Someone had a great video idea: “If the Dursley’s kept Harry from the Wizarding world, would he have become an obscurial?” Thought I’d pass the idea along.
I felt so bad when reading the offer between Lupin and Harry, Harry purposely made Lupin feel absolutely terrible so that he could go to his family and see them for one last time, Harry made sure that Lupin would be with them and not him in his last hours, and I must say Harry was smart to constantly keep it as three people knowing and he made a good choice with Neville.
Another factor here is Dumbledore wasn’t completely sure about the extent to which Voldemort used Horcruxes until Harry retrieved the complete memory from Slughorn.
Dumbledore was sure about horcruxes whe he saw Riddle's diary destroyed. He wasn't sure how many Voldemort had created, until he got full Slughorn's memory, but he was sure that it was more than one.
@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbledore put 2 and 2 together and just guessed about the basic idea as what could have happed. But as @FarhanAhmed pointed out Dumbledore was shocked to hear what voldy did with Horcruxes when slughorn revealed that he shared to voldy about Horcruxes and soul splitting.
I wonder when Dumbledore started to suspect that Voldemort made a horcrux? I think it could have been before the Dark Lord dissapeared or just after because if he had died there would be his body in the Potters' house.
@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbeldore answers this in HPB Dumbledore paused for a moment, marshaling his thoughts, and then said, “Four years ago, I received what I considered certain proof that Voldemort had split his soul.” “Where?” asked Harry. “How?” “You handed it to me, Harry,” said Dumbledore. “The diary, Riddle’s diary, the one giving instructions on how to reopen the Chamber of Secrets.” “I don’t understand, sir,” said Harry. “Well, although I did not see the Riddle who came out of the diary, what you described to me was a phenomenon I had never witnessed. A mere memory starting to act and think for itself? A mere memory, sapping the life out of the girl into whose hands it had fallen? No, something much more sinister had lived inside that book . . . a fragment of soul, I was almost sure of it. The diary had been a Horcrux. But this raised as many questions as it answered. ... “Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldemort returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to his Death Eaters. ‘I, who have gone further than anybody along the path that leads to immortality.’ That was what you told me he said. ‘Further than anybody.’ And I thought I knew what that meant, though the Death Eaters did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes, Horcruxes in the plural, Harry, which I do not believe any other wizard has ever had. Yet it fitted: Lord Voldemort has seemed to grow less human with the passing years, and the transformation he has undergone seemed to me to be only explicable if his soul was mutilated beyond the realms of what we might call ‘usual evil’ . . .” “Yes indeed,” said Dumbledore, and he raised his blackened, burnedlooking hand. “The ring, Harry. Marvolo’s ring. And a terrible curse there was upon it too. Had it not been - forgive me the lack of seemly modesty - for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape’s timely action when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to tell the tale. However, a withered hand does not seem an unreasonable exchange for a seventh of Voldemort’s soul. The ring is no longer a Horcrux.” “But how did you find it?” “Well, as you now know, for many years I have made it my business to discover as much as I can about Voldemort’s past life. I have traveled widely, visiting those places he once knew. I stumbled across the ring hidden in the ruin of the Gaunts’ house. It seems that once Voldemort had succeeded in sealing a piece of his soul inside it, he did not want to wear it anymore. He hid it, protected by many powerful enchantments, in the shack where his ancestors had once lived (Morfin having been carted off to Azkaban, of course), never guessing that I might one day take the trouble to visit the ruin, or that I might be keeping an eye open for traces of magical concealment.
I can't believe you haven't mentioned Legilimency. It is by far the biggest reason to not tell many people, especially considering Voldemort's mastery of it.
I think a big reason is what happened during the first war with voldemore. Dumbledore learned from Peter pettigrew's betrayel. Peter was a member of the order and was trusted with their biggest secret and it resulted in disaster. Im sure Dumbledore thought another betrayal was possible from within the order.
Regarding Lupin. Harry refused his help mainly because he knew that Lupin was going to be a father... he was being noble and didn't want to put him at risk.
There's a good reason why the written word is the greatest invention of humanity. It's not only obsessing about fictional worlds that previously only existed in other peoples heads, but it also allows anyone alive today to read the thoughts of someone who lived 2000 years ago, in a way that makes it seem like they're sitting right beside you, teaching you what they knew
Ah wow! I forgot he told Neville! Neville and Harry has a sort of bond I think. They were always nice to each other and not particularly close but they got closer every year ..especially 5th. And he knew Neville would understand. Also Neville could have been the chosen one as well. This was very Informative thank you! I enjoyed my daily History of Magic lesson:)
I remember going trough the book and begging Harry in my head to accept Lupin's offer to come along... The final book is so dark and tragic. Anything that could be a help in any way seemed like a blessing. Harry Potter is a story that simply becomes more tragic the more you think about it. How Dumbledore was playing a painful game of chess behind the scenes... Knwoing each movie could and probably would get people killed. All to just stop evil... Even as he was dying himself he kept playing. And then you got Snape... A man who probably hated Harry... But still managed to find a way to love him to honor his love. He legit died for Harry to honor Lilly. I do prefer film snape to book snape. But i'd like to think that book Snape is mostly the same Snape only more stubborn as to admit the good in him. And then you got Harry... Wich went along in the dark. Not really knowing what he was doing until the very end. But then just accepts it. Like ''Ok, i have to die''. It's a great story. And i'm so thankful for the great story J.K. Rowling has given us. She made so many of our Childhoods. When the final film came out it really did feel like ''Now, i'm in the next phase of my life''. It was like going from Childhood to adulthood. And for that i'll allways be greatful to her.
Idk why Dumbledore is seen in such a negative light. He was fighting Voldemort, he didn't have to. He could've run and hide but he didn't, he also didn't care if he died for the cause. As for the "manipulation", Dumbledore knew how to kill Voldemort and had to keep it a secret otherwise he would've never been defeated. We aren't just talking about an evil villian, we are talking about an IMMORTAL evil villain. If it wasn't for Dumbledore, Tom Riddle would've ruled the world forever. I agree that it was painful what happened to Harry, and he wasn't given all the facts by Dumbledore BUT they did get the job done. And after Harry finds out the complete truth in the end he realised that this was the only way they could've won and he FORGAVE Dumbledore for keeping him in the dark.
Exactly! The Order was in fact helping, by keeping Voldy distracted. If Voldy knew that his horcruxes were being attacked, he would have made efforts to protect them. But With the Order tracking down Death Eaters, and otherwise trying to hinder Voldy, they were like the army that marched to the gates of Mordor - a distraction from the real attack.
@@PhilBagels In the movies atleast voldy could feel the horocruxes being destroyed. One would assume that he would put 2 and 2 togheter after the first 2 was destroyed and put them into more safe locations. Kinda weard that he didnt realise this.
@@dennisqh4608 And he did. He kept the cup in the Lestrange vault at Gringott's, and toward the end he kept Nagini with him at all times. The diadem was hidden where he was sure no one would find it. There is no indication that he was aware when the diary and ring were destroyed.
Dunno, always made sense to me considering Voldemort was exceptionally good at legilimancy. Most other Order members were in some capacity on the front lines and always at risk of capture or being spied upon while Harry was viewed as someone who was just being protected. If he is off the grid for an extended period of time it makes sense, he is hidden, like the Potters before. However if someone like Lupin, McGonagal or any myriad of Aurors were to disappear like that, it means they are working at something. On another note, Harry always knew that nobody really knew what Dumbledore was up to so it's possible he had a clear understanding that he might not even himself realize the whole reason why so few had to know. I'd imagine Snape also knew about the Horcruxes given he treated Dumbledore and just so happened to deliver the one thing that could destroy them, so it's not like it was just those three that knew.
I'm not sure if Snape had an idea of what Harry was destroying, I think Sanpe just followed Dumbledors order's. If I remember correctly even Snape have asked to Dumbledore what he was doing with Harry during the private lessons
Snape must have also known about the horcruxes. He knew about the ring that cursed Dumbledore's hand, and he new that Harry also had to die. It was OK for Snape to know, since he was a master at occlumency. But he also couldn't directly help hunt horcruxes in order to be a double agent. He did help though, by sending the Sword of Gryffindor (which can destroy them). So I think Snape was the only other person who knew.
