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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 28 ก.ย. 2024
- I really enjoy Wuthering Waves, but why did they have to remove the Story & RPG Elements trying to appease a specific group of Beta Testers? If you watch the CBT gameplay vs the Release you will see that the entire story was removed and replaced with the mundane filler that we received. I understand CBT wasn't perfect, but a world in a state of emergency and you drop out of the sky sucking up echoes, I think they have a right to be weary of you! I truly hope Kuro Games can revamp the story in the upcoming patches. I think combat is amazing and overall the game is great, but I think this was a mistake, do you?
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CBT : it looked too dark ! The story is bad I don’t like girls hating me !
Release : I wanted the world to look more dark ! I liked the direction of the CBT story ! I want it back !
Kuro : man wtf
You just can't win
except the people who wanted it to be dark never switched their opinion. so this doesnt even work. one are babies the others wanted a non genshified story.
Its tough because Kuro wants to please everyone. BUT I don't care how much color and saturation you throw at the world, at its core its a dark, dangerous place that we transform over time and quests. So the story starting off dark makes sense then building up to redemption etc. I feel like there was a balance that could have been achieved but they went full 180 and it just feels out of place.
There was actually a divide about the story iirc cause some did like that kind of storytelling.
to be honest, the CN players actually ask for a slight change to make our rover to be just slightly more respectable.
in cbt1, our boy got treated like a sack of sh*t even after doing good things. imagine naruto pain arc but instead of the village start liking naruto after he saves them, they dont change their opinion on naruto and still hate him, which is really unreasonable.
the CN player ask for a slight change, but instead kuro for some reason change all of it, which also makes most of CN player become dissastified about it. like, they ask for a slight change, but got a rework that is actually worse that the original.
this is why devs shouldn't give CBT players a golden key because frankly, gamers are stupid.
in the release we got so much missing context.
- Crownless feels like a one off boss that has nothing to do with us
- Scar's attempt to recruit us feels pointless because at that point, everyone is nice to us, why would we consider Scar's persuasion?
- It doesn't make sense why Rover is somewhat have interest in yangyang
- who the fuck is yuanwu? we never met him and suddenly he's helping us?? Shouldn't that be Sanhua?
Exactly! When I saw Yuanwu come out and say "Im going to save everyone" like tf you are where did you come from and who let grandaddy in here 🤣 to be fair they did Papasmacks (Yuanwu) dirty he deserves his own back story. What really got to me was Yangyang and the massive disconnect. The later story making her seem really important meanwhile all we have done is talk and banter for 4 acts lol
Well, Scar did say that everyone is nice to us because they know we are important and they want us on their side, but I agree with everything you said.
I was so confused when Yuanwu randomly showed up lol
first time Yuanwu appeared not only was i confused why he is suddenly here but also why he is so fucking ugly compared to the promo art
We lost SO MUCH lore and story back during CBT1 because of the change. Here’s some notable ones I remember:
- Crownless was supposed to be our Vergil. He’d be back and fight us stronger as we do too.
- Calcharo appears in the story ACTUALLY. His shadow TD is actually his brother in the afterlife watching over him. He's also tied to the Feilian Beringal boss as well.
- Aalto and Encore have separate introductions.
- Camellya used to be Chun and is actually one of the very first characters revealed for the game.
- Encore actually has ties to Scar.
- Yinlin is tied to the Mourning Aix.
- We actually could’ve had flashbacks about Rover being from/reincarnated from an advanced civilization.
- Jiyan actually accompanied you as early as going to meet Jinhsi and stick with you to the end.
- Lampylumen Myriad is actually a TD made out of souls clinging to life, not unlike what the Thundering Mephis in the current story.
😮 that's a good lore very good story writing
I know some of this, but not all of it. The couple of Tech/CBT players I spoke with all have different bits of information. This is great! Thank you.
HOW DO WE BRING THIS BACK
@@mrchubzdathird5449 Start by making Crownless a threat again.
Calcharo?!?!? Encore!!!!? Jiyan??!?!! All of my favorite characters and more that we could've loved, stripped from screentime becauss what!!!!
Kuro really needs to release CBT to other regions, not the the CN because they’re not just the ones playing, but everyone
It's sad that Kuro had to bend to politics once again in gaming. I guess Monsters vs Humans somehow conveys "waifus get beat" lol
CBT1 released for everyone. Not only CN.
CBT story looks much more mature. Can we have it back please?
I wholeheartedly agree, it matched the aesthetic and more mature style perfectly!
Kinda sad the world doesn't like that
@@Emptiness771 fr cn community crying abt it coz of how yangyang got slammed by the crownless
@@aokix5199 CN players want ML (meaning Master Love , Harem etc) . The CBT story started off with the girl cast being Hostile towards us . And well , you know what happened next
i second!
So that's why yangyang got the long-drawn solo flashback during the dreamless fight. That came out of nowhere lmao.
My exact reaction 😆
Dude Crowless was the real Victim here, Such downgrade for a suposed rival, every good thing was lost because CN was bitching about how all the characters distrust the Rover... an actual unknow person in the middle of state of emergency... such a lost.
MAKE CROWLESS GREAT AGAIN!
#makecrownlessgreatagain
This. I'm glad I'm not alone in this.
yea dude. crownless was just like igris here truly badass.
I hope Crownless make a comeback in the future…
@@justnocttake it to the r/wutheringwaves
That's true, remember the final chapter 1 ''defending the town?''
A random gacha character appear without proper story is there whom we almost have no relation whatsoever and during the mc fight against the final boss , Yuanwu appear during his flashback. Like who tf is Yuanwu to you? why these secret organization of black flower suddenly becoming your friend in less than a chapter .
it's like they're firing a great scriptwriter and hired a 12 years old instead.
I made this exact point about Yuanwu saying "I'm going to protect everyone" like who tf are you. Same with blackshores org being rushed with Aalto and Encore. I feel like there was an amazing story in place and we lost it.
