Ark Encounter Protest (feat. Seth Andrews and AronRa) - (Ken) Ham & AiG News
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- Ken Ham and his team have a bi-weekly "news" show, reacting to the news stories of the day from a Christian young-earth creation perspective from the Answers in Genesis staff at his Creation Museum.
Seth Andrews (from The Thinking Atheist), AronRa and I join Ken Ham, Dr. Georgia Purdom, and Bodie Hodge as they discuss the the second anniversary of the Ark Encounter, Mini Neanderthal Brains, Churchgoers Stick Around for Theology, Not Music or Preachers and more in this episode of Answers News hosted in front of a live audience at the Creation Museum.
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Great video Paul 👌🏼 Glad I could help with some of the protest videos!
God Is Not Good terrible name. Why bring politics into a fun place such as TH-cam. Jeez. Everyone's entitled to their own beliefs. Christians, Jews, Jehovah witnesses, and Mormons all pay taxes too. They deserve some kind of representation.
Easton Thurman This has to be a joke 😂😂 If not, I would invite you to conduct some more research regarding who is rewarded in our current governmental system between the religious and the nonreligious
Why would you have that name? God IS good! He is Love! He is just. Am curious why you hold such a point of view?
Easton Thurman You are just having a temper tantrum and not considering on defending your opinion and beliefs while considering others opinions and beliefs.
thewanderandhiscomp whoever you are I didn't ask you . Clearly though you have similar views showing absolute contempt for the Bible and Jesus Christ.
I don t know why you hold such hatred to God, but it can't be because you have done in-depth study if the Bible. I can assure you proper exegesis of scripture read in context and with applied understanding you would also be convinced that the Bible is NOT as you so vaguely described. The WORD OF GOD is not something to lightly push aside. YOU are accountable to its words, like a contract signed by someone else over you, you cannot NOT be accountable to God's LAWS .It's non negotiable, you like myself are accountable for our lives unto God and how we lived according TO his Word as His Word states all ha e sinned and all need to be saved through faith in Jesus Christ, the big question of WHY is a subject more important than anything else you will learn anywhere else.
I once worked in a hog semen processing lab. The barn that housed the boars had to have its own ventilation system. One night it failed. They lost about half their animals and one worker almost died because he went into the barn before he realized the fans weren't working. He passed out and another worker had to put on a respirator and go in after him. This took place in the space of 12 hours.
Wow that is astonishing!
Great comment !
Weirdest sentence I've read in a while, nice
That's wild
Did it have 2 boars? Or an entire barn?
My husband and I were raised Roman Catholic. We left that church in 1992 and we jumped around going to 5 different Protestant churches seeking the truth, with each church being more liberal. We finally admitted that there is no truth in religion and at the age of 68 for me and 70 for my husband ,we are atheists. So, it's never too late.
Joan Borrelli
Congratulations how does it feel now?
Who else lost their shit when aron said “ i’ve been here before I should’ve known that” XD
Will Parkinson 😡 I hope nobody did! The stink would knock you down . . . PS. Do you know where the nearest toilet is, as you seem very familiar with excrement. Just a passing thought . . .
Sir Meow The Library Cat Well what you hope for is completely irrelevant both me and several other people apparently found that hilarious your opinions don’t concern me the thing is you’re clearly an irrational and in-raged individual who got that upset over a simple joke I’m just gonna block you because I don’t feel like getting into an argument with a moron bye
Two years later and it's still hilarious.
@@theomnidegenerate5236 *enraged
Some may not like 'the form of child abuse' claim but Seth is right. The damage can be profound. From ignorance to extreme repression and everything in between.
not so much the lying, but the inundation in lies, the persistence in making those lies stick, and the sheer repercussions later in life. If you could flip a switch in someone's head and make them wholly believe in the truth, and disregard every lie they've ever been told, it would stop being child abuse. But you can't, and so it is.
@Marilyn Newman hahahah, nice!
@Marilyn Newman 🤣🤣🤣🤣
@Marilyn Newman here, have some delayed standing ovation from the comments section 👏👏👏
You don’t want to go there. Child abuse? Really with all the evil crap going on with the progressive left today? It’s not even comparable.
