Douglas Trumbull on the Future of Film
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- Douglas Trumbull is a VFX legend and pioneer who has been at the forefront of the field for decades. He was responsible for the special photographic effects of 2001: A Space Odyssey, Blade Runner, and Close Encounters of the Third Kind. He remains a leader and visionary in the field and is developing a new extremely immersive, high-fidelity cinematic experience called Magi. Doug discusses where he thinks the future of cinema is heading.
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A true visionary in a business overcrowded with hacks and charlatans. His reputation will undoubtedly continue to grow as the business catches up to his revolutionary ideas.
Oh Mr. Trumbull -- so hard to lose you! Thank you so much for the memories. Rest in peace!
Rest in glorious peace you absolute genius
I worked on that Back to the Future ride film for Universal Studio Tours, shot in an old mill in the Berkshires. I was commonly know as "The Mayor of Hill Valley" as I was foreman on that set. A great experience, and Doug Trumbull was a great guy to work for. He shared as much as he could about the production with everyone on the project, and solicited ideas from anyone that had them. One night a week, he would do lectures on films like this that he had pioneered techniques on, showing frame-by-frame scenes on laser disk and explaining how the shots were created and assembled - just fascinating, and unique in my experience working on movies!
R.I.P., Mr. Trumbull.
This guy is THE MAN!!!
This man....my hero.....still today....after he has depareted this realm......how I hoped to meet him in person......I was on my way to the states .....
He was behind the vfx of so many of my favourite films, not to mention directing Silent Running. He doesn't get enough credit or mention in the film industry for what he's done, in my opinion. I just wish he and all the movie visionaries would be around for ever!
There has been many that worked under him and others who idolize his work but he was truly one of a kind .
Back around 2013, J. Michael Straczynski [JMS] -- creator of the science fiction TV show *BABYLON 5* -- posted a comment online saying how most television network executives {and I suspect movie executives as well} just do not GET science fiction.
I think Mr. Straczynski was absolutely correct, and what Mr. Trumbull said in this video supports that.
RIP Legend. He's what really truly pushed me to be a creative filmmaker. Thank you for all your work and incredible imagination
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Invented modern special effects. The best.
Seeing UFOtog with Doug was entering another realm. The immersive tech compounded the amazing story with so many subtle details and lots of not so subtle ones. Hyper real. The Larsen book. The Vallee book. The FBI warning. The alien craft that appeared immediately and made right angled turns with no drift. The modern version of the mad scientist who was quite sane... the r&d and experiments he did for years all in service of the story.
2001, Close Encounters of the Third Kind, Blade Runner, The Tree of Life, even Star Trek The Motion Picture (though the story couldn't compete with all those effects shots). Just stop for a moment and consider the kind of mind-blowing visuals this man has made part of film history and the cultural lexicon. Whenever someone talks about a star gate or futuristic city or cosmic encounter - his stamp is on the images in their mind.
SILENT RUNNING
@@jonathanpoole5316 Are you Frank Poole's relative, son, grandson, starchild-hybrid?
@@jonathanswift2251 No but I think Kubrick might have deliberately mixed up who kills who. Who the computer killed, I mean.😜
This should have 100,000,000 views. Hollywood really needs to work on this. All the pieces are there. 3D technology. AR/VR, gaming engines, making film immersive will be a HUGE step forward!
RIP Doug Trumbull With Love...
His Showscan came along when theaters were downsizing and bring in the 12 small Theaters in malls that were cheap to make and more money to make . His vision was to bring in new projectors and a curved screen but owners rejected the idea to them since showscan was a risky deal so he pulled out of the movie business to make rides for amusement parks .RIP and condolence to his family.
Thank you for this Douglas.
'Working with Stanley Kubrick' how truly amazing was that!
I've been a fan and admirer of this creative genius for decades. Recently, after I'd preached to someone about Trumbull's daring and genius, that person asked me why, if Trumbull's such a respected visionary, why hasn't he made a difference in the industry.
I was stumped. My guess: Trumbull is a cinematic oddity. For all the decades spent tinkering and perfecting of his various systems, no-one outside of his studio is ever likely to enjoy it. His work continues to be in the development stage. At 6:14 in this video we see Trumbull sitting, alone, in a theater as his latest demo is screened for him. There's a lesson in that, I suppose.
Nikola Telsa has a fanatic fan-base. But, when all is said and done, he died with a trillion, billion, quadrillion, theoretical projects in the works - projects he must've enjoyed working on. He was his own best audience - and that seemed to work for him.
