Thanks for watching as usual! Man, it feels like this video took a long time to come out, but I think that's just because I got a bit sick while writing the script and wanted to spare you all of having to hear my already-nasally voice in an even more congested state during recording. I waited a day or two for the brunt of it to pass before I recorded the audio so hopefully it's not too bad to listen to. I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the Phantom Liberty expansion and I'll catch you on Halloween (October 31st) with another special episode!
@@DatDarkOnei mean they let me just get outta the ice bath and leave and i still haven't gotten screwed over by them, i HAVE gotten ambushed by netwatch tho
Personally I believe þe devs should have let V ask Alt for a copy of soulkiller so þey can soulkill Placide, repeatedly duplicate his engram, and painfully destroy each copy.
One of my favorite part about the VDBs is how they took over a gang who effectively just used bad stereotypes, and vodou imagery and went "Stop appropriating" lmao
I really liked the passing explanation of the the Bozos. I’d really like to know more about them. Seems like Ozob from 2077 is either a last remaining member or was inspired by them at least
Quoting from the wiki: Ozob is a character originally created in the 1990s by Deive "Azaghal" Pazos, co-founder of the Brazilian geek site Jovem Nerd. The character became a fan favorite after being featured on three Cyberpunk RPG special episodes of "Nerdcast", the website's podcast and main attraction. Apparently Azaghal voiced Ozob in the brazilian portuguese dub, where most the lines are ad-libed. So while he may be connected he's more of an easter egg to the Brazilian fanbase, then an important character like the last remaining bozo...
I always choose to side with Netwatch. I didn’t even know the Voodoo Boys were going to betray me my first run. The idea of rogue AI breaching the Black Wall and threatening humanities existence because the Boys “won’t stop poking holes in the damn thing” was enough. That and for some reason in 2077, trusting and making deals with corpos over the average choom seems to work out more often than not. Hell, a Mr. Hands Dogtown mission rewards you for allowing a Netwatch agent to keep continue their investigation.
Netwatch are plenty corrupt in their dealings with others, in the role of Enabling others- But their own objectives and goals are pretty damn, well, important to human survival.
you are incredibly naive if you think working with corps turns out good more often than bad. only seeing the instant gratification and not looking big picture is how companies both in game and irl get you.
Isn't it stated that the reason the VDBs are trying to contact Alt is that they see Netwatch's efforts as futile and a band-aid fix at best? They see an AI apocalypse as inevitable, either the Blackwall coming down, or the Blackwall itself going rogue since it is an AI itself, and because of this they want to try to make a deal with Alt in a bid to guarantee safety for themselves.
Yeah they also try to poke holes into the blackwall in attempts to gain favor with the Rogue AI for when this “inevitable” apocalypse happens. I exterminate them on sight for that alone, for being so naive. The Rogue AI are separate entities. So assuming they would work all together in the first place is a leap. Arasaka files indicate that the Rogue AI are fighting amongst themselves for “territory” for lack of a better word. The Old Netspace, beyond the Blackwall where they operate is a finite realm that stopped expanding when the DataKrash incident ended. Not all Rogue AI are "evil", the Blackwall itself is proof of this. As it is speculated to be a Rogue AI that worked/works with NetWatch to protect humanity. Whereas the Rogue AI trying to possess So Mi was extremely hostile towards humans. I believe that AI was the same one who texted V about decrypting the behaviour chip from the robot and allowing V to use its abilities in exchange for data. Its likely this is how most if not all Rogue AI interact with the world, through bargains and promises. You must simply hope and pray you didn’t stumble upon an evil one that would betray you. In my opinion, the Rogue AI will never be able to break the Blackwall without exterior aid. The Rogue AI’s trapped behind the wall are limited in terms of knowledge, a majority having now only access to the data from the Old net which would be technology almost 50 years behind the new Net(s). Unless, someone willingly shares data with a Rogue AI. Which would explain why NetWatch takes these breaches so seriously. A lot can be learned from the Cyberspace beyond the wall, Arasaka have projects that send agents into it specifically to search/collect data. Like in Cyberpunk; Edgerunners. Lucy was raised as an Arasaka Netrunner specifically for this task, her team slowly got killed off one by one from Rogue AI encounters until they decided to escape together to avoid the same fate. The VDBs logic doesn't make sense, the only reason the AI's went Rogue in the first place was because they were introduced to the R.A.B.I.D.S virus which turned some of them volatile. We can assume that the 22% unaffected by the Virus are still somewhat programmed to serve/aid humanity. You can argue that someone can implement the same kind of virus down the line on the Blackwall AI turning it rogue, but that's where NetWatch comes in. Mind you, Rach Bartmoss was considered a prodigy and genius Netrunner who made Daemons, so it's safe to say to create such a virus you'd have to be on the same caliber as him. TL;DR- i exterminate VDM for lore reasons
Yea.....but I'm petty those motherfuckers sent me on a suicide mission and never actually intended to help me. All my homies hate the Voodoo Boys But yea fair not like anybody else was going to be able to do anything about the breach
Just reached the phantom liberty mission where you SPOILER Track down Slider. Man, I feel no love for the Pacifica VDBs poking holes in the Blackwall, backstabbing V and starting Evelyn on the road to her ultimate fate, but the reveal that Slider's crew is actually at massive odds with the Pacifica gang made me rethink my VDB hate boner, at least in regards to the Dogtown crews
Just recently beat the main story of Phantom Liberty. Your videos are such a good introduction to the wider lore of Cyperpunk for someone with only 2077 knowledge. Watching what you've released so far really increased my enjoyment of learning more about the world in the DLC. Keep up the great content!
