This Is Your Brain on Fighting Games | Improving Neutral Strategy in a Match-Up

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  • streamed Sep. 23, 2021
    Talking general strategy and what players will be thinking about at the higher levels of fighting game play using real world examples.
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  • @Sorrelhas
    @Sorrelhas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +289

    I'm sure I'm not the only one who has dreams about weird strats, only to wake up and find out they actually work

    • @LtSprinkulz
      @LtSprinkulz 2 ปีที่แล้ว +14

      I more often have dreams where I'm struggling against something and nothing works against it.

    • @Stryfe52
      @Stryfe52 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

      I had a dream where they buffed Axl’s 6H for some reason…

    • @enricobaschenis4257
      @enricobaschenis4257 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      as a new player, nightmares starring ramlethal are more common

    • @theHMCenthusiast
      @theHMCenthusiast ปีที่แล้ว +8

      @@Stryfe52 Jesus christ it came true

    • @jroyal585
      @jroyal585 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      I had a dream that showed me how to beat a Super Monkey Ball 2 level I was stuck on 💀

  • @godlywarrior7520
    @godlywarrior7520 2 ปีที่แล้ว +319

    I think that sajam has a magical wardrobe with infinite monochrome t shorts and nothing else

    • @rageulose
      @rageulose 2 ปีที่แล้ว +20

      its like double d's closet in ed edd and eddy

    • @Maggotbone
      @Maggotbone 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Mark Zuckerberg

    • @shaddykack
      @shaddykack 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      We can’t disprove this theory. It must be true.

  • @robind506
    @robind506 2 ปีที่แล้ว +80

    An apple fell on Newtons head, and in a flash of insight, he knew how to effectively counter Gios approach

  • @daisukedoi9284
    @daisukedoi9284 2 ปีที่แล้ว +163

    The people trying to write you off so quickly are the same people that think nerfs and buffs will make them win more matches

  • @Giraffinator
    @Giraffinator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +115

    I hate it when chat does the thing, but your response is probably helpful to someone every time it happens.

  • @greenhillmario
    @greenhillmario 2 ปีที่แล้ว +89

    I’m realising that the difference between someone experienced and someone newer when it comes to this is recognising that they’re actually doing this all the time and then adapting intentionally and not sub consciously.
    Recent milestone for me was playing against a Leo as Jack O and after they started using projectile more recognising that I needed to toss servants not kick or hit with normal to get over it. I think I’m slowly getting somewhere now

    • @ultraspinalki11
      @ultraspinalki11 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      Fellow Jack-O player here. Had a similar experience of learning slowly but surely. After fighting a Gio player constantly in the 7th floor, I learned to efficiently use Jack-O's move where she crouches and sends her leg tied to the chain straight upwards to stop Gio's crossups. I was able to turn the tide and ended up winning more matches overall against this player.

  • @fearfire100
    @fearfire100 2 ปีที่แล้ว +36

    Wake up honey, Sajam uploaded a new FG guide

  • @happycamperds9917
    @happycamperds9917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +75

    Problem: Pot's Fullscreen attacks completely ruin my ground game.
    Solution: *Never be on the ground*

    • @Qobp
      @Qobp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +29

      Mmmm heavenly buster...

    • @happycamperds9917
      @happycamperds9917 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

      @@Qobp That move sucks though.

    • @DeanExp
      @DeanExp 2 ปีที่แล้ว +39

      @@happycamperds9917 Not if the opponent is always in the air begging to get heavenly bustered

    • @CanalBillCast
      @CanalBillCast 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I stay in the air with Sol against Potemkin... Until he gets full or 1/2 Tension bar! :P

    • @Goblin_iRL
      @Goblin_iRL 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@happycamperds9917 you've just never been combo'd by it ;)

  • @loganalleman
    @loganalleman 2 ปีที่แล้ว +59

    really shows how nerfing one overtuned option can make a character so much more interesting to play as

    • @TKBadMoon
      @TKBadMoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Yes, nerf Pot Garuda and buff 6K > HFB please.

    • @soulofalbedo
      @soulofalbedo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      @@TKBadMoon or just nerf the garuda and call it a day

    • @TKBadMoon
      @TKBadMoon 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@soulofalbedo Yikes

    • @MrCowman57
      @MrCowman57 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TKBadMoon I miss old hammer fall break.

  • @Sky-ur1wk
    @Sky-ur1wk 2 ปีที่แล้ว +19

    What the dog doin better become sajams new catchphrase

    • @CaptinSpyke
      @CaptinSpyke 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      Already has been

  • @c4ffeineaddict
    @c4ffeineaddict 2 ปีที่แล้ว +23

    what the dog doin

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      what the cat sayin

    • @MrVacuumBrainBimbo
      @MrVacuumBrainBimbo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +7

      @@Sorrelhas what does the fox say

    • @Sorrelhas
      @Sorrelhas 2 ปีที่แล้ว +9

      @@MrVacuumBrainBimbo You deserve a veteran's discount

    • @speedweed69
      @speedweed69 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      what the dog doin

  • @MagicManCM
    @MagicManCM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +10

    those safe buffers seem really really important to master, LK talked about it in a recent vid. I should figure out my safe buffers

  • @eduardoserpa1682
    @eduardoserpa1682 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    As usual, the Machabo guide is an amazing framework to create a gameplan around.

