Yeah, I really do not believe that these developers are gamers, as they just do not get it. I was hoping on some good class buffs, and these really do not do it, at least not that I can see.
This is astounding how badly they are blowing this season and xpac. They just brought a ton of people back to play the new xpac. Then decided to shit out the worst season yet. Now mid season they are just doing the bare minimum? Do they not want people to play this anymore? Wtf are they doing?!
@@ShuShuKing the season mechanic is supposed to be following that big lumbering guy along and going into the realm portal he carries and doing shit. Is it worth a damn? No. Do they care? No. Blizzard got the expansion $$$ which is all they care about proven by them allowing the spiritborn to release and continue the way it has been for obvious pay to win.
PTR is out by the end of the month, so if it goes up for long enough, they kinda do. But I get your point, this killed all hope of season 6 being something else than Spiritborn and facepalming through content.
Players : Classes are bugged, game is bugged, everything in game makes us quit. Manager at Blizzard : I think we should offer them a 20£ mount themed for Christmass this will 100% give them the will to play ! 🎉🎉🎉😊
While it's understandable that they didn't nerf Quill and SB gear that players spent days and weeks to acquire (Rod, Shroud, etc.), they could've at least bug fixed the class rather than just leave everything as is.
U realize fixing the bugs would nerf that build into the ground or no? Take off viscous shield and druid barrier rune see how much u hit for. It's kinda funny tbh how little damage in comparison u will see lol
@@zachfern3190that's it, blizzard idea about the buffs and overall endgame progression is. Make the boss with more hp, make dmg numbers higher. They have no ducking clue how to make endgame.
This campfire was more like a TH-cam ad, i skipped it half way. It was very underwhelming and the fact that the grind for max aspects; making new builds etc is too tedious. Im burned out.
Novel idea(s) here: Fix all major/game breaking bugs always, immediately. Buff all underperforming skills/classes while making class balance and potential for build variety a priority. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@Gpsi861 The vocal "blasters" on the interwebs hated it. And Blizzard all too readily gave in to their shouting. That's the reason why there's constant power creep. Won't be long until we see affixes like "+50,000% damage" like we did in Diablo 3. They had the same approach then. Proper balance MUST include nerfs, otherwise you are constantly raising the base line. It's not rocket science, but the whingers who shout the loudest have long ruined any hope for reasonable Player character power in this game. I might take another look when (if) they release another expansion. Maybe then they'll have come to their senses and completely overhauled the mathematics and design behind damage scaling in the game. Chances for that are close to 0, so most likely I'm done with the game. The "blasters" will probably love it. Good for them, but it's just not my cup of tea.
In my opinion it's kind of a stupid philosophy to not nerf / fix broken stuff for 3 months. I wanted to give the spiritborn another try after midseason patch because i didn't want to play a broken class. Achievements feel worthless when it's clearly not working as intended. But now i guess i'll have to wait for season 7. And why are we in this mess? Because some people cried when blizz did some nerfs back in season 1. I refuse to believe that more people care about "power fantasy" and "breaking the game" than proper game / class balance. Seems to me blizzard listened to the loudest minority in the room. 😒
Not even a single mention of the one thing that has plagued this game since season 0... DUPES! Why? Here's my guess, they dont know how to fix it so much easier to pretend that it doesnt exist.
This campfire felt like a step backwards. We just complained about bad events and they are bringing a super boring one that was not well received at first place. It felt like an unnecessary stream. They could have just released the patch notes and made the season 7 stream
It's insane that they are commiting to keep spiritborn stronger than the other classes by a factor for 10 000 or more, until next season, and that they're gonna do the same for similar situations in the future. Just insane.
It makes sense.... People have put in a couple 100 hours, billions into their spiritborn and to suddenly nerf it mid season is demoralising and just bad. Nerf/balance start of next season.
it's entirely reasonable. If you screw over people who have invested a ton of time into their chars that is suddenly very VERY much worse off, you piss off a lot of people who end up outright quitting the game as a result. People quitting your game based on something you did to them post-fact is bad business.
No it's not. If people spent a hundred hours grinding for a class and build then they wreck it those people are gonna quit and be furious. It's always been the case that they should just leave strong stuff people are having fun with until the next season.
@@dnjago Yet, they never gave a second thought to screwing over virtually everyone who enjoys playing the core game on Eternal. What it comes down to is that they have decided that the old D3 players are their target audience and that what those players want is not power creep but power avalanche and they are going to give it to them. Nerf is a dirty word and the answer is always buff everything.
grinding and doing the same things over and over is the essence of ARPG's .. cant blame D4 for that, its the same in Path of Exile or Last Epoch or any other game... but the big difference is that its just not fun and there is zero variance and nearly no progress in D4 compared to other ARPGs (Maps/Atlas in PoE or Monoliths in LE) so the fundamental part of the game gets overwhelmingly boring after a day or two max..
Community has given tons of good feedback that is never being addressed, they are just blindly looking at the numbers they collect which rearly represents the actual reality, specially when creating builds. Class balanace in this game is some of the worst I have seen, they keep nerfing some of the viable builds to the grund. They are apparently very happy with all classes can push pit 100 with just a few builds, what about all other builds? Where is the build diversity? Agree on that they never are fixing the fundamental issues instead they are just throwing around some numbers. So tired of blizzard and D4, so glad POE2 is coming soon
Its not just the class balance, the class fantasy as well. Just 1 examplem. Rogue new skill DoK can not benefit any of the specialization unless you sometimes stop spinning to cast basic skills or you get druid ultimate rune to cast it some way to proc preparation. While if you look at Spiritborn, every spell can benefit from any of the spirit hall no matter what you choose.
Hey, wudi. Can you help me understand this. Rogue is currently Rapid Fire > Rain Of Arrows > Flurry > DOK Snapshot in terms of strength. What are we expecting happening after these changes. Am I correct in expecting Rain Of Arrows > Flurry > Rapid Fire > DOK... or does DOK Snapshotting switch to DOK Victimise and is more powerful than either of the 3 priors?
Well, rogue really struggles to speedfarm t100 for glyph so they actually did what they said- closed the gap between SB and buffed the strongest key passive so rain of arrows and RF gonna feel great.