@@justnoct Fr dude I feel like Aalto and encore were supposed to have us go deeper into the CSC facility and find some crazy researchers or
researcher-machine abominations and have us go into the “false portal” the researchers went into then we try to neutralize it but something goes wrong and THEN we fight the mecha abomination. That or we were supposed to explore more CSC facilities. Like the side quest where we fight the morning aix could’ve been a main quest with Aalto, Encore, AND the scientist
With Yuanwu I feel like he should’ve been introduced MUCH earlier. Like we definitely could’ve had as the one that runs the simulation training because he runs a boxing gym. Or he could’ve had us go with him to fight some extremely powerful exile group that is terrorizing his gym or his students
@@echo3568 Bro your last idea is soo good! Hell yeah boxing gym on the SIM would have been fantastic!
@@justnoct Ty man🙏
@@echo3568 Yuanwu? More like YOU ARE WHO?!
Personally, I like the flow of how the tutorials were done in the final game (at least gameplaywise) but that original storyline in CBT1 would've added more to the characters. And them not trusting you and questioning your origins would add more weight when we get to that scene with Scar. It would've given us reason to at least consider the things he said. My only hope is that Kuro would reuse some of those story elements in future arcs cause it's really a shame we didn't get that CBT1 story. I personally wouldn't care if the story took too long if it was that interesting.
being hostile is good but still getting hated after doing nothing but good things is worse, that is what cbt1 tester complained.
they didnt complain that rover is hated in the beginning, they complain that, even after bunch of quest and helping those in jinzhou and doing nothing but good things, rover are still getting treated like a sack of sh*t. thats what they are complaining about, and want kuro to slightly change the story, but instead, they change the WHOLE story to be something unrealistic.
@@AdamBlob I probably worded my original comment poorly but I was mostly talking about that lead up to the Crownless fight and a few stuff up till you get to Jizhou cause I really haven't seen the story after that. Some of those elements would make the story in the final game make a bit more sense. (That's what I think at least)
I'm still ok with the final story cause it has its high points. I do hope though that Kuro will use some of the elements in the original story in later arcs.
@@AdamBlob If what you're saying is true then yeah, they went way too far in the other direction. Because I'm coming in wondering why EVERYONE trusts Rover so much with decisions, their lives, the lives of everyone in the city and the fate of the nation itself? Like Jiyan, why are you leaving it all to Rover who you don't know at all?
@@NonstopNoah ya, i know right? kuro should have fix the story juuuuuuust a bit, not like 90% of it
@@AdamBlob Oh that's not half bad then, it really was Kuro's fault at that point. I've been told that the Chinese players didn't want any type of hate from the girls at all but looks like I should have done my own research before running with it
The thing you said about an echo chamber changing the whole game for everybody, FACTS. That's what pisses me off. I almost had my perfect game. And these ppl ruined it. Everything was a blur until reverse rain; you should be hooked 1st chapter. Scar shouldn't be the first time you get interested in the game?? I read some comments about it, and people say it's kuro's fault for 360ing, yea, but if they weren't pissy about chixia's gun moment, they wouldn't have gotten scared. I finished the main story, but it still feels empty, like nothing happened. If cbt 1 happened, the stakes and tone would've been set for 2 and chp. 3. It's too positive, not gritty for an apocalypse.
I appreciate that you understand where I was coming from and you nailed what I was thinking with this comment!
Wait bruh we actually got robbed xjsjxjsjx
The CBT story was so gooood
Especially with how baizhi and chixia reacted to rover
Its so tense and it felt so realistic and gritty
I agree, the new version lacks the stakes that cbt had.
One thing I don't see people discussing that I think is huge is the actual introduction of characters and phraseology before the crownless fight too...
In CBT: You're introduced 1 character at a time and 1 game term at a time. You meet Yangyang first, there's some clear instability of the environment as rocks tumble and shift that gives you a feeling you should be moving and you're introduced to 'Tacet Discords' and then they add each of the trio and a term as you go along without being too intrusive.
In Release? Chixia and Yangyang together right off the bat and in one of the opening sentences they mention etheric sea, tacet discords and something else all back to back with no explanation / clear connection and you're told it's dangerous but the environment doesn't seem threatening.
The new opening is just too packed with random world stuff and chinese names all at the same time, while it was originally all spaced out in a more digestible stream.
Funny I actually addressed this in my last video about the New Player Experience needing work and got absolutely lambasted by dislikes 😅
@@justnoct Ah, when I say I don't see it discussed, I meant more that the CBT version actually did the pacing out of terms and introductions well. I figured the actual flaws with the release start were well known and you do seem to cover them fairly well, plus it's fairly common to comment on the actual story stuff :D
As for the dislikes? No idea why you got hit with those. Sometimes the algorithm gives and sometimes it takes, I guess? :o
I felt so ROBBED when I randomly came across this masterpiece on tiktok
Literally this is why the first few quests are so slow
WTF WHY THEY REMOVED IT THAT LOOKED AMAZING
ppl said story is shitty, so Kuro think ppl dont like it and have to rewrite 90%, turns out maybe its just hater.
@@nguyenquanghung2344Not people, Chinese Community
They need to return to the mature story telling cutscenes, it suits the lore and world vibe they built.
crownless was the reason I got super hyped for Wuthering Waves and it's sad that my hyped part got changed this much. Well what's done is done I hope Kuro can learn from this and give us better story.
Agreed, Gotta Keep Moving Forward ->
@@justnoct is the whole cbt-1 story on youtube?
i heard that CN was VERY mad about having allot of people be so hostile to Rover in this story, to the point were they were pretty much forced to change the story (thats what i heard about it idk)
Yeah this is starting to add up, between this and reports of players complaining that "female" units were getting trashed I'm not surprised Kuro fell to the Politics...
@@justnoct Goddamn it this is story writing not real life ffs.
@@justnoct Which is odd because literally the first thing that happens in PGR is Alpha shows up and decimates your entire team. Literally cutting Lucia to pieces and impaling her with her own sword.
It's pretty much exactly why Alpha is the most iconic character in the game. I'm not sure on CN response, but I do not think it was like this. Makes me feel like the CN they were listening to were the loudest members of another community.
