So, to address a common comment I've been seeing on this video lately, I should make clear. As I state in the video at 6:30, I am not saying that Scar or Jaffar are TEXTUALLY gay within the films themselves. For example, as some folks point out, Scar seems to have interest in some female lions for example. However, Scar and Jaffar were coded with stereotypes of gay people to highlight their villiany, something that comes of the Hays Code of the 1960s where characters were coded as gay, but had to be villain's due to Hollywood censorship. So after the Hays Code went away, the streotypes of gay people as well as those sterotypes highlight a character as villian, stuck around, conciously or more often unconciously in Hollywood writing. This is not me saying that I approve of the stereotype of gay men as always flamboyant or effeminent, as I don't (though obviously it's 100% ok if a gay man is those things), but just that these streotypes were used to highlight characters as villians, as they were in the case of Scar and Jaffar (again, not saying that Scar or Jaffar were officially gay within the film either). While I touch upon all this in the video, I just wished to reiterate it here as I keep seeing this comment. If you wish to learn more about the history of queer coding, here is brief article on it. roganshannon.com/2018/05/15/queer-coding-and-queerbaiting/
I know not a villain, but the gays definitely won for The Owl House! It's an animated series with a canonically bisexual lead character! (And another confirmed lesbian by the creator, Dana Terrace)
So you're saying that these "steriotypical gay traits" are not possible to be held by people not gay? Also, the source is not Disney or anyone that had any sort of time spent in making the movies. Further more, flamboyant characters that also happen to be royality and very full of themselves? Never seen that before.
@@zaferoph Nop, she never said that! She just didn't specify it. She's trying to explain how all of this is a thing of the time... And in the end, we are just sad there's not much representation of the lgbtq community around, and knowing about its history in time and how maybe the creators WANTED to make characters gay but couldn't is very interesting and sad! I think the point was to just understand that, and she used examples... But yes, people can be straight and act like that...It's just a theory involving history
Its almost like they declawed the villains, in the animated films the villains completely dominated their scenes. In the live action they are just walking'n'talking scenes like they are star wars prequels.
Yeah! Palpatine is far superior than these remake villains. Heck, ANAKIN AS VADER, when he's not talking, is a better villain than all of them combined
Even as a straight guy, I was offended by the way they handled Lefou in beauty and the beast. If he's openly gay, why does his best friend seem to be either oblivious or worse, outright ignoring his friends sexual orientation. Shit, Lefou translates to "the fool."
I agree with you that it was handled poorly in general, but I can attest from personal experience that that specific kind of relationship is heartbreakingly accurate.
Honestly this was me as a child. I would often ask myself "Why can't the bad guy win for once?". I also loved Scar when I was a kid as well as lots of bad guys in movies. I was a weird kid. I also was strangely in love with Ursula for some reason. So yeah, I blame Disney for my gayness.
@@august1837 no it's an I speak French and I exist in a world where people say "thanks I hate it" But Lindsay Ellis is pretty great and I don't know why you're misspelling her name.
@@annedavis3340 sorry,I didn’t know that was something commonly said. I heard it for the first time in Lindsay’s video, so that’s what my mind first jumped to. And about the spelling, that was a mistake. I’m blind and never actually saw how her name was written, so I just spelled it phonetically
@@august1837 I'm sorry I made you feel bad. I get up in arms about her cause she's one of the people that Certain People like to hate. "Thanks I hate it" is a fun phrase, I'm glad you met it somewhere at least. :) Hope you're having a nice day, I'm sorry again for how I phrased that.
@@annedavis3340 don’t worry about it! It came off as a little defensive but nothing more than that. I’m not a regular viewer of Lindsay’s videos, but I love the videos I did watch. And yeah, “thanks I hate it” is definitely a phrase I’ll be using from now on. I hope you’re having a good day too
The best part about Ratigan is that he’s voiced by the legendary Vincent Price, who was not only bisexual himself, but was a HUGE ally to the LGBTQ+ community after denouncing his previously conservative views and was a proud member of PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) after his daughter came out as a lesbian. Basically, Vincent Price was a bicon!
@@pauladudleycreatfeat Yup! In fact, when his daughter came out to him, he told her about his loving relationships with other men and joked that his previous wives were jealous. His third wife, Coral Browne, was also bisexual and for this very reason the public thought their relationship was a fraud when in fact, it was a loving relationship between two people with very open minded approaches as to what life should look like.
Yeah I have seen a few productions of beauty and the beast where they have lumiore and codsworth act like a married couple. One even had a scene where lumiore falls asleep and murmurs Babette Cogsworth with a big smile on his face.
I actually still wish that Lumiére was voiced by Kenneth Branagh and Cogsworth by Kevin Kline just so I could hear Miguel and Tulio bantering like an old married couple again, only this time they’re French and in a triad with the feather duster.
This reminded me of how much I enjoyed that Elsa didn’t hook up with someone at the end of Frozen. I really hope that either she says single, and I can keep my imaginary asexual representation, or she gets a girlfriend, because that would be super cool
Well whatever happens with Elsa, there's still Merida and Moana who are single. There's no way to tell with them. Personally, I consider Mulan asexual, though demiromantic.
@@pyrotheloli7786 I know she's married, but it's entirely possible to be asexual and married, especially if you aren't aromantic (like I said, I consider Mulan demiromantic). Even if she was aromantic, she still might've considered marrying Shang as he likely would've offered more freedom to her than anyone else would. At some point, her family situation might have called for her to marry.
in this era of increasingly ''sympathetic'' villains i find it low-key suspish they couldnt be both sympathetic and also gay, or respectable(?) and also gay, ''compelling'' and also GAY?!
the sad part about that beauty and the beast live action is that they had luke evans right there.... a gay man... to help them out. gay men can always play straight men down to a T but its a struggle the other way around huh
I like what they're doing. Don't get me wrong tbh, 90s are superior, but there's something really nice about Raya, Frozen, and Moana in the way they're done. All three movies have antagonists and (ignoring Hans), I think they're pretty well done. I love Elsa, and Te'Ka and Namaari in a special way. It's less "good versus evil" and more that these characters all have internal struggles. It's not as fun as the old movies but I think ultimately it's going to set the kids watching these up with a better mentality. Rather than Us v Them, it's more like: Sometimes people suck, but we can try to trust them and make the world better for all of us rather than just for ourselves.
@@StarrySeal You are kinda right to be honest, not every villain has to be a Good Vs Evil type of villain. Sometimes a effective villain can start good only to have a really bad day that turns their life and the way they see things down into the path of darkness, kinda like Anikin into Darth Vader during Star Wars Prequels or even with the Joker in the Joker movie. My real beef with Disney is that while try do experiment with their villains in recent years, it seems like they tone down the Live Action versions in parts that used to make the animated 90s movies so enjoyable. I just wished that Disney didn't forget what made their classic villains so memorable as it is clear in the Live Action remakes they seem to be afraid of offending people that it makes them unable to really delve into their villain characters more.
Prince will never happen because of how Disney markets. In order to be a Disney Prince, you need to he the love interest of a Disney Princess. From a marketing standpoint, they're accessories, like Ken was to Barbie
Disney: let's de-gay the villains so we dont get backlash Me: *cackles* You can't get backlash for an lgbt+ villain if most of your characters are lgbt+ anyway! *chugs tea and continues writing*
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xp not just OCs. Harry, Draco, Hermione, etc from The Franchise Which Shall Not Be Named have been every possible combination of LGBT+ in a LOT of fanfic. Obviously it's not just the fanbase of The Franchise Which Shall Not Be Named doing it. But back to TFWSHBN, "Drarry" is a darn good example of non-OC shipping of people in different relationships than perhaps the author considered. :)
Let's just assume any remake Disney is gonna do, they WILL make their Villians boring. That's why I'm partly scared for the remake of The Little Mermaid. I dont want my Ursula be boring.
Funny that you mention Kaa from The Jungle Book because I grew up with the 1967 Soviet movie adaptation and in it I swear Kaa was an actual positive example of queer coding. He lives alone, has effeminate mannerisms, the other animals dislike him and insult him for reasons that were never quite specified, and there was even a scene where his skin gets wet and becomes rainbow-colored. Except he's portrayed as a positive character. Once Mowgli gets to know him, he discovers that all the stereotypes aren't true, and Kaa becomes one of Mowgli's caretakers along with Baloo and Bagheera (which I think is how it was in the original book before it was changed for the Disney movie, likely for the reasons you mentioned). I never actually thought about it this way until now.
"What're ya gonna do?" Don't buy tickets. Seems easy enough. I haven't seen any of these unnecessary (and quite flat/bland from the look of the clips) remakes.
Yep. The only remake I’ve seen was the first Snowhite (the one with Kristen Stewart and Chris Hemsworth) and it was pretty ok, but then I noticed how uninteresting and bland the others seemed and I was like... nope, only originals from now on.
@Ty The Great Lol, Disney's stocks have been declining for years and they're hurting for money. Their Disneyland is closed because of the pandemic and attendees have also been declining for years. They tried to rake in the cash with that useless Mulan remake by pandering to China, but ended up losing almost $200 million. People are cancelling their Disney Plus left and right because they're realising it's trash. People are waking up. Keep wasting your money, though. You're exactly the type of person they're targeting.
I dont know anything abt Josh Gad but LaFou or however you spell that has such "a straight actor tries to play a comedic gay man" energy I wanted to walk out of the theater and I promised myself not to watch any other disney live action remake Call me a snowflake but being made fun of doesnt feel good even if the bully calls it representation
I thought it was an attempt to portray gay guy who doesn't act stereotypically gay but I forgot that it was Disney. Maybe that's giving them too much credit but idk
Beauty in the Beast Live action was just complete garbage. You have a feminist lead female character who gives up her passion (teaching and inventing) to go marry a prince so she can dance happily ever after or whatever and a buffoonish caricature of gay character who's literally called "the idiot" lol Don't forget about story arcs that doesn't go anywhere. I could've forgiven all of this, if the songs turned out to be half-decent. And they chose someone with 0 singing experience. This movie should have never happened.
