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Great video, I think you should truly make a series out of it, other interesting chapters you should talk about are the Death Spectres, Flame Eagles and Dark Krakens.
Theres a pretty decent book Death of Antagonis, that is a Black Dragons story. The Antagonist in the book is interesting but ultimately feels a bit flat, but the Space Marine story is a good deep dive into the mindset of a space marine
one of the Black Dragons how was prisonner of the dark eldar is now serving in the Salamanders, it's in a book, can't remember the name but for me they seems like a chimera, with geneseed from the Salamanders AND the Blood Angels the "monsters" unleashed by the Black Dragons look A LOT like a deformed version of the black rage
@@Lazrael32 I mean I want a book or lore to mention these chapters. I love these videos but at the same time it’s not the same as reading the heroics, corruption, or chaos created by these marines.
@@Mace-1191 Blood Angels who are more similar to Night Lords than really much else When the Great rift happened, thry even abandoned their world to seek out the Emperors enemies in the Void, as opposed to defending their world
@@Mace-1191 they are a chapter of blood angel successor who fight using tactics more akijnti those used during the great crusade/heresy. They are often seen to be more similar in his they function to the Carcharodons. heresy they also have one of the largest concentrations of hereasy weapons out of any chapter. And when not in battle almost all of them are in some form of stssis In coffin’s.
So glad you’re covering some off the beaten path chapters! The Black Dragons have always been one of my favorite chapters! Can’t wait to learn about the others you discuss
I figured it would work really well for a series as there a ton of really interesting chapters most people don't know, and a lot of them sadly don't have enough lore for a dedicated deep dive.
Best part of Warhammer is the not talked about stuff, like Xeno species, background Lore, Background chapters. Always more interesting than the main lore IMO.
The inscription on the Warp Ghosts' pauldron is proper Latin, not dog Latin like most things in 40k, which is interesting. The EXACT translation reads "We will take the souls of the damned into the abyss", which has a slightly different connotation than Khayon's translation
"Something the Inquisition are Not happy about" Well, are they ever? Great vid mate, love hearing of more obscure parts of the lore, especially among basically the face of the franchise
There's an old 40K theory that says that all of the cursed founding chapters are experiments created to test various gen seed alterations by belisarius. A lot of the known mutations found in the cursed founding chapters directly correlate to primaris. The accelerated bone growth of the black dragons is one of them. Another chapter from this founding we're also gigantic.
Dude, I don't even play the game, nor do I think I ever will, but I've watched so many of your videos. They interesting, entertaining, and well put together. Keep up the good work, and I wish you future success.
The Black Dragons short story in the recent Sucessor collection was PHENOMENAL. I hope they are goven more love, eager to read the old Salamanders novel to see the chaos tainted Black Dragon
Ever since I’ve found your channel on accident I’ve found myself getting more and more interested in the lore. Despite watching most of your videos I can tell I’ve barely scratched the surface of everything
I've read & own about 60 WH fantasy books (Gotrek & Felix Slayer series in particular) but there is just so many channels for 40K that I could just watch some new lore anytime.
My opinion is that the Warp Ghosts are the first Corrupted Primaris Marine chapter, armour marks that the observers don't recognize, ships that are distinctly human but are unfamiliar
@@briantalmage4498 Time travel is not unheard of in the Warp. There are many reports of ships emerging from the Immaterium in a time even before they had originally launched.
@@briantalmage4498 A guardsman warp in time to the old great crusade and when he wanted to warn the emperor he got kill because remember nobody in that moment believe Horus was a traitor
@@Gut7891 I have heard of instances of time travel through out the warhammer 40k time line. This is not one.of them. The Warp Ghosts are not corrupted Primaris Space Marines. There is no lore backing that up. If you believe there is go ahead and let me know the exact source and page number or quote and what book, magazine, codex or exactly where it came from. Besides the Warp Ghosts are so dam powerful it is completely irrelevant if there primaris or regular space marines. If you can't see that than you didn't read the excerpt from the story or read it and had no idea what they were talking about.
I had never heard of the exorcists but I love the concept. I like Raven guard but they're not obscure, and my only obscure fave would be the Soul Drinkers.
I can just imagine the surprise of the red hunters every time they come across the space wolves and the space wolves start throwing hands because you know they haven't forgotten what they did
i always found the storm giants interesting. i first heard of them in a youtube video years ago and if i remember right they are known for immense strength (even by space marine standards). the youtuber who mentioned them said they could be a space marine thunder/warrior hynird which is unlikely but sounded cool. theyre likely sons of vulkan and i wish we saw more of vulkans gene sons in general. we have the imperial fists, crimson fists and black templars and each represents a part of rogal dorns personality. the black templars his rage, the imperial fists his stoicism and the crimson fists his stubborness. we dont have anything like that for vulkan and that feels like a huge waste.
Would be awesome if the Carcharadons were in the next video for the series. A bunch of silent grey astartes with the brutality of the world eaters and the stealth of nightlords is just awesome.
