I do watch a lot of your videos. I try to watch them all! I truly wish, Andy, I was half as smart as you! There is nothing you can't do and no one works harder than you! Thank you for the videos!
Murphy's Law in full effect. Paint color doesn't matter, they all break eventually. Can't wait to see it put back together. Thanks for posting this stuff, learn a lot from your videos.
Thanks for the video. I used to machine these 8000 series diff cases, IVT transmission housings, transmission rear covers, and some of the Camoplast parts for the tracked versions before moving into a CNC maintenance tech. position. It's cool to see how some of the components are installed on the case as I only dealt with the raw casting. One thing I can say about Deere was they had pretty decent castings and would scrap anything showing signs of porosity on the outside of the casting or any critical areas such as bolt holes, bearing surfaces, etc.
I work for a tier one Deere supplier. When this happened, it is around the time we had a rash of Deere axles breaking. They require us to get our forgings from certified suppliers. They blamed us for not ultrasound testing the forgings. It ended up being that the forging supplier changed the "recipe" of the steel . After a big "pissing " match. they finally agreed to the source of the problem. It cost our company $500,000 to prove to Deere that the forgings were the problem. The ultimate cause was cost cutting, and short cuts in the forging process.
Si c est possible de casser un axe d essieu arrière en roulant en ligne droite: j ai connu un cas similaire sur un tracteur d une autre marque. Par contre, dans cette vidéo, la cause de la panne est double à mon avis: 1. Des jumelés avec des montes de pneus tres ou trop larges. 2. Un mauvais conducteur qui "tourne" trop court avec des pneus jumelés, ce qui cause une force de rippage démesurée sur un seul essieu arrière. En clair, lorsque l on met des pneus jumelés sur un tracteur, on apprend d abord à conduire en apprenant un minimum de physique des forces avant de se plaindre ensuite. Ca evite de passer pour une bille.
God bless you Sir, you are a great example of what a Man, one who has learned to rely on himself and when a job needs to be done, well just get it done. Don't look to blame someone else for your troubles. Just do it and go on to the next Job. Because if it doesn't get done it cost you. Hope full harvest and get top dollar for the sales price this year Sir 👍
I really love the tubeless stems, came in real handy on all my equipment in 2021, went through too many tires to keep buying tubes. At $750 a tire for my 4630 and having to replace all 4 rear ones I didn't want to spend more on tubes.
Andy I will say one thing that after I watched you take the axle off I bet that the hired help ain't gonna mess with the boss lol I enjoyed the video as usual the real world as a farming operation and again you handle it in stride thanks for sharing
Thanks for the ride along Andy, a little bit of everything in this Video, sign language, tire repair and a heavy lift on the final drive. Although I think that I would have used some straps and shackles with that loader to move that drive assembly, not worth getting a hernia, back issue or smashing a foot.
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I always had bad experiences running johndeere while merging,was using a 7810 and it had many problems and was too gutless for the job So I swapped tractors and put a case 7140 on the merger and its been amazing ever since,I love the 7140
My boss rented the 7330 out to pull a merger a couple years ago. They got over into Missouri and couldn't control it on the hills, needed something heavier.
Looks like a fatigue fracture in an induction hardened axel. The ring around the outside is the induction layer. If you look closely at the dark part of the fracture you may see "Beach marks" due to intermittent crack growth. This type of fracture requires cyclic loading, maybe a bent axel. The induction hardening puts about 100,000 psi compressive stress on the surface, the axel can't crack until applied stress exceeds compressive stress however the surface layer is subject to damage - deep scratch or wear groove & excess heat are common causes.
It aired up pretty good (the tire) when I was a farmhand we had to change and rotate our on tires,the 20x8x38 Rice&Canes was the hardest but we had all long axles with duals. And they would buy in bulk sometimes up to 12 tires at a time,if we changed out tires(it was cheater buying so many at a time ). And we used a Slam Hammer and we would have probably 2/3 tractors at a time down changing tires. Enjoyed watching !
I definitely don't envy y'all that job. I dealt with something of the sort once, but at least the axle was still in one piece and the hub remained in place - rim locks on an Allis-Chalmers 170 broke. Smaller machine and wheel, but all we had was a little 2-ton bottle jack (dad was in the phase where he was still learning "buy cheap? buy twice") and, various pry bars and wrenches, and dad's and my brawn.
I've never seen breakdowns like this with the older tractors 40, 50 years ago. All we did is overhaul the engines once they started to burn some oil and away we went again. We overhauled the engine in about 2.5 days. New sleeves, pistons, rings and bearings and away you go. Much simpler times.