@Ty The Great Not really. Animation's Belle wasn't interested in inventing anything for anyone (that was her father's dream) and she also didn't care about teaching young girls to read. She just wanted to read her fantasy books and dreamed about going on an adventure. The townsfolk also weren't aggressively antagonistic towards Belle. They just thought that Belle and her father were couple of weird, eccentric people who didn't fit in with the rest of the society. There was no conflict, so there isn't anything to resolve. On the other hand, Live action Belle started with a "women can do anything but society oppresses us" feminist agenda. Nothing wrong with this, but if you want this to be meaningful, the story's gotta go somewhere with it. The minute she got to the Beast's castle, she forgets all about her passion for invention or teaching. In fact, it's never mentioned again for the rest of the movie. Her laundry machine would've been perfect for the enchanted people who no longer have hands/fingers to wash the laundry. They could've dedicated maybe like 5 minutes in the story to show how the castle-folks accept Belle and her talents. Instead, they chose to waste time on mommy issues which so random and completely unnecessary. What was the point of us finding out that Belle's mom died of an illness? Or that she chose to die alone so Belle and her dad can be safe?? It doesn't even add any layer to Belle's character. Like HOW does that tie into the story at all? Animation from what I remember did not have questionable moments like this. As for LaFou, I guess I'll give you that. But honestly I never thought he was gay. But then I never thought any of the villains were queer either so maybe I'm just bad at spotting queer characters. (It's not that I thought they were all straight/cis gender but more so that I never cared to question them.) IMO animation Lafou's sexuality is still ambiguous but then there's really no denying that Live action Lafou is gay. Sorry for the rant. There are few movies that I hate with passion and this was one of them.
It's important to highlight that Scar AND Jafar were animated by Andreas Deja, a gay man. I think his silence and distance from these trash remakes compared to many other Disney Alum speaks volumes. This is erasure. I am still SALTY live action Ursula was such a lazy casting. Drag is so much more mainstream thanks to DragRace etc that it's inexcusable and offensive to her majesty, Divine who directly inspired her.
@@samuelfabe1s Drag looks like a caricature of the worst female stereotypes to me, not a celebration. im admittedly not too familiar with drag, and honestly it doesnt bother me but based on what ive seen, thats what it looks like. Genuine question, how is drag a celebration?
@@meepmoop2308 That’s literally the point. You’re supposed to be a walking colorful exaggerated stereotype. Y’all know nothing about drag culture, and it shows.
Once Upon A Time's boringification of Ursula, especially after Ursula had already made an appearance, was when I first clocked the straightening. I am genuinely afraid for live action Hercules and Little Mermaid.
Especially since the Origin of the little Mermaid was a Love Letter from Andersen to His Male Love interest. Writing himself as the little Mermaid (and I Bet they don't even make Ursula to the Warning grandma)
In a deleted scene in the original Scar does try to make Nala his mate though. It's what leads her to run off and eventually stumble upon Simba because he was like "Be my wife or be ejected from the pride."
Yeah, obviously he's not actually gay. They said lefou was the first, so this guy is obviously not the first. Queer-coding is "gay is bad, villian is bad, gay mannerisms fit". None of these villains are actually gay.
It's kinda always been hinted at that Scar wanted Nala as the broadway play from 1997 in the song 'The Madness of King Scar' has a whole attempted rope scene between the two it's kinda freaky but also guiltily my favorite part of the song.
NOTE: There is a "joke" at the start of this video where I jokingly attempt to pronounce an actors name. The intention of the "joke" was to make fun of myself for my inability to properly pronunciation words and names, as I've been noted to do both in my everyday life and in other videos. However, after hearing criticism from many of you who watched the video, I realize that the joke comes across as othering and belittling, especially to many who have names that are often mispronounced or mispelt, often because they aren't names that are given notice by the world at large. I apologize for this badly thought-out stab at humor. I will endeavor to do better moving forward, and I thank you all for being so kind, yet honest with your criticism. I want to make work that advocates for everyone, especially those who who are most in need of being advocated for. Yet, I do, and still will, fall short of that goal at times, and I honestly appreciate it when those in the community hold me accountable, yet do so with the best of intentions. I thank you so much for your criticism, and I again apologize to you
@@XXXXX8 unnecessarily mean my friend. Totally ok if you didn’t like the video though. ❤️ hope you’re having a good day tho and I wish you nothing but kindness today
@@XXXXX8 I talk about it in the video. They aren't GAY within the text of the film, they're queer coded, which does not mean that a character is explicitly gay, but that they are coded with stereotypically gay mannerisms and behaviors. This isn't to say that the streotyping was good, but that it was film shorthand comingg out of the Hays Code. Again, something I speak aobut in the video :)
Setting aside the moral implications of specifically queer coding villains for a moment... I think it made their characters SO much more intriguing! Even as a cishet girl myself, I always ALWAYS liked the villains wayyyy more than the heroes in movies. The heroes were so incredibly bland and cookie-cutter (with only a few exceptions) whereas the villains were charismatic and interesting and, frankly, just looked cool. Why would I like Basic Muscle Hero Hercules when there was Flamboyant Gothic Flame Hair Hades???
Cis bloke and 100% concur. Hades n scar still my 2 fave villains. And Hades stole the movie to my mind. Timon n pumba stole the lion King for me, Scar was close second. :)
Tbh I always loved the female villains so much... As a straight girl I identified more with their confidence and badassery than the female protagonists except for mulan lmao Edit also it may be that I am a closeted bi and had a crush on them but I haven't figured that out yet, so I just say that I am straight 😅
As a greek mythology fan, I was a little disappointed they westernized Zeus and Hades by making them the typical “God and Devil”, but Disney’s Hades makes up for this. I still can’t believe they made Zeus a genuinely nice guy, like, _WOW._
I should have known I was gay when the most memorable character from Hercules for me was meg. the main character doesn't even make it into the top 3 lol. he lost to Danny Devito.
The funny thing is, in the b-roll and behind the scenes footage of the film, Gaston (Luke Evans) was pretty blatantly seducing Lefou (Josh Gad), to get him to do what he wanted. It's wild to me that even though the actors were into it, it still didn't make the final cut. :P
Just watched "Some Like It Hot" a few days ago and man. That movie is so gay. I know I shouldn't read too much into it, I know most of the gay/drag/psudo-trans stuff is meant to be just comedy... but it does close with a character being totally fine with it when he finds out his bride-to-be is a man. Sorry, that has nothing to do with this topic, just thinking about how that came out while the Hays Code was still in full effect.
I actually will argue on the comparisons in the Scar’s. While the animated version is fun and good he is so CLEARLY mustache twirling evil. Like everyone should have know he was evil. In the “live-action” version he’s just talking but he actually sounds like a caring uncle and thus the threat works in the different way in how he can be seemingly loving and put together hiding literal murderous intent. Not saying one is better than the other even though overall the “live-action” was clearly overall inferior but there were elements that worked in their own ways. But I totally agree with about the live-action Jafar. God the actor gave a boring performance.
I’m late, but I disagree. The live action scar seemed more outwardly evil to me. Like, animated scar was so sassy and sarcastic that it would’ve been so easy for Mufasa and Simba to not take him seriously. Live action scar is just too serious, that all of his remarks couldn’t be seen as anything other than having evil intent. But that’s just the way I saw it. I’ve heard a lot of differing opinions on the matter. But the thing about Jafar is so true
i haven't watched the live action and im prolly not ever going to do so. However, i did watch the live action version of "be prepeard", and even tho it was very different i still think it was done pretty well. Totally different vibe yet still ominous. He kinda seemed like a completly different character tho lol Idk what the point of this comment was, i just thought the diffenrece in the songs were intresting
@Ty The Great it's bland. No vibrant colors until Simba is brought to the jungle. Also, since the animals are so realistic, they can't emote their feelings like they did in the animated version. Case in point: Mufasa's death
As a proud Ace I see Elsa as asexual as she stays single and is happy on/with herself, nice to see a rare example of my asexuality in a popular Disney movie. I loved she didn't have a love interest and stayed single at the end of both movies, a rare Disney choice for a Princess.
Here in Sweden, Scar was voiced by the late Rikard Wolff, an actor and singer who not only was openly gay, but also looked so much like Scar in those days that you could have thought the character designers had based it on him. Some were very offended by the fact a gay man was in a kids movie (sigh) but to the most part, people seemed to think he was perfect. And for me, who were old enough with a strong enough gaydar to know about Rikard, I've always thought of Scar as him. A beautiful, proud gay man.
Maybe it's just my upbringing, but I always saw the gay coded characters as intelligent and condescending. I saw their mannerisms as acceptable, if bold. I kinda wish we could have that, plus explicitly gay characters, so that we have a wider range of behaviors in our culture. After all, not all gay folk have those mannerisms, so why limit the mannerisms to gay folk?
