Athlean-X's ABSURD Arm Training Advice (Is This For Real?)
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In today's video I'm responding to a recent athlean-x video entitled "Get Bigger Arms in 22 Days! (GUARANTEED)". In that video Jeff Cavaliere makes the outlandish claim that his special athlean-x arm workout can pack a full INCH of size onto your arms in only 3 weeks. In fact, this video is just one installment from a complete series he calls "22 Days To Bigger Muscles (GUARANTEED!)" which includes other gems such as "Get a Flat Stomach in 22 Days! (HOME WORKOUT)", "Get a Bigger Chest in 22 Days! (HOME CHEST WORKOUT)", "Get a 6 Pack in 22 Days! (HOME AB WORKOUT)" and more. It seems that ever since the athlean-x fake weights scandal broke and Jeff's monthly views were cut roughly in half, he's now resorted to even more gimmicky content than before to try to recover. In this video I'll explain the reality behind this curlean x, er, athlean-x "22 days" silliness, along with realistic rates of arm growth you can actually expect in the real world. I'll also give my thoughts on why these types of false claims can actually be harmful to novice lifters. Hope you enjoy the video. - แนวปฏิบัติและการใช้ชีวิต
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Hey Sean 12-16 Sets for big muscles a week two times OK ?
100% agree with u
Dude I signed for the free program and never received sh*t quit lying
Hi Sean thank you for sharing your information I really like it it’s helpful and it’s made a huge difference in my everyday intense cardio and lifting every day. I
What's up Sean? Thanks for the free service, but I have tried getting a fitness program twice now and I haven't received a response.
You're completely wrong. I've seen the evidence.
I remember when I was a kid seeing this guy call Popeye who's arms grew 300% after eating just one can of spinach.
Sadly I've never found spinach available in a can, so cannot replicate this routine.
Bless your humor bro... lmao
Canned spinach is only good for forearm gains.
@@Muscats1980 I think those were tumours he had, lol.
My grocery store sells canned spinach with Popeye on the can.
Clearly I have an advantage and should be filling my cart with the stuff.
@@NotARealHomestead We only have either fresh in a bag or frozen in a bag. Must be an American thing
I love how you gave him credit for the stuff he does right instead of completely thrashing his message
Especially on the internet where you only get attention when you take an extreme stance.
Lol ive done both if these guys advice jeffs is so much better lol but hes good to just not as good
That’s what I like about Sean. He even gives credit to some V Shred workouts, albeit Sean credits it as “basic” exercise. Lol but it’s great Sean does this. It endorses his sincerity to aiding others in their fitness goals while also setting a high bar for fitness education.
@@skylermccloud6230 If you think Jeff Quackaliere's mediocre content is anywhere near as useful as the material given out by Sean Nal, or Alec Enkiri, or Barbell Medicine... you need to do more reading. Athlean-X is the very definition of cheap, sixpackshortcuts-style pablum. There's simply no reason to waste your time listening to ol' horseface.
It's hard for someone as honest as Sean to go that far. And it's hard to go there with someone of Jeff's calibre tbh.
I find a lot of value in Jeff's content, just in terms of learning new techniques and recognizing ways to improve form. But that's not a free pass to mislead viewers, and I appreciate the trainers like yourself who call out the clickbaity claims as well.
Jeff is geared towards starters
I really hate to say it but I think Jeff's advise has went down hill when he hired Jesse. The production content went up but quality went down
also stuff like corrective excersises. Fucked my Shoulder up as a kid and he really helped me.
I think apart from the obviously clickbait shit, he has really good things
This was my thought as well. I like to watch a lot of different content since I am getting back into lifting after about a 10 year hiatus. Jeff has a lot of solid videos. Unfortunately, like much of the content out there, sometimes you have to be able to sift through some garbage.
nah.......sean just has envy on jeffs cause he never reached any of his achievements. jeff is higly recognized .... even stalone knows jeff is the best
I followed Jeff’s 22 day plan consecutively for a year and grew my arms by 16 inches
Ur joking right?
@@lesleymnolo5370 obviously he is. It’s impossible to grow ur arms 16 inches in a year, even with hard work and steroids
16 inches haha nice 😂
@@vimalkarthik9655 cut the 6
@@user-jg1de3rn6p I say cut the 16
This is an important video to counter Jeff's video, it does more harm than good when newbies think they're going to get lots of gainz super quick short term.
Steve Shaw made a brilliant response the other day.
Honestly if a newbie followed the 22 day program I’m sure they can grow an inch, them newbie gains are no joke but if you’re already an experienced lifter then no
@@Anthony_L If someone were an absolute beginner and they only trained exclusively arms and had a big caloric surplus, they could add an inch. But it wouldn't be muscle tho.
@@Anthony_L that’s just simply not true. Physiology is much slower than that, but Jeff is preying on those hopes from people that want a quick fix.
Hey I thought you were an athlean x fanboy
Always love hearing how it takes years to build a physic. Helps keep things in perspective. Reminds me to slow down and be patient. Good things do take time.
true
After 12 months of active, intensive training, I can say that you can see a ton of gains provided you have realistic expectations
Slow and steady wins the race. The quick fix leads to quick injuries.
