The E-Charger Hybrid System
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- We caught up with Johnathan Goodwin of from E-Charger at The SEMA Show for a run down on how their 'electronic supercharger' operates.
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The E-Charger is a revolutionary new bolt-on technology that increases power without sacrificing fuel economy or emissions. The E-Charger applies stored energy via the electric motor to assist the internal combustion or compression ignition engine when extra power is needed.
The dual fuel approach allows vehicles to take advantage of the great power delivered at the equivalent of 75 cents per gallon. This 300% cost savings yields not only a product that increases performance but actually pays itself back based on the cost savings of your primary engine fuel type. The E-Charger also utilizes regenerative braking to maximize fuel consumption with up to a 25% increase in fuel economy.
Untold hours of refinement and testing, as well as many miles driven, has proven that the E-Charger system is the only green performance technology that truly can be bolted onto any application. The E-Charger is the ultimate stop gap solution to increase performance, increase MPG, and reduce emissions.
This is like a way beefed up system that I was thinking about as an addition to a turbocharged car! My idea was to add a small motor that is capable of helping the engine in low RPM range only as a filler for a turbo lag with a capability to run continuosly for just a few seconds to flatten torque curve.
500hp with 35mpg? Sounds good to me!
Hell yea lol
Sounds like a loaf of bullshit, big clue is that they included stop/start which has been proven to be a marketing and emissions scam popularized by big auto manufacturers. The added weight of the battery's and writing and the motor huge cogged pulley you have to bolt onto the crankshaft, not to mention how it's gonna beat the shit outta your main bearings.
Paul Wilson that's what I'm thinking I love my old chevy truck if I can get that kind of gas mileage and a boost in acceleration it would be a win win situation, and the extra weight isn't much more than a toolbox
Puffalupagus360 there are tradeoffs with a turbo also please do a little research that conspiracy stuff thrives on ignorance
cartmanrlsusall yea a turbo you get 50-120% increases in Port levels with a 20% parasitic loss for a final power increase of 30-100% . Where as this might add 20% but adds more than 2x the weight that it adds in power plus parasitic losses and beats the absolute shit out of your main bearings.
Very interesting, I saw this a couple of weeks ago and to be honest I find it amazing that this deal was there last year in a Hummer and no one noticed or cared!! Now it's in the '57 Poncho everyone takes notice!!! Well, that's SEMA for ya. A lot of potential in this system, you asked some very well thought out questions here, Luke. A really well done interview. Great job
That's not me on video lol - Luke :)
Ha Ha, I always thought that was you , dude!!! You let someone else take the sweet gig going to SEMA- come on, that's the cream! You should have gone yourself!!! ;)
Also seen it on another channel, it was a hummer.. and fuel savings go hand in hand, but a nice cruiser like this.
I did go, I was standing behind the camera :) If you haven't worked it out yet I have a twin brother...
+Fullboost Ah, ok now I understand!!! My head was in a spin, I didn't know what was going on there. LOL! That's really funny, thanks for explaining. Anyway, I was very impressed with the quality of interview. Really professional and to the point, but relaxed and comfortable. You guys know what questions matter, enjoyed it. And you gave it the attention it deserved. Although I read about it previously, it was only a short written article that didn't get into the dirty nitty gritty the way you both did. So thanks, for bringing us the cool shit from SEMA this year. If I could give it 2 likes I would have!
I would like to see real life economy tests and a dyno pull.
There is zero economy since you add several hundred kilos in the car and lead more rotating mass all the time with your engine.
+ you have to buy all this stuff so the economy is completly bullshit.
If you want economy,reduce the mass,reduce the displacement ,increase the efficiency.
he even says. it adds 250lbs. not any more than a big girl would
ryan cobb mmmm a big girl
Lol
Weight is my point. Say the car makes 400hp and weighs 4000lbs. If you add 250lbs of weight to the car, you will need to gain 25hp to cancel out the added weight to remain at a 10lb:1hp ratio. To gain any realistic performance, you would want 50hp for that 250lbs, maybe even more depending on the cost of the system.
I was just thinking about a system like this the other day. But I would love to see this replace both the alternator and the starter first. That would allow for a nice weight reduction (vs this system as is, obviously not over stock). At that point, I would be all over a kit like this.