@@PhilBagels No, at least in the books it is pretty clear that Snape did not know. As Alexandre Verjans correctly remembered Snape asked Dumbledore what he is up to. He knew that the ring had a powerful curse on it, but not why. Perhaps, as the powerful wizard he was and his knowledge about dark art he might have guessed in the right direction. But again he had no knowledge about slughorns memory and the idea of number of horcruxes.
@@c.h.9223 Agreed. I believe with his knowledge he could have easily guessed, but he would not have been stupid enough to try and get more information given that Voldemort could easily extract information from him if he knew too much.
@@c.h.9223 How did Snape, or anyone else for that matter, think Voldy came back? Didn't Snape know that Voldy specifically wanted to "live forever"? Slughorn certainly knew about the existence of horcruxes, and that he specifically wanted to make some. Snape, being a DADA teacher, would have known about them, too. How else does one come back from an apparent death? There's a library full of magical knowledge right there at Hogwarts. Did no other teacher have any curiosity? Did none of the Order do any research at all into how Voldy was able to come back? Is this yet another example of adults in the HP world being dumber than the kids?
I badly want a movie series of Harry Potter Universe showing: *Tom Riddle's past in detail, The Marauders, Rise of Voldemort, Creation of Voldemort's Horcruxes, Formation of Order of the Phoenix, First Wizarding War, and Voldemort's defeat at Godric's Hollow.* We have seen Second Wizarding War, we will see Global Wizarding War in Fantastic Beasts series, so now, I want to see the First Wizarding War in the movies sometime in future.
@Oof Oooof69 what I’d they actually make good movies I mean they can right? I don’t have much faith in wb tho for tht after wht happened with Wonder Woman but still we can hope
That's a nice theory, I haven't thought of it before... It may be underrated as #KaylaLyons said... But I don't think many muggles have thought intensely off that before.... I would love too see something like this... ❤️
I believe Obscurials have something to do with the host knowing that they have magic, but being forced to repress it. Given that Harry didn't know he was magic, I don't believe he would have become an Obscurus. Also, Obscurus typically arise while the host is quite young, rarely living past the age of 10. Harry was already 11 at the beginning of the story, so the chances of him later becoming an Obscurial is low. I may be wrong on the first point (having to know you're magical), but I believe the second point is pretty straight-forward.
@@TAThor it's a parasite that forms when a witch or wizard doesn't perform spells. Without a wand or the knowledge of magic, Harry could have easily become one. But in Harry's case there's a 0% chance Dumbledore would have let that happen. He would have Guaranteed Harry's enrollment at age 11 if he had to go to the Durselys and retrieve him personally.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry that's not true, I don't get why people pretend to know what they are talking about when a 2 second Google search can prove you wrong.
I think it’s because some of the order may have sussed out that Harry had to die and prevented him from carrying out the task. It is quite clear in the books that Dumbledore knew all along that Harry must die and accepted that “for the greater good”. He thought the best way was for Harry to destroy all the Horcruxes, including himself, with no one else knowing bar Snape, that way no one would get in his way and minimal chance of Voldemort finding out. He kind of did find out though, once they stole the cup from Gringotts he knew they were hunting horcruxes.
No I think its not the right answer. Unless, they are as skillful as Voldemort, Snape, and Dumbledore. But still my point is valid because Harry somehow know how to occlumens after what happened in OOTP
I think Dumbledore chose not to tell the Order about Horcruxes after fake Moody case. Each member could be kidnapped and tortured. If someone revealed that they were looking for Horcruxes, Voldemort would surely have hidden them better.
I think the purpose of the order was to defend the public and the Muggles who can’t defend themselves otherwise. Just knowing of the Horcruxes would’ve been dangerous. Voldemort needed to think his soul fragments were secure, and if more people knew about them, word would have circled back and they would have been harder to find. Not only that but everyone who knew would be at the top of the Death Eaters kill list.
I dont think Dumbledore always knew Harry has to die, he said it himself, he always suspected theres something about the scar thats problematic, but he learned about Horcruxes the same time Harry did, and from that point he knew, before that he might just suspected it, but he didnt recognize the ring, nor diary as a Horcrux, until after seeing the true Slughorns memory.
Snape would have come back as ghost if he died before telling the truth to harry or he would have found a different way altogether, I am sure he was powerful enough for that . Irrespective of snape being an abusive complicated character, dumbledore trusts someone, he does it after considering all alternatives.
@@ushas7255 if he stays as a ghost, he doesn’t go to be near Lilly. Don’t think he’d do that. Should have prepared a vial and hidden it among the memories near the pensieve in Dumbledore’s office. Then have the headmaster paintings tell Minerva to leave so they could tell Harry about it. Something like that. Or leave him a note with a code to read it like the Marauders map. “Snivelly’s trousers” or something from their shared legilimancy lesson that only Harry would know. Note gives directions to the vial.
I don't think Snape ever intended to tell Harry, it was only when he saw Harry near the end he did what he did. I think the plan was for Harry to die at the hands of Voldermort and Snape to finish the job.
I feel like if Harry begged on his knees like Bellatrix to Voldemort then he could’ve change things, the prophecy would not be fulfilled and Harry may become a death eater with what would be his *friend* Draco
I dont think it would draw too much attantion if just 1 or 2 strong adults would help Harry hunting the horcruxes, but it would make it so much easier for him. Imagine Mad-eye and/or Kingsley following him in deathly hallows 1
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@Lemon Yes but we can't forget the Founders Of Hogwarts, Dumbledore, And even Voldemort was intelligent as he created hocruxes, hid them nicely and stuff
@@arshiaahuja3578 really diary was with a death eater, ring was at his grandfather's house, locket was in a cave he showed two muggles magic, he hid them so "well" that three 17 year olds could find most of them
You forgot one detail! Harry is by nature both a horcrux and a horcrux "finder". His connection would tip him off if he was in the vicinity of one of them. No one else had this type of advantage. No spells needed that would allert Voldermort.
I just came across your channel and have been enjoying your videos a lot :) Here's a follow-up question: Why didn't Voldemort kill Slughorn before Slughorn got the chance to spill the horcrux secrets?
Slughorn was his Head of House, and Voldermort respected his skill as a professor. The Death Eaters were searching for Slughorn because Voldemort wanted him back at Hogwarts teaching.
Why does this merit a theory? The books literally tell us exactly why the Order didn't help Harry. Dumbledore feared the Order had already been penetrated and that Harry shouldn't tell anyone what he was doing. Not to mention the fact that until Harry retrieved Slughorn's memory of his conversation with Tom Riddle, Dumbledore didn't know for sure a horcrux was involved, he only suspected it, and obviously if he didn't have strong evidence of what (and more importantly where) they were looking for, they'd only stand to alert Voldemort to the danger if the Order ever did look for anything.
One might ask why DD didn't include the Order in on the knowledge of horcruces. The more people that knew, the greater the chance that VM would know they were being sought out. He would simply hide them in more unattainable places, making the job of locating them even more difficult....such as simply depositing one in the Marianas Trench.
It was very clear that Dumbledore's intention was that Voldemort didn't find out about anyone else knowing about his Horcruxes until the very end. If he had known, he could've moved them, etc.
Well, Jo clearly setup Harry's sacrifice well. Guilt him by making all his closest ones die and suffer of him, making him able to just give his life up in the end. It is Harry's and frankly I feel the most heroic act of the whole saga, alongside Snape's undercover against Voldemort and Hermione's obliviate on her parents.
This is my only reason why I got resentment towards dumbledore. Harry trusted him so much and even after his death he still followed his orders and dumbledore kind of “betrayed” him. I know it was for the greater good but still....
I think as well, that if the older wizards in the order of the phoenix knew about voldemorts horcruxes, one of them might have realised that harry was also a living horcrux, albeit an unintentional one. Especially as they knew about the connection with the wands, and harry picking up voldemorts thouhts. Think this was another reason for dumbledore to keep it quiet, given that harry was not supposed to realise it himself until the end.
