Whats great about this episode is the hypocrisy of Butter's dad. Earlier in the series he was caught engaging in relations with guys at a bathhouse behind his wife's back. So he was definetly at least bi-curious and had gay experiences when he caught butters and cartman.
I know someone who was forced into conversion therapy when I was a teen. He was literally tortured (sleep deprived, had electrodes used on his genitals, made to vomit, etc). He tried to end his life when he got home. I knew something similar to that would happen to me if I came out, so I never did (and still haven't to many people for a multitude of reasons, despite being in my mid-30's). I grew up in a very religious, bigoted, and hypocritical family/community. They still practice conversion therapy today, only it's branded as "therapy sessions" with the church leaders. It is horrendous and breaks my heart.
Anyone can call anything they want anything they want. Someone abducting and torturing a person for being gay and then calling it "conversion therapy" doesn't make it actual conversion therapy. It's just torture. Not all Muslims are terrorists, Not all Christian conversion therapy situations are literal torture. The difference is not just "branding", it's the actual practices. Torture isn't therapy, anyone who says that it is is just lying, and not all conversion therapy is torture, some is actually therapy. It's an insane level of bigotry to assume that what some evil people did, while claiming to be doing good, means you can no longer trust good people who are actually doing good. It's not rational either.
@Vicente Torres alias Vits I've come out to friends, but no one in my family or that community. They've always suspected, though. I've only spoken to them twice in nearly 7 years after an unexpected death. Except my nieces, nephews, and nibblings. I've always kept in contact with them. My family said anyone who came out in my family would no longer be allowed near the children because they would "poison" them. By then, I had several kids in my family disclose to me that they were queer and/or trans because I was at least vocal about hating my family's bigotry, even if I wasn't out myself. I stayed silent so I could be there to be the supportive person in the kids' (many of whom are adults now) lives that I never had.
@ContentiousCritic You can not change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. Studies have proven that. Encouraging someone to "change" their sexual orientation or gender identity under the guise of therapy is still reprehensible. And it isn't legitimate therapy at that. It's actively harmful. It may not be physical torture, but it can be tantamount to emotional torture. Both practices are unacceptable. If you're ignoring studies that say your "talk therapy" will increase the risk of someone ending their life, cause immense emotional distress, and absolutely will not work, sorry, you are not a good person. Period. If you know your "counseling" will lead to harm and you do it anyway, you're complicit in the harm it causes.
@@mandipandi303 I'm so sorry. Although, based on all the details you mentioned, I guess this was the best possible outcome. Still, I hope things get better for you and those children.
Knew a lesbian who didn't realize she was a lesbian because she was so religious. She just thought she was killing it at not lusting after guys. Editing to add: I met her after she realized she was a lesbian. She said it was a crazy lightbulb moment when she realized why she didn't struggle with impure thoughts like her friends.
I will say, as someone who was sent to a pray the gay away camp after I was outed when I was 11/12, conversion therapy only confirmed I am in fact a lesbian. Like, isolating me with a group of 15-20 girls around my age, with 99% of us being super rebellious and having zero respect for the staff just meant we all formed this weird solidarity with each other and learned to just say what they wanted so we could leave. Like, it’s hard to shame and guilt someone when the person you’re victimizing thinks you’re an idiot and has no value in your opinion, and we all just formed our groups and helped each other deal with things.
Like, I know my experience was an outlier, I’m very very lucky that I got sent to the place I did and not somewhere worse. I just look back at my experience and laugh at how I had my sexuality more solidified while in a place that was supposed to make me repress it. Like, I’m sure our Pastor didn’t think he was just making us accept our sexuality more while he ranted about god hating gays for hours on end
That's the thing why I have never believed in shaming, at least in case of adults because you can't shame someone who doesn't feel he/she is doing something shameful.
"Too many gay people actually believe they're happy." Wow. That was a quote not only explicitly said, but included in an article? And no one realized that it means "...but I know whether someone is happy or not better than they do, and they shouldn't believe they're happy"? Damn.