That sucks, going to be a costly repair. At least the Dealership going to help you get it installed.I like them new shoes you guys have on. Andy you're going to sleep good tonight after this day ends 😴 That tool does an excellent job!! Great vid as always 👌 catchya and the next one. Be safe!!
Why would they its not new its called sh#$ happens we just deal with it and go on nothing sucks worse then breaking down but just like concrete is guaranteed to crack tractors are guaranteed to break
You guys are good at Farming, Fixing & Fabricating but even better at breaking stuff. I grew up with 6 brothers, and we were pretty hard on equipment, but not even close to the stuff that happens to you guys. Maybe in the 60's, 70's 80's John Deere made better equipment.
Get you some lift straps and use the wheel loader, may have to wrap the straps around several times. Can be a bit tricky but doable and much easier on your back. Cheers :)
Great video Andy! that field repair was not an easy one. I was curious what the tire pressure was and you answered that. I cannot believe one wheel weight is 450lbs! I recognize that sign language too LOL. Thanks for taking us along with your day to day stuff brother. Cheers
Hey it makes for a good juicy video ,but you can tell from 12 to15 feet away and a thousand miles to me ,that the axle was fractured. You can clearly see the tell tale dark shadow one third to one half of the way through progressidly. It didn't just fall of due to a thick stem of hay!!! Observations by a journeyman motor vehicle and heavy duty diesel mechanic as well as a journey man Weldor fabricator . Worked at Deere and Cat dealerships as well as farming thanks, nice video none the less!!!!! Well prepped!!!
Man that’s crazy, good thing it wasn’t going down the road.. iv had a few broken axle shafts on trucks and tractors but it’s usually someone’s fault lol. Good video Andy Take it easy
What moisture content is the oats, When we raised oats we had to swath when it got close to ripe it would tangle and sway in the wind and shell, so we swathed on the green side. That was way back before full full floor aeration. Is oats used for calf feed rations.
Apologize to jr., as I thought in the other video that the wheel axle dropped off while he was merging. Thanks for letting us see the preparation for the fix. Blowgun has air coming out, OSHA approved does not..
How come the senior man is doing all of the bull work? That was crazy when you were holding that heavy part until the kid was finally out of the way. With all the equipment that you have, I was expecting to see you break out some slings and attach them to the bucket loader to pull the final drive off with. It was amazing that no one got hurt. Best wishes to all. Subscribed. : )
Just subscribed to your channel. I enjoy watching the repairs done in the field and also like to see the comparison of the “at the shop” repair or continuation of a field repair. Do you have any hired help with the farm or is it all family? And, if possible, could you mention in a non-specific way, how much some of these parts/repairs cost ?Such as,” this part costs in the neighborhood of $--.00 . If possible. Without tears as I’m sure maybe you don’t want to remind yourself of it. I just love American farmers, nothing seems to get them to give up. Give in, at times, maybe, but not give up ! Great videos, thanks.
Andy thanks for videos. Sorry about the equipment break down . Only positive is that I feel better knowing it doesn't just happen to me . And you are great at explaining things . Adult beverages galore on that break down . 👍🍺🍺🇺🇸 Just hit the subscription button.
judging by the dark color in the center of the broken axle I would say it has been cracked for a while, Looks like it could be a common problem with the wheels extending so far out, It might be a good idea to dye checked the axles on the off season or when the brakes are being done.
Years ago we owned a case 500. All orange in color. We were making irrigation ditches and the ditches took too big a bite and stopped the tractor dead in the tracks and the axle broke. I was young but it seemed bigger around. Well we ordered a new axle. Three months later it came. It had stickers from all over the world. It went to Japan and the to England and Germany. Postal service
Is their a cause for that axle to snap out of like that? Maybe you can look in the assembly n see anything obvious for a cause. Bushing or outer bearing in the casing .
I like how you got the tires and axle off of the large John Deere tractor and had to get the axle replaced. The way you took the tire off to replace the valve stem was nice also and the tire bead breaker works nicely also and must have been a great help in the shop. I hope you all got the machine back running without too much down time and the work was completed in the field.
Glad you found out the apparent cause of the broken axle to be someone before your time using a cutting torch to remove a bearing. That created a weak point in the tempered axle which is damaged from the excessive heat. Hope that becomes a Deere bulletin to all Deere mechanics at least for future reference.
@@RJ1999x they cut the axle when cutting the bearing off. You can see the notch at the bottom of the axle when he shows it inside the wheel. You can also see that the break face is smooth around that point and more rough on the top half, indicating a fatigue crack emanating from the lower point on the axle, most likely caused by the stress concentration caused by the cut.