The whole Disney pandering to countries like China by making "representation" easy to edit out sucks. The whole star wars no-homo thing made me *so* mad
They also shrunk Finn on the Last Jedi poster for the same reason. And an even bigger slap to the face is they have the audacity to make pro-repesentation statements on Twitter while simultaneously cutting it from the Chinese version. The hypocrisy is overwhelming
The thing is Chinese media doesnt exist in some kind of Puritan state either, Id say they are more comfortable with queer coded characters that arent LGBTQ in the canon than Western media. Disney is just censoring themselves.
i know it's been a hot minute since this video dropped, but i just have to add since i rarely see anyone mention it: the actor for governor ratcliffe, david ogden stiers (also the original voice of cogsworth and major winchester on m*a*s*h) was gay himself. i don't know much about the details of his role in pocahontas, but i do know that, when beauty and the beast was released, cogsworth was very much seen as a stereotypically gay character. not sure if this was intentional, but it sparked a quiet controversy because, unlike the queercoded villains, he is not punished by the narrative nor demonized - he's one of the heroes and an instantly likeable character. and, unlike lumiere, he doesn't have a female love interest to brush any suspicions under the rug. not much was publicly said about this, but behind the scenes disney executives were chewing out stiers and trying to keep everything as quiet and innocent as possible. not much of a point here, but i do think it's interesting
Jafar loving mascara is culturel. North African, Middle-Eastern and South Asian men use to wear Khôl/Kajal (the traditional eye makeup on which the West based eyeliner and mascara) before these countries became more westernised.
Yeah I thought the Jafar thing was a bit of a stretch (especially with the snake part. I thought it was symbolic because Jafar is like a snake, personality wise). My grandma put Khol on my dad's eyes when he was little (they're Pakistani). It's not exclusively just a "feminine" thing.
@@mynameisreallycool1 Yes,the snake is absolutely symbolic of his personality and his mannerism is not that gay if you know anything about Middle-Eastern cultures. I'm of Pakistani/Indian origin too and my mom also use to put eyeliner on my brother,it is definitely not a gender thing.
I remember when I first watched Frozen as a tiny child, I was confused on whether Elsa and Anna were sisters or friends who were becoming lovers. My friends always come at me for this, and hey man, i was tiny. But I genuinely did not catch the sister queues, and the line was repeatedly wobbling between the two.
Actually, you might've been partially right. Frozen was originally intended to be a re-do of the Ice Queen story, where a (presumably evil) queen kidnaps the male half of a sibling pair and enchants him to be hers (either lover or son depending on the story). The sister goes on a quest to regain her brother and presumably learns some valuable lessons. So yeah, originally, Elsa and Anna weren't meant to be sisters. I don't know why that changed, but it did. I guess maybe they left some of the original scenes unaltered if it didn't matter to the "sister" alteration? Cause yeah, there were definitely moments where I could say hey, yeah they're sisters because it fits in with my sisterly experiences, but then I remember that most of my sisterly experiences occurred with friends, not family...
Jesse I bet you were a master at writing an essay. The way you present an argument is so eloquently laid out. You definitely would make a great Humanitarian Advocate / Lawyer.
Wait the only other The Great Mouse Detective enthusiast I've heard of is also trans ? Is the Great Mouse Detective a part of the trans agenda ? But yes this video is hilarious and interesting.
I adored the great mouse detective as a child (a wasp got into the vhs and got shredded in the vcr so the movie became unplayable), but i still remember the movie fondly and will watch it every once and a while. And i'm cis. Although the movie is in my top 5, it's not my number 1. That falls to nightmare before christmas.
Also I feel like another thing lost in the adaptation is that that the animated versions of these characters were actually like... animated? There's so much MOTION in the animated characters and the live action or "realistic" animated versions just feel so static by contrast
It's weird that in the US characters that act like Scar are considered gay. For most people in Europe he was just acting like a cunning fashionable Prince from like the 18th century. Also,I always thought Big Ben was the gay one in Beauty and The Beast.
So could it also be the villains exhibit femininity because it is forbidden for men in a patriarchal culture and also the witch archetype where women’s reproductive “magical qualities” make them taboo? And Lefou comes across as a comedic foil.
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You know what I wanna see? An original gay character. Not an old character they turned gay, but a new and unique character to show that they truly care and not just throw them into a movie. But as long as China is one of the biggest money gives Disney will not do that.
Scar is clearly gay/coded. As Jessie pointed out, he admits marriage "somehow must have slipped my mind". -- He also never shows an interest in Sarabi, Mufasa's widow, after he takes over the pride. Anyone who knows anything about lions, knows that's the first thing a new pack leader does; kill the infants and drive the alpha female into heat. Scar was just an authoritarian and used the lionesses to hunt and pillage the region to scarcity -- although in nature, lionesses are naturally the hunters who bring home the bacon; just when they're not pregnant or nursing.
I always read Scar's flamboyancy as both a "fake nice" thing, and his way of mocking others, like "I'm so much smarter than you, so I have no need to get so worked up over anything". It makes his total switch to cold cruelty, anger, and outright terror all the more impactful. The jokes are done for Scar at those points. Not disagreeing or anything, just saying how Scar's came across to me in-character and such. Since I came across this video, I just want to share something about the performance by Irons I've read about. When he does "Be Prepared" and yells "YOU WON'T GET A SNIFF WITHOUT ME!!!!!" that line was shouted so loud he actually _tore his own voicebox._ The rest of the song is done by Jim Cummings doing a dead-on impression of him.
The most unacceptable act was getting rid of Li Shang my beautiful Bi-con. let's be real we loved Scar, Ursula, and Jafar more than the heroes they were all that and more, I miss sassy sarcastic icons. I watched Raya and the last dragon and honestly I know it's not the basic Disney story but it wasn't that fun and I don't really like the frozen movies either.
I just started watching the video and damn the bit with the lion mouths got a genuine chuckle out of me. Gosh I love Jessie so MUCH 🤣 Her videos are such a serotonin boost. Jessie if you're seeing this, you're wonderful 💙
The Great Mouse Detective gets an extra layer of fun if you watch it with the head-canon that Basil and Rattigan are ex-boyfriends and Rattigan is just constantly trying to one-up Basil because he's not over him.
One character that the Hayes code ruined was Dorothy from TWWoO. In the books she's pretty strong and independent for an 8 yo girl dropped in the middle of what is basically a revolution. In the film she's relying on everyone else for help 90% of the time
When the whole "first gay character for disney" was being shown everywhere I slipped up and said "you telling me olaf, hades, and scar aren't gay?" Infront of my mother she looked exactly like: 👁👄👁
Being dramatic means they're gay? Before anyone says anything I'm obviously not against the lgbtq, I support it I just think these characters were dramatic not gay but you can interpret whatever you want, they are fictional ^-^
We aren’t saying they are gay, they are gay coded, gay rep wasn’t allowed back in the day so they instead used common things that were seen as gay to indicate the character was gay.
Also, as a 2D animator my problem with the live action reboots. is that they feel like a slap to the face to the folks who originally worked on the films.
I remember watching Lion King and finding it strange, probably because it is so strange to change from such lively and expressionful animation to such a bland live-action. Some scenes can look nice, but all the characters seemed... bland. I think it is more then just de-gaying, but it is also just more realistic but blander cinematography. But I only really watched the live-action Lion King, but similar criticisms have been made by people better then I could for the other movies.
SPOILERS for a movie that has been out for years. ... But I shouldn't be chuckling at Mufasa's deathscene as he twirls around in the sky, with a fall that looks so small. That is a setback of live-action.
Don’t hate me, but I personally am n out impressed with most of the live action remakes. I just feel that they lack creativity and imagination, and are just cash grabs. Not trying to offend here, just my opinion
I think the key thing that changed was there’s no personality back then they have a lot of it however there doesn’t seem to be any personality to any of the live action Disney remakes. Sure characters like Scar and Jafar we’re very flamboyant in their personalities Jafar in the original cartoon movie was also misogynistic, remember his first line to Jasmine when she was told she’s going to marry him is: “Speechless I see a fine quality in a bride.” And he was insistent on her falling in love with him even trying to make it a wish. So I think it’s less that they’re gay and more that they just have personality.
Well...depends on what you mean. If you ask, why representation is important then I would say it simple, so people could see themselves in the heroes and see that there is nothing wrong with different orientation, like, what does the straightness of a character add to story? Also not much, so this is not a very good point against representation. If you meant the way a villain behaves in the movie and how it has to do with sexuality, then it was answered in the video actually. Such behavior, that is seen as feminine or "theatrical" was more of a stereotypical gay behavior and most of the time, this "gayness" was added to the character, so he would seem more foreign and less sympathetic, because, he "is" gay and is associated with gay behavior. (I hope I could explain that right)
@@panlover8734 i mean... a sexuality does not make you any different, its not like bravery or strenght.. it is not because you are gay or straight or whatever that you are good or bad at something. Only the story matter and the characters accomplishments Or lessons they teach us. this is what i mean and i think people use to take straight simpily because it doesnt add anything and its simple if you want basic, kids sometimes do not even understand the concept of sexuality, watching shows with straight or gay does not make you change who you like or feel and i think its really picky to step on this. if you want to make a sexuality special then make a movie just based of this. because to me if like you telling me because you know how breathing you have to be special.... no you are normal.
@@panlover8734 and i feel more weird and disturbed when people have to fight over kids characters sexual orientations and stuffs like that when they are most of time supposed to be neutral . . . and why when people watch a movie or a show their first thoughts are to know who they sleep with... or who they identify as it is insane to me. I most of the time been told that straight people have this kind of behavious, by judging people or charaters on the their sexuality.... but no its reversed. as long i spent a good time watching a movie..who care?? This all i had to say.
@@ayanokawanegucci7230 well...we don't judge. Like, I still enjoy movies where I do not know anything about the orientation. It is nice when movies have some LGBT characters and for some people it is just important. How do I describe it. It is like, for example people who have some mental illnesses, do movies "need" them and does it add something to the plot/character, and yes and no, it depends on the movie. It can be just a background character but it is representation, so people with this problems arent "erased" and can see that they also are seen as human beings. It is not wrong if you do not care about the orientation of the characters, it's great and of course, the movie is not automatically wonderful if there is an LGBTQ character but it can help some kids to see that this is normal too. Yes, they are "neutral" at the beginning but orientation is not a choice and they can realise that they arent straight. This is way representation is important, so they know, that they are not "wrong".