@@justnoct Nah cause it makes more sense for the mc to be so much more powerful than them because like “wow that’s why they are the mc” like if you don’t like seeing the “female” units getting trashed then play female rover or something 😂
I completely agree with you and you earned a new subscriber🙏
It was continued hostility after doing hundred of fetch quests and despite everyone working with Rover to save the town, continued to. It's been revealed many CN players requested the story to be revised, not reworked...
Tbh I think Kurogame does a lot of things drastically.. during CBT2, camera was fine but janky (too much shaking and lag follow). During release, they said they fix it but it became worst (auto change direction, random worm view, stuck to wall) as if they chose to redo the whole camera system. The subtitles were also changed from CBT2 and those only needed small alteration regarding npc localized name, not the whole lines.
edit* Note but I would not deny there were likely a large number of CN Incel in beta testing that made themselves loud.
Bro, we need another five star because the story
🤣
Wuwa compensation 🤑
For real
Maybe they can still explain rover past self in future story, but i guess they go from the summon route isekai story instead of time travel storyline where in cbt1 rover literally time travel back in time, ngl i miss the CBT1 login ost from vanguard and CBT1 crownless
Oh don't get me started on what happened to the music! Vanguard needs to come back and soon! They really need to revamp the beginning. Completely change it I don't care. New players deserve a well written story with that amazing music!
They need to rehire the old writers or if they still working, tell them to be confident, it's ok to write things a bit edgy and traumatic, we are not kids and they do not need to copy genshin.
Though this is probably quite late for the intro chapter to be changed, honestly idk how they can replace the current story with many people gonna wanna redo the beginning if it were the case.
Maybe this entire thing could be replicated in another city/country where they do not trust Rover at first sight idk.
They can still do some flashbacks that bring up the cutscenes we missed later on
The only things I think the devs can do if they cannot change anything is fix the voiceacting for Yangyang/Chixia/Baizhi and redo the dialogue so it is better understood than a bunch of "sciencey" terms
Tbh I would just wanna see them try changing the intro even if we old players cannot see it ourselves anymore.
At least that would lure in newer players and give some justice for Yangyang and Chixia because people HATE those characters, some even hope Yangyang would perish during Act 6 where she leaves to buy us time because they think she's annoying.
It's sad, really
This is my thinking exactly. Fix the beginner experience. Completely re-write it idc. Give us a flash back quest to experience it or w.e, but right now Chixia and Yangyang are hated, when in realty and in the original writing they were badass!
@@justnoct Better if we ask the community or at least as many players as possible to write feedback on this to Kuro.
Kuro may not be able to change the intro story because they should be busy pumping out 1.2 and 1.3 patches and no longer have the capacity to redo old animations and voicelines.
But at least they would feel more confident about their talents, that their initial route was correct and they don't need to hesitate to go against the norms now.
I feel the changes in story happened because this time Kuro wanna make WuWa by themselves, flying solo.
Probably they were scared they would get bankrupted should the game fail and so gave in to any feedbacks in hope to gain more success which ends up backfire on them.
It's good if Kuro could manage to redo it, but we shouldnt blame them too much if they could not.
@@lazycat836 That's a great response and I agree wholeheartedly. Ill try to promote people fill out the survey and provide feedback!
@@justnoct I already filled my survey but Ill write to Kuro with the feedback feature tmr.
Whether they would actually read it and take it seriously is a different story.
But like most things in life, you never know till you give it a try, right?
@@lazycat836where do you fill in the survey? I want to help
crownless was an absolute beast in the cbt
I like Rover's design and bad ass moments in the cut scenes but man every time Rover is involve the story becomes 40% glaze fest at minimum. No development whatsoever haha if you see a character talks to Rover you'd know that the relationship will automatically be that character glazing Rover. That's why my favorite parts of the story are those that highlights other characters' relationship/dynamic with each other cause suddenly they'd have a personality again
i just realized Chixia says Crownless is of the Elite class when it's Overlord.
He evolves with your story progression in the old story.
I agree with you bro. this needs to be voiced out.
🙏
Ummm CN isnt a "small voice" they are a huge part of the beta testers, the biggest server and current player base and lets not forget 🐳
But still the beta testers is a small number compared to the overall player population bruh
@@oussemamenthole2586do remember that Kuro is a small company, last time they worked at what could be described as "a locked down restaurant", and only moved to a new one not long ago. Even small, every penny counts, and that's also why they couldn't take as much risks as they could.
More like a bunch of lames
Holy crap I love this dark and serious story. Really hope something like this can release in the future where there’s some hostility towards rover instead of him acquiring a harem so easily
I'm hoping 1.1 brings back some of the darker side to Wuthering Waves!
watch them do this with male characters while the female ones fawn over the mc
They really need to bring this intro back, like i don't care if i already finished the story quest, this intro is a million times better than what we currently have and this is what i wish i saw and wish every new player to see when playing the game for the first time.
honestly
them being sceptical and questioning your existance seems much more valid and more interesting character development wise
but i suppose having vanilla (soft/light story telling) is the safest way over all
I think you nailed it there!
The problem was how hostile everyone was.
Mortefi wanted to experiment on you.
Jihnsi gave the ok.
Sanhua wanted you dead.
Chixia was going to shoot you.
There were other things in the story to add to this on top of rhe npcs being hella cruel/weary of you.
Then the straw that broke the camels back:
Lingyang bragging about him killing inferno rider then telling you "why are you still here" despite being the one who weakened him.
Yeah... the story was leading in the direction of you joining scar and in CN you cant play as a villain by law.
I mean that's fine. We dropped out of the sky. Defeated and undefeated enemy and then ate the Crownless echo with our hand. Yeah that all makes sense. Experiment on the alien. Be weary of the alien. Don't trust the alien. And then a redemption arc to bring you into favor. Honestly whose to say we aren't the bad guy? We're probably the world ending calamity with a rabbit paimon...