  • @tootsie_
    @tootsie_ 2 ปีที่แล้ว +11

    the end clip about golddick is so true. The only AAs that I've found that work are Sol and Gio DP ( and theyre hard to do on reaction) or airthrow (which can be beaten by a air S)

    • @Lavender_FGC
      @Lavender_FGC 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      i love jumping to meet jump happy gold lewis players premptively with a really active air to air option, works a lot at stopping constant air approach

    • @VJ2099
      @VJ2099 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      Have you tried Sol 2HS? It has a big hit box and it’s out for a good amount of time. The only thing is that you have to do it preemptively since it doesn’t have any invulnerability and it’s a bit slow on start up.

  • @Blargel
    @Blargel 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    Getting run over by a dog is exactly my experience against Gio.

  • @gengarisnotinsmash...
    @gengarisnotinsmash... 2 ปีที่แล้ว +18

    I've gone through this quite a bit in the past 6 months or so. I'm a greatsword main in brawlhalla, but outside of bcx 2020 (when GS was incredibly broken) there is almost no top level footage of the weapon, so I've had to figure a lot of stuff out myself for matchups. Some of my bigger realizations have been finding out how amazing nlight is for punishing the normally pretty safe gauntlet slight, using recovery against particularly floaty axe players, and not panicking against blasters because, despite how much I get hit in neutral, they still cannot deal with my raw damage and kill power when I do get in.
    Still have no clue against bow or lance though :(

    • @Dilijahhh
      @Dilijahhh ปีที่แล้ว

      Yooo brawl player + greatsword main? Love to see it, I’m struggling with the same stuff, trying to learn the neutral, and overall trying to learn adaptation and improve my mental. I hope ur doing well bro 🙏🏾

  • @the8anarchist
    @the8anarchist 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    i think another topic that might be a decent video is how people refuse to change their gameplan/strategy once its been figured out. I had this happen with a Ky player last week

  • @mc_zittrer8793
    @mc_zittrer8793 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Huh....Never noticed it before, but the paw prints on the heels of her boots is a nice touch, lol.

  • @TheJbrown60
    @TheJbrown60 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    2k really an underrated defensive move for sol

  • @Youdrongo
    @Youdrongo ปีที่แล้ว

    These captions are wild

  • @ThePrototype047
    @ThePrototype047 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2k is exactly what makes Jack-o such a difficult match up for Gio

    • @bageltoo
      @bageltoo 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      Glad it’s not just me then lol. Jack-O is a pain as Gio

  • @Mistouze
    @Mistouze 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Huh, right at the time when I start using the 2K 2D safe buffer I get an alternative with REACH.
    Bless.

  • @alexwilliams6867
    @alexwilliams6867 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Gio player starts taking notes

  • @PinupSticknerd
    @PinupSticknerd 8 หลายเดือนก่อน

    "Just to get a button* use as an option."

  • @shagetakasai1426
    @shagetakasai1426 2 ปีที่แล้ว +8

    As a nago player I share this experience quite frequently again Geo players. 0:23

    • @filipepires9860
      @filipepires9860 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      For me the big thing is learning that you can punish her when she does the zig zig dog as i call it (2.6.k i think)
      That helped me a lot
      Also, i just find that they normally have just a plan, they always do the same rotation on pressure and wakeup so i just abuse that
      Gio players are normally, in my experience, not very flexible in their gameplan
      Also in Sol i strugle less then when im playing Nago, Sol just has better close buttons

    • @MagicManCM
      @MagicManCM 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      fr dude she can whiff punish some of our big usually safe normals so easily and it brings me so much pain lol

    • @yoyoguy1st
      @yoyoguy1st 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I think that’s like everyone vs Gio lol

    • @AchedSphinx
      @AchedSphinx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      @@filipepires9860 hmm, well i've been playing this game for awhile and it's incredibly rare for anyone to punish me doing 236k, spiral arrow. she can cancel it from any normal, so if people expect you to do it after 5h, you'll get hit. if you do it anywhere else it's a gamble where you can eat a huge combo. not saying it's a bad idea or anything, but it's not the answer to the match up or anything.