I think it's only a matter of time. If there's enough interest in the industry there's no limit to what they'll do.
Agreed. I'm hoping this becomes relatively affordable within the next few years.
Here is a vid where he says exactly what you've mentioned, no starter required.
th-cam.com/video/cixd-UlCry8/w-d-xo.html
Ungregistered User Believe me, I'm well aware of what those components are and do. I have a fair amount of experience working with cars and even a bit of a background in engineering. If you would like to verify that you can check out my channel. But this is not a conventional vehicle. Many electric motors can be used to generate power which would render an alternator unnecessary. If this system can be used for regenerative braking, it can likely charge a battery in much the same way an alternator can. Furthermore, this is a big ole electric motor strapped to a small block. A starter motor is just a little electric motor strapped to a small block. There's no need for two of them. Most conventional (by which I mean non plug-in) hybrids don't have a starter, but rather use the electric motor already there to do the same job. Check out the link Fullboost posted just above, he actually says you don't need either of these things with the e charger.
Fullboost That's very interesting, but it appears this vehicle still has an alternator. I wonder why that is.
I'd love to see the front main bearings after a couple thousand miles.
Would it be any different to having a supercharger? Still got that belt pulling on it.
You don't think the pistons working at 4-5 k would have any different effect
@@michaelherold181 maybe, but these engines weren't designed with such a large load on the front pulley in mind
I wonder if a torque converter replacement that can do the same is at all practical
wonderful inovation. I was very impressed. Yes its bulky and alittle big, but its a first step in looking out side of the box. I think this idea will lead to bigger and better ideas. GOOD JOB
This is the shit that I love! I grew up during the brushless/lipo revolution of the R/C car industry and am seeing it move to the 1:1 market!
That's awesome! Wish people would do more swaps with older cars that used to get 8 miles per gallon, with engines that would allow it to reach "affordable" standards like 20 mpg
Honestly electric cars may never take over for the entire country, but performance hybrids are definitely going to start emerging
I thought it was an electronic supercharger. I am very disappointed.
JoshTheLewi it's better it's instant 150 ft lbs of torque
JoshTheLewi so was I but there is a legit company making them I can't remember who they are but they ran a 48v system for the supercharger, Borg Warner is making a electric turbo to assist a regular turbo it's called the ebooster.
Yea you need that 150 ft/lbs to move the extra weight of the system. epic fail unless all your going for is mpgs
tim ray no its not that heavy with lipo cells
Bob Newhart no it wasn't procharger I found it the company is Aeristech they make fully electric superchargers
this should be built into the transmission
Jerry Bear or at the driveshaft, I agree.
as long as it's built into the input of the transmission, because if it is on the output or the driveshaft it would be useless. You wouldn't get the torque multiplication.
Jerry Bear replace the torque converter with an electric/hydraulic motor. Easily adaptable to any conventional transmission platform.
basically what a prius does? engine -> electric motor -> gearbox ?
Maximus Psychosis not quite, the Prius has two electric motors and is a series/parallel system. I'm thinking along the lines of what GM did with their hybrid truck and Honda with their first Hybrid Accord with the V6 ... a parallel system. Basically the electric motor is between the engine/transmission and assists on takeoff where the torque from the electric motor would be greatly beneficial.
I'm actually surprised it hasn't been done sooner. True hot rodders like extra power and efficiency any way the can get it.
Battery powered superchargers as well. Turn on and off like a nitrous shot from a smaller battery, or run constantly with regen brakes and a big battery pack.
I was trying to get funding to make this for semi-trucks 3 years ago. Couldn't get the money, but I knew somebody else would. I also thought about the "green racing performance" application and building a bolt on kit just like this. I'm happy to see it looks exactly like how i'd imagined it. This really opens up a new chapter in racing and performance. It's a complete paradigm shift; increase power and MPG, who wouldn't want that?
Instead of calling a true bolt on hybrid , it should just be called a hybrid assist.
Why?
Is it not just a big starter motor?
Actually old news. This has been around in the UK for awhile. Big rigs or lorries as they call them have had electric assist for years. Helps pull heavy loads uphill while reducing fuel consumption.
+TH3TIMP5 looks like an industrial 3 phase 480 electric motor. Don't know the specs but have that style in a plant I work in.