Hello Harry Potter Theory. I have written a long comment but please read it all. I just wanted to give some suggestions for a video (I took the video ideas from the whole comment section and wrote them in my comment. I have a few ideas of my own in this list to, though). A. You can make a video on the mistakes in the books, meaning a few mistakes done by JK Rowling while writing the books. I spotted quite a lot while reading the books. I don't remeber all but I will tell one so that you can get an example: In the first book, Hagrid said that Harry's parents were Head Boy and Girl while their time at Hogwarts. But then in the fifth book it is said that James was not a prefect. I know they don't relate but it's weird, right? Not being a simple prefect but suddenly being Head Boy?? B. If the Dursleys would have kept Harry away from the Wizarding world, would Harry have become an Obscurial? C. Was Harry a death eater?/How would the story have changed if he would have been one?/Could Harry have been a death eater under cover? D. Who all did Voldemort kill to create his hocruxes? And great video by the way!! I love your content! Please make the videos suggested.......and it would be totally great if you could also include the example I wrote if you make a video about the mistakes in the books.!
The D suggestion it's great but he have already done this as I recall... But if I may change it a bit if you don't mind?! '' if Harry Potter would had been a deatheater what would had happened in the change of the course?! '' or '' if he had been in undercover as a deatheater'' what do you think?!
One thing I didn't get is why the locket "horcrux" in the half blood prince was so difficult to obtain, it weakened Dumbledore severely. The golden trio would of has no chance obtaining the locket if it didn't get stolen beforehand and the actual locket was still in that cave. Even though getting the other horcruxes were hard, they were never as brutal as that.
Think Tom's bigger mistakes in relation to making a horcrux was he should have used a random coin and just left it somewhere personally I'd have picked a sickle it would be basically impossible to find
By telling Harry to keep it between the three of them, Dumbledore unwittingly cut off Harry's use of Order members for gathering intelligence. For example, while planning to break into the Ministry, the trio could only work from the information that they gathered outside of the Ministry. It would have been better if they could have gotten Arthur, Tonks, and/or Kingsley to them how things were inside of the Ministry these days. They could have had worked out a much better plan, and could have still kept Sirius' House by doing so. Harry would have given the Order members a sense of purpose and rebellion by simply going to work daily and occasionally reporting it. As it was, most of them felt that there was nothing for them to do. That Harry's rescue from his house was their final mission. The Order was leaderless.
I think frankly its a balance between how many to tell and how many not to. I think JKR went too far with only 3 of them any the wiser but you know how word of mouth spreads very fast and Voldemort is a very accomplished Legilimens. In canon, no wizard other than Snape (I think all the tier 1 wizards (Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindewald) are implied to be good) are accomplished in Occlumency. Occlumency is an obscure branch of magic after all.
What if Harry was raised by the Grangers, he grew up in a loving home where Voldy and his Death Munchers couldn't find him, Harry and Hermione start off like siblings but then start falling in love at the beginning of Second Year and get together in the middle of or at the end of Third Year, and Harry was a confident young wizard raised by the Granger parents, in contrast to the meek boy he was in the canon of the books and films?
Only a movie watcher, haven’t read the books but in the movies Harry told Aberforth straight out he was hunting horcruxes. Was this another instance of the movie and the book not being aligned?
Well, there was professor Slughorn who knew it too... and he gave the specific memory of that to Harry, because Dumbledore had asked him for it before. Horace wasnt from the order, but he could have shared the info with others when it was confirmed that Voldemort was back. At least I would, lol. Great video btw.
I'll answer this without watching the video. Because too many people searching for them would be too big a risk of Voldemort realizing. And he would move them all.
We all know Voldemort can read people's minds, so if he caught one of the Order, he could know that they knew about his Horcruxes. The more people, the more likelihood he finds out and increases protection or even worse, manages to make another.
What I am interested in is, if Dumbledore couldn't start to look for Horcruxes sooner. He had the diary since the end of the Chamber of the Secrets and he probably figured out what it was soon after. So that means he had approximately 2 years to look for other Horcuxes, before Voldemort returned. I imagine it would have to be way easier to search for Horcruxes without Voldemort around.
The thing you missed was that Harry, being a horcrux himself, couldn't die unless Voldemort did it himself. Dumbledore had lots of time to think about the prophecy and probably reasoned that Harry would be the only one guaranteed to survive until the very end when it was possible for Voldemort to be killed. Add to that Harry's mental defence of Love and friendship that both repelled and pained Voldemort when he entered Harry's mind during the battle at the ministries, he was the only one safe from Voldemort's Legilimency.
I think Harry wouldn't have let them because he didn't want to lose any more of his friends/supporters. He didn't even want Ron and Hermione to join him because he was afraid for their safety. He cares too much and has lost too many close ones, it would kill him if more people died because of him
I think, in the books, (deathly hallows) it’s at the beginning, how Molly keeps telling Harry, Ron and Hermionie that they can’t skip school and should stay safe blah blah blah but Ron tells the order that it’s something to do with Dumbledore. Everyone shut up after that. So after the wedding when they apparated to the cafe, grimmald place etc, they didn’t follow them because they knew it was something to do with Dumbledore.
At this point I was actually thinking while reading the books that Dumbledore was one of the Death Eaters, made up the horcrux story and lead him to believe that he needs to die
I would think another reason is more people from the Order would figure out that Harry was a horcrux. Hermoine figured it out and tried to stop Harry and if more people knew they would have tried to stop him from going into the forest alone.
Hocruxes can be anything so sense Harry can actually detect which object is a hocrux when he’s in the general area makes things different . But then again the order of Phoenix is quite large and if all of them went searching there wouldn’t be enough on the front lines actually fighting death eaters and doing other tasks . It would also be quite suspicious and Voldemort would probably catch on that they’re all hunting his hocruxes .
Thanks for the vid. I started disliking Dumbledore while reading the books, in how “tidy” and “elegant” his logical plan was to use the “swine [already set] for slaughter”. Harry was just a teen, as was Ron and Hermione. They would have no support in their secrecy. Harry, like a Gryffindor, is so loyal, even to a fault, that he went with it, almost without question. I wished there was more conflict and doubt within him about Dumbledore, as to whether Dumbledore cared for him, or whether Dumbledore treated him as a valuable Chess piece, a knight that advanced through ranks/obstacles, to be sacrificed at the opportune time. Personally I wished so because Harry grew up as an emotionally abused kid, and I always admired his uncanny sense of self-worth despite that. A kid’s sense of self-worth can become so eroded due to abuse that the effects can even linger into adulthood, and they can continue to allow themselves to be used by others. Was Harry doing this? I’m not sure. Then I remembered the choice. Harry’s mother chose to shield him. And Harry chose to shield the others at Hogwarts. It was his choice that made things make more sense to me.
Did you read the books? In my feeling "The Deathly Hallows" is a lot about Harrys conflict! It is in fact somehow late in the book that he decided to trust Dumbledore (while digging the grave for Dobby). I did not see the film (only some clips). Maybe it is not that clear in the film.
I loved the video but i think that the reason harry originally said no to lupin about telling him about their mission was because Dumbledore said that only ron and hermione can know but the final reason why harry couldn't tell lupin and that he was disgusted with Lupin for wanting to help was that Lupin would be abandoning his baby
It's implied that there was also another reason not to involve the Order. When he was a headminister of Hogwarts, Dumbledore removed all the books containing information about horcruxes. He believed them to be the darkest of magic and did not want anyone knowing how to make one. And it worked, as proof that even Tom Riddle had to ask Slughorn. Letting me people in on the task would mean more people later on knowing what it takes to make a horcrux so that knowledge would keep living.
can you do a video about the theory that harry saw reuglus black's body in the cave as an inferi, all the other inferi where describes as being decaying except one that was less aged, this. would be the case as regulus' body had not been dead or in the cave for as long as the other inferi- this was the one part of the books that really stuck with me and i find it super interesting!
Let’s not forgot Snape was always in on Harry’s mission. Says a lot about how much Dumbledore must’ve trusted Snape if he let him on it and not the others.
Snape knew little more than some of the other order members but not fully though, he didn't know everything. Also snape was known for his occulemency skills among the order already.
Dumbledor might not have told Snape, but Snape prob figured it out. Snape had enough pieces to put 2 + 2 together. He was busy doing what he could to protect the Hogwarts students.
After Nagini was dead and ALL of the Horcruxes were destroyed Harry did mention Horcruxes to Voldemort and the Crowd heard it. It seems to me best if the wizarding world did nor know there was such a thing as a Horcrux lest someone try to create one. The existence of Horcruxes should have been made top secret forever by the Ministry of Magic.
