This was the clearest explanation on aiming methods for Asiatic bows that I have seen on youtube - thank you for this, it was really helpful as I have generally shot instinctively but often suspected I might improve by using, at least at times, a method of aiming - I will try all three and see what works for me 🙂
I love that you referenced different methods of shooting for different circumstances. Ancient archers used bows for a variety of purposes, only some of which were slow, long-distance, precise shooting like moder sport archery.
So far as I experienced, these aiming methods are related to one's dominant eye basically. Considering, you're right handed and hold your bow in the left hand, arrow on the right side - when your dominant eye is your right eye, you use the inside aiming method, when your dominant eye is your left eye, you use the outside method for aiming. Thing is, your hand that holds the bow is in the exact same position in both cases. Try and close your non-dominant eye while aiming (in the way you prefer) then switch eyes, you'll see that (for example) your inside aiming point matches up the outside aiming point. And yep, split vision is actually both at once, the bow itself 'disappears' from your direct sight and allows you to focus on the target only. In this case the outside/inside aiming points become blur, but you can still use whichever you like as reference.
Thank you for this! Really great explanation. I have always shot instinctively and never really knew how to even approach aiming. I'm going to try these
Look at your target, clear your mind, aim, pressure the lower fingers on the handle, thumb release proper with khatra, a subtle movement of turning the bow. A natural flow that is hard to put into a manual🏹 Saracen Archery will get one primed into proper techniques 📖 but don’t fixate on it. At first it is difficult and arrows spray widely, especially after having shot Mediterranean style. But suddenly there is the connection and accurate shooting becomes the norm. I love shooting Asia style🌟 I have been following your channel and learned a lot since we both got into shooting the Fred Bear takedown. A very nice bow to shoot still as well🙏
BRO YES! Just the video I was looking for, gonna have to peruse historical weapons channel too, i can split an arrow im that accuraye but this new bow has been a bit of a struggle to figure out and its dark outside, AND I got a 50 lb bow which miiight bave been a bit too much not that im co plaining about a good workout 😅
Concise and to the point, thanks man 🙂 Although I'm still working on my expanding release (Gao Ying), will worry about aiming when I get that a bit more erm, "consistent" with my technique...
That was brilliant. Nice and clear and jargon free. I love shooting my low poundage bow but got frustrated feeling almost forced to shoot intuitively as my end results varied when increasing distance.
Woo~ I use split vision, like olympic shooters, use both your eyes 8D I shoot through the bow, in japanese texts the three methods you explained are sliiightly different. Full moon, Half moon and Dark Full moon; you have the entire target on the 'outside' of the bow Half moon; you have half the target outside and half inside Dark; you're looking through the bow.
Ive got recently a Turkish Horseman bow made from bamboo maple and fibreglass composite and it shoots spot on and its really snappy. I love speed shootingusing the instinctive method its so much fun...
4:15 I'm using 2 ways of aiming based on my arrow alignment. If I need to shoot faster like training for fast knock on horse, I'll use through/outside the bow, because easiest and fastest anchor to get is outside cheekbone so generally my arrow will align more to target when I shift bow more right. It's also easier to see the target bcs you can/must see target first, and the bow picture will noticable enough but not distracting my target view. I'm struggling to shoot the same way for longer distance since arrow alignment isn't guaranteed if your anchor isn't too fixed, then my coach suggest to force my anchor inside my cheek. This way I get two benefit: I can see the string so my arrow will appeared more straight into target, and my anchor point get additional reference point so I'll less likely to get different anchor.
Shooters in my country use the tip of the bow as reference and do a 'face crawling' or 'face walking'. This is similar to string walking where it's using the tip as a constant reference but adjusting different anchor point for different distances.
That’s exactly what I do, I was originally taught about gap shooting and string walking. I stuck to gap shooting because string walking just felt weird to me (and probably isn’t good for some of the bows I use). I tend to gap shoot and anchor at my cheekbone area and anything over 60 yards I’ll lower the anchor point (like adjusting elevation on a rifle rear sight).
I use the “through the bow” method or split vision. Not because I prefer it, but through trial and error, that’s simply where most of my good shots fly to.