You can make the argument that I should be chill with the Dogtown VDBs, but the Pacifica runners can get fried every time I play. I get johnny not liking "Bryce", and yeah not cool that he tagged me (why was V not expecting that though?), but after what they did to Evelyn, how they treat me just because I'm not Haitian born or their community, how they would ultimately use me as a sacrificial pawn for Alt across the black wall no matter what I did, and how their whole plan was to hopefully get in good with a rogue AI of significant enough power that, when the wall finally falls, it would protect them (really big reach with absolutely no supporting evidence for such an outcome, and all of it fuelled 110% by galactic levels of pride and hubris) to the detriment of everyone else around them? Nah, they get off too easy
Thank you! That means a lot (especially since I was getting over a cold as I recorded this lol). I'm a bit self-concious about my voice so thanks for the kind words!
Your reticle turns red on living people. Though this is not 100% as you find some "dead" Mox's above their club and if you pick them up then put them down they start moving. The reticle doesn't turn red either.
Thanks for the spoiler warning! I want to watch but need to wait a couple of weeks as I just reinstalled and started Phantom Liberty today. I'm sure the video will be fun after!
I have to admit in the context of what has happened to Haiti and what continues to happen to it in the cyberpunk timeline their insular mentality, and even their turning their back on humanity as a whole makes a lot more sense. The rest of us long turned our back on them first.
Joker didn't kill Batman's parents. There are several different versions but its generally Joe Chill. It was only Jack Nicholson's Joker that killed his parents in the 90's batman movie.
I was waiting to see if anyone would bring up that discrepency haha, I included it because I think for the general public, that's one of the more well known origins.
Sick video. Been running a RED game that focuses around the formation of the VDB's and their war with the Bozo's is heating up in that as well. looking forward to more vids.
Thank you so much for the insigtful video, i dont think the video seemed to have "off-topic" sections, it is just the nature of the Cyberpunk world as it is.
A couple of questions that have been nagging at me for a while is how did Johnny's engram end up on the Relic, and how did the Voodoo Boys know about it? The Relic was supposed to house one particular engram, and it wasn't Johnny. Did the Boys get lucky, intercepting communications between Netwatch and Noriobu, or was it something else?
I cannot wait for the net video!!!!! Thank you for the lore videos.... I can't wait for the next one! You do have the best lore videos out there. You are much more indepth than others.
Don't the VDBs also say that the blackwall is an AI itself, and it turning against humanity is inevitable, resulting in a datacrash 2.0? So their goal (at least for the Pacifica crew) to pierce the blackwall is to curry favor with AI so that they might survive post datacrash part two electric boogaloo? Carving out an existence for themselves no matter the cost to others is something the vbds do often, and better explains their fascination with the blackwall rather than a simple thirst for knowledge.
@@Belial289 Two of the worst gangs in the whole game are the Scavs and Maelstrom, two predominantly white gangs with ties to the USSR and Neo-Nazism, respectively. I don't think I need to explain why they're horrible if you've played the game long enough and done enough side jobs/gigs. The VDB may be playing around with humanity's fate as a whole by trying to break through the Black Wall, but they aren't the ones trafficking/chopping up people, peddling hard drugs, forcing excessive amounts of cyberware onto people, or protecting XBD rollers/editors. The VDB are quite literally saints compared to Scavs or Maelstrom.
Awesome video, can't wait for when you get to the rest of the gangs. Especially the poser gangs, because those are fun. Sucks we didn't get the poser gangs in 2077, but that probably would have been a legal nightmare.