Hello, i have watch Harry Potter 4 times, and i am watching it for the 5 time, and today, while watching Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire i realised that: why didn't Dumbledore "took Harry's memory" (like he did to himself on 1.48.32 of the movie Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire) of fighting Voldermort, to prove to the ministry that he really was back, I looked for a video explaining that but didn't find any, and as you are probably the best in Harry Potter theorys, i hope you could make a video about it. I will be waiting for your answer. A Fan :)
Can we get a vid analyzing why the wizarding world has the “greatest wizard” and “brightest witch” titles and what that really means? We hear that a lot, but how does that work?
Potential theory/idea: are the letters persistent to prevent obscurials? Was the persistent for the letter to get to Harry a one-off? Or is it the same for every other magical student? Its possible Dumbledore wanted every magical student at the school to reduce the risk of an obscurial considering his sister and Credence were one.
lupin prolly wanted harry to tell him about the secret and to go with him in order to protect them bc in the past when the potters were hiding they made peter the secret keeper bc lupin wasnt there, so i think he kind of felt guilty in a way and he didn't want the same thing to happen now with harry. Bc if he was the one keeping the potters secter they wouldnt be killed.
Love your videos, but your video pointed out something interesting. You said that the first horcrux was the diary, and at first I thought, wait, that’s not right. Because in the Half Blood Prince, in Slughorns memory of Tom, he already has the Gaunts ring. I thought I was implied that he made the horcrux with the murder of the Riddle family he framed on Morfin. But then I also recall Dumbledore says something relating to the diary (also in HBP) that implies was the first one he made. Something like he became less careful with the diary after he made more, which is why he left it with Lucius and told him the diary would open the chamber of secrets. It makes it confusing because in Slughorns memory, he’s not asking about the horcrux itself, but he wanted to know what would happen if someone made more than one. Which leads me to believe, since he had the ring, he killed the Riddle family first, and after getting the information from Slughorn, killed Myrtle and made the second
That’s was great video Harry Potter theory I didn’t know that he told Neville that kill snake thanks for telling me that I always would why Neville killed it iain spence
I have a question/video idea, We know that Harry's wand was the 4th most powerful wand after Voldemorts(it's maybe equally powerful), Dumbledore's original and the Elder Wand. Harry Potter is the true master of the elder wand but doesn't use it. So there are 2 more powerful wands, Now the question is what happend with Dumbledore's original and Voldemort's original wand after they both adopted the Elder wand. And the next thing is after Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape die does this mean that Harry Potter is the most powerful wizard a live? Because if you think that Harry is second tear wizard only surpast by Dumbedore, Voldemort, Grindelwald and probably Snape(who is recongized as second tear by many Potter head's). Harry is using his own trusted wand so that makes him the most powerful wizard Dumbledore and Voldemort are destroyed) a live or is there someone/ some wand who/that I overlooked?
The excerpts that were included in this video do an excellent job at highlighting HOW MAGNIFICENT Rowling is a writer. My favorite one was the one between Harry and Professor McGonagall (02:27 - 03:17) "...I don't think so, Professor Dumbledore never told me to stop following his orders, if he died". That line for some reason struck me, left me without a breath. So beautifully and brilliantly written, this is why I am a fan!
Can you do a video on what happened to all the prophecies that were broken in the department of mysteries in the order of the Phoenix? Were the prophecies still true even though being broken ?
In my headcanon Dumbledore wanted to prevent a possible new Voldemort to rise by knowing about Horcruxes. Horcruxes are one of the darkest and worst kinds of magic. Both the victim and the caster will suffer in the end.
@Oof Oooof69 first of all dumbledore didn't won against voldemort while wielding the elder wand,and voldemort is not a joke,so l don't think it's that easy to conclude
@Oof Oooof69 you are saying that if dumbledore desired to win(there is no way dumbledore would fight to kill voldemort or anybody,dumbledore would not cast a killing curse on some one because he was against the idea of unforgivable curses.dumbledore would not do it, he clearly knew voldemort is immortal but didn't knew why at that time.what dumbledore did at the ministry was quite clever,he knows what voldemort is capable of and he was clearly prepared to face him,some of us can argue that dumbledore can't pull of the unforgivable curses,but the fact is he doesn't need to,that's why I believe Albus is the greatest wizard of all time) He would have done it,I think dumbledore fought with voldy with multi purpose thoughts,as you say to show the ministry,and why not if get a chance to dis arm voldemort,you should realise that if albus managed to disarm his opponent,there is a good chance the whole,battle would end right away,so why shouldn't he fight,I am pretty sure he did,and we shall not underestimate the power that voldemort holds,in some category we got to admit he is even deeper than our great Albus dumbledore.(it doesn't mean he is greater than dumbledore)
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Someone had a great video idea: “If the Dursley’s kept Harry from the Wizarding world, would he have become an obscurial?”
Thought I’d pass the idea along.
I felt so bad when reading the offer between Lupin and Harry, Harry purposely made Lupin feel absolutely terrible so that he could go to his family and see them for one last time, Harry made sure that Lupin would be with them and not him in his last hours, and I must say Harry was smart to constantly keep it as three people knowing and he made a good choice with Neville.
Another factor here is Dumbledore wasn’t completely sure about the extent to which Voldemort used Horcruxes until Harry retrieved the complete memory from Slughorn.
Also spies in the Order of the Phoenix was not new.
Dumbledore was sure about horcruxes whe he saw Riddle's diary destroyed. He wasn't sure how many Voldemort had created, until he got full Slughorn's memory, but he was sure that it was more than one.
@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbledore put 2 and 2 together and just guessed about the basic idea as what could have happed. But as @FarhanAhmed pointed out Dumbledore was shocked to hear what voldy did with Horcruxes when slughorn revealed that he shared to voldy about Horcruxes and soul splitting.
I wonder when Dumbledore started to suspect that Voldemort made a horcrux? I think it could have been before the Dark Lord dissapeared or just after because if he had died there would be his body in the Potters' house.
@@andrzejzborowski4920 Dumbeldore answers this in HPB
Dumbledore paused for a moment, marshaling his thoughts, and then
said, “Four years ago, I received what I considered certain proof that
Voldemort had split his soul.”
“Where?” asked Harry. “How?”
“You handed it to me, Harry,” said Dumbledore. “The diary, Riddle’s
diary, the one giving instructions on how to reopen the Chamber of
Secrets.”
“I don’t understand, sir,” said Harry.
“Well, although I did not see the Riddle who came out of the diary, what
you described to me was a phenomenon I had never witnessed. A mere
memory starting to act and think for itself? A mere memory, sapping the
life out of the girl into whose hands it had fallen? No, something much
more sinister had lived inside that book . . . a fragment of soul, I was almost
sure of it. The diary had been a Horcrux. But this raised as many questions
as it answered.
...
“Then you told me, two years later, that on the night that Voldemort
returned to his body, he made a most illuminating and alarming statement to
his Death Eaters. ‘I, who have gone further than anybody along the path
that leads to immortality.’ That was what you told me he said. ‘Further than
anybody.’ And I thought I knew what that meant, though the Death Eaters
did not. He was referring to his Horcruxes, Horcruxes in the plural, Harry,
which I do not believe any other wizard has ever had. Yet it fitted: Lord
Voldemort has seemed to grow less human with the passing years, and the
transformation he has undergone seemed to me to be only explicable if his
soul was mutilated beyond the realms of what we might call ‘usual evil’
. . .”
“Yes indeed,” said Dumbledore, and he raised his blackened, burnedlooking
hand. “The ring, Harry. Marvolo’s ring. And a terrible curse there
was upon it too. Had it not been - forgive me the lack of seemly modesty
- for my own prodigious skill, and for Professor Snape’s timely action
when I returned to Hogwarts, desperately injured, I might not have lived to
tell the tale. However, a withered hand does not seem an unreasonable
exchange for a seventh of Voldemort’s soul. The ring is no longer a
Horcrux.”
“But how did you find it?”
“Well, as you now know, for many years I have made it my business to
discover as much as I can about Voldemort’s past life. I have traveled
widely, visiting those places he once knew. I stumbled across the ring
hidden in the ruin of the Gaunts’ house. It seems that once Voldemort had
succeeded in sealing a piece of his soul inside it, he did not want to wear it
anymore. He hid it, protected by many powerful enchantments, in the shack
where his ancestors had once lived (Morfin having been carted off to
Azkaban, of course), never guessing that I might one day take the trouble to
visit the ruin, or that I might be keeping an eye open for traces of magical
concealment.
