The thing that always gets me about the edited video is that Kim was a grown woman in her 30s, married WITH A CHILD when she released that video. How do you as a mother to a 3 year old rationalize cyberbullyimg someone on a global scale?
And how do go on record talking about how violating it was for videos of your nude body (which yes, devastating) being leaked and then turn around and applaud/participate with your husband doing essentially the same thing to another woman? Trash behavior from both kanye for creating that trash and the kardashian family for cheering him on.
Absolutely agree. I'm 35, married with no children. I'm lucky if I have enough energy to go do yoga. I don't even have enough emotional shit to even argue with people these days.
I still don't understand why people believed Kim in the first place as if she was a saint before 2016. I instantly knew Kim was not telling the truth considering she's the same person who had a reality show in the first place. Once you are a reality star, there's always three sides to a story - yours, theirs (production's), and the truth. The people who willingly sign a deal for a show on E, MTV, Bravo, Oxygen, etc. are always the most childish and immature.
This is gold. Seeing Ally be the fangirl and you be actually interested in properly listening to her limitless, detailed knowledge. Like, Taylor Swift facts are my ONLY skill in life 😂
I will admit I was not a Taylor fan at that time, I am now, but remembering all the fallout that led to this moment its honestly staggering people believed Kim and Kanye. Both have always been calculated opportunists, but they tried to spin it so people viewed Taylor that way because they were unhappy that she called out his song on the Grammy stage. And many people (tbh including me) believed that Taylor was lying to save face and that this video couldn't possibly have been manipulated. I feel bad for being so harsh towards her for so long and feeding into it all, but what also blows my mind is even after the full video dropped some people just kinda awkwardly shuffle around ignoring that they were wrong or that Taylor deserves an apology. Just admit you were wrong.
taylor deserves the worlds biggest apology. at the time i didn’t even know what was going on or the details of the situation but i remember it just being the norm to hate on her at any opportunity. i remember one time i saw a snake on the ground, pointed at it, and shouted “look! taylor swift!” i still feel terrible
As they say don’t trust a statistic you haven’t manipulated yourself (or audio you haven’t edited) 🤣 I really loved 1989 and honestly i felt like the leaked audio was iffy, Wasn’t that invested, but was very happy when the full audio came out. It matched my gut feeling about the whole sh*t show.
Here’s my unsupported theory. Taylor planned to settle down and have a family with Calvin. She thought that was the age. So she enjoyed her year of hanging out, girl squad, no album plan etc. She explored being a writer for others with songs going to LBM, Sugarland, Calvin and figured she’d keep writing under a pseudonym to have her privacy. Then she got bored and realised she didn’t want the marriage, picket fence, lose your name world. Forgot to tell CH who thought he was being clever saying he wouldn’t work with TS (cos pseudonym)… and planned to propose (maybe even April 29)….. she ghosted…. It’s a fun narrative in my head 😂
I'm watching this video in Dec '23. Its so weird to hear Ally talking about Joe and their relationship knowing it's over and also having heard "You're Loosing Me".
What’s worse about the famous video bodies is that they weren’t deep fakes; they were like animatronic/mannequin things that could breath. He put the whole bed on display at an art gallery as like a “sculpture”
Forget "Glitch" and "High Infidelity". Taylor told us in "Gorgeous" that she was with Joe in a club while Tom was "doing I don't know what". Then proceeds to immediately go into "Getaway Car" about leaving him...immediately into the "salute to me, I'm your American queen" in KoMH. Like how did everyone miss this?
Why did i think Getaway Car was her leaving with Tom from Calvin. When she said "the ties were black, the lies were white, shades of gray in candlelight, i wanted to leave him, i needed a reason." i thought she was describing the met gala and saying that dancing with Tom at the gala was a reason to later leave Calvin. I'm also a recent 2021 swiftie so I'm always trying to understand a lot at once haha
@@bammmitsrachel you’re right. Getaway car is about Tom. He was the getaway car that got her away from Calvin. That’s why she “left him in the motel bar” and “that was the last time he ever saw her” and “said goodbye in a getaway car.” None of those lines make sense for Joe cause she never left him. Edit to add: Now that I reread it, I think you and OP are saying the same thing. She did leave with Tom from Calvin, hence him being a getaway car. But “nothing good starts in a getaway car” and she realized Tom was a rebound but Joe was her person. So the song actually touches on her leaving Calvin and then also her leaving Tom later on. It’s about both.
