I know you didn't dive too deep into Fire Emblem Heroes but that was probably the most successful Nintendo mobile game because of how much it pleases the whales in the crowd. Also pokemon rumble probably did deserve its fate
I think it is their best performing (mainline) mobile game out of all them. I really wanted to dive into the more successful ones but I also wasn’t sure where to draw the line on the script. I was stuck between doing an entire retrospective or just focusing on the flops
Of course it pleases the whales because it's a waifu gacha game except it's has an established fan base. Furthermore Nintendo hires hentai artists to draw the female characters with overexaggerated body portions and as sexualized as they can get away wth. It's kinda sad but aleast the mainline game aren't effected by this.
You know what's the worst part of Pokémon Duel? It had a pretty decent story mode. That immediately got put into limbo when the game went worldwide. For three years. On a *cliffhanger* of a plot.
I'm expecting Mario Kart Tour to announce EoS by late July / early August (stopping in-app purchases too), then shutdown around November (basically 3 months later), just like with Dragalia Lost and Dr Mario World. *EDIT:* Plus there was a datamine supporting this. An in-game announcement sometime in July is planned.
tbh....i can believe it since every tour track (minus Piranha Plant Pipeline) has been ported to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as likely a way to preserve these tracks for future entries, which would mean the city tracks and the tour Nitro's (which might end up being counted as Mario Kart 8 retro courses) will be here to stay much to the disappointment or frustration of some players
I actually kinda like Dr. Mario World. I wasn’t a huge fan, but it was fun to go through a handful of levels every once in a while. Plus, like you said, official Doctor renders for characters like Waluigi and Bowser were great. Also Pokémon Rumble deserved it’s fate.
Amazing video as always! the last part really made me reconsider why I keep replaying pokemon white at leasst once a year, it takes me back to the good days
I felt so bad for some of these titles, a lot of these were pretty fun to me! Especially Dragalia lost for example, I liked that game when I played it!
It was sad to see so many of their games close its doors back then, but realistically speaking, I was never completely invested into the Nintendo mobile games for a long time. Dr. Mario World and Mario Kart Tour were fun for a while, but it never made me come back to them after a while.
Pokemon Duel was awesome, as someone who didn't get to experience the pokemon figure game, Pokemon Duel was a very fun way to scratch that itch. I downloaded it after remembering it only to find out it died practically silently. I was devastated about that. And yes, Pokemon Rumble deserved its fate
Coming back to this channel 4 Months later, I’m impressed & Satisfied with the editing skills you have! From the smooth transitions, To how calm your voice is, You crafted a really great documentary and I’m proud of it! But about the topic of the video: I think the reason why Nintendo didn’t had too much success in the mobile game market is because Video game/PC companies like Sega, Nintendo, EA & Steam had more great success for there hardware & console games, The mobile games however in my opinion were overshadowed by The scummy Micro-Transactions like Mario Kart Tours Loot box system. The ones that would last & have the spotlight longer in the App Store are the Indie game startups Like Popcap (Plants Vs Zombies), Rovio (Angry Birds) & Zeptolab (Cut the rope). However, mobile game franchises lose there popularity at a certain point for different reasons Like Micro-Transactions, Lack of creativity or Targeting towards a audience of Young kids.
My god this Video was so high quality. Keep up the good work! I didn't even know half of the games that you were talking about even existed. I feel like if I knew Miitomo was a thing back when it came out, I probably would have used it pretty actively because I think the concept is really cool. Pokémon Rumble definitely deserved it’s fate though
Ehhh, they're more obnoxiously overdone more than anything. It's the kind kf annoying editing that's meant to keep people engaged since that whole thing about TH-cam having made people's attention spans shorter than ever.😑
To me, it's unforgiving how Nintendo and Cygames forgot about Dragalia Lost. It was the first new IP made in a mobile space. They should've put it on the Switch, but left it to die, for hardly any reason.
Fantastic Video. The thing about a community dying along with the game is something I'm beginning to experience and it really hurts in the moment. Mario Kart Tour had a really rocky beginning, it was awfully monetised and greedy. But as time went on, it became very clear that this was a game Nintendo cared about. The constant updates, the amount of content, the artwork. It took some time but this game managed to get back on it's feet, heck, they even outright removed gacha as the primary acquisition method after the 3rd anniversary. It was hard being a fan of this game. It still is. As you said, first impressions matter a lot and Tour's horrible first impression stuck with the game and did not leave. Even when many of the problems were addressed, people still treat the game as if it had them. There's such a horrible stigma against the game and part of that extends to the community as well. It's hard for one to just like the game since it's basically just "that money-hungry gacha" in most's eyes. Heck, I've been seeing so many Mario Kart full series "Retrospectives" but every single one of them ignore Tour as if it was just a footnote and didn't do anything. The Booster Course Pass didn't even really help too much since it just made people see Tour as a catalyst for MK8 content and when they started releasing Tour's non-city nitros early in 8 and not crediting them as such in game, it just killed a lot of potential positive press for the game. A course as beloved as Yoshi's Island didn't even make it's initial debut in the game it was made for. When the end to it's content was announced, it was bittersweet. This game I've played for 4 years, ever since launch- This game I've stuck with through thick and thin, adding it's final bit of new content on it's 4th anniversary. For all it did wrong, Tour still deserves to be remembered and acknowledged as much as any other game. The BCP wouldn't have even existed if it didn't exist. Fantastic video, and Pokémon Rumble deserved it's fate.
Dragalia Lost's shutdown gets me the most. I absolutely loved that game with all of my heart. That game, aside from being a bit TOO generous for it's own good, did absolutely everything right. The gameplay was FAAAAAAR above most other mobile games, the phenomenal art style by Naoki Saitou, the killer soundtrack that also features music from Japanese singer/rapper Daoko, the story and characters were honestly far better than they had any right to be, and it even had some awesome collabs with game series like Mega Man and Monster Hunter. Quite frankly it had SO much going for it and there was potential for it to have been as successful if not MORESO than even games like Fire Emblem Heroes. Asides from the monetization being so optional it almost hurts, the game was really killed by the lack of any substantial advertising of any kind. I can count on my hand how many times I ACTUALLY saw ads on TH-cam for this game. I feel like if the game actually had more advertising, had more microtransactions that ACTUALLY incentivized players to spend without ruining the excellent pacing of the game, as well actually actually get a release on the Switch which would have actually drawn in more players, I think it might have lasted far longer than it ended up doing so. DL was my favorite mobile game of all time for the four years it was still online, and I would pay my life savings if Nintendo and Cygames ever decided to release an Offline version of the game someday. It truly deserved WAAAAAY better than what it ended up getting and I seriously hope we get something, ANYTHING from this IP someday.