Pretty sure there’s a throw away line you missed that has major implications for the VDB’s if you don’t attack them & side with them instead of netwatch. That being they did strike a deal up with alt, & most of them disappeared. I haven’t done the mission but apparently you have to do “love rollercoaster” then later go back & you’ll get that dialogue from one of the guys. Was actually looking for that when I found your lore video. Which is way more interesting then any of the stuff you put together
V hated them for no solid reason besides thinking for themselves and having good opsec it makes him sound like a self insert preachy device planted by the writers
no solid reason? they use V two times for a suicide-mission (against netwatch and to pierce through the black wall, normally a death sentence). I think, that is solid enough. I killed the VB's on every single playthrough.... 🤔
The later Voodoo Boys remind me of Lucas and Beauvior and the Voodoo Gods from Count Zero by William Gibson. Cool way to hearken back to the origins of the Cyberpunk genre as a whole.
In my opinion, I think the voodoo boys next move will be on a side similar to Where alt cunningham is ATM. As in from those who have seem to have passed.
i live and let live with the vdb every single playthrough, they know what they're doing. i trust netwatch as much as I trust the NCPD to turn off their bodycams everytime they do a "routine traffic stop". plus they literally let u walk outta there so, it doesn't really serve me to defeat them, they aren't in my way and they never try to go after me afterwards, unlike netwatch who sent a hit squad after me right after i also got ambushed by afterlife mercs lmao but despite all that, i still try to just keep it nonlethal
They only let you live because otherwise they would be in big shit with Alt, which would have completely defeated their usage of you in the first place. Your a ranyon, which means they would have killed you again once you outlive your usefulness, and made sure you were unrepairable next time. Not the mention they only wanted to contact Alt so that when the inevitable fall/betrayal of the Blackwall happens, Alt can keep them, and only them safe so they can be the only race on the planet because they are xenophobic human excrement.
@everberon thats fair, pragmatic thinking. By the time I got here I finished all the NCPD jobs, Gigs, and Cyberpsycho missions, and had a fully upgraded Berserk and Gorilla Arms, so honestly they shoulda been on their knees apologizing in the first place lol.
Frankly i hate them so ive always killed them... The betrayal of V and Evelyn is to much.... But you also have to consider they whant to get to the other side of the black wall... and what not... and poking holes in it is just a bad idea. SO there is alot of reasons why they are dying. 0 of the good but what do we care... as loong blood is spilled i am content and happy!
Weird take maybe, but when the 2020's iteration of the VDBs is more sympathetic than their 2077 iteration, CDProjekt Red may have missed the tone just enough that trying to present a more sympathetic faction in Phantom Liberty just seemed...tone deaf, to be frank. Especially because they actually seem to care that you zero'd Brigitte, something that pretty much proves blind dude is a massive liar when he claims to be "out". Good vid, but it's a bit of a shame we got worst version of the gang in the video game.
That's an interesting take. I personally found the gang in 2077 to be more sumpathetic and relatable, but that's perhaps due to how little info we have on the gang aside from their general charactarization in 2020. Interesting stuff!
It's bloody tone-deaf alright. CDPR turned every voodoo-boy into isolationist irredeemable black-people without any integrity - willing to lure, deceive and dispose of outside help that would be 100% beneficial to them if they could just lay off the Ranyon remarks for a minute. In PL you can add "defends child-murder" to the list. They cannot be reasoned with. It's like all the bad stereotypes in one, least interesting faction by a mile and definitely worst written... Well that's a bit harsh I admit, Slider is pretty well written for an unapologetic wanker. Like his character even though he does murder kids. Hell despite Maelstrom being absolutely 100% worse than the Voodoo's on the "Bad People" scale lore-wise, people still prefer them since Dum Dum makes a half-decent first impression, and you can reason with the leadership to do some of their quests without hassle.