From my experience if you use both eyes to aim then knowing which eye is your dominate eye will help a lot to find comfortable way to aim and getting better at grouping.
I’m sure you don’t remember. But you sir used to play War Thunder, it wasn’t this account but I had asked you to play the T-60 because I was struggling with it when I started playing the game. I still remember you.
I prefer the inside of the bow ie the right side. I line up with the shaft and then I adjust usually a little to the left and depending on distance then raise it up or down….
Thanks for this. Planning to get back into horse bows soon but after getting used to string walking I don’t want to go back to instinctive. I feel much better with some sort of aiming system.
Hi NUSensei - and thanks for another great and helpful video. I shoot my asiatic bows with the mediterranean draw - can any of the 3 methods be useful?
Yes, though since you have the arrow on the same side as your eye, you don't need to use the "inside" and have the option of gap-shooting with the tip of the arrow. You can otherwise use the "outside" of the bow using the bow's shape as a reference.
Great video, thank you. It is interesting how you shoot off your thumb (on the left hand). I ve always shot off the other side. So the fletchings would slide off my knuckle on my left hand. Is it just preference? Or is that a better way?
I learned to shoot instinctively, with both eyes open. I'm left eye dominant and right handed. This is a huge problem with shooting clay pigeons with a shotgun--also done instinctively with both eyes open--as the left eye acquires the target coming from the left and won't let the right eye take over to look along the barrel. Is it common or usual to close one eye when aiming with the bow? I don't think my dominant eye is taking over with archery. I believe the right eye, which is closest to the arrow is staying in charge. I'm not very good, but I keep making new bows and don't shoot the same bow often enough!
I've been trying out this style of bow but the arrows are flying hugely to the right. I have to point the arrow at an imaginary target to the left just to be able to hit the target. I'm guessing it's not supposed to be like that. Anyone have any ideas what's gone wrong? Thanks
Mediterranean draw I can shoot a tight group. As soon as I switch to thumb draw on the other side I can't hit anything. Modern Rogue talks about turning the wrist...and yet I have zero success trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
Don't worry about the wrist turn. That is a referenced method, but it's not widely used and is fairly advanced in execution. Most people don't even think about it. The main thing is to become accustomed to looking at the target, where the arrow will go. Since you have the arrow on the opposite side, it is going to point off. Think about where your eyes will focus (over, in or through the bow).
How do you shoot with your glasses on? When I shoot with my sunglasses on it’s always fouling with my full draw and I have to remove the glasses. What do you suggest please? Thanks
Two points: 1. How much cant do you have in your draw. Canting the bow takes the upper half of the string away from the side of your face and glasses. 2. The style of sunglasses might also be your problem. Many have the outer portion of the lenses and the arms sweeping out and around the side of the head. If this poor descriptiion here sort of describes your glasses, then consider a pair that fit tightly to your head. The pair I have for occasionally shooting when the sun is in my face are close fitting and are used only for archery. I'm not about to have them broken doing some other activity. Given the overpriced cost of sunglasses, this sounds rather harsh, but the fact is sunglasses seem to be made for fashion, not function.
I have a question, learning how to shoot on a traditional recurve bow, and I'd like to know how one could align the string vertically? I see some almost looking behind the string over the arrow with the string touching the tip of the nose and others with the string on the side which is what I naturally do, but is the a reference point I can use to make it more consistant?
Odd question but I just got a hungarian mygar bow to expand my archery. What kind of quiver would you suggest? I generally prefer a side draw. My other bow is an English longbow
If I may ask for your guidance please? I went to a clinic on horseback archery in 2019, and spent the whole first day missing the target. It turned out I had to hold the bow right handed and aim with my right eye. My dominant eye is the left one, so this is very awkward for me. Also, maybe I am a lost cause in this sport since I don't have depth vision? So what will you recommend with aiming... Shooting with bow shaft in my right, aiming with my dominant eye through the outside aim? Or inside aim? Or train my right eye for aiming and aiming on the inside? I am confused, it is so long ago
I want to try getting into archery, specifically Korean archery, do you have any recommendations of any "beginner" level Korean reflex bows I could try (probably 30-40#), and if there isn't an archery club nearby where do you go to practice?