The Grey Knights and Inquistion are more intertwined than you described, Malcador created both alongside each other and the Grey Knights routinely act as the military arm of the Ordo Malleus.
The Mentors and Death Specters definitely need more love. I can imagine a whole line of models for the Specters, if these guys have such an important job that even the indomitus crusade isn't worth their time, you know they gotta have some dope gear in that base of theirs
The Steel Confessors are a super cool legion that more people should know about, quite literally being a chapter made by the Admech for the Admech; essentially Space Marine Skitarii!
Love your content wes, just started getting into WH40K lore like 2 weeks ago and im pretty sure ive binge watched most of the long form videos youve ever made. Keep it up!
I remember picking up the Exorcists when they were rumored to be Grey Knight successors. I was a little disappointed at first that they weren't, but the chapter is so ridiculously metal that I can hardly complain.
"While I am troubled by the sheer number of wayward sons my legion has produced, I must admit that the thought process behind this particular chapter's actions at least has some logic behind the reasoning. -even if I do not approve of the action themselves." -TTS Dorn, maybe
I'm still running with the GK successor idea for mine. The old stuff implies and in one place even explicitly states it, the new Imperial Fists stuff has a few inconsistencies that allow us to play it off as a cover story if we like to. And I like to :)
I have a theory on the Warp Ghosts. What if they are one of the Lost Legions? Maybe the 2nd or 11th Legions had too much Warp taint to the point that they possess Blank qualities yet exist in the Warp and cannot live anywhere else? Or they could be a legion that belongs to an Eldritch being that even the Chaos Gods wouldn't mess with?
@@weshammer Or it could be a legion that belongs to one of the 20 mini gods that the Emperor made a deal with and when he stiffed them, one of them decided to make their own legion within the Warp and maybe there could be a representing "Primarch" for the Warp Ghosts in the Warp.
Relictors! Using Chaos to fight Chaos as they themselves mutate due to its influence. Yet despite all of that, they stayed loyal until their complete destruction. I'm aware the main reason they get no love is because they are dead and gone, but I still wish they had more small stories about them or some kind of dedicated short series.
I am happy that you took care of the bots and not many youtuber does that so I am really really happy that I subscribed to you who tells interesting stories and also cares about his community :)
There's a series of books called "The Runelords" by the author David Farland in which the powers-that-be gain insane levels of power by robbing people of their physical abilities, and adding it to their own. They _have to keep the people they've robbed alive_ however, otherwise they lose the enhancement to their abilities, so war often involves wiping out these populations of people to weaken each other. The Exorcist chapter reminds me of this, but in reverse. Each of those imprisoned failed-space marines is like a tiny army of demons in an easily-deliverable package and I can't imagine anything good coming of the practice. Is there a Beastman chapter out there somewhere? I love that the beastmen can exist as abhuman citizens inside the Imperium, and can be fanatically loyal even though they're so hated. That they are consistent in their mutation too just seems like the kind of thing that would lead to one existing somewhere, just like the Black Dragons.
Honestly the Black Dragons are my favourite chapters and I love seeing videos about them and the art for them is incredible. The short story about them in the book The Successors is also really good. Bless The Curse.
I lile the mentors. They go around the imperium assisting the imperivm training special forces, strenghtening garrisons and using them to tip the scales galaxy wide. Reasonable marines without fanon.
The verb form of ‘exorcism’ is to ‘exorcise’, you said it right my dude. It just so happens that in the process, the demon is excised from the host. Similar etymologies
One really cool chapter that's sadly been ruined as time went on were the Mentors They were a secretive yet loyal chapter that worked alongside inquisitors and techproests a d they'd test out new weapons and xenotech, and deploy with other chapters to test the weapons in combat Now they're just high lords pawns and possibly on the edge of corruption
Please do more of these videos and maybe go into Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Eldar, Tau or Tyranids of factions that get mentioned but aren't spoken much about. Just an idea of what I think would be interesting. Keep up the good work Wes really enjoy the videos you put out for our enjoyment
I gotta say, out of all the underrated Space Marines my favorite are a bit more tame. I’ve really liked the Mentor Marines ever since I’ve first heard of them. A chapter that works in small groups to aid other characters or more likely to train a populace do defend themselves against the threats of the galaxy is something I like in media in general but as far as I can tell there’s next to no info on them, and I’d totally want them in my army if I had one
Black legion novel with the warp time f***ery was great plot twist! Just because of how the warp works, I think the warriors they saw were the men they sacrificed just like Ashokai(sp). The exorcist are definitely the gnarly of this video for sure! The broken ones are definitely grim and dark
Yo! I am making my kill teams (and eventually and army) of Red Hunters. I am a writer, and so I wanted to pick a chapter with not much info, and then write my own backstory. My Lore for them: During and following the Horus Heresy, the imperium had to deal with Marines that seemed to be loyal amongst traitors. Maybe a squad or company from a traitor legion that were able to escape their traitorous brethren. Maybe a company or squad from a loyalist chapter declared for the warmaster, and a small loyal group kills them before turning themselves in. It was to address this issue that the forms and functions of the inquisition began to take shape. Marines that were cleared of being heretics were put together into a chapter known as the Red Hunters. They were tasked with hunting heretics and traitors as recompense for not being able to prevent the fall of their brothers. Due to this chapters intimate knowledge and extensive contact with Chaos, it was decided that they would not receive new Marines. The chapter's numbers dwindled as attrition took its toll. Following the disastrous 21st cursed founding, the inquisition decided to revitalize the chapter so that they could take a crusade to track down and exterminate any cursed chapters that betrayed the imperium. So, during the 22nd founding, the Red Hunters used unknown geneseed to bring their numbers back to that of full chapter strength.