@@j.e.honiball1327 lol! Seems odd that the axle had no overbuild in it, that a nick from a torch would cause it to fail, but then again it's a John Deere so it's very possible
When I was a kid we had a Ford 8N, a real old cub, and Ford NAA (?brain is old) Anyway they all had calcium chloride inside the tires for weight. Do they still do that?
The dark spot in that axle is where it first started failing. It starts as a small crack and then when it stressed it will crack a little more, then a little more. It creates beach marks, or semi circle rings that originate from the initial crack. That small flaw will continue to grow until its big enough to cause a sudden failure. I can see the faint signs of the beach marks and it looks like the failure originated from inside the axle core but hard to tell from the video.
You are corret. Cypris made the axle forgings to Deere specs. As a tier 1 vendor, we were requirerd to get forgings from Cypris. However, Deere slipped on the inspection of the metalurgy. When the first axle broke there was a lot of finger pointing. Deere blamed us for not ultrasounding the forgings, but they wouldn't pay for the additional work.
as an old machinist if you look there is a large dark scallop in the axel the was a flaw in the original steel they cut the axel from seen it many times in logging skidders and many other machines brian from washington state
Hate to see that happen!! We bought an 8120 brand new back in 04. Put close to 12,500 hard hours on it feeding cattle and pulling a vac planter for years. Probably one of the most reliable tractors we ever owned!
Framing Fixing & Fabricating , Andy, please be careful trying to handle parts like that! I just crossed the 15 year anniversary of me blowing 3 discs out on my lower back! I was replacing Intercoolers on a large Marine Diesel Main Engine. A 16-645-E2 EMD (think a really big Detroit) (645 Ci per cyl x 16 cylinders) 3000 hp that might have weighed 200 pounds. Hell, I used to pick them up by my self but this time there were three men on it when one of them lost his footing and caused him to fall down. I caught all the weight to stop it from crushing his legs, I never even had a second to think about it, it was something anyone of us would do. This caused my to have to have back surgery and ended a 30 year career as a Chief Engineer. I live in pain to this day but I know that anyone of us would have done the same thing if in the same situation! When something happens, there is NO time to thing "What might happen", you just react. When I saw you take the weight when that broke free, I had flash backs to when I did my back in, you only get one back, please try (I know it's hard and I'm sure years of abusing my back doing things like this didn't help) to be careful and remember, the make chain falls for a good reason!
Good stuff boss..Sure would be nice to know what happened to that axle..similar thing happened to me with a WD Allis in 1973.. Never figured that one either..
I hope its under warranty. Even when its out. My mate had a Komatsu bulldozer a few years ago that failed in rear planetarys, Komatsu of Japan sent a new dozer out to N.Z at no charge, they were really embarrased as the N.Z agents forgot to fill oil on pre delivery.
Hello -- I Grew up farming too -- Time -- Starts 2 hr`s before the Sun and when the Dog stops following you supper time or when you hear the sleigh bells Mom rang to get in here Ah the good ol days LOL SUBBED You .
Sure hope warranty would take care of this!! Why are all the video of new JD braking down? I mean either it's axle bearing to broken teeth in the trans to broken axles
We have been driving John Deere small frame 7000 series for quiet some time and would like to upgrade to large frame 7 or 8000 series JD for the baler and other work, but I am getting a little sick of the stories what I hear of those series. Is this normal that a axle just breaks of? How are the IVT's . Do I need to be worried and stay with the 'german' versions?
We had the axle break on a pull back tractor at a tractor pull I was involved with-- it was running duals, and the sled is an easy pull for my little John Deere MT-- never did figure out why it broke...
Very interesting video, thank you for sharing. I am dealing with a very similiar situation here in Brazil. Did you find anything about the reason for the axle breaking? Did the owner or the manufacturer have a failure analysis done?
Having been a machinist, mechanic, semi owner. I would say that if that axle didn't have any extraordinary stress, then the metal in that axle must have been flawed. I'm betting it is a part defect. It may have no warrantee but that is JD poor quality.
Andy, a few questions, how many acres of oats do you grow. Around here, east central Wi very little oats is grown and used anymore. It is a cheap crop to grow but the farmers like wheat straw better and the feed value of the oats isn’t that great compared to other crops.
I broke front axles on all my compact John Deere tractors. If you check this out they made a 4000 series tractor. They would not warranty anything. I had to pay for all of the cost of repair. I went 75 miles to another Deere dealer and found out the truth. They had a TSB that when the front axle was made they jigged it wrong. If you had a front loader and you used it a lot the front axle would break. Their fix was to stop making the 4000 series and come out with a new 4001 series. I sold the Deere. I now run Kubota. No problems of any kind. The tractor has never been back to the dealer for anything. The tractor is a B Series 2301.