I really like the barb changes because improving the leveling experience of the barb mid season is really what the we needed. thanks to the 20% stronger core skills I can open 27 whisper caches way faster. and at the top end it allows us to clear a pit 73 with rend and not just a 72. season saved guys. at least they know their craft
What has me worried most about this chat is that they said these class changes would be the power state of all the classes including SB (with S7 nerfs) next season, and these buffs really do not make me want to jump on that wagon. Oh well, we will see once the patch hits, maybe I am not seeing something that may end up to be good.
Pretty disapointed with Blizzard. I think the deeper issues below all of this is that there are too many modifiers and multipliers and too much rng. As a result, Blizzard is spending all of its time trying to fix these and has no time to make new modes, monsters, events, etc...
a nice example is a legendary aspect getting multiple times stronger from 1/21 to maxed out... and some scale of it and multiplay again, and then paragon. glyphs, uniques, tempering,...
Agree Wudi, either they don't know how to fix these fundamental issues like boss dmg on sorc and rogue or they just don't care. No good events and no duping fixes and the aspect roll hunt is so XD. Tired of giving feedback on deaf ears and I'm sure the community is also.
You know, at this rate I wish they would just massively buff all abilities so we can make whatever crazy builds we want. At least then all characters would be playable. Imo skill trees have so many unused abilities because there is always a meta build that's infinitely stronger. Every damage dealing ability should feel powerful and the majority right now don't.
Everyone keeps saying they dont want spiritborn nerfed bc oh no ive put so much effort and mats into my broken spiritborn build.. so say they fix the bugs what exactly will u change? Will u stop stacking life on an overpower build? Will u not take the viscous shield legendary node all of a sudden? Will u not stack resolve bc block chance is capped at 100 percent? No if you actually think about it these broken quill volley builds will be built roughly the same way just wont be as broken still probably strongest build in the game
Here's the problem... The vast majority of players, especially anyone still playing at this point, are casuals who are just copying a build from a video they watched or a website they looked at... They don't understand what is actually happening with the various bugs, how it's all interacting together, they're just playing and having fun. So they don't play for a few days and the mid-season patch drops and now, for reasons they don't understand, the character and build that was one-shotting Duriel suddenly takes two minutes to kill him, they get murdered on pit tiers they were crushing the week before and they don't understand what happened. Then they hear SB was "nerfed" in the mid-season patch, they hate Blizzard and never touch this game again. That's not a good strategy if you're a "for-profit company" like Blizzard. Sure it sucks for people like Wudi, but the VAST majority of the players are not no-lifing the game, blasting 8-12 hours a day, already 300 Paragon with near-perfect gear. Also, I don't think block chance is supposed to be capped at 100%. The reason I say that is simple math. Let's say you have the Interdiction Aspect at 10% block chance per Resolve stack. Default Resolve max stack is 8, Gorilla Spirit Hall secondary gives 2 more, and then a temper on one gear piece without any masterworking gives you another 2, for a total of 12. 12 times 10 is 120. I'm not saying it (block chance) shouldn't have a cap, but I don't think the intended cap was EVER meant to be 100%, because the example I gave above is EASILY achievable by anyone and that exceeds 100 without even including the 45% implicit on an Ancestral quarterstaff. So I don't think it's meant to be capped at 100, or else EVERYONE at Blizzard is TERRIBLE at math and NOBODY knows how to use a calculator either.
@@jedirayden The thing is real casuals dont even do any high pits or even duriel / Bosses, i have a friend who is the definition of casual, he just reached level 60 with his first character this season. Dont use casuals as an excuse for this. They are not the problem, the problem are people who say they are casual while playing every day and just want to feel overpowered because they just look for the FOTM Builds. These people are not casuals.
My relationship with D4: Me: "Hey, i like this game. Here's some things that aren't fun." Blizzard: "Ok, great. Those parts don't need to be fun. Try this other thing." Me: "But I like this thing. Can't this thing just be better?" Blizz: "We hear you, but we think you're wrong. Just try this 🙂" Me: *uninstalls*
PoE2 is going to be a breath of fresh air... I'm tired of the half ass effort Blizzard puts on D4. Season 6 had no story and was simply just an extremely boring event. I had huge hopes but the expansion took all the hope I had out of me.
I want to love Diablo 4, and I do love a lot about the game, but the things I dislike seem to be growing more and more difficult to ignore, that being the powercreep. I know powercreep is inevitable, but seriously, we're doing billions and even trillions of damage...come the fuck on... And I want interaction and synergy with my abilities. I want combos, I want to play my class. I don't want to play "hold the "I win" button". I don't mind that there are low-effort builds, but they are vastly dominant to a stupid degree right now. It's frustrating because this is also a live-service that's open world where many activities involve other players, so when everyone and their grandma are using the low effort builds, as they naturally will because they are effective, it just becomes extremely boring to play and interact with the world. But hey, on the bright side, this means I may actually just buy myself into the Path of Exile 2 beta!
am I living in some alternate reality. I keep seeing and hearing the sentiment that "season 5 was so great, season 6 sucks." Yet, I distinctly remember in season 5 people complaining about how little there was to do, how it sucked, how infernal hordes were boring, etc. New season has way more to do + Infernal hordes still exist + every class solid (except for SB being super OP) i just dont really get this outrage. 2 weeks ago everyone was agreeing that s6 was the best season so far, and nothing has changed since then, so ? Like is nostalgia that strong of a drug or are people just really that forgetful? And idk what people really expected from the mid-season patch. No other ARPG does a big mid-season content drop. POE doesnt do it, Last epoch doesnt, d2, d3, torchlight, etc. No other ARPG does a big content drop in the middle of a season, so why are we expecting D4 to have that? It was ALWAYS just going to be nerfs and buffs, thats all it was ever going to be and thats all it ever has been in past seasons.
Some people just wanna complain. Diablo 4 could cure cancer after playing it for 15mins , and you would have people online talking about how the game sucks so bad they'd rather just take chemo
most people have the memory of goldfish and will just parrot whatever view their fav celebrity says. Season 5 had a few moments but definitely overall sucked. Most the core problems with the game then are still core problems with the game now. You're not misremembering.
S4 was the only good season because there were multiple, viable builds and they actually did what the community has been screaming for. S5 was just a s6-lite - trash with hordes but no spiritborn.
I never heard people say Season 5 was so great, dont know where you got that from, people just sticked with it because VoH was on the Horizon.. it sucked and everyone knows it.. but Season 6 is even worse, so in comparison season 5 was "good" .. as stated here season 4 was the one people liked. And not even fixing bugs for the whole season is just the worst thing i ever witnessed in a video game.. just crazy.