My mom was a Jehovah's Witness, and my dad is an atheist. As a boy, I knocked on doors for no reason at all.
respect : )
How did that work? Was she shunned by her Kingdom Hall?
I'm thinking that it is a clever joke High Zenburgh (what a great alias) resolve this dispute!
😂😂🤪🤪🤪
Knock knock
Person answers the door: why are you here?
Atheist: I don't know either.
I intend to visit the Ark Encounter; just as soon as they sail it to Australia.
Some Dutchman built an ark that sailed to visit Dutch cities...on a barge that is...
10:20 I only contest calling it "genocide", that generally means targeting a specific race or whatnot. *Omnicide* would be more accurate. Just "screw it, kill everything. Yes, even the kittens. Especially the kittens. Those sinful, sinful kittens."
There's that level of callous indifference to who dies. Like Thanos, but thousands of times worse.
"Sinful Kittens" sounds like the title for a movie of specific genre.
Best Paulogia intro ever!!! That Aron and Seth protest floored me.
"I've been here before, I shoulda known that." - AronRa
I hope he never starts locking his door!
You guys should come over and protest at my place. I have lots of board games!
Thanks all three of you are keeping me strong in my recovery from religion. it is hard to leave and at times I feel the urge to go back. So I just remember dumbo's magic feather and press on in the facts. Thanks again
Ultimately what matters is that you pursue the truth. I'd also recommend on reading up on logical fallacies, which proved to be a bafflingly effective inoculation against creationist arguments. Like "I have not seen a single creationist argument that did not use at least one of these" effective. yourlogicalfallacyis.com/
edit: In fact, I went and read through the list again out of curiosity, *I have seen 100% of these on that website used by creationists.* Every single one. And I've only been reading their stuff a few years. (first out of my mom recommending it to me when I was christian, then to point out to my mom how she needs to throw those darn things in a dumpster and stop buying them)
Nepocrates it must be quite scary to grow up in fundamentalism. I was lucky enough to never have been exposed to the likes of Ken Ham and such; I never had any problems with science, evolution and my faith. I'm still religious. I have a feeling this kind of conflict is more of a North American thing, given all these organizations...
I left because of disagreements with doctrine (I'm gay).
I didn't become an atheist until 12 years later when I realized that there was no evidence for the exodus which just shattered my ability to believe any of it anymore.
I became an Anti-Theist because I really took an objective look at American history, and not only the hypocrisy, but the horrendous things that the Christians have done to the Native American tribes, African Americans, and the LGBT community. So much needless suffering for such pathetic reasons.
Evaluating human history myself, I'm mostly with you. Sure, humans would still find reasons to hate and fight each other, but without religion, we'd have one less reason to, and the reason that people are least likely to compromise on without dying.
I'm more a fan of Jacklyn Glen's lyrics: "Time to get down on my knees and start pleasin' Jesus!"
Aurora Echoes Anti Theists are sad little bitches. No one's religion affects you
You know I don't hate people that are gay now as much as I used.
One reason why I followed the church thing but now I see the light is all these religions came from ancient cultures around the world. A lot in genesis is very close to Sumerian myth of creation.
David Bauler people say Christian are mean and disrespectful. You just disrespected them with that discussing comment. Your no better than the people you deem evil. Way to represent your atheism.
I laughed harder than I should have when he said, "I've been here before, I should've known that." I'm still laughing about it 😂
Despite looking like a self-described Disney-Klingon movie villain, he does have a sense of humour ;)
I'm literally sick to my stomach thinking Ham speaks to thousands of young people for an hour and a half sessions, impacting young minds. Like knowing the amount of work we have to 'undo' as a result of his influence. Ham is a hole in the proverbial dam, and all we can do is plug holes as they reveal themselves.
I'm with you. There's another video that features Eric Hovind spewing creationist crap to an audience of children; I had to skip it, I couldn't stomach it. It makes me feel so sad and disgusted that this is considered acceptable.
I genuinely can't imagine how hard it is for someone who has been indoctrinated into that as a child, when they reach the realisation as an adult, that everything they thought they knew about the world is wrong.
I really can't. It has got to be terrifying and painful to work through. JFC. I feel ill thinking about it.
Quite the ironic comment, I hope that you are not spending hours talking to young people about any of your beliefs that those who believe on Christ will have to spend time undoing that information.