You have to put things into context, women with anorexia might think they're happy being nearly 100lb under weight, but it takes outside intervention to help them, no different than alcoholic or anyone with substance abuse, gambling addicts and people with an identity that revolves around entertainment, sex addicts... all of these people will swear up and down that they are "happy" when they're doing something that others can see is counter productive to their own lives and those around them. Suggesting that simply "being happy" is the end all argument is insane. Child predators are most "happy" when preying on small children. That obviously doesn't make it right... how "happy" or "comfortable" someone is shouldn't be the metric in which society deems something morally right or wrong. All of the problematic scenarios listed above will have people who are absolutely miserable outside of their self afflicted comfort zones, and if you want a far less extreme example, just look at people with eating disorders (fat people...). Take them to the gym or on a run, they will be absolutely miserable and the most uncomfortable in their lives. They would much rather be at home, on the couch, eating a greasy pizza. Again... happy doesn't = right. When you place the proper context onto homosexuals and transgender people, you can see very visible patterns of suicide, depression, sexual addiction and other addictions being chased after to mask the depression, not to mention diseases more prone to be spread through gay sex which people love to ignore and pretend doesn't exist as not to offend anyone's lifestyle... despite the fact that people literally die from this. In short, simply using what makes someone "happy" as a metric for anything, is really, really stupid. Life is about conditioning yourself to things that net objectively good results, not subjectively good results like a relative feeling of comfort at any given time.
@@riptor4532 what was the overall point of your comment I read it a few times. Seems pretty problematic for the channel you are on... may want to reconsider as it can read like you are being homophobic.
@@riptor4532 Wow what a bigot. Have you ever thought that LGBTQ people have those issues because of the way society treats them? Comparing them to people who suffer from anorexia is to quote you "really, really stupid". There are plenty of LGBTQ people who are happy and guess what? They tend to have people around them who are loving and supporting of them and live in a society that loves and supports them.
@@riptor4532 "Child predators are most "happy" when preying on small children. That obviously doesn't make it right..." Yes because they are hurting someone who is young and vulnerable. That is different than two gay adults consenting to have sex.
Highly recommend the episode “Cripple Fight”! There’s a whole plot about the parents not wanting Big Gay Al to be the scout leader because they don’t trust a homosexual to be around their kids. Some hilarious moments and twists in that episode lol
The best monolog of the whole episode comes from the Big Gay AL himself right at the end and people should learn from that more than anything else in the episode combined.
I love that Bradley is saved by Butters essentially giving voice to another perspective and way of dealing with other people’s intolerence. Bradley feels seen and accepted which breaks through all the painful shame and allows him to see another way out. Very therapy-like.
My mother had a friend who loved me when I was a little baby, they worked at the mall together. he was sent to conversion camp when he was young and it destroyed his life so much that he later on killed himself. Watching this episode and seeing that child hanging hits really, really hard. These camps are an actual nightmare
The fact they assigned Ryan to Butters shows they are completely clueless when it comes to understanding how any of those kids were feeling or what they were going through.
This is 100% Butters' *best* moment of the series, as he dresses down the adults for their treatment of all the campers, and in doing so manages to pull Bradley off the literal ledge. And all while having *no* idea what was actually going on! And with the adults' reactions to Bradley coming off the ledge, I know one person who had successfully battled cancer give virtually no credit to the Doctors for the successful treatment, which always rubbed me the wrong way.
Everything is projected onto Butters here. His father projects his own confusion onto Butters, butters has no defined sexuality yet, he's still a kid, and is oblivious the whole episode.
My parents tried to send me to one of these camps. I was still living at home at 19 while going to college I’m just glad I was old enough and self aware enough to refuse. I ended up being kicked out onto the street for it, but still think that’s better than the torture these places do to people
I really appreciated this video. I don’t actually watch South Park, and I think this episode in particular would have actually been triggering for me. I am a survivor of conversion therapy, having gone through it twice. I’m going to share this video as I continue in whatever way as I can to see this horrible practice expunged from our country. And our world.
