This is the first time I've ever seen a GP14 described as a high-performance dinghy. A competitive, friendly class yes but doesn't even come close in the 'what is the fastest dinghy' category!
Are you sure? The GP 14 has it's next nationals in Sri Lanka? Tornado's can be quite dangerous you know. There were Tornadoes and Hurricaines and Unicorns and Darts. I prefer Gp14s.
The Laser 4000 is still a beast of a boat for those wanting to go really fast on a shoestring. We bought an old one for £1500 and had many years of crazy fast sailing out of it. They are quite heavy but that gives them a robustness that makes them last. In strong winds on a 3 sail sail reach they are an amazing experience. Luv and Peace.
I did smile when the GP14 came up. If we are looking at old pedigree boats why not the Merlin Rocket. Fascinating class, quick, technical to sale and utterly beautiful to look at. I sailed one as a crew for from 8 years old (youngest crew in the fleet by a long way) and for 8 years and they are super entertaining.
Exactly, even a rocket from the 70s is a much faster and prettier boat than a GP14. I have 1593 which is from 1963, obviously not competitive with the modern boats but still fast in the right conditions. But hard to sail. That's not a criticism of the GP14 but you don't sail one for the ultimate speed thrill!
I had a 14 one Design. Max speed was 34 knots in Newport RI. However I did break 3 masts. I had so many friends that said I was nuts too go out in Extreme wind. But it was so much fun. I also had a 49er and a moth. I am retired now. Great video. Makes me want to sail again 👍😃
I hope those memories have left you with an eternal smile! I'm tempted by a lateish middleage move from Laser to Moth. I think there's a psychological shift needed.
@@Tomm9y my best days of life. We never got hurt. One time when we broke a mast. I little harbor 60 ft tow us back in to Newport. We where giving dinner and cocktails. 😃👍
In the 60's I was introduced to Ian Proctor and began sailing a Proctor International Canoe . We did not have modern tech for speed , but I do recall passing water skiers ! How fast I really do not know , but it was a perfect balance of handling with the sliding seat and really fast sailing in the 60's and still is SO fast . My other sailing passion is the Thistle , thank you Sandy Douglas , which has always been a fast normal planning sailboat .
5:03. My friend Richard's Enterprise and mine (18070 and 2560) have spinnakers, as is considered within the class rules in the US. His has a trapeze, too---not in the rules. One day for a brief starboard tack reach I singlehanded his boat from the trapeze with the spinnaker. It was bit of a challenge to get the kite up (rigged for a crew to do that) and a bit of a thrill when she planed. Thanks for the memory.
505 was one of the nicest boats I sailed. 18 ft skiff used to be considered the fastest thing on the water in Australia until a C-Class catamaran showed them what's what. I was a long time A-Class catamaran sailor, so I'm probably biased. The Contender, designed by Bob Miller (aka Ben Lexcen) was something I always wanted to try. The Musto skiff looks like a more modern, smaller copy.
@Serene Scenes In the mid to late 1980s there was a race on Sydney Harbour between one of the top 18 footers and a C-Class catamaran. The C-Class was hardly a modern catamaran, apart from the wing rig. The hull design was very close to the original Quest C-Class designed by Charlie Cunningham around 1960. The C-Class finished in 60% of the time the 18 took.
@Serene Scenes My version of "it's all relative" is "it all depends" 😄 I seem to remember that the 18 vs C-Class race was sailed in a light to moderate breeze, which suited the C-Class. There was no chance for the 18 to display its blistering downwind planing speed. In general, cats don't plane. It's only when foils came on the scene that cats could get up and fly similar to planing. When I saw 18s sailing on TV, my reaction was "That looks like fun. I wonder if I can rig one so that I can sail it single handed on the trapeze from the outrigger". I took my A-Class for a sail on Sydney Harbour, just to see what it's like and to sail under the Harbour Bridge, in 1982 or 1983. On the way back to Clontarf, where I launched, I encountered a couple of 60 ft or so ocean racers out of the Cruising Yacht Club. It was a few days before Christmas, so I assumed that they were Sydney to Hobart boats doing a bit of tuning. They were working quite hard with crew members on the windward rail. Probably 10 to 12 kts of wind. I was able to point higher and overtake them, even coming from their wind shadow. However, outside the heads? No way 😀 The nacra was, I think, the best of the factory built, fibreglass boats of he time. Some of them were absolute shockers. I'm thinking of the Sol Cat. It looked OK, but it weighed heaps and the bow liked to dive down and cartwheel. The Hobie 18 was so heavy that it needed six guys to lift it onto a trailer. The same size A-Class could be lifted by a husband in wife couple. The nacra of the day had very nice bows - vertical stem and lots of waterline buoyancy. I'm rambling.
