Talking Unknown Founding Chapters
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 5 ส.ค. 2024
- Today I wanted to talk about the listed Unknown founding Chapters that are in the new Space Marine 9th Edition rule book, I wanted to explore their lore and what possible gene lineage they could come from
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we all know the true primach of the Blood Raven, it is Trazyn the Infinite
Facts.
I guess it was Thousands Sons ship going to Prospero during the day, Trazyn thoght "A big ship of only loyalist Thousand Sons would be a great addition" and swooshed giant Teseract Pokeball. At Solemnace while inspecting he saw that he could use them for more than mere nice thingy on shelf, so he started to use nano-scarabs to inflict them with lust for "collecting" like he has, because lust for knowledge already came from Magnus. But Trazyn didn't worked on SM before and they weren't mere humans as he thought mind-wise, they snapped before he could imprint the next thing, loyalty to him, they bashed in the ship from Solemnace taking some stuff along, but a long time has passed since they were captured, flew to some Imperium world, a lot of strange mess happened and boom fresh new Blood Ravens chapter which mysteriously doesn't know anything about from who they come and why that thing you have isn't in their hands
Wait...what?!
Steal Ray!
He made them too good at "acquiring" things because they stole a part of the ship that was warp capable and escaped. He didn't find out until he one day opened a door and almost slipped out into space.
The Mentor Legion has been around since Rogue Trader days. They were the ones to test new wargear and such. Things have changed a lot since then.
Now they teach other people how to be good soldiers.
@@robertnelson9599 Yeah. They're basically the Green Beret teams of the Astartes. Also one theory is, from 40k Theories, that they also had Primaris marines prototypes before they were a thing as Cawl was making them. Green Berets = Special Forces. A-Teams is how they mostly work. B-teams and C-teams are logistics and so on. D-team is also legendary, known as Delta Force.
Their Chapter Master is said to have personally communed with the Emperor several times, which is a rarity. Why, though, is something I've forgotten. It could have been for any of the above listed reasons: the weapons testing; the advanced training they provided to other Chapters; or even the covert missions they performed
Also annoyingly, Spears of the Emperor, Tried throwing Mentors under the Gilliman camp. should have left a perfectly good chapter alone....
@@dascoop6018 to be fair that's probably due to the link that ADB made between the Mentor Legion and the Renegade Marines down in the Spears book. He obviously didn't suggest that the Mentors were renegade, but that they adopted the heraldry of the previously loyal Chapter 😊
My "acquiring senses" were tingling that Blood Ravens would be in this video and I clicked soon as possible.
I just bought the new 7 inch tall marines im going to paint blood ravens. Great chapter!
I painted my first model in the Blood Ravens color scheme. They're my favorite chapter by far!
@@germanbaguette1535 i love you too
@@germanbaguette1535 love to see a picture of your blood ravens. I just painted a sergeant for ebay to test out my hand painting a blood raven
Good
The Black Dragons were never confirmed as a Salamanders Successor, but it's always been a part of their lore that the Magos Biologis believes them to have come from experiments on the Salamanders' geneseed. But because they're Cursed Founding, there are no records. Also, Nick Kyme's Salamanders series.
There's also a Salamanders Apothecary that was originally a Black Dragon.
@@DesertRatPainting where can i read about him?
yeah it's largely accepted that the black dragons ARE salamander successors. I believe Death on Antagonis even lists some of their mutations as similar to salamanders. (dark grey skin instead of black)
*The Tigers Argent were "mentioned" in the 5th Space Marine Codex. And by mentioned. I mean we got to see where their home world was located on a galaxy wide map and their iconography on said map.*
The tigers seem dope. I hope they get expanded.
in The Emperor's Spears novel both the Mentor legion and the Emperor's Spears themselves are revealed to be of Ultramarine descent
what isn't these days? sorry the UltraMarines are so over used.
@@Matt-md5yt It is stated that 2/3 of all chapters are of Ultramarines lineage. Makes sense that a lot of unknown chapters descend from the Smurfs.