@@everberon Other guy said it pretty well already. I'd add that 2020 VDB, while objectively terrible people, are explicitly stated to welcome outsiders, whereas the game VDB will break every deal they make with any ranyon, apparently. Or at least that is the players' experience. I couldn't even say the game VDB do "less horrible" things, because they're trying to tear down the Blackwall and Phantom Liberty shows us just how bad that would be by exposing us to the devestation ONE fragmented, insane AI can cause. 2020 VDB just killed people. 2077 VDB is trying to genocide humanity. You put unsympathetic and hostile characters on top of that and you get a really bad image. Especially when you compare them to normal people in Pacifica outside of the VDB commune. The roller coaster kids were actually really nice. But they weren't VDB, or at least not immediately recognisable as such if they are (I'd have to scan them next time I'm ingame to be sure). So, basically, all VDB are bad, but 2020 has some implicit descriptors, like accepting people post-hazing and recruiting from the outside, that work better in direct interaction than an, as depicted, completely isolationist faction. As an afterthought, I'd add that perhaps putting Phantom Liberty after the VDB questline in the MQ was a mistake. Meeting Slider first without that baggage both makes what you let Slider do more plausible and makes the VDB more sympathetic, because thanks to him, there is now an implicit reason to distrust outsiders present. You also would not know about their reaction to Brigitte's death, so could take their alleged disassociation with the VDB main branch at face value. (And honestly, meeting Alt for the first time with a Blackwall-infested cyberdeck might have made for a highly interesting encounter...)
@@maxgehtdnixan4913 Those are some very well thought-out points you make, and I defiantly see what you're getting at a lot better. In many ways I think I tend to agree.
I think it's cool how they've incorporated it overtime. It almost feels more rich given that our most comprehensive look into the world comes so far after these events. Really makes you wonder...
Yeah it wouldn’t make sense for voodoo boys to be white white propel don’t come in Haitian my clown friend just like whites wouldn’t want Afros to be European Haitians wouldn’t want white to have the name of Afro ancestors names
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Thanks for watching as usual! Man, it feels like this video took a long time to come out, but I think that's just because I got a bit sick while writing the script and wanted to spare you all of having to hear my already-nasally voice in an even more congested state during recording. I waited a day or two for the brunt of it to pass before I recorded the audio so hopefully it's not too bad to listen to.
I hope everyone is doing well and enjoying the Phantom Liberty expansion and I'll catch you on Halloween (October 31st) with another special episode!
I always kill Voodoo Boys in my playthroughs. I'll never forgive them for getting the better of me on my first run. lol
Facts I also got owned the first playthrough.
Never trust anyone who speaks fr*nch, that's a rule of mine.
There is no option you have with them where they don't try to screw you over. NONE.
@@DatDarkOnei mean they let me just get outta the ice bath and leave and i still haven't gotten screwed over by them, i HAVE gotten ambushed by netwatch tho
@@DIGITALGH05T You got screwed over when they said YOU had to go pass the Blackwall instead of one of them.
The worst thing about Placide is that I can only truly kill him once.
Personally I believe þe devs should have let V ask Alt for a copy of soulkiller so þey can soulkill Placide, repeatedly duplicate his engram, and painfully destroy each copy.
One of my favorite part about the VDBs is how they took over a gang who effectively just used bad stereotypes, and vodou imagery and went "Stop appropriating" lmao
I really liked the passing explanation of the the Bozos. I’d really like to know more about them. Seems like Ozob from 2077 is either a last remaining member or was inspired by them at least
He definately has some conenctions, but it's tough to say what...
His name ozob is bozo backwards
Quoting from the wiki: Ozob is a character originally created in the 1990s by Deive "Azaghal" Pazos, co-founder of the Brazilian geek site Jovem Nerd. The character became a fan favorite after being featured on three Cyberpunk RPG special episodes of "Nerdcast", the website's podcast and main attraction. Apparently Azaghal voiced Ozob in the brazilian portuguese dub, where most the lines are ad-libed. So while he may be connected he's more of an easter egg to the Brazilian fanbase, then an important character like the last remaining bozo...
Pretty sure Ozob says he's from Brazil in game too
@@freak3d And his last name is just Bozo forwards, which is Ozob backwards
I always choose to side with Netwatch. I didn’t even know the Voodoo Boys were going to betray me my first run. The idea of rogue AI breaching the Black Wall and threatening humanities existence because the Boys “won’t stop poking holes in the damn thing” was enough. That and for some reason in 2077, trusting and making deals with corpos over the average choom seems to work out more often than not. Hell, a Mr. Hands Dogtown mission rewards you for allowing a Netwatch agent to keep continue their investigation.
Netwatch are plenty corrupt in their dealings with others, in the role of Enabling others-
But their own objectives and goals are pretty damn, well, important to human survival.
@@Cthululululu Oh yeah, every corporation is corrupt, BUT I’ll take that in exchange for humanities continued existence.
you are incredibly naive if you think working with corps turns out good more often than bad. only seeing the instant gratification and not looking big picture is how companies both in game and irl get you.
@@Belial289 Ah yes, because the near or total genocide of the human race by rogue AI isn’t apart of the “Big Picture”.