This is one of my favourite episodes, tied with the Tourettes one. For me, this is peak South Park satire - using over-the-top stereotypes and dead kid jokes to make a really genuine and empathetic point about how we treat our fellow man. They don't always hit the mark, especially with some of their trans commentary (aside from The Cissy which I find to be another surprisingly empathetic episode), but this episode is spot on and I wouldn't change a thing about it.
I’d rewatch that episode because it wasn’t transphobic imo. I think they were using Heather to illustrate a point about how a lot of the hate is from sexist men and to make fun of the stereotype of trans women rather than saying “we genuinely believe trans athletes are like this.” Especially with the episode b plot of the girls and board games. I think the only part of the episode that had any sort of criticism was them saying the issue when it relates to sports isn’t black and white and needs to be discussed. Like the scene with PC Principal when he tries to delicately explain it. And I think that’s why the rest of the episode and the b plot was used to highlight how while it is a fair point to bring up biological sex rather than just gender identity in the realm of athletics, they recognized how a majority of the voices speaking out care more about hating on trans people in all walks of life rather than just wanting to discuss that one issue in particular.
I have a lot of issues with south park but the joke of the counselor bringing Butters to his accountabilibuddy only to cut to the kid hanging in his room has stayed in my head rent free
The initial accusations remind me of my childhood . There was gossip about me in my first year of jr high. Eventually I overheard girls from school, talking on the city bus saying I was a prostitute. The other one said “she looks so innocent “. I remember wondering what “prostitute” meant. I was innocent. I didn’t even know what they were talking about. I looked it up in the dictionary but I didn’t understand that either. I almost asked my Art teacher in first period the following monday. I never told anybody though. Now that I think back, that’s a weird rumor.
This episode has always been hard for me to watch as a queer person - because I know how real the abuse is in places like these conversion camps. Kids actually take their own lives because of them. Happy to see your analysis on it.
I think you could see 5 kids do it in that episode... At the end of the Episode where he stood at the edge saying "I am not normal, I'll never be normal!"... that really hits different when you stood there yourselfe. I did not want to go to the Camp I signed up for to please my parents wishes. In front of the bus I denied to go. The leador orderd 6 of my bullys to grab me and push me in. I resisted. He stopped before people get hurt. He promised me even tho it was not allowed I could use my Phone wich I confessed I smuggled with me, if it becomes to much to handle at the Camp. As we arrived he and the bullys stood in front of my tend and gave me 5 minutes to give my phone or they take it by force and tie me to the stake. At that moment I was a Prisoner and even tho I gave my Phone they did it anyways. They always beat me in school and they continued at camp. They were task to wake people... guess where and how I woke up. They draged me through camp with a Noos around my neck connected to my hands tied in front. They draged me over the dirt in nothing but my underwear. The Leader is dead to me as are the bullys if I remember their faces or names. (I dont know why I have trouble with names, faces and dates in general but that makes it more difficult. Actually im glad I dont remember) I was at a "normal" camp but the people there treated me poorly and I kind of surpressed it till I was 25 and now I know why I cant enjoy my holydays when in a crowded place or people walk behind me. Or why I try to be complient to everything or try to be "unhealthy" friends with anyone. I mean fu*k I helped a coworker who isnt particularly nice but probably had no other options left than to ask me since Im trying to be nice to help him move his stuff and I did. Back in the day I thought that being tied up and beaten doesnt harm me because its just a few scratches. There are Adults there. Not like they could do actual violence since I thought I could take it without a scrach besides the bodily ones wich where minor... (a bloody nose at max. No intent to incapabilitate me or kill me in the long term because i would have fought for my life with all I have. I draw the line there. (wich is to late honestly)) But unknowingly at the time the mental impact of the punches chipped away my resolve, the feeling of being bound to do nothing against anything from the ropes stayed, the existential crisis while life disassembles my body, the knife attack from a random drunk guy. Everything hit at once and i could not handle it. All i wished for was to.. bury me and be forgotten. (Citisen Soldier, TJ_Beastboy(taddl), Jay Jiggy, Curse, my best friend and a lot more rally saved my life) I didnt realise Im gay till I was 18/19. Children are monster and people who throw trash out of their car too. What has become of human decency?