In the late 90s or early 00s, McDonald’s released a three volume compilation series of Disney songs. They had: “Buddy Songs”, “Hero Songs”, and “Villain Songs.” I owned all three, but I only wore ONE of the tapes out... As a young gay, I never got the message that “gay = villain”. If anything, I understood that “gay = the most interesting part of the story.” (And, at a certain point, the only part worth watching.)
The thing is though, the queer community still loves queer villains. I almost never seen people saying it’s problematic because it’s so ingrained in gay culture. Now we have characters like Dr. Venomous and Box Man from O.K K.O, Catra and Double Trouble from the She Ra reboot, Pauline from Dead End: Paranormal Park, Lego Batman’s Joker, and tons of villains from the Hellaverse that are all either queer coded or openly gay and beloved in their respective communities. I don’t expect a corporation to know this and I do think that the removal of the coding was done with good intentions (or purely for profit, either way) but if you’re gonna remove the coding you’re gonna have to give them a completely new personality and at that point just make a new character.
Live action scar looks like he's just Simba's sickly uncle who straight up told him a place to practice his roar. I haven't watched the live action and had no idea about scar want to put Simba in danger by telling him about that roar practice place.
This video made me think of my favorite gay villain, which is a woman from an anime that came out in 2017. From the very first moment she appears on screen, she draws everyone's attention, and you can't help thinking she's super cool, even if it's obvious by her design that she's "evil". And i think a great part of what makes her especial is the way she dresses and talks and moves that seem to scream "I'm gay", so if she was straight, that just wouldn't have the same effect. That said, although she's technically punished at the end (she goes to jail), it is implied that her sentence won't be long since she redeemed herself at the end, AND she also reconciles with her ex (girl)friend. I really wished Disney would do something like this.
She's not making the point that they're gay. What she's saying is, that, due to the history of the Hayes code and gay representation, it's very likely that these characters were written with the intent of queer coding. It's pretty obvious in the case of Ursula and Divine (look it up! It's really interesting!). They're not inherently gay, but they're "coded" in such a way.
For anyone who's watched The Untamed, it's so obvious that the two guys love each other, especially if you know anything about the source material. You'll see a scene where a guy and girl stare deeply into each other's eyes with soft music playing, then a scene a bit later with the two guys. And yet! And yet i know people who look at them and think "they're such good friends" like they don't see what's right in front of them.
When I found out that Ursula was based on / inspired by a literal drag queen, it definitely created some... stirrings in me as I remembered her being my favorite character as a young boy and would even role-play as her playing with other kids acting out scenes from the movie. I mean, if I didn't know before that I was trans, that definitely gave me a big push.
I never realised just how flat and bland the live action version were. There's no cinematography, no direction, no one changes the tone of their voice. It's like watching a table read.
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So, to address a common comment I've been seeing on this video lately, I should make clear. As I state in the video at 6:30, I am not saying that Scar or Jaffar are TEXTUALLY gay within the films themselves. For example, as some folks point out, Scar seems to have interest in some female lions for example. However, Scar and Jaffar were coded with stereotypes of gay people to highlight their villiany, something that comes of the Hays Code of the 1960s where characters were coded as gay, but had to be villain's due to Hollywood censorship. So after the Hays Code went away, the streotypes of gay people as well as those sterotypes highlight a character as villian, stuck around, conciously or more often unconciously in Hollywood writing. This is not me saying that I approve of the stereotype of gay men as always flamboyant or effeminent, as I don't (though obviously it's 100% ok if a gay man is those things), but just that these streotypes were used to highlight characters as villians, as they were in the case of Scar and Jaffar (again, not saying that Scar or Jaffar were officially gay within the film either). While I touch upon all this in the video, I just wished to reiterate it here as I keep seeing this comment. If you wish to learn more about the history of queer coding, here is brief article on it. roganshannon.com/2018/05/15/queer-coding-and-queerbaiting/
I know not a villain, but the gays definitely won for The Owl House! It's an animated series with a canonically bisexual lead character! (And another confirmed lesbian by the creator, Dana Terrace)
did they even watch the video 💀 that was the whole point
It's Jafar, not Jaffar
So you're saying that these "steriotypical gay traits" are not possible to be held by people not gay? Also, the source is not Disney or anyone that had any sort of time spent in making the movies.
Further more, flamboyant characters that also happen to be royality and very full of themselves? Never seen that before.
@@zaferoph Nop, she never said that! She just didn't specify it. She's trying to explain how all of this is a thing of the time...
And in the end, we are just sad there's not much representation of the lgbtq community around, and knowing about its history in time and how maybe the creators WANTED to make characters gay but couldn't is very interesting and sad!
I think the point was to just understand that, and she used examples...
But yes, people can be straight and act like that...It's just a theory involving history
Its almost like they declawed the villains, in the animated films the villains completely dominated their scenes. In the live action they are just walking'n'talking scenes like they are star wars prequels.
Hey, that's not fair at all! The characterization in Episodes I-III are FAR superior to these Disney remakes!
Yeah! Palpatine is far superior than these remake villains. Heck, ANAKIN AS VADER, when he's not talking, is a better villain than all of them combined
just change star wars prequels to star wars sequels and then i’ll fully agree with you lol
Oh come on, don't do the prequels like that. They're great and Palpatine just dominates every scene he's in.
Star Wars SEQUELS
Even as a straight guy, I was offended by the way they handled Lefou in beauty and the beast. If he's openly gay, why does his best friend seem to be either oblivious or worse, outright ignoring his friends sexual orientation. Shit, Lefou translates to "the fool."
I agree with you that it was handled poorly in general, but I can attest from personal experience that that specific kind of relationship is heartbreakingly accurate.
the line is so thin, between calling a character Lefou and making him gay, and straight up calling him la folle
At times to me Le Fou even came across as a little sinister.
Always thought he had a toxic relationship with Gaston he was clearly into him.
Because he *wasn't* openly gay. He was closeted until he joined the good guys.
Parents in 1999 : "Why do you like the villains so much?"
Me now: Oh....yeah that makes sense
Honestly this was me as a child. I would often ask myself "Why can't the bad guy win for once?". I also loved Scar when I was a kid as well as lots of bad guys in movies. I was a weird kid. I also was strangely in love with Ursula for some reason. So yeah, I blame Disney for my gayness.
@@arizows5516 I also liked Scar when I was little
@@LegoManiac_101 Glad I'm not the only one
i'm not gay but Ace.. i did however always like the villlains.. especially ones like cruella (she is after all still my favorite)
@Asher Copaken definitely
"Le Fou" literally means "The Idiot." The first gay character is the idiot. Thanks I hate it
Is that a Linzy Elice reference
@@august1837 no it's an I speak French and I exist in a world where people say "thanks I hate it"
But Lindsay Ellis is pretty great and I don't know why you're misspelling her name.
@@annedavis3340 sorry,I didn’t know that was something commonly said. I heard it for the first time in Lindsay’s video, so that’s what my mind first jumped to. And about the spelling, that was a mistake. I’m blind and never actually saw how her name was written, so I just spelled it phonetically
@@august1837 I'm sorry I made you feel bad. I get up in arms about her cause she's one of the people that Certain People like to hate.
"Thanks I hate it" is a fun phrase, I'm glad you met it somewhere at least. :)
Hope you're having a nice day, I'm sorry again for how I phrased that.
@@annedavis3340 don’t worry about it! It came off as a little defensive but nothing more than that. I’m not a regular viewer of Lindsay’s videos, but I love the videos I did watch. And yeah, “thanks I hate it” is definitely a phrase I’ll be using from now on. I hope you’re having a good day too
"You know how much Disney wants to avoid controversy!"
*laughs in mulan 2020*
That was basically running full sprint _into_ a brick wall of controversy...
@@balanc-joy9187 It's too late to abort, Disney is distracted by money from China.
*laughs In lightyear*
Directed By: Robert B. Weide
Executive Producer: Larry David, Jeff Garlin, Gavin Polone
Co-Executive Producer: Robert B. Weide
The best part about Ratigan is that he’s voiced by the legendary Vincent Price, who was not only bisexual himself, but was a HUGE ally to the LGBTQ+ community after denouncing his previously conservative views and was a proud member of PFLAG (Parents and Friends of Lesbians and Gays) after his daughter came out as a lesbian. Basically, Vincent Price was a bicon!
Vincent Price was bi? Cool, i never knew that.
Word
@@pauladudleycreatfeat Yup! In fact, when his daughter came out to him, he told her about his loving relationships with other men and joked that his previous wives were jealous. His third wife, Coral Browne, was also bisexual and for this very reason the public thought their relationship was a fraud when in fact, it was a loving relationship between two people with very open minded approaches as to what life should look like.
@@spiceupyourafterlife that's so awesome
This makes me love Vincent Price even more, a true legend
Why always villains. Especially in Beauty and the Beast remake, it'd have been so simple to make that candle and clock domestics gay AF
Candle is extra straight tho lmao
Yeah I have seen a few productions of beauty and the beast where they have lumiore and codsworth act like a married couple. One even had a scene where lumiore falls asleep and murmurs Babette Cogsworth with a big smile on his face.
misread that and OH GOD
@@pyrotheloli7786 that Candle couldnt have been that straight he was French ;)
I actually still wish that Lumiére was voiced by Kenneth Branagh and Cogsworth by Kevin Kline just so I could hear Miguel and Tulio bantering like an old married couple again, only this time they’re French and in a triad with the feather duster.
