John Deere 8120 Broken Axle while merging hay.
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- Broken Axle on 8120
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Love your videos. Beautiful farm and family. So many can learn from your demeanor and how well you handle adversity. Thanks for sharing
Murphy's Law in full effect. Paint color doesn't matter, they all break eventually. Can't wait to see it put back together. Thanks for posting this stuff, learn a lot from your videos.
I do watch a lot of your videos. I try to watch them all! I truly wish, Andy, I was half as smart as you! There is nothing you can't do and no one works harder than you! Thank you for the videos!
It aired up pretty good (the tire) when I was a farmhand we had to change and rotate our on tires,the 20x8x38 Rice&Canes was the hardest but we had all long axles with duals. And they would buy in bulk sometimes up to 12 tires at a time,if we changed out tires(it was cheater buying so many at a time ). And we used a Slam Hammer and we would have probably 2/3 tractors at a time down changing tires. Enjoyed watching !
We never broke an axle on any of our tractors. Just doing hay sure couldn't have caused that. It had to be cracked previously, and finally gave up.
Si c est possible de casser un axe d essieu arrière en roulant en ligne droite: j ai connu un cas similaire sur un tracteur d une autre marque.
Par contre, dans cette vidéo, la cause de la panne est double à mon avis:
1. Des jumelés avec des montes de pneus tres ou trop larges.
2. Un mauvais conducteur qui "tourne" trop court avec des pneus jumelés, ce qui cause une force de rippage démesurée sur un seul essieu arrière.
En clair, lorsque l on met des pneus jumelés sur un tracteur, on apprend d abord à conduire en apprenant un minimum de physique des forces avant de se plaindre ensuite. Ca evite de passer pour une bille.
Thanks for the video. I used to machine these 8000 series diff cases, IVT transmission housings, transmission rear covers, and some of the Camoplast parts for the tracked versions before moving into a CNC maintenance tech. position. It's cool to see how some of the components are installed on the case as I only dealt with the raw casting. One thing I can say about Deere was they had pretty decent castings and would scrap anything showing signs of porosity on the outside of the casting or any critical areas such as bolt holes, bearing surfaces, etc.
I work for a tier one Deere supplier. When this happened, it is around the time we had a rash of Deere axles breaking. They require us to get our forgings from certified suppliers. They blamed us for not ultrasound testing the forgings. It ended up being that the forging supplier changed the "recipe" of the steel . After a big "pissing " match. they finally agreed to the source of the problem. It cost our company $500,000 to prove to Deere that the forgings were the problem. The ultimate cause was cost cutting, and short cuts in the forging process.
I really love the tubeless stems, came in real handy on all my equipment in 2021, went through too many tires to keep buying tubes. At $750 a tire for my 4630 and having to replace all 4 rear ones I didn't want to spend more on tubes.
Love the sign language 😂 And nice looking boots on you and Jered.
I was surprise how many different jobs you have to know I will add you and start to follow look forward to the next video 🤟😷from the UK 🇬🇧
Always interesting to see your videos. Always doing something different. Thanks & I appreciate it.
Andy I will say one thing that after I watched you take the axle off I bet that the hired help ain't gonna mess with the boss lol I enjoyed the video as usual the real world as a farming operation and again you handle it in stride thanks for sharing
God bless you Sir, you are a great example of what a Man, one who has learned to rely on himself and when a job needs to be done, well just get it done. Don't look to blame someone else for your troubles. Just do it and go on to the next Job.
Because if it doesn't get done it cost you.
Hope full harvest and get top dollar for the sales price this year Sir 👍
I liked that pneumatic tire bead breaker, using a 10-pound sledge is kinda "hit & miss" (good-upload)
Today on Farming Fixing and Fabricating: Farming, fixing, and hernia surgery.
man need to get on some atlas stones and show Brian shaw how its done
Man that’s crazy, good thing it wasn’t going down the road.. iv had a few broken axle shafts on trucks and tractors but it’s usually someone’s fault lol. Good video Andy Take it easy
Thanks for saying you'll be putting the axle back on in a later video. I'll be watching it for sure. Thanks Andy
It is so good to see mechanics able to use low tech methods. It is important to keep using basic manual repair techniques.