I worked for Doug from Back to the Future through Luxor, Imax, and work we did for HItachi developing the first interactive simulator ride. So I have some perspective to offer. Doug is a creative and engineering genius, and has always been ahead of his time in many ways. We were working on augmented reality in 1999, running up against the practical limitations of displays, rendering potential, and control loops of the time - only today is that technology beginning to catch up with the vision enough to capture the imagination of the larger public.
Leaving aside some of the critiques I could offer, I'll just say he has always wanted to push ahead of the curve of practical economics and logistics; always trying to capture, move, and store more data than practical with today's technologies (whichever 'today' we happen to be in). Back in the days of film, he noticed a relationship between frame rate and sharpness, beyond the obvious aspects of smoother motion. And so then there was Showscan - a production technique entirely impractical for the economics of production, and especially delivery - 60fps@70mm. He struggled to find adopters, but it basically died on the shelf. When we designed and built the Luxor motion simulator, which Imax tried to productize, the things cost a million dollars a copy and relied on a 48fps Vista Vision process and hemispheric screens produced by a radar dome manufacturer, painted on-site to perfectly merge the seams. There were giant hydraulic cylinders and huge human factors safety considerations. It sat eight people at a time... You do the math.
Today, he is working on 120fps stereo, RAW; more practical than things of the past, but still pushing the cost curve for production, without even considering the specialized production expertise. And so he's sitting in the barn, or wherever, watching it alone. In the end, some people are simply ahead of their time, pushing the rest of the world to catch up. And Doug is one of those people. But he will have left his mark in ways people will be figuring out thirty years from now.
This video might help answer why Trumbull's career didn't flourish the way it should have: th-cam.com/video/LpQR5SFwM-8/w-d-xo.html
He has made a difference in the industry, to this day almost every sci-fi film is still ripping off the visuals from one of his scenes, the problem is he doesn't get enough credit. I guess this will always be the fate of vfx guys.
He had a HUGE impact. You just don't know it due to lack of due credit.
Glad to see he's still working on the magipod. Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk was a missed opportunity. It needed to be displayed in a theater like Doug's to really promote the idea. One day perhaps. But it's not just the film making part, it's the authoring. Theaters suck. They aren't bright enough for even 2D movies let alone 3D movies. They aren't large enough and their seating stinks. You need the whole enchilada to make the experience like this work.
Dead at 79. Rest In Pease Douglas Trumbull.
I don't know if I wholly agree that the audience isn't a part of what's happening on film. It's a lot like a video game, you're a participant in what's happening. Something happens on screen and (hopefully) you react and elicit emotions. A scary scene makes you literally jump in your seat, or a dramatic scene will make you cry, and so on. I think it's more interactive than just being a bystander watching a story unfold for other people. There's a connection there for sure.
Wonder if he had any involvement in the Magic Eye feature at EPCOT…
There was a very short time, during the first feature. I saw some characters on this stage in front of me. It made me think of you.
Isn't this kind of immersion that he talks about something that is present in and achieved much more effectively in video games?
Does anyone know how to get in contact with Douglas trumble?
Spell his name right, for a start.
He's totally right by saying we discarded the immersive cinema. Shame. In all action movies it would have been great! And what about making an entire movie in main character's point of view?! Even that with regular 3D effect would be quite cool.
it already exists
@@ImTweeZy Oh? Which movie?
@@Gourgandise Hardcore Henry, Maniac, Lady in the Lake, I love you Mommy, Dark Passage.
None of these are really great in my opinion but maybe you will love a few of them :)
@@ImTweeZy nice! Thanks! :)
@@Gourgandise Enter the Void (2009), Maniac (2012)
Like Archimedes, it might take the human race a couple of thousand years(lol!) to realize the practical, industrial, engineering applications of what Douglas Trumbull has talked about here and elsewhere. It's like Archimedes messing with steam in a motive power system - these things are all taken like a toy at first. It's like sonoluminescence; it's a gimmick, a novelty. No one breaks it all down to see the constituent elements in the action, what they are really doing, and what they can be arranged to do beyond the first obvious aspect. ...What the dynamics really imply as a complete catalogue.
People spend too much time caring about what idiots like Fermi say/said; and he is an idiot because he is utterly one-dimensional in his mindset. See, there's yer basic problem - y'all go bananas over one aspect that is pretty good in someone's intellect and forget everything else. And then you are likely to get angry when someone points out the sheer fact of it, that he is limited in his mentality, regardless of how correct he may have been in some simplistic aspects of number. Like a broken clock, 'correct' two times a whole day.
...You will NEVER discover or 'see' advanced 'alien' intelligences who could come here because you're all too stupid and one-dimensional for the most part to be able to look in the right places.
Fancy, I mean, really, fancy that something like this video has such a paucity of views when foolishly lurid, fashionably conspiratorial and narrow dissections of something like Eyes Wide Shut, will get several million views.