CorndogBrownie yup I think that is a marketing gimmick.we are familiar with hybrid so they call it that
I love this idea. Drawbacks are the belt is spinning the electric motor while it's not in use.
Where other electric motors that power the wheels can be used for braking for it's regen.
This one can only be used for acceleration.
he says it has regen.
The concept is very interesting. Instant torque at the low end. Bring it to Australia and I'll buy one
I'm all for burning dinosaurs but this is a REALLY cool idea.
Joke's on you, oil is 99.9% algae.
Not really a joke. Whatever I have to burn less of to make more power seems like a good deal to me. It looks like a really simple bolt-on kit that I would be willing to throw on my pickup truck.
Mopar Magic ive though of doing something similar with a crx using hubs on the rear(non driven) wheels, but it would cost waaay too much money for little power gain, mpg never crossed my mind once, it wouldnt really be something you use for efficiency. for power though you could use a big*** alternater with li ion batterie(s) and use it like nitrous. this would only really work in small applications... like nitrous, for daily drivers of course. big shots a nitrous are really only good for the "occasional" aka only when you pass a mclaren car or the type of people who blow there strip only car every 200 miles
Mopar Magic gas is king
I love this idea. Keep all these awesome cars on the road, increase hp increase mpg. You can have a hybrid made out of any car you want instead of having to buy some crap-plastic spaceship looking new rig.
This is what rotary engines need.
Senso Rieskin no....nonononononono
Actually, it would be a good idea. Rotaries are infamous for being lacking in torque. Electric motors have full torque at the hit of the accelerator, so attaching one of these to a rotary would be like giving it higher levels of torque at low RPM with the additional high-RPM powerband. Seriously, I can't see this being anything other than a big help to performance for a rotary engine.
and it could go nicely inline with the crank.
Andrew Peterson You all a bunch of Wankels.
Rotorys just need better Apex seals
this is the first (ev hybrid vehicle) video where the guy is talking like he knows what he's saying, that really made me smile
DYNO SHEETS OR IT DIDN'T HAPPEN... talk is cheap and numbers don't lie folks
Numbers lie when its the imperial system....
Ppl always wanna bring up Dyno sheets
More like 11mpg
Must wash out unburned fuel
Jr alexander sounds good did you fully rebuild your top end and also do you use P.T.F.E eg..slick 50 to line up the sleeves coz that’s pretty impressive
This is actually pretty brilliant. So simple. Why didn't I think of that.
I basically discovered this because I thought of it as a concept but then though wait that’s way to simple and long story short it is already a thing
I think a lot of people are missing the point... this isn't an electric super charger or a "power adder". it is a universal system that reduces load on the engine. the effect is more of the engines power being used to turn the wheels, not being waster on drag. its a proof of concept and I think its going in the right direction. How about the guy that has a work truck (LS V8...) and doesn't want to keep making the fuel payments (cash and environmentally), he can add this system to greatly reduce carbon foot print. Its not for everyone that wants to go faster, but for anyone that appreciates the efficiency.
It would also be great for that same guy in a work truck starting off with a heavy load. The electric motor will lighten the load on the motor while improving torque. It would help improve the highway merge too.
custommotor light bulb.... I’m going to put my ac-51 (because that’s what this is) on my new Chevy truck that I pull a trailer with. LOVE IT I have a fully functioning mini-truck that I converted that has all the parts I need. I have an LH6 that only has 30,000 miles on it.....
Im sure the car company love it when a guy builds something like this especially when the manufacturers are trying to convince the public that they build the most technologically advanced and efficient cars. I hope this guy isnt found dead because of his cool ideas.
"I don't like to give up something to gain something"... Well, strapping a giant electric motor to your car, along with all of the batteries needed to run it, is going to add some significant weight to the car, that's giving up something to gain something.
He was talking about energy, but if you strap on any kind of kit, it will add weight.
You're gonna have to give up a lot of money to buy and install this stuff . I don't think you're going to get your money back with the gas savings.