You didn't even mention the new enemies prolly because they will explode into pieces by trillions of dmg. Good thing POE2 is about to be playable and bring actual combat back.
Ultimately, all the classes are going to need to have the same type of overhaul and TLC that the Spiritborn got. The game is fundamentally different than it was at base launch, but the classes hadn’t changed to catch up outside of changing up numbers. But, like everything else with D4, there isn’t a roadmap to doing this, so who knows.
I quit a few weeks ago cuz I was bored of the crapborn, and now I see this today... Well I guess I'm not coming back for any more this season. See you next season. Pathetic devs can't even balance THEIR OWN GAME
The thing is really doubt they will get this fixed for season 7.. really looking forward to wudijo's opinion on the Season 7 PTR, i guess it will be a dumbsterfire and i know i wont touch this game until something fundamentally changes. VoH and Season 6 were a huge step back for D4
this is my main issue with all class, for an average player like me, killing bosses is really hard, I only managed to kill Lilith at T1 in this season (s6) for the first time lol with spiritborn. boss damage kill/buff is really neended for lot of class builds.
What's the matter of a live service game if they dont address and fix the problems immediately? The only thing what they achieved with the live service thing is that the game crushes because the flashy effects they intended to add for spells.
Their insistence of sticking to what some MMOs do with their updates is going to be the death of this game the second a competitor comes out with a more enjoyable product and does updates/balance changes on a faster schedule. Hopefully they take some of the feedback that players and streamers gave as a blueprint for S7.
strongly agree on the worry that D4, which is a great game, is slowly being eroded by the devs constantly buffing and never nerfing. Skills are buffed at the season launch and mid-season every skill that didn't increase also gets buffed. In a few years D4 will be D3 all over again. Impale +75.000% here we come
They are already in full transformation to D3 it feels like. The Damage Numbers, only buffing not nerfing, now Torment Difficulties, bringing back gamemodes from D3 (Pit being Greater Rifts) ... it will be Full on D3 soon enough instead of being its own game.. kinda sad.
Necro needs Core skill buffs, Shadow and Shadow DoT buffs. Its literally all Blood/OP that rules Necro atm. Those 2 uniques are garbage and will remain garbage.
It's like they're actively trying to kill Diablo IV and all it's future... it feels like they don't understand ARPG's and how to balance them. Spiritborn being so utterly broken and not being fixed within a few days is what ruined this entire season for me.
Upgrade Glyphs exclusively in the (Garbage) Pit. Raise World Difficulty exclusively after Pit leveling. What is with the fixation on the Pit? Is D4 becoming an arena style game? I do Whispers BECAUSE I am all over the map. From Ked Bardu to Orbei Monestary to lvl 1, pick up skull, all devoid of monsters. Is the D4 campaign becoming Myst? Open Dungeon B with materials from Dungeon A that is opened with materials from????
Wudi I am truly sorry for people like you trying their best in this game. Which Is in core very good I think. But I quit this game after Yesterday And not coming back. I am done supporting these devs who just laughs in our face. See ya all people in PoE2 ... Bye
I feel like they had their “A Team” build the fundamental Diablo 4, then gave it to lower skilled devs to build upon. There’s no way that a game with this much backing can continually screw up its future this bad without actual reason(s). There has to be something more going on behind the scene. Either way, game is still beta.
Blizzard has failed to achieve meaningful ballance consistently. If they say they're doing nothing to balance classes meaningfully now, then there is 0 chance that anything can be balanced by season 7. It is a mess that will take them multiple seasons to work out while they're being so cowardly about making meaningful changes in the short term. Maybe the game will be worth playing in season 11, probably not before that
Basically, mighty throw will be even better thorns the same, whirlwind dust devils the same earthquake builds the same. Buff core skills that do zero damage EVERY SiNGLE BUILD relies on earthquake and dust devils to do damage besides mighty throw. And if they only buff that aspect, and core skills it does literally NOTHING. The devs are so out of touch they have no idea what to do. They pick the top build and buff that and sun touch anything else. I've played thorns barb every season and it's very bitter sweet. We always lose something huge but gain something that makes it easier to get the boost that would have helped had they not nerf it. You have a rune to proc earthquakes for you so you can use rumble but they nerfed it. They buffed the health scaling of doombringer but needed and removed imposing presence. They give thorns a new key passive but it requires you to spend fury which thorns barb doesn't want to do, and you must have shouts up but they need bold chieftains. It's like they just slowly go down in power but have an increase in quality of life to make it easier to get the buffs but the buffs aren't buffs anymore like WHAT
They were talking about season 2, ball lightning, that build was so awesome and strong and unique, it was fun. Blizzard acknowledged that they didn't nerf it cause they want the focus to make the game fun, that was the messaging they understood, but they are not following through. That's what I want, cool new different unique interactions and stuff like ball lightning. Fun. idk I thought they understood this. I want new stuff not same stuff with different numbers.
Not gonna lie. Blizz released patch that destroyed the game performance a couple weeks ago, and I’ve not played since, and do not miss the game. Might be the end of my D4 days until next Aus winter.
I think it would have been cool to remove the Spiritborn bugs for the midseason patch and be a little more drastic with the buffs to other classes. Really shaking up the balance so far into the season would give a solid reason to jump back in, while casual players who don’t abuse the bugs wouldn’t notice much of a difference. They could have framed it as a sort of season 6.5 and set that as an expectation for future mid season patches. I understand people not wanting to have their builds nerfed, but I think the majority of players have done what they wanted to do (clearing Pit 150 in 2 minutes) with the crazy Spiritborn builds at this point Also would have liked to see a minor content drop like the Varshan rings from season 2, just to give some new builds to explore. New runes or legendary aspects would have been cool too.
I hope they nail it. I've kind of given up hope on the D4 team. I'll keep checking back, but I already know I'll be disappointed with their mediocre efforts
I’m just giving POE1 a try because I’m so f*cking tired of D4s hyper overpowered Spiritborn jumping around everywhere.And I have to say that POE 1 massively delivers on all fronts. I wish I had tried it sooner. Could have saved me a lot of disappointment. D4 is so underwhelming in comparison, it’s not even funny.