My favourite from these... I really want it to be the Warp Ghosts, but we don't enough about them. I mean, they say their armour and ships are futuristic, but futuristic how? How are they different, how are they more advanced? So I'm going to have to say the Black Dragons are the favourite on this list, since they help show the potential for beneficial Gene-seed mutations. Imagine if that mutation was included in the original Legions and made wide-spread? All the Space Marines could have retractable bone blades! It would be awesome. And they aren't the only examples.
I think my favorite is the Death Spectres. The lore about the throne under their home world is pretty neat. If you want to learn about them read the Deathwatch book from the Talon Squad series.
Death of Antagonis is a pretty good (in my opinion) Black Dragons novel, which deals with their struggle with the inquisition while trying to fight chaos. It also suggests that they are one of groups of astartes that see's the emperor as a god (if i'm remembering correctly). It also deals with some rogue exorcists! I love hearing about new chapters so thank you for the video. A bit off topic but it'd be awesome if you read Assassinorum Kingmaker. it's by the same author as The Infinite and the Divine, and is basically a giant heist movie in 40k. except... replace the heist with a hit. I have seen absolutely nobody cover it and while not as good as infinite and divine i still think it's pretty awesome to learn more about the assassins.
I'll have to check that out! I'm actually reading the ravenor novels right now and if you like heist stories you would love those books! It's part of the inquisitor series so it's the sequel to eisenhorn.
@@weshammer it's on my list. I'm making my way through different things. It's hard for me to read a whole trilogy because i want to read so many different things! Lol
15:00 This is just basic genetic structuralism. The god emperor designed them to have these random "mutations", which are not cancerous chaotic mutations, but stable mutations that occur under specific circumstances according to a specific genetic design. I mean, their name is literally black dragons. It was done on purpose by their creator
So Dorn's geneseed does give you some kind of resistence of warp things. Or et least the willpower bonus to battle then. Dosn't the Black Templas has some resist as well?
Black dragons: relatively small successor chapter, seem to manage their heavily mutated brothers with little to no casualties, loyal, seem to not hide the “mutations” = bad. MEANWHILE All of the space wolfs! All of the blood angles except for like 5? The other successors of ultramarines that eat people!
In your next one you could talk about the Star Phantoms. There’s not a ton of information for them besides the fact that they’re probably a dark angels successor chapter (their chapters symbol is that of the dreadwing) and both groups refuse to acknowledge it.
The novel on the black dragons refutes the rumor of altering their gene seed, a group sprung up of the unmutated or semi mutated that revolted. It makes no mention of it and if it was true they would have demanded the practice stop not just shun the mutated.
LOLZ! Wes I loved that hilarious phoney game ad. I was thinking : What the hell lame-ass commercial is this? Where is the pull the lever to win real cash gameplay? Everyone knows that all games have a pull the lever in it
I have 2 ideas for what the Warp Ghosts may be. Version 1: Since humanity heavily guards the entrence to the Warp, The Warp Ghosts could be a specialized leagon designed for guarding the entrence on the other side of the Eye of Terror. This could be done by having them be based on a type of assisns that exist in the Imperium. I don't remember theyre name, but to my knowledge they didn't have souls. So maybe a Space Marine version of those ? Version 2: They are the 2nd or the 11th legion, that got banished into the Warp. Or the 2nd and 11th legion are specialy designed for guarding the Eye of Terror, which is why we don't know about them. Version 2.5: Just athought but maybe they are 1 of the lost Prymarchs that got split into pices and now exist in the warp.
Before watching: Future space marines: no idea, this should be fun Black spike: obviously Black Dragons Monster hunters: assuming you don’t mean Deathwatch (since they’re well known), then Red Hunters, infamous for the Months of Shame (though they’re omitted from the song) Demon-hosts: Exorcists, obviously (though I vaguely recall that Grey Knights also do this)
My favorite legion will always be the legion of the damned coming out of nowhere when the battle seems all but lost encased in glowing orange fire yet jet black and being hit by large amount of enemy fire they take no damage and they disappear once the battle is over just as they came
One thing you forgot to mention #WesHammer. The Black Dragons actually fight a part of the Exorcists chapter. In the book Death of Antagonis, their enemy is a warband called the Swords Of Epiphany. You find out they are all failed aspirants of the Exorcists, they are all still possessed by daemons.