@@Belial289 you would have had a point if Genocidal, horrific artificial intelligences aren't a thing in Cyberpunk with Netwatch keeping it back
I will betray them in that one mall/car mission EVERY playthrough, bc fuck em!
Isn't it stated that the reason the VDBs are trying to contact Alt is that they see Netwatch's efforts as futile and a band-aid fix at best? They see an AI apocalypse as inevitable, either the Blackwall coming down, or the Blackwall itself going rogue since it is an AI itself, and because of this they want to try to make a deal with Alt in a bid to guarantee safety for themselves.
Yeah that is the end goal.
Yeah they also try to poke holes into the blackwall in attempts to gain favor with the Rogue AI for when this “inevitable” apocalypse happens.
I exterminate them on sight for that alone, for being so naive. The Rogue AI are separate entities. So assuming they would work all together in the first place is a leap.
Arasaka files indicate that the Rogue AI are fighting amongst themselves for “territory” for lack of a better word. The Old Netspace, beyond the Blackwall where they operate is a finite realm that stopped expanding when the DataKrash incident ended.
Not all Rogue AI are "evil", the Blackwall itself is proof of this. As it is speculated to be a Rogue AI that worked/works with NetWatch to protect humanity. Whereas the Rogue AI trying to possess So Mi was extremely hostile towards humans. I believe that AI was the same one who texted V about decrypting the behaviour chip from the robot and allowing V to use its abilities in exchange for data. Its likely this is how most if not all Rogue AI interact with the world, through bargains and promises. You must simply hope and pray you didn’t stumble upon an evil one that would betray you.
In my opinion, the Rogue AI will never be able to break the Blackwall without exterior aid. The Rogue AI’s trapped behind the wall are limited in terms of knowledge, a majority having now only access to the data from the Old net which would be technology almost 50 years behind the new Net(s). Unless, someone willingly shares data with a Rogue AI. Which would explain why NetWatch takes these breaches so seriously.
A lot can be learned from the Cyberspace beyond the wall, Arasaka have projects that send agents into it specifically to search/collect data. Like in Cyberpunk; Edgerunners.
Lucy was raised as an Arasaka Netrunner specifically for this task, her team slowly got killed off one by one from Rogue AI encounters until they decided to escape together to avoid the same fate.
The VDBs logic doesn't make sense, the only reason the AI's went Rogue in the first place was because they were introduced to the R.A.B.I.D.S virus which turned some of them volatile. We can assume that the 22% unaffected by the Virus are still somewhat programmed to serve/aid humanity. You can argue that someone can implement the same kind of virus down the line on the Blackwall AI turning it rogue, but that's where NetWatch comes in. Mind you, Rach Bartmoss was considered a prodigy and genius Netrunner who made Daemons, so it's safe to say to create such a virus you'd have to be on the same caliber as him.
TL;DR-
i exterminate VDM for lore reasons
Yea.....but I'm petty those motherfuckers sent me on a suicide mission and never actually intended to help me. All my homies hate the Voodoo Boys
But yea fair not like anybody else was going to be able to do anything about the breach
Just reached the phantom liberty mission where you SPOILER
Track down Slider. Man, I feel no love for the Pacifica VDBs poking holes in the Blackwall, backstabbing V and starting Evelyn on the road to her ultimate fate, but the reveal that Slider's crew is actually at massive odds with the Pacifica gang made me rethink my VDB hate boner, at least in regards to the Dogtown crews
Honestly, Slider dying was the moment I turned on Reed
Just recently beat the main story of Phantom Liberty. Your videos are such a good introduction to the wider lore of Cyperpunk for someone with only 2077 knowledge. Watching what you've released so far really increased my enjoyment of learning more about the world in the DLC. Keep up the great content!
Thank you! I'll be sure to do so!
You can make the argument that I should be chill with the Dogtown VDBs, but the Pacifica runners can get fried every time I play. I get johnny not liking "Bryce", and yeah not cool that he tagged me (why was V not expecting that though?), but after what they did to Evelyn, how they treat me just because I'm not Haitian born or their community, how they would ultimately use me as a sacrificial pawn for Alt across the black wall no matter what I did, and how their whole plan was to hopefully get in good with a rogue AI of significant enough power that, when the wall finally falls, it would protect them (really big reach with absolutely no supporting evidence for such an outcome, and all of it fuelled 110% by galactic levels of pride and hubris) to the detriment of everyone else around them? Nah, they get off too easy
Your tone is so fucking perfect for this style of video. I could listen to you all day man. Great work!
Thank you! That means a lot (especially since I was getting over a cold as I recorded this lol). I'm a bit self-concious about my voice so thanks for the kind words!