The fact they actually think that maybe giving the other class' skills some 10, 15, 20% damage boosts here and there is somehow going to equalize anywhere close to the spiritborn, while also putting bandaid fixes on all the other glaring issues... Yeah this game is cooked lmao, after exhausting Last Epoch PoE2 can't come soon enough.
Seriously? Spiritborn is doing hundreds of _TIMES_ more damage than others and I get a fucking 10% boost? That's like your parents praising your sibling for just existing then looking over at you and saying "Oh? Are you still here?"
They are clearly too frightened to buff all non-spirit classes by any "Meaningful" amount. This makes playing anymore season 6 to be a pointless effort. It's good to hear though, that they are finally going to try to diversify some classes so there is more than just 1 competitive build in each class. * All effects, whether singular or Composite should have absolute CAPS, like Armor and resists. For example, No Cool-down should ever be able to be low enough to activate an item 100% of the time. * Super Rare items should be vastly more important in differentiating your ultimate power, as opposed to paragon points and no one should be able to craft such an item. Only the gods provide.
I think they mentioned that they were showing a part of the buff, not the all list so there will be more than what they said/ showed. There also should be some changes to ancestral drops, maybe it will be good. But nothing about masterworks, dupe, and boss farm.
I was running a bleed barb with the butchers cleaver but the rupture bleed pool from Crimson Fields stop working but now I think I’m going to do it with werewolf druid
How many xpacs it is gona take for d4 to have ANY endgame ? Fundamentally nothing changed from game start - u get ur build going aaaaand...there is nothing to challenge u in the game . Makes everything really pontless , why grind paragons , why get perfect rolls , why get aspects maxxed out ? Holy shit there is no leaderboards still in the game , no armory STILL . and yet they somehow sold me xpac already . Only content that keeps coming out with good speed is skins in shop , Even the events they do is so god damn inspired right ? Log in and visit shop to claim reward , amazing .
what is stupid is all the buffs are IF you get the ancestral codex maxed and as we know they are almost impossible to get - so they are ALL pointless IMO - total waste of time, these devs are slowly killing this game, very poor
I wish they would nake up their mind about how victimize should work. I mean pre season 4 it was trash, then (due to bugs) it became one of the best skills and people loved it, then they nerfed it again and it became trash, then in the PTR it was good again, in season 6 they re-nerfed it, now they are buffing it again. Make up your mind. And it's not only about damage, it's also how the mechanics of it work with the cooldown.
proof that blizzard doesnt care about balance and only care about protecting their beloved dlc content, I for one refuse to buy it ever.....they 100% lose me as a player for good when path of exile is released.
We will see the change in the patch note but I don’t get why they are not fixing SB. As expected I’ll see you guys in the next season, nothing worth playing here.
So after paying for the game and expansion Blizzard tells me, "Sorry the game is going to remain utterly busted for a few months" So much for the advantages of a live service game... Back to diablo 3. I won't spend another dime on this sh!tshow.
This campfire exceeded my expectations, I expected garbage and they gave me the whole dumpster
I think d4 believes they are too big to fail
Yeah, I really do not believe that these developers are gamers, as they just do not get it. I was hoping on some good class buffs, and these really do not do it, at least not that I can see.
@zachfern3190 When I saw the VoH launch campfire and they introduce a transgender female (a man) on their team, i know D4 is doomed.
@@Abber64 why do they always think just giving everything a 10 to 20 percent buff fixes all the class unbalance
@@ludwigtheholyblade777 …..and only to skills that aren’t used
The changes to Rogue show that they just fundamentally don't understand their own game. Either that or they just don't care.
ofc you do understand youre the brilliand mastermind XDD fucking randoms
Both I think.
It's more like they have a big console with buttons in front of them and randomly press some in the hope that something will change.
This campfire could have been an Email....
@@Metallicahardrocker Campmail
This is true, they probably shouldn't have made this campfire chat, just release some patch notes and do one only for season 7.
Perfect statement. Now I understand why it went straight to my junk folder
This is astounding how badly they are blowing this season and xpac. They just brought a ton of people back to play the new xpac. Then decided to shit out the worst season yet. Now mid season they are just doing the bare minimum? Do they not want people to play this anymore? Wtf are they doing?!
It wasnt realls bigger than past seasons according to google trends, cheers.
i dont even know what is part of new xpac and what is supposed to be season mechanic? anybody? xD
@@ShuShuKing the season mechanic is supposed to be following that big lumbering guy along and going into the realm portal he carries and doing shit. Is it worth a damn? No. Do they care? No. Blizzard got the expansion $$$ which is all they care about proven by them allowing the spiritborn to release and continue the way it has been for obvious pay to win.
So they don't want us to play d4 in the Dec holidays, ok, POE2 it is
PTR is out by the end of the month, so if it goes up for long enough, they kinda do. But I get your point, this killed all hope of season 6 being something else than Spiritborn and facepalming through content.
Players : Classes are bugged, game is bugged, everything in game makes us quit.
Manager at Blizzard : I think we should offer them a 20£ mount themed for Christmass this will 100% give them the will to play !
🎉🎉🎉😊
That would probably work tbh just look at the amount of idiots in town with the wings that you had to spend the price of a full game for
Blizz doesn't understand the problems within each class because they don't actually play the game.
@@shinestar2912 this was evident when they had the 2 dudes from s1 run around with their barbs using only basic skills and no potions.
They play their game, but they don't understand what they're playing. They're casuals
Or they only play what they gotta sell
They play the game, they've just never played any good ones.
While it's understandable that they didn't nerf Quill and SB gear that players spent days and weeks to acquire (Rod, Shroud, etc.), they could've at least bug fixed the class rather than just leave everything as is.
U realize fixing the bugs would nerf that build into the ground or no? Take off viscous shield and druid barrier rune see how much u hit for. It's kinda funny tbh how little damage in comparison u will see lol
@@MrJeetkundo I can't wait for S7 when there will be nerfs on top of the bug fixes. Would be awesome!
So basically a lack luster update. They just want to throw band-aids on wounds that require stitches.
What do you mean the game is bleeding badly, and the ambulance is 40 minutes away.
Basically increases of 10% to 30% thats it. "Buffs"
@@Antagonisten and we have to pay for it like murica's basic healthcare
@@zachfern3190 im guessing everyone will go up 1 or 2 pit levels with those lackluster buffs
@@zachfern3190that's it, blizzard idea about the buffs and overall endgame progression is. Make the boss with more hp, make dmg numbers higher. They have no ducking clue how to make endgame.