But you gain traction . lol . Like is enough weight already on that car . To get some extra benefit on traction thanks to weight .
that sounds pretty cool as long as it doesnt cost the world. Like something you can bolt onto your cars crank with minimal modification and get some battery boost and take the strain off the motor.
to me it sounds like you have the ability to have extra torque due to the electric motor plus fuel savings however the price tag for the setup plus a mod plate i think i would rather run slightly more fuel or run a better cam in my ls1
EVL78UC BURNOUT Videos this is the only sound argument against this system. Fabrication and a new motor/controller and batteries will run you $10k. If you didn’t start with an LH and transmission ($10) and went with a beefy motor/controller and more batteries ($15) you would have some range issues but who drives classic cars far anyway.
They may have a slightly better market for a larger truck. I think a lot of truck owners who use them for work (small business) would probably SERIOUSLY consider it if it can save / make them money over the long haul in gas savings. Especially if it helps their towing capabilities.
THAT would add quite some fun to a Miata!
Everyone loves this LS motor, I want one in my Golf. Put a full cam, multi-spark, blower, some other stuff, road runner horn, total sleeper.
Cool aftermarket electrical solution
That's a great system and something I think will be popping up more often from car companies
oh cool, a giant alternator.
That's really all it is , a motor to force your psitins up and down without fuel going in , sounds dangerous to me
This is the literal stupidest “power adder” I’ve seen
@@mechanicmatt9466 there is no issue there. as long as there is oil pressure, it doesnt matter if there is fuel
@@Demonslayer20111 there will always be oil pressure because the pump runs off the snout of the crank .
Lol it can't be an alternator if it starts the car lmao learn your shit it's an electric motor
Nice, i thought about doing this years ago and it's nice to see it in practice. It does take up a lot of room! When i thought about it was before L-ion batteries, so too much weight with lead acid. ...Economy+Performance!
is there anything that hasn't been tested on a 5.3 vortec lol
LS Bro!
codemanz191 was a 6.0 lol even better.
zechariah smith then 6.0s chug !!!!! im cool with a 5.3.. its fast enough to drift etc
They have yet to determine whether or not it can run off of peanut oil and broken dreams.
codemanz191 6.0 vortec
That's pretty cool, I would get something like this and it will be interesting to see how far these sort of systems get developed.
I like the idea of a bolt on system like this, however I would like to see some more real life testing of it before I am sold on it. I have just seen too many "kits" that claim to give you power and better fuel economy, but in reality did nothing.
The difference is this kit is based on proven technology. Of course that means it will probably be VERY pricey...
+DC Garage I believe they are aiming to sell the kit for under $US 5000.
Fullboost Wow that's actually not bad! I would strongly consider it at that price.
DC Garage I get that these are in their early stages of being in the market etc. But $5000 is too expensive IMO.....however I would still like to see what these kits actually do on a dyno as well as RL MPG test and before and after on a drag strip
IMMORTEN VALKYRIEN dude 5 grand is a steal. I really want a kit now
I really like this concept.
I have a pickup truck that I do a lot of towing with. With this add-on system, I could put the batteries under the bed out of the way and have more power when I want it.
Nice
so it doesn't force air into the engine, it helps turn the crank via cog belt? how often do you need belt replacements?
That's correct.
Every hundred thousand miles or so.
toysareforboys I find that hard to believe...
Have you ever noticed how many brands of motorcycle have gone to belt final drive lately? Nuff said.
Dorian Demeturlias not a single performance oriented bike has gone to a belt drive... only mid life crisis I need my wife's permission type bikes...
Very nice build! I love what he did with the holes left in the body from the aluminum stainless trim.
Although I am late to the table and this question might have been asked previously, I would be curious about the reliability of a cog pulley system handling 100 HP or more electric motor, especially considering the torque applied to the pulley. At "full throttle" would you not be worried about stripping the belt since you would have literally instantaneous force on the pulley at full torque while the gas engine is just beginning to "spool" up to RPM?
It's no different than a supercharger that needs 100ish hp to drive, the force is just in the opposite direction if that makes sense
Geordie and Luke,
You guys have come along way from the good old days of ET Pulsar and Cordia.
Well done fellas.