Drove tractors all my life ( retired now ) seen this happen before , but i some times wonder the axle was made for one wheel , so putting two must put more stress on the metal than what it was made for ?????
These tractors are engineered for duals. In fact they can be ordered from the factory with duals and most often are ordered that way. It’s actually pretty rare to see an 8000 JD without duals.
My guess is that the extra chain clipped the valve... i did that to my pair.. also their chains, when the duals are of- can do the same when lifting/maneuvering them around.
Hello from BONBEACH Melbourne Victoria (Australia). We live in the suburbs of the City of Melbourne. Pardon my ignorance, couple of questions please. Do you have a fair dinkum (i.e. reality good) GPS programmed with waypoints etc controlling where the various machines drive and operate in the fields. Re the iPad, what does the program on there do for you? Great informative video about big farm equipment. Thankyou.
Used to work for john deere. Last time I seen one brake like that a torched was used to cut the bearing race off the axle shaft. Could see where the crack started where the axle shaft was cut into with a torch.
I do watch a lot of your videos. I try to watch them all! I truly wish, Andy, I was half as smart as you! There is nothing you can't do and no one works harder than you! Thank you for the videos!
Murphy's Law in full effect. Paint color doesn't matter, they all break eventually. Can't wait to see it put back together. Thanks for posting this stuff, learn a lot from your videos.
Love your videos. Beautiful farm and family. So many can learn from your demeanor and how well you handle adversity. Thanks for sharing
Thanks for the video. I used to machine these 8000 series diff cases, IVT transmission housings, transmission rear covers, and some of the Camoplast parts for the tracked versions before moving into a CNC maintenance tech. position. It's cool to see how some of the components are installed on the case as I only dealt with the raw casting. One thing I can say about Deere was they had pretty decent castings and would scrap anything showing signs of porosity on the outside of the casting or any critical areas such as bolt holes, bearing surfaces, etc.
I work for a tier one Deere supplier. When this happened, it is around the time we had a rash of Deere axles breaking. They require us to get our forgings from certified suppliers. They blamed us for not ultrasound testing the forgings. It ended up being that the forging supplier changed the "recipe" of the steel . After a big "pissing " match. they finally agreed to the source of the problem. It cost our company $500,000 to prove to Deere that the forgings were the problem. The ultimate cause was cost cutting, and short cuts in the forging process.
We never broke an axle on any of our tractors. Just doing hay sure couldn't have caused that. It had to be cracked previously, and finally gave up.
Si c est possible de casser un axe d essieu arrière en roulant en ligne droite: j ai connu un cas similaire sur un tracteur d une autre marque.
Par contre, dans cette vidéo, la cause de la panne est double à mon avis:
1. Des jumelés avec des montes de pneus tres ou trop larges.
2. Un mauvais conducteur qui "tourne" trop court avec des pneus jumelés, ce qui cause une force de rippage démesurée sur un seul essieu arrière.
En clair, lorsque l on met des pneus jumelés sur un tracteur, on apprend d abord à conduire en apprenant un minimum de physique des forces avant de se plaindre ensuite. Ca evite de passer pour une bille.
God bless you Sir, you are a great example of what a Man, one who has learned to rely on himself and when a job needs to be done, well just get it done. Don't look to blame someone else for your troubles. Just do it and go on to the next Job.
Because if it doesn't get done it cost you.
Hope full harvest and get top dollar for the sales price this year Sir 👍
I really love the tubeless stems, came in real handy on all my equipment in 2021, went through too many tires to keep buying tubes. At $750 a tire for my 4630 and having to replace all 4 rear ones I didn't want to spend more on tubes.
It is so good to see mechanics able to use low tech methods. It is important to keep using basic manual repair techniques.
Well at least this time you guys didn't tear off the whole trumpet housing and all lol. Thanks for the video Andy, have a good one.
Thanks Scott
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man need to get on some atlas stones and show Brian shaw how its done
Andy I will say one thing that after I watched you take the axle off I bet that the hired help ain't gonna mess with the boss lol I enjoyed the video as usual the real world as a farming operation and again you handle it in stride thanks for sharing
Thanks for the ride along Andy, a little bit of everything in this Video, sign language, tire repair and a heavy lift on the final drive.
Although I think that I would have used some straps and shackles with that loader to move that drive assembly, not worth getting a hernia, back issue or smashing a foot.