@gardenofnightmare Exactly man. I'm just focused on improving the amount I can move and not my muscle mass. I've been lifting for almost a year now and all my maxes have improved a very nice amount that even I didn't expect.
I trained practically my entire life, with some breaks. Natural HARD training takes years to make big gains. Especially so for females, and anyone who is not genetically gifted. But that is also why I can be proud of every gram of muscle mass and strength. And also why it lasts even if you do end up having a break due to life circumstances of injury. Athlean x is a charlatan.
Jeff's 22 days to better glutes actually helped me significantly towards resolving my imbalances and anterior pelvic tilt, which really helped with lower back pain. I appreciate how he includes corrective workouts with most of programs. I even saw my ass firm up a bit. That being said, I was pretty disappointed by the rest of the 22 day series' clickbaitiness.
I think Jeff excels most at the physical therapy side of things, and that's the content of his that I seek out. He's really helpful for teaching beginners how to reduce risk of injury, find/get rid of imbalances and finding alternative workouts for those who suffer chronic pain.
anterior pelvic tilt isnt linked with lower back pain
yeah jeff does a fantastic job at explaining small nuances to techniques that actually completely changed my game in a lot of areas.
It's really unfortunate that he pulls these weird tricks... obviously he's trying to sell stuff, but why not be honest?
Yes ...while WE AS lifters...try to get better Sean and Jeff as we research seamed to make the most sense...who knows if they DABBLE in testosterone or other ped's but Jeff is a Mets trainer and is only 165lbs...👍
@@jonnovak6856 That's a OLD picture. I was 16 at the time, and shooting in weaver verses in the isosolece stance like I do now.
I like Renaissance Periodization too
To be honest I love Jeff. I still do the 22 days posture training. I never put focus on the 22 days claim. The techniques really helped me as I suffer from neck injury and are now (knock on Wood) much much better from following alot of Jeffs tips.
I feel like its worth mentioning that his winging shoulder blade tips were the complete opposite movements my physical therapist ended up having me do. I can't say he helped me, and if anything his advice made my condition worse (I started with 1 bad shoulder blade and ended up with 2 bad shoulder blades and a bad collar bone after following his video for a few months)
@@HughMansonMD ok. I mix in the posture techniques with different physical therapist techniques. I watch alot of physical therapists on TH-cam. And almost everyone have the same solutions for my issues, and I really can feel that they do me good.
@@HughMansonMD Because you did it wrong.. Don't blame the teacher because you can't follow instructions properly 🤪 Lol
@@drewj128 ah yes, I mistakened the tutorials of doing interior rotation rotator cuff excersices as doing interior rotation rotator cuff excersices. It was only after my real physical therapist had me doing exterior rotation rotator cuff excersices that I realized Jeff was actually just showing us the excersices he didn't want us to do.... what?
@@HughMansonMD Jeff has SINGLE-HANDEDLY fixed my shoulder pain and discomfort, so, I know for a fact, he doesn't give bad advice, and that if you didn't receive the same type of relief, you either did something wrong, or you had a DIFFERENT issue that needed correcting.. Is that so hard for you to comprehend?? Lol 🤦♂️ He never claims that the advice he gives is a one size fix-all technique.. 🤪 You seem like one of the people who completely ruin the review sections on Amazon..
I’m clearly with u on this one. I just don’t get it. Why would he say this. Like he seriously was saying he. An actually fill out ur shirt in 3 weeks.
Just promise us you won't start making bs content when you hit the 11mil subscriber mark lmao
Omg it's coach greg.
I agree sir. Thank you for making the video about it because I was about to follow his advice too until I realized that it's all for views.
@@REALVINERGY he started long before
@@REALVINERGY LOL trust me I’m gonna have people saying I make bullshit information well Before I reach 11 million subscribers I already have people seeing this now. One thing I do is speak the truth and tell you what I think and I don’t invent stories to sell programs
“There’s roughly a 0% chance.”😆 Solid.
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I’m convinced Athlean-X is V-Shred’s dad
Mate I’ve just come across your TH-cam platform and what a breath of fresh air! Real information for realistic results. Keep it up 👍🏻
I love athlean x I’ve benefitted from so many of their videos, but you’re spot on with this video. I was disappointed to see them produce that type of video.
Same here.....
Same
same
jeff care more about money than yoyr pocket at the end of the day, I will continue to watch him but never will I buy anything from him, thanks for the cheese jeff 😁
Jeff is a psychopath. Look into his eyes.
My BRAIN grew 1 full inch after only 22 seconds watching this video 🤯
Jeff wants to know your location :P
I think that's a tumour mate
Actually your bring shrunk you can grow muscle 22 days
@@rohateanonis4657 why do you say that
Man I love your videos! I was once a newbie and when watching Jeff’s videos all it left me was all confused with all his gimmicks, I like that you recommend the basics to workouts
I did follow Athlean-X's routine. Not for 22 days but for around 40 days. In the video he says to focus on only bicep or tricep exercises on those different days. However, he also said to add in these arms exercises to your exisisting routine not necessarily just replace your entire arms workout with these ones displayed in the video. After 40 days my arms went from 13.5 inches to 14.5 inches by adding in his extra arm exercises and continuing my regular arms routines. I think his tip about the pushdown tricep exercise really did make me feel the tricep "burn" much more. I do think his video was clickbait however & I don't think I could have made an inch difference in my biceps in just 22 days.
