what hardware they are using and you're blaming Sparty for that?
Of course he brought it for a reason: He admitted he brought it to optimize the system in case it ran poorly. It's little optimizations. It's not wall hacks or other blatant types of cheating.
@@EDUAROSOLASif hcs claims it wasn’t the official tournament ssd I wonder if they gave him some janky one that underformed compared to other players. leading to him to dumbly doing what he did.
@@mopbucket7297 They have admitted it was an HCS drive. They should have announced on social media that they were mistaken, because spreading the misinformation in the first place does irreversible damage to someone's reputation.
@@bbrown2194 So he transferred the contents of his personal SSD/USB to the official tournament SSD/USB. Then he disputes that he used his own SSD and he used the tournament SSD. Wow dude, that's even worse because he tried to make it look like he was using the tournament SSD and nevermind the fact that it was still with the contents of his personal SSD. Bruh, he's been doing this a long time and just now got busted. If he would have expected or known about the "white noise" software, I guarantee he would have included that on his personal SSD and they never would have found out.
so when HCS holds online tourneys are players with better PC, monitors, internet considered cheating? By definition they have an advantage no?
This is why there should never be online major tourneys, it’s not an even playing field.
Yea it's stupid, all those in Texas with crazy connection have advantage
Yup, online tournaments for HCS points is whack. Anyone can gain advantages with tech. Like the whole Royal 2 situation in year 1. Dude was just trying to have host each game to lower his Canadian ping. That same year when they had the Online Super (super dumb), SEN decided to have the players go to the Complexity tech center in Texas (sweet Texas ping). They wanted to avoid the Canada crap connection dilemma and had to pay travel money for an online tournament.
yup, hcs should be console only. PC is for cheating
I mean, technically yes... But why are the gaming rigs not optimized for gaming before tourney? You can literally set up 1 machine and clone it so everyone gets to have a well optimized machine so they can all perform. But yes, you shouldn't have a machine that's not official for fairness reasons. But IMO it's like having to race in a admin provided 4 cylinder Toyota corolla. Lol.
maybe we can have completely locked down rigs? where you can't cheat? like a CONSOLE? haha PC is for cheating, keep it on console if you want it to be competative
This is more embarrassing for HCS than Spartan. They couldn't even identify their own SSD and now they are tossing out a top 20 pro for the remainder of Halo Infinites pro scene. They already ruined a great game, stop taking your players down with you.
HCS needs to be more clear with what is allowed and not allowed. Halo tournaments shouldn’t be an overclocking competition. Sparty or any player for that matter should not be performing latency tweaks via registry editor to gain a competitive advantage at live events.
you right, all players should already have it to begin with.
it's almost like they should play on an even platform... like a CONSOLE
@@gregrich91 Its almost like HCS can't even identify their own SSD"s but carry on
Meanwhile Monster gets to play
I've watched Spartans Utube videos for OS settings and driver cleanup many times and setup my system the same as he does. He's open about it. Super great dude that's a real leader in this area. And if you're not cheating, you're not trying. HCS needs to get clearer regulations. Not one person should fault Tyler. He's leading the way. Can promise HCS will have more clear regulations starting next tourny. There's real cheaters all over matchmaking. Deal with those guys using aimbot and wallhacks which ruins the competition. Sparty doesn't do that stuff. He's just optimizing the Windows OS and GPU drivers and deserves credit.
I really like Spartan Mcfly. Like his energy and reactions when the game cheats him. I hope to see him in HCS again.
Was good seeing you at HCS LONDON Tony !
Banned from the whole year and dropped is pretty harsh.
Cheating shouldn't be taken lightly....but this wasn't "cheating." Was basically a technicality.
What should have happened is they suspend him from London. (But didn't DQ complexity) and let them sub someone or something.
And then they should have fined him or something. Completely blacklisting him from everything is pretty unnecessary and excessive.
Now if they found walls, or hacks, or cheats....then ya...blacklist him completely. But that's not the case.
I don’t think Spartan is a cheater but….. tampering with official equipment is wrong. And for that I think as much respect as the HCS has for Spartan, They’re doing the right thing by setting an example. Tampering will not be tolerated. I really like Spartan I’ve been watching his streams for awhile now. Got a picture with him in Seattle 2023. Really nice guy. As far as punishment I think it’s a bit extreme but like I said I see the examples being set here. I’m gonna miss seeing him out there that’s for sure.
how long did Royal2 get banned for when he cheated?
I think 1 event
@@SuperHippo95 he got special treatment then if sparty gets the whole year
@@Bvllzye I'm guessing because it was an online and not lan
@@Bvllzye Royal 2 was caught doing it in online qualifiers. Got banned from the upcoming major by the HCS. SEN let him play for the next Major and online qualifiers. In this case, Complexity are the ones banning Spartan for a year. HCS only DQ’d Complexity from London Major… so it’s on them. No HCS bias here in my opinion
@@mrjohnsierra117 No its HCS banning Sparty for a year and Complexity dropping him as a result. I would argue that what Royal 2 did impacted other players whereas what Sparty did, did NOT IMPACT other players.
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My only question on his intentions: WHY DID YOU BRING THE FLASH DRIVE TO LONDON? If you’re not allowed to install anything??