You can nonlethally choke out placide. He doesn't give you any proof of life afterwards though. So I think this is unintended.
It's sometimes very difficult to tell if a character is dead or not in this game lol
Your reticle turns red on living people. Though this is not 100% as you find some "dead" Mox's above their club and if you pick them up then put them down they start moving. The reticle doesn't turn red either.
Thanks for the spoiler warning! I want to watch but need to wait a couple of weeks as I just reinstalled and started Phantom Liberty today. I'm sure the video will be fun after!
Not to worry, and I'm glad that it helped. 👍 Enjoy the expansion!
Best cyberpunk 2077 lore videos i've seen so far. The research and old 2020 references are great.
@everberon these are GREAT! Please keep them coming, I cannot express the awesomeness in your CP Lore series. You are bound for greatness, choom!
Thank you so much! Happy to see you're having fun with them!
I have to admit in the context of what has happened to Haiti and what continues to happen to it in the cyberpunk timeline their insular mentality, and even their turning their back on humanity as a whole makes a lot more sense. The rest of us long turned our back on them first.
Don't even try to justify how shitty they are.
@kake1604 no, no, they make a really good point...
Joker didn't kill Batman's parents. There are several different versions but its generally Joe Chill. It was only Jack Nicholson's Joker that killed his parents in the 90's batman movie.
I was waiting to see if anyone would bring up that discrepency haha, I included it because I think for the general public, that's one of the more well known origins.
This is amazing dude!!
Glad you like it my boi 💯
@@everberon I learn something new every time love it my dude!!
Sick video. Been running a RED game that focuses around the formation of the VDB's and their war with the Bozo's is heating up in that as well. looking forward to more vids.
These videos are like crack, bro. I'm working on a cyberpunk game this get's me pumped to work.
Glad to hear! Thanks for watching :)
Thank you so much for the insigtful video, i dont think the video seemed to have "off-topic" sections, it is just the nature of the Cyberpunk world as it is.
Haha appreciate that! Thank you
Dont ask the voodoo boys why their arent any cats in night city
Keep going this is great stuff, your gonna do well when everyone else discovers your content.
Thank you! Glad you are enjoying 👍
A couple of questions that have been nagging at me for a while is how did Johnny's engram end up on the Relic, and how did the Voodoo Boys know about it? The Relic was supposed to house one particular engram, and it wasn't Johnny. Did the Boys get lucky, intercepting communications between Netwatch and Noriobu, or was it something else?
I personally think the Relic is the repaired and modified Soulkiller shard that Murphy used on Johnny when he was killed by Adam Smasher.
That bastard placide tried to kill me- total voodoo death.
happy you covered them and other great lore of this series
Love your Cyberpunk lore vids 😍
Funfact : the guy who pretended to be Mosley isn't the guy he pretends to be, the real Mosley is dead and can be found in game.
Not sure if anyone else pointed it out, but that Bozo Cent Wit is for sure a reference to Pennywise from IT.
Cent = penny, wit= wise(dom)
WOAH yep you are the first to point that out and I completely didn't see that the first time!
@@everberon the iconic red balloon!
It would be cool in the next Cyberpunk sequel. We got another flash back in the year 2020, we came across the original VDB.
Wow thanks for your work! Only a week after I said how cool a video on the Voodoo Boys would be, I feel lucky ❤️🎉
Finally!!! Been waiting for a new Cyberpunk video, thank you for your hard work!!!
Haha sorry it took so long! Glad to have another vid for ya!
I cannot wait for the net video!!!!! Thank you for the lore videos.... I can't wait for the next one! You do have the best lore videos out there. You are much more indepth than others.
Thank you! That's what I try for. I know they take longer to make than others, but i'm glad ppl find the wait is worth it!
Don't the VDBs also say that the blackwall is an AI itself, and it turning against humanity is inevitable, resulting in a datacrash 2.0? So their goal (at least for the Pacifica crew) to pierce the blackwall is to curry favor with AI so that they might survive post datacrash part two electric boogaloo? Carving out an existence for themselves no matter the cost to others is something the vbds do often, and better explains their fascination with the blackwall rather than a simple thirst for knowledge.
This is true. They think they can reason with the rogue AI's beyond the Black Wall with the belief that they'd be favored for breaking through it.
Good to know I will meet VooDoo Boys again. Thanks for the great video.
How have I never found this channel. TH-cam is failing me.
Another great video mate. Love watching your content!
They are a gang that are difficult to avoid killing, it's like they were designed that way.