Thanks for the ride along Andy, a little bit of everything in this Video, sign language, tire repair and a heavy lift on the final drive.
Although I think that I would have used some straps and shackles with that loader to move that drive assembly, not worth getting a hernia, back issue or smashing a foot.
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God bless Gerry farmers thanks for all your hard work
Never a dull moment on that farm that's for sure!
Whatever breaks, just stay calm and fix it. Good work, and also reminds me of the 8320 that totalled , still hurts me a bit.
I definitely don't envy y'all that job. I dealt with something of the sort once, but at least the axle was still in one piece and the hub remained in place - rim locks on an Allis-Chalmers 170 broke. Smaller machine and wheel, but all we had was a little 2-ton bottle jack (dad was in the phase where he was still learning "buy cheap? buy twice") and, various pry bars and wrenches, and dad's and my brawn.
That sure is CLEAN off! So neat cut..
Great video. Sure is interesting when stuff happens on the farm like an axle ripping off.
Dude that is a very very cool tool for breaking tire beads off rim 👏👏👏👏
Well at least this time you guys didn't tear off the whole trumpet housing and all lol. Thanks for the video Andy, have a good one.
Thanks Scott
Another great video big boy, had a little bit of everything in it.
Great video Andy! that field repair was not an easy one. I was curious what the tire pressure was and you answered that. I cannot believe one wheel weight is 450lbs! I recognize that sign language too LOL. Thanks for taking us along with your day to day stuff brother. Cheers
You are welcome
Looks like a good rig to turn into a pullin tractor now💪 lol!! Nice when ya got all the tools to work on a problem like that 👍👍
Get you some lift straps and use the wheel loader, may have to wrap the straps around several times. Can be a bit tricky but doable and much easier on your back. Cheers :)
Hello -- I Grew up farming too -- Time -- Starts 2 hr`s before the Sun and when the Dog stops following you supper time or when you hear the sleigh bells Mom rang to get in here Ah the good ol days LOL SUBBED You .
Gee Andy that axle looks like it’s been cracked for a while 1/2way through,( that dark half moon shape)
"Farmer g has stopped woking unexpectedly" (farm sim joke)
Lololol
You mean helper h?
Hey it makes for a good juicy video ,but you can tell from 12 to15 feet away and a thousand miles to me ,that the axle was fractured. You can clearly see the tell tale dark shadow one third to one half of the way through progressidly. It didn't just fall of due to a thick stem of hay!!! Observations by a journeyman motor vehicle and heavy duty diesel mechanic as well as a journey man Weldor fabricator . Worked at Deere and Cat dealerships as well as farming thanks, nice video none the less!!!!! Well prepped!!!
Keep up the awesome videos Andy!!
I always had bad experiences running johndeere while merging,was using a 7810 and it had many problems and was too gutless for the job
So I swapped tractors and put a case 7140 on the merger and its been amazing ever since,I love the 7140
Good
My boss rented the 7330 out to pull a merger a couple years ago.
They got over into Missouri and couldn't control it on the hills, needed something heavier.
Well at least it broke in the field not going down the road
You picked a fine time to.leave me loose wheel
Bro I’ve never done this without a crane. That was AWESOME!!!
great video as usual Andy keep em comin !
Great video always like watching keep them coming patriot
Hate to see that happen!! We bought an 8120 brand new back in 04. Put close to 12,500 hard hours on it feeding cattle and pulling a vac planter for years. Probably one of the most reliable tractors we ever owned!
I couldn't imagine how mad my dad would be at me, if that happened while I was using it 😂 .... yea I actually can imagine it
It wasn't the fault of operator. Have you gone back to school yet?
That sucks, going to be a costly repair. At least the Dealership going to help you get it installed.I like them new shoes you guys have on. Andy you're going to sleep good tonight after this day ends 😴 That tool does an excellent job!! Great vid as always 👌 catchya and the next one. Be safe!!
Why would they its not new its called sh#$ happens we just deal with it and go on nothing sucks worse then breaking down but just like concrete is guaranteed to crack tractors are guaranteed to break
No John Deere won't pay
@@jwhitley101whitleyfarms9 ok I get your point!!
@@FarmingFixingFabricating Good thing he wasn't traveling down the highway when it snapped!!