I can't believe you haven't mentioned Legilimency. It is by far the biggest reason to not tell many people, especially considering Voldemort's mastery of it.
Neville beheading that snake was a wonderful moment for me. He not only eliminates the last horcrux, but frees Nagini as well.
Its sad that one day he will run out of Theory's…..
Mabey they will be more books or movies by then.
I doubt he will, the potential is unlimited.
2025: Was Harry a Death Eater? Harry Potter Theory
@@lewis2524 XD
That's just a theory
I think a big reason is what happened during the first war with voldemore. Dumbledore learned from Peter pettigrew's betrayel. Peter was a member of the order and was trusted with their biggest secret and it resulted in disaster. Im sure Dumbledore thought another betrayal was possible from within the order.
Regarding Lupin. Harry refused his help mainly because he knew that Lupin was going to be a father... he was being noble and didn't want to put him at risk.
Let's be fair, he also got incredibly pissed at the thought of Lupin abandoning his child.
I am still amazed how writers come up with their own worlds written in words with people obssessing about them for decades.
There's a good reason why the written word is the greatest invention of humanity. It's not only obsessing about fictional worlds that previously only existed in other peoples heads, but it also allows anyone alive today to read the thoughts of someone who lived 2000 years ago, in a way that makes it seem like they're sitting right beside you, teaching you what they knew
I think Dumbledore didn't want a repeat of another Peter Pettigrew situation.
Ah wow! I forgot he told Neville! Neville and Harry has a sort of bond I think. They were always nice to each other and not particularly close but they got closer every year ..especially 5th. And he knew Neville would understand. Also Neville could have been the chosen one as well. This was very Informative thank you! I enjoyed my daily History of Magic lesson:)
I remember going trough the book and begging Harry in my head to accept Lupin's offer to come along... The final book is so dark and tragic. Anything that could be a help in any way seemed like a blessing. Harry Potter is a story that simply becomes more tragic the more you think about it. How Dumbledore was playing a painful game of chess behind the scenes... Knwoing each movie could and probably would get people killed. All to just stop evil... Even as he was dying himself he kept playing. And then you got Snape... A man who probably hated Harry... But still managed to find a way to love him to honor his love. He legit died for Harry to honor Lilly. I do prefer film snape to book snape. But i'd like to think that book Snape is mostly the same Snape only more stubborn as to admit the good in him. And then you got Harry... Wich went along in the dark. Not really knowing what he was doing until the very end. But then just accepts it. Like ''Ok, i have to die''. It's a great story. And i'm so thankful for the great story J.K. Rowling has given us. She made so many of our Childhoods. When the final film came out it really did feel like ''Now, i'm in the next phase of my life''. It was like going from Childhood to adulthood. And for that i'll allways be greatful to her.
The harry potter series is amazing and these are stories that will be told for many generations down the line
Idk why Dumbledore is seen in such a negative light. He was fighting Voldemort, he didn't have to. He could've run and hide but he didn't, he also didn't care if he died for the cause. As for the "manipulation", Dumbledore knew how to kill Voldemort and had to keep it a secret otherwise he would've never been defeated. We aren't just talking about an evil villian, we are talking about an IMMORTAL evil villain. If it wasn't for Dumbledore, Tom Riddle would've ruled the world forever.
I agree that it was painful what happened to Harry, and he wasn't given all the facts by Dumbledore BUT they did get the job done. And after Harry finds out the complete truth in the end he realised that this was the only way they could've won and he FORGAVE Dumbledore for keeping him in the dark.
she’s washed up lmao
@@Sssneksss I'm too lazy to read my own comment from a century ago. But being clean is important. Stay clean ma dude.
Kind of like sending the hobbits off to destroy The One Ring I guess. Sending wizards and the most powerful elves would have drawn too much attention.
Exactly! The Order was in fact helping, by keeping Voldy distracted. If Voldy knew that his horcruxes were being attacked, he would have made efforts to protect them. But With the Order tracking down Death Eaters, and otherwise trying to hinder Voldy, they were like the army that marched to the gates of Mordor - a distraction from the real attack.
@@PhilBagels
In the movies atleast voldy could feel the horocruxes being destroyed.
One would assume that he would put 2 and 2 togheter after the first 2 was destroyed and put them into more safe locations.
Kinda weard that he didnt realise this.
@@dennisqh4608 yeah.. especially diary... voldy should know that diary in albus hands
@@hendrasutrisno4191 to be fair when the second film came out the horcruxes isn't invented yet by the author.
@@dennisqh4608 And he did. He kept the cup in the Lestrange vault at Gringott's, and toward the end he kept Nagini with him at all times. The diadem was hidden where he was sure no one would find it. There is no indication that he was aware when the diary and ring were destroyed.
Dumbledore didn't want more wormtails'
This is gold!
Woahhh well said
True !!! This is the case !
well said (2)
I've always figured that too many people knowing would lead to Voldemort knowing sooner that the horcruxes were being hunted. Loose lips and all that.
Didn’t want another Pettigrew probably
Same
Dunno, always made sense to me considering Voldemort was exceptionally good at legilimancy. Most other Order members were in some capacity on the front lines and always at risk of capture or being spied upon while Harry was viewed as someone who was just being protected. If he is off the grid for an extended period of time it makes sense, he is hidden, like the Potters before. However if someone like Lupin, McGonagal or any myriad of Aurors were to disappear like that, it means they are working at something.
On another note, Harry always knew that nobody really knew what Dumbledore was up to so it's possible he had a clear understanding that he might not even himself realize the whole reason why so few had to know. I'd imagine Snape also knew about the Horcruxes given he treated Dumbledore and just so happened to deliver the one thing that could destroy them, so it's not like it was just those three that knew.
I'm not sure if Snape had an idea of what Harry was destroying, I think Sanpe just followed Dumbledors order's.
If I remember correctly even Snape have asked to Dumbledore what he was doing with Harry during the private lessons
Snape must have also known about the horcruxes. He knew about the ring that cursed Dumbledore's hand, and he new that Harry also had to die. It was OK for Snape to know, since he was a master at occlumency. But he also couldn't directly help hunt horcruxes in order to be a double agent. He did help though, by sending the Sword of Gryffindor (which can destroy them). So I think Snape was the only other person who knew.
@@PhilBagels No, at least in the books it is pretty clear that Snape did not know. As Alexandre Verjans correctly remembered Snape asked Dumbledore what he is up to. He knew that the ring had a powerful curse on it, but not why. Perhaps, as the powerful wizard he was and his knowledge about dark art he might have guessed in the right direction. But again he had no knowledge about slughorns memory and the idea of number of horcruxes.
@@c.h.9223 Agreed. I believe with his knowledge he could have easily guessed, but he would not have been stupid enough to try and get more information given that Voldemort could easily extract information from him if he knew too much.
@@c.h.9223 How did Snape, or anyone else for that matter, think Voldy came back? Didn't Snape know that Voldy specifically wanted to "live forever"? Slughorn certainly knew about the existence of horcruxes, and that he specifically wanted to make some. Snape, being a DADA teacher, would have known about them, too. How else does one come back from an apparent death? There's a library full of magical knowledge right there at Hogwarts. Did no other teacher have any curiosity? Did none of the Order do any research at all into how Voldy was able to come back? Is this yet another example of adults in the HP world being dumber than the kids?
I badly want a movie series of Harry Potter Universe showing: *Tom Riddle's past in detail, The Marauders, Rise of Voldemort, Creation of Voldemort's Horcruxes, Formation of Order of the Phoenix, First Wizarding War, and Voldemort's defeat at Godric's Hollow.*
We have seen Second Wizarding War, we will see Global Wizarding War in Fantastic Beasts series, so now, I want to see the First Wizarding War in the movies sometime in future.
I even have a more unrealistic dream: That these movies are based on new books by J.K. Rowling. Fantastic Beasts would have needed that.