@@robertnelson9599 and its the most stable gensed of al chapters
@@ChaosSwarm But there is also the Dark Angels and Alpha Legion with nigh perfect geneseed as well.
@@snewsom2997 alpha region doesn't count as they are traitors. Dark angels.. True they are royalist but they keep asking for founding to hunt fallen. They are suspected of legion building.
I love the carcharadons.
Who doesn't love freaking space sharks!!!
One of my absolute favorite chapters. I'm working on an all-melee army for them.
Void brothers unite!
They seem more like Night Lords then Raven Guard.
Personally I just think they are really mutated Raven Guard. I know it’s hinted that they are a combination of Raven Guard and Night Lords geneseeds, but I choose to not believe that suggestion and theory as it’s heresy.
I thought they were more like pre-Corax Raven Guard and Worldeaters. Hell, they use chainaxes.
'saving all the cool chapters for last'
Ends with Minotaurs, Iron Warriors...
Seems that being possessed by Perturabo left some marks :>
Some records of earlier Codices said that it was thought that the Black Dragons were a Salamanders Successor.
Same for the Storm Giants. Also, the Exorcists are believed to be from the 13th "Dark" Founding.
They're almost certainly both Salamanders successors, but there are no 'official' ones, so GW can't confirm it without buggering up their own lore.
Arch, 40k Theories, Tactica Imperialis all have fantastic videos on the Black Dragons ("supposed" Salamanders successors, but are so secretive because of their mutations, of which they believe is a symbol of honor to them, that they actually came into conflict with the Salamanders at one point) and also great videos on other chapters from the Cursed Founding in general
Ordo malleus doesn't even deal with Traitors, they deal with Daemons and the Warp. Thus why the Exorcists have close ties with them.
Problem is that daemons and traitors go hand in hand.
Malleus deals with the traitor legions while Hereticus deals with traitors from the loyalist legions.
@@ilovepandas1246 actually both of them deal with both of those, but Malleus is specifically to do with warpcraft and daemons, whereas hereticus is corruption (of any kind) within the imperium
plus the Grey Knights are a part of the Ordo Malleus
I would add that this also includes people or factions that have already openly turned against the imperium, in terms of the jurisdiction of the ordo hereticus
I'm reading Spear of the Emperor right now. Only about 100 pages in and there is one Mentor in there and he quite clearly states Guilliman is their primarch, however they were completely recreated from scratch so this is very interesting.
not to spoil anything but at a later point in that book it is confirmed the mentors are sons of Guilliman.
@@MinervaMaidenOfMayhem its not really a spoiler. All markers pointed that way
While WE know that, in universe the chapter is extremely secretive about who their gene-sire is.
So maybe they are on the list of unknown foundings not because nobody IRL knows where they are from, but because in universe they are categorized as coming from an unknown founding.
That's three of them that are unusually large and strong - Black Dragons, Mentors, Storm Giants. The Salamanders are bigger than most marines.
Primaris test-runs, perhaps?
Alpha Legion are bigger than most marines*
@@anoninunen it's possible considering the primaris are considered to be created from the improved marines corvis tried to make.
As someone who used to have a Mentor's Legion army years ago, I approve! The idea they had Primaris before everyone else would actually line up to some older lore regarding how they'd test experimental ideas/devices for the Macanicus.
Wadnt that in the second edition?
Black dragons... sounds raven guardish to me (mutations....)
Chapter Master Valrak likes my comment. Blessed be Dorn and the Holy Emperor of Mankind. From a Black Templars player since 4th edition (Armaggedon Codex)
I was thinking Salamanders.
The mutations kinda makes me think Raven Guard too
Black Dragons are from 21st founding. Supposedly Salamanders. Thought to do genesplicing themselves.
I came to make this comment idk when or where I heard it but I remember it was a 50/50 salamanders or raven guard due to them looking like raven guard mutants with pale skin and black eyes
The retcon of the White Templars feels like a nod to the story ‘The chamber at the end of memory’ where it’s revealed that Dorn inducted marines from the missing legions into the Fists
It'd be cool if the Minotaurs were actually like Thunder Warriors Mk2, no Primarchs, they'd be like a pre-Primaris, focusing solely on destructive power.