This reminded me of how much I enjoyed that Elsa didn’t hook up with someone at the end of Frozen. I really hope that either she says single, and I can keep my imaginary asexual representation, or she gets a girlfriend, because that would be super cool
Well whatever happens with Elsa, there's still Merida and Moana who are single. There's no way to tell with them. Personally, I consider Mulan asexual, though demiromantic.
@@robinfa1477 mulan is married lolol
@@pyrotheloli7786 I know she's married, but it's entirely possible to be asexual and married, especially if you aren't aromantic (like I said, I consider Mulan demiromantic). Even if she was aromantic, she still might've considered marrying Shang as he likely would've offered more freedom to her than anyone else would. At some point, her family situation might have called for her to marry.
Elsa is an ace lesbian, spread the word :)
@@NowTheDreamsWontDo it’s 1843 Norway, that’s impossible
"throw some racism in there for funsies" is not a phrase I thought I would ever hear.
So you’re not aware n Hollywood
GOOD CHOICE
XD
Ahh just got to that bit
in this era of increasingly ''sympathetic'' villains i find it low-key suspish they couldnt be both sympathetic and also gay, or respectable(?) and also gay, ''compelling'' and also GAY?!
Elsa? Maybe? She's kind of an antagonist
@@internetgal38 wasnt Elsa meant to be the villain? Until the song let it go, because it was too good for a villain? I forgot-
Probably for the same reason they cut Biggering from the Lorax movie,
Corporate didn't want to take the risk.
@@thorndoll_52She was! Though I wouldn’t call her a villain nor antagonist in the actual movie, just a deeply traumatized individual.
What about Timon and Pumbaa, they're the best gay couple ever and they aren't even villains
The first Disney representation of a same-sex couple raising a child, and doing a very good job. Who cares if they were mates or just friends
@Caelyn Morton hm. Nah - grew Up with the German Song.
.... They're just friends.... Why y'all gotta make things sexual. 💀
@@darkestb3rry being gay doesn't mean it's sexual.
@@darkestb3rry cause we crave representation and look for it in the characters we enjoy
the sad part about that beauty and the beast live action is that they had luke evans right there.... a gay man... to help them out. gay men can always play straight men down to a T but its a struggle the other way around huh
NOT TO MENTION IAN MCKELLEN, THE GAY ICON!!
Us gays have to hide our true selves for the comfort of bigots, so some of us are really good at fakin' it...
@@tessabakker662 that hurts to hear even if it's true. I hope that one day the Earth gets to a place that isn't a necessity.
Disney of the 60s and the 90s did their villains really well.
Sadly the current Disney villains boring and have no eccentric character at all
i kinda agree, their villain game has been.. sad, but like.. *gestures to moana*
I like what they're doing. Don't get me wrong tbh, 90s are superior, but there's something really nice about Raya, Frozen, and Moana in the way they're done. All three movies have antagonists and (ignoring Hans), I think they're pretty well done. I love Elsa, and Te'Ka and Namaari in a special way. It's less "good versus evil" and more that these characters all have internal struggles. It's not as fun as the old movies but I think ultimately it's going to set the kids watching these up with a better mentality. Rather than Us v Them, it's more like: Sometimes people suck, but we can try to trust them and make the world better for all of us rather than just for ourselves.
@@StarrySeal You are kinda right to be honest, not every villain has to be a Good Vs Evil type of villain.
Sometimes a effective villain can start good only to have a really bad day that turns their life and the way they see things down into the path of darkness, kinda like Anikin into Darth Vader during Star Wars Prequels or even with the Joker in the Joker movie.
My real beef with Disney is that while try do experiment with their villains in recent years, it seems like they tone down the Live Action versions in parts that used to make the animated 90s movies so enjoyable.
I just wished that Disney didn't forget what made their classic villains so memorable as it is clear in the Live Action remakes they seem to be afraid of offending people that it makes them unable to really delve into their villain characters more.
If they can put it in a Disney Channel show, they can put it in a movie. We need a gay Disney prince or princess. Actually, why not both?
YEEEEEEEAH!!!!!!
Like a non-binary royal?
Prince will never happen because of how Disney markets.
In order to be a Disney Prince, you need to he the love interest of a Disney Princess. From a marketing standpoint, they're accessories, like Ken was to Barbie
yes! when will we get the duke in distress or the gay princess who needs to be saved by the other gay princess
Because...... China.....
I feel like the genie got the same treatment as scar. Removed any feminine qualities, and gave them a love interest.
OMG I love Genie's flamboyant and colorful self in the animated film. :-D
Disney: let's de-gay the villains so we dont get backlash
Me: *cackles* You can't get backlash for an lgbt+ villain if most of your characters are lgbt+ anyway! *chugs tea and continues writing*
Wait but what makes most characters LGBT in any way? that makes no sense.
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xp they were probably talking about their own characters
@@user-hz5hn7ts1i oh yeah cause artists do that with their OCs
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xp not just OCs. Harry, Draco, Hermione, etc from The Franchise Which Shall Not Be Named have been every possible combination of LGBT+ in a LOT of fanfic.
Obviously it's not just the fanbase of The Franchise Which Shall Not Be Named doing it.
But back to TFWSHBN, "Drarry" is a darn good example of non-OC shipping of people in different relationships than perhaps the author considered. :)
@@AngelVazquez-vs9xp basically have multiple gay characters, such as, gay heroes, gay morally gray characters, gay villains
This explains why I, as a gays, loved villains so much.
Fkn same.
Same. I love Jessie, James and Meowth (not team rocket since they are only a fun fraction of team rocket)
They made Scar boring.
They made Jafar boring.
THEY BETTER NOT LAY A FINGER ON MY BOY HADES!!! 👏👏👏
Let's just assume any remake Disney is gonna do, they WILL make their Villians boring.
That's why I'm partly scared for the remake of The Little Mermaid. I dont want my Ursula be boring.
Boring?
Update…they made Ursula boring 😢
Funny that you mention Kaa from The Jungle Book because I grew up with the 1967 Soviet movie adaptation and in it I swear Kaa was an actual positive example of queer coding. He lives alone, has effeminate mannerisms, the other animals dislike him and insult him for reasons that were never quite specified, and there was even a scene where his skin gets wet and becomes rainbow-colored. Except he's portrayed as a positive character. Once Mowgli gets to know him, he discovers that all the stereotypes aren't true, and Kaa becomes one of Mowgli's caretakers along with Baloo and Bagheera (which I think is how it was in the original book before it was changed for the Disney movie, likely for the reasons you mentioned). I never actually thought about it this way until now.
damn i need to see this adaptation, what's the name ?
Yes, in the book, Kaa is one of Mowgli's friends.
In book as well as 80s anime adaptation Kaa is a friend of Mowgli. Believed to be 100 years old and often gives Mowgli advise through his experience
"What're ya gonna do?"
Don't buy tickets. Seems easy enough. I haven't seen any of these unnecessary (and quite flat/bland from the look of the clips) remakes.
Everytime I'm subjected to clips from the TLK remake, they're just worse and worse 😬
Exactly. Why do people still not understand the concept of voting with your wallet?
Yep. The only remake I’ve seen was the first Snowhite (the one with Kristen Stewart and Chris Hemsworth) and it was pretty ok, but then I noticed how uninteresting and bland the others seemed and I was like... nope, only originals from now on.
Same. Disney only cares about money, so I don't give them my money.
@Ty The Great
Lol, Disney's stocks have been declining for years and they're hurting for money. Their Disneyland is closed because of the pandemic and attendees have also been declining for years. They tried to rake in the cash with that useless Mulan remake by pandering to China, but ended up losing almost $200 million. People are cancelling their Disney Plus left and right because they're realising it's trash. People are waking up. Keep wasting your money, though. You're exactly the type of person they're targeting.
I dont know anything abt Josh Gad but LaFou or however you spell that has such "a straight actor tries to play a comedic gay man" energy I wanted to walk out of the theater and I promised myself not to watch any other disney live action remake
Call me a snowflake but being made fun of doesnt feel good even if the bully calls it representation
I thought it was an attempt to portray gay guy who doesn't act stereotypically gay but I forgot that it was Disney. Maybe that's giving them too much credit but idk
@@Joey-kd8lj Josh Gad is married to a woman though. 🤔
Beauty in the Beast Live action was just complete garbage. You have a feminist lead female character who gives up her passion (teaching and inventing) to go marry a prince so she can dance happily ever after or whatever and a buffoonish caricature of gay character who's literally called "the idiot" lol Don't forget about story arcs that doesn't go anywhere. I could've forgiven all of this, if the songs turned out to be half-decent. And they chose someone with 0 singing experience. This movie should have never happened.
@Ty The Great Uh, which part?
@Ty The Great Not really. Animation's Belle wasn't interested in inventing anything for anyone (that was her father's dream) and she also didn't care about teaching young girls to read. She just wanted to read her fantasy books and dreamed about going on an adventure. The townsfolk also weren't aggressively antagonistic towards Belle. They just thought that Belle and her father were couple of weird, eccentric people who didn't fit in with the rest of the society. There was no conflict, so there isn't anything to resolve.
On the other hand, Live action Belle started with a "women can do anything but society oppresses us" feminist agenda. Nothing wrong with this, but if you want this to be meaningful, the story's gotta go somewhere with it. The minute she got to the Beast's castle, she forgets all about her passion for invention or teaching. In fact, it's never mentioned again for the rest of the movie. Her laundry machine would've been perfect for the enchanted people who no longer have hands/fingers to wash the laundry. They could've dedicated maybe like 5 minutes in the story to show how the castle-folks accept Belle and her talents. Instead, they chose to waste time on mommy issues which so random and completely unnecessary. What was the point of us finding out that Belle's mom died of an illness? Or that she chose to die alone so Belle and her dad can be safe?? It doesn't even add any layer to Belle's character. Like HOW does that tie into the story at all? Animation from what I remember did not have questionable moments like this.