@@salgar1234 I spend every opportunity I get turning people toward free thought and away from the emotional, mental and physical torture and backwards thinking religion forces on people.
@@jonnysee2948 from your statement it does sound as you have not experienced the faith of a true believer who is saved. One who is biblically literate, one who thinks, who is articulate and quite sound. Is this true? God has chosen to use sinful, imperfect people to bring his message of eternal hope and salvation. Because people are flawed and sinful, though saved and being sanctified, they are (I am), still fallen and act in the flesh. Only God is perfect and we humans following salvation will only be fully free of sin when Christ returns and we are in his eternal presence. No coercion or brain washing in my journey now. Sure there absolutely are false teachers in the ‘church’ who set themselves up for selfish gain and use all manner of manipulation tactics to get money and adulation to fill their narcissistic hearts. When it is the Written Word of God faithfully read, studied, and mined to find God and Christ, then you will find sound and intelligent believers.
@@salgar1234 where was god when his servant (priest) was raping me as a child and my father letting him do it to me? When I cried and begged for mercy? As a kid…
Perhaps there’s a good reason it happened to me and many other kids and continues to happen all over the world? Maybe there’s a lesson there that I couldn’t learn another way? Maybe it’s just “His way.” Perhaps that religion is just used for power and control. A means of collecting tax free money? Or anything/everything like that.🤔
Truth is, you don’t know me, my story, my experience. I still believed after it all happened to me, bc people told me things like you just did (see previous message you sent). Maybe your faith made you blind, maybe it made you insensitive. Ever wonder why ANYONE would ask you to believe something else based on faith alone?
I personally don’t care what you believe or don’t. But there’s another human on the other side of this message, and one that cares enough to be real and vulnerable with you, without demanding anything from you or even knowing you. Think about that next time you close your eyes and ask for something from someone you’ve never met or seen.
"It's a form of Child abuse to teach this [crap] to children. ... our children deserve much better; we all deserve much better." - Seth Andrews
Exactly
I also used to Believe, then i read the bible.
Ah, another fellow recovering religioholic! 😀
I think, therefore no Ham.---Heyseus the Mildly Irate.
It's always bugged me since recovering from religion. They tell you that you have to *say* you believe the whole book 100% when you've only read maybe 6 stories out of it, and all of those in modified forms that they strip all the questionable "non kid friendly" stuff out of. It's very much _signing a contract you haven't read._
Have you actually studied scripture properly? I mean not from an atheist website that has no clue how to do any proper exegesis?
@@TheJiminiflix yes, I have. I still do. But "scripture" is only one reason I am anti-theist. There are dozens more. Dishonesty is rampant with theists.
"I have been here before I should have known that!"
That was a pretty pretty guud joke.
GreatgoatonFire aron master of comedy.
lol, for a second I was afraid they were going to forget that, and then Aron said that :)
He didn't remember G-man, so it makes the joke even better.
Whenever believes in the Lord Jesus Christ shall not perish but have everlasting life. Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand! Jesus is returning to judge the living and the dead! Repent for the kingdom of God is at hand!
@@jakemacory6035 Maybe JC should repent for creating a world full of suffering, for creating Hell a even worse place to punish the most nonsensical "crime" in history and worst of all not being as cool and bomb finding as JC Denton.
Genesis 6:14 KHV (Ken Ham Version):
Make thee an ark of gopher wood _and steel;_ rooms shalt thou make in the ark, _whilst thou prepareth the following: thou shalt get some hydrogen fluoride gas and combine it chemically with chloroform. go forth and heat the product to between 550°C and 750°C. then thou shalt polimerizeth that and shalt pitch the ark within and without with that._
either that, or he can't explain why his ark is coated with teflon instead of pitch.
ROFLMAO! That should be the #1 comment pinned at the top!
Chris Vellner
Indeed. #Topcom
Amen brother Che...
@ che zus... and get your supplies at Home Depot and put it all on a credit card.
Lies... Lies.... Ken Ham does not conform to the evils of Celsius, only fahrenheit will work in the KHE!!!
Sooooorryyyy....
Paul your opening song is to catching. It stays in my head for days.