@@roadie3124 I've sailed single man cats and a Dart 18 a few times. My experience with them has always been that they are fast right up until the point that they're upside down. There is a maximum speed they can go because eventually the bow digs in and they pitchpole no matter how far back you trapeze of hike. They don't plane so eventually the drag of the one displacement hull catches up with them. Skiffs on the other hand just seem to keep going faster. They also feel faster in my opinion. Cats are great fun but Skiffs are crazy good fun.
It's a crazy expensive boat to make relevant tho. It's a development class so you can buy close to the front of fleet. They are a amazing boats but they don't even have a set hull???? If you want a crazy fast boat for sweetie money look at an old Laser 4000. It's an absolute bargain if you just want to go fast in a sailboat and you're not to fussed about class racing. It's quite hard to beat upwind because there's a lot of power and it's not very well balanced on the wind. Stay off a little bit and plane upwind. Off the wind it comes alive and a three sail reach in an L4K is something to remember forever. It's quite a heavy boat but off the wind it sheds it's weight and becomes a perfectly balanced surfboard that you surf the gusts up and down with absolute confidence. I have never experienced anything like it. Crazy forces in complete balance. Ecstasy. Luv and Peace. As an aside if you buy one the advice is to shave the daggerboard but our experience in not shaving it was it made this unholy harmonic series as we got faster and we found that really exhilarating to hit the third or fourth tone according to how fast we were going. If you're racing I guess cut it because there's wasted energy there. A cut daggerboard is more Fluro dynamic so you'll go stlighty faster but if you're just out to have a fun sail it adds a lot to the experience. The science is the daggerboard isn't sharp enough out the factory to cut through the water at high speeds so it oscillates and makes a noise which as it oscillates more moves through the harmonic series and resonates through the boat. This is wasted energy and you could go faster if it was wedgier and just parted the water better. The class association has acknowledged that and allows trimming of the foil by a set amount. Personally I'd miss the howl of the daggerboard as we accelerate the boat. It adds a ton of drama to an already crazy three sail reach. Luv and Peace.
I would like to see dinghies evaluated for a combination of performance and "ease of use", as follows; Light, but reasonably durable, Sporty performance; Easy to plane and surf. Balanced and comfortable on the wind. Looks after its skipper, - easy to right and clamber back into. Not prone to blowing away from a sailor in strong winds. Most interesting candidate I have seen is the Haydron Dinghy with its interesting buoyancy arrangement, but it has quite a flared hull shape that could make it quite "tippy".
My dad sailed 505s in Singapore. I sailed Laser 4000s on the Tay in Scotland. I doubt my son would be excited to sail GP14s. I guess it's foilers or bust. There must be a foiling cherub by now... Luv and Peace.
Hi Jay, the GP14 might not be the fastest dinghy, but it is a very affordable way to get into Dinghy Racing and they have a very competitive racing fleet. So it's a good way to go quite fast for not a lot of money! Thanks for watching 😊
How much wind will that hike seat catch,I wonder? Could it pitch you forward hard enough to clear the mast? I don't like going face first into a mast so I'm curious.😂
Moths are racing at 18-20 upwind these days and 25-30 downwind. No other dinghy comes close. You'll get a second hand Mach 2 that's competitive in a local fleet for less than $10k now.
A very confusing video. High performance boats and it has a GP14 in it. No doubt it’s a competitive fleet, but high performance? Might as well chuck in the Laser, Firefly, Nat 12, Merlin etc. Obviously RS were not consulted, maybe because of the monopoly that they have with the RS classes and the RYA didn’t want to be seen as promoting a “brand”. As for the RYA, good idea, poorly carried out. Though tbh anyone looking for a high performance dinghy will already know what’s available out there.
What we are interested now is the most comfortable dinghy to sail. We are losing older sailors when they capsize and can't get back in. Also, sailors with knee replacements have trouble kneeling. We need a design that looks after its skipper.
I gave up dinghy racing about 4 years ago. Bored witless of being beaten by the same old faces. For the £25K (who has that to lash out....) more fun can be had with a 6.5m RIB and a 200hp. I can cruise to the pub at the max speed of these dinghies.... and if you look closely all the dinghy sailors have fallen out of the same mould - it’s very very noticeable.
does the Skeeta take a lot of physical strength to sail? Like can a 70 year old handle one very easily or does it pretty much take a power body to handle?
GP14 is high performance? That is an interesting story, I have never heard of that. Also boat for 500 pounds would require 10k investment to make it usable. I have two FDs and had quite a few before. Cheap boat means a lot of money to pump in (or effort) and you still have an old boat.