Yep it would be
I think it would make more sense if that was the Storm Giants.
The Mentor Legion is a known founding. GW is forgetting their own lore. They are an Ultramarines Successor. This comes from the Spear of the Emperor novel by ADB. In fact the image used for the Mentors is the Mentor character in that novel.
"Exorcists probably have heretical geneseed from the XIII Legion." "I knew the Ultramarines were traitors!"
Exorcists are probably still Grey Knights' Successors, but that's supposed to be hush hush, and even then, the Imperium at large doesn't even know where Grey Knights geneseed comes from.
@@kol_ceridwen In one of the Deathwatch novels, an Exorcist is seconded to the Kill-Team. Its stated that the Exorcists are a successor chapter of the Grey Knights, but their lineage is kept secret. Grey Knights are routinely present for the initiation process of new Exorcist marines
It has been STRONGLY hinted that the Grey Knights and subsequently the Excorsists geneseed is directly from the Emperor.
@@samueldoran7712 its just mention in one short story and may be a misunderstanding from the autor. Before the lore was something like the ordo malleus tryed to found a chapter with higher resistances against the warp. They were unable to replicate the GK so they come up with this way to improve the Marines.
It would make more sense because if they had the same geneseed they may cant even possessed by a demon.
The lore had so many flaws in it that made no sense and the Autor "Steve Parker" had also only written 5 Books für the WH40k System in 15 Years so he may just throw some stuff together for his short story. :/
Sadly this happen regular that some guys mixed up stuff because they are just hired for one Book and normally write...idk cookbooks or something.
@Adeptus AstartesIts only mentioned in "Headhunted" ph 279 that they are successors of the Grey knights, from a Freelancer Autor. This is the Point and not the first time some storys messed up with the lore. Especially in a short Story GW may not look too deep into it if something is off. You may take a deeper look in the GK lore and see how many problems this construction cause.
I would'nt take that as a fixed background of this Chapter, GW dont look to deep in such chapters and with a new GK Codex they may just say this is BS and that was it.
Blood Ravens be comin through yo windows, hide yo wife hide yo kids
Todeh we have the enemeh! We will not fehle
hide yo relics
I mean the tatics they had in that one issue of what dwarf were actually solid. I've out castled imperal fists and ultramarines players before. Plus the stratagem chef Liberian is scary when you field a librarian with a jump back and supressors covering it from enemy fire
I think you just spelt “Word Bearers” wrong
@@Defileros they don't break in, they knock on you door polite like, wearing white coloured shirts, with little books it the shirt pocket, and ask you if you've excepted the chaos gods as your overlords yet
Funny thing about the Storm Giants: It's suspected that they are Salamanders, because it's believed they practice a form of the Promethean Creed.
Also let's not forget "Chimaric" or "Hybrid" gene-seed has been seen in the lore. The Firemasters could be Salamanders+Imperial Fists.
I always assumed blood ravens were a mix of Blood Angels and Raven Guard for this exact reason.
The Raven Guard have one cool successor that I'm aware of, the Raptors, and it's criminal how little attention they've gotten.
Here two years later. Raptors have official decals packaged in the Leviathan Box set, and I'm really hoping they get a book or something.
The Tigers Argent were created for the Deathwatch RPG by Fantasy Flight, there's an old dreadnought from them who had thought they had died out.
Always saw the Red Scorpions as an Emp's Children successor due to their massive amount of apothecaries and thier...hunger for perfect purity in all they do.
People say behavior alone is not a genetic argument, but consider the Red Scorpions own the following:
• A chapter forge that can produce MK4 suits.
• Deimos and Proteus pattern tanks
• Many MK4 pattern dreadnoughts
• A Kharybdyss assault claw
• Two Leviathan dreadnoughts
• At least one Tartaros terminator
That's the arsenal of a second or third founding chapter, not a chapter from M35. And unlike the Minotaurs, they are not actively supplied by big honchos such as the High Lords or the inquisition.
