Maria exists TO DIE. The entire point of her character IS to give Shadow motivation and a conflicted sense of morality. Without her death, Shadow's entire concept as a character lacks a massive part of its foundation and is so much flimsier.
They aren't cheering at her death they are cheering for what it implies for who is writing the story. that they at least have some respect for existing canon and even if they change some things (living gerald) they probably wont ruin it.
@@ColCuts Baldy McNosehair. it's ok if its just something sonic calls eggman sometimes. but Eggman, while goofy, should be a real threat. who we know is fully capable of doing all kinds of bad things.
i think before they kill maria we should get to know her first maybe we get a shadow movie spin off with him thinking he can resurrect her using sonic rings to go to another world & find information on that possibility
This! This! Hear hear! I don't necessarily need it to be *completely* on screen, a cutaway is fine, but if Maria does *not* get shot in the Sonic 3 movie or if they cheap out with leaving it to only mild implications, it feels like they think less of modern children than Sonic Team thought of children when they dropped Adventure 2, and something about that seems deeply insulting to the family I'm watching grow up from babies. Like, I know the movie is its own thing with its own divergent character types and story, but I'd be fine if they took Maria's fate shot-for-shot from Adventure 2.
I mean yeah, but it's more important to portray Shadow's reaction in an approprite way. We never really saw any humane response from Shadow to this scene. It's a good chance for Paramount to develop his personality further.
I think the reason people celebrate when Maria dies is because it means SEGA Is acknowledging who Shadow truly is. Remember just a decade ago Shadow said that friends make you weak. So to acknowledge Maria and what she means to Shadow is a step in the right direction, even if I really hope that same logic is also applied to Team Dark one day. There is also that deprived part of our brain that enjoys tragedy in fiction. Nobody likes the story where everything goes perfectly fine in the same way. No one likes the story where everything goes completely completely wrong. There has to be a balance. So to see one of the most tragic moments in the series finally acknowledged after years of meaningless events in Colors, Generations, Lost World, & Forces means that they are finally taking things seriously again
People mostly just want to see it faithfully developed. The reason he wants to kill everybody is the loss of maria, then later realizes that is simply the opposite of anything she would want.
The reason people want to see maria die is because sega has fucked up shadow's characterization so much and so often since 2005 that acknowledging it makes us contract rabies
Maria can be in the Unleashed style, it totally works. You barely even have to change how she looks, since she's already depicted pretty cartoonishly in Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog.
Wow! I tought I was the only one excited. I told my brother once they announce that maria would appear: We are watching it first week of release. There is going to be Mario and Edgy the Edgehog and Robotnik.
Unrelated but I love how Eggman, Tails and Gamma gameplay for Sa1 and 2 is just violently throw yourself around the room and then everything just f*cking explodes
@@ColCuts Yeah, it's clear they actually care about the fans. Or at the very least are doing a lot better of a job pretending they do than other big companies. And seriously, they listed "gun" as a character. That's incredible.
It's not a celebration of the death of the person, but a celebration of storytelling in the form of hearth heartbreaking story twist that is a real tragedy that is meaningful.
I'm kinda disappointed Gerrald is still alive. It was some seriously dark shit way back when as a kid I saw Maria get flat out capped by a government kill squad, and then later Gerrald's last words while the firing squad prepares and then executes him. Maria's death was something that broke both Shadow and Gerrald, and, for all that they overreacted by condemning literally everybody for it, it establishes that the people responsible for killing her absolutely had what Shadow and Gerrald planned to do coming for them.
I'm just going to be frank. I don't think they need to actually show Maria getting shot. In fact, I feel the Project Shadow fan film handled it pretty well enough. You have the build up to it where Shadow is in the escape capsule pleading with Maria while the GUN soldier has her at gunpoint ordering her to step away from the control panel before it shows the gun being fired folled by a cut to Shadow's reaction. It's a case of showing just enough to get the point across. I think that's how Movie 3 should handle it.
May be some should pretend to be a bit more sad at the movies so the kids know it’s sad… Even if we are cheering on the inside. Kids do learn from their elders after all.
I just always feel like I want Maria to be able to come back/be saved in some way. I wouldn't be against the film doing this. She can be dead but I have no problem if they come up with some way for her to be brought back to give Shadow some hope. As it stands, without Amy or Rouge in the films there's not much benefit for Shadow in the films. At least Shadow in the games has Rouge who eventually became a close friend to him. I guess you could argue the original SA2 ending could potentially be him accepting his fate and going on to be with Maria in whatever afterlife exists in the Sonic universe (which isn't really established). However, there's no way the film is going to kill Shadow. And odds are we won't get Amy or Rouge either. So Shadow's basically just going to be all alone by the end. I know how some modern entries portray edgy Shadow who hates friends (Sonic Boom), but that's not game Shadow at all. He has a small, close knit group of friends (Rouge and Omega). So personally, I feel like if they don't bring in Rouge or Amy into the film, they should instead have Maria come back in _some way_ at the end so Shadow has someone to act as a companion. Regardless, Maria has to either die or at least be in a coma (with Gerald probably placing her in a pod to preserve her) in order to play out Shadow's story as intended.
I love the freezing maria in a pod idea- showing shadow that she’s not dead- but also can’t come back quite yet- As for Shadow in the movie… maybe i’ll make another video on this, BUT I entirely believe that Movie3 will end with shadow “dying”, and then teaser credit will show he’s alive- and i believe much like the games- we’re going to get a solo shadow movie (which would make more sense to introduce rouge at that point, rather than bloat movie3- have rouge aid shadow in his journey of finding out whether or not he’s a clone and where he is in the side of good or evil) Also thanks for the comment!
