Looks like the guts from a mini pc sold as a standalone board. I could definitely see using it in a creative tech project. Maybe also the GPU assuming there's a graceful way to route power to everything.
As you can see you dont get many likes. Alot of third world font even know Linux exist. Until we have standalone apps on linux that dont need internet to download from the repo. No usefulness of Linux. Id rather wait for Harmony OS.
@@univera1111 What are you on about?, windows apps work on my Linux OS easily right out of the box they install like a normal windows app and run like one also. Also there are multiple native photo editing and video editing apps, games run without any issues via steam, Heroic launcher and Lutris launcher. Also a lot of default apps come pre-installed on many common distros that are very useful.. mine pretty much IS windows, it even has a similar UI layout and start menu layout and file manager layout.
@@univera1111 most popular distros come with office apps by default, which is all anyone doing a fresh install would want, just like on windows so don't get this point
@@univera1111Been using linux for 6 years now, I'm 19 lol. Never felt like I was missing out on anything although yes sometimes troubleshooting things is hectic and when I'm doing something out of the box and need old windows apps which sometimes don't run well on my pc (most people will never have the need for such stuff) but apart from that I have everything I need available to me. Linux has grown quite alot. People still think it's tough to use so that will take time. Although steam deck did make it a little more mainstream.
@@Arxgxmi you wouldn't I wasn't aware of the price at the time. This is the 1st time I've seen Oculink and it was an exciting prospect if you wanna do 4k tables etc.
There is one thing I would like to point out. The interface of the connector on the backside of the motherboard is ESPI instead of SATA. It just happens to have same type of connector as the SATA connector they usually have on different 4X4 board.
I could imagine it be mounted in a 3½" drive bay in an old retro style case together with a another standard motherboard to have a great combi use system
Nice video. I would love to see you run Linux on it. Would also love to see you trying some of the other cool SBCs like CWWK's X86-P5, which is an N305 SBC that can add a daughter board with 4x SSDs... that would be an interesting experiment to run TrueNAS or UNRAID on ;-)
It'll be nice to know the cost of the parts used so we can compare it to other pre-built SBCs. Also, since you offer, it will be great to see Linux running to see the performance, particularly if you also install something like a Media server (Plex or similar). Great video review, I was surprised you can connect a GPU so easily.
Hopefully, "fingers crossed" ,that by the time 9th gen ryzen mobile apus come out, pcie 5.0 x4 nvme slots will trickle down to these smaller boards, since there already available on hedt mobos and 5.0x4 ssds already exist... that should kill 90% if the bandwidth issues with occulink or nvme adapters.
That M.2 adapter looks like a PCI-E 3.0 adapter, this board + the new NUC 14 both deliver pci-e 4.0 via the 2242 M.2 port! I wish most of them would come with pci-e 5.0 by now...
It's not licensing. The integrated graphics versions of the Ryzen only support PCIe 4.0 for external I/O unfortunately. Hopefully that changes with Zen5.
@@ReflexVE You are correct, 20x 4.0 lanes in the 8xxx mobile systems. Meteor Lake H-cpus have 8x 5.0 support, U-models 20x 4.0. Both Intel and Amds latests stuff...the confusion at times...
If there was a way to get better cooler on there that would help as you could keep the chip boosting to 50w full time, even something like NH-L9 would be enough to hold that power level. Or just pair this with something like the 4060 SFF in a small case and it would be a champ.
Hi nice video and interesting board! Will be great to get that Linux follow up and maybe test of some SAS/storage adapters on one of these NVME ports - board itself looks like a great candidate for small Proxmox host and adding an external SAS/SATA adapter only will allow you to convert it to excellent homelab server
128 of them 16GB per node would draw 6kw but have 1024 cores and 2TB ram and 11 TB/sec memory bandwidth so if you're playing with huge LLM's that's pretty good. If they can be cheap enough to make it worthwhile like couple hundred dollars each that's a fun like build-a-supercomputer project o.o
The term SBC is supposed to mean that it isn't a motherboard you have to plug stuff into. Usually you get away with having to fit in a harddrive or SSD, but I think having to plug in memory modules breaks the definition.
That oculink board is most likely 32gbps performance based on the parts Im looking at on Amazon. Only one amazon ad said 64gbps but I dont know if thats fake, because its the same model/part number as all of these other red colored oculink nvme m.2 adapters on Amazon. I ordered the part that claims its 64gbps and I'll test it when it gets delivered.
Yeah I'd love to see linux on this, with Oculink. I'm seriously considering getting rid of my big tower in favor for something like this. I'd still need some Sata however.