Not Much luck with the 8020's ehh? Nice video Andy keep up the great work!
You made the tire work look easy
New viewer from Cambridgeshire in the UK love your filming very interesting look forward to following you in the future
Glad to hear
Respect ...great skills great Job
Espcially field fixes
you are a mad man Andy lol ... watch out for your back, don't take much to put yourself out of commission for a few weeks...
Andy thanks for videos. Sorry about the equipment break down . Only positive is that I feel better knowing it doesn't just happen to me . And you are great at explaining things . Adult beverages galore on that break down . 👍🍺🍺🇺🇸 Just hit the subscription button.
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I hate seeing breakdowns like that sorry for the bad luck buddy hope you can get it fixed as cheap as possible God bless
can`t stop watching your interesting videos
Glad to hear that
Years ago we owned a case 500. All orange in color. We were making irrigation ditches and the ditches took too big a bite and stopped the tractor dead in the tracks and the axle broke. I was young but it seemed bigger around. Well we ordered a new axle. Three months later it came. It had stickers from all over the world. It went to Japan and the to England and Germany. Postal service
as an old machinist if you look there is a large dark scallop in the axel the was a flaw in the original steel they cut the axel from seen it many times in logging skidders and many other machines brian from washington state
Excellent video well done top job top team awesome thanks
inflate it the cool way .. starting fluid and a match boom inflated ive done it it really works !!
You guys are good at Farming, Fixing & Fabricating but even better at breaking stuff. I grew up with 6 brothers, and we were pretty hard on equipment, but not even close to the stuff that happens to you guys. Maybe in the 60's, 70's 80's John Deere made better equipment.
All their 8020's have well over 10 000 hrs if I remember right so I wouldn't call it completely unacceptable
Long hours you are going to get problems
Looks like a fatigue fracture in an induction hardened axel. The ring around the outside is the induction layer. If you look closely at the dark part of the fracture you may see "Beach marks" due to intermittent crack growth. This type of fracture requires cyclic loading, maybe a bent axel. The induction hardening puts about 100,000 psi compressive stress on the surface, the axel can't crack until applied stress exceeds compressive stress however the surface layer is subject to damage - deep scratch or wear groove & excess heat are common causes.
Another great video Andy.
YOU ARE one strong MAN. LIKE THE POSITIVE DEMENTER. God bless Farmers.
Time to call in the 4620 💪Ol Smokey 😝
Great video!!
The shit never ends, for problems! Lol!
I can relate to your issues for sure!
Great video as always
On the farm had a dual rear axle chopper wagon break both axles while loaded. The road crew brought over a pay loader to pick it up and the fire department brought air bags to lift it up so the guys could get it high enough to fix.
enjoyed the video andy thanks
Great video Andy
You guys wreck more equipment than anyone else I've ever known of!
Oh
Good thing you know how to fix it, what an unexpected pain
Yes
You could have used starting fluid to air up the tire. Have an extinguisher handy! That metal seemed a tad heavy? Great video Andy
I use a JCB backhoe Rear arm, and with toothed bucket level with the top the tyre to break the beads. Never fails even on high ply count tyres.
Always Good Thanks
Awesome video thanks
Keep up the awesome videos
Jeez Andy; I don't think I\ll "touch" you for luck. LOL Cause you don't have any when it comes to axles. Great video once again. Your friend in Liverpool.
Says “alright you ready?”
Stands over the top and gives the other person no room to help lift.... 😂😂🤷🏻♂️
He meant ready to be away from the dropping heavy part. Why have someone else help you lift/move, if you can do it by yourself and possibly hurt yourself.
He was talking to himself :)
I got a hernia just watching this video.
Reminds me of a controlled chaos kind of day on the farm! Stay safe!
I've seen and heard of quite a few deere axles breaking over the years
I like the repair videos - very costly 4U I'm sure. So .... 1 a week is fine 👍
Glad you found out the apparent cause of the broken axle to be someone before your time using a cutting torch to remove a bearing. That created a weak point in the tempered axle which is damaged from the excessive heat. Hope that becomes a Deere bulletin to all Deere mechanics at least for future reference.