@@ColCutsTo be honest, if they’re gonna kill off Shadow at the end, I’d want him to be stay dead. He might be my favourite character but too many movies have fake out deaths these days so if they do it, I’d rather they stick to it. It would make his sacrifice more impactful I think. If they don’t, I’m not gonna cry about it though.
@@aidenatorx99 i also agree with that! it’d be nice to have movie 3 be the end of this story and shadow get a conclusion… but i don’t think Hollywood knows how to not milk a franchise…
@@ColCuts If Paramount higher ups have a lick of sense, they’d see what happened with Disney milking the crap outta Marvel, how bad that’s turned out and think “Maybe we shouldn’t do that” It wouldn’t surprise me if the writers wanted to permanently kill off Shadow but are forced not to because the Big Cheeses said “nah we want more merchandise money” I’m a very logical person so in my mind, that makes sense but corporate suits, I highly doubt it.
I understand its an important part of Shadow's story but all the people who are going to cheer and clap in the theater if she gets shot are so annoying.
i wish we had more insight into who she is as an individual character (more than just a tragic means to fleshing out who Shadow is, even if she ultimately exists to die) and the happy moments she had with Shadow. that would make her death even more heartbreaking for the audience who could empathize more with Shadow. we need to see how devastating this loss is for him by setting up how much she meant to him, more than just him reminiscing and short glimpses of her smiling or whatever. we get the gist of all that in canon so far, but i think it can be fleshed out more. of course she’s tied to Shadow, but i wish people (writers and audience) cared more about her than just that or at least the sad part of that. though it kind of is impossible to ignore that tragicness, as soon as you see her you know her fate. playing into that tragicness by contrasting it with her happiness would make the loss not just a plot device
but i also think her being a “mysterious” force of love that was ripped away with no reason (no good reason) is also cool, but they’ve shown too much of her to go the “we’ll never know her because she’s only in Shadow’s memories now” route. if we want a tragic but satisfying end for her, we first need an actual character to feel for
In this year alone... **We are going to witness Maria getting OFF-edd in Manga, Film & Shadow Generations Game if SEGA feels generous** I would have made a Netflix Adaptation joke... but Knuckles Series/Movie already beaten Devil Trigger into himself, just to tell '06 Blaze "she wouldn't get how to **Live** with it" ...And then getting the hell beaten out of him by Keanu Reeves.
@ColCuts Feels weird talking about Sega doing good while.... Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard-King have stagnated with CoD, Nintendo are making a patent lawsuit & lackluster pokemon quality, Sony screwed up with Helldivers 2 & Concord, Square Enix is yet to release something else than mobile games & steam ports, and EA hasn't made a new Battlefield yet.... *_[Add other notable events here]_* Look... all I saying Sega with development of Pirate Majima, Alright IDW comics, Sonic x Shadow Generations, Sonic Movie 3 + Jet Set Radio + Crazy Taxi (+ Others)... **...Sega is sailing into 2024 with a industry that went from **_AAA_** to AHHHHHHHHH manoeuvring around napalm on the surface of water & the ship of Concord-ia shipwrecked, with industry-wide difficulty spike to the Beaches of Normandy, to get the money!** **...And I'm not sure when or how things have escalated to Sega revival for releases other than Yakuza or Persona games...** *_*Payday 2 - On The Road, starts playing*_*
@@Ratscallion_exe we’ve entered the wrong timeline- and just so ya know, i’m gonna have a video about playstation out in a day or two :D long live sega tho
No one is saying we need to watch her die. Heck if they can properly explain shadows motives without looking her that's fine and dandy. We love the Maria death because she represents something beautiful, frail, yet full of life. We love that she represents a time when Shadow loved something innocent and helpless, which makes us like him. When she dies we sympathize with him even if we don't share his hated of humanity. It's a shame that since Gerald seems to be alive we may not get my favorite line from him in the game: "all of you ungrateful humans, who took everything away from me, will feel my loss and despair." Because that line also reflects how Shadow felt.
I think it’s weird how 4Kids censored Maria’s death in Sonic X when other cartoon channels show Spider Man’s Uncle Ben death along with Batmans Parents death was shown or mentioned in their cartoon incarnation. Heck, Robins parents were killed in The Batman 2004 cartoon but was tones down by just not showing them plummet to their death on screen.
To be honest I think Gerald being alive might work in this story, the reason on why they probably brought him back to life it’s to avoid the extremely dark tones of his death like ain’t no way they gonna show a military execution in a children’s movie 💀 the way I can imagine him die it’s probably in the end if he is an antagonist (he probably is)
@@ColCuts Ngl I think possibly there will be some more characters that might die in the movie (1# Maria ☠️☠️☠️☠️ no questions asked, 2# Between Gerald And Tom (Maybe Both ? The death of Gerald might serve as character development for eggman and shadow but with Tom it’s probably for sonic since these movies were concentrated on his character development….this movie implies that he has grown so I mean if they wanna finalize his character I think Tom’s death will do the job.) 3# Shadow, it’s highly unlikely that he dies but if paramount wants to do more stuff from SA2 to the movie I’m sure it’s a fake out for the fourth movie unless if they got the balls to kill off shadow (HIGHLY UNLIKELY)
This is just kinda random... I get the idea but a child getting shot doesn't automatically make a story better, Marias fate is a solid part of the Adventure 2 narrative because it plays into Shadows backstory and motivations, not because its serious. Im all for edgy Sonic but there are better things to be cheering for.