Thanks dude ;-)
'Jonathan Goodwin of from E-Charger' in the description. Little mistake.
jezwah Dont forget about those twin spark Gazelles😂
IKR, I just subbed
just a helper motor. big golf cart motor with a pulley and belt
I would love to drive that 150hp golf cart :D
50KW motor. Horsepower = KiloWatts x 1.73 = 86.5HP
Nathan Scantling oh I see - mixed it up, but it would still be an impressive motor for a golf car!
yes i know how much hp it is lol
is it x1.73? :o when i use the google calculator it gives me 67hp
I understand how this works, it actually seems legitimate because they're describing it as a supercharger but I believe they just chose that name to emphasize the fact that it makes more power. In reality, it's kinda like what the CR-Z had when Honda was making it.
Yeah kinda. The CR-Z engine is integrated into the flywheel but same principle yeah.
this guy needs to learn the difference between a motor and engine.
What is the difference ?....cuss I have a outboard motor in my boat.... should I worry about getting electrocuted ?
I believe you have an outboard engine on your boat. An inboard engine would be in.
Mike, I am breaking your balls... there is no difference between a motor and a engine any more then a car or an automobile. there, their , they are just judged by context.
This has been done on several production vehicles, although usually with a much smaller and less beefy electric motor. Google BAS (Battery alternator starter) hybrid AKA mild hybrid. Sometimes called e-assist. Some manufacturers use this as a cheap, simple way to hybridize a vehicle and remove the alternator/starter, but costs are why the motor is never this big. Also it’s typically done as part of the serpentine belt.
I love how he mentioned supercharged but not turbos I have a 65 Oldsmobile with a ls3 and didn't really lose any mpg's and its just wasted energy from the motor that powers turbos. I get that you get a little extra from this but im willing to bet I could buy my car 3 times over for the price of that thing and it looks clunky and odd under the hood
But with turbos or any forced induction you MUST add more fuel to compensate for the added air being pulled into the intake. Will have a MPG loss, but if tuned well it might not be a big hit.
I'd be willing to bet you that you cannot double your fuel mileage with a turbo or supercharger kit. You can with this. However, you must also realize that this is for limited ranges - like most people drive every day back and forth to work - that is less than 80 miles. You will also have to spend a lot of time adjusting your fueling or modifying your engine to be sure that you don't burn valves or pistons. This electric motor doesn't require that. You bolt it on, wire it up and go.
A turbocharger requires low compression, which buggers your low-throttle fuel efficiency, and when on boost, you get awful fuel efficiency from the volumetric efficiency. This is to say nothing of the lost exhaust scavenging and decreased exhaust flow due to the compressor wheel being in the way.
Contrary to what turbo manufacturers tell you, there's no such thing as a free lunch.
But is $4500 worth a temporary fuel mileage increase? You would need to allocate that car for daily drive use it for years. I'm sure the system works. I don't doubt the validity. I'm no PhD but the engineering behind it makes perfect sense. But is upgrade worth the fat pile of cash necessary?
I was at 16 mpg before and after the turbo so idk im only running 12 lbs of boost at full throttle but it feels like a ton. Im just saying if I had fuel loss is was very small
I would really prefer one that bolts to the pressure plate of the clutch and can work as all electric with engine charging mode, electric take off, hill decent charging, electric motor starting, engine only mode ect
car is very interesting, but I am a Porsche guy and would loved to have seen the 911s parked behind it !
this system is basically what my malibu eco is. I think my eco only gets a extra 15 horses if I did my research right. Anyway my eco does exactly what they were talking about. it shuts down at stop lights and uses the electric motor to take off with and when braking it regenerates the battery. I don't have to plug it in at home of course because it keeps itself charged but it really does work! 200 bucks for over 3000 miles round trip on my vacation you just can't beat that!
I dunno man. I can do the same trip for $300.
Eventually, after the price of the car, we break even. You save gas but pay more for the car. I pay less for the car but pay more for gas. My trunk is bigger and I don't have to worry about batteries.
Is there a video of this car's performance?
This is very cool post installation hybrid which will only get better.
If this tech is really that good, then shouldn't it be provided as standard equipment on all cars in the near future?
Nick Amarit I totally agree n it's all hinged on battery technology catching up. if it weren't for that only crutch, well weight also, than this would be perfect!!!