I actually think you may have just found the answer to the question I couldn’t really solve. I wonder if Nintendo chose NOT to bring this game to the switch as it would potentially take some of the star power away from fire emblem. Like obviously 2 successful games are better than one but Nintendo is so weird with things of that nature. Although I don’t think it will happen, the fact there isn’t an offline version just feels like such a waste of the IP. If THIS really is the end, I’d be disappointed too 🥴
As someone who invested in Dragalia Lost i can say while it was beginning to fall off at the end; the co-op with events was what made it incredibly fun as everyone learned the boss patterns. The collabs and character stories were just the cherry on top.
Old Mobile games are still better than every new "pay to win" crap. I don't understand why we cant have quality games on a mobile, when there is for example Mobile version of Star Wars: KOTOR which was released over 10 years ago... Why we can't have for example Shovel Knight ( Pocket Dungeon is a joke) on a Mobile?
Dragalia Lost is the most baffling mobile game Nintendo's been involved with so far. Even though their name was on it, reportedly, their contributions to it were mainly development and localization related. Otherwise, Nintendo was so hands-off with it that they did the bare minimum with advertising and worldwide releases (which was limited to specific countries), thus leaving Cygames to do the heavy lifting up until the devs saw the writing on the wall and had to wrap it up & shut down earlier than planned. A bit of a shame overall. I hope the franchise ever sees the light of day again someday, because *damn* that game had a ton of charm.
I should have mentioned that, I actually didn’t know that about Nintendo but the lack of advertising was VERY obvious throughout my research. It sort of suffered a similar fate to Pokemon Duel, where it had this loyal fan base that loved the game but they just weren’t big enough to support it… Again because Nintendo wouldn’t assist in growing it. So strange
Amazing video man! I hope Nintendo doesn’t back out of mobile all together because Mario kart tour for example is such an awesome game filled with so much content and it’s designed perfectly for on the go play, I’m a huge mobile gamer and you brought back many memories. How do you not have more subs? Such a high quality video, was like a documentary Here’s another sub for ya. Also Pokémon rush deserved it’s fate ❤
"I miss how I felt when this game came out" is such a real feeling 🥲 I'm glad TH-cam recommended your videos to me! You're research, delivery, and editing is truly impressive! Oh, and Pokemon Rumble deserved it's fate. 👍
@@MaedonColdy My apologises. This was a great video and that perspective was kind of lost on me when I wrote the comment, so I’m sorry about that. Thanks for pointing it out and I think your channel has a right future ahead pf it if you keep up this quality
Very well put-together video and fantastic editing! It really is a shame to see some of these games not see the success they deserved, aka NOT Pokemon Rumble.
I was so sad when Pokémon duel shut down, as a kid I made an actual board game based on duel with my figures and actual Pokémon stats that i still play with my friends and family to this day
I actually think that’s the best way to preserve the game anyways, I saw a few posts on Reddit of others that had done the same. Sucks that there isn’t an offline version but that’s definitely the next best option.
Honestly it makes me sad how the decision to not make offline versions of really underrated mobile games hurts those that invested in it. Dragalia Lost/Final Fantasy Record Keeper Global/Mobius Final Fantasy are examples of those that would be fun to dabble in randomly with some good story/combat mechanics that sucks that it won’t be able to be revisited again. (Not counting the version of record keeper in Japan since not only you gotta start fresh but also have to deal with no translations)
The entire mobile ecosystem is so fragile, there’s going to be an insane amount of familiar lost media in the next decade because it’s popping up and disappearing before people even have the chance to archive it. It’s like the ecosystem has become this weird throwaway culture
I can't express how much it hurts me to remember Draglia Lost. The only mobile gacha game that actually captivated me with its characters and world, only to then it shut years later. I'm just glad they were able to finish the story before EoS and even leave with proper credits and a "Thanks for playing!" screen. Also, Pokémon rumble deserved its fate. (Which is funny cause I remember playing the WiiWare game AGES ago, alongside My Pokémon Farm.)
I don’t play Pokémon Quest much anymore, but it’s a really cute game! And I’m happy it’s hasn’t been shut down (of course that’s because there’s no online services)
The real saddest part of this video is that Nintendo is suppose to always be number 1 while Sega was Number 2, But in mobile, the history went reverses as nintendo will be unfortunate number 2 while Sega was number 1.
Pokémon rumble deserved its end. Also I actually played some of the Nintendo mobile games like Duel and Ruble Rush, honestly I liked Duel better I found it fun and the masks your character wore looked cute and like you were attending a masquerade ball which was honestly cool, I miss Duel.
After watching through this video, I decided to do some digging on Pokemon Shuffle. It seems they programmed that game to repeat holiday events and special stages until the year 2037 despite the 3DS version being unavailable and mobile no longer getting updates. That is certainly a more fair solution than losing all your progress but of course an offline version would be more ideal. I will give it credit for that despite how much I DESPISE it when compared to Yo-Kai Watch Puni Puni which falls under the ssme genre. Seriously, Yo-Kai Watch Puni Puni with its fast paced gameplay and its massive amounts of content always made Shuffle look bad and continues to make even the pastel soullessness of Cafe Mix also look hollow. Yo-Kai Watch is canonically tied to the massively successful Neon Genesis Evangelion and Attack On Titan among other things through Puni Puni.
I absolutely loved Duel during the short time that I played it, but I eventually forgot about it because, yeah, it got completely overshadowed by Go, and the rest of the series, and I never even knew it got shut down
Even though I’m not a fan I also hope it’s revived by a different developer. I feel like it has potential with a little more experimentation and innovation from a new studio.