agree! the cheering is crazy! for me, as long as they are even acknowledging more serious story beats like this, i’m happy. i don’t want edgy sonic- just for sonic to not be afraid to takes itself more seriously at times:D
I had a thought today. Maybe the reason that Maria's death is cheered is because it's something no one would ever do in story telling. I mean think about it. Maria is 12 years old. She has an incurable disease, that's slowly killing her. She's really, really nice. She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She has no superpowers, and she was killed because she was helping Shadow escape the ARK. She was killed because she was doing a good deed. Not to mention she said she hoped she could be cured in time to see the world she loves so much. Any other writer would be too scared to kill off Maria. She'd in some way survive, and Shadow would see her again in a future game having start a family, having a house, and being able to control her NIDS enough that it doesn't take a toll on her. However, SA2 grew a pair, trusted it's audience, showed the scene and flat out says, "MARIA FLIPPING DIES!!!! SLOWLY!!!!! AND PAINFULLY!!!!!" So yeah, it's like you said. Sonic showed an adult situation not by adding nudity, bad language, or unnecessary violence, but by simply showing the audience bad things happen to all people. Even if they are sick, pretty, good, young, and defenseless. People like that can still die unfairly.
The reason you got what you wanted was because you infiltrated the corporation behind your art piece & have the creators at your side. It’s still Par La Rêve, Pour La rêve, just a tad mmmmm riskier due to the involvement of corporations.
@@Andythesonicfan I think you forget that Boom Shadow nearly destroyed the world by having the two Eggman’s hidden when both can’t coexist in the same universe less the world be destroyed and everything with it.
@@Andythesonicfan you could have that story line and have her cryogenically frozen for 90 years, presumed dead but saved until she can be healed of her injury after medical advances.
Sega didn’t see the realistic and mature themes as a bad thing, they just got new writers and wanted to target towards kids so they can get more fans. The Black Knight and Unleashed story hate is crazy
@@TheAverageLifeForm Thank you for the support! and the music is “his world (orchestra version from sonic 06)” and yeah 2 months ago! but it took off outta nowhere
If we see Sonic around humans again in the next main line game, they’ll more than likely have a more anime look to them like Sage did in Frontiers. Which would make sense considering that they want to appeal to Japan more. Also I didn’t hate it, but I never really liked Sonic in a human world with Pixar looking humans. Always felt kinda bland to me, even as a kid
yeah even as a kid i didn’t like the unleashed style- but thought it was sick when sonic would be around real humans in 06 or adventure 1&2. i’d take a chibi style but as long as its not like unleashed
Fans in their 20s and 30s cheering that their childhood is being respected fail to recognise that they are ruining future generations from experiencing the same tragedy and heartfelt storytelling. Feel free to cheer in private or online but for the love of storytelling please pretend to be sad in the theatres 😭
We don't know the full context of the scene, but I imagine he's alive to facilitate him being the villain. Shadow isn't himself a villain so they instead have him work with Gerald to get revenge for what happened. Gerald eventually reveals he's going to destroy everyone on earth, causing Shadow to switch sides to stop him. This is of course assuming he's actually alive. Eggman seems surprised to see him so he could've thought he was dead, but it could also be a hallucination or like a cyborg with a Gerald AI. I am hoping Gerald being included does mean they're going with an adaptation ARK plot. Not sure if they'll blow up half of the moon but that'd be cool to see.
i just wanna say that the fact that people are begging to see maria's die in the third sonic movie and are saying they and are gonna cheer when it happens is a prime example of why the sonic the hedgehog fandom is up there with star wars, Steven universe and my hero academia of being a pathetic and disgusting fandom! as if the erotic fan fictions weren't bad enough XP P.S. i understand maria's death is a vial part of shadows origin story but the meme's are getting repetitive and that's the joke with my comment
I'm actually really excited for sonadow generations I wonder if orbot and cubot are gonna be in that game.. technically if they are in the game (shadow half) it'd be the first time they even heard of professor Gerald Maria and black doom that would be really interesting
@@ColCuts right!? That would be so interesting to see their reactions to shadows backstory and what happened to Maria and Gerald! They HAVE to include this! I would LOVE to see their reactions! Especially since they weren't in frontiers
@@ColCuts also if they bring sage back somehow (they don't have to do it in this game maybe they can do it in the sequal to frontiers) they have to include a scene of sage meeting orbot and cubot that would be ADORABLE!
This proofs Sonic fans are mental getting hype over someone getting killed who is 12 years old makes the series interesting some how makes me feel sorry for this community Lowkey there other ways to make Sonic dark besides having a 12 year old getting shot
@@SonicZuki real as hell brother- i get why people are excited but i better not have people clapping in my theater when this happens😭 highkey many other ways to include serious story beats- hope we see more of such- and thanks for the comment :)
She gets shot because thats whats established happening. It's not hard to understand. People arent cheering because she gets shot but because it shows respect for pre existing canon.
@@ColCuts Maria's death is not something to clap over, but the fact they seem to be respecting existing lore at least to a significant degree is something to be happy about.
The society is fuck up to the point where they celebrate when some girl DEATH. I am not a sonic fan or even a ps gamer, but the fact that maria death celebration recommended is so piss*ng me off about the truth of this stupid society
Yeah sorry but just cuz some weird Sonic fans want to see this doesn't mean it's happening. You aren't going to get a PG Hollywood movie with Jim Carry in it showing a child getting shot to death. Sonic is cartoony first, that sometimes gets edgy. It was never meant to explore mature themes seriously lol. If you want something that's edge first that sometimes cartoony ask for a DMC movie.