Sirae Kaaragon's relic breastplate also happens to a Palatine Aquila emblazoned on it, but that could be just FW sculptors being used to Heresy.
Magnus is is one eyed like the Norse god Odin who is depicted with a lust for knowledge and raven’s . and the blood drop could symbolize that they are the blood of Magnus.
Most of these seem like salamanders successors. Even the taller and stronger space marine chapters sound like salamanders because the salamanders are bigger and stronger than normal space marines like vulkan.
The black dragons storm giants and fire lords were listed as the salamanders only successors up unto this point on the old lexicanum seems like gw are trying to revamp them a bit with new successors and making the old ones more mysterious
According to the book Rebirth the Black Dragons Are sired from Vulkan
my understanding from past edition is the excorcists were created as a sort of sucessor to the grey knights, however they dont use the grey knight gene-seed (due to their protection of it) and the origin of the seed they use was kept quiet. grey knights do however have ties with them as part of the process of the excorcits creation process (by aiding with the excorcism)
Tigers Argent were an older chapter. I remember reading about them in 40 lexicanum years ago. Im almost certain they arent new with this codex.
The comment i came for right here
After learning a bit about the Carcharodons and seeing a kit bashed and painted by Dana Howl. I've honestly been considering building a small force of Space Sharks.
I love them. I'm working on a full 2K melee army, led by the Red Wake himself.
Thought you would of mentioned Mentors being possibly Alpha Legion gene-stock, given alpha legion have larger than usual astartes and similar methods...
They are confirmed smurfs
@@alexmag342 If they are Alpha Legion, thats what they would want you to think
Mentor Legion were the "uses experimental tech" chapter and I'd think it is more likely the larger warrior suggestion is that Cawl was using them to test Primaris in the wild before Roboute's return.
@Karol Jeske The testing of experimental tech hasn't been retconned, it's still a thing. Their combat serfs are certainly not better equipped than a marine captain. They just had advanced cybernetic limbs and shotguns specifically designed to punch through a marine's armour.
I always felt like the Red Scorpions were an Emperor's Children successor due to the perfection in their geneseed, their high volume of apothecaries, and how that mirrors the sons of Fulgrim
Based on your description of the Mentors, I’m actually inclined to suspect that they’re descendants of the Alpha Legion. If I recall correctly, the Alpha Legion, despite being so sneaky by nature, had a tendency to grow bigger than average Marines, to the point where their smaller than average Primarch could pass himself off as one, or vise versa. Their penchant for secrecy could also be a hold over from the Alpha Legion as well.
The Mentors are Ultramarine successors.
There are no smurfs there all Alpha legion
Honestly, when I heard they're secretive and prefer to work alone, I thought Dark Angels. I had never heard of them before today, though, so that's just a first impression.
As a loyal son of Dorn my entire primaris force has been done in an imperial fists successor in the form of Fists examplars!
Iron within, iron without!
there is no traitor geneseed among the astartes of the imperium.
Especially not us minotaurs.
Iron within, bronze without!
Personally, I believe Red Scorpions are sourced from Emperor's Children geneseed.
A lot of people say they are Word Bearers successors, but I think EC are a better fit.
@@robertnelson9599 The purity of the RS's geneseed and their pursuit of perfection in all things is definitely pre-Heresy Emperor's Children
Yep it's all about that pure gene seed and obsession around purity, just like a Emperors Children
@Matthew Beattie Like to go around in grey uniforms, are obsessed about their genetic purity and any deviation from the human form, really hate mutants and aliens and heretics, incredibly militaristic in their structure..........yeah it’s been pointed out
I always thought the Storm Giants were Salamanders
Birds remind me more of the Raven Guard, Raptor etc. The Raptors symbol is pretty similar and they are secretive.
Everything about the Exorcists screams loyalist Word Bearers; their look, their mission, their tactics, everything.
Making Minotaur now. Army is just 30 Terminators w/SS&TH, Hekaton Aiakos & Asterion Moloc for a thematic 300/Fluff win
The Storm Giants manning the Blood Angel vehicles to provide cover fire for Tycho as he succumb to the Black Rage before falling in battle, the background for the 3rd War of Armageddon was amazing!