Dr. Mario World was really good! Pretty much all the Dr. Mario games feel the same and get boring, but World changed up the formula to something better. It was still one of those games that you finish for free though, the transactions felt like it was more for bragging rights in multiplayer, which by the way had a complex meta. I enjoyed Dr Mario World a lot and never paid a penny, despite some frustrating levels.
I wish I would’ve dabbled a little more to have some more perspective here. Of all the games discussed I think I was the least qualified to speak on Dr Mario, or draglia lol. The renders are gorgeous
@@MaedonColdy I played Dr Mario World during its entire 2 year run F2P. I haven’t been able to find any retrospective or “what happened” videos on Dragnolia Lost. I want to see more in-depth video on that. The annoying part is the word retrospective was used in one of the game’s events. 😒
Pokemon Duel is still my favorite game to this day, bar the nostalgia-infused Pokemon Diamond. The sheer depth in strategy, of min-maxing roulette outcomes to be favorable towards you, was incredible. Each Pokemon had a unique flavor to it, making it refreshing, challenging, and rewarding to use your "favorite" Pokemon instead of the "meta" Pokemons. I was more than happy to buy its microtransactions; it was that good. The end of the game was abrupt: we'd gotten a $15~20 subscription plan on February 2019, where you get to exchange 20 of any figurine of your choosing every month. $20 per month is a lot, but what we received back would satisfy even the most hardcore figurine-leveling players. 5 months later we received notice of the service ending soon, and nobody expected it. It had seemed like things were on the up. We even referenced sales numbers from game news articles and half-joked about how successful the game was. P.S. How many other games can brag about having an actual, official LORD BIDOOF in the roster?
I have to wonder if the Pokémon company wanted to pull this game with the release of masters, a lot of the other games have pretty clear and definitive reasons for their shut down but I agree here… even after all the research this took I don’t have an answer for its shut down
Besides Mario Run and Dr. Mario World, I wasn't really into most of the Nintendo mobile games. But, I feel like Nintendo could be successful in that market, it's just that most of the games don't have a hook to keep playing or have elements that isn't mobile friendly in mind.
I played each game for a bit, and the one that stings the most to have lost is easily Dragalia Lost. Coming from a guy who got every Pokemon in Rumble 3DS, I can safely say Pokémon Rumble for mobile deserves its fate.
If you watched the whole thing there was a 20 second interview from a panel of all of the SpongeBob cast, I got copystriked for using that lmao. I still have the complete project file so I’m probably just gonna wait on it for a while and release another version in the future
I’m fine with less mobile Nintendo games, they can be fun but to survive they need microtransactions and sometimes gatcha witch i don’t like If they have a great idea for a game, why not just put it on switch? Also love the video, keep going! 👍
I couldn’t agree more, I think the switch is the best option for both a home console experience and something to play on the go. Bringing in phones as that sort of extra device kind of defeats the purpose of the switch altogether
Phones theoretically should be better because everyone has one and you take it everywhere but these games require an internet connection and a good one at that so the only place to play those games is at your house witch at that point, why not just play your switch? These games don’t fail as games cause they are good (for the most part), they fail as mobile games
Anything would’ve been better than the initial approach, don’t quote me on this cause I don’t have the actual stats up rn but I’m pretty sure it was the game that generated the least revenue for them
@@MaedonColdy Yeah. Because a large portion of the player base are young children. And more often than not, they can't buy anything. This is why other games use ADS!
Nintendo was pushed into mobile development by out of touch investors who don't understand gaming or Nintendo at all, and it really showed. The app releases all felt half assed to me, like Nintendo didn't really care about them and just wanted people to stop bothering them about apps. These apps were all kind of doomed from the start and it's a shame. Miitomo especially, I would have loved for a more Tomodachi Life esque experience but I'm not sure how viable that would be given how heavily that game leaned into the 3DS's gimmicky features. And since I watched the whole video, Pokemon Rumble deserves its fate I guess.
My new deep in my soul Nintendo and mobile games wouldn't be a good fit, I thought it would originally but I was wrong. From my point of view and I think the real reason why they did this is so that way they can get some money after the Wii U and 3DS era were causing them a lot of money loss, Not only was this the only way for them to get money, but also they sold classic editions and decided to expand their IP with universal studios. Thanks to us giving them the money they were able to give us the Nintendo switch and finally the chance to finish up breath of the wild. That's all my theory and prediction!
Dr Mario was so heartbreaking, paying premium currency for an extra turn which wouldn’t be enough to clear the level? If the game can tell I can’t win this with a few extra moves, why prompt me to buy extra turns? Just exit me out of the level…
I think Pokémon still has a lot of potential with mobile, if they can find a game to get it right. Aside from Pokemon Go I still feel like there’s room for a refreshing sidekick app, I just don’t know if it’s Masters… at least for me it isn’t 🥴
Pokémon Rumble did deserve its fate. The series should have never used micro transactions in there games, and it’s upsetting to see how low this series went because my brother is a huge fan of the Pokémon Rumble series. So it’s just disheartening where the series went after the second Rumble game.
In defence of rumble, traditionally Pokémon spin offs have been really good. As of late not so much BUT at one point it did have some tough competition
Not gonna lie i got into Granblue Fantasy cuz of my Dragalia lost cope and well theres some similarities but different and i love it for others reasons
Dragalia did not release in EU for some reason, but did still perform decently with earnings. I wanted to try the game but never got the chance Fire Emblem Heroes was and is still very strong with earnings, especially when looking at the amount of players. But the game is way to complex for new players to get into with walls of text for every new hero and lots of mechanics/modes. The powercreep has also reached the point i don't care anymore and play casual and not really daily. When not playing i keep following the game for the artworks of new Heroes, love the art in the game Pokemon Go is still huge, but Niantic seems to hate their players sometimes, and the last years the game had multiple times with very stale weeks/months even. It is also stale at the moment, but the global gofest is near. I mostly play for catch of the day so for a few minutes on average. And with some events longer
I enjoyed Dragalia Lost I thought it was fun and the story was interesting and had some neat ideas. However when I later played FFXIV and I got to its first expansion Heavensward I realized where Cygames got their entire playbook for DL. A story about the relationship between mankind and dragons one of the main ones is named Midgardsormr yeah it’s not exactly one to one but I couldn’t help but compare. Ultimately I just could not stand the grind and fell off although the music was awesome.