There isn't much difference between 22 days and 40 days brother. It takes many months or yrs.
It's either you made a mistake in measuring your bicep size previously, or you've probably never done any arms exercises before(or you're just lying). That's all.
@@dharantejav3375 There's no reason for me to lie? I followed the measurement guidelines Athlean-X gave in the video and saved the measurements in a Google doc then compared the size after 40 days. I think starting creatine and being more focused helped my growth & I haven't had the same amount of growth in a short period of time since then. // I had been working out for a while but my form was off and I feel like my triceps exploded while my biceps remained the same lol.
@@JulainSmithiscoolyou were 100% measuring arms at first cold, and after 40 days you measured it after a big pump…
@@deivytrajandefinitely
You can't add an inch to your arms in 40 days sorry bro
I remember when Jeff was the “Gold Standard” and I can’t ever recall anyone calling him out ...
How the mighty have fallen ...
You either die the hero or live long enough to see yourself become the villain
Perhaps his earlier videos were really good... and then they started to become gimmicky.
Fallen ? What do you consider falling ? Getting criticized ? He’s got more subs now than he ever did. I used to watch him, but he made things so much more complicated than they needed to be so i gave up on his content.
@@gariejoyce5263 fallen from the right path. Having more subs doesn't make you more correct
@@xXxHUNG0VERxXx yes Batman
I think he did the 22-inch measurement of his arms to go along with the whole '22 days' series as a joke maybe - but who knows,
It was just to even thing s to present like a gift. He never said his bicep was 22. Some sane men would easily identify his bicep to be around 16 or 17
@Joseph Norm Well that didn`t take much hehe
Hi sean, your videos are very useful, i started my muscle building journey just 4 months ago and always watch your videos for exercise form tutorial and nutrition thanks for the legitimate info u provide to people like me who only have just enough time to workout due to heavy college work and not waste our time like other ppl on the internet, thanks a lot from india 🙏
Was good to watch this video, I've been exercising for a few months now, and started doing things more properly and going harder in the past 3 weeks will only little to show for. My abs feel like they're coming in and I think I've lost a bunch of belly fat and my arms seem slightly bigger but at a glance doesn't look like anything had really changed. Good to hear that I'm likely doing really well and just need to keep at it for a few more months
Tired of the TH-cam fitness drama.
Just show us exercises to put on muscle.
Does anyone still do that?
Not as much as they used to. The majority of these guys just make response vids to athlenx now days. I remember when youtubers actually use to do collaboration vids.
Everyone already knows how to do just that. It's just that the information is boring and people want some new wonderful workout program that isn't really needed. All you have to to do is just deadlift, shoulder press, bench press, pull up and squat.
BonDraper Yup. Jeff has discredited himself, and we get that, but now bashing Athlean X is becoming a way to get cheap views.
skycloudrain Some kind of row, too.
Yes, Jeff at Athlean-X does 🤣
Somewhere Vshred is out there saying: Jeff calm down bro!
LOL
V shred another guy using jeff to make money.
I followed his 22 arms and abs videos and it worked for me perfectly
Proof
If ur a beginner than that isn’t super surprising. You can usually get a lot stronger fast if ur just starting out.
@@sethwilliams8625 stronger? yes, due largely to neuromuscular gains in activation efficiency. Building actual size and increasing strength as a resulting of that increased mass? Physiologically impossible in that short of a time, it simply is not how the body works without supplementation of anabolic steroids.
This is awesome, truthly. Thank you for doing this with you videos. Being honest and realistic with all you say pumps mi confidence. Definitely no bs guide
I'm gonna be honest, I've used TH-cam as my go to source of quality training and nutrition knowledge. I've only been training for a year so I started off with athleanx and did follow some gimmicky stuff but because of channels like yours I've had a much better time setting realistic goals and finding reliable, realistic ways to reach those goals. I don't think I would've reached 15% body fat with good muscle growth had it not been for people like you. Keep doing what you're doing, please.
Virtually any program will get you results as long as that program isn't total crap, and you apply it consistently and bring maximal effort to it. AX-1 is a decent program, and it will get you some good results, especially if you are new (untrained).But it isn't a miracle, game changing protocol -- no such program exists. I've run it a couple of times. I like it, but I've moved on. Jeff has bills to pay, and unfortunately he's turning into a huckster.
@@andrewspitzerYou just have to hit the typical exercises. As long as you are doing some type of benching, squatting, pull downs/pullups, your program is just fine. You just fine tune it based on your body and add in exercises to help with specific things when you see fit.
In all seriousness I managed to put a full inch on my flexed biceps in 3 months once when I was a beginner. But I think I had old muscle that just needed boosting after a long time off to get this, and I've never replicated it, often thinking I'm doing something wrong. I think it was just a perfect combination of things that I fluked, and the more you build, the more you have diminished returns and the harder it gets to gain anything.