D4 can be summed up as. Fool me once, shame on you. Fool me twice shame on me.
Or in this case fooled y'all about 6 x now
“...It’s not difficult to deceive me, I’m happy to be deceived myself...” a Russian classical poet.
i can't believe i defended this game for 1.5 years
time to hop on the poe2 hype train
Lol nah you can stay there since you defended it so long
Lol bro same I had high hopes and expectations after seasons 2 and 4 but it’s been dookie since.
"At least it's something, I guess." Sums it up pretty well.
This campfire was more like a TH-cam ad, i skipped it half way. It was very underwhelming and the fact that the grind for max aspects; making new builds etc is too tedious. Im burned out.
This is all rearranging deckchairs. They already hit the RMT/Third Party Trade ICEBERG.
Novel idea(s) here: Fix all major/game breaking bugs always, immediately. Buff all underperforming skills/classes while making class balance and potential for build variety a priority. ¯\_(ツ)_/¯
@@ArmofirsArmy please go apply at blizzard. Sounds like you'd be a better much dev.
@@broadsidedarth7801 the problem is the leadership, not the devs themselves.
Do you not remember season 1 and launch? They did that and people HATED it. I swear there is no making you d4 bad guys happy.
that's what they did season 1 and people hated it. they said so in the campfire chat.
@@Gpsi861 The vocal "blasters" on the interwebs hated it. And Blizzard all too readily gave in to their shouting. That's the reason why there's constant power creep. Won't be long until we see affixes like "+50,000% damage" like we did in Diablo 3. They had the same approach then.
Proper balance MUST include nerfs, otherwise you are constantly raising the base line. It's not rocket science, but the whingers who shout the loudest have long ruined any hope for reasonable Player character power in this game.
I might take another look when (if) they release another expansion. Maybe then they'll have come to their senses and completely overhauled the mathematics and design behind damage scaling in the game. Chances for that are close to 0, so most likely I'm done with the game. The "blasters" will probably love it. Good for them, but it's just not my cup of tea.
I kept up with it for a long time, hoping for improvements, season 5 I felt great... Season 6 just didn't capture what I hoped it would be
In my opinion it's kind of a stupid philosophy to not nerf / fix broken stuff for 3 months. I wanted to give the spiritborn another try after midseason patch because i didn't want to play a broken class. Achievements feel worthless when it's clearly not working as intended. But now i guess i'll have to wait for season 7. And why are we in this mess? Because some people cried when blizz did some nerfs back in season 1. I refuse to believe that more people care about "power fantasy" and "breaking the game" than proper game / class balance. Seems to me blizzard listened to the loudest minority in the room. 😒
Not even a single mention of the one thing that has plagued this game since season 0... DUPES! Why? Here's my guess, they dont know how to fix it so much easier to pretend that it doesnt exist.
They actually did mention it - duping concerns is one of the reasons they aren't sure about raising the caps on boss mats stacks.
To fix dupe they need to turn off crossplay and this will Not happen. They Want more money.
We need Season 7: “Season of duping and bug fixes”
From one disaster to another.
They forgot that WW is a core skill for Barb
This campfire felt like a step backwards. We just complained about bad events and they are bringing a super boring one that was not well received at first place. It felt like an unnecessary stream. They could have just released the patch notes and made the season 7 stream
2:49 Woah… an extra 20k… calm down boys… /s
It's insane that they are commiting to keep spiritborn stronger than the other classes by a factor for 10 000 or more, until next season, and that they're gonna do the same for similar situations in the future. Just insane.
It makes sense.... People have put in a couple 100 hours, billions into their spiritborn and to suddenly nerf it mid season is demoralising and just bad. Nerf/balance start of next season.
I would have made a ring that drops that increases your damage and defense by 1,000% NOT equippable by Spirit born. @@padcontrol1
it's entirely reasonable. If you screw over people who have invested a ton of time into their chars that is suddenly very VERY much worse off, you piss off a lot of people who end up outright quitting the game as a result. People quitting your game based on something you did to them post-fact is bad business.
No it's not. If people spent a hundred hours grinding for a class and build then they wreck it those people are gonna quit and be furious. It's always been the case that they should just leave strong stuff people are having fun with until the next season.
@@dnjago Yet, they never gave a second thought to screwing over virtually everyone who enjoys playing the core game on Eternal. What it comes down to is that they have decided that the old D3 players are their target audience and that what those players want is not power creep but power avalanche and they are going to give it to them. Nerf is a dirty word and the answer is always buff everything.
I applaud all the streamers for the endurance they have playing this boring ass game and doing the same shit every time they log in.
I do feel sympathy for them. Imagine logging on every day panicking thinking wtf do you do to be entertaining today?
grinding and doing the same things over and over is the essence of ARPG's .. cant blame D4 for that, its the same in Path of Exile or Last Epoch or any other game... but the big difference is that its just not fun and there is zero variance and nearly no progress in D4 compared to other ARPGs (Maps/Atlas in PoE or Monoliths in LE) so the fundamental part of the game gets overwhelmingly boring after a day or two max..
Agreed, its like groundhog day
Community has given tons of good feedback that is never being addressed, they are just blindly looking at the numbers they collect which rearly represents the actual reality, specially when creating builds. Class balanace in this game is some of the worst I have seen, they keep nerfing some of the viable builds to the grund. They are apparently very happy with all classes can push pit 100 with just a few builds, what about all other builds? Where is the build diversity? Agree on that they never are fixing the fundamental issues instead they are just throwing around some numbers. So tired of blizzard and D4, so glad POE2 is coming soon
Same the Barb buffs are a joke
Its not just the class balance, the class fantasy as well.
Just 1 examplem. Rogue new skill DoK can not benefit any of the specialization unless you sometimes stop spinning to cast basic skills or you get druid ultimate rune to cast it some way to proc preparation.
While if you look at Spiritborn, every spell can benefit from any of the spirit hall no matter what you choose.
I hope they change the Grizzly Rage cooldown back so it starts during the skill instead of after
Wasn't there a ability that the necromancer had before that directed the minions to attack a specific target?
The armory should be good, but would be great if Paragon boards and the Skill Tree get save states also, for quick build switchups.
Thanks for buying Vessel. We will make sure to give you another banger patch next August, where we release expansion 2 the following month.