My dad was a pastor and when I was ten I started seeing a “counselor” at this private religious institute that was an hour away from home. I saw him for about three and a half years once a month, then once every other week, then once a week. I didn’t trust him but I had nobody else to talk to so I talked to him about everything. After every session, it would be about ten minutes where he’d disappear from the room before I was sent home. I didn’t know that was where he’d talk to my dad about everything so my dad could build a friendship and paint me in bad light and unholy. Fast forward a couple years later, and my dad abandoned me then didn’t let me live at his house no more at 13 because he thought I was possessed. I requested the records from the counselor from my new home, but he didn’t send all of them, and the ones he sent had fake information about how good I was doing and how happy I was (?). I was sad because my dad got my birthday wrong on every document. When my new therapist needed the name of the old counselor, she couldn’t even find him. It’s all a scam, but hyper-religious folks don’t care cause a “counselor” that has god is 100x better than a real therapist that doesn’t.
Even though I'm not part of the LGBTQ-community (I hope I'm not offending anyone by typing it out like that - I genuinely don't know what the proper term is), I love this episode. It's so good at what it does, and it's nice to see Butters be the hero once in a while.
Based on the respect evident in your comment, I would humbly like to suggest that you are part of the LGBTQ community. You are what we call an "ally" and we are really happy to have you as part of our community 🙂
Proper therapy is so nice, I spent way to much of my life caring more about how others felt and not caring about how I felt I was making myself so miserable without even realizing it because being in a constant state of mild depression was just what I viewed as "normal" for the longest time. I spent the better part of 30 years thinking "I am a straight man who just happens to have both quirky bicurious fantasies and fantasies of transitioning" before eventually the coping mechanisms I was using without even realizing I was using coping mechanisms started to not work as well and the dysphoria was getting to a state that I recognized it as being dangerous because it went from being something like once a month or so having the desire to transition, to then being once a month or so the need to transition, to eventually a point where waking up every morning for weeks straight I was having the thoughts "How can I safely have an 'accident' in order to become who I need to become without the shame and humiliation of 'choosing' to transition" and while I never planed to act on my thoughts, those thoughts of self harm are not that far off of how someone who isn't actively suicidal can have similar thoughts (though with very different outcomes) for years not planning to act on them and then at some point the going from not planning to act on them to fully acting on them can be in as little as 5 minutes. At that point I had realized that I had spent my entire life lying to myself and that "No I am not a straight man with weird fantasies, I am a bisexual woman who has spent my whole life lying to myself just in order to keep other people comfortable". Realizing that I decided to reach out to find resources and a therapist, and now that I am caring about my mental health it has greatly improved my physical and emotional health as well, I am starting to be who I need to be, I am happier than I have ever been, and I have been slowly but surely getting in a better physical health now that I actually want to go do things, I want to go be social, I want to go on hikes or what not. That 30 years I spent so worried about how others would feel I ignored how I felt, but now that I actually care about myself my friends and the small part of my family that matters are super supportive because they are happy to see me actually happy... Really the only people that don't know yet are my parents and that is mainly because they buy into anything Fox News sells them and so yeah that is one conversation I am pushing off until I can't keep pushing it off, and the only person who has not been immediately supportive was my wife, for understandable reasons me choosing to care about my health over other peoples opinions and choose to transition does directly effect her too, but as she has seen me be able to be more and more happy she has slowly become slightly more supportive though I doubt she will ever be truly supportive. But yeah proper therapy greatly improved my life. Sure is it a bit awkward having mostly socially transitioned and having started on hormones while still having a few places I have not socially transitioned yet like at work? Yeah of course, but I am infinitely happier, I am a ton healthier and I actually care about things now where I would have been lying if I said that before accepting who I am and starting therapy to learn more about myself.