I really want to see the first wizard in gear maybe a book of it in detail or a movie
@Oof Oooof69 what I’d they actually make good movies I mean they can right? I don’t have much faith in wb tho for tht after wht happened with Wonder Woman but still we can hope
That will probably be in later fantastic beast movies
Ah yes, my anti-depressant
I don't understand
Facts!
same for me. watching HP makes me less depressed somehow
@@ZetaCancri same
HAHAHAHAHAHHAHA
I got a video idea for you: What if the Dursley's succeded to keep Harry from the Wizarding-World. Would he had become a obscurial?
Underrated Video idea. I hope HP Theory sees this. @Harry Potter Theory
That's a nice theory, I haven't thought of it before... It may be underrated as #KaylaLyons said... But I don't think many muggles have thought intensely off that before.... I would love too see something like this... ❤️
I believe Obscurials have something to do with the host knowing that they have magic, but being forced to repress it. Given that Harry didn't know he was magic, I don't believe he would have become an Obscurus. Also, Obscurus typically arise while the host is quite young, rarely living past the age of 10. Harry was already 11 at the beginning of the story, so the chances of him later becoming an Obscurial is low.
I may be wrong on the first point (having to know you're magical), but I believe the second point is pretty straight-forward.
@@TAThor it's a parasite that forms when a witch or wizard doesn't perform spells. Without a wand or the knowledge of magic, Harry could have easily become one. But in Harry's case there's a 0% chance Dumbledore would have let that happen. He would have Guaranteed Harry's enrollment at age 11 if he had to go to the Durselys and retrieve him personally.
@@ashwinsmagicandcardistry that's not true, I don't get why people pretend to know what they are talking about when a 2 second Google search can prove you wrong.
I think it’s because some of the order may have sussed out that Harry had to die and prevented him from carrying out the task. It is quite clear in the books that Dumbledore knew all along that Harry must die and accepted that “for the greater good”. He thought the best way was for Harry to destroy all the Horcruxes, including himself, with no one else knowing bar Snape, that way no one would get in his way and minimal chance of Voldemort finding out. He kind of did find out though, once they stole the cup from Gringotts he knew they were hunting horcruxes.
I asked this question too earlier but to be honest, LEGILIMENCY is the answer, I think!
Yess precisly!!!!! Its simply about the more people know the bad it is if te thing is to b lot secret
@Ultimate Information no stop begging for views
Occlumency?
No I think its not the right answer. Unless, they are as skillful as Voldemort, Snape, and Dumbledore. But still my point is valid because Harry somehow know how to occlumens after what happened in OOTP
Because JK Rowling told them not to hunt horcruxes😂
I think Dumbledore chose not to tell the Order about Horcruxes after fake Moody case. Each member could be kidnapped and tortured. If someone revealed that they were looking for Horcruxes, Voldemort would surely have hidden them better.
I think the purpose of the order was to defend the public and the Muggles who can’t defend themselves otherwise. Just knowing of the Horcruxes would’ve been dangerous. Voldemort needed to think his soul fragments were secure, and if more people knew about them, word would have circled back and they would have been harder to find. Not only that but everyone who knew would be at the top of the Death Eaters kill list.
This is the first of your videos I've watched. Quite good! Thank you.
I dont think Dumbledore always knew Harry has to die, he said it himself, he always suspected theres something about the scar thats problematic, but he learned about Horcruxes the same time Harry did, and from that point he knew, before that he might just suspected it, but he didnt recognize the ring, nor diary as a Horcrux, until after seeing the true Slughorns memory.
Theory: Why did Snape not have a plan to give the secret to Harry??
Was very fortunate Harry got there in time for the tears.
Snape would have come back as ghost if he died before telling the truth to harry or he would have found a different way altogether, I am sure he was powerful enough for that . Irrespective of snape being an abusive complicated character, dumbledore trusts someone, he does it after considering all alternatives.
@@ushas7255 if he stays as a ghost, he doesn’t go to be near Lilly. Don’t think he’d do that.
Should have prepared a vial and hidden it among the memories near the pensieve in Dumbledore’s office. Then have the headmaster paintings tell Minerva to leave so they could tell Harry about it. Something like that.
Or leave him a note with a code to read it like the Marauders map. “Snivelly’s trousers” or something from their shared legilimancy lesson that only Harry would know. Note gives directions to the vial.
I don't think Snape ever intended to tell Harry, it was only when he saw Harry near the end he did what he did. I think the plan was for Harry to die at the hands of Voldermort and Snape to finish the job.
@@jpg7616 lol, snivelly trousers 😅🤣
@@hmoham That was never the plan. Dumbledore believed that Harry wouldn't die even after Voldemort tried to kill him, and he hoped for him to live.
This topic felt like it had a lot more weight than most videos. And it was very well explained. Thank you.
And plus the order was stretched to thin after battles before the search officially started
U know what,ur good at this
Keep it up!👍🏿
Dumbledore didn´t told anyone to remove any chance of Voldemort changing their location to completely random places.
Theory: What if Harry was raised by the Malfoys, became the new Dark Lord and didn’t change, what would he have done?
Not really a theory, but good question
Killed the mudbloods, terrorised the muggles
But what if Harry went with the pure blood ways, In the first book You Know Who offers for Harry to join him
@@royal3594 that was probably a trap. I think he wanted to trick him into reviving him and then kill harry.
I feel like if Harry begged on his knees like Bellatrix to Voldemort then he could’ve change things, the prophecy would not be fulfilled and Harry may become a death eater with what would be his *friend* Draco
Hey Harry Potter Theory, can you please make a video on the cursed vaults, you are the only one who could explain this at a high level
This makes perfect sense to be honest I love how you put a lot of life into your videos
I dont think it would draw too much attantion if just 1 or 2 strong adults would help Harry hunting the horcruxes, but it would make it so much easier for him. Imagine Mad-eye and/or Kingsley following him in deathly hallows 1
No it couldn’t be Kingsley. He was still an Auror and was the leader of the Order of the Phoenix when Dumbledore died. Maybe mad-eye had he not died
Hey harry potter theory , can you please make a video on the most intelligent harry potter characters I know it's a hard topic but in all of TH-cam only you can make such videos I have see all of your ranking videos and I felt that they all are very accurate so I am requesting you to make a video on that I commented on the last video too please reply
probably Nikolas flammel because he created the philosophers stone
@@LemonsRage Dumbledore is definitely up there as well, a lot of characters would be difficult to judge though, like the four founders of Hogwarts
@Lemon Yes but we can't forget the Founders Of Hogwarts, Dumbledore, And even Voldemort was intelligent as he created hocruxes, hid them nicely and stuff
@@arshiaahuja3578 really diary was with a death eater, ring was at his grandfather's house, locket was in a cave he showed two muggles magic, he hid them so "well" that three 17 year olds could find most of them
@Potter fan0011 Yes But to locate them the three "17 year olds" had to do quite a lot of hard work
Another great video, and let me say you have a very calming voice
You forgot one detail! Harry is by nature both a horcrux and a horcrux "finder". His connection would tip him off if he was in the vicinity of one of them. No one else had this type of advantage. No spells needed that would allert Voldermort.
I just came across your channel and have been enjoying your videos a lot :)
Here's a follow-up question: Why didn't Voldemort kill Slughorn before Slughorn got the chance to spill the horcrux secrets?
Slughorn was his Head of House, and Voldermort respected his skill as a professor. The Death Eaters were searching for Slughorn because Voldemort wanted him back at Hogwarts teaching.
Why does this merit a theory? The books literally tell us exactly why the Order didn't help Harry. Dumbledore feared the Order had already been penetrated and that Harry shouldn't tell anyone what he was doing. Not to mention the fact that until Harry retrieved Slughorn's memory of his conversation with Tom Riddle, Dumbledore didn't know for sure a horcrux was involved, he only suspected it, and obviously if he didn't have strong evidence of what (and more importantly where) they were looking for, they'd only stand to alert Voldemort to the danger if the Order ever did look for anything.
One might ask why DD didn't include the Order in on the knowledge of horcruces. The more people that knew, the greater the chance that VM would know they were being sought out. He would simply hide them in more unattainable places, making the job of locating them even more difficult....such as simply depositing one in the Marianas Trench.
It was very clear that Dumbledore's intention was that Voldemort didn't find out about anyone else knowing about his Horcruxes until the very end. If he had known, he could've moved them, etc.