It would have been nice to see an Ace Attorney game that was made for mobile phones from the start. Do you want to object? Pay $1.99! Take that package? $9.99! 👨🏼⚖️
The fact that Nintendo keeps Mario Run, Fire Emblem Heroes, and Mario Kart Tour online shows they're not done in the space; they are just not ready to ditch the mainline games, which makes sense. And, nearly all Pokémon games deserved the fate. They just had no chance compared to what Nintendo put out themselves.
I think they’re done in the sense of releasing strictly mobile only games. I think we’ll see the switch and phones share a few more games before they eventually make their exit in the years to come
Sure, Dr. Mario World had a lot a micro-transactions, but there really was no point for anybody to pay. The only reason you had to pay was to get diamonds to get new characters and refill your hearts, and even that wasn't necessary since you could also use coins for characters and the game just showers you with those for just beating the levels and opponents in Vs mode and also every time you logged in you got plenty of hearts, I had so much that I never evar ran out and I still lost a lot. It and Dragalia Lost were and are still to me the mobile games Nintendo published. Oh, and also Pokémon Rumble really deserved it's fate.
To be honest I think Nintendo could use mobile as a platform to revive dying IPs that can actually work there. Nintendogs would be perfect on mobile, even using some geolocalization mechanics borrowed from Pokémon Go and Pikmin Bloom. F-Zero could finally see a new release as free-to-play endless runner with PvP modes, mixing Sonic Dash and F-Zero 99 because... let's be honest, we aren't going to see a new mainline F-Zero since it's a historically important but somehow outdated IP, indeed we only see indie rip-offs, no major releases. And now I'd like to spend some words on Miitomo: in my opinion that was the only way Miis could properly survive. There's no space anymore for the Mii-mania, no Wii Play anymore, no Wii Fit, no Wii Party, Wii Music and so on. Even Nintendo Switch Sports didn't really include Miis. It's hard to expect a new Tomodachi Life or Miitopia. But Miitomo made a lot of sense and it would be very interesting if they release it again in 2024. They'd need to add more features. I'll take inspiration from Snapchat and you'll understand why. Apart from your customazible Mii (with a Miitopia-like Mii Maker) in your customazible house (add events in the shop, new items, seasons, collaborations and so on) it would be nice to see Mii Games: games to play with your Miitomo friends (just like Snap Games) based on popular Wii Sports / Wii Play / Wii Party / Nintendo Land games. Among them: Mii Party, a mini party game similar to Bitmoji Party with a rotation of minigames and so on. Then it would be fun to add a feature like StreetPass (not sharing personal data of course) and other mechanics from StreetPass Mii Plaza (some games, for example). Expand the social part including a built-in private social conceptually similar to Miiverse but not "global": only friends posts, drawings, Miifotos, Miivideos and Miistories (we'll arrive here); just imagine if WhatsApp had posts and moments. Finally, directly from Tomodachi Life, scenes and "stories", for example your Mii going on vacation with your friends Miis. So again, similar to Bitmoji Stories. And Miivideos including songs as in Tomodachi Life or AR videos with your Mii doing stuff or even videos similar to My Talking Tom of your Mii saying something. Imagine a game like this during the pandemic, maybe even adding voice chats (of course only with friends)
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I know you didn't dive too deep into Fire Emblem Heroes but that was probably the most successful Nintendo mobile game because of how much it pleases the whales in the crowd. Also pokemon rumble probably did deserve its fate
I think it is their best performing (mainline) mobile game out of all them. I really wanted to dive into the more successful ones but I also wasn’t sure where to draw the line on the script. I was stuck between doing an entire retrospective or just focusing on the flops
Intelligent Systems is a different studio just like how the Pokemon Company for Pokemon
@@MaedonColdyperhaps you can dive into the successes and the games not yet dead some other time
Of course it pleases the whales because it's a waifu gacha game except it's has an established fan base.
Furthermore Nintendo hires hentai artists to draw the female characters with overexaggerated body portions and as sexualized as they can get away wth. It's kinda sad but aleast the mainline game aren't effected by this.
@@sonicthehedge surprised to see Twitter haven’t made a fuzz over unrealistic designs like what did to Azur Lane?
Incredible editing skills! And interesting topic.
You know what's the worst part of Pokémon Duel?
It had a pretty decent story mode.
That immediately got put into limbo when the game went worldwide.
For three years.
On a *cliffhanger* of a plot.
Release duel as a stand alone switch game
I'm expecting Mario Kart Tour to announce EoS by late July / early August (stopping in-app purchases too), then shutdown around November (basically 3 months later), just like with Dragalia Lost and Dr Mario World. *EDIT:* Plus there was a datamine supporting this. An in-game announcement sometime in July is planned.
It will 100% get an offline version though… right? 🥴
tbh....i can believe it since every tour track (minus Piranha Plant Pipeline) has been ported to Mario Kart 8 Deluxe as likely a way to preserve these tracks for future entries, which would mean the city tracks and the tour Nitro's (which might end up being counted as Mario Kart 8 retro courses) will be here to stay much to the disappointment or frustration of some players
@@MaedonColdyMaybe for the next Mario Kart.
I mean I do have progress on that game.
My favorite part about Dr.Mario is that it was accurate to what Mario would be as a real Dr. if he was still living in America! 10/10
LMAO 💀
"Pokemon Rumble deserved it's fate"
Amazing video, with amazing editing! Hope to see you return to the platform one day :]
I actually kinda like Dr. Mario World. I wasn’t a huge fan, but it was fun to go through a handful of levels every once in a while. Plus, like you said, official Doctor renders for characters like Waluigi and Bowser were great.
Also Pokémon Rumble deserved it’s fate.
Appreciate you for making it to the end 🫡. All of the dr Mario world artwork makes the micro-transactions worth it
Amazing video as always! the last part really made me reconsider why I keep replaying pokemon white at leasst once a year, it takes me back to the good days
I'm in love with your videos and I can't wait for more content ! Everything is just on point !!
I felt so bad for some of these titles, a lot of these were pretty fun to me! Especially Dragalia lost for example, I liked that game when I played it!