Yeah, there was no doubt. I never saw him as bi-curious, more that he was bisexual. The thing that is interesting is how Stephen reacts. His reaction is more akin to his fear of being outed. First, he minimizes it to something society, as he was growing up, would see as less taboo. Next, he turns to religion for guidance (which is hilarious because Father Maxi himself has had sex with other men while trying to convert them.) and casts the gay away. In this case, Butters is the personification of his own internal conflict about his bisexuality.
I don’t think you’ve done it so if I am wrong I’d be glad to watch it. Have you discussed how ABA therapy is the same as conversion therapy but for autistic kids? Plus here in South Australia it’s still seen as best practice for many autism “experts” despite the evidence showing it just leads to 60% increase in likelihood of PTSD and many other terrible outcomes from this practice founded by the same guy as conversion therapy.
Autism can be detrimental to everyday life because it actively impairs social relationships (which as humans, we depend on to function in many ways). Homosexuality doesn't, it is just a sexuality. Nothing more nor less
Question about projection. I had a relationship where the partner had experience with abusive partners. I wasn't abusive, always had to be conscious of what i say and how i say it to not trigger the person. But regardless, at the slightest sign of a disagreement, the person would run away and shun me as if i was about to explode and get physical or vicious. And i got to say... situations i wouldn't have cared about in the least made me feel agressive all the time because i was treated like a criminal in spite of consideration. and at some point i felt like : "You know, if you're gonna act like i am a dick in spite of no evidence of it between us, why do i even bother? I might as well just be one, at least i won't be walking on eggshells too." Is that a result of projection? Or is it rather a self fullfilling prophecy?
Hey, I'm not Dr Elliott (obviously) but I am a psych and figured I might be able to help answer your question. I would say that (based entirely on your account of the scenario) it does sound like your former partner was likely experiencing some projection. In a healthy relationship, people should be able to voice their discontent (in a non-antagonistic way) without fear of their partner either lashing out at them (fight response) or shutting down, withdrawing, or running away from them (flight response). Though we should, of course, always attempt to respect people's feelings and personal history. It's essential we also recognise our own boundaries and feel comfortable in our relationships (romantic or otherwise) if we want those relationships (and our minds) to remain healthy. It's also worth considering that a lot of people who have really only experienced intimacy through an abusive lens, tend to only understand intimacy through that lens (after all, it's what they've been taught). So, they may not have the means to engage constructively, or be able to be in a healthy relationship at all, until they get help. In short: Yes, it sounds like projection, and yes, it sounds like a (perhaps unwitting) self-fulfilling prophecy. The two are not always distinct. If people aren't able to handle a completely civil disagreement, and you feel you're becoming increasingly emotionally volatile in the process, it's better to let them go, for everyone involved. Hope you're in a better place now.
I like that this episode not only shows how abusive religious institutions are on lgbtq kids, but that Butters is only there because he doesn't know what things are. It's easy to forget that the characters are children, and then there's Butters, who is probably the most realistic child the show has ever portrayed.
Actually, you kind of forgot the arc about Tweek and Craig, which turned out to be a gay couple after the "Tweek X Craig" and "Put It Down" episodes from separate seasons. As well as their appearance in the 'Fractured But Whole' game. So the representation issue has matured and gotten better.
People really do overlook how sweet South Park can be sometimes. Many episodes give a very insightful message about a serious topic while still being raunchy and “politically incorrect.” Trey Parker and Matt Stone are so so talented.
This reminded me of the time I, an American Midwestern kid growing up in the 2000s, was around 9 yo watching an old school Dracula movie with my parents. There was this character that was obviously designed to be a gay stereotype. I wanted to ask my parents why he was behaving that way but didn't fully get my point across being a kid trying to ask it cautiously. My dad got choked up and awkwardly tried to explain the man was gay. However, this isn't what i actually wanted to know. As a literal child I ACTUALLY wanted to know why the man was being so obvious about it because it seemed almost instinctual to me that being that openly gay (in the times of the movie, but also just in general) was NOT a safe thing to be doing. I was genuinely concerned for the safety of this fictional gay man. HOWEVER, based on the clear discomfort created from my previous question, I elected to just not ask my real question because i could tell that everyone (including myself) was already uncomfortable.