@@Brandelwyn Supposedly the leader of the warband was a regular human. Think an ex inquisitor, and worked with the Exorcists until he went traitor. He could've had numerous marines possessed but contained in prison for study and then released to follow him
@@edwardhayes6816 cardinal nessun, yeah, I remember that, but failed candidates werent supposed to be imprisoned, they are usually exterminated on the spot by sanctified acid
At 25:50 the image it shows whilst talking about the demon cages(forgot the name) is incorrectly portraying their level of respect for them because one of the chosen fell but could still be useful they would be respected not mistreated their body's never being physically harmed by the other marines except in worst case scenarios
I’ve heard of the Black Dragons before (RIP Vaults of Terra), and they are probably my all-time favorite chapter. Basically take Baraka from Mortal Kombat, make him 2-3 feet taller, and slap some jet-black power armor on him. NEED I SAY MORE?! 🤩
Black dragon apothecary: our gene seed makes our members grow out of control. Ordo malleus inquisitor: "sounds sleneeshi to me" Black dragon: "yeah huge bones" Inquisitor: "you're not making it sound any better"
Warp Ghosts: Why do I think about Melchiah from Soul Reaver? Black Dragons: Awesome Half-Dragon like dudes with retractable bone blades, horns and fangs and taller than ordinary Space Marines. Red Hunters: Regulary mind whiped demon hunters. Exorcists: Self exposision to demons in order to be immune against posession and corruption. Interesting idea.
Wonderful insight! Thanks for yet another intriguing video! I'm playing Boltgun right now while listening to these videos in the background. I think I'm becoming a major Warhammer fanboy now :D
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Great video, I think you should truly make a series out of it, other interesting chapters you should talk about are the Death Spectres, Flame Eagles and Dark Krakens.
I play salamanders and absolutely love the idea of black dragons being potential successors of us
They were made to be bigger(thats why the bone deformation exists) so it makes sense that they would pick the biggest marines, the salamanders to mod
It's been nearly a decade since I read it, but I think it's confirmed in the salamanders omnibus (it's not a great read though)
Theres a pretty decent book Death of Antagonis, that is a Black Dragons story. The Antagonist in the book is interesting but ultimately feels a bit flat, but the Space Marine story is a good deep dive into the mindset of a space marine
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one of the Black Dragons how was prisonner of the dark eldar is now serving in the Salamanders, it's in a book, can't remember the name
but for me they seems like a chimera, with geneseed from the Salamanders AND the Blood Angels
the "monsters" unleashed by the Black Dragons look A LOT like a deformed version of the black rage
This needs to become a series Wes.
I concur.
I agree!
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Agreed
I want so many more stories and information for the:
Relictors
Carachadons
Minotaurs
Spider lords
Spider knights
Iron snakes
Death specters
Exorcists
No
@@emmanuelodii5940 why
Space sharks!
he talks about the exorcists in this video. 0.o the death spectres have the most interesting lore. but also almost no lore.
@@Lazrael32 I mean I want a book or lore to mention these chapters. I love these videos but at the same time it’s not the same as reading the heroics, corruption, or chaos created by these marines.
Think the Charnel Guard should get a little more shine particularly as to why they are not recognize even though everyone knows their origin
Never heard of them 😅
Same. Charnel who ?
@@Mace-1191 Blood Angels who are more similar to Night Lords than really much else
When the Great rift happened, thry even abandoned their world to seek out the Emperors enemies in the Void, as opposed to defending their world
@@Mace-1191 they are a chapter of blood angel successor who fight using tactics more akijnti those used during the great crusade/heresy. They are often seen to be more similar in his they function to the Carcharodons. heresy they also have one of the largest concentrations of hereasy
weapons out of any chapter. And when not in battle almost all of them are in some form of stssis In coffin’s.
Stinky zombie vamps ewwwww
So glad you’re covering some off the beaten path chapters! The Black Dragons have always been one of my favorite chapters! Can’t wait to learn about the others you discuss
I figured it would work really well for a series as there a ton of really interesting chapters most people don't know, and a lot of them sadly don't have enough lore for a dedicated deep dive.
Best part of Warhammer is the not talked about stuff, like Xeno species, background Lore, Background chapters. Always more interesting than the main lore IMO.
@@weshammer not a lesser known chapter but a deep dive I would love is the Novamarines
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The inscription on the Warp Ghosts' pauldron is proper Latin, not dog Latin like most things in 40k, which is interesting. The EXACT translation reads "We will take the souls of the damned into the abyss", which has a slightly different connotation than Khayon's translation
Now here me out, what if the warp ghosts have tech from the dark age of technology
"Something the Inquisition are Not happy about"
Well, are they ever?
Great vid mate, love hearing of more obscure parts of the lore, especially among basically the face of the franchise
Only when blowing up planets.
I’m pretty sure smiling is heresy to them
They never seem to be in a good mood. The Mechanicus are frequently assholes too
There's an old 40K theory that says that all of the cursed founding chapters are experiments created to test various gen seed alterations by belisarius. A lot of the known mutations found in the cursed founding chapters directly correlate to primaris. The accelerated bone growth of the black dragons is one of them. Another chapter from this founding we're also gigantic.