Dragalia lost 100% deserves an offline switch release. Too good to be just thrown away imo
It was sad to see so many of their games close its doors back then, but realistically speaking, I was never completely invested into the Nintendo mobile games for a long time. Dr. Mario World and Mario Kart Tour were fun for a while, but it never made me come back to them after a while.
Pokemon Duel was awesome, as someone who didn't get to experience the pokemon figure game, Pokemon Duel was a very fun way to scratch that itch. I downloaded it after remembering it only to find out it died practically silently. I was devastated about that. And yes, Pokemon Rumble deserved its fate
Your editing skills are so good! It's so impressive, really good video too
Thank you! I’m glad you thought so :)
Hot take: Dr. Mario World is criminally underrated and shouldn't have gotten shut down
Without the michaeltransactions maybe
I hate michaeltransactions.@@MaedonColdy
I agree, I loved that game, and was really sad when it got shut down 😢
Dr Mario World finally brought back Baby Wario, only to have him disappear again 😡.
He’s the only baby character I like
Very interesting video! Just wondering, do you have an editor or do you edit yourself?
Coming back to this channel 4 Months later, I’m impressed & Satisfied with the editing skills you have!
From the smooth transitions, To how calm your voice is, You crafted a really great documentary and I’m proud of it!
But about the topic of the video: I think the reason why Nintendo didn’t had too much success in the mobile game market is because Video game/PC companies like Sega, Nintendo, EA & Steam had more great success for there hardware & console games, The mobile games however in my opinion were overshadowed by The scummy Micro-Transactions like Mario Kart Tours Loot box system.
The ones that would last & have the spotlight longer in the App Store are the Indie game startups Like Popcap (Plants Vs Zombies), Rovio (Angry Birds) & Zeptolab (Cut the rope).
However, mobile game franchises lose there popularity at a certain point for different reasons Like Micro-Transactions, Lack of creativity or Targeting towards a audience of Young kids.
I adored the OG Pokemon Rumble as a kid on the Wii, but seeing where it's gone, it absolutely deserved its fate LOL
My god this Video was so high quality. Keep up the good work!
I didn't even know half of the games that you were talking about even existed. I feel like if I knew Miitomo was a thing back when it came out, I probably would have used it pretty actively because I think the concept is really cool.
Pokémon Rumble definitely deserved it’s fate though
Your editing skills are seriously top notch dude, how long does it take you to do this?
Thank you! About 6 weeks in total between the scripting editing & sound 🥴
Ehhh, they're more obnoxiously overdone more than anything. It's the kind kf annoying editing that's meant to keep people engaged since that whole thing about TH-cam having made people's attention spans shorter than ever.😑
@@MaedonColdyWow! Just outstanding!
How did you just randomly drop in 9 months ago and start making videos this high quality
This editing is really good I hope you make more
To me, it's unforgiving how Nintendo and Cygames forgot about Dragalia Lost. It was the first new IP made in a mobile space. They should've put it on the Switch, but left it to die, for hardly any reason.
Fantastic Video. The thing about a community dying along with the game is something I'm beginning to experience and it really hurts in the moment.
Mario Kart Tour had a really rocky beginning, it was awfully monetised and greedy. But as time went on, it became very clear that this was a game Nintendo cared about. The constant updates, the amount of content, the artwork. It took some time but this game managed to get back on it's feet, heck, they even outright removed gacha as the primary acquisition method after the 3rd anniversary.
It was hard being a fan of this game. It still is.
As you said, first impressions matter a lot and Tour's horrible first impression stuck with the game and did not leave. Even when many of the problems were addressed, people still treat the game as if it had them. There's such a horrible stigma against the game and part of that extends to the community as well. It's hard for one to just like the game since it's basically just "that money-hungry gacha" in most's eyes. Heck, I've been seeing so many Mario Kart full series "Retrospectives" but every single one of them ignore Tour as if it was just a footnote and didn't do anything.
The Booster Course Pass didn't even really help too much since it just made people see Tour as a catalyst for MK8 content and when they started releasing Tour's non-city nitros early in 8 and not crediting them as such in game, it just killed a lot of potential positive press for the game. A course as beloved as Yoshi's Island didn't even make it's initial debut in the game it was made for.
When the end to it's content was announced, it was bittersweet. This game I've played for 4 years, ever since launch- This game I've stuck with through thick and thin, adding it's final bit of new content on it's 4th anniversary.
For all it did wrong, Tour still deserves to be remembered and acknowledged as much as any other game. The BCP wouldn't have even existed if it didn't exist.
Fantastic video, and Pokémon Rumble deserved it's fate.
Dragalia Lost's shutdown gets me the most. I absolutely loved that game with all of my heart. That game, aside from being a bit TOO generous for it's own good, did absolutely everything right. The gameplay was FAAAAAAR above most other mobile games, the phenomenal art style by Naoki Saitou, the killer soundtrack that also features music from Japanese singer/rapper Daoko, the story and characters were honestly far better than they had any right to be, and it even had some awesome collabs with game series like Mega Man and Monster Hunter. Quite frankly it had SO much going for it and there was potential for it to have been as successful if not MORESO than even games like Fire Emblem Heroes.
Asides from the monetization being so optional it almost hurts, the game was really killed by the lack of any substantial advertising of any kind. I can count on my hand how many times I ACTUALLY saw ads on TH-cam for this game. I feel like if the game actually had more advertising, had more microtransactions that ACTUALLY incentivized players to spend without ruining the excellent pacing of the game, as well actually actually get a release on the Switch which would have actually drawn in more players, I think it might have lasted far longer than it ended up doing so.
DL was my favorite mobile game of all time for the four years it was still online, and I would pay my life savings if Nintendo and Cygames ever decided to release an Offline version of the game someday. It truly deserved WAAAAAY better than what it ended up getting and I seriously hope we get something, ANYTHING from this IP someday.
I actually think you may have just found the answer to the question I couldn’t really solve. I wonder if Nintendo chose NOT to bring this game to the switch as it would potentially take some of the star power away from fire emblem. Like obviously 2 successful games are better than one but Nintendo is so weird with things of that nature. Although I don’t think it will happen, the fact there isn’t an offline version just feels like such a waste of the IP. If THIS really is the end, I’d be disappointed too 🥴
As someone who invested in Dragalia Lost i can say while it was beginning to fall off at the end; the co-op with events was what made it incredibly fun as everyone learned the boss patterns.