You’d think a decent lawyer would be able to sort out anything above Disqualification from this and possibly the next tournament. Time will tell
I agree that his mistake was silly, he just needed to show an Admin for them to fix the issue. Stiil I feel like the punishment was too high, maybe banned from a couple of events at most just to make it an example for everybody else. Not need to cost him his job.
Why didn't he just tell an admin? Feel like he could have avoided all this
He said he didn’t think about it
people are trying to twist the story to defend him, he knew this was wrong come on... hes not dumb
@@RAHHicecreamwhy not? He’s a grown man and supposed to be a professional. Bro did this to himself
Why? bc he was cheating
The ruling being harsh is... valid. However the technical illiteracy is somewhat frustrating around this. It was definitely premeditated. No one accidentally re-formats HCS's SSD with your home PC on a flash drive. That is not an accidental "oopsie" - that's deliberate tampering. It was a mistake for HCS to say he brought his own SSD, but that's essentially what he did. His own flash drive is basically no different.
agreed, a lot of outrage about them incorrectly saying he brought his own ssd that I don't understand. He might as well have since he brought his own clean install of windows on a flash drive. Also, at the time the ssd looked different than the rest and they were quick to correct their official statement when they realized it was theirs.
Also makes absolutely no sense to want to optimise the game performance just for the warm-up. Who believes that? He's only saying that because he got caught before the game started.
He would not have brought the drive if he didn’t intend to do this. Its an obvious lie
@@CDX7 He admitted to doing it the event before as well. :L
Talking about the guy that hates mangler..
HCS shouldve implied some type of administrative lock on the PCs, so that couldn't happen. But, if by CHEATING we mean anything that gives an advantage (be it a boost in performance, or wall hacks), then yea, he was cheating or attempted to do so. Respectfully, if i was a pro team, sponsored, contracts, and money on the line... I would not have taken that risk. But he fcuked around... and he found out.
From whatci gather from his interview and this. I dont believe it was malicious. Far too severe of a consequence. He got dropped and banned from the rest of the year. DQ from that tournament alone should have been sufficient everything considered i think.
Keep up the great work
why is everyone comparing this to the R2 situation? for one that was online, R2 had it for pubs cause his ping is in Canada. Spartan did it intentionally, knowing what he was doing tampering with league equipment. I agree the ruling was WAY too harsh with sparty, but R2 situation was nowhere near like this.
cheat/CHēt/ : to act dishonestly or unfairly in order to gain an advantage, especially in a game or examination.
yes, he cheated. to improve PC performance above all others is an unfair competitive advantage even if the perceived advantage is negligible (a few frames per second).
this topic doesn't need 30 minutes. the real debate is if the punishment is too harsh
I would side with the computer nerds lol because they would know (what gets enhanced), from performing the self-repairs that Spartan did. If running AfterBurner is cheating, then call me a cheater too lol. If performing a fresh windows install is cheating, then a lot of you are cheaters lmao. But that being said, I don't know if that's all he did... But from the evidence presented by the court, there is no condemning evidence available to the public, your honor. Thus, Spartan is innocent of cheating until further evidence suggests otherwise
Sparty did that configuration live on stream once, im sure theres a video of it somewhere. I didnt watch it but i assume a lot of it is just disabling background processes that impact performance.
@@Bvllzye if disabling background processes really gave pc users a big advantage, I would religiously watch that video until my rig is exactly the way he has it. But I’m guessing it would just stabilize the frame rate lol. So I have no interest in copying Spartans settings as a Ranked player myself
@@Rexonsteroidsyes it's to get a high stable framerate. That's all it is......
@@Rexonsteroids stabilizing frame rate is essential because frame rate directly affects Aim Assist in Infinite. If you have a frame rate that fluctuates greatly, you will have less effective and consistent aim assist.
@@deankruse2891 if the framerate is already CPU bottlenecked on the HCS rigs (I am assuming it is. I am assuming they use the latest high end hardware) then disabling background processes would show close to zero difference due to the minimum FPS being cranked from the badass cpus they use
Tony, you did miss something. I still don't understand the EXACT reason he was banned. What did spartan do? How is reinstalling windows cheating?
He installed non legal software and settings to gain advantages. He also admitted to doing it previously at other events.
That, is cheating.
Spartan cheated, Complexity got yeeted
Ban him from the next tourney and have him come back. It’s too harsh
OH NOES cheating is both easier to do and wrongly identify on PC, if only there were a completely locked down system competitors could play on... like a CONSOLE or something.... PC is Pretend Competitive.
Just a friendly reminder that Royal 2 cheated and got slapped on the wrist and was allowed to still compete after went on to continue to be a terrible sport and won champs what a joke
YES
he did not cheat
"It was stressed that he didn’t bring his own SSD, but he did bring a copy of his own OS configuration loaded onto a USB, which is just as bad."
So this wasn't premeditated huh? Lol SUS
It was pre planned. The guy cheated and got what he deserved. The fact these people are defending him just shows how much of a shit show HCS is.
Especially after one former commentator got dropped for harassment, another "pro" got caught cheating at the start of infinites life etc
your mum cheated