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I always had bad experiences running johndeere while merging,was using a 7810 and it had many problems and was too gutless for the job
So I swapped tractors and put a case 7140 on the merger and its been amazing ever since,I love the 7140
Good
My boss rented the 7330 out to pull a merger a couple years ago.
They got over into Missouri and couldn't control it on the hills, needed something heavier.
Love the sign language 😂 And nice looking boots on you and Jered.
Looks like a fatigue fracture in an induction hardened axel. The ring around the outside is the induction layer. If you look closely at the dark part of the fracture you may see "Beach marks" due to intermittent crack growth. This type of fracture requires cyclic loading, maybe a bent axel. The induction hardening puts about 100,000 psi compressive stress on the surface, the axel can't crack until applied stress exceeds compressive stress however the surface layer is subject to damage - deep scratch or wear groove & excess heat are common causes.
Thanks for saying you'll be putting the axle back on in a later video. I'll be watching it for sure. Thanks Andy
It aired up pretty good (the tire) when I was a farmhand we had to change and rotate our on tires,the 20x8x38 Rice&Canes was the hardest but we had all long axles with duals. And they would buy in bulk sometimes up to 12 tires at a time,if we changed out tires(it was cheater buying so many at a time ). And we used a Slam Hammer and we would have probably 2/3 tractors at a time down changing tires. Enjoyed watching !
I definitely don't envy y'all that job. I dealt with something of the sort once, but at least the axle was still in one piece and the hub remained in place - rim locks on an Allis-Chalmers 170 broke. Smaller machine and wheel, but all we had was a little 2-ton bottle jack (dad was in the phase where he was still learning "buy cheap? buy twice") and, various pry bars and wrenches, and dad's and my brawn.
I've never seen breakdowns like this with the older tractors 40, 50 years ago. All we did is overhaul the engines once they started to burn some oil and away we went again. We overhauled the engine in about 2.5 days. New sleeves, pistons, rings and bearings and away you go. Much simpler times.
How many hours were you putting in them tractors a year back then?
I liked that pneumatic tire bead breaker, using a 10-pound sledge is kinda "hit & miss" (good-upload)
That sucks, going to be a costly repair. At least the Dealership going to help you get it installed.I like them new shoes you guys have on. Andy you're going to sleep good tonight after this day ends 😴 That tool does an excellent job!! Great vid as always 👌 catchya and the next one. Be safe!!
Why would they its not new its called sh#$ happens we just deal with it and go on nothing sucks worse then breaking down but just like concrete is guaranteed to crack tractors are guaranteed to break
No John Deere won't pay
@@jwhitley101whitleyfarms9 ok I get your point!!
@@FarmingFixingFabricating Good thing he wasn't traveling down the highway when it snapped!!
You guys are good at Farming, Fixing & Fabricating but even better at breaking stuff. I grew up with 6 brothers, and we were pretty hard on equipment, but not even close to the stuff that happens to you guys. Maybe in the 60's, 70's 80's John Deere made better equipment.
All their 8020's have well over 10 000 hrs if I remember right so I wouldn't call it completely unacceptable
Long hours you are going to get problems
Get you some lift straps and use the wheel loader, may have to wrap the straps around several times. Can be a bit tricky but doable and much easier on your back. Cheers :)
Great video Andy! that field repair was not an easy one. I was curious what the tire pressure was and you answered that. I cannot believe one wheel weight is 450lbs! I recognize that sign language too LOL. Thanks for taking us along with your day to day stuff brother. Cheers
You are welcome
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Bro I’ve never done this without a crane. That was AWESOME!!!
High cantilevered load on that axle due to the long distance from the load to the bearing support ? Fatigue ..?
God bless Gerry farmers thanks for all your hard work
Always interesting to see your videos. Always doing something different. Thanks & I appreciate it.
can`t stop watching your interesting videos
Glad to hear that
Dude that is a very very cool tool for breaking tire beads off rim 👏👏👏👏
Hey it makes for a good juicy video ,but you can tell from 12 to15 feet away and a thousand miles to me ,that the axle was fractured. You can clearly see the tell tale dark shadow one third to one half of the way through progressidly. It didn't just fall of due to a thick stem of hay!!! Observations by a journeyman motor vehicle and heavy duty diesel mechanic as well as a journey man Weldor fabricator . Worked at Deere and Cat dealerships as well as farming thanks, nice video none the less!!!!! Well prepped!!!
Man that’s crazy, good thing it wasn’t going down the road.. iv had a few broken axle shafts on trucks and tractors but it’s usually someone’s fault lol. Good video Andy Take it easy
New viewer from Cambridgeshire in the UK love your filming very interesting look forward to following you in the future
Glad to hear
What moisture content is the oats, When we raised oats we had to swath when it got close to ripe it would tangle and sway in the wind and shell, so we swathed on the green side. That was way back before full full floor aeration. Is oats used for calf feed rations.