maybe you can help me , I have a no-name horse bow (was told it is a Mongolian Horse Bow) , need a new string , it measures 42 inches from end of loop to end of loop and the the loops are 3 inches , where can I get one ??? , thanks , take care , Michael
im a right hand shooter ,why does when i use thumb grip for the horse bow my arrow deflect greatly to the right when I shoot at a high distance like in more then 10 m,it differs when I use my index grip where it provide far better aim than my thumb
This is unrelated but, I was wondering about bow storage. I can store my bow laying on its side on a flat surface(in my case its a table) and it should be fine right?
I haven't used mine much, since I have better bows to play with. One of my learners is using one. The bow shoots fine. I don't really like the ergonomics of it.
Hi, I would like to start shooting an asian style recurve, instictively, with the arrow on the RIGHT side of the grip. I draw right handed. It appears my view of the target is now very limited compared with the other way around. What am I missing here? Is this normal? Thank you. (I'm only used to shooting modern recurves with a center cut window.)
I'm also right handed and left eye dominant. Tough shooting a shot gun--but doesn't seem to be a problem shooting a bow instinctively with both eyes open.
Quick question, I noticed you draw with your right hand, and the arrow is also on the right hand side of the bow. Are there any shooting methods that rest the arrow on the left side of the bow? My natural stance with this type of bow is holding it at sort of a diagonal angle and resting the arrow between the bow and my left index finger.
What is best and proper way to draw an horse or Asiatic bow? I recently bought a PMZ Korean bow and have problems with how to draw this bow. I tried using 3 under and place the arrow on the left side of the bow shaft, just like the style how I shoot my long bow and other recurve. But when I try to place the arrow on the right side of the bow and use 3 under, the arrows consistently fly further away to the right. What is the best and proper way to shoot an Asiatic or Korean bow and why?
The most common method is the thumb draw. This is universally the method used for Asiatic bows. Three-under fingers doesn't work because it will flick the arrow to the right, whereas the thumb draw will push the arrow against the bow.
@@NUSensei After re-review your explanation in this video again, it seems the reason of why my aim and the real arrow flight path fly further away to the right is all horse bows or Asiatic bows will shoot to far away to the right (for right hand shooter). It really depends on arrow spine or whether Khatra is been used. I figure there is an angle that is exist between the arrow flight path and the arrow aim. This angle also will be impacted by the arrow spine. A slightly under-spine arrow is better than a slightly over-spine arrow when Khatra is been used. But regardless spine of arrow, Khatra technique has more impact when shooting horse or Asiatic bows. Thanks,
The index finger of the string hand pins the arrow against the bow, so it keeps it in place. The arrow tends to bounce when placed on the knuckle side, though that can be mitigated.
An important insight for me was that "instinctive" archery is really a myth. All it is, is aiming using a total or holistic sight-picture of the bow hand and bow instead of a fixed reference point like the tip of the arrow. This was proved by asking instinctive archers to try to hit a laser dot on the wall in a pitch black room. Without the visual cues of their bow, string, and hand in their vision, they were unable to hit the dot and missed fairly wide. This proved that even instinctive shooting relies on the visual position of the bow and bow hand in relation to the target in your sight, and isn't just muscle memory as some people believe. Recognizing this, it makes a lot of sense to just make the whole process more precise, by choosing a fixed reference point like the arrow tip, or a spot on the bow or your knuckle to line up with the target. With the arrow on the right side for a horsebow, I've found it's helpful to make a small mark or put a piece of tape around the bow handle right above your bow hand knuckle, as a visual guide that you can line up to the target.