Same here. Rockclimber before the covid, took big unwanted 6 months stop due to pandemic, then a finger injury and other 4 months. In the end I started going to the gym and I took back ~7-8 cm of torso in 5-6 weeks just by waking up my lat/upper back from the more than 10 months nap.they took. (I occasionally did some pull-ups etc but with really horrible regularity). Before the pandemic I could do 20 pullup with 20 kg... I'm now back at 20 pullup with 15 kg, but in the mean time I've probably got 1-2 kg of lean mass more than before (12+ months of gym) and I'm not climbing as much as I did before.
Thank you for the honest and realistic advice. Always appreciated!
Thank you for making content. I watched this video and believed everything he said. I found your channel by chance and haven't looked back. Since watching you in a little over 1 month of consistent training (been working out for 2.5 months) I have gained about 5 lbs of muscle and lost about 10 lbs of fat. And I might have gained more than that but I just started tracking based off another of your videos. Thanks again. I can't wait to show you my transformation.
I have been exercising/training for just about a year now, consistently. I can vouch for how long it takes to see some noticeable changes in any given area you focus on.
bro you were speaking directly to me with this ....i literally just watched that athleanx video....and even tho i know its hard to build muscle like that, i still trusted the advice because im a beginner and a big athleanx follower . lol
U can still follow AthleanX. Aside from this one claim he has years of great content on his page. I don't think he does himself a favour when trying to deviate towards those ridiculous claims but aside from that his routines are still great and legit.
@@venntof.9095 Like the 10x10 at 80% 1RM with 4 minute rest periods that most experienced lifters say is impossible? Is that legit? Is that great?
I'd say yes, it's great and legit bullshit!
What I like with Sean is that it's just simple, evidence based. Simple is better, get into your routine, do things right, do your research & be patient.
He's lived long enough to see himself become the villain, sadly
He was villain from the biginning! Full of lies and gimmicks! A true con man
@@nikolatesla4226 exactly , his information before was worse than wut he gives now . He was just lucky that people didn't know any better then
@@user-zk4dv2nx8k ugh I can't stand Jeff anymore I'm sure Alan Roberts is fuming at this video
Underrated comment
he's become the Alphamale of muscles, full of gimmicks and bs
It's still better advice than Greg Doucette telling people to take ephedrin, sleeping pills, cold medicine, and nasal spray. THAT right there is actually disqualifying information for a fitness coach.
I have lost over 40 pounds of fat in six months and for the very first time in my life, I have a six pack at 54 years old. All this thanks to Greg Doucette. I follow his diet and training methods. So far, I prefer to follow Doucette's system, than lifting fake weights and eating carrot cake once a year.
@@rubenluna2495 Greg used to be good but he turned a clout chasing bully recently giving bad information for views. I myself lost about 20 pounds following his earlier advice. He should have just stuck to his original style of making videos.
well ephedrine is a tried and true weight loss aid used by bodybuilders since the 80s to great effect
I personally like the challenges or body workouts from athlean x. I also did the 22days pull up program/ challenge and it worked for me I did 5 more in the end. And it motivated me to visit the gym more often so I think jeff did a great job. But still valid criticism from your side
bro to be honest this is the only coach that i started to subscribe at YT and IG very knowledgeable no BS straight to the point !! i love the way he leads everyone to a right way for working out and specially to a beginner like me !! thanks a lot sean !!! you the best man !!
I have to admit. I used to be a big fan of Athlean X. But I started to realise that he was releasing the same videos. Over and over again. And them came his totally truthful use of "real weights".
Dude yes this is crazy!!! More and more I'm blown away by what Jeff is saying. Honestly for the most part he has great advice but this is just insane and you are so right...I can severely discourage people who don't understand how long it really takes. I would say proper expectations is absolutely VITAL for success. I wish I even had better expectations. I would definitely agree that building an impressive physique is absolutely measured in years! All the best Sean.
Sean, Your all points are valid and phenomenal thanks that you clear all the points, I was working from 6 months with diet but still i am struggling to get an abs what they were showing in their videos, I think to get a proper cuts and pumps you need to spend around 1 - 2 years..thanks once again
Great and straightforward as always!!
Watch the actual video on Jeff's channel the representation in this video is a strawman at best.
1. Athlean-X is doing a video series for different muscle groups with a split routine over 22 days for each part...this video just happens to be on arms.
2. In the original video he mentions several times that beginners may struggle and even highlights the importance of eccentric loading which the viewer may have never done. Obviously he's talking to beginners.
3. He mentions that if someone is frustrated with their arms not growing to set aside exercises that may be fatiguing their biceps/triceps and train them purposefully instead of passively. He was troubleshooting bad program design.
4. At the end of the video Jeff said he would not be surprised if, at the end of 22 days, that a person might even measure 1 inch bigger at the end of the workout. He didn't say they would gain an inch.
Teaching beginners a split routine, eccentric loading, supersets/compound sets, and workout consistency with 48 hours rest between workouts to allow growth.