Oats are dry, horse feed
Gee Andy that axle looks like it’s been cracked for a while 1/2way through,( that dark half moon shape)
I wonder if that inside tire was flat awhile and all the weight was on the dual putting incredible strain on the axle??
It wasn't flat we changed the valve stem because it was bad
Apologize to jr., as I thought in the other video that the wheel axle dropped off while he was merging.
Thanks for letting us see the preparation for the fix.
Blowgun has air coming out, OSHA approved does not..
Harry in Ireland watch your back Andy
You guys wreck more equipment than anyone else I've ever known of!
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How come the senior man is doing all of the bull work? That was crazy when you were holding that heavy part until the kid was finally out of the way. With all the equipment that you have, I was expecting to see you break out some slings and attach them to the bucket loader to pull the final drive off with. It was amazing that no one got hurt. Best wishes to all. Subscribed. : )
Thanks
Just subscribed to your channel. I enjoy watching the repairs done in the field and also like to see the comparison of the “at the shop” repair or continuation of a field repair. Do you have any hired help with the farm or is it all family? And, if possible, could you mention in a non-specific way, how much some of these parts/repairs cost ?Such as,” this part costs in the neighborhood of $--.00 . If possible. Without tears as I’m sure maybe you don’t want to remind yourself of it. I just love American farmers, nothing seems to get them to give up. Give in, at times, maybe, but not give up ! Great videos, thanks.
Both hired and farm employees and I usually discuss costs
Whatever breaks, just stay calm and fix it. Good work, and also reminds me of the 8320 that totalled , still hurts me a bit.
Andy thanks for videos. Sorry about the equipment break down . Only positive is that I feel better knowing it doesn't just happen to me . And you are great at explaining things . Adult beverages galore on that break down . 👍🍺🍺🇺🇸 Just hit the subscription button.
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judging by the dark color in the center of the broken axle I would say it has been cracked for a while, Looks like it could be a common problem with the wheels extending so far out, It might be a good idea to dye checked the axles on the off season or when the brakes are being done.
Yeah it was and it was from a torch weakening the steel
Respect ...great skills great Job
Espcially field fixes
How many hours were on that thi g when that happened?
About 13,000 when that happened it has 15,340 hours on it now
7:22 hope for him that knock sound wasn't the diff's bevel gear falling in the transmission case!
Years ago we owned a case 500. All orange in color. We were making irrigation ditches and the ditches took too big a bite and stopped the tractor dead in the tracks and the axle broke. I was young but it seemed bigger around. Well we ordered a new axle. Three months later it came. It had stickers from all over the world. It went to Japan and the to England and Germany. Postal service
Is their a cause for that axle to snap out of like that? Maybe you can look in the assembly n see anything obvious for a cause. Bushing or outer bearing in the casing .
All looks normal
I like how you got the tires and axle off of the large John Deere tractor and had to get the axle replaced. The way you took the tire off to replace the valve stem was nice also and the tire bead breaker works nicely also and must have been a great help in the shop. I hope you all got the machine back running without too much down time and the work was completed in the field.
Yes all back together
@@FarmingFixingFabricating That is great.
I couldn't imagine how mad my dad would be at me, if that happened while I was using it 😂 .... yea I actually can imagine it
It wasn't the fault of operator. Have you gone back to school yet?
Glad you found out the apparent cause of the broken axle to be someone before your time using a cutting torch to remove a bearing. That created a weak point in the tempered axle which is damaged from the excessive heat. Hope that becomes a Deere bulletin to all Deere mechanics at least for future reference.
Cutting a bearing off wouldn't have caused that to break, if the bearing was out and it got hot maybe
@@RJ1999x they cut the axle when cutting the bearing off. You can see the notch at the bottom of the axle when he shows it inside the wheel. You can also see that the break face is smooth around that point and more rough on the top half, indicating a fatigue crack emanating from the lower point on the axle, most likely caused by the stress concentration caused by the cut.
@@j.e.honiball1327 doubtful, possible, but doubtful
@@RJ1999x I wasn't speculating, that is a textbook stress concentration fatigue failure, I know because I have the textbook right here.
@@j.e.honiball1327 lol! Seems odd that the axle had no overbuild in it, that a nick from a torch would cause it to fail, but then again it's a John Deere so it's very possible
When I was a kid we had a Ford 8N, a real old cub, and Ford NAA (?brain is old) Anyway they all had calcium chloride inside the tires for weight. Do they still do that?