If you read the old White Dwarf magazine, it becomes apparent that Fabius Bile had a hand in that project
@@Brandelwyn wait wasnt Fabius a Emperors Children unit?
@@EchoARC6895 yes
Aren't the Salamanders also really huge, like naturally? Their primarch is teh biggest one i think.
@DekkarJr no, he's shorter than both corax and ferrus at least
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Dude, I don't even play the game, nor do I think I ever will, but I've watched so many of your videos. They interesting, entertaining, and well put together. Keep up the good work, and I wish you future success.
Same, I don't play any of the warhammer stuff, but I love game lore shit and I love how he covers it
I only own 60 something WH fantasy books but finally gave in to 40K lore vids since there are so many channels on it.
Me too, I just love the lore videos. Such vast world building
The Black Dragons short story in the recent Sucessor collection was PHENOMENAL. I hope they are goven more love, eager to read the old Salamanders novel to see the chaos tainted Black Dragon
Ever since I’ve found your channel on accident I’ve found myself getting more and more interested in the lore. Despite watching most of your videos I can tell I’ve barely scratched the surface of everything
I've read & own about 60 WH fantasy books (Gotrek & Felix Slayer series in particular) but there is just so many channels for 40K that I could just watch some new lore anytime.
I have been the same as well bro
My opinion is that the Warp Ghosts are the first Corrupted Primaris Marine chapter, armour marks that the observers don't recognize, ships that are distinctly human but are unfamiliar
The primaris marines were not even thought of until well after the 13th crusade so unless they can time travel that is impossible.
@@briantalmage4498 Time travel is not unheard of in the Warp. There are many reports of ships emerging from the Immaterium in a time even before they had originally launched.
@@briantalmage4498 A guardsman warp in time to the old great crusade and when he wanted to warn the emperor he got kill because remember nobody in that moment believe Horus was a traitor
@@thelion2751i... did you have a stroke?
@@Gut7891 I have heard of instances of time travel through out the warhammer 40k time line. This is not one.of them. The Warp Ghosts are not corrupted Primaris Space Marines. There is no lore backing that up. If you believe there is go ahead and let me know the exact source and page number or quote and what book, magazine, codex or exactly where it came from. Besides the Warp Ghosts are so dam powerful it is completely irrelevant if there primaris or regular space marines. If you can't see that than you didn't read the excerpt from the story or read it and had no idea what they were talking about.
Id love to see you talk about the minotaurs, just on the bases of their strange loyalty to the highlords
I wonder what the Minotaurs do now that Rumble-buff and Counter-punch deposed the high lords?
I had never heard of the exorcists but I love the concept. I like Raven guard but they're not obscure, and my only obscure fave would be the Soul Drinkers.
I can just imagine the surprise of the red hunters every time they come across the space wolves and the space wolves start throwing hands because you know they haven't forgotten what they did
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i always found the storm giants interesting. i first heard of them in a youtube video years ago and if i remember right they are known for immense strength (even by space marine standards). the youtuber who mentioned them said they could be a space marine thunder/warrior hynird which is unlikely but sounded cool. theyre likely sons of vulkan and i wish we saw more of vulkans gene sons in general. we have the imperial fists, crimson fists and black templars and each represents a part of rogal dorns personality. the black templars his rage, the imperial fists his stoicism and the crimson fists his stubborness. we dont have anything like that for vulkan and that feels like a huge waste.
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I would love to hear of a chapter that gave up power armor to more like Catachan Jungle Fighters.
Would be awesome if the Carcharadons were in the next video for the series. A bunch of silent grey astartes with the brutality of the world eaters and the stealth of nightlords is just awesome.
All Chapters refuse to fight along side them. Salamanders: Do not speak of such things to our little brothers!
The Grey Knights and Inquistion are more intertwined than you described, Malcador created both alongside each other and the Grey Knights routinely act as the military arm of the Ordo Malleus.
The Mentors and Death Specters definitely need more love. I can imagine a whole line of models for the Specters, if these guys have such an important job that even the indomitus crusade isn't worth their time, you know they gotta have some dope gear in that base of theirs
The Steel Confessors are a super cool legion that more people should know about, quite literally being a chapter made by the Admech for the Admech; essentially Space Marine Skitarii!
Love your content wes, just started getting into WH40K lore like 2 weeks ago and im pretty sure ive binge watched most of the long form videos youve ever made. Keep it up!
always love to see someone new to the hobby
Welcome, Brother. As a 20ish year old fan of the universe I can say You chose a great mentor to start ;)
I remember picking up the Exorcists when they were rumored to be Grey Knight successors. I was a little disappointed at first that they weren't, but the chapter is so ridiculously metal that I can hardly complain.
"While I am troubled by the sheer number of wayward sons my legion has produced, I must admit that the thought process behind this particular chapter's actions at least has some logic behind the reasoning. -even if I do not approve of the action themselves." -TTS Dorn, maybe
It wasnt a rumor, it was a certified fact mentioned in a Deathwatch short story, but they retconned it.