This isn't what i expected to be commenting on with this video but 3:58 as someone who has talked multiple people down from suicide there is absolutely nothing wrong with this dialogue. Suicidal people dont need their feelings validated. On the contrary, they need to know that they're making emotionally charged and irrational decisions that could permanently change, or end their lives. You can talk gentler than that, sure, but if you know the person this sort of dialogue is totally fair game.
easy, the original level sucked ass and was difficult as shit as a kid, so when maria dies, its the end of the level, and my autistic sonic brain gets FLUSHED with dopamine, so every time maria dies, i get a surge of dopamine
Basically Maria is the Uncle Ben or Bruce's parents of Sonic lore
oh my god… YOU COOKED- you better patent this because damn that’s spot on
Yes
That's surprisingly accurate actually💫
i was about to ask who tf is bruce then midway realized you meant batman.
Uncle Ben?
Maria exists TO DIE. The entire point of her character IS to give Shadow motivation and a conflicted sense of morality. Without her death, Shadow's entire concept as a character lacks a massive part of its foundation and is so much flimsier.
@@shingshongshamalama spittin
Yeah, get fridged!
@@anxiousearth680 More like 'get Ben'd'
I always wondered if this falls in the woman in the fridge trope
@@LizHawk The idea was around before that particular Green Lantern story. It's an Uncle Ben moment.
They aren't cheering at her death they are cheering for what it implies for who is writing the story. that they at least have some respect for existing canon and even if they change some things (living gerald) they probably wont ruin it.
yeah exactly! the fact the series may start taking itself more seriously is a blessing after years of “nosey mc bald hair”
@@ColCuts Baldy McNosehair. it's ok if its just something sonic calls eggman sometimes. but Eggman, while goofy, should be a real threat. who we know is fully capable of doing all kinds of bad things.
@@zeehero7280 he blew up the MOON
@@ColCutsI wanna see Eggy go to SatAM levels of threatening. Forces gave us a taste but the game itself was... bad.
Gerald being alive doesn't change much. But the tragedy of Maria is shadows reason for being a villian and later a hero.
"Maria" *explosion*
@@thesmolpopato4972 that’s exactly how it happened
don’t make me bring up Eggman’s Twitter announcement
@@SpaceGT_07 go on
@@ColCuts
I’VE COME TO MAKE AN ANNOUNCEMENT!
....I miss my wife Tails...
i miss her a lot….
I'll be back
[Laughter]
i think before they kill maria we should get to know her first maybe we get a shadow movie spin off with him thinking he can resurrect her using sonic rings to go to another world & find information on that possibility
This sounded weirder in my head
This! This! Hear hear! I don't necessarily need it to be *completely* on screen, a cutaway is fine, but if Maria does *not* get shot in the Sonic 3 movie or if they cheap out with leaving it to only mild implications, it feels like they think less of modern children than Sonic Team thought of children when they dropped Adventure 2, and something about that seems deeply insulting to the family I'm watching grow up from babies.
Like, I know the movie is its own thing with its own divergent character types and story, but I'd be fine if they took Maria's fate shot-for-shot from Adventure 2.
@@AnnCatsanndra exactly! i always think it’s crazy how we beg for what used to be the standard
I mean yeah, but it's more important to portray Shadow's reaction in an approprite way. We never really saw any humane response from Shadow to this scene. It's a good chance for Paramount to develop his personality further.
Without Maria’s death, the film doesn’t deserve to exist
"Shadow. It's a canon event"-Eggman
in 3 days
I'm not even a sonic fan but because the third movie trailer looked so cool I learned the lore and now I'm a 'maria getting shot' fan
@@FormulaFanboy you know what’s up
Welcome brother, we may look stupid at times but you will enjoy your time in the fandom, we have chilli dogs on the table at the left
it looks like she's gonna die in an explosion tho, & not the traditional "face the wall" way :(
John Doe They better not, imagine how devastated I would be as somebody who just joined the "pro-Maria-getting-shot" fandom
@@FormulaFanboy Mario?😅bro that's a different franchise 😂
Imagine the 8 yr olds seeing everyone cheer when she dies in the movie
@@aaronta6573 irreversible damage to the brand
The parents who brought their kids would be so disgusted 💀
I think the reason people celebrate when Maria dies is because it means SEGA Is acknowledging who Shadow truly is. Remember just a decade ago Shadow said that friends make you weak. So to acknowledge Maria and what she means to Shadow is a step in the right direction, even if I really hope that same logic is also applied to Team Dark one day.
There is also that deprived part of our brain that enjoys tragedy in fiction. Nobody likes the story where everything goes perfectly fine in the same way. No one likes the story where everything goes completely completely wrong. There has to be a balance. So to see one of the most tragic moments in the series finally acknowledged after years of meaningless events in Colors, Generations, Lost World, & Forces means that they are finally taking things seriously again
@@comicfan1324 giving you a standing ovation rn
it's his canon event. if it doesn't exist, shadow isn't going to be the character he is.
People mostly just want to see it faithfully developed. The reason he wants to kill everybody is the loss of maria, then later realizes that is simply the opposite of anything she would want.
It’s simple, María is the key to shadows pain and his future arc,it’s like spider man without the death of uncle ben
Mcu didn’t have uncle Ben die. What are your thoughts on that? I agree with you though
@@Andythesonicfan ehh mcu has always been finicky with lore I mean it’s Disney we’re talking about
The reason people want to see maria die is because sega has fucked up shadow's characterization so much and so often since 2005 that acknowledging it makes us contract rabies
@@CassiusStelar yeah exactly
Maria can be in the Unleashed style, it totally works. You barely even have to change how she looks, since she's already depicted pretty cartoonishly in Adventure 2 and Shadow the Hedgehog.
exactly bro, just as long as the story beats carry weight ‼️
she looked like a creepy marionette in SA2 🤣
@@zeehero7280still better than the pigtailed girl in sa2 lets be real
The Sonadow Dark Beginnings anime artstyle also works.