Indeed, when you see expert instinctive shooters talk about their technique, they talk about reference points - sight picture, string alignment, gap, etc. The definition of "instinctive" used today tends to be literally "shoot by feel", as in "guess" where the shot will go and compensate from there, and casual viewers presume that the skills used in stunt shooting are instinctive. But "real" instinctive is very much about paying attention to your reference points, with your eyes focused on the target more than anything else.
on top of that i got a robin hood "splitting the arrow down the middle" while on a hours bearing in mind im under 16 i aim through and around at the same time
This largely depends on the skill of the archer and what standards you have for consistency. I would say that a skilled shooter can probably attain a hand-sized grouping at 10-20 metres with instinctive shooting, hit middle of target consistently but with wide grouping at 30m. Beyond that and it becomes a matter of hitting the target or not. If you look at Mihai Cozmei's 10 arrows in 10 seconds video, which is pure instinctive shooting, he can hit all shots on a 40m target, but they are all over the target. I'd say that beyond 30m, the archer is going to want to aim - consciously or subconsciously.
That is unfair, your using SPEED shooting as a guage for accuracy? OK lets see how accurate an olympic recurve can fire 10 arrows in 10 seconds at 40meters. I bet they can't even do it. IF you have skill you can shoot longer distances, the only difference is you need to be more skilled. You do not need a sight to have good judgement and you can be accurate at long range with skill. Its kinda like saying you can't kick a football with accuracy over 30 meters...because you don't have a sight, and we know that isn't true.
@@Ashbringer85 I'm not sure what your point is. My statement is that Mihai is certainly using instinctive shooting with his method. Rather than lash out at the Olympic straw man argument, just show an instinctive shooter who is more accurate. What makes this more ambiguous is that when you take a slower shooter, it's more likely that they are aiming and not shooting "instinctively", which in turn is an "unfair" assessment of instinctive shooting.
you have a nocking point on your string?!? Ain't that "cheating" or "against the rules"? Question: Is aiming a short (48 inch with 30 inch max. draw length) "Turkish" horsebow the same? The only difference I see between it and my "Mongolian" horsebows (aside from the lengths) is the grip on the "Turkish" bow is reversed; the bump or swell is on the other side of the bow, facing away from the user. I hope to someday be able to hit the target with them (and my recurve with a sight) as well as I do with my compound bows.
Your entire channel has been nothing but beneficial. Love your attention to details. 👍
This was the clearest explanation on aiming methods for Asiatic bows that I have seen on youtube - thank you for this, it was really helpful as I have generally shot instinctively but often suspected I might improve by using, at least at times, a method of aiming - I will try all three and see what works for me 🙂
I love that you referenced different methods of shooting for different circumstances. Ancient archers used bows for a variety of purposes, only some of which were slow, long-distance, precise shooting like moder sport archery.
So far as I experienced, these aiming methods are related to one's dominant eye basically. Considering, you're right handed and hold your bow in the left hand, arrow on the right side - when your dominant eye is your right eye, you use the inside aiming method, when your dominant eye is your left eye, you use the outside method for aiming. Thing is, your hand that holds the bow is in the exact same position in both cases. Try and close your non-dominant eye while aiming (in the way you prefer) then switch eyes, you'll see that (for example) your inside aiming point matches up the outside aiming point. And yep, split vision is actually both at once, the bow itself 'disappears' from your direct sight and allows you to focus on the target only. In this case the outside/inside aiming points become blur, but you can still use whichever you like as reference.
My left eye is dominant but I shoot the right-handed way 💀 I'm left-handed mostly, but maybe more cross-dominant
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Very glad to see the right side method. That’s what’s always felt more natural to me
Korean traditional archery is also the right side method.
Another great video from you...thanks... à great teacher!!!... you should be a school teacher!!!... what ever you explain... you are great!!!
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Nusensei good to see you again!
Great video mate. I've wondered about this for awhile. Your delivery on the subject matter make it obvious you're a teacher by profession.
Thank you for this! Really great explanation. I have always shot instinctively and never really knew how to even approach aiming. I'm going to try these
I'm glad you made this video. I was thinking of this exact topic just a few days ago. I have a horsebow and I don't really know how to aim it. Thanks!