Love your mini pc's test with eGPU, and I think this setup even is not the focus of your channel is very good to make some AI, and run local LLM's or image models. The problem is that ollama, or comfyUI run better with Nvidia, and lot's of Vram. I wonder between all these small pc's what could be the best AI setup on a budget, with a small PC, and a modest Nvidia GPU, not top of the line but enough to run some LLM's or Stable diffusion at a reasonable speed. It really seems that if anyone have to change their PC now, they should go for a mini PC or a notebook with a free M.2 or oculink to add a eGPU, for gaming or for AI.
the apu is really interesting. wonder what price range the mini pc running this will be. would be cool ifthey will be in the range of the intel N chips.
@ETA PRIME, can you do a video that showcases the difference between usb 4 and oculink with egpus? I have a Legion Go and a Onexgpu and I was curious about the real world difference between the fps difference between oculink and usb 4/thunderbolt 3/4.
I wonder how different his looks to other mini Pc's with their cases removed. I have a eg01h4 egpu case, and a PC like this would easily fit inside the case with my 4090, making an epic 9 litre 4090 PC all contained in the egpu case. You wouldn't need to run the oculink cable outside of it, but would need to sort any power button/usb/hdmi access. Is tempting though. With PC's like this, I believe it would now start to make sense to ship GPU's with the CPU etc built onto the GPU, and have different options/ram slots etc or have CPU modules or something to allow variations
*@ETA PRIME* If you have a RTX dual fan GPU. Like a 4070 TI Super. It'd be nice to see a tiny build (like the single fan 4060 tiny builds you've done). Whether it be in a super small sff case or a mini workstation style case. Backpack size 4070 build
@@aaronalquiza9680 why would you say such a dumb lie. Oculink has both a x4 and a x8 connector. However, the nvme port that he's connecting to is only capable of a x4 connection as well as The oculink cable and Port that he is using is only capable of a x4 connection.
@@neb_setabed sorry i'm wrong. i was only aware of the 4x one as i've only seen the symmetric connector cables that were used in mini pcs, handhelds and laptops.
I checked the Newegg price and saw it was $599. Paying $599 for such a product is a great stupidity. They must think that as manufacturers reduce the size of their products, people's intelligence also shrinks in the same proportion.
Please do one with Linux. Points of interest would be, which distros supports the hardware out of the box, performance of different base distros - debian/ubuntu base, arch based, fedora basedand opensuset umbleweed :D
Nice but ASRock should stop putting these things behind a purely industrial base. By ll means have pricing for larger volumes but also give a flat rate price upfront for 1.
Looks like the guts from a mini pc sold as a standalone board. I could definitely see using it in a creative tech project. Maybe also the GPU assuming there's a graceful way to route power to everything.
yeah looks like the mini pc version is "ASRock Industrial 4X4 BOX-8840U". Found it on newegg, release date 5/10/2024
Given that the link is to Asrock Industrial, I'm going to assume there's no easy path to ownership. At least, not as an individual hobbyist.
And i doubt the price would be pocket friendly
@@rkadi6540 Probably not. I'm willing to bet that it'll be cheaper and easier buying a similar specced micro pc and just taking it out of its shell.
Might be able to buy the mini PC version from Newegg. Seems to be launching over there tomorrow. Listed for 600USD.
Yeah, if he’s going to make a video about products like these, he should at least be more informative on how to get them.
yeah like why even bother reviewing something regular people cant buy
It runs Cyberpunk better than my whole pc 💀 bro
who hasked
@@gankedclips ur mother
@@gankedclips touch yourself elsewhere.
@@sikimasio you cooked him 🍳🍳
Since I use Linux as main OS for everything, always want to see one of these mini PC's run Linux and play games.
As you can see you dont get many likes. Alot of third world font even know Linux exist. Until we have standalone apps on linux that dont need internet to download from the repo. No usefulness of Linux. Id rather wait for Harmony OS.
@@univera1111 What are you on about?, windows apps work on my Linux OS easily right out of the box they install like a normal windows app and run like one also. Also there are multiple native photo editing and video editing apps, games run without any issues via steam, Heroic launcher and Lutris launcher. Also a lot of default apps come pre-installed on many common distros that are very useful.. mine pretty much IS windows, it even has a similar UI layout and start menu layout and file manager layout.
@@univera1111 linux is actually quite popular in India, if you look at the data.