@@abrahamambriz892 BANGER art style right there
Wow! I tought I was the only one excited. I told my brother once they announce that maria would appear: We are watching it first week of release. There is going to be Mario and Edgy the Edgehog and Robotnik.
@@jellyface401 i’m there DAY ONE
Unrelated but I love how Eggman, Tails and Gamma gameplay for Sa1 and 2 is just
violently throw yourself around the room and then everything just f*cking explodes
@@DoseOfRandom137 peak gaming
Greetings from the future
Simple,without maria we wont have one of the best games to exist
Sa2….oh god please not shadow the hedgehog the game
To quote the new Sonic Central livestream, "... and now in movie three, Shadow, Maria, GUN, and Gerald Robotnik"
@@gamedokter i’ll be posting a sonic central vid later today :D
it was actually pretty solid?
@@ColCuts Yeah, it's clear they actually care about the fans. Or at the very least are doing a lot better of a job pretending they do than other big companies. And seriously, they listed "gun" as a character. That's incredible.
@@gamedokter LMAOO I WENT BACK AND REWATCHED IT THEY REALLY DO USE GUN AS A CHARACTER
It's not a celebration of the death of the person, but a celebration of storytelling in the form of hearth heartbreaking story twist that is a real tragedy that is meaningful.
I'm kinda disappointed Gerrald is still alive.
It was some seriously dark shit way back when as a kid I saw Maria get flat out capped by a government kill squad, and then later Gerrald's last words while the firing squad prepares and then executes him.
Maria's death was something that broke both Shadow and Gerrald, and, for all that they overreacted by condemning literally everybody for it, it establishes that the people responsible for killing her absolutely had what Shadow and Gerrald planned to do coming for them.
I think this is an appropriate thumbnail for seeing that character design for the first time in a decade.
@@markanderson7236 i threw this together in like 7 minutes 😭 thank you tho
I'm just going to be frank. I don't think they need to actually show Maria getting shot.
In fact, I feel the Project Shadow fan film handled it pretty well enough. You have the build up to it where Shadow is in the escape capsule pleading with Maria while the GUN soldier has her at gunpoint ordering her to step away from the control panel before it shows the gun being fired folled by a cut to Shadow's reaction. It's a case of showing just enough to get the point across.
I think that's how Movie 3 should handle it.
Agreed.
I love the way Project Shadow handled it
Your life is gonna be Paramount's.
May be some should pretend to be a bit more sad at the movies so the kids know it’s sad… Even if we are cheering on the inside. Kids do learn from their elders after all.
@@hiddenflare6169 oh god i never thought of the repercussions this will have on the youth 😭😭
I just always feel like I want Maria to be able to come back/be saved in some way. I wouldn't be against the film doing this. She can be dead but I have no problem if they come up with some way for her to be brought back to give Shadow some hope.
As it stands, without Amy or Rouge in the films there's not much benefit for Shadow in the films. At least Shadow in the games has Rouge who eventually became a close friend to him. I guess you could argue the original SA2 ending could potentially be him accepting his fate and going on to be with Maria in whatever afterlife exists in the Sonic universe (which isn't really established).
However, there's no way the film is going to kill Shadow. And odds are we won't get Amy or Rouge either. So Shadow's basically just going to be all alone by the end. I know how some modern entries portray edgy Shadow who hates friends (Sonic Boom), but that's not game Shadow at all. He has a small, close knit group of friends (Rouge and Omega). So personally, I feel like if they don't bring in Rouge or Amy into the film, they should instead have Maria come back in _some way_ at the end so Shadow has someone to act as a companion.
Regardless, Maria has to either die or at least be in a coma (with Gerald probably placing her in a pod to preserve her) in order to play out Shadow's story as intended.
I love the freezing maria in a pod idea- showing shadow that she’s not dead- but also can’t come back quite yet-
As for Shadow in the movie… maybe i’ll make another video on this, BUT I entirely believe that Movie3 will end with shadow “dying”, and then teaser credit will show he’s alive- and i believe much like the games- we’re going to get a solo shadow movie (which would make more sense to introduce rouge at that point, rather than bloat movie3- have rouge aid shadow in his journey of finding out whether or not he’s a clone and where he is in the side of good or evil)
Also thanks for the comment!
@@ColCutsTo be honest, if they’re gonna kill off Shadow at the end, I’d want him to be stay dead. He might be my favourite character but too many movies have fake out deaths these days so if they do it, I’d rather they stick to it. It would make his sacrifice more impactful I think. If they don’t, I’m not gonna cry about it though.
@@aidenatorx99 i also agree with that! it’d be nice to have movie 3 be the end of this story and shadow get a conclusion… but i don’t think Hollywood knows how to not milk a franchise…
@@ColCuts If Paramount higher ups have a lick of sense, they’d see what happened with Disney milking the crap outta Marvel, how bad that’s turned out and think “Maybe we shouldn’t do that”
It wouldn’t surprise me if the writers wanted to permanently kill off Shadow but are forced not to because the Big Cheeses said “nah we want more merchandise money”
I’m a very logical person so in my mind, that makes sense but corporate suits, I highly doubt it.
@@aidenatorx99 this is the unfortunate reality i’m afraid…
Ill have you know that baldy mcnose hair is the funniest joke in the history of jokes in mankind ever written or made ever and nothing can top it
@@whtevercomesfrst /srs
Paramount cap Maria on screen and my life is yours😂😂😂 omg that’s crazy
@@lil-_-zoom i think my life is there’s 😭
I can’t wait to see the Sonic 3 audience reaction video and hear people cheer at the Maria scene
Maria Robotnik 🤝 Aeris Gainsbrough
Female characters that are tragically killed but the fanbase cheers 😂
7:05 was just devious 💀💀
standing on biness
I got the best reaction when I said "I can't to see the Feds kill a child, sonic 3 gonna be wild."