@@justnoct Continue bitching and moaning bud 😭😭
@@justnoct Tales of the Abyss also start with your character being a total a*s who are thought of as a nuisance by everyone, until later he did something so bad that the party literally broke up. But later on he redeemed himself and slowly getting the trust from your other party members. Younger people today just want everything handed to them on a silver platter.
What makes genshin so good despite it's horrible treatment to their players is because of their care for the story of the game, and the music.
Kuro failed to realize that their story is as important as gameplay, and removed it. Yeah the game is amazing, I love it more than genshin currently, but it doesn't give me that feeling which genshin was able to give me when i first started the game because the story feels empty, That is why I still come back to genshin when a new update comes out without needing to pull for new characters.
Really popular and successful games that remains in relevance for years are games with actual story in it. Take dmc for example. Sure many people play the game because it's fighting system is great, but the story was the reason why players still come back to it.
I'm not saying wuwa is a bad game, in fact its the game I spend the most time on currently. I'm just saying it would be way better if their vision was kept and the game makes us come back to see how the story goes alongside with new interesting characters.
its because of the chinese kids whose playing too much of genshin they dont want a loosing side of the heroes and they dont want the MC to be a suspicious person they want more buddy buddy eventhough u just saw each other a few seconds ago they all have this PROTAGONIST SYNDROME hahaha and they all feel like they are the MC that they are playing they cant separate games to reality.
they should stick to genshin we dont need them here. they just ruined it
@@reisaizel4562 i 100% agree
They literally ruined it wtf
@@yumikokowachi7200 they should blame those kiddies that the story turned bad. when the good part of it was already there in the first place just a bit more polishing. sigh
@@reisaizel4562 yeah it was more realistic when u dont 100% trust a suspicious person just fell out of the sky or came out of nowhere thats why chixia is aware and had her gun in mc's head it was totally understandable and obviously the right thing to do especially when u got into trouble bcoz of this person or some abnormalities happen when they show up people must be aware everytime since they are in a catastrophic phase on their own world. and yet this KIDS keep yapping " oh i dont like when they are rude to MC they should all be friends " like WTH you guys are the first one to die if we got some catastrophic happenings.
This is the result of you guys feedback.
I mean I appreciate that you think I could have any impact or sway on what Kuro does, but select regions were in CBT and I had no feedback against this story.
2:24 Never forget that Jiyan, the general asked Rover, who's suffered memory loss military strategies and Rover was supposed to answer correctly. Rover(s) doesn't know their past but somehow is authorized to lead an amy out of Jinzhou and can think better or on par with a general who's had the job for a long time. Makes sense chief
Exactly! Missing so much inbetween.
Maybe if there was a hybrid of Release and in CBT. Where early story happens in CBT however it then shifts to Jinhsi's message to where Baizhi will act maturely and Chixia would feel guilty and have a strained relationship with Rover. Their relationship would be fixed with a story quest of helping others and fighting against TDs with Chixia. During Chixia's quest, she then explains her side and says sorry. So they both start over and become friends.
I placed it like this because of Scar's message of Rover being someone important, thus being respected, but also Rover would be suspected for maybe being a danger to others by Chixia and Baizhi (who are on guard) until Jinhsi's message of Rover's importance.
Also I don't know what Reputation points do, so maybe the NPCs are scared of Rover early on (because trusted by the Magistrate but is afraid of the danger Rover may bring), however, as Rover increase their Reputation points, NPCs slowly trust Rover
In the beginning , I agree that the CBT opening was way better than that of Release . However , the story afterwards in CBT was WAY worst than what we got in Release
I know bits and pieces, but from what I saw/read Calcharo gets introduced we find out more about TDs and the black shores had ties to the fracidus etc. They could have melded the two but to see how Yuanwu just gets randomly added and we go from 0-100 in Act6 I know it had potential writing in there.
@@justnoctoh yea I just realized I finished the main story and most of the side quests and haven’t seen Calcharo or Danjin at all. And Yuanwu should’ve definitely been running the simulated training thing since he literally runs a boxing gym
To be honest...i haven't seen all of the story of CBT1 but if they say the story of CBT1 was bad then what is this story mess now? From what i have seen it was way more interesting, darker, mysterious and its story was far more mature with realistic character behavior. I've played a lot of stories and i'm one of those players who is really into world and character lore. But this mess is so badly written ... you can actually feel that they rewrote this story in a hurry. It's really disappointing because, knowing Kuro, i really hoped to see a much more mature game...but this story is just a happy go lucky children story without any soul or uniqueness.
@@foolhd7760 yea if they made a mix of the old and new story then that would’ve been perfect but they rushed it to make the deadline😔
First time seeing this cut scene from cbt and absolutely love it. I won't be able to watch release version anymore. It's like if somebody walked into Kuro's office and said: "this scene is too cool, make it worse"
😆 exactly
Something that i noticing too, the soundwave iconography. A lot of the topics characters bring up have to do with waves and frecuencies and stuff, this was completely lost on release. They dump a lot of information but your brain has no imagery to link it to. I get it, if you pay attention an read you can tell the theme but for many it would have been easier if they have kept the iconography in and the fight was awesome and Crownless is legitimately scary, i guess they cut it out because all of the characters getting their ass kicked are female characters maybe?
I wish more people with this mindset watched my last vid. I made most of these points and got absolutely dislike bombed haha. Its so true!
They speak!?
Bruh TDs can talk???
I need to talk with my biker dude about what he's really capable of on that flamin hell hog
😂
They're just shy give them some time haha
I had no idea what overclocking was until I watched this video
That's why I made the vid!
I had no idea that so much story had been dropped completely. I love the game so far but not for the story. Seeing this however.....wow....I want that experience now.
I remember seeing a fake leaker in Twitter, saying that the mc was supposed to be scared and nervous and even though it’s fake, I’m more invested in this MC then the one we have now 💀
I’m so mad now 😂😭 this is way better
2:36 rover's faccial expression here is so fucking good, now we have none of this
The anger, the drive for revenge. Now we have soft core cheerleaders.