Yeah...that's a far cry from being a charlatan.
Lots of people in the youtube fitness community talk shit about Jeff, because he isn´t selling anything and does good content. Most of the otzher fitness youtubers just want to sell their bullshit proteinpowder and merch. many of them are just "bros" from the gym who don´t have any clue about the biomechanics and the science of sport. they are just people who train and there is nothing wrong about that but when they just talk shit and maybe harm other people by giving bad advice for doing an exercise, i think that´s irresponsable.
This dude just wants quick clicks by "strawmaning" his way threw the video, constantly repeating himself. this dude here just should go study sport medicine and stop talking absolute garbage.
But nice comment @yew 2oob
oh yeah, the thing about "using light weights" everyone is talking about, when talking about Athlean-X´s videos is so dumb because he isn´t training, he is showing how to do the exercise correctly. he doesn´t need to "show how strong he is" because he is A COACH, he is a professional coach for REAL athletes and not for the clowns that go to the gym to deadlift a few hundret pounds and brag about it. he is a professional, not a amateur.
tbh while i do think the video could have been explained better, i gained a solid inch in my arms, going from 9 inches to 11 inches in just a few short months. i could definitely see how a beginner (like me) would definitely grow an inch. honestly i think that was his original purpose, but didn't think it through enough. the process of growing your muscles depends on many factors, and the reason it takes so long is because you need time to recover. over night your muscles repair, but obviously they aren't gonna grow tremendously. the process happens at a very small level, at least from what i've researched, and that's why it takes so long. i believe the idea of what jeff is talking about is "newbie gains". that would be the inch he's talking about, it seems like.
Just wait til he hears of Rich Piana’s 8 hour workout 😂
I’m 6 months late but it’s okay! The most important thing you’ve said on this is so relevant to looking great and fit. It takes a SIGNIFICANT amount of time and consistency, which requires a high level of discipline. Of course we all can go to gym and eat well. But can you do it every day, 6 days a week, for 2-3 years? It’s difficult to put in the work. But that’s what it takes.
I watch Jeff to get better understanding of exercising, technicks and nutrition. Now I found you and I am glad you put all informations to more realistick frame. THX for your work, happy to sea more vids.
Sean do a video about how Jeff hates high volume workouts. But then makes "perfect x muscle workout" where he suggests you to do 20-30 sets per muscle in only one workout
Clickbait cadaverlier
Great video, Sean! By the way, no one read the small print; a 1-inch increase in arm size... via a pump. In all seriousness, I'm a strong believer in focusing on gains in general rather than targeting specific areas; I suppose it's in line with your advice regarding not having to restructure an entire program for the purpose of zoning in on a particular muscle group. I'd also add that, occasionally, weak points become strong points as a person's body improves overall.
I used to watch a lot of Jeff’s videos, but with Sean I’ve learned tones of real information in just a few videos.
He just forgot to record the last and most important step, which is taking tren.
BRUH!!! I actually did the 22-day workout for arms and increased from 13inches in diameter to 14.2! Say what you want about me whether that's "Impossible" because it actually happened and I'm super hyped because of it.
Was it 1.2 inch of additional fat?
@@anabolicfrenchtoast6014 lmfao
@@anabolicfrenchtoast6014 no, my triceps got more toned and theres a vein that got more predominant in my bicep. Shoot, the skin around my entire arm is tight af too lol so it cant be fat, plus I'm a soccer player, so not much fat to begin with. I also did 22 day beginner pull up video and I went from only 2 pulls ups to 5 using a thick bar. Really happy with my results
And did you train arms before?? If you’ve never trained arms, then yes , you will see some gains.
I will say when I first started training I put about 2 inches of arm size on in about 2 months of shitty home work outs but I have 2 genetically strong parents especially my dad so I'm aware that I likely done this due to a combo of newbie gains and great genetics
Fast becoming one of my favorite YT channels
damn you’re late but better late than never I suppose
Who else is up there for you? Who's your fitness TH-cam Mt. Rushmore?
Dr Mike Isreatel for sure
BTW he has a TON of older videos about actual weightlifting practice and theory. Only his newer stuff is about de-bunking and sense making. I recommend you check them out!
This guys advice has gotten me actual muscle growth over the span of the past 2 years. I’ll be buying something from this guy or finding a way to pay back for the info for sure.
Excellent content
I really enjoy your videos. Thanks for posting.
Hey Sean, been using your video's as a guideline for my workouts and got solid results. That being said, what is your opinion on nucleus overload ?
Thank you for making a video on this. Felt Jeff’s video was silly & irresponsible making absurd claims & guarantees with much higher frequency of focused arm training I would ever recommend doing.
I actually had some dude on Gregs video try and defend Jeff. He told me it's entirely possible for someone who is 6 ft 5 250 build that much muscle on their arms.
