Should you use wrist in forehand topspin table tennis?
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- Should you use wrist in your forehand loop? Some coach says "No", another says "Yes". So what is the correct answer?
Chinese techniques allow you to use wrist in table tennis. Using wrist is a fine and superior technique, and you should master the basic technique first (using the hip, elbow to topspin). Later, you can learn to add the wrist to increase the power of your stroke.
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best coach. I have so much improved my forehand loop over the past 6 months thanks to his videos. The video about the forehand grip more open and letting the ball come, hit it later was a real breakthrough for me. Now I would love to see a video about foot work.
+Peter Snizek thank you
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach fact is, last coach i had told me to hit the ball sooner, not later, but i realized that what i did incorrectly was i didnt hit « from the ground, with arm close to the body ». Hitting the ball later makes it so much easier to play more spinny balls !
I wish we had coaching where I am. Watching videos like this is my only coaching for a bloke who's 50 and been playing for about 15 years
Best table tennis coach on TH-cam! Great job coach ERT!
Very well explained video! Love the use of different examples from pros to amateurs
Someone to recommend good video with forehand wrist -instruction?
Surely EmRatThich knows
you are a beautiful soul, thank you for your videos
Great insight in all of your videos! Thank you coach
Best table tennis video that makes the different between advanced players and intermediate players Thank you
fantastic explanation on an extremely important topic
Thanks Coach, after watching the video I’ve managed to increase my quickness and accuracy of my hit. My forehand loops still suck though, but my archery has never been better.
Great stuff! Thanks for posting this video.
Coach, you're the best! Thanks for the advice! :)
Thanks for details coach!...shoulders, arms, wrist n fingers understood, hips, legs and tt bat for sure..great learnings!
Excellent presentation! Thank you, Coach!
My pleasure!
Timo Boll uses a lot wrist and finger techniques! you could have mentioned him here.Anyways,great video!
truly underrated channel
Really another excellent video of yours!
I'm a brazilian amateur player I would like to know from you how you, in yours debut, got to maintain your hand definitelly bowed when you were with the paddle.
Wow THAT WAS some advice. As a tt average player from India and NO stranger to ancient advice I fully applaud your video :) !!
Exactly.
I use wrist tu put the ball short the net and move my opponent to his right and worth it because almost all he can recover when I do a side spin return to his left, it is very effective. Cheers
And your accent is getting better, nice
hey! thanks for another great vid! could you tel me, is holding the non playing hand like it's in a cast the optimum body attitude?
Fantastic advice, as always!
(PS: the emphasis in "detail" is on the first syllable :) )
thank you! Oh, my old mistake. I know it's 'de.tail... but I need more training :) Like table tennis
Hi coach,
Thanks for the super helpful video! I stopped trying because it was less consistent but will have a go again and keep practising. But why not give a chopping with backhand tutorial? In depth like these videos. As defensive tutorials are lacking. Especially how to play styles like Gionis/Filus where they don't chop on forehand, as pure chopping tutorials are there.
Super stuff...Love your videos!!
Great video! Thank you!
Hello EmRatThich ,
I asked this question from a few other people too but I wanted to get your advise on it !
Thanks for all the great videos and very helpful tips and has helped me quite a bit. I have played tt for a 4-5 yrs but not regularly so would say am around 6/10 !
I have a question on returning a heavy underspin especially a very low serve with topspin when the ball is very low and deep. I wanted to give an insight into what the situation is and then ask the question for THAT situation.
The table we are playing is an average one. We were playing with a 3 star stiga ball with quite an even bounce (very rarely like 1 in a 50 it gets low bounce). I am using: Racket Assembly Yasaka Sweden Extra - Flared Handle, F/H: Yasaka Rakza 7 - Red 2.0, (for forehand) B/H: Yasaka Mark V - Black Max. My aim was to go with a bat which is a balanced one with good spin control. The other people are using just general racquets which are stiga entry level ones (not the worst) and have been used for a bit so are like 4/10 now.
I find that when I am using those general racquets I am fine with the game. When I use mine and the opponent is using the general ones to play it is also fine. The other day the opponent was using his personal racquet and doing underspin and deep serves. I found that if I used the general racquet to return I can do it comfortably. However when I used my personal racquet I find the ball not THAT easy to control (my fault too coz I wasn't practicing with it :( ) for that serve. So here is the situation
Situation: Deep and low underspin serve keeping very low and also bouncing low (ie 6 inches or less after SECOND bounce). When using my racquet to push it is fine. When I try to top spin or loop it is going out of the table. I was trying to USE low racquet speed (not High) to do the top spin. I believe HIGH speed is what is recommended in these cases but I just want to use low to see if I can do it rather than just powering through it. So here are my questions.
1). Is is possible to topspin for my case above with low racquet speed or do I HAVE to use high speed? I thought that since the ball already has a spin and I am merely adding to it INSTEAD of reversing it , hence low speed should have worked. Is this correct ? Please advice
2). Are the rubbers correct esp the FOREHAND one for such a low speed shot or should I have chosen something with MORE spin to it to do this ?