It's a Common knowledge they come from the seed of Lorgar Dorn.
I'm still running with the GK successor idea for mine. The old stuff implies and in one place even explicitly states it, the new Imperial Fists stuff has a few inconsistencies that allow us to play it off as a cover story if we like to. And I like to :)
I have a theory on the Warp Ghosts. What if they are one of the Lost Legions? Maybe the 2nd or 11th Legions had too much Warp taint to the point that they possess Blank qualities yet exist in the Warp and cannot live anywhere else? Or they could be a legion that belongs to an Eldritch being that even the Chaos Gods wouldn't mess with?
That's a pretty good theory! I like it.
@@weshammer Or it could be a legion that belongs to one of the 20 mini gods that the Emperor made a deal with and when he stiffed them, one of them decided to make their own legion within the Warp and maybe there could be a representing "Primarch" for the Warp Ghosts in the Warp.
I hope you do a deep dive on the mysterious 13th Founding.
I know for a fact that the 2nd and 11th Legions along with their Primarchs personally took part in the infamous Rangdan Xenocides.
Maybe a being so dangerous that even the chaos gods dont want to mess with
The Black Dragons always reminded me of Baraka from Mortal Kombat thanks to the bone-blades.
Relictors! Using Chaos to fight Chaos as they themselves mutate due to its influence. Yet despite all of that, they stayed loyal until their complete destruction. I'm aware the main reason they get no love is because they are dead and gone, but I still wish they had more small stories about them or some kind of dedicated short series.
13:24 As if the Wolverine references weren't obvious enough.
Hoping for more videos like this! Maybe one about loyalist chapters with traitor gene-seed?
Please do imperial knights next. I love your channel Wes!
not gonna lie would be interesting to see the chaos ghosts vs the legion of the damned, and see how that would turn out
I am happy that you took care of the bots and not many youtuber does that so I am really really happy that I subscribed to you who tells interesting stories and also cares about his community :)
Dude please make this a series. I spent an evening reading about obscure chapter and it's super interesting.
There's a series of books called "The Runelords" by the author David Farland in which the powers-that-be gain insane levels of power by robbing people of their physical abilities, and adding it to their own. They _have to keep the people they've robbed alive_ however, otherwise they lose the enhancement to their abilities, so war often involves wiping out these populations of people to weaken each other. The Exorcist chapter reminds me of this, but in reverse. Each of those imprisoned failed-space marines is like a tiny army of demons in an easily-deliverable package and I can't imagine anything good coming of the practice.
Is there a Beastman chapter out there somewhere? I love that the beastmen can exist as abhuman citizens inside the Imperium, and can be fanatically loyal even though they're so hated. That they are consistent in their mutation too just seems like the kind of thing that would lead to one existing somewhere, just like the Black Dragons.
Honestly the Black Dragons are my favourite chapters and I love seeing videos about them and the art for them is incredible. The short story about them in the book The Successors is also really good. Bless The Curse.
My favorite obscure space marine chapter are the Tax Evaders from planet Wal'Stret. They have never sent any gene seed to the Mechanicus
I lile the mentors. They go around the imperium assisting the imperivm training special forces, strenghtening garrisons and using them to tip the scales galaxy wide. Reasonable marines without fanon.
The verb form of ‘exorcism’ is to ‘exorcise’, you said it right my dude. It just so happens that in the process, the demon is excised from the host. Similar etymologies
He got us good with the sponsor fakeout.
Feels like the Ad equivalent of getting rickrolled 😂
One really cool chapter that's sadly been ruined as time went on were the Mentors
They were a secretive yet loyal chapter that worked alongside inquisitors and techproests a d they'd test out new weapons and xenotech, and deploy with other chapters to test the weapons in combat
Now they're just high lords pawns and possibly on the edge of corruption
Minotaurs?
02:22 you had us in the first half, not gonna lie.
Please do more of these videos and maybe go into Chaos, Orks, Necrons, Eldar, Tau or Tyranids of factions that get mentioned but aren't spoken much about. Just an idea of what I think would be interesting.
Keep up the good work Wes really enjoy the videos you put out for our enjoyment
As a black dragons player, I’m always happy to hear them talked about.
I would have brought up the Space Wolves Wulfen rather than the Blood Angel's
I hadn't even heard of the Warp Ghosts until this video. Definitely a cool piece of lore!
For a second I thought that was a real ad I was having a fever dream😂😂 Ada
I gotta say, out of all the underrated Space Marines my favorite are a bit more tame. I’ve really liked the Mentor Marines ever since I’ve first heard of them. A chapter that works in small groups to aid other characters or more likely to train a populace do defend themselves against the threats of the galaxy is something I like in media in general but as far as I can tell there’s next to no info on them, and I’d totally want them in my army if I had one
This was awesome! I would like more content like this. The more unknown chapters and warbands!