@@a8a999 Did you really ask a question and then contradict the given answer? The "hanging piece" is called the "Ride Height Adjustor" (or 'wand') and it's connected via linkage to adjust the angle of the trailing edge of the front foil (on the WASZP). But... if you want to continue to believe its just "a reference for the sailor", then be my guest. It's not, though.
This is the first time I've ever seen a GP14 described as a high-performance dinghy. A competitive, friendly class yes but doesn't even come close in the 'what is the fastest dinghy' category!
Even in 1959, when I first sailed in one, they were considered to be dead slow. But they were a one-design class that was well supported.
😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂😂
Thanks RYA I was tempted to upgrade to a GP 14 but I think I will stick to my Tornado.
Are you sure? The GP 14 has it's next nationals in Sri Lanka?
Tornado's can be quite dangerous you know.
There were Tornadoes and Hurricaines and Unicorns and Darts. I prefer Gp14s.
The Laser 4000 is still a beast of a boat for those wanting to go really fast on a shoestring. We bought an old one for £1500 and had many years of crazy fast sailing out of it. They are quite heavy but that gives them a robustness that makes them last.
In strong winds on a 3 sail sail reach they are an amazing experience.
Luv and Peace.
I did smile when the GP14 came up. If we are looking at old pedigree boats why not the Merlin Rocket. Fascinating class, quick, technical to sale and utterly beautiful to look at. I sailed one as a crew for from 8 years old (youngest crew in the fleet by a long way) and for 8 years and they are super entertaining.
Exactly, even a rocket from the 70s is a much faster and prettier boat than a GP14. I have 1593 which is from 1963, obviously not competitive with the modern boats but still fast in the right conditions. But hard to sail. That's not a criticism of the GP14 but you don't sail one for the ultimate speed thrill!
Lovely to see you covering classes that are not just corporate "one des-broing" boats.
~ smiles ~
I had a 14 one Design. Max speed was 34 knots in Newport RI. However I did break 3 masts. I had so many friends that said I was nuts too go out in Extreme wind. But it was so much fun. I also had a 49er and a moth. I am retired now. Great video. Makes me want to sail again 👍😃
I've been dinking around the columbia river gorge in a supersnark. 8kts feels like 30
I hope those memories have left you with an eternal smile! I'm tempted by a lateish middleage move from Laser to Moth. I think there's a psychological shift needed.
@@Tomm9y my best days of life. We never got hurt. One time when we broke a mast. I little harbor 60 ft tow us back in to Newport. We where giving dinner and cocktails. 😃👍
In the 60's I was introduced to Ian Proctor and began sailing a Proctor International Canoe . We did not have modern tech for speed , but I do recall passing water skiers ! How fast I really do not know , but it was a perfect balance of handling with the sliding seat and really fast sailing in the 60's and still is SO fast . My other sailing passion is the Thistle , thank you Sandy Douglas , which has always been a fast normal planning sailboat .
Awesome video! I could spend days watching this kind of stuff!
Thanks for watching - stay tuned for more!
The GP 14 is a nice boat - although I wouldn't exactly call it a high performance machine - but, hey! who needs to go fast all the time?
5:03. My friend Richard's Enterprise and mine (18070 and 2560) have spinnakers, as is considered within the class rules in the US. His has a trapeze, too---not in the rules. One day for a brief starboard tack reach I singlehanded his boat from the trapeze with the spinnaker. It was bit of a challenge to get the kite up (rigged for a crew to do that) and a bit of a thrill when she planed. Thanks for the memory.
505 was one of the nicest boats I sailed. 18 ft skiff used to be considered the fastest thing on the water in Australia until a C-Class catamaran showed them what's what. I was a long time A-Class catamaran sailor, so I'm probably biased. The Contender, designed by Bob Miller (aka Ben Lexcen) was something I always wanted to try. The Musto skiff looks like a more modern, smaller copy.
Someone lent me their Contender for an afternoon years ago, I absolutely loved it. If I ever get another boat it will be a Contender or an RS600.
@@lukedaniel7669 Lucky you.
@Serene Scenes In the mid to late 1980s there was a race on Sydney Harbour between one of the top 18 footers and a C-Class catamaran. The C-Class was hardly a modern catamaran, apart from the wing rig. The hull design was very close to the original Quest C-Class designed by Charlie Cunningham around 1960. The C-Class finished in 60% of the time the 18 took.