Look at your target, clear your mind, aim, pressure the lower fingers on the handle, thumb release proper with khatra, a subtle movement of turning the bow. A natural flow that is hard to put into a manual🏹 Saracen Archery will get one primed into proper techniques 📖 but don’t fixate on it. At first it is difficult and arrows spray widely, especially after having shot Mediterranean style. But suddenly there is the connection and accurate shooting becomes the norm. I love shooting Asia style🌟
I have been following your channel and learned a lot since we both got into shooting the Fred Bear takedown. A very nice bow to shoot still as well🙏
Ive learned so much from you I feel like i owe you money
BRO YES! Just the video I was looking for, gonna have to peruse historical weapons channel too, i can split an arrow im that accuraye but this new bow has been a bit of a struggle to figure out and its dark outside, AND I got a 50 lb bow which miiight bave been a bit too much not that im co plaining about a good workout 😅
great interesting video!
Please keep up your phantastic work. All the best - from Austria to Australia 🙂
Just got my Mongolian horse bow, I can’t wait to go try it out tomorrow
Concise and to the point, thanks man 🙂
Although I'm still working on my expanding release (Gao Ying), will worry about aiming when I get that a bit more erm, "consistent" with my technique...
Thanks, you for putting this together. Good information.
Went to an archery shop in Colorado Springs day before yesterday to get some TLC on my compound.. they were watching your channel :)
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Several people in the ßhop were looking at traditional bows and the shop owner is big on learning to help his customers!
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That was brilliant. Nice and clear and jargon free. I love shooting my low poundage bow but got frustrated feeling almost forced to shoot intuitively as my end results varied when increasing distance.
Woo~ I use split vision, like olympic shooters, use both your eyes 8D
I shoot through the bow, in japanese texts the three methods you explained are sliiightly different.
Full moon, Half moon and Dark
Full moon; you have the entire target on the 'outside' of the bow
Half moon; you have half the target outside and half inside
Dark; you're looking through the bow.
Ive got recently a Turkish Horseman bow made from bamboo maple and fibreglass composite and it shoots spot on and its really snappy. I love speed shootingusing the instinctive method its so much fun...
4:15 I'm using 2 ways of aiming based on my arrow alignment. If I need to shoot faster like training for fast knock on horse, I'll use through/outside the bow, because easiest and fastest anchor to get is outside cheekbone so generally my arrow will align more to target when I shift bow more right. It's also easier to see the target bcs you can/must see target first, and the bow picture will noticable enough but not distracting my target view. I'm struggling to shoot the same way for longer distance since arrow alignment isn't guaranteed if your anchor isn't too fixed, then my coach suggest to force my anchor inside my cheek. This way I get two benefit: I can see the string so my arrow will appeared more straight into target, and my anchor point get additional reference point so I'll less likely to get different anchor.
Shooters in my country use the tip of the bow as reference and do a 'face crawling' or 'face walking'. This is similar to string walking where it's using the tip as a constant reference but adjusting different anchor point for different distances.
That’s exactly what I do, I was originally taught about gap shooting and string walking. I stuck to gap shooting because string walking just felt weird to me (and probably isn’t good for some of the bows I use). I tend to gap shoot and anchor at my cheekbone area and anything over 60 yards I’ll lower the anchor point (like adjusting elevation on a rifle rear sight).
I always prefer the inside methode and bringing nock, shaft and tip in line with the target.
Yeah I shoot this way too, because I anchor at my cheekbone I can still use the arrow tip as a reference
Great! You can shoot a bow in both directions. I've only tried archery in the right way because I only did Korean traditional archery.
I prefer the outside methode, because you got the best sightpicture
Very helpful, thank you.
I use the “through the bow” method or split vision. Not because I prefer it, but through trial and error, that’s simply where most of my good shots fly to.
I've been thinking about getting one and a thumb ring and some arrows. I'll add it to the list lol
From my experience if you use both eyes to aim then knowing which eye is your dominate eye will help a lot to find comfortable way to aim and getting better at grouping.
I’m sure you don’t remember. But you sir used to play War Thunder, it wasn’t this account but I had asked you to play the T-60 because I was struggling with it when I started playing the game. I still remember you.
I like to point at the target with the index finger on my bow hand. I learned it from Manchu style but it's good on most bows.
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I prefer the inside of the bow ie the right side. I line up with the shaft and then I adjust usually a little to the left and depending on distance then raise it up or down….
Thanks for this. Planning to get back into horse bows soon but after getting used to string walking I don’t want to go back to instinctive. I feel much better with some sort of aiming system.