Well, Jo clearly setup Harry's sacrifice well. Guilt him by making all his closest ones die and suffer of him, making him able to just give his life up in the end. It is Harry's and frankly I feel the most heroic act of the whole saga, alongside Snape's undercover against Voldemort and Hermione's obliviate on her parents.
Fabulous explanation!
Great video!
This is my only reason why I got resentment towards dumbledore. Harry trusted him so much and even after his death he still followed his orders and dumbledore kind of “betrayed” him. I know it was for the greater good but still....
I think as well, that if the older wizards in the order of the phoenix knew about voldemorts horcruxes, one of them might have realised that harry was also a living horcrux, albeit an unintentional one. Especially as they knew about the connection with the wands, and harry picking up voldemorts thouhts. Think this was another reason for dumbledore to keep it quiet, given that harry was not supposed to realise it himself until the end.
Hello Harry Potter Theory. I have written a long comment but please read it all. I just wanted to give some suggestions for a video (I took the video ideas from the whole comment section and wrote them in my comment. I have a few ideas of my own in this list to, though).
A. You can make a video on the mistakes in the books, meaning a few mistakes done by JK Rowling while writing the books. I spotted quite a lot while reading the books. I don't remeber all but I will tell one so that you can get an example: In the first book, Hagrid said that Harry's parents were Head Boy and Girl while their time at Hogwarts. But then in the fifth book it is said that James was not a prefect. I know they don't relate but it's weird, right? Not being a simple prefect but suddenly being Head Boy??
B. If the Dursleys would have kept Harry away from the Wizarding world, would Harry have become an Obscurial?
C. Was Harry a death eater?/How would the story have changed if he would have been one?/Could Harry have been a death eater under cover?
D. Who all did Voldemort kill to create his hocruxes?
And great video by the way!! I love your content! Please make the videos suggested.......and it would be totally great if you could also include the example I wrote if you make a video about the mistakes in the books.!
The D suggestion it's great but he have already done this as I recall... But if I may change it a bit if you don't mind?! '' if Harry Potter would had been a deatheater what would had happened in the change of the course?! '' or '' if he had been in undercover as a deatheater'' what do you think?!
@Marina Isiris Yeah super interesting
I will just edit my comment and change
@Marina Isiris Did the change!
One thing I didn't get is why the locket "horcrux" in the half blood prince was so difficult to obtain, it weakened Dumbledore severely. The golden trio would of has no chance obtaining the locket if it didn't get stolen beforehand and the actual locket was still in that cave. Even though getting the other horcruxes were hard, they were never as brutal as that.
I always learn more from comment section. Thanks everyone, you explain it better.
i love this channel!!!
Ive been wondering this forever.
I ask people and they say
"IT'S JUST A MOVIE"
and more so about series
Hell yeah love new videos
Great video
Think Tom's bigger mistakes in relation to making a horcrux was he should have used a random coin and just left it somewhere personally I'd have picked a sickle it would be basically impossible to find
Oh yes! finally this one's come
How long I waited for this one!!
By telling Harry to keep it between the three of them, Dumbledore unwittingly cut off Harry's use of Order members for gathering intelligence. For example, while planning to break into the Ministry, the trio could only work from the information that they gathered outside of the Ministry. It would have been better if they could have gotten Arthur, Tonks, and/or Kingsley to them how things were inside of the Ministry these days. They could have had worked out a much better plan, and could have still kept Sirius' House by doing so. Harry would have given the Order members a sense of purpose and rebellion by simply going to work daily and occasionally reporting it. As it was, most of them felt that there was nothing for them to do. That Harry's rescue from his house was their final mission. The Order was leaderless.
I think frankly its a balance between how many to tell and how many not to. I think JKR went too far with only 3 of them any the wiser but you know how word of mouth spreads very fast and Voldemort is a very accomplished Legilimens. In canon, no wizard other than Snape (I think all the tier 1 wizards (Dumbledore, Voldemort, Grindewald) are implied to be good) are accomplished in Occlumency. Occlumency is an obscure branch of magic after all.
Thank you for confirming my theory too
What if Harry was raised by the Grangers, he grew up in a loving home where Voldy and his Death Munchers couldn't find him, Harry and Hermione start off like siblings but then start falling in love at the beginning of Second Year and get together in the middle of or at the end of Third Year, and Harry was a confident young wizard raised by the Granger parents, in contrast to the meek boy he was in the canon of the books and films?
This is super awesome
He wasn't meek in the books he was full of sass
@@335chr 😂 btw I make videos based on Harry Potter
@@335chr All right fine, without the sass then.
@Oof Oooof69 Just let me have this man. I also said, *"like siblings."* Their feelings could change for all we know.
Oh how much I love your voice❤
Only a movie watcher, haven’t read the books but in the movies Harry told Aberforth straight out he was hunting horcruxes. Was this another instance of the movie and the book not being aligned?
Yes , not in the book
Well, there was professor Slughorn who knew it too... and he gave the specific memory of that to Harry, because Dumbledore had asked him for it before. Horace wasnt from the order, but he could have shared the info with others when it was confirmed that Voldemort was back. At least I would, lol. Great video btw.
I think Slughorn wanted to keep that information quiet as it meant he was the person who was responsible for Voldemort being nearly immortal.
I really miss Neville's parents they were helpless:(
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I'll answer this without watching the video. Because too many people searching for them would be too big a risk of Voldemort realizing. And he would move them all.
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We all know Voldemort can read people's minds, so if he caught one of the Order, he could know that they knew about his Horcruxes. The more people, the more likelihood he finds out and increases protection or even worse, manages to make another.
What I am interested in is, if Dumbledore couldn't start to look for Horcruxes sooner. He had the diary since the end of the Chamber of the Secrets and he probably figured out what it was soon after. So that means he had approximately 2 years to look for other Horcuxes, before Voldemort returned. I imagine it would have to be way easier to search for Horcruxes without Voldemort around.
The thing you missed was that Harry, being a horcrux himself, couldn't die unless Voldemort did it himself. Dumbledore had lots of time to think about the prophecy and probably reasoned that Harry would be the only one guaranteed to survive until the very end when it was possible for Voldemort to be killed. Add to that Harry's mental defence of Love and friendship that both repelled and pained Voldemort when he entered Harry's mind during the battle at the ministries, he was the only one safe from Voldemort's Legilimency.
I think Harry wouldn't have let them because he didn't want to lose any more of his friends/supporters. He didn't even want Ron and Hermione to join him because he was afraid for their safety. He cares too much and has lost too many close ones, it would kill him if more people died because of him
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I think, in the books, (deathly hallows) it’s at the beginning, how Molly keeps telling Harry, Ron and Hermionie that they can’t skip school and should stay safe blah blah blah but Ron tells the order that it’s something to do with Dumbledore. Everyone shut up after that.
So after the wedding when they apparated to the cafe, grimmald place etc, they didn’t follow them because they knew it was something to do with Dumbledore.
How haven’t you run out of video ideas? Thumbs up from me 👍🏻
2:49 "...Dumbledore had told him that he was to confide the contents of their lessons to nobody but HARRY (aka Ron) and Hermoine"
" So when the time comes the boy must die??? Yes and Lord Voldemort himself must do it."🏰⚡🦉🧙♂️🌕
At this point I was actually thinking while reading the books that Dumbledore was one of the Death Eaters, made up the horcrux story and lead him to believe that he needs to die
I would think another reason is more people from the Order would figure out that Harry was a horcrux. Hermoine figured it out and tried to stop Harry and if more people knew they would have tried to stop him from going into the forest alone.
Hocruxes can be anything so sense Harry can actually detect which object is a hocrux when he’s in the general area makes things different . But then again the order of Phoenix is quite large and if all of them went searching there wouldn’t be enough on the front lines actually fighting death eaters and doing other tasks . It would also be quite suspicious and Voldemort would probably catch on that they’re all hunting his hocruxes .
Thanks for the vid. I started disliking Dumbledore while reading the books, in how “tidy” and “elegant” his logical plan was to use the “swine [already set] for slaughter”. Harry was just a teen, as was Ron and Hermione. They would have no support in their secrecy.