@Serene Scenes My version of "it's all relative" is "it all depends" 😄 I seem to remember that the 18 vs C-Class race was sailed in a light to moderate breeze, which suited the C-Class. There was no chance for the 18 to display its blistering downwind planing speed. In general, cats don't plane. It's only when foils came on the scene that cats could get up and fly similar to planing. When I saw 18s sailing on TV, my reaction was "That looks like fun. I wonder if I can rig one so that I can sail it single handed on the trapeze from the outrigger".
I took my A-Class for a sail on Sydney Harbour, just to see what it's like and to sail under the Harbour Bridge, in 1982 or 1983. On the way back to Clontarf, where I launched, I encountered a couple of 60 ft or so ocean racers out of the Cruising Yacht Club. It was a few days before Christmas, so I assumed that they were Sydney to Hobart boats doing a bit of tuning. They were working quite hard with crew members on the windward rail. Probably 10 to 12 kts of wind. I was able to point higher and overtake them, even coming from their wind shadow. However, outside the heads? No way 😀
The nacra was, I think, the best of the factory built, fibreglass boats of he time. Some of them were absolute shockers. I'm thinking of the Sol Cat. It looked OK, but it weighed heaps and the bow liked to dive down and cartwheel. The Hobie 18 was so heavy that it needed six guys to lift it onto a trailer. The same size A-Class could be lifted by a husband in wife couple. The nacra of the day had very nice bows - vertical stem and lots of waterline buoyancy.
I'm rambling.
@@roadie3124 I've sailed single man cats and a Dart 18 a few times. My experience with them has always been that they are fast right up until the point that they're upside down. There is a maximum speed they can go because eventually the bow digs in and they pitchpole no matter how far back you trapeze of hike. They don't plane so eventually the drag of the one displacement hull catches up with them. Skiffs on the other hand just seem to keep going faster. They also feel faster in my opinion.
Cats are great fun but Skiffs are crazy good fun.
If you’re looking for the fastest non foiling skiff, then International 14’s are the way to go. 😍
It's a crazy expensive boat to make relevant tho. It's a development class so you can buy close to the front of fleet.
They are a amazing boats but they don't even have a set hull????
If you want a crazy fast boat for sweetie money look at an old Laser 4000.
It's an absolute bargain if you just want to go fast in a sailboat and you're not to fussed about class racing.
It's quite hard to beat upwind because there's a lot of power and it's not very well balanced on the wind. Stay off a little bit and plane upwind.
Off the wind it comes alive and a three sail reach in an L4K is something to remember forever. It's quite a heavy boat but off the wind it sheds it's weight and becomes a perfectly balanced surfboard that you surf the gusts up and down with absolute confidence.
I have never experienced anything like it.
Crazy forces in complete balance.
Ecstasy.
Luv and Peace.
As an aside if you buy one the advice is to shave the daggerboard but our experience in not shaving it was it made this unholy harmonic series as we got faster and we found that really exhilarating to hit the third or fourth tone according to how fast we were going.
If you're racing I guess cut it because there's wasted energy there. A cut daggerboard is more Fluro dynamic so you'll go stlighty faster but if you're just out to have a fun sail it adds a lot to the experience.
The science is the daggerboard isn't sharp enough out the factory to cut through the water at high speeds so it oscillates and makes a noise which as it oscillates more moves through the harmonic series and resonates through the boat.
This is wasted energy and you could go faster if it was wedgier and just parted the water better.
The class association has acknowledged that and allows trimming of the foil by a set amount.
Personally I'd miss the howl of the daggerboard as we accelerate the boat. It adds a ton of drama to an already crazy three sail reach.
Luv and Peace.
I would like to see dinghies evaluated for a combination of performance and "ease of use", as follows; Light, but reasonably durable, Sporty performance; Easy to plane and surf. Balanced and comfortable on the wind. Looks after its skipper, - easy to right and clamber back into. Not prone to blowing away from a sailor in strong winds. Most interesting candidate I have seen is the Haydron Dinghy with its interesting buoyancy arrangement, but it has quite a flared hull shape that could make it quite "tippy".
Some of the RS designs are very flared and tippy, and in my short experience a divil to right. Foiling needs more support!
25k for a new Int14. Wow. And why are you even looking at GP14’s (as good as they are) in a fastest boat item?
My dad sailed 505s in Singapore.
I sailed Laser 4000s on the Tay in Scotland.
I doubt my son would be excited to sail GP14s.
I guess it's foilers or bust.
There must be a foiling cherub by now...
Luv and Peace.
Given the title of this video, why on earth is a gp14 in the mix for fastest Dinghy 😂😂😂
Hi Jay, the GP14 might not be the fastest dinghy, but it is a very affordable way to get into Dinghy Racing and they have a very competitive racing fleet. So it's a good way to go quite fast for not a lot of money! Thanks for watching 😊
Haha they got to GP14 and I was like what is going on here 😂
My 1965 GP14 with wooden spars and cotton sails is still the fastest dinghy in the world. I know this to be true because I think it is.