Yes but not as much
The dark spot in that axle is where it first started failing. It starts as a small crack and then when it stressed it will crack a little more, then a little more. It creates beach marks, or semi circle rings that originate from the initial crack. That small flaw will continue to grow until its big enough to cause a sudden failure. I can see the faint signs of the beach marks and it looks like the failure originated from inside the axle core but hard to tell from the video.
You are corret. Cypris made the axle forgings to Deere specs. As a tier 1 vendor, we were requirerd to get forgings from Cypris. However, Deere slipped on the inspection of the metalurgy. When the first axle broke there was a lot of finger pointing. Deere blamed us for not ultrasounding the forgings, but they wouldn't pay for the additional work.
Well at least it broke in the field not going down the road
as an old machinist if you look there is a large dark scallop in the axel the was a flaw in the original steel they cut the axel from seen it many times in logging skidders and many other machines brian from washington state
Hate to see that happen!! We bought an 8120 brand new back in 04. Put close to 12,500 hard hours on it feeding cattle and pulling a vac planter for years. Probably one of the most reliable tractors we ever owned!
Framing Fixing & Fabricating , Andy, please be careful trying to handle parts like that! I just crossed the 15 year anniversary of me blowing 3 discs out on my lower back! I was replacing Intercoolers on a large Marine Diesel Main Engine. A 16-645-E2 EMD (think a really big Detroit) (645 Ci per cyl x 16 cylinders) 3000 hp that might have weighed 200 pounds. Hell, I used to pick them up by my self but this time there were three men on it when one of them lost his footing and caused him to fall down. I caught all the weight to stop it from crushing his legs, I never even had a second to think about it, it was something anyone of us would do. This caused my to have to have back surgery and ended a 30 year career as a Chief Engineer. I live in pain to this day but I know that anyone of us would have done the same thing if in the same situation! When something happens, there is NO time to thing "What might happen", you just react. When I saw you take the weight when that broke free, I had flash backs to when I did my back in, you only get one back, please try (I know it's hard and I'm sure years of abusing my back doing things like this didn't help) to be careful and remember, the make chain falls for a good reason!
Thanks
So inside tire was flat when the axle broke?
I have a question. Can bearing failure cause that shaft too break?
We later found out that the failure was caused by cutting an old bearing off the axle that weekend the axle
YOU ARE one strong MAN. LIKE THE POSITIVE DEMENTER. God bless Farmers.
Andy, get a JRB jib boom to go on your loader quick coupler.
Not Much luck with the 8020's ehh? Nice video Andy keep up the great work!
Good stuff boss..Sure would be nice to know what happened to that axle..similar thing happened to me with a WD Allis in 1973.. Never figured that one either..
Seen it happen on a Jd 9430. Work for les schwab went out today and put hubs and wheels back on after it got axel replaced
I hope its under warranty. Even when its out. My mate had a Komatsu bulldozer a few years ago that failed in rear planetarys, Komatsu of Japan sent a new dozer out to N.Z at no charge, they were really embarrased as the N.Z agents forgot to fill oil on pre delivery.
Hello -- I Grew up farming too -- Time -- Starts 2 hr`s before the Sun and when the Dog stops following you supper time or when you hear the sleigh bells Mom rang to get in here Ah the good ol days LOL SUBBED You .
Excellent video well done top job top team awesome thanks
Sure hope warranty would take care of this!! Why are all the video of new JD braking down? I mean either it's axle bearing to broken teeth in the trans to broken axles
This tractor is over 15 years old with 12,000 hours on it
We have been driving John Deere small frame 7000 series for quiet some time and would like to upgrade to large frame 7 or 8000 series JD for the baler and other work, but I am getting a little sick of the stories what I hear of those series. Is this normal that a axle just breaks of? How are the IVT's . Do I need to be worried and stay with the 'german' versions?
They all have there little problems. 8000 series have generally been pretty good.
Go Ford or New Holland 🇳🇱 🤔
We had the axle break on a pull back tractor at a tractor pull I was involved with-- it was running duals, and the sled is an easy pull for my little John Deere MT-- never did figure out why it broke...
Ytsktory
Need to get a lifting reach attachment for your loader. Makes it a lot safer to take stuff like that apart in the field.
Could’ve just took the telehandler
That sure is CLEAN off! So neat cut..
Just found your channel and see you have lovely children and they are great drivers now The big question is do you pie and Wages lol
Yes they get paid
Why did that axle break in the first place? It looks thick enough that it shouldn't break unless it had a weak spot in it in the first place.
You picked a fine time to.leave me loose wheel
Might be time to switch to the Red Tractors. Unless you like working on em!! :) Keep up the great videos!!