@@univera1111 most popular distros come with office apps by default, which is all anyone doing a fresh install would want, just like on windows so don't get this point
@@univera1111Been using linux for 6 years now, I'm 19 lol. Never felt like I was missing out on anything although yes sometimes troubleshooting things is hectic and when I'm doing something out of the box and need old windows apps which sometimes don't run well on my pc (most people will never have the need for such stuff) but apart from that I have everything I need available to me. Linux has grown quite alot. People still think it's tough to use so that will take time. Although steam deck did make it a little more mainstream.
This is my life: 3:20 . You captured it perfectly...
no matter how good an arm board may be, sometimes I just need to run x86 apps
i think this may be the smallest SBC i've seen so far that can run AAA games with ease! so many things you can build with this thing :)
Exactly. You could do SO MUCH with this. This might by the perfect for a Virtual Pinball Table I'm planning, especially with the OcUlink
no sbc requires ram sticks, this is a minipc without a case
so what lol
@@7Wounds why would you need a 500+ USD CPU for a pinball
@@Arxgxmi you wouldn't I wasn't aware of the price at the time. This is the 1st time I've seen Oculink and it was an exciting prospect if you wanna do 4k tables etc.
I love AMD has done for the APU space. I am super excited for next GEN. Can’t wait to see your videos on it to
This is so tiny yet super powerful and easily extendable . I'm really excited for what future handhelds and phone gpus can do
Love to see Bazzite run on it. :)
Or nobaraos steam deck edition
There is one thing I would like to point out.
The interface of the connector on the backside of the motherboard is ESPI instead of SATA.
It just happens to have same type of connector as the SATA connector they usually have on different 4X4 board.
I could imagine it be mounted in a 3½" drive bay in an old retro style case together with a another standard motherboard to have a great combi use system
The future has arrived at last. What a time to be alive.
Eh, the future was the mid 80s, then again in 2008. Its just repeating at this point.
Get these computers down to $350 and im in.
3:21 i don't know why there were 2 audio cuts here almost sounds like AI voice stammering lol
The flexibility of X86 is just great. You can run pretty much any distro and any software.
A quality 780m box with oculink like this feels like my jam for work and gaming, including VR on both. Sharp pixels good pixels..
Hi can you please try this cutie with CachyOS and/or ArchOS if possible?
Thanks.
I've about 50 tabs on Chrome looking for a mini PC and this is the best one.
Amazing what a difference a dedicated GPU makes to gaming.
You may be able to get that thing to boot using USB power if you change the tdp bios setting to "quiet mode".
영상 잘 보고있습니다. 전부터 항상 궁금했는데 이런 싱글보드 컴퓨터는 주로 어디서 구매하시나요?
The editing errors on this channel are frustrating lol. It seems to happen a lot. Around 3:20 in this one.
Nice video. I would love to see you run Linux on it. Would also love to see you trying some of the other cool SBCs like CWWK's X86-P5, which is an N305 SBC that can add a daughter board with 4x SSDs... that would be an interesting experiment to run TrueNAS or UNRAID on ;-)
I bet that would be a crazy powerful mini arcade machine
I wish there would be any possibility to put this PC into a fanless case. 42W is not hard to cool without any fans.
It'll be nice to know the cost of the parts used so we can compare it to other pre-built SBCs. Also, since you offer, it will be great to see Linux running to see the performance, particularly if you also install something like a Media server (Plex or similar). Great video review, I was surprised you can connect a GPU so easily.
Hopefully, "fingers crossed" ,that by the time 9th gen ryzen mobile apus come out, pcie 5.0 x4 nvme slots will trickle down to these smaller boards, since there already available on hedt mobos and 5.0x4 ssds already exist... that should kill 90% if the bandwidth issues with occulink or nvme adapters.
Great content! Can you run this using the low profile RTX 4060 card.
I think that would be great to see such a small board using a RTX graphics card.
i saw ppl running oculink from m.2 with 4080 for sure this will support too
It would great to see this running under Linux, with and without the GPU.
"Can change the TDP across the board" -- nice pun there ;)
I like these smaller computers for using in the full size arcade builds but it does drive the price up a bit!
Great video. As usual. MX Linux and Manjaro would be cool. Maybe a run on an LLM.
I'd love to see you do gaming Nobara on that
That M.2 adapter looks like a PCI-E 3.0 adapter, this board + the new NUC 14 both deliver pci-e 4.0 via the 2242 M.2 port! I wish most of them would come with pci-e 5.0 by now...
The problem is licensing, it's too expensive still especially when PCIe 4.0 is relatively new for board makers.