@@ushoys Oooh.. Are you one of the PM's Advisors?
Sounds like you're qualified...
What about UK Cherubs! Great little things. And RS800s
Think we need a part 2!!
Cherubs are amazing, I sailed one in the mid to late 90’s and we were clocked at 25knts!
@@DinghyRacingChannel nah, I just think one of those boats needs to be swapped out 😂
Maybe Hannah got confused between a B14 and the GP14! The stands were next to one another at that show...😀
Everyone are so nice...
How much wind will that hike seat catch,I wonder? Could it pitch you forward hard enough to clear the mast? I don't like going face first into a mast so I'm curious.😂
Moths are racing at 18-20 upwind these days and 25-30 downwind. No other dinghy comes close. You'll get a second hand Mach 2 that's competitive in a local fleet for less than $10k now.
Nice video but maybe the titles aspirations are beyond the scope of the 8 minutes used..
A very confusing video. High performance boats and it has a GP14 in it. No doubt it’s a competitive fleet, but high performance? Might as well chuck in the Laser, Firefly, Nat 12, Merlin etc. Obviously RS were not consulted, maybe because of the monopoly that they have with the RS classes and the RYA didn’t want to be seen as promoting a “brand”. As for the RYA, good idea, poorly carried out. Though tbh anyone looking for a high performance dinghy will already know what’s available out there.
What we are interested now is the most comfortable dinghy to sail. We are losing older sailors when they capsize and can't get back in. Also, sailors with knee replacements have trouble kneeling. We need a design that looks after its skipper.
Great idea - we will see what we can do!
I gave up dinghy racing about 4 years ago. Bored witless of being beaten by the same old faces.
For the £25K (who has that to lash out....) more fun can be had with a 6.5m RIB and a 200hp. I can cruise to the pub at the max speed of these dinghies.... and if you look closely all the dinghy sailors have fallen out of the same mould - it’s very very noticeable.
Harbor 20, it’s what old people, like me, sail, and race.
How do waszp have equilibrium ? Physically, the foil ? I Dont understand that by now…
I have a Skeeta now and I’ve topped 20kts in my first few sails.
Great job!! I was sailing an RS feva and got to 14 knots of speed. We should race
does the Skeeta take a lot of physical strength to sail? Like can a 70 year old handle one very easily or does it pretty much take a power body to handle?
Go Jamie 👍👍👍
Nacra?
GP14 is high performance? That is an interesting story, I have never heard of that. Also boat for 500 pounds would require 10k investment to make it usable. I have two FDs and had quite a few before. Cheap boat means a lot of money to pump in (or effort) and you still have an old boat.
I was in barbados at the gp14 worlds
No way same
I wonder why she didn't ask for the top speed of a GP14 to the GP14 guy...
Nice but I will stick with my flying dutchman.
The next fastest dinghy is going to be the one based on AC75 design concept and electronic foil control. Should be very safe, stable and easy to fly.
is the interviewer in a speech speed contest? how many words per second is her record?
505s ONE OF THE FAST YACHTS. DESIGNER. JOHN WESTALL IN 1954.
What with 18fit skiff??
Club sailors
What about VX one?
Why is the gp here
Wondering the same thing
No International Moth or 18foot skiff but a GP14............... weird!
505. 505. 505 !!!
i 14s in perth :)
2:29 Does anyone know what is the hanging piece for?
it adjusts the trim of the (rear?) foil, keeping the boat pitch level.
@@a8a999 Did you really ask a question and then contradict the given answer?
The "hanging piece" is called the "Ride Height Adjustor" (or 'wand') and it's connected via linkage to adjust the angle of the trailing edge of the front foil (on the WASZP).
But... if you want to continue to believe its just "a reference for the sailor", then be my guest.
It's not, though.
RS400 is much faster than a GP14 and a great boat to sail.
Don't drop the mainsheet
Relatively cheap at £11,000....🤣
A glaring omission is the Contender - check this out: th-cam.com/video/tqR3AEG_g0A/w-d-xo.html
4000 best boat
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Opti obviously
Lol. Top speed 3.7?
40 knots no problem
@@chadmansit8530 what
Foiling Opti that's the ticket
@@dinzeinxsuateach9880 a moth can’t go 40 knots
Foiling moth
Way too many quick cuts
How can a mike that big and coloueful be so bad to listen to? Fuzz, pop, amd blare galore!
propaganda mezclada skiffs una mezcla arbitraria