"Yo wdf," was one of my favorite.
C’mon, guys. What did Maria ever do to you?
the flames of disaster!
I thought that was Mephiles
@@Old_Sport_2016 haha- yeah! but it’s a bit twitter meme rn- the knuckles show has a guy just straight up say “the flames of disaster!”
She tries too hard
She was born 😈
Feel bad for maria, she only exist for shadow's backstory and nothing more, hope they make more with her before taking her out 😔
RIP Mario you were a real one 😔🙏
@@matheussanthiago9685 mama mia✊😔
I understand its an important part of Shadow's story but all the people who are going to cheer and clap in the theater if she gets shot are so annoying.
EXACTLY!!!
Every single time we saw Maria get shot at the sonic symphony the other day, people cheered loudly. It’s annoying
i wish we had more insight into who she is as an individual character (more than just a tragic means to fleshing out who Shadow is, even if she ultimately exists to die) and the happy moments she had with Shadow. that would make her death even more heartbreaking for the audience who could empathize more with Shadow. we need to see how devastating this loss is for him by setting up how much she meant to him, more than just him reminiscing and short glimpses of her smiling or whatever. we get the gist of all that in canon so far, but i think it can be fleshed out more. of course she’s tied to Shadow, but i wish people (writers and audience) cared more about her than just that or at least the sad part of that. though it kind of is impossible to ignore that tragicness, as soon as you see her you know her fate. playing into that tragicness by contrasting it with her happiness would make the loss not just a plot device
but i also think her being a “mysterious” force of love that was ripped away with no reason (no good reason) is also cool, but they’ve shown too much of her to go the “we’ll never know her because she’s only in Shadow’s memories now” route. if we want a tragic but satisfying end for her, we first need an actual character to feel for
@@honeybeebo you’re actually so right, her character needs more…character!
doing that would absolutely make shadows storyline carry more weight
@@ColCuts the dude needs some actual content to mourn lol
In this year alone...
**We are going to witness Maria getting OFF-edd in Manga, Film & Shadow Generations Game if SEGA feels generous**
I would have made a Netflix Adaptation joke... but Knuckles Series/Movie already beaten Devil Trigger into himself, just to tell '06 Blaze "she wouldn't get how to **Live** with it"
...And then getting the hell beaten out of him by Keanu Reeves.
W year
@ColCuts Feels weird talking about Sega doing good while.... Microsoft-Activision-Blizzard-King have stagnated with CoD, Nintendo are making a patent lawsuit & lackluster pokemon quality, Sony screwed up with Helldivers 2 & Concord, Square Enix is yet to release something else than mobile games & steam ports, and EA hasn't made a new Battlefield yet....
*_[Add other notable events here]_*
Look... all I saying
Sega with development of Pirate Majima, Alright IDW comics, Sonic x Shadow Generations, Sonic Movie 3 + Jet Set Radio + Crazy Taxi (+ Others)...
**...Sega is sailing into 2024 with a industry that went from **_AAA_** to AHHHHHHHHH manoeuvring around napalm on the surface of water & the ship of Concord-ia shipwrecked, with industry-wide difficulty spike to the Beaches of Normandy, to get the money!**
**...And I'm not sure when or how things have escalated to Sega revival for releases other than Yakuza or Persona games...**
*_*Payday 2 - On The Road, starts playing*_*
@@Ratscallion_exe we’ve entered the wrong timeline- and just so ya know, i’m gonna have a video about playstation out in a day or two :D
long live sega tho
Can't wait for Eggman to make his announcement in the movie
The Trigga man 👧🔫
Sometimes, i feel like this fanbase is cooked.
COOKED
Considering Shadow is voiced by Keanu Reeves in the live action, I can make this comparison.
Maria is basically John wick's dog in the Sonic universe.
@@IJNAoba9-25-26 this is canon now
No one is saying we need to watch her die. Heck if they can properly explain shadows motives without looking her that's fine and dandy. We love the Maria death because she represents something beautiful, frail, yet full of life. We love that she represents a time when Shadow loved something innocent and helpless, which makes us like him. When she dies we sympathize with him even if we don't share his hated of humanity.
It's a shame that since Gerald seems to be alive we may not get my favorite line from him in the game: "all of you ungrateful humans, who took everything away from me, will feel my loss and despair." Because that line also reflects how Shadow felt.
I think it’s weird how 4Kids censored Maria’s death in Sonic X when other cartoon channels show Spider Man’s Uncle Ben death along with Batmans Parents death was shown or mentioned in their cartoon incarnation. Heck, Robins parents were killed in The Batman 2004 cartoon but was tones down by just not showing them plummet to their death on screen.
you know i actually never thought about it like that- but yeah that actually is kinda weird
Because FOC humans in Sonic games, except Eggman, that's why. 😂
This made me think of something.........is Shadow Batman?
@@TB26 FANART NOWWWWWW
I am all of me. I am the ultimate vengeance. I am Batman.
His 2006 iteration was definitely Batman like
He is now
@@mk056 holy shit you’re right
But in the Sonic 3 trailer, Gerald is alive. They had only one job, and they messed up.