Dustin Mccollum I sing it making breakfast
I can't figure out the lyrics. can you help me? It sounds like:
Ham and eggs
Ham and eggs
flip it, flop it, flip it, flop it
Ham and eggs
It's the "flip it flop it" part I'm not sure about.
Yes! It’s an ear-worm. I find myself humming it all day long.
My kids love it lol
As a child i was made to read the bible. As a 7yr old i believed i was not understanding what it meant as opposed to what it said. So at 21yrs old i reread it. Then again about 6 yrs ago to confirm with me, myself, and I. We all agreed it was very contradictory, racist, incestuous and utterly ridiculous.
Glad you could see clearly, Nunya.
Glad that you got out of it like I did. My story is similar: I was "saved" at the age of 4 and my grandmother manipulated my cousins and I to get baptized when I was 14. I started getting disillusioned at about age 18 when my church imploded and I started church surfing. At 20 I finally lost enough of my religion to finally lose my virginity out of wedlock (gasp... I know, right? I heard that I was going to hell from my grandmother and my dad). After 9/11, when I was 21, I did a full, complete reading of the bible in earnest and started my turn to rationality. I'd still go on to get confirmed in the Episcopal church so that I could get married and it wasn't until about a few years ago when I finally ditched religion.
It was a long, hard road.
Nunya Biznez
“...very contradictory, racist, incestuous and utterly ridiculous.”
Hmm. That is how I view evolution.
Diesel Jester, the day 9/11 became synonymous with religiously sanctioned and islamic government condoned mass murder, I was 21 yrs old and living in Iwakuni Japan. About 2am my entire world exploded as 3,200 US Marines bellowed out, "WE'RE GOING WAR MOTHERFUCKERS" That is when I began my 2nd read thru of the King James Version of the Bible. 2 yrs later, in one of saddam's palaces Al Hilla, Iraq, ancient Babylon, seeing all of Saddam's restoration projects and walking on 6,000 year old bricked roads. Thats when i realized that we are still fighting over the same soil, for the same reasons and all the shit my Marines and i had to see, do, hear, and can never forget. All made me think if there is a god, one as described by sunday morning preachers, their bible, the torah, and the qur'an, he would haved wiped humanity, his failed creations cleanly from this amazing blue marble we all share. In 2006 and 2007 i did my 3rd read thru after we got orders cut to go back to IQ. 2 weeks into my 2nd combat tour i tossed that book into the Euphrates after seeing what arabic muslims did to arabic christians and what those christians did to the muslims. Why would anyone want to worship some thing or some one that gets off to his creations painting Earth with each others blood?
Nunya Biznez
Sounds like SIN?
That is human nature and what we need deliverance from. Ourselves.
Atheist rulers such as Stalin, Pol Pot, & Mao were such humanitarians.
Not to mention the blood shed we have done in retaliation. Look up the number of Iraqi casualties caused by us since 1990. I have personally witnessed the 7 mile destruction of Sadaams forces exiting Kuwait. US graffiti on most of the equipment.
When Aron starting saying "are you mammal" (about 35 minutes in) it reminded me of an ex-girlfriend. She was home schooled and refused to accept that humans are mammals. That mad me really sad for her and highly angry at her parents.
at least you were angry at the right ppl. She can't help her education.
I went to a christian school, and in the seventh grade I got ridiculed for thinking that humans are mammals
Hell, I went to a church one time that they didn't think that humans were animals because of that one line in the bible that separates humans from animals. It's in the first couple of chapters in Genesis if I recall off the top of my head. Either way, it was jaw droopingly stupid to me and I didn't stick around long.
I went to school and we were all jealous of the Jehovah witness, because they didn't have to go to the boring assemblies.
Everyone understood that we are mammals though.....
Diesel Jester
And the same people who refuse to accept humans as mammals because of the Bible totally ignore the verses (allegedly) written by Salomon where he say humans isn't different from animals.
And he is supposed to be the wisest guy ever, according to the Bible.
But of course, that is not a contradiction because.... reasons.
I can't wait to see AronRa's presentation
OH YES!
The protest chant: "I won't give 2 bits for your cubits!". That's brilliant, I'll have to remember that one.
think AronRa is the me I wish I was lol
I'm another huge guy (6'10") and an atheist and excited by science and the beauty of this world he is one of my heroes
Keep up the great fight guys, these lies need to be challenged at every opportunity 👍
I was saved from Christian fundamentalism by finding a copy of Isaac Asimov's book, Inside the Atom, in my church school library. It started me down a road of asking questions, rather than accepting dogma. The believers have plenty of atmosphere. We who are skeptical need to bring in some fresh air.