@@chingmunleong9973 I know Gorgeous is about Joe but she can't be talking about Calvin because she dated Tom in between them. She couldn't have met Joe while dating Calvin.
As much as I love Tom I don't think they broke up just because he was not Joe. For how iconic their poparazzi photos were at the time, it was also when Taylor was trying to stay out of the public eye. He really wanted a more publicized relationship while she didn't. I REALLY think "I did something bad" 's second verse and prechorus is also about him. Like he wanted to do these extravagant things in the public eye and all she wanted to do was hide. He was smitten with his idea of her but never actually her. Over and over she's told us she likes secret relationships and keeping her private life private and he did everything but that when they were together.
100% I think just like how Getaway Car (and a bit in Long Story Short) explains it, she needed someone to "save" her from all the drama and toxicity that she sort of clung to the first person that was treating her well. I don't blame her though with all that was going on in her life and Tom being one of the most charismatic people in Hollywood. Of course running away from her past wasn't working anymore after like a month in and with all the media attention that was picking up on her again from that relationship it just wasn't a good fit. Though I wouldn't say Joe has NOTHING to do with their relationship ending. We've gotten plenty of context from numerous songs about how she has been infatuated with him since they've met and getting to know him over time - and the lifestyle he was living - just made her more drawn to him😂
Based on how Tom's subsequent relationship went, it really doesn't seem like he wanted a public relationship. He quietly married Zawe Ashton and had a baby and it was never a big public affair. He probably just wanted a more official and long term relationship with her and she just didn't. That's not a bad thing, it's just different expectations and it didn't work out. But it doesn't seem like he's ever particularly wanted a publicized relationship.
I’ve only been a Swiftie for a few months and never heard about any of the drama, so I’m always excited whenever Troy talks to someone about it so I can learn haha
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE SOLAR ECLIPSE I swear I thought those were different times in my life but I do indeed remember getting the insta notification for the rollout of the snake posts, screaming in the middle of the hallways and then running out side to see the solar eclipse
I wish she mentioned the I ❤TS shirt Tom wore and how Taylor wore a replica of that in the look what you made me do music video because that was iconic.
Ally said that the thing with Tom hiddleston was that he just wasn't joe, but there was also the fact that he proposed to her after 3 months together, like.... dude!
I remember arguing with my sibling (who was at the time a huge Kanye fan) in 2016, insisting there was probably more going on, stuff we didn't know, etc. I wasn't even much of a Swiftie, though I'd loved 1989. I was vaguely aware of the news when the full call surfaced, but only went to actually look it up recently after going to the Eras tour. I think the most upsetting thing is that she okayed the "might still have sex" line and (seemingly reluctantly) allowed the "made her famous" assertion, because that was Kanye's POV of the events, but she specifically said she had been WORRIED he was going to call her a bitch, and she was relieved he hadn't. BEFORE the final song had been recorded.
omg i've watched all your videos in a spare of a week or so when I discovered your channel, and I've been waiting for you to upload just to discover that you have a second channel 🙏
i love that troy is an anime fan and taylor fan bc i get it soooo much i love when he references one piece or naruto during the videos i crack up eveytime
@@AllySheehan I genuinely screamed when I saw you in the main video. But truly, props to you because I could not have done this so calmly or succinctly 😂
Love your Taylor videos! You should def bring the @swiftologist on for one of your future ones. I know you haven't done 1989 yet and the Taylor's Version is coming out on his birthday!
The amazing eclipse that the U.S. saw in 2017 was on August 21. Two days later, reputation was announced. The eclipse snakes and Taylor's snakes are forever linked in my mind.