I am sorry for the long winded question but hope you can advise. Thanks!
excellent advice
great video, c'est genial ERT ! les détails sont importants
+FerJaSo merci. vous etes un seul fr ici?
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach hello coach, je suis français également et regarde régulièrement vos.vidéos, très instructives. Merci pour votre aide !
thx a lot coach !!! love u
Super! My coach Joe Low in Vancouver taught me to use the wrist right away. But one has to be careful as the wrist can compensate for body rotation and one can develop a bad habit.
May I pls suggest (English is not my first languauge) but the word ADVICE does not have plural. There is no such word as ADVICES. I am a teacher and am saying it in the most educational and positive way.
One question pls: short racket, body travel to accelerate in the serve for more spin. A video about just this aspect, if possible, Sir
Merci et vos videos sont toujours attendues avec impatience!
+igor goga merci. thank you. advice but not advices
+igor goga thank you igor. advice but not advices. i ve visited toronto and montreal but not yet vancouver. bests
your coache's name is Joe Law (not Joe Low). ;>
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Thanks for the best video
thank you coach
Good pts. I like how you make us think, "Is this correct or not?" You ultimately said it depends on the person's lvl. The answer, unfortunately, always depends. I'm not quite at the lvl of using wrist on my FH. I just use it on my BH. But my Chinese coach does emphasize to me to stay relaxed, loose, and use a "cowboy whip" technique like you mentioned.
This leads to my question:
When doing FH loop, some say (pointing to a European style) that you should hit the ball in front of you at its peak height. Kind of like Timo Boll. My Chinese coach says no, that it's not necessarily a European style (Timo Boll, he says, uses the whip style), pointing to Samsonov as the prime example of a European who uses and derives power from the "whip" style.
That's where my Chinese coach says to me to wait for the ball. So, rather than hitting the ball when it's in front of you, hit the ball when it's almost at your side and somewhat falling downward. You derive tons of power and spin that way, and it's the way all the pros do it.
So, the question is: Which is the "correct" way of FH loop? The whip style, or the hitting-ball-in-front-of-you style that lots of non-Chinese coaches teach?
(I've had 2 non-Chinese coaches and neither mentioned the whip style. Whereas the whip style is the 1st thing the Chinese coach taught me.)
For me, interestingly, the answer lies in the answer to the next question: Which style has benefited me most? Strangely, it's the whip style. Still gotta refine the technique though.
Ma long uses Whip style, so...
Hello Coach... What's the moviment that i should do with my wrist in forehand topspin ?
BTW, Awesome as always.
great stuff as always!!! thanks for another unique advice video, im gonna apply what you said in my training today. i have one question tho, how can you use your fingers in your strokes?
I just today came across your request (two years after your comment). Maybe I can help. What he means is that at the moment you strike the ball you should tighten your fingers for a moment. It gives more power to your stroke and gives it more precision
hello emrat thich This is syed jabir from pakistan,please upload video about shakehand grip of malong that how to hold shakehand grip without changing for backhand as well forehand
Hello Emrathich... yours videos about Asian players and their techniques is really good...I'm using Dhs rubber(FH) and stiga blade since 7years...mastered that Asian technique..but I have a question...as table tennis geting update.. in future will it be close to table play?..like hitting off the bounce...
Hey I am looking for some advice, I am looking for a hard table tennis rubber to go with the stiga infinity blade ... Any suggestions ?
More documentaries?
But I still like the video!
Good advices on the wrist usage thanks, but the cross reference to archery is not appropriate, it has to do with design of the bow used and the location of the arrow rest.
Hey coach emrattich iam from lebanon i am using hurricane 3 neo on my forehand how can i contact you its important
Thank you.
My questions would be if there is a little bit of wrist lag on the forehand like in tennis, i can see It on penholders like xu xin but dont know if shakehand players do It aswell
So much to learn coach.
This game is so complex that we will always be learning
Good teacher
When the legs, hips, and waist are used together, it doesn't matter if your arms are made out of rubber or steel, you can still generate a powerful stroke.
Great lesson. I recently started using the wrist in practice. I am curious, however, about your statement that using the fingers is the "Master" level. Can you explain this?
zeke Vega Right at the moment of ball contact, push the back of the racket with your index finger to give your forehand loop more power. In BH, push with your thumb
Sir what should be are ready position? Should we bend to much or stand a little bend ? As I watched ma long stand a little bend however timo boll bend to much. Thank you.
Whatever is comfortable. A lot of times this has to do with your own anatomy.
Can you teach me the right timing to flick backhand????
okay, but what is the function of each element (shoulder, elbow, wrist and fingers) in the execution of the forehand?
I started to play table tennis at an advanced age (37). Used to play around one month in a year during summer vacation in our country. Now I am 47 and just two years back I started playing more frequently. Applying the technique as seen in the tt videos in you tube. However when i chanced upon your videos I have understood the intricacies of the game much better. What I have understood about the use of wrist is that when you keep your hands loose, and play with rotation of your body with no pressure on your arm, the resultant effect is an automatic slight moment of the wrist. I understood it as a natural moment when the hands are kept loose and not a deliberate act.
wrist in forehand add more spin to the ball. is this right?