Hi NUSensei - and thanks for another great and helpful video.
I shoot my asiatic bows with the mediterranean draw - can any of the 3 methods be useful?
Yes , i shoot this way and "outside the bow"
Yes, though since you have the arrow on the same side as your eye, you don't need to use the "inside" and have the option of gap-shooting with the tip of the arrow. You can otherwise use the "outside" of the bow using the bow's shape as a reference.
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Hey Nusensei, love your channel.
Any chance of a Mandarin Duck Raider review? Was considering it but can't find any reviews of it.
I do inside of bow when shoot from right hand and outside of bow when shoot from left hand with my Korean horse bow
Great video, thank you.
It is interesting how you shoot off your thumb (on the left hand). I ve always shot off the other side. So the fletchings would slide off my knuckle on my left hand. Is it just preference? Or is that a better way?
Thumb draw is done off the thumb side, otherwise the arrow would be knocked off.
I imagine myself pointing at the target!
这个瞄准教程还是挺详细的，不过有些人两只眼睛视力差异比较大，所以没法用split eye的方式去瞄准。
I learned to shoot instinctively, with both eyes open. I'm left eye dominant and right handed. This is a huge problem with shooting clay pigeons with a shotgun--also done instinctively with both eyes open--as the left eye acquires the target coming from the left and won't let the right eye take over to look along the barrel.
Is it common or usual to close one eye when aiming with the bow?
I don't think my dominant eye is taking over with archery. I believe the right eye, which is closest to the arrow is staying in charge.
I'm not very good, but I keep making new bows and don't shoot the same bow often enough!
I've been trying out this style of bow but the arrows are flying hugely to the right. I have to point the arrow at an imaginary target to the left just to be able to hit the target. I'm guessing it's not supposed to be like that. Anyone have any ideas what's gone wrong? Thanks
Mediterranean draw I can shoot a tight group. As soon as I switch to thumb draw on the other side I can't hit anything. Modern Rogue talks about turning the wrist...and yet I have zero success trying to figure this out. Any ideas?
Don't worry about the wrist turn. That is a referenced method, but it's not widely used and is fairly advanced in execution. Most people don't even think about it. The main thing is to become accustomed to looking at the target, where the arrow will go. Since you have the arrow on the opposite side, it is going to point off. Think about where your eyes will focus (over, in or through the bow).
How do you shoot with your glasses on? When I shoot with my sunglasses on it’s always fouling with my full draw and I have to remove the glasses. What do you suggest please?
Thanks
Two points:
1. How much cant do you have in your draw. Canting the bow takes the upper half of the string away from the side of your face and glasses.
2. The style of sunglasses might also be your problem. Many have the outer portion of the lenses and the arms sweeping out and around the side of the head. If this poor descriptiion here sort of describes your glasses, then consider a pair that fit tightly to your head. The pair I have for occasionally shooting when the sun is in my face are close fitting and are used only for archery. I'm not about to have them broken doing some other activity. Given the overpriced cost of sunglasses, this sounds rather harsh, but the fact is sunglasses seem to be made for fashion, not function.
What do you prefer?
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i used to put the arrow right bellow my eye so that i only have to move upward and downward
I have a question, learning how to shoot on a traditional recurve bow, and I'd like to know how one could align the string vertically? I see some almost looking behind the string over the arrow with the string touching the tip of the nose and others with the string on the side which is what I naturally do, but is the a reference point I can use to make it more consistant?
Odd question but I just got a hungarian mygar bow to expand my archery. What kind of quiver would you suggest? I generally prefer a side draw. My other bow is an English longbow
If I may ask for your guidance please? I went to a clinic on horseback archery in 2019, and spent the whole first day missing the target. It turned out I had to hold the bow right handed and aim with my right eye. My dominant eye is the left one, so this is very awkward for me. Also, maybe I am a lost cause in this sport since I don't have depth vision? So what will you recommend with aiming... Shooting with bow shaft in my right, aiming with my dominant eye through the outside aim? Or inside aim? Or train my right eye for aiming and aiming on the inside? I am confused, it is so long ago
I want to try getting into archery, specifically Korean archery, do you have any recommendations of any "beginner" level Korean reflex bows I could try (probably 30-40#), and if there isn't an archery club nearby where do you go to practice?