The Exorcists were definitely a Grey Knights successor Chapter. For sure. They are the only Grey Knights successor.
Agreed I played grey knights and I have heard this too.
No, but they are a anti-daemons project by an unkown initiative (Inquisition?). Nearly no-one knows about the GK. As they are actively kept secret, marines are mindwiped and others are outright murdered for having seen them.
Exorcist chapter is of an unknown geneseed chapter. Exorcists chapter was made to deal with deamons and their origins and existence is usually kept secret because making an Exorcist Space Marine requires the candidate to be possessed by a deamon and must expel it through willpower alone or be executed.
@@mr.badguy8500 I'll have to disagree with. Though I can't remember the exact chapter and verse I'm pretty sure they are a Grey Knights successor.
glad you did this one and glad they are in the new book
Thank for the video really informative. I’m working on my own home brew chapter the storm drakes so people think salamander’s or imperial fist’s because of the name but I chose for there progenitor’s are dark angels
Black Dragons are my favorite. Always looking for any news or art from them. Death of Antagonis was my first Black Library book and loved it.
The fire lords have had unknown founding seance the 2017 codex, and where compared to the salamander there as well “...and they are known for the strange flame-craft they use in chapter rituals, which many finds reminiscent of the salamander.”
Also I play the fire lords
I like to believe there is secret protocol that calls all the different coloured templar chapters together to form the "Power Templars"
ASSEMBLE TITANZOID
Mentors have been mentioned since at least 2nd Ed, maybe before they have close ties to the Ad mech, they used to 'Mentor' new chapters,
Fire lords i think are mentioned in one of the censored founding 13th or 21st
Exorcists were 13th founding, they were created by having a demon posses them and then 'exorcised' in an attempt to make them more resistant to demonic/chaos effect, that's why the inquisition is involved.
Blood Ravens, everyone seemed to forget that Sanguinius was a psyker
Storm Giants are a White Scars successor, its mentioned in 3rd Ed
Brazen skulls were a Iron Hands successor, i think that's in 3rd Ed as well
My favourite one is Relictors, which where long thought to be UM successor chapter, but about 100 pages story from BL about couple years ago clearly hints that they are actually successors of Dark Angels...
There has been some theories that they might be mix of both, too.
And I'm currently putting together army of them using DA rules, but with out any primaris units as they aren't in best of terms with Imperium at the moment...
I’m currently painting fire lords as salamanders since the last codex they were in
I love the Minotaurs. I think they're Iron Warriors as well. My homebrew chapter is Primaris successor of the Minotaurs called the Black Lions. They have the same gold / red colour scheme except that characters have white helmets. I did a Sikh theme with them as well so many of those without helmets wear a turban and sport a beard.
In the early days of 40k, the Mentor Legion was amazing. You could field Mentor Legion Marines alongside your Space Marine army and they were way better than standard Marines.
Thanks for the video Valrak!
For some reason the Tigers Argents back story if making me think of some cat based 80's cartoon like voltron or thundercats. Im not as up to date on the plots of those shows as i used to be but it would be a cool little allusion if it was
One of the Vaults of Terra books revealed that the Minotaurs don't answer to just any High Lord, but only the Master of the Administratum in particular.
Also while it is listed as UM successor, I think the Silver Templars are actually a Sons of Horus successor due to how they operate, especially the go for leadership killing strike vibe etc.
For a chapter descended from Raven Guard that is neat, I would look at the Raptors.
Interesting video. I know WD had an article yeeeeears ago (like pre 2008) on converting the Black Dragons and other mutant chapters (I think they had just released the lost &damned box set). Might be some answers there?
The Mentors are in the Spears of the Emperor book and their lineage was confirm. I am not going to spoil it just read the awesome book.
It would be nice to get some Raptor lore back. Because they are the second founding to Ravenguard. Also they are reasonable and consider the codex as mere guide lines.
Outer Dark sorta confirmed
Carcharodons has a connection with the exiled Raven Guard.