@@lks19 may we both huff copium that we atleast get some nods to SA2
To be honest I think Gerald being alive might work in this story, the reason on why they probably brought him back to life it’s to avoid the extremely dark tones of his death like ain’t no way they gonna show a military execution in a children’s movie 💀 the way I can imagine him die it’s probably in the end if he is an antagonist (he probably is)
@@RingsRhythm yeah your spitting facts
@@ColCuts Ngl I think possibly there will be some more characters that might die in the movie (1# Maria ☠️☠️☠️☠️ no questions asked, 2# Between Gerald And Tom (Maybe Both ? The death of Gerald might serve as character development for eggman and shadow but with Tom it’s probably for sonic since these movies were concentrated on his character development….this movie implies that he has grown so I mean if they wanna finalize his character I think Tom’s death will do the job.) 3# Shadow, it’s highly unlikely that he dies but if paramount wants to do more stuff from SA2 to the movie I’m sure it’s a fake out for the fourth movie unless if they got the balls to kill off shadow (HIGHLY UNLIKELY)
@@RingsRhythm for sure fake out shadow death- and a shadow movie spinoff/
i want tom to die- but i don’t know if they got that dog in them
oh thanks man I was literally just wondering about this
@@clownbunniez no problem man
It can be implied, we don't need a scene of it
This is just kinda random... I get the idea but a child getting shot doesn't automatically make a story better, Marias fate is a solid part of the Adventure 2 narrative because it plays into Shadows backstory and motivations, not because its serious. Im all for edgy Sonic but there are better things to be cheering for.
agree! the cheering is crazy! for me, as long as they are even acknowledging more serious story beats like this, i’m happy. i don’t want edgy sonic- just for sonic to not be afraid to takes itself more seriously at times:D
I’ve come to make an announcement
Shadow the hedgehog is a ##### ass mother ######
Ngl my favriote serious sonic game is the shadow game. I love it so mutch
@@LiveAndLearned holy shit me too, i dead ass have never heard anyone with the same take
I had a thought today. Maybe the reason that Maria's death is cheered is because it's something no one would ever do in story telling. I mean think about it. Maria is 12 years old. She has an incurable disease, that's slowly killing her. She's really, really nice. She has blonde hair and blue eyes. She has no superpowers, and she was killed because she was helping Shadow escape the ARK. She was killed because she was doing a good deed. Not to mention she said she hoped she could be cured in time to see the world she loves so much. Any other writer would be too scared to kill off Maria. She'd in some way survive, and Shadow would see her again in a future game having start a family, having a house, and being able to control her NIDS enough that it doesn't take a toll on her. However, SA2 grew a pair, trusted it's audience, showed the scene and flat out says, "MARIA FLIPPING DIES!!!! SLOWLY!!!!! AND PAINFULLY!!!!!" So yeah, it's like you said. Sonic showed an adult situation not by adding nudity, bad language, or unnecessary violence, but by simply showing the audience bad things happen to all people. Even if they are sick, pretty, good, young, and defenseless. People like that can still die unfairly.
sonic stories that take themselves seriously…kinda goated
Aerith: “And I thought I had it rough.”
Gwen Stacy: “Tell me about it.”
The reason you got what you wanted was because you infiltrated the corporation behind your art piece & have the creators at your side.
It’s still Par La Rêve, Pour La rêve, just a tad mmmmm riskier due to the involvement of corporations.
@@Barakon c'est la vie
I always assumed they didn't want a Shadow 06 to happen. We all know how Sonic 06 went down.
Its Shadow's canon event
Yes! Maria is a mistake in this world
So then what's Boom Shadow's origin story?
@@foxtrap86flameboom is a comedy and not meant to be taken seriously
@@Andythesonicfan I think you forget that Boom Shadow nearly destroyed the world by having the two Eggman’s hidden when both can’t coexist in the same universe less the world be destroyed and everything with it.
@@foxtrap86flame fair point
I'm actually more curious how maria's death is gonna be in sonic the hedgehog 3 2024 movie cuz it was a sad moment.
@@Sonicfan2000-j9q “he’s right behind me isn’t he?”- maria standing in front of a gun agent
The Dark Era of Sonic had devastating effects on the mental health of Zoomer Sonic fans.
That's rich coming from the likes of you.....And of course you use the term "Dark Age" unironically
@@yrooxrksvi7142 It's not that serious... I made this comment as a joke actually. Although, would you care explaining the thing you just wrote?
They better give her the Anastasia treatment where they bring her back as an adult and was like yeah I was in hiding. :)
Her dying is an important part of shadows character. He needs to learn to live without her
@@Andythesonicfan you could have that story line and have her cryogenically frozen for 90 years, presumed dead but saved until she can be healed of her injury after medical advances.
Sega didn’t see the realistic and mature themes as a bad thing, they just got new writers and wanted to target towards kids so they can get more fans.
The Black Knight and Unleashed story hate is crazy
@@TTG-37 not hate- those games are actually very charming! i personally just like seeing sonic in SA2 type environments
@ColCuts oh ok
Banger video but also what is the music towards the end of the video? I swear I hear it everywhere
Edit: hold up this was posted two months ago…
@@TheAverageLifeForm Thank you for the support! and the music is “his world (orchestra version from sonic 06)”
and yeah 2 months ago! but it took off outta nowhere
@@ColCuts Thanks!
In shadow the hedgehog I remember that gun was the one who killed maria so i gʻod the dark ending
7:13 that was a perfectly good line. WTF U on?
i can’t lie i catch myself saying “im an optimist but also a realist” wayyyy to much 😭
@ColCuts i meant "no copyright law" thats one of the legit good moments in colors script.
@ aii that’s ones actually kinda funny i’ll give it you ya
If we see Sonic around humans again in the next main line game, they’ll more than likely have a more anime look to them like Sage did in Frontiers. Which would make sense considering that they want to appeal to Japan more.