Harry, like a Gryffindor, is so loyal, even to a fault, that he went with it, almost without question. I wished there was more conflict and doubt within him about Dumbledore, as to whether Dumbledore cared for him, or whether Dumbledore treated him as a valuable Chess piece, a knight that advanced through ranks/obstacles, to be sacrificed at the opportune time. Personally I wished so because Harry grew up as an emotionally abused kid, and I always admired his uncanny sense of self-worth despite that. A kid’s sense of self-worth can become so eroded due to abuse that the effects can even linger into adulthood, and they can continue to allow themselves to be used by others. Was Harry doing this? I’m not sure.
Then I remembered the choice. Harry’s mother chose to shield him. And Harry chose to shield the others at Hogwarts. It was his choice that made things make more sense to me.
Did you read the books? In my feeling "The Deathly Hallows" is a lot about Harrys conflict! It is in fact somehow late in the book that he decided to trust Dumbledore (while digging the grave for Dobby). I did not see the film (only some clips). Maybe it is not that clear in the film.
I loved the video but i think that the reason harry originally said no to lupin about telling him about their mission was because Dumbledore said that only ron and hermione can know but the final reason why harry couldn't tell lupin and that he was disgusted with Lupin for wanting to help was that Lupin would be abandoning his baby
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It's implied that there was also another reason not to involve the Order. When he was a headminister of Hogwarts, Dumbledore removed all the books containing information about horcruxes. He believed them to be the darkest of magic and did not want anyone knowing how to make one. And it worked, as proof that even Tom Riddle had to ask Slughorn. Letting me people in on the task would mean more people later on knowing what it takes to make a horcrux so that knowledge would keep living.
What is with Rowling and the trinity
what is the trinity?
@@leto-nl meaning the importance of three it’s throughout all of the books.
@Oof Oooof69 I agree but we cannot deny that three is also an important number in the world of Harry Potter
can you do a video about the theory that harry saw reuglus black's body in the cave as an inferi, all the other inferi where describes as being decaying except one that was less aged, this. would be the case as regulus' body had not been dead or in the cave for as long as the other inferi- this was the one part of the books that really stuck with me and i find it super interesting!
Let’s not forgot Snape was always in on Harry’s mission. Says a lot about how much Dumbledore must’ve trusted Snape if he let him on it and not the others.
No Snape didnt know about Harrys mission, he just sometimes help them on Dumbledores orders!
Snape knew little more than some of the other order members but not fully though, he didn't know everything. Also snape was known for his occulemency skills among the order already.
Dumbledor might not have told Snape, but Snape prob figured it out. Snape had enough pieces to put 2 + 2 together. He was busy doing what he could to protect the Hogwarts students.
After Nagini was dead and ALL of the Horcruxes were destroyed Harry did mention Horcruxes to Voldemort and the Crowd heard it.
It seems to me best if the wizarding world did nor know there was such a thing as a Horcrux lest someone try to create one. The existence of Horcruxes should have been made top secret forever by the Ministry of Magic.
Hello, i have watch Harry Potter 4 times, and i am watching it for the 5 time, and today, while watching Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire i realised that: why didn't Dumbledore "took Harry's memory" (like he did to himself on 1.48.32 of the movie Harry Potter and the Gobitt of Fire) of fighting Voldermort, to prove to the ministry that he really was back, I looked for a video explaining that but didn't find any, and as you are probably the best in Harry Potter theorys, i hope you could make a video about it.
I will be waiting for your answer.
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The video was released like 17 seconds ago, did you just copy paste it?
To much logic for the wizarding world
I have already got an answer but i would like to know what you think about it..
@@diamondassassin1292 maybe.. but yes, i said the same last video, but he didnt saw it.. ahhaha
@@alexandrelopes3466 maybe memories can be modified? So they aren't proof
Can we get a vid analyzing why the wizarding world has the “greatest wizard” and “brightest witch” titles and what that really means? We hear that a lot, but how does that work?
i love ur videos
i always wondered why dumbledore didnt use the fedalious charm to stop the spread of the knowledge of the plan
whats the name of the song?
Would you get copyright claimed if you played like 5 notes of the Harry Potter theme in your intro?
Good Video
Potential theory/idea: are the letters persistent to prevent obscurials? Was the persistent for the letter to get to Harry a one-off? Or is it the same for every other magical student? Its possible Dumbledore wanted every magical student at the school to reduce the risk of an obscurial considering his sister and Credence were one.
lupin prolly wanted harry to tell him about the secret and to go with him in order to protect them bc in the past when the potters were hiding they made peter the secret keeper bc lupin wasnt there, so i think he kind of felt guilty in a way and he didn't want the same thing to happen now with harry. Bc if he was the one keeping the potters secter they wouldnt be killed.
Love your videos, but your video pointed out something interesting. You said that the first horcrux was the diary, and at first I thought, wait, that’s not right. Because in the Half Blood Prince, in Slughorns memory of Tom, he already has the Gaunts ring. I thought I was implied that he made the horcrux with the murder of the Riddle family he framed on Morfin. But then I also recall Dumbledore says something relating to the diary (also in HBP) that implies was the first one he made. Something like he became less careful with the diary after he made more, which is why he left it with Lucius and told him the diary would open the chamber of secrets. It makes it confusing because in Slughorns memory, he’s not asking about the horcrux itself, but he wanted to know what would happen if someone made more than one. Which leads me to believe, since he had the ring, he killed the Riddle family first, and after getting the information from Slughorn, killed Myrtle and made the second
That’s was great video Harry Potter theory I didn’t know that he told Neville that kill snake thanks for telling me that I always would why Neville killed it iain spence
its in the book harry told him to kill the snake but not about horcroxes only that the snake had to die
I have a question/video idea,
We know that Harry's wand was the 4th most powerful wand after Voldemorts(it's maybe equally powerful), Dumbledore's original and the Elder Wand. Harry Potter is the true master of the elder wand but doesn't use it. So there are 2 more powerful wands, Now the question is what happend with Dumbledore's original and Voldemort's original wand after they both adopted the Elder wand.
And the next thing is after Dumbledore, Voldemort and Snape die does this mean that Harry Potter is the most powerful wizard a live? Because if you think that Harry is second tear wizard only surpast by Dumbedore, Voldemort, Grindelwald and probably Snape(who is recongized as second tear by many Potter head's).
Harry is using his own trusted wand so that makes him the most powerful wizard Dumbledore and Voldemort are destroyed) a live or is there someone/ some wand who/that I overlooked?
@Oof Oooof69 wich wizards would you describe to be more powerful (in dueling) a live?
@Oof Oooof69 I am talking about this moment after Harry worked about 20 years as an auror.
The excerpts that were included in this video do an excellent job at highlighting HOW MAGNIFICENT Rowling is a writer. My favorite one was the one between Harry and Professor McGonagall (02:27 - 03:17) "...I don't think so, Professor Dumbledore never told me to stop following his orders, if he died". That line for some reason struck me, left me without a breath. So beautifully and brilliantly written, this is why I am a fan!
Can you do a video on what happened to all the prophecies that were broken in the department of mysteries in the order of the Phoenix? Were the prophecies still true even though being broken ?
In my headcanon Dumbledore wanted to prevent a possible new Voldemort to rise by knowing about Horcruxes. Horcruxes are one of the darkest and worst kinds of magic. Both the victim and the caster will suffer in the end.
Great video! But What if voldemort wield the elder wand while fighting with dumbledore?what would happen?
@Oof Oooof69 first of all dumbledore didn't won against voldemort while wielding the elder wand,and voldemort is not a joke,so l don't think it's that easy to conclude
@Oof Oooof69 you are saying that if dumbledore desired to win(there is no way dumbledore would fight to kill voldemort or anybody,dumbledore would not cast a killing curse on some one because he was against the idea of unforgivable curses.dumbledore would not do it, he clearly knew voldemort is immortal but didn't knew why at that time.what dumbledore did at the ministry was quite clever,he knows what voldemort is capable of and he was clearly prepared to face him,some of us can argue that dumbledore can't pull of the unforgivable curses,but the fact is he doesn't need to,that's why I believe Albus is the greatest wizard of all time)
He would have done it,I think dumbledore fought with voldy with multi purpose thoughts,as you say to show the ministry,and why not if get a chance to dis arm voldemort,you should realise that if albus managed to disarm his opponent,there is a good chance the whole,battle would end right away,so why shouldn't he fight,I am pretty sure he did,and we shall not underestimate the power that voldemort holds,in some category we got to admit he is even deeper than our great Albus dumbledore.(it doesn't mean he is greater than dumbledore)