Something tells me that you would have found your way out without that book.
Oh, that is one nice book indeed. May I suggest Asimov's annotated guide to almost all holy books too? :3
I've read them--Asimov is always excellent.
I checked out his Guide to the Bible at age thirteen, and it was while reading it that my parents found out that I'd lost belief in their religion. Our relationship sank that day, and I can't say I'm sorry about that.
What I want to know is, how did that book happen to be in the library of a church school?
Thank you, and RIP Dr.
Asimov... who, had he been a little bit more photogenic, might have beaten Dr.Sagan to the punch with his own version of "Cosmos".
Dr.Sagan RIP, far too early.
uh oh...you brought out the "A" team.
POPPA SMURF *A-Team theme blares up* :3
A for atheist.
What is making America's children educational scores plummet?
Ken Ham!
I think Aron has the best answer to teaching the controversy in an older video:
Teach the evidence that debunks all their junk
Sup Paul...Interesting video. Fun fact: at 12:30 Aaron Ra starts talking about Hyde Park in London. That's where we get the phrase " Get on your soapbox" from. Back in the day, people would literally bring soapboxes to the park as make-shift podiums!! Lol. True story.
As far as i know, they got some park officer who is to get someone off the soapbox if they are too loud (megaphones) or not let others do their fair share.
These two are always great together! I'm hoping for another Unholy Trinity tour soon with Matt.
Rewatching this because it's my favorite of all your episodes.
I was the youngest child in a family who had basically said "fuck it" to religious education, by the time I came around. One day, I picked up my brother's Children's Story Bible, and it was so bizarre, especially the Noah and Jezebel stories, it cured me of religion for life.
Aron is less threatening in Cartoon form lol I really enjoy these video's:)
Flintstones. Awesome.
sorry but no, i'm more of a jetsons fan...
Always nice to stumble on AronRa.
Memo to me; If Aron and Seth are involved, I need to not drink coffee as it burns the nose when I laugh. XD
LOL. True, that. :)
I finished my drink before watching this video
I was glad lol
Wish you were there. Ken knew we were there. I went to the creation museum the day before and heard him speak for an hour. He knew we were there. He hesitated telling his audience about us, but he finally did.
Feathered dinosaurs are majestic.
This was beautiful! Thank you so much for doing this and having on these wonderful guests!
Seth, I didn't find you until later. Paulogia and Aron, I was already starting to "wake up" when I found you, but you made it much easier. Thanks!
I really want one of you guys to ask Ken Ham, "What has convinced you that the Bible is the true word of God?"
This crew is the trifecta!! Thank you for this conversation!!!
Hey I'm in this one!!! I love my shirt!!!!
Shannon Q , i guess we are lucky here in aussie land, even though we have creationist churches and most of our goverments people are going to say they are christians, we don't have to protest and fight for the ideals of a rational and scientific based society. ( well except for the promotion of the delouf model in law but thats another fight). The worst we have is hillsong church, but they are not science deniers, but still money grabbers while giving back a great youth group example for personal responsibility.
It's no wonder ken left here to gain sucsess in merica because his methods would not work here. Or he is playing percentage over their .
And yes it took a second view, but is a great shirt, ( and Paul is a lucky man 😙)
That was you? I thought that was Aron!
Shannon Q - u r funny!!
i am from a country that still have state christianity .
Nothing is as effective to drive people to be atheist than that .
6 years christianity and its history in school ... its always funny when someone so called christian from USA try to start arguing whats in bible ... they have no clue , its like they never have even read a line from bible .
You are the "Fool"?
Aron Ra's shirt also was wonderfully chosen... Paul has done good (or you have prompted him amazingly well! :D)
Thanks for posting these. It’s important.
New sub earned! A great interview with two of my favorite people.
Keep on rocking, dude.
Aron is a hero for Reason. His videos are brilliant.
This was a wonderful video, I loved it! Thank you.