The collabs and character stories were just the cherry on top.
Personally, I LOVE Fire Emblem Heroes! Alfonse is even my favourite male character in the series
Dr.Mario VS mode was so fun. I wish it was still possible to play it, it was so fun to grind it
Big Inspiration
Love seeing another Maedon video pop up in my subscription feed! Keep up the great work man your videos are always amazing!
Thank you bro I’m glad you enjoy them 😀
I still have Dr. Mario World installed on my phone
Old Mobile games are still better than every new "pay to win" crap. I don't understand why we cant have quality games on a mobile, when there is for example Mobile version of Star Wars: KOTOR which was released over 10 years ago... Why we can't have for example Shovel Knight ( Pocket Dungeon is a joke) on a Mobile?
Pokemon Rumble deserved its fate.
Thats a really well made video
Dragalia Lost is the most baffling mobile game Nintendo's been involved with so far.
Even though their name was on it, reportedly, their contributions to it were mainly development and localization related. Otherwise, Nintendo was so hands-off with it that they did the bare minimum with advertising and worldwide releases (which was limited to specific countries), thus leaving Cygames to do the heavy lifting up until the devs saw the writing on the wall and had to wrap it up & shut down earlier than planned.
A bit of a shame overall. I hope the franchise ever sees the light of day again someday, because *damn* that game had a ton of charm.
I should have mentioned that, I actually didn’t know that about Nintendo but the lack of advertising was VERY obvious throughout my research. It sort of suffered a similar fate to Pokemon Duel, where it had this loyal fan base that loved the game but they just weren’t big enough to support it… Again because Nintendo wouldn’t assist in growing it. So strange
I love how you touched up on the mobile games, it was very refreshing.
"Pokèmon Rumble deserved its fate"
Couldn’t agree more, and thank you for making it to the end I appreciate it. This was a long one
I miss Doctor Mario world! It was one of my favorite mobile games!
Amazing video man! I hope Nintendo doesn’t back out of mobile all together because Mario kart tour for example is such an awesome game filled with so much content and it’s designed perfectly for on the go play, I’m a huge mobile gamer and you brought back many memories. How do you not have more subs? Such a high quality video, was like a documentary Here’s another sub for ya.
Also Pokémon rush deserved it’s fate ❤
Bro I LOVED Pokémon Duel.
I still can't believe they decided to remove it but Pokémon Smile still lives on
Amazing work I had completely forgotten about some of these games
"I miss how I felt when this game came out" is such a real feeling 🥲
I'm glad TH-cam recommended your videos to me! You're research, delivery, and editing is truly impressive! Oh, and Pokemon Rumble deserved it's fate. 👍
Damn this editing is clean af man popped out of nowhere
Fire Emblem Heroes made over a billion dollars. Why didn't you bring that up?
This video was only focusing on the games that failed (or Nintendo discontinued), not the successful ones
@@MaedonColdy My apologises. This was a great video and that perspective was kind of lost on me when I wrote the comment, so I’m sorry about that. Thanks for pointing it out and I think your channel has a right future ahead pf it if you keep up this quality
Very well put-together video and fantastic editing! It really is a shame to see some of these games not see the success they deserved, aka NOT Pokemon Rumble.
Couldn’t have said it better myself lmfao. And thank you I’m glad you think so, this one took ALOT of time
I was so sad when Pokémon duel shut down, as a kid I made an actual board game based on duel with my figures and actual Pokémon stats that i still play with my friends and family to this day
I actually think that’s the best way to preserve the game anyways, I saw a few posts on Reddit of others that had done the same. Sucks that there isn’t an offline version but that’s definitely the next best option.
This channel needs to gain more recognition asap
Thank you friend, slowly but surely 🤞
Pokémon Duel deserved so much better than it got.
Honestly it makes me sad how the decision to not make offline versions of really underrated mobile games hurts those that invested in it. Dragalia Lost/Final Fantasy Record Keeper Global/Mobius Final Fantasy are examples of those that would be fun to dabble in randomly with some good story/combat mechanics that sucks that it won’t be able to be revisited again. (Not counting the version of record keeper in Japan since not only you gotta start fresh but also have to deal with no translations)
The entire mobile ecosystem is so fragile, there’s going to be an insane amount of familiar lost media in the next decade because it’s popping up and disappearing before people even have the chance to archive it. It’s like the ecosystem has become this weird throwaway culture
I can't express how much it hurts me to remember Draglia Lost. The only mobile gacha game that actually captivated me with its characters and world, only to then it shut years later.
I'm just glad they were able to finish the story before EoS and even leave with proper credits and a "Thanks for playing!" screen.
Also, Pokémon rumble deserved its fate. (Which is funny cause I remember playing the WiiWare game AGES ago, alongside My Pokémon Farm.)
I don’t play Pokémon Quest much anymore, but it’s a really cute game! And I’m happy it’s hasn’t been shut down (of course that’s because there’s no online services)
The real saddest part of this video is that Nintendo is suppose to always be number 1 while Sega was Number 2,
But in mobile, the history went reverses as nintendo will be unfortunate number 2 while Sega was number 1.
Pokémon rumble deserved its end. Also I actually played some of the Nintendo mobile games like Duel and Ruble Rush, honestly I liked Duel better I found it fun and the masks your character wore looked cute and like you were attending a masquerade ball which was honestly cool, I miss Duel.
After watching through this video, I decided to do some digging on Pokemon Shuffle.
It seems they programmed that game to repeat holiday events and special stages until the year 2037 despite the 3DS version being unavailable and mobile no longer getting updates.
That is certainly a more fair solution than losing all your progress but of course an offline version would be more ideal.
I will give it credit for that despite how much I DESPISE it when compared to Yo-Kai Watch Puni Puni which falls under the ssme genre.
Seriously, Yo-Kai Watch Puni Puni with its fast paced gameplay and its massive amounts of content always made Shuffle look bad and continues to make even the pastel soullessness of Cafe Mix also look hollow.
Yo-Kai Watch is canonically tied to the massively successful Neon Genesis Evangelion and Attack On Titan among other things through Puni Puni.