These hybrid motors are already on GM cars, though I think they use a much smaller motor & battery pack. Malibu has it. With this one, I'd be worried about snapping the crankshaft if the harmonic balancer can't do its job.
vidznstuff1 But the electric motors in the Malibu don't drive a Supercharger.
this isn't a super charger
marcus kornegay Wait, it's not? I saw that Vortec name and all I could think of was supercharger. So is it just a 3rd party plug-in hybrid bolt-on system just like in every other plug-in hybrid car then?
Really good for maintaining the reliability of an old car, was reading an article the other day which was referencing New york hybrid taxis, after years of crazy mileage and taxi driver abuse the petrol engine was in immaculate condition as the electric motor did all the work in stop go traffic which is where most of the stress in an engine comes from, you could have a system like this with minimal batteries which just kicks in below 10mph if you wanted to maintain a pure driving experience of a classic car while far reducing the stress on the engine so it will last many more miles :)
Yep, even in the service manual of most cars that offer PHEV (Like VW Passat) the repair intervals of moving parts are way bigger on the PHEV models.
I just want an F1 style K.E.R.S. button. Turbo BOOST!
What we need to apply this to are turbochargers, then we can eliminate turbo lag :)
Edit: seems like Audi or Volvo did something similar but using an entire other electric compressor in addition to a turbo
So how does this work in electric-only mode? Does it somehow warm up the oil, or does it just pump cold oil through the engine while it's turning? Because that doesn't sound very good.
No it doesn't drive the wheels it aids the motor, so it uses less fuel.
So driving with only the electric motor and not using fuel isn't possible?
correct, they work together.
There is no electric only mode. The start/stop electric mode turns off the engine at stop lights then when you press the accelerator it starts accelerating on the electric motor which starts the engine as well. It would be horribly inefficient to drive it in electric only mode because you'd be cranking the engine over constantly while you're driving.
Finally someone understands. You'd be fighting against a ton of engine compression. It would be a massive waste of energy in electric only mode.
Great build, its the beginning of the Hybrid age. I can't see myself purchasing a full electric car until there are more avaliable charging systems. I currently have a Hybrid with a dual clutch transmisson and it hauls ass for a 4300lb SUV
after he said it doesn't make boost...next video lol
I met a guy on the east coast(US) in 2009 or so with a Honda Civic that had a very similar system in his car. He said he made it himself. But instead of batteries he had super capacitors. The thing was fast/quick af...
that's cool as funk
Very nice. I like to see people venturing into the 3-phase realm. 250lbs for the whole system is not bad either, I'm sure the Prius parts weight more with only a 120hp 1.8L engine.
Wtf is with the big ass Alternator!?
lol what?
pop eye lmao same thing i was thinking, like these dudes just did all of this to create a performance alternator 😂😂
An alternator that assists the engine power?
This is the way hybrids should be built. Where the power from the electric motor can also be multiplied in the transmission. Only issue is the front bearing wear.
starter motor beefed up and geared
Not at all this thing is much much larger and likely bushless.
Haven't you got any grammar to police?
This is also a three phase a.c. motor.
This seems really cool but I have concerns as to the ability of the crank and it's associated bearings in the front to handle that kind or torque coming from that location.
I'd love to know how much the whole system weighs. No point in adding all that gear if the power added cannot overcome that additional weight.
Bestwick1983 you would have to add a whole lot of weight to make 150 horsepower a waste
They told on the video that it was under 250 pounds.
Jd Rogers II this is an ac-51 ac induction 3phase motor. It produces 148 foot pounds and 51kw of power which is 68.4 hp
Electromotive was doing this years ago in the late 90’s. Witnessed it myself on an s10 while doing a photo shoot with a car my friend owned that was sponsored by them. He was like come check this new shit I’m working on out. Was really cool. Several months later, when we were there picking up stuff for an upcoming race, we notice the s10 and all the stuff for that project was gone. All he would say is that a manufacturer, and wouldn’t say which on, bought the rights to it and took it all.
interesting and well executed concept, but almost certainly be a very expensive, low production, niche market product, in other words, people with 600hp V8's will just use that money elsewhere on the car
wrong.
I like it a LOT. I own an 09 Tahoe Hybrid that has what I think a better integration of electric motors by putting them into the transmission.