This was fantastic. Love all three of you, and listening to you guys bounce off each other was seriously awesome. Aron’s videos especially have been there since the beginning of my journey from gullible believer to skeptical Atheist; but all three of you have impacted me hugely. I appreciate everything you guys do to bring truth and clear thinking to more people everyday. Keep it up! ❤️❤️
Great update. Keep up the good work and continue the education.
I’m sorry but I am 63 yrs old. I was raised Catholic, went through Catholic schools. As an older adult I find myself searching for truth now more than ever. I am now an atheist however leaving religion and searching for my truth has only occurred over the last 3 years or so. I believe there are more of us “old” people breaking out of that mold we were raised in than you think.
I'm glad you found your way out of the maze.
You three are literally the reason I'm an atheist now. THANK YOU
For me it was GMSkeptic. So thankful for the skeptical atheist community!
Thx for all the great content! You all are awesome.
You only need Matt Dillahunty, and this is a Ham and AiGs Atheist Dream Team. :3 Amazing work!
Letrune Inedil
Check Paul's vid from last week for Matt.
the new 4 horsemen
Stephanie Cuellar i saw it, it was magical. :3 I mostly meant here, all four together...
if Aronra represents you as an atheist. I'd guess you go in public with a bag over your head in shame. If you actually fact check Aron(which I know none of his followers do. They have faith he's right.) you will see he's not correct on a lot of what he says.and most of what he says is a misconception or a slightly bent version of the truth to sell his "truth". Seriously, you guys will eat anything Ra tells you as truth. And boastfully proclaim your free thinking at the same time.
Jesse Weedon ad1 - no, he is correct on the science more often than not. Can you please provide me an example where he is not? I am not interested in other parts as I am in a different culture.
Ad2 - you probably have the assumption that I am in the USA. I got to tell, no, I am not, and
Ad3 - i only had made a comment regarding the Ham and Aigs news segment. The entire point was a little bit of giggle.
So I presume we can agree that the entire thing is not going to be a wave in my cup of water? :3
Ah and I am not needing anyone representing me as an atheist, because, well... How do you know what I am believing in? :3
The mental gymnastics believers do too justify their belief is insane. I know because I did.
Great show as always Paul!
So can't wait for Aron's lecture.
All three of you are so awesome never change
Nice! It was good to be "in the know" about this one, being one of the few there to hear Shannon's spoilers. :)
Chaosism lol I'm a well kept secret 😉🤣
Shannon Q
Ha! But of course I assume _some_ secrets are safe. :)
Soon, you'll be more famous than Paulogia!
or already...
Paulogia
Well, I didn't want to paint such a bleak scenario for you, there. But yeah... Shannon will take over the TH-cams.
Seth's description of Ken was missing something, millionaire. Ken plays that role as a job, and an insanely well paying job it is.
Excellent video! Thanks for taking the trouble to produce these!
you're welcome, Owen. thanks for watching.
LoL @ that intro. Well done, dude. And congrats on getting both AronRa AND Seth Andrews on a single video.
The low quality paint drawings are brilliant.
you do excellent work keep it up greetings from australia
Awesome job Paul.
42 minutes of you AronRa & Seth = awesome. You've been spoiling us lately.
Loved it. You know how to have fun while doing this serious stuff.
this was awesome!!!!
thanks, Dominick
I agree. I couldn't believe it when BOTH Seth and Aron protested their way onto Paulogia! Awesome.
You are welcome:)
Aron: I've been here before, I should have known that.
😂
Love the free flow of this show. Aron and Seth riffing off each other
Great video, excellent.
I believe that Ken Ham is genuine in his beliefs and assertions, including everything he claims about evolution, human ancestry, and so on. I do not believe that he's _deliberately_ and _consciously_ lying in order to deceive his audience. I do not believe that inside his head he's thinking "I know that what I'm saying is incorrect and a lie, but I'll say it anyway in order to fool my followers and hide the truth from them".
What I think is happening inside his head is that he has, over the years, and with copious amount of indoctrination (both self-indoctrination and indoctrination by others), built a mental barrier that rejects arguments when they don't align with his strongly-held beliefs. Whenever an argument is dangerously close to making sense to him and there's even a microscopic chance that it's going to cause him to doubt his own belief about the matter, his indoctrination automatically shuts the argument down and rejects it without allowing himself to think about it any further. His brain shoves all those thoughts, all those arguments aside, and his brain refuses to think about them, much less accept them.