I absolutely loved Duel during the short time that I played it, but I eventually forgot about it because, yeah, it got completely overshadowed by Go, and the rest of the series, and I never even knew it got shut down
Nintendo's Mobile run was filled with such strange choices leaving a wild mobile legacy behind... even if 75% of that legacy has been shut down...
Pokémon Rumble did not deserve its fate. Actually I wouldn’t know because I only played the 3DS version, but I hope it isn’t discontinued altogether.
Even though I’m not a fan I also hope it’s revived by a different developer. I feel like it has potential with a little more experimentation and innovation from a new studio.
Doctor Baby Wario was the best part of Dr. Mario World. LOL
LETS GO ANOTHER VID!
Dr. Mario World was really good! Pretty much all the Dr. Mario games feel the same and get boring, but World changed up the formula to something better. It was still one of those games that you finish for free though, the transactions felt like it was more for bragging rights in multiplayer, which by the way had a complex meta. I enjoyed Dr Mario World a lot and never paid a penny, despite some frustrating levels.
I wish I would’ve dabbled a little more to have some more perspective here. Of all the games discussed I think I was the least qualified to speak on Dr Mario, or draglia lol. The renders are gorgeous
@@MaedonColdy I played Dr Mario World during its entire 2 year run F2P. I haven’t been able to find any retrospective or “what happened” videos on Dragnolia Lost.
I want to see more in-depth video on that. The annoying part is the word retrospective was used in one of the game’s events. 😒
I loved Pokémon duel and was so sad to see it go
Pokemon Duel is still my favorite game to this day, bar the nostalgia-infused Pokemon Diamond. The sheer depth in strategy, of min-maxing roulette outcomes to be favorable towards you, was incredible. Each Pokemon had a unique flavor to it, making it refreshing, challenging, and rewarding to use your "favorite" Pokemon instead of the "meta" Pokemons. I was more than happy to buy its microtransactions; it was that good.
The end of the game was abrupt: we'd gotten a $15~20 subscription plan on February 2019, where you get to exchange 20 of any figurine of your choosing every month. $20 per month is a lot, but what we received back would satisfy even the most hardcore figurine-leveling players. 5 months later we received notice of the service ending soon, and nobody expected it. It had seemed like things were on the up. We even referenced sales numbers from game news articles and half-joked about how successful the game was.
P.S. How many other games can brag about having an actual, official LORD BIDOOF in the roster?
I have to wonder if the Pokémon company wanted to pull this game with the release of masters, a lot of the other games have pretty clear and definitive reasons for their shut down but I agree here… even after all the research this took I don’t have an answer for its shut down
I miss these games! That will be cool if Nintendo decided to bring them back because they are good 😞
this channels gonna blow up and im calling it, in 2024 thi man is gonna have a crap ton of subscribers
I appreciate that, let’s hope 🤞
Besides Mario Run and Dr. Mario World, I wasn't really into most of the Nintendo mobile games. But, I feel like Nintendo could be successful in that market, it's just that most of the games don't have a hook to keep playing or have elements that isn't mobile friendly in mind.
I played each game for a bit, and the one that stings the most to have lost is easily Dragalia Lost. Coming from a guy who got every Pokemon in Rumble 3DS, I can safely say Pokémon Rumble for mobile deserves its fate.
The quality of the videos you make are always top tier (quick question though, why'd you remove your sponge bob iceberg video?)
If you watched the whole thing there was a 20 second interview from a panel of all of the SpongeBob cast, I got copystriked for using that lmao. I still have the complete project file so I’m probably just gonna wait on it for a while and release another version in the future
@@MaedonColdy Oh damn, unlucky. Yeah that video was great too,
I’m fine with less mobile Nintendo games, they can be fun but to survive they need microtransactions and sometimes gatcha witch i don’t like
If they have a great idea for a game, why not just put it on switch?
Also love the video, keep going! 👍
I couldn’t agree more, I think the switch is the best option for both a home console experience and something to play on the go. Bringing in phones as that sort of extra device kind of defeats the purpose of the switch altogether
Phones theoretically should be better because everyone has one and you take it everywhere but these games require an internet connection and a good one at that so the only place to play those games is at your house witch at that point, why not just play your switch?
These games don’t fail as games cause they are good (for the most part), they fail as mobile games
Dragalia lost combat feels like Pokemon rumble
He was born he died he risen and he is comebacking
Dr. Mario World would've lasted longer if Nintendo took in some ad revenue. If players can't buy anything, then they'll watch ads between levels.
Anything would’ve been better than the initial approach, don’t quote me on this cause I don’t have the actual stats up rn but I’m pretty sure it was the game that generated the least revenue for them
@@MaedonColdy Yeah. Because a large portion of the player base are young children. And more often than not, they can't buy anything. This is why other games use ADS!
Loved this video. Is there any possibility of a sequel talking about the more successful games?
Also Pokémon rumble deserved its fate
Nintendo was pushed into mobile development by out of touch investors who don't understand gaming or Nintendo at all, and it really showed. The app releases all felt half assed to me, like Nintendo didn't really care about them and just wanted people to stop bothering them about apps. These apps were all kind of doomed from the start and it's a shame. Miitomo especially, I would have loved for a more Tomodachi Life esque experience but I'm not sure how viable that would be given how heavily that game leaned into the 3DS's gimmicky features.
And since I watched the whole video, Pokemon Rumble deserves its fate I guess.
UHM ACKCHUALLY, it's "Pokémon Rumble deserved ITS fate." 🤓
I REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY REALLY miss Miitomo :(
I love dr Mario world was One of my favorite games even tought it litrary caused me a physical scar.
My new deep in my soul Nintendo and mobile games wouldn't be a good fit, I thought it would originally but I was wrong.
From my point of view and I think the real reason why they did this is so that way they can get some money after the Wii U and 3DS era were causing them a lot of money loss, Not only was this the only way for them to get money, but also they sold classic editions and decided to expand their IP with universal studios.
Thanks to us giving them the money they were able to give us the Nintendo switch and finally the chance to finish up breath of the wild.
That's all my theory and prediction!
Dr Mario was so heartbreaking, paying premium currency for an extra turn which wouldn’t be enough to clear the level? If the game can tell I can’t win this with a few extra moves, why prompt me to buy extra turns? Just exit me out of the level…
I watched the video fully through 🙂
Hell yes! New video
Pokemon Rumble Deserved Its Fate.