I really hope people want this as much as we do. Cause this looks so much better, the one and only complaint I even have with the game is that the story and voice acting is lackluster, but I was just thinking "oh it's fine, I shouldn't expect perfection" But seeing this, it was so good. If the testers were right in saying that the Rover is hated on too much for too long, they should have only changed later story, this part seems perfect to me, just some animation touch ups needed.
Seeing how good Kuro is at listening to the community, I do have a bit of hope for it being fixed. Not that I am seriously expecting them to go as far as polishing this stuff and completely redoing the story from the start. But I hope they can at least manage to transition from what we have now into what they had going before, but only half way, since the big complaint was the whole rover being hated for so long thing.
As someone who played pgr i can pretty much tell that cbt1 was how they WANTED to showcase the Crownless fight, seeing how goated the animations back then were compared to release. Especially the animations of rover absorbing crownless was so much better
Agreed
Yeah I was lost at the start of the story didn't know what was going on until when Scar showed up. Everything after that is great! I don't remember Genshin having tons of details like in wuwa, I got more immersion in this game felt like I was in the game
I personally prefer the launch story, and it all boils down to two things.
1. People had nowhere near enough time to actually care about Chixia, YangYang, and Baizi for Crownless beating them down to really have an emotional impact.
I know it makes Crownless more threatening, but from a PURELY writing standpoint, it would make more sense for such a threatening presence to arrive later on in the story, when we've had time to actually get to know these characters enough to have *some* level of emotional attachment.
2. Crownless speaking actually messes with lore quite a bit, as no tacet discord we have met, not even the THRENODIAN we have fought actually have spoken. The only time we see them doing something that could POSSIBLY result in speech was during Jiyan's companion quest, BUT those tacet discords had consumed human memories, and were purely reenacting what those memories entailed.
I can understand people wanting a darker storyline, and I do as well. However, I'd rather have a calm before the storm type situation, where we can actually care about these characters we are seeing have terrible things happen to them.
But, other than that, I'm just excited to see what the future will bring to the story, and I hope that 1.1 is the starting point of something great.
From a PURELY writing standpoint if you played the game and finished the story so far you can see we still could not care less about the characters since the story was rushed asf and crownless still had no threatening presence at all. Jiyan with his backstory with Geshu Lin was the most interesting part. Crownless speaking would probably not mess with the lore we could have had...it only messes with the present lore, since it was changed if you didn't notice the entire point of the video. We didn't have 'the calm before the storm' we had a mess of a plot, confusing and broken with meaningless dialogues and a weak climax. I do hope, like you, that 1.1 is the staring point of something great because really...the actual start was not great at all.
@tatianabreves3894 I have completed the entire story that has been released, just so you're aware.
I understand that it was rough, but I enjoyed it (i simply enjoy seeing stories, period), and I know that probably makes me the minority.
As for my point about crownless, all I was saying is that the cutscene, while, yes, it looked awesome, I simply cannot see it as anything more than a throwaway for the CURRENT story. Yes, it does give some sort of stakes, but it's too early to care about characters yet.
We don't know what the original TD lore would have been, and they could have let crownless tier enemies capable of speech. But then how do you make things MORE threatening from there? Make then entire characters with voicelines? Let them destroy entire towns? I just can't see a way to scale off of that, purely in terms of their level of threat.
If you start out with a level 1 boss that beats everyone down in an instant, where do you go from there without seriously injuring or completely unaliving a character?
And I get that crownless was supposed to be Rover's Vegeta, and seeing a TD grow alongside the MC would have been cool, but it all comes down to how they treat TD's, lorewise. Personally, I'd rather have a human or semi human character fill that role, and I know that's biased, but it would give more opportunity for character growth in the story (also another possible interesting playable, but that's purely hypothetical).
As for not caring about the characters, I partially agree. Given the 6, or was it 7, acts we had in 1.0 it wasn't enough time to fully flesh out characters, as most come and go within an act or two. The VA work for a lot of characters didn't help either, BUT Kuro already appears to be working on that, so we don't know what, hopefully, improvements will be coming.
I can see why people say it was rushed, but purely as an intro, at least IMO, it established the setting and introduced various factions as well as giving some sort of glimpse at the potential we could see (or maybe that's just me being a bit optimistic, because I don't enjoy ragging on the rough spots of projects).
As for the climax, I feel like it fell a little more flat because Dreamless was not fighting fully, as she fled in the end. For a true climactic battle, it needs to be a be all end all situation, but that doesn't exactly work in the establishing part of a story, especially when we have little doubt that Dreamless will return.
As for the "calm before the storm," as you mentioned, I purely meant that things have not gone downhill yet. I hope that 1.1 portrays the... dread of what is to come after its climax.
In the end, I can understand that the 1.0 story was rough, but at least it's a start to something that is, hopefully, great.
Genuine question here, what dialogues are you mentioning? Because there was a lot of rambling about various terms, which I will admit, but it at least did something (but then again, that just my perspective).
Sorry to ramble on so much, just wanted to get my thoughts across a little easier, lol
Dang yeani like the progression 10x better. Why did they change it wtf. Probably bcs everyone complained that the story sucked from BETA TESTERS
Rather, it's the CN people that ruined it
Tbh even with the complaints of how rover was treated, the thing i questioned the most is why they changed crownless from being an actual threat to a normal boss fight. Even in lore crownless is the big enemy. They should just take back the technical test one where the trio weren't present, just yangyang cuz the fight was still way better, aggressive and amazing choreography
In CBT, Crownless was simply terrifying and badass, he showed grandeur and was a boss to be defeated at all costs, otherwise everyone would die. Apart from the scene I love the most is the black and white effect on the screen when he picks up the spear which reduced the time of this effect at launch (Go figure).
Another criticism, Minah, is that after the fight against Crownless, everyone is scared without understanding what happened, which is a normal reaction, while nowadays they idolize you like a bunch of brainless people.
Literally this! You drop out of the sky and defeat the enemy everyone was struggling to beat. You then eat this echo with your hand. So yeah I expect people to point weapons at me and be weary. Not this happy go lucky cheerleader nonsense...