That call- it was legally recorded. It was ruled that there was no expectation of privacy while on speakerphone. and that just makes Kim and Ye even worse in terms of how conniving and venomous they are. Just the level of bullying from 30 something parents is insane to me. I'm so glad someone leaked the full version but sad at the timing and that Taylor never fully got the redemption spotlight she deserved and she lost people like Zendaya that so easily cast her off as this villain after all the nonsense kim and ye had already pulled.
DJ lawsuit during that time drew polarizing opinions from the media & public- there was MeToo movement emergence occurring & her Time magazine cover inclusion reaction (?backlash). Court case also delayed album release. Lol, folklore reset her even year new album releases. I think wall art named her as Smith- not Swift. But there was a red carpet lady interviewer (Country) who called her Smith one time.
"Jake Gyllenhaal was a bad boyfriend, John Mayer is a bad man" MY JAW DROPPED
Time stamp?
@@thearcticfoxd8844 14:16
14:20
he is nottttt
@@eduarda4064 sorry didn't ask for your opinion
LMAOOOO ally's reaction when troy said he hadn't listened to 1989 hahahaha... ally was the literal epitome of :O
edit: timestamp is 1:32 for yall :)
This is why Taylor always says stuff along the lines of "Hi, I'm Taylor. [Song name] from this album I made called 1989."😭
Okay but when troy said he hadn't seen troy 😂😂😂
One shot every time Ally includes a TS lyric in the argument... *Dies*
hahaha SO SORRY
@@AllySheehan I loved it and your channel
@@AllySheehan hi ally!
@@AllySheehan I loved it, Ally! And I absolutely love your channel!!🩵🫶🏼✨
I love that Swiftes like Ally and Chats And Reacts are helping him with quick TayLore
I love that it’s called TayLore. That’s so funny
True!!!
and all three have been friends for ages
Wait is there a video with him and Chats and Reacts bc I’d pay moneyyy to see that
@@shuckster_io bonny shows up for a bit on his evermore video
The thing that always gets me about the edited video is that Kim was a grown woman in her 30s, married WITH A CHILD when she released that video. How do you as a mother to a 3 year old rationalize cyberbullyimg someone on a global scale?
And how do go on record talking about how violating it was for videos of your nude body (which yes, devastating) being leaked and then turn around and applaud/participate with your husband doing essentially the same thing to another woman? Trash behavior from both kanye for creating that trash and the kardashian family for cheering him on.
@@kc6420 oh my god i didn’t even think about that fact. i have a whole new type of frustration for her now.
Absolutely agree. I'm 35, married with no children. I'm lucky if I have enough energy to go do yoga. I don't even have enough emotional shit to even argue with people these days.
I still don't understand why people believed Kim in the first place as if she was a saint before 2016. I instantly knew Kim was not telling the truth considering she's the same person who had a reality show in the first place. Once you are a reality star, there's always three sides to a story - yours, theirs (production's), and the truth. The people who willingly sign a deal for a show on E, MTV, Bravo, Oxygen, etc. are always the most childish and immature.
@@jiali369 I totally agree and I don’t think this is noted enough.
This is gold. Seeing Ally be the fangirl and you be actually interested in properly listening to her limitless, detailed knowledge. Like, Taylor Swift facts are my ONLY skill in life 😂
literally tho
literally all the swifties love tom hiddleston. which is proof that he didnt funble the bag 😭😭
I will admit I was not a Taylor fan at that time, I am now, but remembering all the fallout that led to this moment its honestly staggering people believed Kim and Kanye. Both have always been calculated opportunists, but they tried to spin it so people viewed Taylor that way because they were unhappy that she called out his song on the Grammy stage. And many people (tbh including me) believed that Taylor was lying to save face and that this video couldn't possibly have been manipulated. I feel bad for being so harsh towards her for so long and feeding into it all, but what also blows my mind is even after the full video dropped some people just kinda awkwardly shuffle around ignoring that they were wrong or that Taylor deserves an apology. Just admit you were wrong.