Kinda of hard to not want to seeing as how the entire time all they do is lie to you.
might be a little bit of prejudice in there, to be honest. the more i look at how cdpr does "diversity", the more it seems that way.
@@Belial289 Two of the worst gangs in the whole game are the Scavs and Maelstrom, two predominantly white gangs with ties to the USSR and Neo-Nazism, respectively. I don't think I need to explain why they're horrible if you've played the game long enough and done enough side jobs/gigs. The VDB may be playing around with humanity's fate as a whole by trying to break through the Black Wall, but they aren't the ones trafficking/chopping up people, peddling hard drugs, forcing excessive amounts of cyberware onto people, or protecting XBD rollers/editors. The VDB are quite literally saints compared to Scavs or Maelstrom.
Placide, what a nice guy. What a shame i had to waste them all.
Thank you soooo much for the spoiler alert ❤
Haven't yet played PL all the way through 😅
Awesome video, can't wait for when you get to the rest of the gangs. Especially the poser gangs, because those are fun. Sucks we didn't get the poser gangs in 2077, but that probably would have been a legal nightmare.
the extent of the poser gangs existing in 2077 are just when u see duplicate npcs waltzing around but unfortuantely i think that's just a coincidence
Love your lore video, can you do animals's gang lore ?
Please don't stop uploading CP2077 content!!!! It's a nice escape from our own fucked up world
I will, and thanks for watching!
Don’t abbreviate Cyberpunk like that
Pretty sure there’s a throw away line you missed that has major implications for the VDB’s if you don’t attack them & side with them instead of netwatch. That being they did strike a deal up with alt, & most of them disappeared. I haven’t done the mission but apparently you have to do “love rollercoaster” then later go back & you’ll get that dialogue from one of the guys. Was actually looking for that when I found your lore video. Which is way more interesting then any of the stuff you put together
I like your channel. Its very informative for a CP77 fan like myself.
I killed the netwatch agent so fast didn't get the dialogue and still killed the voodoo boys after anyways so everyone dies
Was it Evelyn going to sell the relic to Netwatch or was it Yorinobu? Or were they both gonna sell it to Netwatch?
Eveleyn was.
5:39 Does anyone know where this place is? I have never seen it before
V hated them for no solid reason besides thinking for themselves and having good opsec it makes him sound like a self insert preachy device planted by the writers
no solid reason? they use V two times for a suicide-mission (against netwatch and to pierce through the black wall, normally a death sentence). I think, that is solid enough. I killed the VB's on every single playthrough.... 🤔
The later Voodoo Boys remind me of Lucas and Beauvior and the Voodoo Gods from Count Zero by William Gibson. Cool way to hearken back to the origins of the Cyberpunk genre as a whole.
I love the VDB and wish that they had a more active role in the game. Loved that they came back for Phantom Liberty
In my opinion, I think the voodoo boys next move will be on a side similar to Where alt cunningham is ATM. As in from those who have seem to have passed.
i live and let live with the vdb every single playthrough, they know what they're doing. i trust netwatch as much as I trust the NCPD to turn off their bodycams everytime they do a "routine traffic stop". plus they literally let u walk outta there so, it doesn't really serve me to defeat them, they aren't in my way and they never try to go after me afterwards, unlike netwatch who sent a hit squad after me right after i also got ambushed by afterlife mercs lmao
but despite all that, i still try to just keep it nonlethal
EDIT: except for those Blackops Soldiers who got civilians zero'd at NCX, they don't "exist" anyway lmao
They only let you live because otherwise they would be in big shit with Alt, which would have completely defeated their usage of you in the first place. Your a ranyon, which means they would have killed you again once you outlive your usefulness, and made sure you were unrepairable next time. Not the mention they only wanted to contact Alt so that when the inevitable fall/betrayal of the Blackwall happens, Alt can keep them, and only them safe so they can be the only race on the planet because they are xenophobic human excrement.
In the sequel game I hope the BOZOS are a joinable faction, with BOZO body mods and cyberware.
They also killed Evelyn.
"If they FOR SOME REASON threat Brigitte." Oh you know, some unknown reason.
Haha I don't blame anyone who would, but at the same time, being surrounded by Voodoo Boys and deep underground sure made me think twice lol
@everberon thats fair, pragmatic thinking. By the time I got here I finished all the NCPD jobs, Gigs, and Cyberpsycho missions, and had a fully upgraded Berserk and Gorilla Arms, so honestly they shoulda been on their knees apologizing in the first place lol.
@@allhandsondik7803 Real, sounds like you put the hurt on 'em!
Damn, you shouldnt have punched the guy, he gives you some of the best cybernetics in the game.