We have to speak up and gain traction about the CBT situation. Becasue if Kuro listens to the community, they'll know their original creativity and storytelling could've been well received and they should stay true to their art.
I like the enthusiasm and hopefully people are voicing their opinions in the feedback section!
I got goosebumps with CBT STORY WHAT THIS IS SO MUCH BETTER OMG
Cbt 1 is definitely flawed, but they definitely DID NOT have to replace almost all of it!
I literally yelled allot of how much missed potential they removed just because its more mature and dramatic, but then again, its a business practice to be casual friendly...
I literally agree with him, like I'm also coming from genshin and for me the story is very important, I enjoyed the wuwa mechanics a lot but the story was literally very bland like I couldn't connect with the characters and story
Thank you 🙏
Wow, im glad i watched this. And sad they removed this from the full launch. I hope they dont do this again and really think about it from now on.
Not gonna lie but this intro was better than Genshin's intro(the unknown god cutscene)
Agreed, but we do have a similar goddess intro that sends us into the world lol
I really want them to put that shit back. Bro that feels so much better. I hate stories when the mc shows up with otherworldly powers and nobody bats an eye and just goes with it-
Exactly, but I think at this point all we can hope for is that Kuro cooked in 1.1 onward
What did we miss about Scar? He felt like he was supposed to be a villain that recurred for much longer than he has in 1.0 even our fight with him doesn't really feel like it has a conclusion, is he dead did he run away, what did i miss?
Sometimes relying on players (and strangers a.k.a non-players) opinion about your game could be bad if you didn't filter out which one could help your game to improve.
I still believe that _"A game made for everybody is a game for no one."_
The first chapter story has so many plotholes, but my biggest complain has to be the stuff leading up to us fighting the dreamless. Like, we're going to a war and suddenly Lingyang and Yuanwu show up?? For the record, I didn't play Lingyang's companion quest until after I finished the main story, but it still didn't explain why he was there. He's just. A guy who's a resonator and who is heavily implied to be a beast-who-turned human, but also he's just a lion dancer who's part of a troupe?? Why does he say "don't forget the troupe we can help too!" when pretty much nothing was said about them fighting TDs?? As far as the lore of the game is concerned he should be out there evacuating with the rest of the citizens! And Yuanwu? Just appeared out of NOWHERE. Not a word about him before OR after. Legit our only source about him right now is his character description.
Dayum. If it weren't for this video popping up in my recommended I never would've known about these drastic changes. Thankfully the core game is great so I've already been hooked. But yeah, I'm disappointed we lost a much stronger hook into the story that they wanted to tell right at the beginning. :(
That's why I made the vid to get the word out. Kuro is definitely cooking with 1.1 so the future has potential, but I doubt we'll see a return to the darker side of things.
Jfc, I didn't know we lost so much.
My main gripe with the main plot was that I had barely any emotional connection with my "friends". I felt like they were barely present in almost over half the plot of 1.0.
Like I'm ngl, I felt the entirety of the story so far felt bland and rushed, maybe to patch things up from removing this part of the story and others. Yinlin's storyline was incredibly bland IMO, like I don't even know how we got suddenly roped into her storyline, it was so random as hell and boring I actually managed to doze off a few times during her story.
Like so far, the actual best story in the game is Jinhsi's story for me, it's the only one that I actually manage to have some emotional connection to her as Rover, everyone else felt like no one.
CBT: First time I see it, and I am just wow what a wonderfull story!
Release: Tutorial for 6 years old with 0 story. I was like who the hell are these characters and why should I even care if they just talk and do nothing
Crownless was a menace in CBT
man i was just fine with what i had now i feel like i have been robbed....
Same
I just started playing this game and I'd preferred the original cutscenes over the new one. The initial fight with the crownless was so weird, I didn't even realize until the end that Yangyang was even a part of my team in this fight. Because Yangyang, Chixia, and Baizhi just suddenly disappeared during that fight. Chixia mentioned after that they couldn't help because of a barrier kept them out but they were right next to you, already inside the field, when did it happen? The original cutscene did a better job showing why none of them weren't involved with the fight. Also, the original made for better story telling because tensions was high as fuck after you beat the Crownless, because they all just got their ass kicked, one of their friends is on the verge of dying, and mc is a mysterious stranger who to them, "supposedly has memory loss", physically absorbed an echo into himself which is unheard of. Yea, they should be onguard. I know some players think that they should be grateful they you killed it, but people forget that Yangyang almost died protecting mc, I'd say they're even. Baizhi came off as awkward and rude during the first interaction compared to the original. She was calm, collected, and cold because she's wary of you, but knows that you did save them. I was surprised to see this other side of Chixia when she held a gun at you, because just like Baizhi she doesn't trust mc. Most importantly, I had no idea what overclocking was, never seened it. The first time I heard the word "overclocking" used was with a npc medic at one of the first midnight ranger outpost. It was never explained, in my head I just assumed a resonator was overclocking their hours, or shift, and that the medic had to go tell the resonator to clock off and rest. Yeah.
i have a hunch that this was done to give the rover the classic mysterious vibe of being a mute like LOZ and Genshin, though not so well done lol
Kuro can learn a thing or two from Gege by giving players ptsd from numerous deaths of characters.
They have done this in other games like PGR, they just wanted to appeal to the Genshin crowd with Wuthering Waves.
Bro HAS TO BE #1 Chixia mains PUBLIC ENEMY with that Thumbnail 🙏😭📸
That was for everyone who complained about their "waifus getting destroyed" 😂
You guys should make a petition to bring it back, because obviously that was better.
Too late for that, just wanted to show Kuro was onto something and what could have been. They fell to the feedback and pressure so let's see if they can cook for 1.1 onward.
Wow! Just from the clips in this video, CBT looks much stronger. TBH more along the lines of what I expected. The terrible story of 1.0 has me so disengaged it’s why my playtime has spiraled from full-launch-day-play excitement to literally 0… I just can’t care about /connect with these characters or what they’re doing, as written. But those glimpses you just gave from CBT? I’d have been insta-hooked.