....The mysteries of the Mobile Market. Can't say I'm too bummed to see it decline outside of Pokemon of course.
I think Pokémon still has a lot of potential with mobile, if they can find a game to get it right. Aside from Pokemon Go I still feel like there’s room for a refreshing sidekick app, I just don’t know if it’s Masters… at least for me it isn’t 🥴
damn this thumbnail is fire
Thanks brother 👆
Pokémon Rumble did deserve its fate. The series should have never used micro transactions in there games, and it’s upsetting to see how low this series went because my brother is a huge fan of the Pokémon Rumble series. So it’s just disheartening where the series went after the second Rumble game.
21:56 - When you say stuff like that, you obviously DO mean a lot of disrespect ro the many of us that actually do like this sub series.😑
In defence of rumble, traditionally Pokémon spin offs have been really good. As of late not so much BUT at one point it did have some tough competition
Not gonna lie i got into Granblue Fantasy cuz of my Dragalia lost cope and well theres some similarities but different and i love it for others reasons
Dragalia did not release in EU for some reason, but did still perform decently with earnings. I wanted to try the game but never got the chance
Fire Emblem Heroes was and is still very strong with earnings, especially when looking at the amount of players. But the game is way to complex for new players to get into with walls of text for every new hero and lots of mechanics/modes. The powercreep has also reached the point i don't care anymore and play casual and not really daily. When not playing i keep following the game for the artworks of new Heroes, love the art in the game
Pokemon Go is still huge, but Niantic seems to hate their players sometimes, and the last years the game had multiple times with very stale weeks/months even. It is also stale at the moment, but the global gofest is near. I mostly play for catch of the day so for a few minutes on average. And with some events longer
I enjoyed Dragalia Lost I thought it was fun and the story was interesting and had some neat ideas. However when I later played FFXIV and I got to its first expansion Heavensward I realized where Cygames got their entire playbook for DL. A story about the relationship between mankind and dragons one of the main ones is named Midgardsormr yeah it’s not exactly one to one but I couldn’t help but compare. Ultimately I just could not stand the grind and fell off although the music was awesome.
It would have been nice to see an Ace Attorney game that was made for mobile phones from the start. Do you want to object? Pay $1.99! Take that package? $9.99! 👨🏼⚖️
Pokémon rumble deserved it’s fate.
The fact that Nintendo keeps Mario Run, Fire Emblem Heroes, and Mario Kart Tour online shows they're not done in the space; they are just not ready to ditch the mainline games, which makes sense.
And, nearly all Pokémon games deserved the fate. They just had no chance compared to what Nintendo put out themselves.
I think they’re done in the sense of releasing strictly mobile only games. I think we’ll see the switch and phones share a few more games before they eventually make their exit in the years to come
Sure, Dr. Mario World had a lot a micro-transactions, but there really was no point for anybody to pay. The only reason you had to pay was to get diamonds to get new characters and refill your hearts, and even that wasn't necessary since you could also use coins for characters and the game just showers you with those for just beating the levels and opponents in Vs mode and also every time you logged in you got plenty of hearts, I had so much that I never evar ran out and I still lost a lot. It and Dragalia Lost were and are still to me the mobile games Nintendo published.
Oh, and also Pokémon Rumble really deserved it's fate.
Pokémon Rumble deserved it’s fate.
Couldn’t have said it better myself, no but for real thank you for making it that far. Really cool that someone listened to me ramble for that long
"What went wrong?!" More like what went right?!?!?
To be honest I think Nintendo could use mobile as a platform to revive dying IPs that can actually work there.
Nintendogs would be perfect on mobile, even using some geolocalization mechanics borrowed from Pokémon Go and Pikmin Bloom.
F-Zero could finally see a new release as free-to-play endless runner with PvP modes, mixing Sonic Dash and F-Zero 99 because... let's be honest, we aren't going to see a new mainline F-Zero since it's a historically important but somehow outdated IP, indeed we only see indie rip-offs, no major releases.
And now I'd like to spend some words on Miitomo: in my opinion that was the only way Miis could properly survive. There's no space anymore for the Mii-mania, no Wii Play anymore, no Wii Fit, no Wii Party, Wii Music and so on. Even Nintendo Switch Sports didn't really include Miis. It's hard to expect a new Tomodachi Life or Miitopia.
But Miitomo made a lot of sense and it would be very interesting if they release it again in 2024.
They'd need to add more features.
I'll take inspiration from Snapchat and you'll understand why.
Apart from your customazible Mii (with a Miitopia-like Mii Maker) in your customazible house (add events in the shop, new items, seasons, collaborations and so on) it would be nice to see Mii Games: games to play with your Miitomo friends (just like Snap Games) based on popular Wii Sports / Wii Play / Wii Party / Nintendo Land games. Among them: Mii Party, a mini party game similar to Bitmoji Party with a rotation of minigames and so on.
Then it would be fun to add a feature like StreetPass (not sharing personal data of course) and other mechanics from StreetPass Mii Plaza (some games, for example).
Expand the social part including a built-in private social conceptually similar to Miiverse but not "global": only friends posts, drawings, Miifotos, Miivideos and Miistories (we'll arrive here); just imagine if WhatsApp had posts and moments.
Finally, directly from Tomodachi Life, scenes and "stories", for example your Mii going on vacation with your friends Miis. So again, similar to Bitmoji Stories. And Miivideos including songs as in Tomodachi Life or AR videos with your Mii doing stuff or even videos similar to My Talking Tom of your Mii saying something.
Imagine a game like this during the pandemic, maybe even adding voice chats (of course only with friends)
Pokemon Rumble deserved its fate TBH.
Epic.
Thank you friend 🫡
Goomba Tower was the shit!
Pokemon rumble deserved its fate
Appreciate you friend & I couldn’t agree more 🫡
Alfonse Fire Emblem stays winning
They should just release normal games on phones instead of gachas 💔
I have nothing to add really but maybe Rumble didn't deserve its fate? Idk
I would not call them failures. Let me just say that some of the ip that Nintendo has many of them could be mobile games like WarioWare mobile game ?