Nah. Too stupid to 'get' what an advanced alien intellect is interested in. People are continuously bleating for evidence; what evidence? You don't have the brain-power to comprehend the evidence, come to terms with what you saw, and know what to do about it next even when it was pointed out clearly to you.
John, if you're saying an alien intellect is knocking about the place and you have understood the evidence, you're talking nonsense. I get that you have set up a framework by which me even questioning you automatically places me into the category of "stupid and one-dimensional", but I'm ok with that.
@@DaveDexterMusic Dave, my friend, listen - that would be me and half a dozen fairly decently-recognized authentic academics around the world. US Navy has provided as much evidence as one could need to say 'there is something outside our present state of technology knocking around,' and the old Askania Theodolite film taken by NASA astronaut Gordon Cooper and sent to the Pentagon would not have resulted in more cameras being set up there to monitor, at least, right? Because they're stupid at the Pentagon, right? Which means there already is ten, twenty, more - however many - YEARS of continuous film more or less which HAS ALREADY provided EITHER - a large number of years of 1. nothing further, or 2. something further.
But not - neither of those two results.
Meanwhile, the US has said it has 17x speed of sound missiles or UAV's - and, the same weeks they announced that, they showed off the US Space Force... ...cloth flag. LOL
I agree, there is some dissonance appearing between the wonders of our... ...cloth flags - and the 'futuristic' claims of speedy machinery.
'if' - and I do say 'if' - there have been academics brought into the proposition to meaningfully study any concerns or precautions needed regarding any future reality of 'ET aliens' turning up OBVIOUSLY here, they would sooner or later come to the juncture that any such 'people' who could traverse such enormity of Time-Space, must have the capability to send data backwards in time. And by and by, our academic researchers would set about going back through our existing archives, to see if they could locate anything seriously anachronistic, if you understand what I mean.
It's all not quite as simple or as simplistically viewed by serious-minded authorities and academics, as you appear to want to suggest that the whole thing should be (looked upon as being).
Nobody in the world with any standing anywhere among thinking people, says something like 'I have understood the evidence' with the implication that no one else has. And I haven't done that. What I have said is we are a pretty slow-moving lot, historically, when it comes to the full exploitation of 'new things' in our maths and science (and this could be because of politics and contests within society for power and position), although people widely fancy the human race is really smart - so smart that it could easily interact with other cultures from millions light years away; well but see, THAT is not sensible, that is not the sensible nor logical conclusion there at all. We are NOWHERE NEAR traversing such distances and therefore, it 'could be' concluded that neither are we anywhere near comprehending the mindsets or interests or even communications, of those who could do such things.
What there is NO EVIDENCE AT ALL FOR - is that the human race is all that bright, IN COMPARISON, hypothetically, to such 'external' intelligence. 'They' could be here - how would you know? And I do mean YOU specifically. What makes you think that mere blanket overt skepticism based on your narrow band of human knowledge gives you the width to 'see' anything? You couldn't see the difference between a toy and a steam engine for two thousand years nearly.
@@DaveDexterMusic Oh Dave... I saw your channel. Hmn. Well. Anywhere anytime, if you're serious and have more than just yourself to 'ask the question' formally, that you in fact did already do, casually. There's more than me over here, Dave; who have to get approval for things but we could go with this, I think. For one thing I like the music I just saw. That counts. Tell me what you think of um, IDK, um, Miami Rave Festival music, or Lux Partum in Berlin... : )
How's your cultural span...? You want to see an ET alien... Is that what you are asking for?
No one's going to believe you David. But you know, what the heck, right.
Wonder if Doug sold his barge yet.
Today's blockbuster SciFi movies look great and will get even better in the future but the stories are terrible.
Alita: Battle Angel is my favorite movie of all time!
3:36 he's wrong, it was ultimately rejected by the audience, also this new 500fps, 3d,4d VR, it's actually taking you out of the movie, movies are suppose to be like a half dream state to you anyway, it would be like some stabs you for real when somoene in a movie gets stabbed. Some overleap just doesn work.
I agree. I'm not a huge fan of this idea, but who knows what he could have done with this tech :(
It's utterly irrelevant what technological advances happen in the 'pallet' of advancing a story Douglas. What is THE most
important element of any film is THE STORY. Citizen Kane could have been shot on Super8 brother Trumbull and it would have
been just as great a film, trust me. These phony gimmicks of 3d this and 3d that are visual WOW'S!, but are the 'tail-fins' of
cinema that do nothing what-so-ever to make the viewer THINK. And conceptualization is what makes great films great. Not
the pathetic distraction of trying to outdo the previous generation's tools of trying to convey the ideas of the films writers.