"im addicted to audio books and plastic crack" - hitting the nail on the head
Black legion novel with the warp time f***ery was great plot twist! Just because of how the warp works, I think the warriors they saw were the men they sacrificed just like Ashokai(sp). The exorcist are definitely the gnarly of this video for sure! The broken ones are definitely grim and dark
Been wanting to make a Kill Team of the Black Dragons. Warp Ghosts sound intersting, but I like Legion of the Damned more
Oh perfect I needed something to listen to, just woke up randomly at 5 am. Weshammer wake n bake 🎉
Day 2 Asking for iron hands lore
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that’s nasty 2:24 that’s so nasty, I figured it was raid but get that bag bb
Yo! I am making my kill teams (and eventually and army) of Red Hunters. I am a writer, and so I wanted to pick a chapter with not much info, and then write my own backstory.
My Lore for them: During and following the Horus Heresy, the imperium had to deal with Marines that seemed to be loyal amongst traitors. Maybe a squad or company from a traitor legion that were able to escape their traitorous brethren. Maybe a company or squad from a loyalist chapter declared for the warmaster, and a small loyal group kills them before turning themselves in. It was to address this issue that the forms and functions of the inquisition began to take shape. Marines that were cleared of being heretics were put together into a chapter known as the Red Hunters. They were tasked with hunting heretics and traitors as recompense for not being able to prevent the fall of their brothers. Due to this chapters intimate knowledge and extensive contact with Chaos, it was decided that they would not receive new Marines. The chapter's numbers dwindled as attrition took its toll. Following the disastrous 21st cursed founding, the inquisition decided to revitalize the chapter so that they could take a crusade to track down and exterminate any cursed chapters that betrayed the imperium. So, during the 22nd founding, the Red Hunters used unknown geneseed to bring their numbers back to that of full chapter strength.
Wow good job pretending, it reminds me of when I was 6 and made my own rules in card games
So Black Dragons have Wolverine claws?
Neat
Horns too
My favourite from these... I really want it to be the Warp Ghosts, but we don't enough about them. I mean, they say their armour and ships are futuristic, but futuristic how? How are they different, how are they more advanced?
So I'm going to have to say the Black Dragons are the favourite on this list, since they help show the potential for beneficial Gene-seed mutations. Imagine if that mutation was included in the original Legions and made wide-spread? All the Space Marines could have retractable bone blades! It would be awesome. And they aren't the only examples.
Wes, your videos keep making me interested in trying to make lesser known chapters on the board, and inspire many potential kitbashes.
I personally think the warp ghosts are the lost 2nd and 11th legions.
Interesting, relay that to your comissar
gotta love that the black dragons essentially have "someone else pee for them" when it comes to geneseed testing.
I've always hoped the Exorcists were actually secretly Word Bearer successors, would be kinda cool honestly
I think my favorite is the Death Spectres. The lore about the throne under their home world is pretty neat. If you want to learn about them read the Deathwatch book from the Talon Squad series.
Ye, Steve Parker rocks!
The most favourite would be the black dragons. They accept their flaws and use them to their advantage.
Death of Antagonis is a pretty good (in my opinion) Black Dragons novel, which deals with their struggle with the inquisition while trying to fight chaos. It also suggests that they are one of groups of astartes that see's the emperor as a god (if i'm remembering correctly). It also deals with some rogue exorcists! I love hearing about new chapters so thank you for the video. A bit off topic but it'd be awesome if you read Assassinorum Kingmaker. it's by the same author as The Infinite and the Divine, and is basically a giant heist movie in 40k. except... replace the heist with a hit. I have seen absolutely nobody cover it and while not as good as infinite and divine i still think it's pretty awesome to learn more about the assassins.
I'll have to check that out! I'm actually reading the ravenor novels right now and if you like heist stories you would love those books! It's part of the inquisitor series so it's the sequel to eisenhorn.
@@weshammer it's on my list. I'm making my way through different things. It's hard for me to read a whole trilogy because i want to read so many different things! Lol
15:00 This is just basic genetic structuralism. The god emperor designed them to have these random "mutations", which are not cancerous chaotic mutations, but stable mutations that occur under specific circumstances according to a specific genetic design. I mean, their name is literally black dragons. It was done on purpose by their creator
Thanks for referencing your source for the Warp Ghosts. Not many TH-camrs give us the info so we can track down these stories ourselves.👍🏻
So Dorn's geneseed does give you some kind of resistence of warp things. Or et least the willpower bonus to battle then. Dosn't the Black Templas has some resist as well?
Black dragons: relatively small successor chapter, seem to manage their heavily mutated brothers with little to no casualties, loyal, seem to not hide the “mutations” = bad.
MEANWHILE
All of the space wolfs!
All of the blood angles except for like 5?
The other successors of ultramarines that eat people!
Inquisition:.............. *Listen here, you little shit*
In your next one you could talk about the Star Phantoms. There’s not a ton of information for them besides the fact that they’re probably a dark angels successor chapter (their chapters symbol is that of the dreadwing) and both groups refuse to acknowledge it.
Please do more of these there are so many weird chapters that need to be recognized.