It's not licensing. The integrated graphics versions of the Ryzen only support PCIe 4.0 for external I/O unfortunately. Hopefully that changes with Zen5.
@@ReflexVE You are correct, 20x 4.0 lanes in the 8xxx mobile systems.
Meteor Lake H-cpus have 8x 5.0 support, U-models 20x 4.0.
Both Intel and Amds latests stuff...the confusion at times...
😮
The linked specifications page clearly states
1 x Realtek Gigabit LAN, 1 x Realtek 2.5 Gigabit LAN
So NOT dual 2.5GbE
If there was a way to get better cooler on there that would help as you could keep the chip boosting to 50w full time, even something like NH-L9 would be enough to hold that power level. Or just pair this with something like the 4060 SFF in a small case and it would be a champ.
Note, the ethernet ports are 1 x Realtek Gigabit LAN, 1 x Realtek 2.5 Gigabit LAN, not dual 2.5.
mr Eta. plz make DIY handhel gaming PC with this board 😁😁
Hi nice video and interesting board! Will be great to get that Linux follow up and maybe test of some SAS/storage adapters on one of these NVME ports - board itself looks like a great candidate for small Proxmox host and adding an external SAS/SATA adapter only will allow you to convert it to excellent homelab server
I don’t see a price on the link. Any ideas?
I couldn’t find a way to buy from the website aswell, but you can buy it in an enclosure from the newegg for $599
Apparently around $600 in including the RAM and storage
would you make a handheld for future project with the board?
Great candidate for a 3d printed case. Also i noticed that you were cpu bound with the Egpu which is pretty concerning for a moderately powerful card
128 of them 16GB per node would draw 6kw but have 1024 cores and 2TB ram and 11 TB/sec memory bandwidth so if you're playing with huge LLM's that's pretty good. If they can be cheap enough to make it worthwhile like couple hundred dollars each that's a fun like build-a-supercomputer project o.o
Whoa they get 780M gpus too so like a petaflop of fp32 compute too it would be really cool!! ARe they $100 each?
But can it run Crysis?
The term SBC is supposed to mean that it isn't a motherboard you have to plug stuff into. Usually you get away with having to fit in a harddrive or SSD, but I think having to plug in memory modules breaks the definition.
"WTF is this crazy SBC?"
It was my first thought seeing the thumbnail of this video.
That oculink board is most likely 32gbps performance based on the parts Im looking at on Amazon. Only one amazon ad said 64gbps but I dont know if thats fake, because its the same model/part number as all of these other red colored oculink nvme m.2 adapters on Amazon. I ordered the part that claims its 64gbps and I'll test it when it gets delivered.
@@zombiewolf007 any updates, curious if it actually is as advertised
thats a really cool board. The cpu supports ecc does its mean the board does too?
This would be so cool with Bazite as a set top box connected to a tv.
Where can I buy that maneki neko that shows up at 3:06 ?
Price?
Yeah I'd love to see linux on this, with Oculink.
I'm seriously considering getting rid of my big tower in favor for something like this. I'd still need some Sata however.
Ooh, would be sick for some sort of handheld project monstrosity
Always good to see how Linux runs... Linux Mint would be my choice.
I’m assuming that the difference in performance here is because it’s using SODIMM at 5600mhz instead of soldered ram at higher speeds
Love your mini pc's test with eGPU, and I think this setup even is not the focus of your channel is very good to make some AI, and run local LLM's or image models. The problem is that ollama, or comfyUI run better with Nvidia, and lot's of Vram. I wonder between all these small pc's what could be the best AI setup on a budget, with a small PC, and a modest Nvidia GPU, not top of the line but enough to run some LLM's or Stable diffusion at a reasonable speed. It really seems that if anyone have to change their PC now, they should go for a mini PC or a notebook with a free M.2 or oculink to add a eGPU, for gaming or for AI.
Emulation test please
ChimeraOS gaming test please 😁🥺
How much does it cost?
the apu is really interesting. wonder what price range the mini pc running this will be. would be cool ifthey will be in the range of the intel N chips.
The most important metric is "how much does it cost?"
yoo this is nice...what does it cost?
cant find price
@ETA PRIME, can you do a video that showcases the difference between usb 4 and oculink with egpus? I have a Legion Go and a Onexgpu and I was curious about the real world difference between the fps difference between oculink and usb 4/thunderbolt 3/4.
GPU% was often
How thick is it including the fan? I'm looking for something to fit in slimmer enclosure than your average mini PC, but I have footprint to spare.