This is what worries me originally is how many new players stopped playing because of the beginner story.
This is the first time I’m getting to see the CBT content, and I really missed out. Going through the main story of 1.0, it the entire time felt really flat and monotonous. I didn’t understand why we were supposed to care about these characters. I didn’t understand why our character would trust and choose this group of people we don’t know over Scar’s group when Scar was the one giving us answers. I didn’t understand why everyone just decided that were the center of their universe that they must get along with.
What’s more, as the main story progresses from chapter 5 to chapter 6, we get this whole big war arc that felt like it was just sprung on us. We start interacting closely with characters that we hadn’t even met in the main story. I was left to conclude that we were supposed to finish the main story after dealing with an unguided and undefined amount of side quests and character stories to get invested. But that’s an awful way to tell a main story, if so. The entire time I felt as if things were happening around me, but I had no agency or reason to move forward. So by the end of it all, I was left feeling as if nothing had really been accomplished.
Yeah exactly the story just didn't match up. Yuanwu randomly showing up. The huge battle at the end. Jinhsi was all filler. Hopefully 1.1 can bring some of it back!
As a CBT1 and CBT 2 player, I was so dissapointed. I LOVED that everyone distrusted us at first because it made it different from other gachas😢. Also bring back Chun! She was so good dammit!
Exactly, the district made so much sense. I doubt we will ever get back to the darker more mature tone of CBT1, but 1.1 was pretty solid. Lots of back story. But yeah I wish they would have kept the original story direction!
When the announcement of the 2nd CBT was going around I watched the 1st one to see what was going to be changed, and when I was judging the story, I was a bit confused of what people were complaining about. Either way, there are still lots of directions the story can go, we'll just have to wait and see
Yeah exactly. That's the right outlook. Let's see what they cook up in 1.1 onward
Holy shit that was so cool! It sucks we lost such a mature story cuz that's why I wanted to play it when I first saw it. I've been struggling to play it currently cuz how boring it is in fact. If we go back to this darker story I'll deff keep playing but the hope is small.
I think a lot of people feel the same way. I doubt they will remake it again, but hopefully they can cook with 1.1 tomorrow
Wow, the cutscenes in the cbt looked like an actual anime storyline
00:00 - 04:00 This is crazy. There is quite a bit of extra story content we missed out on. Probably 1-2 quest or maybe a whole progression line trying to help/save Yangyang out. 05:00 oke wtf this is much better. Why isn't ANYBODY else talking about this. This is huge. This is what i complained about in the survey. Like how do we go, in what looked like 3-5 days of ingame time, go from zero too 100% trusted accomplished and well established hero. This is the intrigue i was looking for. Where is the grim dark in this grim dark world so too speak. It was there, IT WAS RIGHT THERE :S
This is why I made the vid so people could see what we lost. Maybe it gets some traction and gets people talking!
I hard agree with you. The early premise of WuWa's plot in cbt was so engaging if it was solely a manga or anime i'd be engrossed from the get go & would wanna binge read/watch the whole thing. But if the story we got on release was a manga/anime i'd probably drop it after 2 or 3 chapters/episodes.
As things stand now, i have very little investment in the plot in WuWa & the main thing holding my interest is the gameplay of WuWa. But i'm still holding out hope that Kuro can tap into some of that energy they showed us in cbt's early story plot & make this plot truely engaging again.
(p.s. Danjin's character change hurt me deeply. I miss my old crazy Danjin, lolol. But i still like current Danjin alot so i can manage.)
Now i understand why the story feels so void....
Never imagined Crownless was somewhat relevant to the story till the event we're playing today.
This was dope af... WHY
Exactly, how awesome would it have been to have an enemy that evolved against us and had dialog etc!
@@justnoct my only guess is they were afraid or got some "advice". That if you're targeting young audience you need to lower the "violence" idk. But feels like they HAD to take it out last minute and didn't have time to fill the blanks =/ I didn't play cbt and this is how it literally felt. Something was missing, now I know what.
It’s kinda sad I agree I love story in games no matter how long it’s why I play games along with gameplay obviously!
CN COMMUNITY has a really a big beef in terms of the cbt like they always crying, now they get the 1.0 to little to no backstory they still cry
I never got into the CBT and knew the "story" around how the story was changed. But seeing this breakdown really makes me feel like I'm missing out. That was so much better and more compelling.
I'd actually petition to get the old story back, lol. They already played with the fact that the Rover "woke up before" already. This is one of the only times I'd actually want the story to reset to a different timeline (usually that is lame).
this would've had such a huge impact for a new player experience ngl
Exactly why I made the video!
This does look more interesting indeed. Characters actually showing character and emotions, there is some dynamic in dialogues, we are not treated as the most important person in the world right from the beginning, and Yangyang actually does something that connects her to us, instead of just annoying me with her ASMR-like voice that is constantly trying to invade my ear canal. Also crownless having dialogue lines is cool and helps to flesh out the fight.
I love to criticize genshin's sotry in first few regions, but even compared to that wuwa story was so uninspired and boring that i actually avoided doing quests for a long time and only did the story when 1.1 kinda forced me in to doing it. I rly wish they went with this vibe - there is actual signs of tension here, conflict and drama, that would make the story much more believable and less patronizing.
I recently started playing the game. Somehow the story made me keep on skipping but the gameplay itself kept me logging in.
I think that's been the case for most of us, but 1.1 looks promising and it's only a few days away!
I agree man. Hope they polish up the story after players complained about the beginning of the 1.0 story.
Waiting on 1.1 in a week!
what the hell dude, cbt crownless looks like you just accidentally set foot on the endgame boss's lair as a new player, and now new version is just... sad
Exactly
The CBT1 story was way more Kuro like, the new feels more like the common happy Genshin questline...I want death, i want traumas from a game! It was peak, the crownless was brutal, like an Overlord boss should be... China complained about it, and they had to change it... Those crybabies messed up😭
I fully agree, i really enjoyed how tense and dramatic the story was in CBT1 but i was also concerned because a bunch of crybabies complained about it. I was sad that it was changed. Like they said they re-wrote 90% of the story and i imagine what amazing story we might have missed because of this. I miss the original gritty Kuro vibes. I also got pretty upset that they downgraded Crownless to literally nothing it's fkn sad because i really liked how he was portrayed in CBT1. Such a good design and potential wasted. If that was still in, Dreamless would feel more special i think.