In the same vein, whenever someone makes a claim that he likes, or he himself comes up with a claim he likes, he conversely accepts it easily, without question, without skepticism, without even trying to find out if it's actually true. Thus he starts believing that claim, and teaching it to others.
Of course he does all this in a manner that sound convincing to his audience. He's deluded, and he has built-in mental barriers, but he's not a fool. He doesn't say things that sound stupid to his target audience. He knows what his target audience will accept, and what would sound stupid. He carefully selects what he says, and what he believes, to sound convincing to himself, to his peers, and his target audience.
Thumbs up for the effort. I believe Creationists are charlatan hoaxer cheats selling $30 books.
Wow! That was quite a READ MORE.
It sounds like you are describing someone with Stockholm Syndrome. If it were "depression", then Ken has already made it through the "bargaining-phase".(If-yah know-what-I-mean) But tell me, Have you noticed, people, with the same mind-set as Ham, will refer to DOUBT, as though it were a "belief"??
Chris Vellner
That's really dumb, doubt isn't an belief.
*I think he's lying.* If he actually believed the crap that came out of his mouth, he would have built a *full boat* rather than a vaguely boat-shaped building, *not used steel reinforcements* , and *filled it with animals as a zoo.* Because he would, naturally, believe such things would be trivially easy for him to do.
"He doesn't say things that sound stupid to his target audience" only because the target audience is brainwashed to one central claim that makes all stupid claims sound sane: "GOD SAYS IT, I BELIEVE IT, THAT SETTLES IT" in his own words that he teaches to children. It allows him to make out the entire world to be one enormous conspiracy, orchestrated by either God, Satan, or Big Science (which is of course orchestrated by Satan). Dinosaur bones being ancient? Artificially aged by god! Or by Satan! Or by science intentionally hiding the TRUE dates! Surely one of those!
It's the exact same tactics I see with flat earth conspiracists, but when you first assert the magical god who can do ANYTHING for ANY reason, then, by consequence, *ANYTHING* will sound reasonable.
But, if talking to religious people has taught me anything, it's that it is *very* hard to distinguish between a liar and a deluded person, because all con artists attempt to masquerade as the latter, and can even eventually trick their own brain into believing the lies (which fools polygraph tests).
It is possible for a deeply indoctrinated person to shove aside thoughts like "it wouldn't actually be possible to build a boat of that size with wood only, and capable of floating in water". He just doesn't want to think about it, and if directly asked, he will immediately make up rationalizations and excuses. This does make him dishonest, but not necessarily _deliberately_ so. I don't think he's thinking inside his head _"yeah, all this is just a big sham to make me rich, and I don't care; haha, all those fools paying me big money for this BS. People are so gullible and easy to exploit. Losers."_
I think he's being genuine, but just fooling and deluding himself with an enormous amount of rationalizations and sophistry.
The Unholy Trinity here with Paulo playing the role of Matthew Dillahunty today!
Can't wait to see Aron's lecture!
Great conversation; and super production of it.
I was there.
I suppose that leaves Ham with nothing to ask you.
How the hell do you get so many awesome people?! I'm jealous. Can I like... hang out with you? I want to get some of your awesome through osmosis!😂
purplellama darn, I am not awesome then? :/
My wife belongs to a Lutheran church (ELCA) that was founded in 1958 (her parents were founding members). The membership peaked sometime in the 1990s and has been on a decline ever since. It occurred to me that their organization is essentially dying. I mentioned this to my wife and one of the pastors and asked if they considered treating it as such and come to terms with the idea that their church will die at some point. Why fight it? I didn't go so far as to make it a gathering place for atheist events 😈
Wow!!! My three favorite guys! Awesome way to wake up :)
Excellent. When confronted by ignorant religioners I recommend they read their own text and research it's history and context. If they do that they are likely to realise the problems. Didn't know that Asimov had made that comment but his writing about the Bible (while not brilliant) is useful in understanding it's errors.
"its" errors.
The possessive doesn't need an apostrophe, only the contraction for "it is".
Douglas Well thank you good sir.