If you could pick only 1 bow riser for target / 3D archery / hunting, what would you pick? I'm looking at Samick Discovery, TBOW, and DAS HT21
maybe you can help me , I have a no-name horse bow (was told it is a Mongolian Horse Bow) , need a new string , it measures 42 inches from end of loop to end of loop and the the loops are 3 inches , where can I get one ??? , thanks , take care , Michael
Arrow rest on your thumb is best?
im a right hand shooter ,why does when i use thumb grip for the horse bow my arrow deflect greatly to the right when I shoot at a high distance like in more then 10 m,it differs when I use my index grip where it provide far better aim than my thumb
This is unrelated but, I was wondering about bow storage. I can store my bow laying on its side on a flat surface(in my case its a table) and it should be fine right?
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NU, I was just wondering about the Mandarin Duck phantom bow you have... How has it held up?
I haven't used mine much, since I have better bows to play with. One of my learners is using one. The bow shoots fine. I don't really like the ergonomics of it.
Hi, I would like to start shooting an asian style recurve, instictively, with the arrow on the RIGHT side of the grip. I draw right handed. It appears my view of the target is now very limited compared with the other way around. What am I missing here? Is this normal? Thank you. (I'm only used to shooting modern recurves with a center cut window.)
Same here. Would like to know what distance he does this at.
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I Think split vision with some instinct and practice will Help to shoot Target.
Something like instinctive, left eye dominant right hand shooter.
I'm also right handed and left eye dominant. Tough shooting a shot gun--but doesn't seem to be a problem shooting a bow instinctively with both eyes open.
Same as the other bows. Just move the arrow more to the left. Like your neighbors target ;).
Fully instinctive is best for me.
Quick question, I noticed you draw with your right hand, and the arrow is also on the right hand side of the bow. Are there any shooting methods that rest the arrow on the left side of the bow? My natural stance with this type of bow is holding it at sort of a diagonal angle and resting the arrow between the bow and my left index finger.
Sounds like you are shooting the conventional Mediterranean style?
@@NUSensei yes!!! Thanks. It's just the way I naturally shoot. But nice to know the style has a name
Now when you fire the arrow, does your thumb or your bow hand get a papercut from the fletchings
In this case you should nock your arrow a little higher on the bowstring. I always use a glove to protect my bowhand
If the nocking point is correctly placed, the fletchings will not slice into the thumb.
i use horse bow, but with mediterranen draw.
What is best and proper way to draw an horse or Asiatic bow?
I recently bought a PMZ Korean bow and have problems with how to draw this bow. I tried using 3 under and place the arrow on the left side of the bow shaft, just like the style how I shoot my long bow and other recurve. But when I try to place the arrow on the right side of the bow and use 3 under, the arrows consistently fly further away to the right.
What is the best and proper way to shoot an Asiatic or Korean bow and why?
The most common method is the thumb draw. This is universally the method used for Asiatic bows. Three-under fingers doesn't work because it will flick the arrow to the right, whereas the thumb draw will push the arrow against the bow.
@@NUSensei What you are saying is make sense to me now. That explains all my arrows shoot to the further right. Thank you for explaining the why.
@@NUSensei After re-review your explanation in this video again, it seems the reason of why my aim and the real arrow flight path fly further away to the right is all horse bows or Asiatic bows will shoot to far away to the right (for right hand shooter). It really depends on arrow spine or whether Khatra is been used. I figure there is an angle that is exist between the arrow flight path and the arrow aim. This angle also will be impacted by the arrow spine.
A slightly under-spine arrow is better than a slightly over-spine arrow when Khatra is been used. But regardless spine of arrow, Khatra technique has more impact when shooting horse or Asiatic bows.
Thanks,
Why is the arrow not on the left side, wouldn't it be easier to keep the arrow where it should be if it was on the left side when on a moving horse?
The index finger of the string hand pins the arrow against the bow, so it keeps it in place. The arrow tends to bounce when placed on the knuckle side, though that can be mitigated.