    • @filipepires9860
      @filipepires9860 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AchedSphinx Maybe I explained myself poorly
      I can interrupt, with 6P, before the hit connects (as sol at least)
      It's not a big punish or anything, it's just a get off me tool that helps me reset the neutral
      I still find the matchup hard and theres a lot of other things that I need to work on, like blocking more in certain ranges because your far slash is basically Fullscreen :p
      But I would say I used to block 100% of the time before and couldn't see an opening, and now I have one consistent.
      The second one is getting used and confortably air grab people, really has been helping me with Gio, Milia (harder since she has 6M dashes in the air), and Pot wake up backwards megafist
      And third, 5k is a blessing on sol, and you basically can't do the jumping crossing up move (I can't for shit understand how you write inputs for this game, but 234.s I think) if I'm ready for it
      Then again, isn't a big deal, just helped me personally a lot having a breathing time after the spiral dog

  • @noahgreen3386
    @noahgreen3386 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Why gatling into 6H instead of 2D? Wouldn't 2D avoid the punish situation when Gio dashblocks?

  • @Integral_RoA
    @Integral_RoA 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

    What do you mean this video is new? I thought I watched this same video months ago

  • @ultimatederp5069
    @ultimatederp5069 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    2K not just as Sol is underused. As a Ramlethal main I need to use it soooo much more.

    • @JulieLamia
      @JulieLamia 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      I need to use P and K way more often as Ram in general, 6P notwithstanding. I've formed a bad habit of only using Slashes and Heavies.

    • @ultimatederp5069
      @ultimatederp5069 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@JulieLamia same! S and H are so big and fun to use but I found that 2S is actually pretty good and 5P combos into 2D which is great!

  • @jeffwa8118
    @jeffwa8118 ปีที่แล้ว

    The automated CC is gdlk, lmao

  • @Upsetkiller456
    @Upsetkiller456 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Hisako in KI ruled.

  • @fogijay
    @fogijay 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    0:31 what da dog doin’?

  • @eebbaa5560
    @eebbaa5560 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Is this Sol color a mod?

  • @ferdinandboudreau983
    @ferdinandboudreau983 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    Storm beat my ass yesterday and here I am.

  • @Deathking15
    @Deathking15 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Are you sure it was the idea that struck you, or was it the Gio that stuck you?

    • @schitzie
      @schitzie 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      mr sajam can you confirm or deny that you were hit by, you were struck by, a smooth criminal?

  • @speedweed69
    @speedweed69 2 ปีที่แล้ว +5

    Could you explain why 2k 6h is better than 2k 2d?

    • @TheCajanator
      @TheCajanator 2 ปีที่แล้ว +12

      I think its mostly cause 2d whiffs sometimes at longer ranges and 6h probably doesnt

    • @AchedSphinx
      @AchedSphinx 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@TheCajanator okay yeah, but if you do the thing he said to counter it 6h is -22 and it can't be special cancelled. so if he doesn't have meter, he'll just eat the opponent's fattest combo. 2d is shorter range, but it's safer on block.

    • @Xiaounlimited
      @Xiaounlimited 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@AchedSphinx He said he buffers it as an OS. If it's blocked, 6H doesn't come out. If it connects it cancels into 6H. It seems fairly consistent and safe.

    • @AchedSphinx
      @AchedSphinx 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      @@Xiaounlimited the OS is on 2k whiff. if 2k whiffs 6h won't come out. if 2k hits or is blocked 6h will come out.

  • @altokia2724
    @altokia2724 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

    Jam

  • @dressigvil
    @dressigvil 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    when will chat learn

  • @decksteroussnail
    @decksteroussnail 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    The tools and knowledge checks you develop for a matchup are bricks but the complaints typed in chat is straw. The big bad matchup wolf don't discriminate and your back is gonna get blown out.

  • @kingangelo3838
    @kingangelo3838 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the gio doing

  • @luan.galaxy
    @luan.galaxy 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    COUNTER...but not for me!

  • @RaheemDublin
    @RaheemDublin 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    What the dog doin?

  • @MoeMunnie023
    @MoeMunnie023 2 ปีที่แล้ว +4

    I dropped potemkin today bcuz i couldnt kara consistently on controller.

    • @oddyw3422
      @oddyw3422 2 ปีที่แล้ว +3

      acquireTigris has a good video on his channel on how to kara better with gamepads, but I usually straighten out my thumb and put the base of it at K and then roll onto P

    • @jasonpinon6873
      @jasonpinon6873 2 ปีที่แล้ว +2

      I switched to stick for Pot, I can’t do it on pad either

    • @roarkviolet1912
      @roarkviolet1912 2 ปีที่แล้ว +1

      I recommend changing your button layout to have square = P and R1 = K it helps a lot

    • @MoeMunnie023
      @MoeMunnie023 2 ปีที่แล้ว

      @@roarkviolet1912 ima try that out.

  • @burritoboi3700
    @burritoboi3700 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    -400$

  • @paz8723
    @paz8723 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    This wouldnt work if the gio bothered to use 5K, like ever

  • @josephhertzog4568
    @josephhertzog4568 2 ปีที่แล้ว

    i am much better