Hey, wudi. Can you help me understand this. Rogue is currently Rapid Fire > Rain Of Arrows > Flurry > DOK Snapshot in terms of strength. What are we expecting happening after these changes. Am I correct in expecting Rain Of Arrows > Flurry > Rapid Fire > DOK... or does DOK Snapshotting switch to DOK Victimise and is more powerful than either of the 3 priors?
Well, rogue really struggles to speedfarm t100 for glyph so they actually did what they said- closed the gap between SB and buffed the strongest key passive so rain of arrows and RF gonna feel great.
I really like the barb changes because improving the leveling experience of the barb mid season is really what the we needed. thanks to the 20% stronger core skills I can open 27 whisper caches way faster. and at the top end it allows us to clear a pit 73 with rend and not just a 72. season saved guys. at least they know their craft
For rend it’s only a 14,2% buff 🙈
D4 devs psychology - If players don't like it, well they will adapt and get used to it!
What has me worried most about this chat is that they said these class changes would be the power state of all the classes including SB (with S7 nerfs) next season, and these buffs really do not make me want to jump on that wagon. Oh well, we will see once the patch hits, maybe I am not seeing something that may end up to be good.
TLDR for the campfire chat: just wait for S7. they promise it will be good! right! right?
Season 7 for sure!
Right!
Right?
S7 has to be the one! It's their last chance!
I understand why the patch notes are released later, but I really think it was a bad move.
Pretty disapointed with Blizzard. I think the deeper issues below all of this is that there are too many modifiers and multipliers and too much rng. As a result, Blizzard is spending all of its time trying to fix these and has no time to make new modes, monsters, events, etc...
a nice example is a legendary aspect getting multiple times stronger from 1/21 to maxed out... and some scale of it and multiplay again, and then paragon. glyphs, uniques, tempering,...
Agree Wudi, either they don't know how to fix these fundamental issues like boss dmg on sorc and rogue or they just don't care. No good events and no duping fixes and the aspect roll hunt is so XD. Tired of giving feedback on deaf ears and I'm sure the community is also.
man just one thing, dont leave the chat in the screen when u are explaining, sometimes we cant see what u are showing :)
Minions, companions and conjurations all need buffs
Minions straight just need a whole rework... The ai is awful, they need a way like in d3 where you can focus them on a target.
You know, at this rate I wish they would just massively buff all abilities so we can make whatever crazy builds we want. At least then all characters would be playable. Imo skill trees have so many unused abilities because there is always a meta build that's infinitely stronger. Every damage dealing ability should feel powerful and the majority right now don't.
Everyone keeps saying they dont want spiritborn nerfed bc oh no ive put so much effort and mats into my broken spiritborn build.. so say they fix the bugs what exactly will u change? Will u stop stacking life on an overpower build? Will u not take the viscous shield legendary node all of a sudden? Will u not stack resolve bc block chance is capped at 100 percent? No if you actually think about it these broken quill volley builds will be built roughly the same way just wont be as broken still probably strongest build in the game
Here's the problem... The vast majority of players, especially anyone still playing at this point, are casuals who are just copying a build from a video they watched or a website they looked at... They don't understand what is actually happening with the various bugs, how it's all interacting together, they're just playing and having fun. So they don't play for a few days and the mid-season patch drops and now, for reasons they don't understand, the character and build that was one-shotting Duriel suddenly takes two minutes to kill him, they get murdered on pit tiers they were crushing the week before and they don't understand what happened.
Then they hear SB was "nerfed" in the mid-season patch, they hate Blizzard and never touch this game again. That's not a good strategy if you're a "for-profit company" like Blizzard.
Sure it sucks for people like Wudi, but the VAST majority of the players are not no-lifing the game, blasting 8-12 hours a day, already 300 Paragon with near-perfect gear.
Also, I don't think block chance is supposed to be capped at 100%. The reason I say that is simple math. Let's say you have the Interdiction Aspect at 10% block chance per Resolve stack. Default Resolve max stack is 8, Gorilla Spirit Hall secondary gives 2 more, and then a temper on one gear piece without any masterworking gives you another 2, for a total of 12. 12 times 10 is 120. I'm not saying it (block chance) shouldn't have a cap, but I don't think the intended cap was EVER meant to be 100%, because the example I gave above is EASILY achievable by anyone and that exceeds 100 without even including the 45% implicit on an Ancestral quarterstaff. So I don't think it's meant to be capped at 100, or else EVERYONE at Blizzard is TERRIBLE at math and NOBODY knows how to use a calculator either.
@@jedirayden The thing is real casuals dont even do any high pits or even duriel / Bosses, i have a friend who is the definition of casual, he just reached level 60 with his first character this season. Dont use casuals as an excuse for this. They are not the problem, the problem are people who say they are casual while playing every day and just want to feel overpowered because they just look for the FOTM Builds. These people are not casuals.
My relationship with D4:
Me: "Hey, i like this game. Here's some things that aren't fun."
Blizzard: "Ok, great. Those parts don't need to be fun. Try this other thing."
Me: "But I like this thing. Can't this thing just be better?"
Blizz: "We hear you, but we think you're wrong. Just try this 🙂"
Me: *uninstalls*
PoE2 is going to be a breath of fresh air... I'm tired of the half ass effort Blizzard puts on D4. Season 6 had no story and was simply just an extremely boring event. I had huge hopes but the expansion took all the hope I had out of me.
I want to love Diablo 4, and I do love a lot about the game, but the things I dislike seem to be growing more and more difficult to ignore, that being the powercreep. I know powercreep is inevitable, but seriously, we're doing billions and even trillions of damage...come the fuck on...
And I want interaction and synergy with my abilities. I want combos, I want to play my class. I don't want to play "hold the "I win" button". I don't mind that there are low-effort builds, but they are vastly dominant to a stupid degree right now. It's frustrating because this is also a live-service that's open world where many activities involve other players, so when everyone and their grandma are using the low effort builds, as they naturally will because they are effective, it just becomes extremely boring to play and interact with the world.
But hey, on the bright side, this means I may actually just buy myself into the Path of Exile 2 beta!
am I living in some alternate reality. I keep seeing and hearing the sentiment that "season 5 was so great, season 6 sucks." Yet, I distinctly remember in season 5 people complaining about how little there was to do, how it sucked, how infernal hordes were boring, etc. New season has way more to do + Infernal hordes still exist + every class solid (except for SB being super OP) i just dont really get this outrage. 2 weeks ago everyone was agreeing that s6 was the best season so far, and nothing has changed since then, so ? Like is nostalgia that strong of a drug or are people just really that forgetful?