@@JustcallmeGnarly22 completely absurd.....and this is why we do what we do to try bringing intelligence, integrity, actual real science & reality based information, and common sense back to the fitness industry. We certainly have our work cut out for us if the biggest channel out there is now also spreading nonsense misinformation like this..... 🤦🏻♂️
Dude fell from grace man. I still follow him when it comes to therapy he still gives good advice. But when it comes building muscle and his programs i rather watch someone else like scott herman. Im fraustrated why jeff became like this. Now i just hope he gets some redemption of some sort
@@jmgonzales7701 Agree. Sadly I feel he’s a victim of running out of topics to cover, and the never ending chase of the favor of the algorithm with click bait topics. I respect his knowledge as a fellow fitness professional, but more & more of his fitness content & advice lately has had me scratching my head at best, & questioning his integrity at worst. I hope he finds his way again too, but it’s not looking good right now.....
@@FitLabb His advice *lately* has you questioning him?
Look up Curlean-X. He shows how hypocritical Jeff really is.
Edit: Here's the link-->th-cam.com/channels/87I9oEAjmDQujnDtyjUX2Q.htmlvideos
Subscribed. I came here after watching the Athlean-X bigger arms in 22 days video. Thank you for saving me time, energy and most likely heartache.
I think the reason why there are no negative comments on that video isn't because only beginners watch him but because to anyone who knows anything about exercising that title is obviously idiotic and they don't click on the video in the first place. I say this from personal experience when I see a video that claims I can gain big chest or big triceps in a month I simply don't click those videos. I used to exercise a lot when I was 14 15 and 16. Later I stopped exercising and now I am again a beginner, but I do have way more than enough experience to know that such titles are total crap. If others are like me it is not surprising that such videos don't get much negative comments as we don't even click on videos which promise such things.
In my personal experience, I have been training for a full year, and initially, my arms clocked in at 14 inches and it fairly recently I have cracked 15 inches clubs, and they still very small on my frame. I will categorize myself with average genetics overall so this is a good time reference for anyone who will be starting there fitness journey. I hope this information helps anyone. Trust me you will get there slowly but steadly.
Nah your genetics are bad
I was blown away when I saw his video too. Insane. Even with steroid use, I don't think you can gain a solid inch of growth in just 22 days of arm training. yet, he claims you can. That statement toward the end made my jaw drop. An inch of solid muscle is an insane amount. My mother is a personal trainer and even with her old knowledge from the late 90's said this to me when I was a young teen when I first started to lift at school. "To get an idea of how much muscle growth you are attaining after each workout and proper rest cycle is probably the equivalent to half to maybe the thickness of a sheet of paper, all around said muscle in question--For a male. And that would be considered good gains. Any promises by anyone else that you can get more just isn't feasible unless you are juiced." But, yet, I'm supposed to believe an inch is attainable in 22 days? That is wild.
The 1 Inch Claim was for "Newbie Gains" - but folks who already had some past training Claim they gained a Half in durning the 22 Day challenge.
And I have a feeling it was mostly Gain in their Triceps - on account a lot of folks undertrain that area when starting out.
It can be done with gear.
@@KaeganThornhillTheCyberRaven The original claim is largely true, but the vast majority of Jeff's viewers are teen noobs who as you say make newbie gains and he's just correcting the fact most of them don't touch their triceps, which comprise 2/3rds of the forearm. It's well documented in the first summer you train as a teen, you add a solid 12-15lbs of lean mass, I can personally testify to that. You'll never replicate that speed again (unless you add 50lbs, layoff a few years and restart). Also, unless you're both a teen and a newcomer you were NEVER going to add an inch in 22 days in the first place, but the genius of the claim is that the sudden gains inspire thousands of bicep boys to become Bi/Tri boys, subscribe and quite a few of them buy his programs.
I find this to be the best and most informative channel here on TH-cam.
No BS. You deserve more praise.
I actually gained strength and visual muscle in the first month of working out and I felt like I noticed small gains after every workout but after my first month that stagnated. And im a teenager so that plays into it.
Sean can you do a video on genetic potential/when to tell if you’re unable to make any more gains for experienced lifters if you haven’t already?
This could be a very clever marketing ploy by AX, every time he posts something beyond the scope of reality all other TH-camr make a video on him and therefore widen his target audience / bring to others attention of his channel. Just a thought, my suspicion could all be BS like the 22day arm booster program lol
By shooting himself in the foot? I unsubscribed from him immediately when I saw the fake weights video by Sean a while back.
@@mohammedkhalil416 AX has some really really good content man, you have to take everyone's advice with a pinch of salt.
I highly recommend AX channel, just like this one.
AX channel helped me out big time with loads of exercise cues that I used to do wrong especially my weak gluteus maximus which was the cause of my bad squatting which I thought was due to having bad knees.
@@abdulkalam-cd4hn I value honesty and integrity, sure he has good physio advice but when and if that is needed the internet is a wonderful place.
I follow others such as Sean and Greg Doucette and don't cling to their every word but I do know there is no malice behind the advice they are giving.
So true but it has the opposite affect on me. I un subscribed to the nonsense.
Recently found Sean's content and it is truly no BS. Keep it up.