As for LaFou, I guess I'll give you that. But honestly I never thought he was gay. But then I never thought any of the villains were queer either so maybe I'm just bad at spotting queer characters. (It's not that I thought they were all straight/cis gender but more so that I never cared to question them.) IMO animation Lafou's sexuality is still ambiguous but then there's really no denying that Live action Lafou is gay.
Sorry for the rant. There are few movies that I hate with passion and this was one of them.
It's important to highlight that Scar AND Jafar were animated by Andreas Deja, a gay man. I think his silence and distance from these trash remakes compared to many other Disney Alum speaks volumes. This is erasure. I am still SALTY live action Ursula was such a lazy casting. Drag is so much more mainstream thanks to DragRace etc that it's inexcusable and offensive to her majesty, Divine who directly inspired her.
@@vikingsong2068 lmao wait till they hear about drag kings ... shits about to get real in the terf fandom
@@vikingsong2068 drag is literally a celebration of all things feminine lol. also- i dont think "womanface" is a thing
@@samuelfabe1s Drag looks like a caricature of the worst female stereotypes to me, not a celebration. im admittedly not too familiar with drag, and honestly it doesnt bother me but based on what ive seen, thats what it looks like. Genuine question, how is drag a celebration?
@@vikingsong2068 Good thing drag queens are men, not trans women...
@@meepmoop2308 That’s literally the point. You’re supposed to be a walking colorful exaggerated stereotype. Y’all know nothing about drag culture, and it shows.
Speaking as a former comedian who did impersonations, your Mickey Mouse was just fine.
I thought it was pretty good!
@@rrijsdijk yes, it was. It's recognizable and works for the joke.
Once Upon A Time's boringification of Ursula, especially after Ursula had already made an appearance, was when I first clocked the straightening. I am genuinely afraid for live action Hercules and Little Mermaid.
Especially since the Origin of the little Mermaid was a Love Letter from Andersen to His Male Love interest. Writing himself as the little Mermaid (and I Bet they don't even make Ursula to the Warning grandma)
For all it's faults you gotta give it credit for confusing the hell out of anyone who doesn't know the plot
In a deleted scene in the original Scar does try to make Nala his mate though. It's what leads her to run off and eventually stumble upon Simba because he was like "Be my wife or be ejected from the pride."
Yeah, obviously he's not actually gay. They said lefou was the first, so this guy is obviously not the first. Queer-coding is "gay is bad, villian is bad, gay mannerisms fit". None of these villains are actually gay.
Eee the age gap, and the fact that most lions are related to each other in real-world prides, when personified, makes that hella creepy.
@@r.j.penfold The way he _says_ it in the deleted scene already makes my stomach flip-flop...
It's kinda always been hinted at that Scar wanted Nala as the broadway play from 1997 in the song 'The Madness of King Scar' has a whole attempted rope scene between the two it's kinda freaky but also guiltily my favorite part of the song.
NOTE: There is a "joke" at the start of this video where I jokingly attempt to pronounce an actors name. The intention of the "joke" was to make fun of myself for my inability to properly pronunciation words and names, as I've been noted to do both in my everyday life and in other videos. However, after hearing criticism from many of you who watched the video, I realize that the joke comes across as othering and belittling, especially to many who have names that are often mispronounced or mispelt, often because they aren't names that are given notice by the world at large. I apologize for this badly thought-out stab at humor. I will endeavor to do better moving forward, and I thank you all for being so kind, yet honest with your criticism. I want to make work that advocates for everyone, especially those who who are most in need of being advocated for. Yet, I do, and still will, fall short of that goal at times, and I honestly appreciate it when those in the community hold me accountable, yet do so with the best of intentions. I thank you so much for your criticism, and I again apologize to you
Everybody makes bad jokes from time to time. It’s not that big a deal.
@@XXXXX8 unnecessarily mean my friend. Totally ok if you didn’t like the video though. ❤️ hope you’re having a good day tho and I wish you nothing but kindness today
@@XXXXX8 I talk about it in the video. They aren't GAY within the text of the film, they're queer coded, which does not mean that a character is explicitly gay, but that they are coded with stereotypically gay mannerisms and behaviors. This isn't to say that the streotyping was good, but that it was film shorthand comingg out of the Hays Code. Again, something I speak aobut in the video :)
@@XXXXX8 Why are you here? I think Jessie explained it pretty clearly in the video my guy
@@XXXXX8 Those old Disney cartoons are stuffed with gay innuendo! And if you think Elsa isn't a lesbian you're lying to yourself!
Setting aside the moral implications of specifically queer coding villains for a moment... I think it made their characters SO much more intriguing! Even as a cishet girl myself, I always ALWAYS liked the villains wayyyy more than the heroes in movies. The heroes were so incredibly bland and cookie-cutter (with only a few exceptions) whereas the villains were charismatic and interesting and, frankly, just looked cool. Why would I like Basic Muscle Hero Hercules when there was Flamboyant Gothic Flame Hair Hades???
Cis bloke and 100% concur. Hades n scar still my 2 fave villains. And Hades stole the movie to my mind. Timon n pumba stole the lion King for me, Scar was close second. :)
Tbh I always loved the female villains so much... As a straight girl I identified more with their confidence and badassery than the female protagonists except for mulan lmao
Edit also it may be that I am a closeted bi and had a crush on them but I haven't figured that out yet, so I just say that I am straight 😅
As a greek mythology fan, I was a little disappointed they westernized Zeus and Hades by making them the typical “God and Devil”, but Disney’s Hades makes up for this. I still can’t believe they made Zeus a genuinely nice guy, like, _WOW._
I should have known I was gay when the most memorable character from Hercules for me was meg. the main character doesn't even make it into the top 3 lol. he lost to Danny Devito.
Hades is a complete diva
The funny thing is, in the b-roll and behind the scenes footage of the film, Gaston (Luke Evans) was pretty blatantly seducing Lefou (Josh Gad), to get him to do what he wanted. It's wild to me that even though the actors were into it, it still didn't make the final cut. :P
Where can I find this?!? I wanna see it!
Bruh you gotta send
Do you have a link, I need to see this.
1:14 as a sudanese dude, can confirm, we do have cvs's in the sahara specifically for gay lions
😂😂 I love this, thanks for the laugh! I hope you're having a wonderful day! ❤
Honestly the Gay coding in a lot of characters made them a lot more likeable and realistic to me.
Just watched "Some Like It Hot" a few days ago and man. That movie is so gay. I know I shouldn't read too much into it, I know most of the gay/drag/psudo-trans stuff is meant to be just comedy... but it does close with a character being totally fine with it when he finds out his bride-to-be is a man.
Sorry, that has nothing to do with this topic, just thinking about how that came out while the Hays Code was still in full effect.
"I know most of the gay/drag/psudo-trans stuff is meant to be just comedy..."
Hey, there's no reason it can't be *both* gay and comedic.
guy from the end of some like it hot, what a bicon
From what I heard, that movie was the beginning of the end of the Hays Code.
I love the outfit, it's so cute!
It's a Nikki cosplay, is't it?
Yeah, it's adorable.
Serving Stewie Realness
So when Jafar is hypnotizing the Sultan with his snake staff does that mean he’s getting him to do what he wants by....with the Sultan? Oh mai! XD
"I already have my Mulan tickets pre-ordered"
Oh dear, how'd that go?
"Straightened up" is appreciated as a pun. That is all.
I actually will argue on the comparisons in the Scar’s.
While the animated version is fun and good he is so CLEARLY mustache twirling evil. Like everyone should have know he was evil.
In the “live-action” version he’s just talking but he actually sounds like a caring uncle and thus the threat works in the different way in how he can be seemingly loving and put together hiding literal murderous intent.
Not saying one is better than the other even though overall the “live-action” was clearly overall inferior but there were elements that worked in their own ways.
But I totally agree with about the live-action Jafar. God the actor gave a boring performance.
I’m late, but I disagree. The live action scar seemed more outwardly evil to me. Like, animated scar was so sassy and sarcastic that it would’ve been so easy for Mufasa and Simba to not take him seriously. Live action scar is just too serious, that all of his remarks couldn’t be seen as anything other than having evil intent. But that’s just the way I saw it. I’ve heard a lot of differing opinions on the matter.
But the thing about Jafar is so true
This gotta be the first time i read a defense of the live action movie
At least Scar's excuse for leading Simba to the gorge makes more sense in the live action
i haven't watched the live action and im prolly not ever going to do so. However, i did watch the live action version of "be prepeard", and even tho it was very different i still think it was done pretty well. Totally different vibe yet still ominous. He kinda seemed like a completly different character tho lol
Idk what the point of this comment was, i just thought the diffenrece in the songs were intresting
@Ty The Great it's bland. No vibrant colors until Simba is brought to the jungle. Also, since the animals are so realistic, they can't emote their feelings like they did in the animated version. Case in point: Mufasa's death
As a proud Ace I see Elsa as asexual as she stays single and is happy on/with herself, nice to see a rare example of my asexuality in a popular Disney movie. I loved she didn't have a love interest and stayed single at the end of both movies, a rare Disney choice for a Princess.
If they give her a love interest in the third film then I'm going to have a mental breakdown
Here in Sweden, Scar was voiced by the late Rikard Wolff, an actor and singer who not only was openly gay, but also looked so much like Scar in those days that you could have thought the character designers had based it on him.