Emratthich can u answer my question
U said backhand players use reverse pendulum serve but fan zhangdon is a backhand player but he use pendulum why? And how much should I bend in Backhand stroke
I saw Chinese players bending a lot in backhand strokes
Dhananjayan Subramanian no FZD uses reverse the most
Nice!
As a penholder when I use my wrist it causes my back fingers to move forward. Very annoying. How do you fix that?
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Is there anything wrong with extending the wrist back for the loop so you are more behind the ball instead of leaving wrist in line with the forearm?
I see this done by some players when they are looping backspin. I assume it's because the swing trajectory is so close to vertical that the wrist must be bent back and snapped forward to assist with applying forward momentum on the ball.
It’s two different things. The coach says to fix the read for the people who uses wrist to control the angle of the ball. That’s very dangerous (not literally!). It’s impossible to be consistent when your wrist is micro adjusting the bat angle messing up your strokes. It’s fine to use the wrist in the same angle as your strokes.
I don’t know wtf I’m typing read. I mean wrist.
Who disliked this............well nvm gotta back to training hall lol
+Faris Imran there are the haters who dislike all of the videos
+Faris Imran there are the haters who dislike all of the videos
+Faris Imran there are the haters who dislike all of the videos
Exact, wrist then fingers help to have a good In Pai.
it's actually kind of a terrible/confused question (though a very crucial one to address), there's confusion in it with one coach saying to do it and another not to, 'cos to say "using the wrist" is ambiguous. Do they mean an actual wrist movement i.e. wrist bending.. Or do they mean forearm rotation or do they even mean including upper arm rotation. If they are talking about the wrist "turning", it's not actually the wrist , it's the forearm. The wrist is just attached. Like if you headbutt somebody, your head strikes theirs but it wasn't a head movement that did it. In badminton one coach could say use the wrist and another might say don't, but they mean different things 'cos neither of them are using the correct anatomical terms to be specific eough about what they are talking about. Sometimes they do a demonstration to say waht they mean so even if they lack the terminology they can demonstrate it. So the two might even mean the same thing but one saying to use the wrist and one saying not to! The same issues can exist in table tennis. It's not a bad idea to clarify the question. Your pics are good as they show wrist bending is meant by you. and that is actually an actual wrist movement. (What those coaches meant by using the wrist is another matter! and the student asking the question could press them on the specifics)
Hi Guys , coach mentioned that the master level is using finger with stroke , so which finger he mean ? and how we practise it ?
thank you very much i will try
Sir can you show yourself playing table tennis
Coach. I usually generate a lot of spin with my forehand loop but not enough speed. What can I do to remedy this
Olusegun Oyewole My tip would be to rotate your upper body into your topspin, just like Ma Long does. Or you can try to improve your fitness level.
Helzar @Helzar. Thanks a lot. I will do both
You said that using fingers is the master level could you please explain how to do it
Is this a table tennis video or archery??
So why timo boll is using wrist in forehand topspin. He said itself in one video that using the wrist can generate more power.
and? whats the point of ur phrase?
wrist very vulnarable part of the hand..some get musclepain with block..i think wrist need warming up for tabletennes and maybe little powertraining too for pros
i also think using wrist is extra risk for topspin
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i didnt gets the word hit like the cowboy what is the meaning of these?
okay, so we know that we should use the wrist after we got the basics down. My question is how? how should we be using the wrist?
snap it forward ("like a whip") just before striking the ball
FH without wrist is like a whip but with the last inch of the tip wrapped in layers of duct tape making it rigid. The whip has power, but not as much as a whip with a bendy tip.
How does that relate to archery?
The archery video tell us that we need to learn table tennis also from ancient technic for a better result (same as the archery guy)
should we use the wrist in fore hand loop?
It depends on your skill
i think we shouldn"t use wrist in loop we should use arm.what you say?
If you can use your wrist when you loop, then your stroke will be more fast, more spinny. So yes, you should use your wrist. But again, it depends on your skill.
thanks bro
How to generate heavy side spin in your topspin
Adjust the contact point and brush around the top side of the ball
Do Ma Long and Fan Zhendong use their WRISTS in their forehand counter-topspins and counter-loops?
On the TH-cam videos I've seen they do NOT appear to be using their wrists. What do you think?
using wrist, OK will do.. but honestly using the waist in every single top spin is very very tiring to be played😁
But it will give you a six pack!
Play from you legs so true
what does that mean?
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Has tabletennis 11 responded pls tell me as I am getting very scared because nationals is in just 2 months.
You have 2 months. Be patient. They will answer this week and change the blade for you.
EmRatThich Table Tennis Coach Equipment is not the most important + it can just make it worse if you never tried it or don't know if it fits your style. Nationals are though really important which I also prepare for. Good luck anyways! 😉
You instantly lost me when you tried referencing Lars' archery. A lot of it was poorly researched.
Why u share this. Its a secret technique
Pls tell me
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