taylor deserves the worlds biggest apology. at the time i didn’t even know what was going on or the details of the situation but i remember it just being the norm to hate on her at any opportunity. i remember one time i saw a snake on the ground, pointed at it, and shouted “look! taylor swift!” i still feel terrible
As they say don’t trust a statistic you haven’t manipulated yourself (or audio you haven’t edited) 🤣
I really loved 1989 and honestly i felt like the leaked audio was iffy, Wasn’t that invested, but was very happy when the full audio came out. It matched my gut feeling about the whole sh*t show.
the good thing about him not listening to any of her albums is that it gives us more content here on youtube
Here’s my unsupported theory. Taylor planned to settle down and have a family with Calvin. She thought that was the age. So she enjoyed her year of hanging out, girl squad, no album plan etc. She explored being a writer for others with songs going to LBM, Sugarland, Calvin and figured she’d keep writing under a pseudonym to have her privacy. Then she got bored and realised she didn’t want the marriage, picket fence, lose your name world. Forgot to tell CH who thought he was being clever saying he wouldn’t work with TS (cos pseudonym)… and planned to propose (maybe even April 29)….. she ghosted…. It’s a fun narrative in my head 😂
This could be a hole ass movie 😮😮
Omg even tho I’m a swiftie I will always want to listen to someone else paraphrase history leading up to reputation era😂❤❤❤
We appreciate your effort and hard work on this channel. God bless you.
I'm watching this video in Dec '23. Its so weird to hear Ally talking about Joe and their relationship knowing it's over and also having heard "You're Loosing Me".
well, it's fine cause I'm SO HAPPY THAT MY TRAVY MADE IT TO THE BIG GAME (this is June 2024, night of the 100th eras tour show)
THE CROSSOVER WE NEEDED
What’s worse about the famous video bodies is that they weren’t deep fakes; they were like animatronic/mannequin things that could breath. He put the whole bed on display at an art gallery as like a “sculpture”
Forget "Glitch" and "High Infidelity". Taylor told us in "Gorgeous" that she was with Joe in a club while Tom was "doing I don't know what". Then proceeds to immediately go into "Getaway Car" about leaving him...immediately into the "salute to me, I'm your American queen" in KoMH. Like how did everyone miss this?
Why did i think Getaway Car was her leaving with Tom from Calvin. When she said "the ties were black, the lies were white, shades of gray in candlelight, i wanted to leave him, i needed a reason." i thought she was describing the met gala and saying that dancing with Tom at the gala was a reason to later leave Calvin. I'm also a recent 2021 swiftie so I'm always trying to understand a lot at once haha
@@bammmitsrachel yeah i thought it was about calvin and tom
@@bammmitsrachel you’re right. Getaway car is about Tom. He was the getaway car that got her away from Calvin. That’s why she “left him in the motel bar” and “that was the last time he ever saw her” and “said goodbye in a getaway car.” None of those lines make sense for Joe cause she never left him.
Edit to add: Now that I reread it, I think you and OP are saying the same thing. She did leave with Tom from Calvin, hence him being a getaway car. But “nothing good starts in a getaway car” and she realized Tom was a rebound but Joe was her person. So the song actually touches on her leaving Calvin and then also her leaving Tom later on. It’s about both.
Gorgeous is about Joe and the lyric ‘he’s in the club doing I don’t know what’ refers to Calvin since he’s a DJ.
@@chingmunleong9973 I know Gorgeous is about Joe but she can't be talking about Calvin because she dated Tom in between them. She couldn't have met Joe while dating Calvin.
Ummm, is it a coincidence that we have NEVER seen Ally's glasses and Troy's glasses in the SAME ROOM?!!!? I think NOT!
This is the collab I didn’t know was coming but am grateful for
As much as I love Tom I don't think they broke up just because he was not Joe. For how iconic their poparazzi photos were at the time, it was also when Taylor was trying to stay out of the public eye. He really wanted a more publicized relationship while she didn't. I REALLY think "I did something bad" 's second verse and prechorus is also about him. Like he wanted to do these extravagant things in the public eye and all she wanted to do was hide. He was smitten with his idea of her but never actually her. Over and over she's told us she likes secret relationships and keeping her private life private and he did everything but that when they were together.