I have been in the gym four months now having spent three years recovering from injury , now 65 . Lost 10 lbs, put on noticeable muscle and go 5 days a week. Watched a lot of videos about diet and training technique. This chap Sean takes the biscuit for simplicity ,clarity and coherence. It doesn’t matter the subject, he talks in an objective way and ends with a simple and short conclusion. Very well done. Now part of my daily diet .
love Jeff, he legitimately put me at ease with working out, gave me loads of info and boatloads of no weight exercises. I like him and his buddy. Both are small guys who worked into their build. My build is starting to look like his. I noticed you looked buff as a teenager. I take Jeff seriously. Rather Jeffs build than yours, he is way more cut. His personality seems routed in the desire to help.
Training natty it took me 5 years with no injuries or illnesses to get my arms from 15.5 to 17. I started at a body weighting 165 and hit 17 at 195 at around 15 percent body fat. it’s a really slow process.. love your no bs advice. Intensity builds immensity. My arms were their biggest when I incorporated 20 rep breathing squats or deadlifts into my program just once a week for one set after a couple warmups. I never did more than 6 sets for triceps a week and always trained them after chest. I trained biceps with only 5 sets of work after back. Always made sense to me to avoid injuries and it worked.
you need more protein.
5 years for 1.5"? Could just be genes, but that doesn't sound typical.
@@ciannabrown3373 how long did it take YOU to put the same amount of lean mass on your arms when you started as a beginner?
Great progress man
1.5 in in 5 years, thats rough dawg. the average could achieve that in like 5 months
Saying it HOW IT IS. Love this, every video you post gives so much motivation and information
thanks for keeping it real king 💪
''In a parallel universe where Jeff Cavaliere can curl 135 pounds using REAL WEIGHTS'' dead😂😂😂
I can and his arms are bigger than mine..
I'm glad I unsubbed from him long ago, he works with that bearded dude for years and he can never gain any muscle, so imagine a regular person that follows his books or whatever he sells
@@Sirlants_alot he can cheat curl it he’s done sowith real weights and he is extremely good at weighted chins hence his bicep size in relation to rest of his body . There’s. Reason he called curlean x cause he obsessed with biceps you know the most athletic muscle cause I guess having chicken legs and biceps is what train like an athlete is. He faked strict curls for reps among several other lifts .
@@Sirlants_alot Andrew(24 inches) curl way less than Larry wheels(20inches), arm size is not the correct way to compare who can lift more. You are probably heavier and fatter than Jeff(he is 5% bf, no need to see ya to know you arent that low), thats why you can curl that much and people doubt Jeff.
@@greenrobot5 don’t like Jeff much anymore but if I’m not mistaken the bearded guy has some disorder and can’t really put too much on no matter what training he does
Sean Nal:
The hero we need,
Not who we deserve.
Ahahahah
@@giljorge7479 we are quoting the dark knight lol
i deserve him
More like a crybaby
I did the myo reps for my biceps and triceps workout and my arms have never felt or looked better. Love the straightforward workout advice and no BS like Jeff
Educational, professional, respectful…. Subscribed!
Tho I agree here, really Jeff has consistently said that the 22 day programs are just to get started on discipline. Perhaps he missed it this video. I love your vids Sean and you’re in point with the details Jeff gave in this particular video.
Exactly I have watched many Jeff's video and I know he himself says what Sean is telling here....it's just that you have to watch many videos continuously to get what Jeff is trying to accomplish
AthleanX has transcended to Jake Paul level.
Unfortunately , beginners can't tell that
Worse... Vshred level
@@MegaSolidninja at least v shred is just stupid. Jeff knows he’s fooling the audience. Jeff is worst.
@@rabbigoldbergsilverstein2899 good point
he has always been a clown.I've been saying this for years,even before the fake weight fiasco
I mean I ain't by any means tryin to be badass or anything...but I've been at this since the 90's. I'm not necessarily a newb on this stuff. But Sean dude has this talent for presenting absolutely awesome advice with this insane level of humor. I have been binging on his videos for some and seriously have a bomb time on everyone. Thanks cuz...you're not just the real thing but absolutely hilarious.
How do i block all Athlean-X videos?
Honestly I couldnt even bring myself to watch Jeff's new video because i was pretty sure what the content was gonna be and you just confirmed it lol. Your points are ALL valid and I agree 100%. The last thing the web needs is a new arm training routine. Personally the best arm gains i ever made were when i ditched all direct arm training...seems counterintuitive and of course goes against everything in the BBing mags and sociable media but when one actually thinks about how much work their arms are getting between back, chest, and shoulder training it is quite logical indeed. i still remember the skinny stick figure guys hogging the squat rack in the gym doing set after set after set of barbell curls while neglecting leg training entirely. *sigh* what can ya do?
Watched a lot of athlean x when I started out, a year and a half later I’m glad I’ve learned
Thanks for being the voice of reason and evidence; its been tricky navigating so many opinions on fitness. My main lesson has been "Try it" and experiment
I am so glad to be subscribed to Sean Nalenwanyj. He calls out crap when he sees it. He is one of the few fitness you tubers I trust.
I can't remember the last time I applied something new from Jeff's video. He's either putting out content that doesn't work like the arm advice or he's repeating content that he's done in the past.