And idk what people really expected from the mid-season patch. No other ARPG does a big mid-season content drop. POE doesnt do it, Last epoch doesnt, d2, d3, torchlight, etc. No other ARPG does a big content drop in the middle of a season, so why are we expecting D4 to have that? It was ALWAYS just going to be nerfs and buffs, thats all it was ever going to be and thats all it ever has been in past seasons.
Some people just wanna complain. Diablo 4 could cure cancer after playing it for 15mins , and you would have people online talking about how the game sucks so bad they'd rather just take chemo
most people have the memory of goldfish and will just parrot whatever view their fav celebrity says. Season 5 had a few moments but definitely overall sucked. Most the core problems with the game then are still core problems with the game now. You're not misremembering.
S4 was the only good season because there were multiple, viable builds and they actually did what the community has been screaming for. S5 was just a s6-lite - trash with hordes but no spiritborn.
I never heard people say Season 5 was so great, dont know where you got that from, people just sticked with it because VoH was on the Horizon.. it sucked and everyone knows it.. but Season 6 is even worse, so in comparison season 5 was "good" .. as stated here season 4 was the one people liked.
And not even fixing bugs for the whole season is just the worst thing i ever witnessed in a video game.. just crazy.
You didn't even mention the new enemies prolly because they will explode into pieces by trillions of dmg. Good thing POE2 is about to be playable and bring actual combat back.
lol ok that’ll do for a couple of weeks till Poe 2
I'm convinced the developers never play the game. Pissed they did nothing to DOK. Done for the season. See what we got in S7.
D4 Bad Part 2 - Electric boogalo
At least we can use the basilisk staff for bossing now. Not optimal but at least it’s a serviceable transition weapon
Still cheeks
Is tempering gone yet?
Very sad they won't correct SB unintended broken interactions.
It is really killing the game for me, nothing makes sense anymore...
People are just never happy. Blizzard shares information and it's nothing but complaints, they don't share and it's nothing but complaints.
Ultimately, all the classes are going to need to have the same type of overhaul and TLC that the Spiritborn got. The game is fundamentally different than it was at base launch, but the classes hadn’t changed to catch up outside of changing up numbers. But, like everything else with D4, there isn’t a roadmap to doing this, so who knows.
I quit a few weeks ago cuz I was bored of the crapborn, and now I see this today... Well I guess I'm not coming back for any more this season. See you next season. Pathetic devs can't even balance THEIR OWN GAME
The thing is really doubt they will get this fixed for season 7.. really looking forward to wudijo's opinion on the Season 7 PTR, i guess it will be a dumbsterfire and i know i wont touch this game until something fundamentally changes. VoH and Season 6 were a huge step back for D4
this is my main issue with all class, for an average player like me, killing bosses is really hard, I only managed to kill Lilith at T1 in this season (s6) for the first time lol with spiritborn. boss damage kill/buff is really neended for lot of class builds.
What's the matter of a live service game if they dont address and fix the problems immediately?
The only thing what they achieved with the live service thing is that the game crushes because the flashy effects they intended to add for spells.
Their insistence of sticking to what some MMOs do with their updates is going to be the death of this game the second a competitor comes out with a more enjoyable product and does updates/balance changes on a faster schedule. Hopefully they take some of the feedback that players and streamers gave as a blueprint for S7.
You just described PoE2.
strongly agree on the worry that D4, which is a great game, is slowly being eroded by the devs constantly buffing and never nerfing. Skills are buffed at the season launch and mid-season every skill that didn't increase also gets buffed. In a few years D4 will be D3 all over again. Impale +75.000% here we come
They are already in full transformation to D3 it feels like. The Damage Numbers, only buffing not nerfing, now Torment Difficulties, bringing back gamemodes from D3 (Pit being Greater Rifts) ... it will be Full on D3 soon enough instead of being its own game.. kinda sad.
I'm baffled you guys are surprised of this update of an update.
Necro needs Core skill buffs, Shadow and Shadow DoT buffs. Its literally all Blood/OP that rules Necro atm.
Those 2 uniques are garbage and will remain garbage.
thx Wudi
Barbarian buffs won't change his problems - damage buffs never fixed anything.
It's like they're actively trying to kill Diablo IV and all it's future... it feels like they don't understand ARPG's and how to balance them. Spiritborn being so utterly broken and not being fixed within a few days is what ruined this entire season for me.
The Adventures of brrrrt number go up
Blizz a shell of them old selfs
Upgrade Glyphs exclusively in the (Garbage) Pit.
Raise World Difficulty exclusively after Pit leveling.
What is with the fixation on the Pit?
Is D4 becoming an arena style game?
I do Whispers BECAUSE I am all over the map.
From Ked Bardu to Orbei Monestary to lvl 1, pick up skull, all devoid of monsters.
Is the D4 campaign becoming Myst?
Open Dungeon B with materials from Dungeon A that is opened with materials from????
6 seasons,6 chances, 1 year in beta. If only i could request for a refund for the base game and expansion
what they need to buff is ancestral drops. its ridiculous
Wudi I am truly sorry for people like you trying their best in this game. Which Is in core very good I think. But I quit this game after Yesterday And not coming back. I am done supporting these devs who just laughs in our face. See ya all people in PoE2 ... Bye
I feel like they had their “A Team” build the fundamental Diablo 4, then gave it to lower skilled devs to build upon. There’s no way that a game with this much backing can continually screw up its future this bad without actual reason(s). There has to be something more going on behind the scene. Either way, game is still beta.
The pats on the back they gave themselves for doing a good job on some things were cringe.