100% I think just like how Getaway Car (and a bit in Long Story Short) explains it, she needed someone to "save" her from all the drama and toxicity that she sort of clung to the first person that was treating her well. I don't blame her though with all that was going on in her life and Tom being one of the most charismatic people in Hollywood. Of course running away from her past wasn't working anymore after like a month in and with all the media attention that was picking up on her again from that relationship it just wasn't a good fit.
Though I wouldn't say Joe has NOTHING to do with their relationship ending. We've gotten plenty of context from numerous songs about how she has been infatuated with him since they've met and getting to know him over time - and the lifestyle he was living - just made her more drawn to him😂
Based on how Tom's subsequent relationship went, it really doesn't seem like he wanted a public relationship. He quietly married Zawe Ashton and had a baby and it was never a big public affair. He probably just wanted a more official and long term relationship with her and she just didn't. That's not a bad thing, it's just different expectations and it didn't work out. But it doesn't seem like he's ever particularly wanted a publicized relationship.
I just want you to know I literally paused the video on the main channel to watch this🤣🤣🤣🤣
Same!!!
This was such a fun conversation to watch
So glad I stopped and watched this before the full reaction video
The vibes are here and I’m lovin it
I’ve only been a Swiftie for a few months and never heard about any of the drama, so I’m always excited whenever Troy talks to someone about it so I can learn haha
You should bring on theswiftologist!! He’s the KING of Taylor lore
Obsessed with you pulling Ally into this.
i think ally is pulling him into this 😂
I love these types of vids! hope this is more common with other albums
it's such a romantic and vulnerable album ❤
OMGGG ALLY AND TROY!!! two of my fav youtubers
I COMPLETELY FORGOT ABOUT THE SOLAR ECLIPSE I swear I thought those were different times in my life but I do indeed remember getting the insta notification for the rollout of the snake posts, screaming in the middle of the hallways and then running out side to see the solar eclipse
I wish she mentioned the I ❤TS shirt Tom wore and how Taylor wore a replica of that in the look what you made me do music video because that was iconic.
Ally said that the thing with Tom hiddleston was that he just wasn't joe, but there was also the fact that he proposed to her after 3 months together, like.... dude!
your mom’s ring in your pocket, my picture in your wallet???
OMG! 🤯💍🥂
I love the vibe between you two.
❤
Would love more of this 💕
Love that you released this conversation with Ally
Omg this is the collab I didn't know we needed!
Troy I think you would LOSE IT at Hamilton 👀
Loved this collaboration! Well done. ❤
Thank you for educating us, Ally!
I absolutely love Ally! Her channel is amazing.
I remember arguing with my sibling (who was at the time a huge Kanye fan) in 2016, insisting there was probably more going on, stuff we didn't know, etc. I wasn't even much of a Swiftie, though I'd loved 1989. I was vaguely aware of the news when the full call surfaced, but only went to actually look it up recently after going to the Eras tour.
I think the most upsetting thing is that she okayed the "might still have sex" line and (seemingly reluctantly) allowed the "made her famous" assertion, because that was Kanye's POV of the events, but she specifically said she had been WORRIED he was going to call her a bitch, and she was relieved he hadn't. BEFORE the final song had been recorded.
Okay wait...I love this Collab idea! Pleeeaaaseee Collab with Swiftologist because that would be hilarious to see you two kiki!
Omg 2:25, Ally was about to throw hands if he answered wrong 😂
AHHHH THE COLLAB I NEVER KNEW I NEEDED 😍💙💙💙
Greetings from Germany! You had done my Sunday!:) Keep the good work.
LOVE THIS! Cuties collab 🥰
100% agree with Ally’s perspective on TS boyfriends in the MCU ❤
okay okay this is the collab i didn’t know i needed ahhhhhh 🤍
Can't wait for his reaction!!! Omg
Can't wait for the rep tracks reaction!
omg i've watched all your videos in a spare of a week or so when I discovered your channel, and I've been waiting for you to upload just to discover that you have a second channel 🙏
Taylor and Tom looked like a James Bond movie😍🥹
LOVE this DUO
OMG MY WORLDS ARE COLLIDING ALLY AND TROY I LOVE THIS SO MUCH ♥♥♥
Thank you for introducing me to ally ! Taylor led me to both of y’all !