What I don't like is the 4:43 sales pitch. If you have an automatic transmission then you could be doing damage to the transmission. There are no torque sensors on the LS_ series. The shift points and more importantly, the clutch pressure is controlled very carefully by predicting the engine torque. If you don't reprogram ("flash") the module you would be entering more torque into the transmission without the increased pressure to handle that extra torque. This differential would be the worst during off idle and light throttle trying to utilize more electric than gas. The integration of electric motors PRE transmission makes for more headache. I think the best integration would be to split into 2 motors, one on the engine for assistance and auto-stop and another on the tail-shaft of the transmission. The motor on the engine would also be direct drive onto the snout of the crank.
Still, I love the idea and think that care is fantastic! Let me know if you need any help with the tuning.
Put it on a dyno bra!
Such a simple but brilliant idea. This would be a great set up for a street car. Like very good
RWB Porsche behind it
Good idea. We need things like this system. Big Blocks with more fuel efficiency, that what i need
This Fullboost presenter has no personality, always the same drab monotone voice in every video. Cheer up bro, you have an awesome job 😂
Can this system be adapted on to something like a 93 Civic with a 1.5 liter engine for super economy mode?
You mean the Civic Hybrid?
Couldn't we just improve the conventional electric starter motors all engines currently already have to improve power & fuel efficiency in a similar way to how this system operates? It seems to me that this idea has been staring us all in the face for years, especially the big car manufacturers.
Mark Leadbeater manufacturers are doing it already .
I mean. This system is pretty crude delivering it's power via a belt to the crank.
That is true . The gas motor being an air pump . It just assists. Having said that when the battery goes low or dead , you'll get even worse mileage turning the electric motor with the gas motor . I believe the battery range was really low . Like 60 miles but gotta start somewhere :)
I believe that is what Christian Koenigsegg has developed for his new car. Ties straight into the flywheel/torque converter I believe.
search TH-cam for /Inside Koenigsegg
Phenomenal! I wanted something like this but for trucks. but attached to the drive shaft or something on the output or input on the transfer case.
Regenerative braking? Kinda like the KERS system?
Or like any hybrid on the market....
Luisk no like a hybrid. The KERS system harnesses the abilities of economy hybrid vehicles & gears it towards increasing performance. The technology has been used & around since the first gen Prius but for the past 5-7 years or so, many performance manufacturers have begun to see the advantages of hybrid technology. Which is why we now have the KERS system, & why many super/hyper cars uses hybrid technology. It’s awesome I’m enjoying the times we live in right now for cars!
Luisk this isnt grand theft auto bud
KERS has been around long before GTA was a thought. Nice try though.
He was explaining it, not claiming the tech as his own, just that it had the function
This looks very similar to the old GM hybrid setup from around 2009, except this car still has its starter and alternator attached. The old GM hybrids used a belted alternator/starter. One unit.
So is it boost?
No, as stated in the video, it gives assisted drive to the engine.
Fullboost oh okay, makes sense.
Ryan Austin no , it's a " High Bert ". FYI , kids will be going down the streets in the dead of night , unplugging " HIGH BERT " cars.
If it's 'bolt on' how is it 'assisting' the engine? Does it drive the belt it's attached too spinning the main crank pully instead of the crank pully spinning it? That's the only way I can see this 'bolt' on engine assist system working.
+adamwilson301 yes, that's how it works.
I have a good one, "why should I give up my hood"?
ruined with background music
Alex Romo What the HELL is the matter with your brain??? The background music is beautiful!!!
This background music made me kill myself.
drongo jonkins And I'll bet background music which actually kills most people {such as Screaming Heavy Metal} would make you come alive.
drongo jonkins Only if that's what you choose to believe. The decision is ultimately yours to decide.
Amazing there has to be some long term extreme hot and cold weather testing.
music is annoying as hell
I’m guessing this system will damage standard and upgraded crank shaft and front mains due to huge hub loads from that torque on the belt as well as the tensioner on that 4” wide belt. Guaranteed this lowers the life of the crank shaft and transmission gears significantly. Just me speculating but I’m guessing the additional loads and vibrations added by this e charger will cause strange failures in the engine block and bearing assemblies.
I see way more cons then pro's with this set up
Franky's SpeedShop Agreed. Do away with the LS motor all together. Its ancient technology. Put a big fat tesla motor in there!
Kyle Haley tesla uses an electric motor on each wheel...