Is you hand in pain when the arrow's body slides on it ?
No. If the nocking point is a little higher than perpendicular, it will not strike the thumb.
If its a horse bow how are you able to shoot it while not on a horse
I found this channel just now from a comment on an old far cry 2 video
An important insight for me was that "instinctive" archery is really a myth. All it is, is aiming using a total or holistic sight-picture of the bow hand and bow instead of a fixed reference point like the tip of the arrow. This was proved by asking instinctive archers to try to hit a laser dot on the wall in a pitch black room. Without the visual cues of their bow, string, and hand in their vision, they were unable to hit the dot and missed fairly wide. This proved that even instinctive shooting relies on the visual position of the bow and bow hand in relation to the target in your sight, and isn't just muscle memory as some people believe. Recognizing this, it makes a lot of sense to just make the whole process more precise, by choosing a fixed reference point like the arrow tip, or a spot on the bow or your knuckle to line up with the target. With the arrow on the right side for a horsebow, I've found it's helpful to make a small mark or put a piece of tape around the bow handle right above your bow hand knuckle, as a visual guide that you can line up to the target.
Indeed, when you see expert instinctive shooters talk about their technique, they talk about reference points - sight picture, string alignment, gap, etc. The definition of "instinctive" used today tends to be literally "shoot by feel", as in "guess" where the shot will go and compensate from there, and casual viewers presume that the skills used in stunt shooting are instinctive. But "real" instinctive is very much about paying attention to your reference points, with your eyes focused on the target more than anything else.
on top of that i got a robin hood "splitting the arrow down the middle" while on a hours bearing in mind im under 16 i aim through and around at the same time
So what are those "certain distances" you can shoot reasonably "instinctively"? :)
actually it depends on the instinct of the shooter, someone that is good can shoot 50m with great accuracy.
This largely depends on the skill of the archer and what standards you have for consistency. I would say that a skilled shooter can probably attain a hand-sized grouping at 10-20 metres with instinctive shooting, hit middle of target consistently but with wide grouping at 30m. Beyond that and it becomes a matter of hitting the target or not. If you look at Mihai Cozmei's 10 arrows in 10 seconds video, which is pure instinctive shooting, he can hit all shots on a 40m target, but they are all over the target. I'd say that beyond 30m, the archer is going to want to aim - consciously or subconsciously.
@@NUSensei I see, thank you!
That is unfair, your using SPEED shooting as a guage for accuracy? OK lets see how accurate an olympic recurve can fire 10 arrows in 10 seconds at 40meters. I bet they can't even do it. IF you have skill you can shoot longer distances, the only difference is you need to be more skilled. You do not need a sight to have good judgement and you can be accurate at long range with skill. Its kinda like saying you can't kick a football with accuracy over 30 meters...because you don't have a sight, and we know that isn't true.
@@Ashbringer85 I'm not sure what your point is. My statement is that Mihai is certainly using instinctive shooting with his method. Rather than lash out at the Olympic straw man argument, just show an instinctive shooter who is more accurate. What makes this more ambiguous is that when you take a slower shooter, it's more likely that they are aiming and not shooting "instinctively", which in turn is an "unfair" assessment of instinctive shooting.
It would be better if you can show with signs or pointings
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Hi Nu Sensei! Can you cover pvc bows next?
I practice this type of shooting and honestly can't describe how I "aim". And I'm moderately accurate 🤔
my god that first little vid arrows were def not matched to bow
you have a nocking point on your string?!?
Ain't that "cheating" or "against the rules"?
Question:
Is aiming a short (48 inch with 30 inch max. draw length) "Turkish" horsebow the same?
The only difference I see between it and my "Mongolian" horsebows (aside from the lengths) is the grip on the "Turkish" bow is reversed; the bump or swell is on the other side of the bow, facing away from the user.
I hope to someday be able to hit the target with them (and my recurve with a sight) as well as I do with my compound bows.
The method of aiming doesn't need to be different. You can adapt your aiming method to what feels right. The grip doesn't change how you aim.
I just point and shoot🙂
exept when he targets other creators on youtube "shaderversity"
also me as a hourse bow user whhat he is telling you is wrong
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