There are only SO ... MANY ... EXERCISES ...
So yeah, he has to keep saying the same thing 1000x a different way, because nobody wants to hear "Eat right, work out hard, be patient" they want to hear "EASY GAINS! FAST!"
It’s hard to keep putting out quality content, but Jeff knows better. It’s sad to see the direction his channel is taking. Fortunately, there are many of us who are happy to provide quality information. Thank you, Sean, for keeping things simple and honest.
Great job
Thanks for giving it to us straight Sean!
If you're wondering why the comment section doesn't question his claims, it's because Athlean-X literally looks through 1000s of comments to block those who don't praise him.
Talk about a fragile ego.
I figured he must have someone going through deleting all negative comments or have an algorithm for it because you never see one...
Really? I thought it was only with the fake weights stuff
@@ianwilliams8873 i just posted one there. I am curious to see if they will delete it
The more you call him out the worse he acts. Its like watching a 12 year old boy try to run a 10million sub TH-cam channel!
@@pavelandonov3345 Please give an update! I'm curious to see if it gets deleted.
As much as I like Jeff, I’ll give it to ya. You make sense. Your last speech, while tough, is fair.
I followed the 22 day bicep program and gained 1/2 inch . I follow both of your channels and find that you both provide valuable info. He does say in the video that you can incorporate the bicep workout into your existing routine ( which I did) .
Time and again Jeff has been stressing in his 22 days series that 22 days is the time required to build a habit... So the arms are going to be wider with this routine
Does anyone create videos where they show actual workouts instead of Little girls drama?
Thank you so much 🙏 The best!
Ur advices have been very helpful and realistic.
Athean-X going full V-Shred on this one.
he always was
Well said Sean. I love your honesty. 22 days is a ridiculously small period of time to see any significant change in muscle size
Thanks for this.
The Athlean X program was good for me, I’ve lost a crap ton of weight, learned things I would have never thought to have done in the gym. I too am a beginner and the things Jeff says is completely convincing. A lot of it works, sure but why be deceiving? Thank you for being upfront and honest.
Everything works for beginners.
I wish I had a Sean Nalewany level expert for every realm of life I wanted to improve. Completely honest, efficient, no hype, thorough but simple enough for anyone to understand, thoughtful, and funny too. Keep it up!
I feel like after Jeff shot his reputation with the fake weight thing he's stopped trying to come off as a respectable coach and is just turning into Mike Chang to get more views. He's always said dumb shit but now he's not even trying to hide it.
It doesn't really matter if he uses fake weights, every program I did was effective and They came from Jeff
@@hereraherera1297 Oh but it does mate
@@hereraherera1297 This is the mindset a lot of his fans have, and while I don't think you're braindead or anything I strongly disagree with it. If he used fake weights, and then tried to cover it up, he clearly has no problem deliberately lying to his audience, and if he'll try to trick you just for an ego trip who's to say he won't lie to you when money is on the line (such as getting views from making unrealistic promises about how fast your arms can grow)? Sadly, the industry is a slippery slope and there is a lot more cash to be made in peddling shitty WODs than actual quality information, and I don't trust a liar to choose the noble path and prioritize his audience's fitness goals over financial gains. If you find his workouts effective, then by all means, let the gains speak for themselves. However, I urge you to take what he says with a grain of salt as this is not the first time he's put bad information out there.
Also I have no idea what level of fitness you are at but do keep in mind if you are a beginner that just about every program you do will be effective.
@@Dinoenthusiastguy I'm a novice to body building so can you recommend me at least 3 sources of real information, for me nowadays there's a lot of guys talking about the right way, even at the gym I don't see unified recommendations, every guy seems to have its own truth. At least I want to have a good and solid start point
@@iamanderson I'm far more interested in strength training than I am bodybuilding (I'm from a martial arts background), so unfortunately I don't really know what the best starting materials for that are, but Jeff Nippard and Jeremy Ethier both seem to have really good stuff. Shredded Sports Science also has some great info (although not really bodybuilding specific). Elliot Hulse's "5 Principles of Muscle Building" is also a good starting point (although the man's a nutjob so I definitely don't recommend his other content). Hopefully some more experienced bodybuilders can drop their recommendations.
For strength training, if you're interested, my go-tos are Squat University, Pavel Tsatsouline, and Dan John. For back pain and core training I'd recommend looking into the work of Dr. Stuart McGill. Hope this helps!
After watching your videos, I've been in the best shape I've ever been opposed to killing myself on a non-trackable, unprogressive Athlean X routine, I should have realised this from my last mistake when I was 19-21. I was always referencing his workouts to help me get into an adequate physique and I'd see little to no progress, his motto "train like an athlete to look like an athlete" was very self critique inducing to me. I appreciate your help Sean, you put me on a right track to success and made bodybuilding even fun for me again. I've now deleted all Athlean X's videos as it's the ultimate deception after how much time I've committed for him.
Hey Sean, hope you are still providing the guidance through the link you have pinned here. I reached out to you through the form and looking forward to hear from you.
7:02 "roughly a-zero?" Coach Greg's ears just perked up 🤣