Omg I love Ally! Love that you brought her on for this! ❤
Getaway car is iconic
Everyone loves Taylor Lautner but Tom Hiddleston doesn't get enough love
Love all of these videos! You should invite the Swiftologist on to do one of these!
Two of my fave creators!!! Do more videos together please!! ❤❤❤
i love that troy is an anime fan and taylor fan bc i get it soooo much i love when he references one piece or naruto during the videos i crack up eveytime
I wish this conversation was an hour long!
I want more of these videos y'all are the perfect duo 😂😊l
You should bring the swiftologist on next time. much love, your patron ❤️
I CANT FOR REPUTATION ITS COMINGG
The crossover event of the century.
Troy you missed so much! A great video. :)
so ready!!!!!
There's this rumour that Tom proposed to Taylor and she just wasn't on the same page.
Omg champagne problems???
fav duo
Ally killed it with this
thank you!!!
@@AllySheehan I genuinely screamed when I saw you in the main video. But truly, props to you because I could not have done this so calmly or succinctly 😂
Never the entire world. I would never stop being a fan. ❤
Ok but when troy said "SHE TREATED THE INTERNET LIKE THE INTERNET " LIKE WTFF COOL🦋🦋🦋
This is hilarious to watch someone learn about all of this in live-time. I thought everyone knew this due to the news/internet/lyrics 😂
I loved the Naruto reference, Troy
I love your harry potter style glasses alley
HOW IS THIS THE FIRST TIME IVE HEARD OF THE MUSIC VIDEO PART WHATTT IVE ONLY HEARD OF THE LYRICS
lov both...great video 🙌
Ally! Fav Aussie and swiftie 💗💗
AHHHH SCREAMING ITS TWO OF MY FAVESS
I will be patiently awaiting your 1989 reaction
god you really had to be there when taylor started posting the snake videos and “ready for it…?”promos 🙏🙏💅🏻😎
10:15 Taylor eclipsed the eclipse!
My two babies ❣️
can you please bring on the swiftologist because he has many interesting things to say about Taylor Swift too
Now we want 1989!!
Finally !!!!!
Yes can't wait
Love your Taylor videos! You should def bring the @swiftologist on for one of your future ones. I know you haven't done 1989 yet and the Taylor's Version is coming out on his birthday!
15:55 💀
Ally is the best!!
The amazing eclipse that the U.S. saw in 2017 was on August 21. Two days later, reputation was announced. The eclipse snakes and Taylor's snakes are forever linked in my mind.
HT: my 5’8” ass is crying
Ally: my 5’5” ass
Me: fully grown in my 30s and 5’2” 😆
That call- it was legally recorded. It was ruled that there was no expectation of privacy while on speakerphone. and that just makes Kim and Ye even worse in terms of how conniving and venomous they are. Just the level of bullying from 30 something parents is insane to me. I'm so glad someone leaked the full version but sad at the timing and that Taylor never fully got the redemption spotlight she deserved and she lost people like Zendaya that so easily cast her off as this villain after all the nonsense kim and ye had already pulled.
my 2 favorites
DJ lawsuit during that time drew polarizing opinions from the media & public- there was MeToo movement emergence occurring & her Time magazine cover inclusion reaction (?backlash). Court case also delayed album release. Lol, folklore reset her even year new album releases. I think wall art named her as Smith- not Swift. But there was a red carpet lady interviewer (Country) who called her Smith one time.
Aw Ally is the one who turned me into a T Swift fan haha love her vids
You are honorable
Ally is my fave!!!
Archer is a good explanation for alot of ppl
here from reputation premiere :o
I GOT THE NARUTO REFERENCE BRO DW anytime u make an anime reference I scream cos who would think those two world would collide
Fortunately I'm a fan of anime and Taylor Swift, so I understood the Naruto reference- Taylor's Shadow Clones!
I got the Naruto reference, king. TSwift using shadow clone jutsu 😆