After the campfire I ‘ seriously thinking to uninstall the game. my hope is lost
Blizzard has failed to achieve meaningful ballance consistently. If they say they're doing nothing to balance classes meaningfully now, then there is 0 chance that anything can be balanced by season 7. It is a mess that will take them multiple seasons to work out while they're being so cowardly about making meaningful changes in the short term. Maybe the game will be worth playing in season 11, probably not before that
Basically, mighty throw will be even better thorns the same, whirlwind dust devils the same earthquake builds the same. Buff core skills that do zero damage EVERY SiNGLE BUILD relies on earthquake and dust devils to do damage besides mighty throw. And if they only buff that aspect, and core skills it does literally NOTHING. The devs are so out of touch they have no idea what to do. They pick the top build and buff that and sun touch anything else. I've played thorns barb every season and it's very bitter sweet. We always lose something huge but gain something that makes it easier to get the boost that would have helped had they not nerf it. You have a rune to proc earthquakes for you so you can use rumble but they nerfed it. They buffed the health scaling of doombringer but needed and removed imposing presence. They give thorns a new key passive but it requires you to spend fury which thorns barb doesn't want to do, and you must have shouts up but they need bold chieftains. It's like they just slowly go down in power but have an increase in quality of life to make it easier to get the buffs but the buffs aren't buffs anymore like WHAT
They were talking about season 2, ball lightning, that build was so awesome and strong and unique, it was fun. Blizzard acknowledged that they didn't nerf it cause they want the focus to make the game fun, that was the messaging they understood, but they are not following through. That's what I want, cool new different unique interactions and stuff like ball lightning. Fun. idk I thought they understood this. I want new stuff not same stuff with different numbers.
Good thing POE2 comes out in a few weeks to bury this piece of shit game. At least the devs play their own game
Not gonna lie. Blizz released patch that destroyed the game performance a couple weeks ago, and I’ve not played since, and do not miss the game. Might be the end of my D4 days until next Aus winter.
you could buff incinerate by 400x and it would still be trash, same with ice shards lol.
I think it would have been cool to remove the Spiritborn bugs for the midseason patch and be a little more drastic with the buffs to other classes. Really shaking up the balance so far into the season would give a solid reason to jump back in, while casual players who don’t abuse the bugs wouldn’t notice much of a difference. They could have framed it as a sort of season 6.5 and set that as an expectation for future mid season patches.
I understand people not wanting to have their builds nerfed, but I think the majority of players have done what they wanted to do (clearing Pit 150 in 2 minutes) with the crazy Spiritborn builds at this point
Also would have liked to see a minor content drop like the Varshan rings from season 2, just to give some new builds to explore. New runes or legendary aspects would have been cool too.
I'm just waiting for POE2 tbh. I will never touch this game again after it's out.
Hold on buddy don’t swallow it all on the first date. You gotta leave something to the imagination.
Thanks for letting us know. Hopefully once POE 2 is out you wont have to grace us with your D4 bad comments any longer.
I hope they nail it. I've kind of given up hope on the D4 team. I'll keep checking back, but I already know I'll be disappointed with their mediocre efforts
As if an isometric video game is going to take up all of my time. Y’all who worship GGG Tencent are so pathetic.
I’m just giving POE1 a try because I’m so f*cking tired of D4s hyper overpowered Spiritborn jumping around everywhere.And I have to say that POE 1 massively delivers on all fronts. I wish I had tried it sooner. Could have saved me a lot of disappointment. D4 is so underwhelming in comparison, it’s not even funny.
POE2 here I come.
The fact they actually think that maybe giving the other class' skills some 10, 15, 20% damage boosts here and there is somehow going to equalize anywhere close to the spiritborn, while also putting bandaid fixes on all the other glaring issues... Yeah this game is cooked lmao, after exhausting Last Epoch PoE2 can't come soon enough.
Seriously? Spiritborn is doing hundreds of _TIMES_ more damage than others and I get a fucking 10% boost? That's like your parents praising your sibling for just existing then looking over at you and saying "Oh? Are you still here?"
first. Good work wudi. Poor decisions from the devs but hopefully it gets better
Poor decisions? Must be nice to have endless amounts of time to grind this game.
blizzard have no idea how to balance classes in any game since 2018 probably
People just complain about every single thing these days. Negativity literally EVERYWHERE.
They are clearly too frightened to buff all non-spirit classes by any "Meaningful" amount. This makes playing anymore season 6 to be a pointless effort.
It's good to hear though, that they are finally going to try to diversify some classes so there is more than just 1 competitive build in each class.
* All effects, whether singular or Composite should have absolute CAPS, like Armor and resists. For example, No Cool-down should ever be able to be low enough to activate an item 100% of the time.
* Super Rare items should be vastly more important in differentiating your ultimate power, as opposed to paragon points and no one should be able to craft such an item. Only the gods provide.
I think they mentioned that they were showing a part of the buff, not the all list so there will be more than what they said/ showed.
There also should be some changes to ancestral drops, maybe it will be good.
But nothing about masterworks, dupe, and boss farm.
Tyrael's Might divine barrage damage still remain shit 🤣🤣🤣
I was running a bleed barb with the butchers cleaver but the rupture bleed pool from Crimson Fields stop working but now I think I’m going to do it with werewolf druid
How many xpacs it is gona take for d4 to have ANY endgame ? Fundamentally nothing changed from game start - u get ur build going aaaaand...there is nothing to challenge u in the game . Makes everything really pontless , why grind paragons , why get perfect rolls , why get aspects maxxed out ? Holy shit there is no leaderboards still in the game , no armory STILL . and yet they somehow sold me xpac already . Only content that keeps coming out with good speed is skins in shop , Even the events they do is so god damn inspired right ? Log in and visit shop to claim reward , amazing .
what is stupid is all the buffs are IF you get the ancestral codex maxed and as we know they are almost impossible to get - so they are ALL pointless IMO - total waste of time, these devs are slowly killing this game, very poor
Yet another sad event is coming and after seeing how much Diablo immortal is getting in their events it just feels shitty
I wish they would nake up their mind about how victimize should work. I mean pre season 4 it was trash, then (due to bugs) it became one of the best skills and people loved it, then they nerfed it again and it became trash, then in the PTR it was good again, in season 6 they re-nerfed it, now they are buffing it again. Make up your mind. And it's not only about damage, it's also how the mechanics of it work with the cooldown.
proof that blizzard doesnt care about balance and only care about protecting their beloved dlc content, I for one refuse to buy it ever.....they 100% lose me as a player for good when path of exile is released.
We will see the change in the patch note but I don’t get why they are not fixing SB. As expected I’ll see you guys in the next season, nothing worth playing here.
So after paying for the game and expansion Blizzard tells me, "Sorry the game is going to remain utterly busted for a few months"
So much for the advantages of a live service game...
Back to diablo 3. I won't spend another dime on this sh!tshow.