Ok, I genuinely got a chuckle out of your sponsor disclaimer. Hopefully they don't get mad at you for that and keep giving you money. 😂😂😂
The novel on the black dragons refutes the rumor of altering their gene seed, a group sprung up of the unmutated or semi mutated that revolted. It makes no mention of it and if it was true they would have demanded the practice stop not just shun the mutated.
LOLZ! Wes I loved that hilarious phoney game ad. I was thinking : What the hell lame-ass commercial is this? Where is the pull the lever to win real cash gameplay? Everyone knows that all games have a pull the lever in it
I have 2 ideas for what the Warp Ghosts may be.
Version 1: Since humanity heavily guards the entrence to the Warp, The Warp Ghosts could be a specialized leagon designed for guarding the entrence on the other side of the Eye of Terror.
This could be done by having them be based on a type of assisns that exist in the Imperium. I don't remember theyre name, but to my knowledge they didn't have souls. So maybe a Space Marine version of those ?
Version 2: They are the 2nd or the 11th legion, that got banished into the Warp. Or the 2nd and 11th legion are specialy designed for guarding the Eye of Terror, which is why we don't know about them.
Version 2.5: Just athought but maybe they are 1 of the lost Prymarchs that got split into pices and now exist in the warp.
Wes. My dude. You spoil us with this many videos. God damn it I love you man
Needs more blacks dragons, death of antagonis is amazing
Before watching:
Future space marines: no idea, this should be fun
Black spike: obviously Black Dragons
Monster hunters: assuming you don’t mean Deathwatch (since they’re well known), then Red Hunters, infamous for the Months of Shame (though they’re omitted from the song)
Demon-hosts: Exorcists, obviously (though I vaguely recall that Grey Knights also do this)
Watching WesHammer until an add interrupts the video … an add with WesHammer. Inception level reached.
My favorite legion will always be the legion of the damned coming out of nowhere when the battle seems all but lost encased in glowing orange fire yet jet black and being hit by large amount of enemy fire they take no damage and they disappear once the battle is over just as they came
Every time I hear Warp Ghost, I can't help but feel they have Space Ghost voices. Thanks for the video.
God black dragons need some books an audiobooks (full length) asap
Leave it to my man Wes to bring another fascinating 40k content
One thing you forgot to mention #WesHammer. The Black Dragons actually fight a part of the Exorcists chapter. In the book Death of Antagonis, their enemy is a warband called the Swords Of Epiphany. You find out they are all failed aspirants of the Exorcists, they are all still possessed by daemons.
Too bad Annandale never clarified how could you possibly steal so many failed recruits from them
@@Brandelwyn Supposedly the leader of the warband was a regular human. Think an ex inquisitor, and worked with the Exorcists until he went traitor. He could've had numerous marines possessed but contained in prison for study and then released to follow him
@@edwardhayes6816 cardinal nessun, yeah, I remember that, but failed candidates werent supposed to be imprisoned, they are usually exterminated on the spot by sanctified acid
At 25:50 the image it shows whilst talking about the demon cages(forgot the name) is incorrectly portraying their level of respect for them because one of the chosen fell but could still be useful they would be respected not mistreated their body's never being physically harmed by the other marines except in worst case scenarios
I’ve heard of the Black Dragons before (RIP Vaults of Terra), and they are probably my all-time favorite chapter. Basically take Baraka from Mortal Kombat, make him 2-3 feet taller, and slap some jet-black power armor on him. NEED I SAY MORE?! 🤩
"A sponsor like"--Dont you do it--"Raid Shadow Legends." God damnnit Napp--er WesHammer.
Black dragon apothecary: our gene seed makes our members grow out of control.
Ordo malleus inquisitor: "sounds sleneeshi to me"
Black dragon: "yeah huge bones"
Inquisitor: "you're not making it sound any better"
At one point the exorcist chapter was descended for the Gray knights. As the gray knights them self say as much.
Nice sponsor segment! Genuinely entertaining. Gotta get that paycheck somehow, might as well do it in style right!
I ain't gonna lie Wes your ads are absolute gold
He gets my thumbs up, just for how he handled the add.
I died laughing on the black dragons segment cause I thought wes said bad dragons lol
That's a VERY different chapter
Warp Ghosts: Why do I think about Melchiah from Soul Reaver?
Black Dragons: Awesome Half-Dragon like dudes with retractable bone blades, horns and fangs and taller than ordinary Space Marines.
Red Hunters: Regulary mind whiped demon hunters.
Exorcists: Self exposision to demons in order to be immune against posession and corruption. Interesting idea.
Wonderful insight! Thanks for yet another intriguing video! I'm playing Boltgun right now while listening to these videos in the background. I think I'm becoming a major Warhammer fanboy now :D
Maybe the Space Ghosts are Men of Iron? fractions of souls, futuristic yet clearly human. Or maybe even Men of Stone or Gold.
Cursed founding was one of the best thing for 40K lore. So many interesting, cool and dark chapters 👌
Deep dives on all the featured SpaceMarine 2 game chapers would be sick too! (That you dont already have.)
I must say, the Black Dragons look very much like an hybrid of Salamanders and Blood Angels