Cutting a bearing off wouldn't have caused that to break, if the bearing was out and it got hot maybe
@@RJ1999x they cut the axle when cutting the bearing off. You can see the notch at the bottom of the axle when he shows it inside the wheel. You can also see that the break face is smooth around that point and more rough on the top half, indicating a fatigue crack emanating from the lower point on the axle, most likely caused by the stress concentration caused by the cut.
@@j.e.honiball1327 doubtful, possible, but doubtful
@@RJ1999x I wasn't speculating, that is a textbook stress concentration fatigue failure, I know because I have the textbook right here.
@@j.e.honiball1327 lol! Seems odd that the axle had no overbuild in it, that a nick from a torch would cause it to fail, but then again it's a John Deere so it's very possible
i like how you are hands on with the guys
We always used a smaller tyre on the outside wheel of a dual set-up, to reduce the bending stress on the axle.
Smaller tire will wear out real quick, you need to run same size tire
Smaller tyre or less pressure outsides,more sensitive driving on rough surfaces a.s.o.Thank you.
Enjoyed. Day in life of farmer!
Working unit , all be well there.
We had the axle break on a pull back tractor at a tractor pull I was involved with-- it was running duals, and the sled is an easy pull for my little John Deere MT-- never did figure out why it broke...
Ytsktory
Just found your channel and see you have lovely children and they are great drivers now The big question is do you pie and Wages lol
Yes they get paid
“This is not an OSHA approved blow gun.” That is why it works.
I’m impressed
Framing Fixing & Fabricating , Andy, please be careful trying to handle parts like that! I just crossed the 15 year anniversary of me blowing 3 discs out on my lower back! I was replacing Intercoolers on a large Marine Diesel Main Engine. A 16-645-E2 EMD (think a really big Detroit) (645 Ci per cyl x 16 cylinders) 3000 hp that might have weighed 200 pounds. Hell, I used to pick them up by my self but this time there were three men on it when one of them lost his footing and caused him to fall down. I caught all the weight to stop it from crushing his legs, I never even had a second to think about it, it was something anyone of us would do. This caused my to have to have back surgery and ended a 30 year career as a Chief Engineer. I live in pain to this day but I know that anyone of us would have done the same thing if in the same situation! When something happens, there is NO time to thing "What might happen", you just react. When I saw you take the weight when that broke free, I had flash backs to when I did my back in, you only get one back, please try (I know it's hard and I'm sure years of abusing my back doing things like this didn't help) to be careful and remember, the make chain falls for a good reason!
Thanks
Andy, get a JRB jib boom to go on your loader quick coupler.
Corb Lund wrote a song about this guy! Hard on equipment look it up fits this guy to a tee !
We ain't hard on equipment
What we used to do was put blocks under the tyre and let the weight of the rim help seal the bead again
The dark spot in that axle is where it first started failing. It starts as a small crack and then when it stressed it will crack a little more, then a little more. It creates beach marks, or semi circle rings that originate from the initial crack. That small flaw will continue to grow until its big enough to cause a sudden failure. I can see the faint signs of the beach marks and it looks like the failure originated from inside the axle core but hard to tell from the video.
You are corret. Cypris made the axle forgings to Deere specs. As a tier 1 vendor, we were requirerd to get forgings from Cypris. However, Deere slipped on the inspection of the metalurgy. When the first axle broke there was a lot of finger pointing. Deere blamed us for not ultrasounding the forgings, but they wouldn't pay for the additional work.
A set of forks on the Rubber Tire Loader. Would have made the disassembly part a lot easier. Great video Thanks
Ouch!! that makes for a lot of work... Looks like you guys are wearing Thorogood boots nice have been wanting to try them.
Seen it happen on a Jd 9430. Work for les schwab went out today and put hubs and wheels back on after it got axel replaced
That’s interesting at least jr wasn’t running it cuz I could only imagine how he would have felt
we had a similar bead breaker at the farm dealer I worked for many years ago. it seemed to work well. I also was never a fan of doing tires.
Wore the threads off of mine
Apologize to jr., as I thought in the other video that the wheel axle dropped off while he was merging.
Thanks for letting us see the preparation for the fix.
Blowgun has air coming out, OSHA approved does not..
Harry in Ireland watch your back Andy