I still like what we have now, but i would rather have the original story they wrote from the beginning. I'm just gonna hope that they will come back to more tense and seriously dramatic story writing. If blood was a regular thing in Wuthering Waves during combat for example, damn i would love that.
Thank you for sharing this missing story with us! I would love to have it in the current game!
That was the goal to show people some of the good the original story had for Wuthering Waves. Hopefully they can deliver in the upcoming patches!
I felt this way too, this give a character development story and you can feel dark vibe apocalypse stories.
I am SO GLAD that someone made a video about this. I was bored with Wuthering Wave’s first three chapters, it dragged on, and I found the three girls to be. Well, detail-less? Incomprehensible? Boring? Either way, it’s not good.
But then, I saw the CHT-1 story after playing through chapters four and five, and it FREAKING BROKE MY HEART, to see an amazing! And when I say amazing, I mean A-MAZE-ING. Storyline, gone, just like that.
I don’t use Chixia, Baizhi, or Yangyang. Mainly because I’m not good with ranged characters, they’re hard to play with. And also, because there’s nothing about them that endears me to them. But had we had the thrown out cutscene? I would have at least given Yangyang a try. Maybe the others as well. I’d have leveled her, just to know more about her, because she’s INTERESTING and has protagonist vibes, not NPC-1 vibes. Her head’s literally the face of the game. It makes sense with the previous story, but right now, Abby makes more sense as a mascot than a gal who talked and did a ton of nothing.
Like, I almost goddarn cried. Wasn’t sure if finding that video was the worst birthday present ever or a great one, considering that I at least knew part of the story…
Anyways. I saw a lot about how people agreed with the CBT-1 story being a lot interesting in the comments of the video, it I never realized how much I needed a video in this until now. Thank you so much for making the video.
PS: Seriousmy, though, Chixia acts way more in-role in the CBT-1 storyline. She’s a patroller. And Baizhi has a lot more than just ‘fake ice queen’ vibes. Yangyang is as heroic as hell.
@@knyx9969 glad you liked it! Hopefully they can add more of the mature tones to the upcoming patches we shall see.
I prefer story that is told in cutscenes without the player needing to click through dialogue, especially if the dialogue choices are not significant.
But for those who don’t care about story there should always be a skip button
Kuro Games got sabotaged by their closed beta players.
We can't do anything now to get that story back.
They listened too much to a bunch of kids who know nothing about storytelling.
They should have stick with it and put the skip option for those people instead of rewriting it.
I think a balance of both could have been achieved, but Kuro seemed to over correct in response to feedback. Hopefully they cook in 1.1
CN fan bois sure ruined it. The CBT story is much more mature,intense and fits the world theme and settings. The only thing that doesn't make sense is how Rover gets mad for YangYang who he/she just met. The expression is cool and all but it feels a bit weird
Long story short:
Kuro is a chinese company
Their first game was Punishing Gray Raven with extremely dark story (spoiler: chap 17 we see a kid commit unalive to end his suffering)
They wanted the story to be as dark as PGR but a bit lighter such as people not immediately giving you compliment just for existing
The CN community after years of playing PGR didn't want another dark story so they asked them to rewrite them and here we are today where most of CN want the light story while we who played Genshin for along time wang a darker story to spice things up
I can give you a list of things PGR do:
Selena: the original main heroine according to the lore on a mission got cut in half thrown into the red tide (which red tide deconstruct everything and absord you) she somehow survive it turns into a monster our MC mets her, nuke her to end her suffering and the red tide didn't give up it put her back together. The whole process is hell itself but at least the ending was not that bad
Nanami: she adventure through time to open up a path for the best future in most of those future it's either the main cast die, MC die or human take a heavy hit and lose their best forces
Mc himself doesn't have much plot armor either only a bit. MC is constantly on the battlefield near dead everytime. Being imprison for helping villains, went through weeks/months of torture during the torture MC still have to do mission although online but the mental stress is alot, during imprisoned sight MC almost fell into red tide and broke a few bones, during the twin MC team get wiped out and MC went into a Coma, after recovering during Lee chapter MC mind went out of control and almost killed Liv (one of Gray Ravens members)
Yeah the whole world of PGR is dark af from MC POV it only somewhat dark but when you fully explore the world/lore it get dark real quick
I absolutely agree with you why would they demolish so much potential of cutscene value and backstory?
Feedback, over reaction by Kuro and a new writer = 1.0 release
@@justnoct probably so i just hope the Mt. Firmament Story in around 8 days or so is going to be better in every way
@@shadowthehedgehog1824 yeah it's going to be great I didn't want to cover leaks but from what I've seen it looks amazing. Hopefully a good story and they bring back all the character stories they removed.
I would have a way better connection with characters in wuthering wave with Cbt 1. Seeing a mixture of both the current story and cbt 1 would be for the best. Like all the love and care for Rover would make way more sense after Act 6 basically saving everyone from Dreamless. Jiyan a well respected and loved character by Huanglong city speaking up for Rover make way more sense as to why people give rover more respect.
Exactly! 💯 This!
I am fine with the Chixia change of personally of the release, but ATLEAST do NOT just scrap The whole Crownless fight scene, that is literally the whole plot, and the definition of Overclocking would have been a easier explainatory than just the dialogues
I didn't mind the defensive Chixia, but the rushed 1.0 story removed all the trust issues and turned everyone into cheerleaders.
Woah, didn't expected to see you here
There was actually different introductions for aalto and encore, we even see encore fighting against scar
Yep Calcharo has a story with his brother. I know they won't change it again, but hopefully they can re add some of that story line back
We see if Kuro make a better story arc in The future. But, they lose a great story mode and repair it... Won't be easy.