It appears newegg sells this exact one in a box that's barebones rather than just being a board for $600.
You should totally make a custom SFF build with this. Also, how much RAM can be allocated to the 780M? More than 8GBs?
I love Small Block Chevys
Install Arch Linux and try emulation on Linux and Windows. SteamOS too. Good video.
Amazing 😍
seeing the G1 used always gets me excited for Minisforum's HX200G...
1:11 You said it has 2 slots, but what about that 3rd connection? Am I missing something?
It has 2 m.2 slots. He's using one for an SSD and one for occulink. The third port is the sata 2.5 connection
Since oculink is not hotswapable, why not use m.2 to pcie directly for this particular form factor?
forget the SBC, where can i get that solar powered waving/lucky cat?
They sell this on Newegg w/ the case for $599, it's still bare bones.
Ouch, that's pricey for barebones that Amazon is selling the Minisforum um780xtx with a 7840HS and Oculink for $400.
I wonder how different his looks to other mini Pc's with their cases removed. I have a eg01h4 egpu case, and a PC like this would easily fit inside the case with my 4090, making an epic 9 litre 4090 PC all contained in the egpu case. You wouldn't need to run the oculink cable outside of it, but would need to sort any power button/usb/hdmi access. Is tempting though. With PC's like this, I believe it would now start to make sense to ship GPU's with the CPU etc built onto the GPU, and have different options/ram slots etc or have CPU modules or something to allow variations
Just FYI, it's not 2x2.5G NICs as mentioned. It's 1x1G and 1x2.5G.
I wish there was some new Oculink with PCIeX x8-x16, so we could use these small systems and 100% of external GPU power
Then it wouldn't be oculink
Did you happen to mention the Price ?
How doest those 55W on CPU happens while running CP with the Oculink?
Powerful than my pc
I might just buy this setup for lower power consumption.
Definitely wanna see linux on this!
This ain't an SBC, it's a case-less miniPC.
It's cool, but why wouldn't you just grab the Minisforum with Oculink and a 7840hs (considerably faster) for $400 barebones?
*@ETA PRIME* If you have a RTX dual fan GPU. Like a 4070 TI Super. It'd be nice to see a tiny build (like the single fan 4060 tiny builds you've done). Whether it be in a super small sff case or a mini workstation style case. Backpack size 4070 build
where can we buy this? im thinking putting a NVME to Sata card and make a linux server with it.
Isn't Oculink supposed to be using 8X lanes ?
oculink runs PCIE4x4 @ ~63gbps and PCIE3x4 @ ~30gbps
@@aaronalquiza9680 why would you say such a dumb lie. Oculink has both a x4 and a x8 connector. However, the nvme port that he's connecting to is only capable of a x4 connection as well as The oculink cable and Port that he is using is only capable of a x4 connection.
@@neb_setabed sorry i'm wrong. i was only aware of the 4x one as i've only seen the symmetric connector cables that were used in mini pcs, handhelds and laptops.
4x
Any non powerful amd SBC with CSI port?
I checked the Newegg price and saw it was $599. Paying $599 for such a product is a great stupidity. They must think that as manufacturers reduce the size of their products, people's intelligence also shrinks in the same proportion.
Wow…thanks for showing us a Mini PC without the case lol. This is so special.
here is the new new homeserver board incoming
5:11 Ровно то же самое умел Samsung s9+ в своё время.
Please do one with Linux. Points of interest would be, which distros supports the hardware out of the box, performance of different base distros - debian/ubuntu base, arch based, fedora basedand opensuset umbleweed :D
This thing would be perfect if it supported ECC ram
Once you go much beyond the size of the Rasberry Pi I don't quite get the point of not having a case.
This board is intended to build your own Minisforum, just make a case)) It seems that cpu doesn't have a npu
Npu?
@@wolffactor56 neural processing unit
@@neb_setabed thanks for following up. Debating about getting a mini pc for daily work stuff. My gaming computer is loud.
@@wolffactor56 well, you can just replace noisy fans in your pc and it will work fine for you, mini pcs are really noisy things
@@АндрейА-щ1х I am thinking its the power supply of my video card….gonna habe to see.
Didn't know mini computers were loud.
Nice but ASRock should stop putting these things behind a purely industrial base. By ll means have pricing for larger volumes but also give a flat rate price upfront for 1.
According to Asrock, this does not have dual 2.5 GbE. It has 1GbE and 2.5GbE
Could these work with an arc card with an oculink?
put proxmox on it and report idle power. Interested at how this would perform as a witness node.