Its implied they are raven guard / world eaters hybrid.
I like the idea because the traitor seed loyalists are some of the coolest chapters out there.
Exorcists are hinted to be Grey Knights successors, which are the order militant of the Ordo Malleus, so it makes total sense that the Ordo Malleus would control them.
not only do the shars have RG and NL geneseed, they also got some world eaters
2:57 Yep. Cawl was using them to test out his Primaris experiments.
I could swear at one point the astral claws (and tiger claws) were Raven Guard successors... but recently i was unable to find any offical listing of them being so. So maybe that was always just fan speculation. but i do like all the loyalist legions having a rogue chaos offshoot. In the short story Headhunted it is listed as the exorcists having the same geneseed as the grey knights.
Horus Heresy Thousand Sons. One of Magnus' sons who had already lost faith in Magnus abandoned the legion at the razing of prospero. This one son who rejected his father was a member of the corvidae sect marked by a black raven with a single blood drop upon his pauldron.
@Valrak RE: Storm Lords - I remember a White Dwarf article where a staffer called Jim (?) created them as a successor chapter to the White Scars who were themselves created by the WD editor at the time
interesting viewpoint about when the ordo malleus is involved with Space marines chapter. I think that the high lords also destroyed some gene lineages deliberately to hide some chapters created in cursed founding's or not to keep those "lonely" chapters from bounding with "Parental" Chapters. Just incase .
Space sharks are either raven guard or world eater but no matter which I love them they bring the pain.
Black Dragons are Salamanders founding chapter, i truly believe this plus they have worked together and they are good together
40k Theroirs has done great videos on the potential Gene-seed of the Mentors, White Templars. Carcardons, Storm Giants, Blood Ravens, Minotaurs, & Black Dragons Chapters. The later was speculated to be Blood Angels successors.
I'm sure that the fluff for the Fire Lords 'borrows' part of the Fire Hawks fluff, the part about not waiting for the flames to die down before they attack the enemy.
Who does not love the Blood Ravens, knowledge is power, guard it well but Magnus for them does make sense they could be some of the loyal ones that left with some of his Fleet before the space wolves attacked prospero
Khm, khm, Alpha Legion warriors usually are larger than normal astartes
Mentors are confirmed Ultramarines in Spear of the Emperor.
I'm pretty certain that Fire Lords have been confirmed as an IF successor (Legion of the Damned novel?) but GW keep them in the codex as Unknown Founding so that people can use Salamander Chapter Tactics for them.
My only custom chapter is the Forgotten Sons, space marines from the Abyssal Crusade who stayed loyal but wound lost in the warp, now they return with armor, weapons, and vehicles that are in disrepair as their sole Techmarine and master of the forge for their chapter works to keep their vessel and equipment functioning. Need ideas for color schemes of some of them though..
The storm giants appeared in codex: Armageddon. The Armageddon 3 website that promotes the campaign called them suspected Salamander successors, and the photos of their models were a tactical squad carrying a multi-melta, which was only available in the Salamanders list at the time. When you think White Scars it’s because of the Storm Lords, a totally different chapter.
The Black Dragons were described in the Salamanders Index Astartes and in the Cursed Founding Index Astartes.
People talk about lore videos on TH-cam. This is the first time I’ve watched any, and it seems like you didn’t bother to prepare. You can find this stuff with a search engine
Fire lords were from rogal dorn, as It was written in the Legion of the Damned novel, I dont know if gw changed that though
The Lore of 40k in RL is just like the in-world lore: Full of contradiction, mystery and Administratum mix ups where myth meets reality.
Off topic, it'd be interesting to see if the Sororitas will receive any upgrades as a result of Cawl's work. Maybe a new armor design and non-Astartes genetic augmentations? It could be a good storyline too--the amount of skub that would result because of their reverence for their older wargear would be fun to see.
Always had an urge to paint up some space sharks. Maybe a new kill team I fancy 😄
The Mentors sound like an Alpha Legion successor chapter. The warriors of unnatural size are likely the mini-primarchs used by the legion.