5:40 wh- where’s this shot in the game??
It's outside of the city, in the desert. I believe Red Sands. It's either on the very border of the game, or out of bounds someplace.
maybe CentWit = Penny Wise? woot woot
I saw this from another comment first, but yours was the earliest bringing this up. That's great thinking I completely missed this!
Frankly i hate them so ive always killed them... The betrayal of V and Evelyn is to much.... But you also have to consider they whant to get to the other side of the black wall... and what not... and poking holes in it is just a bad idea.
SO there is alot of reasons why they are dying. 0 of the good but what do we care... as loong blood is spilled i am content and happy!
Slider did not deserve this.
Fact you cant use gun in they zone talk a lot !!!
Nice 😮
Crazy talent used for the wrong reasons.
Weird take maybe, but when the 2020's iteration of the VDBs is more sympathetic than their 2077 iteration, CDProjekt Red may have missed the tone just enough that trying to present a more sympathetic faction in Phantom Liberty just seemed...tone deaf, to be frank. Especially because they actually seem to care that you zero'd Brigitte, something that pretty much proves blind dude is a massive liar when he claims to be "out". Good vid, but it's a bit of a shame we got worst version of the gang in the video game.
That's an interesting take. I personally found the gang in 2077 to be more sumpathetic and relatable, but that's perhaps due to how little info we have on the gang aside from their general charactarization in 2020. Interesting stuff!
It's bloody tone-deaf alright. CDPR turned every voodoo-boy into isolationist irredeemable black-people without any integrity - willing to lure, deceive and dispose of outside help that would be 100% beneficial to them if they could just lay off the Ranyon remarks for a minute. In PL you can add "defends child-murder" to the list. They cannot be reasoned with. It's like all the bad stereotypes in one, least interesting faction by a mile and definitely worst written... Well that's a bit harsh I admit, Slider is pretty well written for an unapologetic wanker. Like his character even though he does murder kids.
Hell despite Maelstrom being absolutely 100% worse than the Voodoo's on the "Bad People" scale lore-wise, people still prefer them since Dum Dum makes a half-decent first impression, and you can reason with the leadership to do some of their quests without hassle.
@@everberon Other guy said it pretty well already. I'd add that 2020 VDB, while objectively terrible people, are explicitly stated to welcome outsiders, whereas the game VDB will break every deal they make with any ranyon, apparently. Or at least that is the players' experience. I couldn't even say the game VDB do "less horrible" things, because they're trying to tear down the Blackwall and Phantom Liberty shows us just how bad that would be by exposing us to the devestation ONE fragmented, insane AI can cause. 2020 VDB just killed people. 2077 VDB is trying to genocide humanity.
You put unsympathetic and hostile characters on top of that and you get a really bad image. Especially when you compare them to normal people in Pacifica outside of the VDB commune. The roller coaster kids were actually really nice. But they weren't VDB, or at least not immediately recognisable as such if they are (I'd have to scan them next time I'm ingame to be sure).
So, basically, all VDB are bad, but 2020 has some implicit descriptors, like accepting people post-hazing and recruiting from the outside, that work better in direct interaction than an, as depicted, completely isolationist faction.
As an afterthought, I'd add that perhaps putting Phantom Liberty after the VDB questline in the MQ was a mistake. Meeting Slider first without that baggage both makes what you let Slider do more plausible and makes the VDB more sympathetic, because thanks to him, there is now an implicit reason to distrust outsiders present. You also would not know about their reaction to Brigitte's death, so could take their alleged disassociation with the VDB main branch at face value. (And honestly, meeting Alt for the first time with a Blackwall-infested cyberdeck might have made for a highly interesting encounter...)
Wild to me raping thrill killers come off as more sympathetic than xenophobic community protectors. Players really take backstabbings personally lol.
@@maxgehtdnixan4913 Those are some very well thought-out points you make, and I defiantly see what you're getting at a lot better. In many ways I think I tend to agree.
Haitian Netrunners 😂🤣😂🤣😂🤣😂
Earlier cyberpunk lore is so much more interesting. I would much rather play a Cyberpunk 2020 videogame.
I think it's cool how they've incorporated it overtime. It almost feels more rich given that our most comprehensive look into the world comes so far after these events. Really makes you wonder...
It is on its way.
Your woke is showing bro, we don't need to hear about appropriation.
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Yeah it wouldn’t make sense for voodoo boys to be white white propel don’t come in Haitian my clown friend just like whites wouldn’t want Afros to be European Haitians wouldn’t want white to have the name of Afro ancestors names