Some were very offended by the fact a gay man was in a kids movie (sigh) but to the most part, people seemed to think he was perfect.
And for me, who were old enough with a strong enough gaydar to know about Rikard, I've always thought of Scar as him. A beautiful, proud gay man.
Maybe it's just my upbringing, but I always saw the gay coded characters as intelligent and condescending. I saw their mannerisms as acceptable, if bold. I kinda wish we could have that, plus explicitly gay characters, so that we have a wider range of behaviors in our culture. After all, not all gay folk have those mannerisms, so why limit the mannerisms to gay folk?
Honestly same.
honestly I'm happy with bland "straightened" villains - makes it easier for to ignore them and their terrible live action movies
But for some reason all my siblings love the live action Aladdin and it’s heartbreaking to know what was lost
Gaston is the gayest character of live action movie of Beauty and the Beast and its only because of Luke Evans
Luke Evans is valid oml
Which is kinda funny, as I'd pin him as the most straight coded classic Disney villain.
@@reisatee5504 Gaston is like... The Chaddest Disney character.
The whole Disney pandering to countries like China by making "representation" easy to edit out sucks. The whole star wars no-homo thing made me *so* mad
They can move out there if they want to suck the communist party off so much, after all those useless remaked I wouldn't miss them.
They also shrunk Finn on the Last Jedi poster for the same reason. And an even bigger slap to the face is they have the audacity to make pro-repesentation statements on Twitter while simultaneously cutting it from the Chinese version. The hypocrisy is overwhelming
The thing is Chinese media doesnt exist in some kind of Puritan state either, Id say they are more comfortable with queer coded characters that arent LGBTQ in the canon than Western media. Disney is just censoring themselves.
i know it's been a hot minute since this video dropped, but i just have to add since i rarely see anyone mention it: the actor for governor ratcliffe, david ogden stiers (also the original voice of cogsworth and major winchester on m*a*s*h) was gay himself. i don't know much about the details of his role in pocahontas, but i do know that, when beauty and the beast was released, cogsworth was very much seen as a stereotypically gay character. not sure if this was intentional, but it sparked a quiet controversy because, unlike the queercoded villains, he is not punished by the narrative nor demonized - he's one of the heroes and an instantly likeable character. and, unlike lumiere, he doesn't have a female love interest to brush any suspicions under the rug. not much was publicly said about this, but behind the scenes disney executives were chewing out stiers and trying to keep everything as quiet and innocent as possible. not much of a point here, but i do think it's interesting
I'd agree with this, because I too have always viewed Cogsworth as being gay at least subtextually.
Jafar loving mascara is culturel. North African, Middle-Eastern and South Asian men use to wear Khôl/Kajal (the traditional eye makeup on which the West based eyeliner and mascara) before these countries became more westernised.
Yeah I thought the Jafar thing was a bit of a stretch (especially with the snake part. I thought it was symbolic because Jafar is like a snake, personality wise). My grandma put Khol on my dad's eyes when he was little (they're Pakistani). It's not exclusively just a "feminine" thing.
@@mynameisreallycool1 Yes,the snake is absolutely symbolic of his personality and his mannerism is not that gay if you know anything about Middle-Eastern cultures. I'm of Pakistani/Indian origin too and my mom also use to put eyeliner on my brother,it is definitely not a gender thing.
Jessie: *talks about sexual perversion in Hollywood and starts naming off things*
TH-cam: Heres that hip swaying AFK Arens ad
I remember when I first watched Frozen as a tiny child, I was confused on whether Elsa and Anna were sisters or friends who were becoming lovers.
My friends always come at me for this, and hey man, i was tiny. But I genuinely did not catch the sister queues, and the line was repeatedly wobbling between the two.
Them being gay would have been so much better lmao, but sisterly love is nice too. I just hope they make Elsa gay
Actually, you might've been partially right. Frozen was originally intended to be a re-do of the Ice Queen story, where a (presumably evil) queen kidnaps the male half of a sibling pair and enchants him to be hers (either lover or son depending on the story). The sister goes on a quest to regain her brother and presumably learns some valuable lessons.
So yeah, originally, Elsa and Anna weren't meant to be sisters. I don't know why that changed, but it did. I guess maybe they left some of the original scenes unaltered if it didn't matter to the "sister" alteration? Cause yeah, there were definitely moments where I could say hey, yeah they're sisters because it fits in with my sisterly experiences, but then I remember that most of my sisterly experiences occurred with friends, not family...
@@draguta8995 Oh dang. The more you know. Thanks for telling me this :)
Jesse I bet you were a master at writing an essay. The way you present an argument is so eloquently laid out. You definitely would make a great Humanitarian Advocate / Lawyer.
Hear, hear!
Wait the only other The Great Mouse Detective enthusiast I've heard of is also trans ? Is the Great Mouse Detective a part of the trans agenda ? But yes this video is hilarious and interesting.
Not the only one and absolutely 😉
I adored the great mouse detective as a child (a wasp got into the vhs and got shredded in the vcr so the movie became unplayable), but i still remember the movie fondly and will watch it every once and a while. And i'm cis.
Although the movie is in my top 5, it's not my number 1. That falls to nightmare before christmas.
I’m trans nonbinary and I watched the Great Mouse Detective and loved it. So mostly.
Ahh, the hope we all had that Mulan wouldn't be a trashfire
Also I feel like another thing lost in the adaptation is that that the animated versions of these characters were actually like... animated? There's so much MOTION in the animated characters and the live action or "realistic" animated versions just feel so static by contrast
It's weird that in the US characters that act like Scar are considered gay. For most people in Europe he was just acting like a cunning fashionable Prince from like the 18th century.
Also,I always thought Big Ben was the gay one in Beauty and The Beast.
For a lot of Americans, European men are considered effeminate or gay so that makes sense
@@leahdavis9434 Which makes my point americans are weirdos.
Oh boy you are not ready for Gay or European.
@@cheezarose They are quoting this th-cam.com/video/XY9PmBNb3PE/w-d-xo.html
"Gay or European" from legally bloned
@@cheezarose, no I was referring to a song from legally blonde the musical
So could it also be the villains exhibit femininity because it is forbidden for men in a patriarchal culture and also the witch archetype where women’s reproductive “magical qualities” make them taboo? And Lefou comes across as a comedic foil.
Curious that they coded Scar as gay considering he's lion Claudius, aka "the guy who may have murdered his own brother to get with his wife".
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You know what I wanna see? An original gay character. Not an old character they turned gay, but a new and unique character to show that they truly care and not just throw them into a movie.
But as long as China is one of the biggest money gives Disney will not do that.
Luz Noceda and Amity Blight from The Owl House.
@@redd3797 is „The Owl house“ a series?
Such an innocent thing you said last year: "And if there's one thing Disney hates, it’s a controversy."
“Oh God, I’m sooo white...” 😂
"Scar is gay"
me: * has flashbacks of the deleted scene in which Scar is hitting on Nala * Are you sure about that
Queer coding doesn’t mean the character has to be explicitly gay. Plus there’s a reason it’s a deleted scene haha
Scar is clearly gay/coded. As Jessie pointed out, he admits marriage "somehow must have slipped my mind". -- He also never shows an interest in Sarabi, Mufasa's widow, after he takes over the pride. Anyone who knows anything about lions, knows that's the first thing a new pack leader does; kill the infants and drive the alpha female into heat. Scar was just an authoritarian and used the lionesses to hunt and pillage the region to scarcity -- although in nature, lionesses are naturally the hunters who bring home the bacon; just when they're not pregnant or nursing.
Plus assaulting a female isn't proof of straightness or gayness.
Ya, and it was cut for a reason.
@@theologyrules6146 Still just sounds like a literal committed bachelor to me...
Dammit I never thought Scar's name was short for Mascara.
"they ask me 'Marlene, are you a lesbian?' and I say 'yes'"
I always read Scar's flamboyancy as both a "fake nice" thing, and his way of mocking others, like "I'm so much smarter than you, so I have no need to get so worked up over anything". It makes his total switch to cold cruelty, anger, and outright terror all the more impactful. The jokes are done for Scar at those points. Not disagreeing or anything, just saying how Scar's came across to me in-character and such.
Since I came across this video, I just want to share something about the performance by Irons I've read about. When he does "Be Prepared" and yells "YOU WON'T GET A SNIFF WITHOUT ME!!!!!" that line was shouted so loud he actually _tore his own voicebox._ The rest of the song is done by Jim Cummings doing a dead-on impression of him.
Scar was gay af
Yet we're all ignoring pumba and timone being Simbas adoptive hippie dads
Me as a kid: Why do I like Scar so much?
Me as an adult bisexual transman:..... Oh. Oh. THAT'S WHY!
BRO SAME 💀😭
The most unacceptable act was getting rid of Li Shang my beautiful Bi-con. let's be real we loved Scar, Ursula, and Jafar more than the heroes they were all that and more, I miss sassy sarcastic icons. I watched
Raya and the last dragon and honestly I know it's not the basic Disney story but it wasn't that fun and I don't really like the frozen movies either.
The return of ‘See how I glitter’!! Iconic line for all Lindsay fans 💜
😂
As Kermit the Frog once said, "You can't beat the classics. You can only destroy 'em"
I would hazard a guess that you've seen the documentary "The Celluloid Closet". (And don't get me started on ScarJo, please.)
I have. And yeah, ScarJo... is certainly something!
I just started watching the video and damn the bit with the lion mouths got a genuine chuckle out of me.
Gosh I love Jessie so MUCH 🤣 Her videos are such a serotonin boost.