The Dragon Lords just scream Salamanders. And I sure hope so.
Blood Ravens are still cleptomanic Thousand Sons :P
It's all theory craft and all but I do so like the idea of Blood Ravens originating from loyalist parts of Thousand Sons legion. The story of their fall is truly tragic and the thought of some of Thousand Sons carrying on in the Emperors light, redeeming themselves is somehow comforting.
i am pretty sure ive seen mention of the black dragons being related to the salamnders aswell
more in support of the leftover loyalist thousand sons blood ravens theory is the bit about the corvidae cult of the thousand sons (whose emplem was a raven) being sent away from the burning of prospeo with the fleet
A couple note to help clear up your confusion on a couple of the chapters, as well as my thoughts.
Black Dragons: Speculated to be Salamanders, one of their captains served in their scout company for a bit
Storm Giants: Speculated to be Salamanders, the White Scars successor you were thinking of was the Storm Lords
Exorcists: Grey Knights, hence the secrecy and ties to the inquisition.
Mentors: A few theories surround them, I personally think it's either Ultramarines or Alpha Legion
Red Scorpions: A few theories, I personally think they're mixed Emperor's Children and Word Bearers
Minotaurs: I personally think they're mixed Iron Warriors and World Eaters
You're not alone, I could have swore at some point the Black Dragons where said to have ties to the Salamanders
Way back in rouge trader the Mentor legion used to be used for field testing new tech, weapons and armour.
id like to know more about Icefang the Tigers Argent world, because if you take its place on your book map and compare it with recent squat vid by 40k theory's and the designated squat empire around the G-core Icefang is either in or at least on the edge of said old empire.
and if there is a old dread still kicking about then the chapter is not dead, but if the dread thought they and been wiped out then that is explained by the nid attack on the squats worlds in the area.
prime plot point for the return of the squats to us.
The Fire Lords are 100% an Imperial Fists successor chapter, they took part in the Feast of Blades in "Lost and the Damned" by Rob Sanders. (Which is, the gimmiest grimdark novel in the 40k universe and is grimdark for BOTH sides. It's incredible)
I have quite a large Exorcist marine army by now. The flexibility in rules along with the cool look is just like having your cake and eating it too!
PS: the big deal about Exorcists is the need to have the exorcism after their possession ritual (hence the close cooperation with Ordo Malleus) and pretty much all sources quote GK gene seed making the primarch the Big E.
The Exorcists are basically mundane Daemon Hunters for the Ordo Malleus. Apparently the theory goes that being possessed once makes it harder to be possessed again. Possibly sharing the chimeric lineage of the Grey Knights.
As for the aspersions cast on Ordo connected Chapters there are some Deathwatch sons of Dorn feeling a bit betrayed. Not to mention they Deathwatch being founded by the Last Imperial Fist.
We know from Spear of the Emperor by ADB that the Mentors are Ultramarines successors; I can't quite explain it without spoiling, but due to some medical shit later in the book, we essentially get confirmation that they are children of Ultramar.
"Don't @ me, Minotaurs players"
Thats ironic coming from an Imperials Fist, seeing as the chapter most meant to exemplify your ideals had most of its ranks fall to chaos and join the *I R O N W A R R I O R S !*
The new carcharodon book basically straight up says that they are full blown Raven Guard. They were the Raven Guard who fought on Terra and were agro slave takers. Corax did not like this but they refused to change so he told them to get lost if they were going to act like that, so they hang out in the abyss outside the galaxy. They are currently ganking incoming nid swarms.
Black Dragons are an offical unoffical successor and in some of the last 40k Salamander novels they basically say their geneseed is closer to theirs to any other cousins geneseed.
There is alot of heresay weather 21st 23rd and 26th foundings had unqiue chapters like the 21st being known as the curse founding.
I’m currently making primarus only astral knights and playing with silver Templar rules. But yea if they bring back the astral knights I’d be hyped AF!!!
What about the Red Hunters? They have to be the most well known of the Inquisitorial SM chapters. They basically pop up wherever Inquisition pops up.