This is true, I have never seen a green tractor 🚜. Massey Ferguson is the #1 in fields around the world, for durability and reliability you get a MF.
@@europaeuropa1858 lol he meant case ih but I like all colors
Very interesting video, thank you for sharing. I am dealing with a very similiar situation here in Brazil. Did you find anything about the reason for the axle breaking? Did the owner or the manufacturer have a failure analysis done?
Its an older tractor so no
It had a bearing cut off the axle several years ago with a torch.That weakened it.
You made the tire work look easy
Having been a machinist, mechanic, semi owner. I would say that if that axle didn't have any extraordinary stress, then the metal in that axle must have been flawed. I'm betting it is a part defect. It may have no warrantee but that is JD poor quality.
Made in China steel that they use
We haven't had U.S. steel in a long time hopefully thats about to change trump 2020
the axle came from china
@@jwhitley101whitleyfarms9 They said it was gonna change in 2016 too, they're probably still gonna be saying it in 2032
justin whitley I pray Trump will win big time.
Andy, a few questions, how many acres of oats do you grow. Around here, east central Wi very little oats is grown and used anymore. It is a cheap crop to grow but the farmers like wheat straw better and the feed value of the oats isn’t that great compared to other crops.
140 acres, we don't regularly grow them. Part straw is actually more absorbent than wheat straw
Was the inside duel flat when the axle broke? I've see some things happen when you have to much air in the floatations
No we deflated tire to replace valve stem
Hate to ask how much that cost to get that, repaired and ,up and running . 😳😳😳
Are you cutting oats for feed or selling them? We've always cut em for hay but I'm considering combining them next year
Selling them
That would wake you up very quickly... Does Deere have an issue with their axles or are you just unlucky?
Both
I broke front axles on all my compact John Deere tractors. If you check this out they made a 4000 series tractor. They would not warranty anything. I had to pay for all of the cost of repair. I went 75 miles to another Deere dealer and found out the truth. They had a TSB that when the front axle was made they jigged it wrong. If you had a front loader and you used it a lot the front axle would break. Their fix was to stop making the 4000 series and come out with a new 4001 series. I sold the Deere.
I now run Kubota. No problems of any kind. The tractor has never been back to the dealer for anything. The tractor is a B Series 2301.
Looks like a good rig to turn into a pullin tractor now💪 lol!! Nice when ya got all the tools to work on a problem like that 👍👍
It seems you have broken several axels.. is this typical for John Deere compared to other tractor manufactures??
No
Is that anything to do with running duals all the time Andy? Maybe get some wide ish singles?
Nah
De ju Vue, was it this tractor that broke the axle on the other side a year or so ago.
Yes
We always used a smaller tyre on the outside wheel of a dual set-up, to reduce the bending stress on the axle.
Smaller tire will wear out real quick, you need to run same size tire
Smaller tyre or less pressure outsides,more sensitive driving on rough surfaces a.s.o.Thank you.
Drove tractors all my life ( retired now ) seen this happen before , but i some times wonder the axle was made for one wheel , so putting two must put more stress on the metal than what it was made for ?????
That wouldn't matter
These tractors are engineered for duals. In fact they can be ordered from the factory with duals and most often are ordered that way. It’s actually pretty rare to see an 8000 JD without duals.
you are a mad man Andy lol ... watch out for your back, don't take much to put yourself out of commission for a few weeks...
Do you think the chain caught that valve stem while you picking up that set of duals?
No it was on the bottom
My guess is that the extra chain clipped the valve... i did that to my pair.. also their chains, when the duals are of- can do the same when lifting/maneuvering them around.
Some got it
Would the flat tire add extra stress to the axle?
It wasn't flat, we had to replace the valve stem
Just looked up from your video and saw a U-2 headed home to Beale AFB pretty sure Francis Gary Powers was not flying it
Is fixing this easy? Can you easily get the part
Yes oats are readily available
Hello from BONBEACH Melbourne Victoria (Australia). We live in the suburbs of the City of Melbourne. Pardon my ignorance, couple of questions please.
Do you have a fair dinkum (i.e. reality good) GPS programmed with waypoints etc controlling where the various machines drive and operate in the fields. Re the iPad, what does the program on there do for you? Great informative video about big farm equipment. Thankyou.
We have GPS controlled by the tractor computer
“This is not an OSHA approved blow gun.” That is why it works.
Used to work for john deere. Last time I seen one brake like that a torched was used to cut the bearing race off the axle shaft. Could see where the crack started where the axle shaft was cut into with a torch.
Yes that's what happened