Jessie if you're seeing this, you're wonderful 💙
The Great Mouse Detective gets an extra layer of fun if you watch it with the head-canon that Basil and Rattigan are ex-boyfriends and Rattigan is just constantly trying to one-up Basil because he's not over him.
Chew-uh-tell edge-ee-uh-fore.
SixArmedSweater try Indian and Persian names, those are much harder.
i thought it was chew-uh-tell edge-ee-aw-fore !
One character that the Hayes code ruined was Dorothy from TWWoO. In the books she's pretty strong and independent for an 8 yo girl dropped in the middle of what is basically a revolution. In the film she's relying on everyone else for help 90% of the time
What does that have to do with being gay though?
@@mynameisreallycool1 nothing. But u have to admit that they not only ruined Dorothy but poor Judy Garland as well
Disney, please stop these remakes. Stop it. MAKE MORE 2D ANIMATED FILMS IF YOURE GOING TO JUST THROW RESOURCES AND MONEY AROUND LIKE THAT
"I've already got my Mulan tickets preordered"
Ahhh. That was unwise. For many reasons.
When the whole "first gay character for disney" was being shown everywhere I slipped up and said "you telling me olaf, hades, and scar aren't gay?" Infront of my mother she looked exactly like: 👁👄👁
Being dramatic means they're gay?
Before anyone says anything I'm obviously not against the lgbtq, I support it I just think these characters were dramatic not gay but you can interpret whatever you want, they are fictional ^-^
We aren’t saying they are gay, they are gay coded, gay rep wasn’t allowed back in the day so they instead used common things that were seen as gay to indicate the character was gay.
Also, as a 2D animator my problem with the live action reboots. is that they feel like a slap to the face to the folks who originally worked on the films.
I dont know about Sher Khan.
Hes probably the empathis of "Im not Gay, im just british". But who knows, im fine eighter way.
I remember watching Lion King and finding it strange, probably because it is so strange to change from such lively and expressionful animation to such a bland live-action. Some scenes can look nice, but all the characters seemed... bland.
I think it is more then just de-gaying, but it is also just more realistic but blander cinematography. But I only really watched the live-action Lion King, but similar criticisms have been made by people better then I could for the other movies.
SPOILERS for a movie that has been out for years.
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But I shouldn't be chuckling at Mufasa's deathscene as he twirls around in the sky, with a fall that looks so small.
That is a setback of live-action.
Don’t hate me, but I personally am n out impressed with most of the live action remakes. I just feel that they lack creativity and imagination, and are just cash grabs. Not trying to offend here, just my opinion
Everybody thinks that!
I think the key thing that changed was there’s no personality back then they have a lot of it however there doesn’t seem to be any personality to any of the live action Disney remakes.
Sure characters like Scar and Jafar we’re very flamboyant in their personalities Jafar in the original cartoon movie was also misogynistic, remember his first line to Jasmine when she was told she’s going to marry him is:
“Speechless I see a fine quality in a bride.”
And he was insistent on her falling in love with him even trying to make it a wish.
So I think it’s less that they’re gay and more that they just have personality.
Holy-
I was NOT prepared for a reference drop of _12 Years a Slave_
WoAh.........
you can’t keep doing this I’ve already subscribed to you onCe
"Make... Make do money again." is the best tagline for Disney ever
i mean... a sexuality is not a personality so.. how is that important to a movie?
Well...depends on what you mean. If you ask, why representation is important then I would say it simple, so people could see themselves in the heroes and see that there is nothing wrong with different orientation, like, what does the straightness of a character add to story? Also not much, so this is not a very good point against representation.
If you meant the way a villain behaves in the movie and how it has to do with sexuality, then it was answered in the video actually. Such behavior, that is seen as feminine or "theatrical" was more of a stereotypical gay behavior and most of the time, this "gayness" was added to the character, so he would seem more foreign and less sympathetic, because, he "is" gay and is associated with gay behavior. (I hope I could explain that right)
@@panlover8734 i mean... a sexuality does not make you any different, its not like bravery or strenght.. it is not because you are gay or straight or whatever that you are good or bad at something. Only the story matter and the characters accomplishments Or lessons they teach us. this is what i mean
and i think people use to take straight simpily because it doesnt add anything and its simple if you want basic, kids sometimes do not even understand the concept of sexuality, watching shows with straight or gay does not make you change who you like or feel and i think its really picky to step on this.
if you want to make a sexuality special then make a movie just based of this.
because to me if like you telling me because you know how breathing you have to be special.... no you are normal.
@@panlover8734 and i feel more weird and disturbed when people have to fight over kids characters sexual orientations and stuffs like that when they are most of time supposed to be neutral . . . and why when people watch a movie or a show their first thoughts are to know who they sleep with... or who they identify as it is insane to me.
I most of the time been told that straight people have this kind of behavious, by judging people or charaters on the their sexuality.... but no its reversed.
as long i spent a good time watching a movie..who care??
This all i had to say.
@@ayanokawanegucci7230 well...we don't judge. Like, I still enjoy movies where I do not know anything about the orientation. It is nice when movies have some LGBT characters and for some people it is just important. How do I describe it. It is like, for example people who have some mental illnesses, do movies "need" them and does it add something to the plot/character, and yes and no, it depends on the movie. It can be just a background character but it is representation, so people with this problems arent "erased" and can see that they also are seen as human beings.
It is not wrong if you do not care about the orientation of the characters, it's great and of course, the movie is not automatically wonderful if there is an LGBTQ character but it can help some kids to see that this is normal too. Yes, they are "neutral" at the beginning but orientation is not a choice and they can realise that they arent straight. This is way representation is important, so they know, that they are not "wrong".
In the late 90s or early 00s, McDonald’s released a three volume compilation series of Disney songs. They had: “Buddy Songs”, “Hero Songs”, and “Villain Songs.”
I owned all three, but I only wore ONE of the tapes out...
As a young gay, I never got the message that “gay = villain”. If anything, I understood that “gay = the most interesting part of the story.” (And, at a certain point, the only part worth watching.)
The thing is though, the queer community still loves queer villains. I almost never seen people saying it’s problematic because it’s so ingrained in gay culture. Now we have characters like Dr. Venomous and Box Man from O.K K.O, Catra and Double Trouble from the She Ra reboot, Pauline from Dead End: Paranormal Park, Lego Batman’s Joker, and tons of villains from the Hellaverse that are all either queer coded or openly gay and beloved in their respective communities. I don’t expect a corporation to know this and I do think that the removal of the coding was done with good intentions (or purely for profit, either way) but if you’re gonna remove the coding you’re gonna have to give them a completely new personality and at that point just make a new character.
"She's being weird"
Cute lol
Live action scar looks like he's just Simba's sickly uncle who straight up told him a place to practice his roar. I haven't watched the live action and had no idea about scar want to put Simba in danger by telling him about that roar practice place.
This video made me think of my favorite gay villain, which is a woman from an anime that came out in 2017.
From the very first moment she appears on screen, she draws everyone's attention, and you can't help thinking she's super cool, even if it's obvious by her design that she's "evil". And i think a great part of what makes her especial is the way she dresses and talks and moves that seem to scream "I'm gay", so if she was straight, that just wouldn't have the same effect.
That said, although she's technically punished at the end (she goes to jail), it is implied that her sentence won't be long since she redeemed herself at the end, AND she also reconciles with her ex (girl)friend. I really wished Disney would do something like this.
Personally, I dont think we can assume them to be gay just because of their maneirisms.
But anyway, interesting and entertaining video as always.
She's not making the point that they're gay. What she's saying is, that, due to the history of the Hayes code and gay representation, it's very likely that these characters were written with the intent of queer coding. It's pretty obvious in the case of Ursula and Divine (look it up! It's really interesting!). They're not inherently gay, but they're "coded" in such a way.
@@StarrySeal Oh I got it now😁
Thanks for having the patience to explain it to me.
I like my villains (and anti-heroes, i.e. Garak) kind of camp. It seems like camp fell out of fashion after the 90s and early 00s?
I miss camp, too. Oddly, it was a way of showcasing gay characters while degrading them.
Batak was supposed to be gay, but Berman changed that. There is scene where Garak is trying to seduce Bashir I don't think they still show that now.
I'm curious how they would have made the villain on "Wish," not look queer coded, considering how many people felt like he fell short as a villain.
“Make...make... make do money” lmao
For anyone who's watched The Untamed, it's so obvious that the two guys love each other, especially if you know anything about the source material. You'll see a scene where a guy and girl stare deeply into each other's eyes with soft music playing, then a scene a bit later with the two guys.
And yet! And yet i know people who look at them and think "they're such good friends" like they don't see what's right in front of them.
When I found out that Ursula was based on / inspired by a literal drag queen, it definitely created some... stirrings in me as I remembered her being my favorite character as a young boy and would even role-play as her playing with other kids acting out scenes from the movie. I mean, if I didn't know before that I was trans, that definitely gave me a big push.
I now understand why,as a lesbian,I loved villains
Okay but don't forget about Maleficent being made straight and boring. Took away her dragon form, her villainy, AND her lesbianism.
I always appreciate it a lot when people make profiles for a villain character in order to talk about them with said profile 👌
I never realised just how flat and bland the live action version were.
There's no cinematography, no direction, no one changes the tone of their voice.
It's like watching a table read.
Fun fact: lions are like, the most gay animals
(Don’t correct me on that I think it’s right)
Penguins and swans are gayer. Albatrosses too💕
@@giovy1922 I was wondering if I should just say “one of” XD
@@giovy1922 and don't forget dolphins
I WAS SO UPSET WITH THE LIVE ACTION JAFFAR. HE DIDN’T HAVE ANY. ANY! EYELINER.