J it's not about boost. The electric motor assists by giving direct power to the crankshaft. Somewhere around 40% of the energy produced by and engine simply goes into keeping the engine spinning through its cycles. If you add a beefy torquey electric motor to the set up its going to assist the motor much more than if you turbo or supercharged if.
Uses a motor on each axle, not wheel.
Mr S Technically two in the rear and one in the front on current models. And the first Tesla Roadster had one, fat, electric motor.
Is a nice start for bolt on hybrid systems.
how or why asking about boost coming from an electric motor is beyond me lol
It's "boost" because it's boosting the engine's power level by augmenting it with said electric motor.
The thing is that the electric motors have huge torque right from the start till the end.
They describe it themselves as an "electronic supercharger" which is a really stupid click-bait description, and only leads to further confusion about what the thing actually DOES.
I've seen setups that use that motor behind the transmission to help take the load off of the engine at the back wheels.
Mmm, my favorite part of the internet, where almost everyone is a cynical jerk, nice job, guys :D
if it wasn't for this epic music i don't think i'd believe much of what was being sold here.
can you say crankwalk with the electric motor pulling on the crank pulley.
JABBER AEGIS imagine the complete and total shit storm that occurs when the timing chain slips a tooth or breaks. The pistons will be force fed valves and bits of springs.
Why would the timing chain slip a tooth?
Tyler Hunt stock crankshafts are not designed to have 200 lb ft of torque applied to the snout. The shaft is going to deflect a lot , throwing the chain out of alignment. This will cause premature tooth wear and crazy ass side loads. The front crank bearings will suffer , causing greater clearance , increasing crank deflection. All these factors will greatly decrease service life and any $$$ you might have saved will be spent on rebuilds - repairs. If you use a aftermarket crank , you just spent over a $1000 plus machine work. Unless you're using $200 junkyard motors or only drive it 2000 miles a year , the risk/reward is too off balanced for me to invest.
BustedWalletGarage
None of that answers my question. You're not going to have enough deflection in the crank to jump a tooth on the timing chain without catastrophic bearing failure first.
BustedWalletGarage
Also, do you see a lot of jumped timing chains in supercharged vehicles?
great Job! but where can i get the AC motor and the controller, Thank you!
Great idea but the extra weight of needing to carry heavy batteries will counteract the benefit. I know I for one do not want to carry 250 pounds (114 kilos) in extra weight around. As battery technology develops and they get a lot smaller/lighter this idea might become a viable option. Electric motor assisting the conventional motor. Can still run a turbo/supercharger as well.
Yeah battery technology still seems like it's in its infancy but as he mentioned it adds a bit of traction having the weight in the rear so that's somewhat of an advantage if you ask me.
Modern battery technology is so far behind, probably for a reason
ThomasRocksU actually modern battery technology is far ahead of what this guy is capable if getting his hands on.. The worlds automakers have things in development that this car isn't even coming close to...
I agree, quiet a smart system with the controller having the ability to regenerative engine brake.
As mentioned, the benefits and the uptake on such are a system are limited by the availability of higher capacity lite weigh compact batteries.
Stephen H combined the entire system added is at min 400 lbs. The motor alone is ~70 lbs
So a KERS supercharger. That's pretty cool.
all that extra power is useless when compared to all the weight. no Pros. here just a big con.
rich fortner it's the platform that's the pro. u can use this setup on any car. Ur focused on the wrong part of the equation my friend.
No, not really. The electric motor can move that extra weight with less energy required than the gasoline engine can.
andTo861 150 ft. lbs. not 150 horsepower . big difference .
rich fortner this is an ac-51 ac induction 3phase motor. It produces 148 foot pounds and 51kw of power which is 68.4 hp
No matter how you look at the tech, the rear end is cleeeean
COME ON?!!! fuel efficiency ? Who cares LOL
Everybody , , , including gear heads and tuners, who wouldnt want to save money of they can?
***** Ok.... but as a gear head I can appreciate the craftsmanship and creativity here,,,,
Elbow Grease
You mean besides the earth?
Fuel is not cheap everywhere....
Nizzle FoShizzle that money can be used wisely on other stuff like in time a new body kit and such so who cares people who love their car to more stuff for it.
Cool choice to demo the tech. Reminds me of the electric machine in F1