The problem here is most Christians will not read anything to complement the bible's history.....I have tried many times to get people who wave the bible at me and want me to read it. By telling them to read it but this time to look up what they read with actual research. There are little markers next to words and verses that lead to definitions and explanations in most bibles.....I tell them research it through history find out exactly why Hebrews did a thing and why. This happens often when I point out the revenge on the midianites chapter when I tell people that in that time most women where married by 12-14 years old so when the bible says "those who have not known the touch of a man" it literally means all young girls 14 and younger were taken as sex slaves.
I would love to have been there!
The church I was attending begged me to bring my sons in, but they where bullied for not believing so not going to happen. And, the bullying was from the kids not the grown ups.
Hell yeah! ...we should have a speaker's corner in every bigger city.
💚 *quality content* 💚
You have the coolest animations.
Paul I love you, and aron ra is our hero.
Me and my daughter are strong atheists and we love you and aron. I've been teaching my girl about atheism and skepticism since she was able to speak. She is trying to argue against the bollocks they teach in RE class but she's just a kid and is afraid to speak out. I've been trying to teach her as much as possible and your posts make it soooooo much easier. We love you Paul and we love and respect aron ra. You guys are wonderful. By the way we love shannon too. Xxx
I love you guys. Aron is one of my favorites. You are all great. So many great TH-cam ers spreading the message. Let's not forget Matt dillahunty, TMM, potholer, and so many more great youtubers. I forget some at the moment but they are all great. You can say I'm kind of addicted to watching your videos. Keep up the great work guys. Love it! Edit.....Aron Ra asmr? Just an idea...lol.
Are shipbuilders people who make shipbuildings? If so, many of them would have become unemployed after shipbuilding the Ark Discounter.
It's a very narrow market! 😉
I would have refused to work on it.
I left the church when I realised the priest was talking a load of nonsense.
Brilliant video!
😆 How did did you get Aaron and Seth to do that? 😆
Absolutely brilliant. 👌😉 💯 🏆
They are generous people.
Nice birthday gift for me, mate.
Happy Birthday! :)
happy birthday!
Happy birthday, my lord. Death to the Arceus worshiper!
Hail Giratina The true god
Happy birthday 🎉🎂🎆
QUESTION, to anyone who has already visited the Ark Encounter.
"When it goes out of business, what would be the best use of the property?
a) Homeless shelter b) Karaoke bar c) Flea Market d) Other
Chris Vellner homeless shelter
Strip club! Salome and the Dance of the Seven Veils, the Song of Songs, Jezebel, David's Harem, "foot" washing..
Zoo. Though they'll have to cut down the amount of animals in it drastically, since those comically tiny cages and poor conditions would kill the animals within the month.
A evolutionary anthropology college, is obviously what’s needed there.
Paul + Seth/Aron = Fan-tawe-stome (Fantastic x Awesome)
Two great people on your show! You guys are awesome!
thanks Steven
Oh hello me at 4:27 :)
Rob T nice!
yay Rob!
*Rob T* Ya-ay! Good placard holding!
*The Ark is to History*
*as the Stork is to Birth*
Did you write that yourself? What was the second choice?
Hello, you! 🥰
"Bill Nye was my replacement."
That's a great claim to be able to make.
Thank you Paulogia for lettting Seth and Aron just talk. Kudos!
I drove Seth to the airport the day after the protest, it was cool to just have a casual conversation with him.
*Down in front,* Seth Andrews!! :P
10 bucks for parking?!? What kind of larceny is that?!?
Simony
The grandest kind... ;)
You can better take your $40 and visit the Efteling in the Netherlands... like the Ark Encounter, it's full of fairytales too (but they don't pretend those stories to be true ;) ) and they also charge $10 for parking but it's a total of $50 better spent ;) Oh, and the coasters in the Efteling are fun ;)
@Jorge Amado Soria Ramírez Good call. 'Simony' is a word that has fallen out of use and it is good to see it used correctly. I think most of the evangelical preachers are simoners, literally 'selling what belongs to God' (assuming they believe in what they say.)
chucheeness if you need cheaper parking, I Noah guy.
Ha ha. That was an awesome intro with Aron and Seth!
What an amazing job you three do. Thanks for the videos you all do subbed to all of you keep fighting the GOOD fight guy's you are all awesome. Also Seth and Aron as cartoons is freaking cool as