Also I didn’t hate it, but I never really liked Sonic in a human world with Pixar looking humans. Always felt kinda bland to me, even as a kid
yeah even as a kid i didn’t like the unleashed style- but thought it was sick when sonic would be around real humans in 06 or adventure 1&2.
i’d take a chibi style but as long as its not like unleashed
Fans in their 20s and 30s cheering that their childhood is being respected fail to recognise that they are ruining future generations from experiencing the same tragedy and heartfelt storytelling. Feel free to cheer in private or online but for the love of storytelling please pretend to be sad in the theatres 😭
The thing is,why Gerald Robotnik alive??
trust😤
We don't know the full context of the scene, but I imagine he's alive to facilitate him being the villain. Shadow isn't himself a villain so they instead have him work with Gerald to get revenge for what happened. Gerald eventually reveals he's going to destroy everyone on earth, causing Shadow to switch sides to stop him.
This is of course assuming he's actually alive. Eggman seems surprised to see him so he could've thought he was dead, but it could also be a hallucination or like a cyborg with a Gerald AI.
I am hoping Gerald being included does mean they're going with an adaptation ARK plot. Not sure if they'll blow up half of the moon but that'd be cool to see.
i just wanna say that the fact that people are begging to see maria's die in the third sonic movie and are saying they and are gonna cheer when it happens is a prime example of why the sonic the hedgehog fandom is up there with star wars, Steven universe and my hero academia of being a pathetic and disgusting fandom! as if the erotic fan fictions weren't bad enough XP
P.S. i understand maria's death is a vial part of shadows origin story but the meme's are getting repetitive and that's the joke with my comment
@@17jacoyne yeahhhhh…. definitely hard to admit being a fan at times😭
I'm actually really excited for sonadow generations I wonder if orbot and cubot are gonna be in that game.. technically if they are in the game (shadow half) it'd be the first time they even heard of professor Gerald Maria and black doom that would be really interesting
@@jennypagan6120 never thought about that- i’m interested to see now
@@ColCuts right!? That would be so interesting to see their reactions to shadows backstory and what happened to Maria and Gerald! They HAVE to include this! I would LOVE to see their reactions! Especially since they weren't in frontiers
@@ColCuts also if they bring sage back somehow (they don't have to do it in this game maybe they can do it in the sequal to frontiers) they have to include a scene of sage meeting orbot and cubot that would be ADORABLE!
@@jennypagan6120 the children unite!
@@jennypagan6120GOD NO PLEASE NO NO NO. Why TF would you want these useless unfunny pathetic excuses dragged into a serious story ?
I just wanna see it cause i don’t wanna see it be censored in future remakes like making it pg13 and actually push it to see how dark they can go
exactly, like let the series take itself seriously again!!
We get Maria's death is tragic, but our favorite edgehog, is best in the original iteration, and for that maria has to die.
I actually don't care for Maria tbh.
@@joegomez5463 yeah that’s fair actually
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Hello people 👋
It’s no use!
This’ll end it!!
Oh brother..i have news for you..
@@rongabrielperalta5902 give it to me straight doc
So... it's a meme
This proofs Sonic fans are mental getting hype over someone getting killed who is 12 years old makes the series interesting some how makes me feel sorry for this community Lowkey there other ways to make Sonic dark besides having a 12 year old getting shot
@@SonicZuki real as hell brother- i get why people are excited but i better not have people clapping in my theater when this happens😭
highkey many other ways to include serious story beats- hope we see more of such- and thanks for the comment :)
She gets shot because thats whats established happening. It's not hard to understand. People arent cheering because she gets shot but because it shows respect for pre existing canon.
@@ColCuts Maria's death is not something to clap over, but the fact they seem to be respecting existing lore at least to a significant degree is something to be happy about.
@@zeehero7280 you get it!!
It's moreso a return to form they are celebrating, not child murder
The society is fuck up to the point where they celebrate when some girl DEATH. I am not a sonic fan or even a ps gamer, but the fact that maria death celebration recommended is so piss*ng me off about the truth of this stupid society
Still pretty messed up.
what the hell is wrong with people? ami the only one with humanity? i'm not even human
So you chear at the death of a kid? The fandom is wild💀
not the worst thing sonic fans have done tbh
She's lovely, but she gotta go.
@@santiagoindisguise7289 expeditiously
movie 3 is going to be PG they are not going to show to much
Yeah sorry but just cuz some weird Sonic fans want to see this doesn't mean it's happening.
You aren't going to get a PG Hollywood movie with Jim Carry in it showing a child getting shot to death.
Sonic is cartoony first, that sometimes gets edgy. It was never meant to explore mature themes seriously lol. If you want something that's edge first that sometimes cartoony ask for a DMC movie.
@@-Nine9- 50$ bet
It is literally in the damn trailer
@@icewingthefox9423 talk to em‼️‼️
Now if this was the 90s maybe
This isn't what i expected to be commenting on with this video but 3:58 as someone who has talked multiple people down from suicide there is absolutely nothing wrong with this dialogue. Suicidal people dont need their feelings validated. On the contrary, they need to know that they're making emotionally charged and irrational decisions that could permanently change, or end their lives. You can talk gentler than that, sure, but if you know the person this sort of dialogue is totally fair game.
nothing is ok about this bs.
Cuz woman
easy, the original level sucked ass and was difficult as shit as a kid, so when maria dies, its the end of the level, and my autistic sonic brain gets FLUSHED with dopamine, so every time maria dies, i get a surge of dopamine
@@abstractmuffin7129 you’re actually real as hell for this
:)
6:43 forgot what the video was about until this part
@@Lime-enjoyer LMFAOO- a lot of exposition was needed, i’m still learning the ropes 😭