At the time I had no conscious idea that I myself was queer (using as a personal umbrella term, though I know some still see it as a slur) and wouldn't realize it until my early to mid-teens. Looking back it seems like it should have been pretty obvious due to many, non-stereotypical examples though
i love southpark but i totally forgot about this episode! it reminds me of bree and andrew's story line in season 1 of desperate housewives. anyone else? at the time i had no idea camps like that actually existed. so effed up.
My favorite thing about South Park is that the creators don’t pick a political side of the fence. They mock everything and most often praise human decency. For the most part, their LGBT stuff is sprinkled with a heavy dose of cynicism and childish antics, but comes from a place of caring. To me, that really matters
I really think you would enjoy reacting to the series Feel Good. The way it deals with queer relationship dynamics, addiction, and trauma personally changed my worldview, and I think it’s done incredibly well. Love your perspective on media and would be interested to see it on such a great program.
I would really love to see you break down the youtube animation by HotDiggedyDemon “Brain Dump, Dream Drama Explained!” The title is a little misleading obviously lol, but I think it would be really interesting to see your perspective on it.
I really love this episode! It so realistic in showing the hypocracy and bigotery and so wholesome when Butters stands up for his friend and himself. Could you make a video on "The F Word" episode from Southpark? It would be really intresting to hear a professionals opinion on this!😊
I think Butters said it best at the end, God made us all and God don't make junk...if I may paraphrase. If you're looking for movies with a psychological bend I'd look at "A Monster Calls". It's heartbreaking but I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
this is one of my favourite episodes and favourite butters moments. when he snaps, clears the entire library (or something, im not hip) i would looove a video on But I'm A Cheerleader 😊😊
hey man, LUV from Canada 🇨🇦.. thanks to you. You are truly doing The Lord's Work. haha I was struggling in the 1980's in rural - no internet - farmers - land for years. Thankfully there was no conversion therapy in my home town at that time. I doubt anyone had even heard of it. If a kid was Queer, that just meant he was "different"
Love this episode and besides the obvious south park humor the ending has the best joke. Once again Butters has terrible parents as they make a call back to Mr. Scotch cheating on his wife with men an being caught by Butters. You would think Mr. Scotch would have more compassion instead he did the exact opposite an sent him to this "camp".
While conversion practices are still around in the UK, it is to a very small degree and they are trying to ban them fully so it's not like the UK government is doing nothing or turning a blind eye to it.
But it’s not like it’s a main topic to ban them all immediately and they should have been banned decades ago given what we know about how harmful they are.
"Normal": I wonder how many straight people actually qualify as such, let alone judge other heterosexuals as normal? Most, if not all, human beings - consciously and/or unconsciously so - define the boundaries of "normality" for themselves, on top of which "social-norms laws" have legally broadened and/or narrowed the definition of the word, imo... Psycho-emotionally, my own reaction (at the end of my teenage-long, internal struggle) was in some ways like Butters' at the end: I got angry - but I was also frightened. I knew I was/am gay, but I was afraid of "their/everyone's" reaction to my coming-out. I knew that liking/enjoying men, especially sexually, was something to have to hide (yes, one learns that even in grade school), yet never felt ashamed of the fact that I did, that I masturbated over sexual fantasies about having sex with men during my teenage years and enjoying physical sex with them since then - on the contrary. I did, however, feel ashamed about telling/sharing it with others, especially my family. Since then, I've become more solid and open, while still remaining wary... "Pray the gay away", "Conversion therapy", "Being gay/straight is a choice", etc. is idiotic BS, in my considered opinion. How many people get psycho-emotionally hurt by/through/as a result of such fallacious "fancies"? - and I'm talking about all directly and indirectly involved... Thanks for this your reaction!
I'm just going to observe for posterity that the phrase "variable accuracy" was _not_ attached to the clip of Kanye West admitting he's a gay fish. You heard it here. Unwavering accuracy on the Kanye gay fish front.
4:17 "As always, on this channel we are curious." That must mean I'm bi-curious, too. 😃 9:21 INSULIN COMA THERAPY! Oh god. That's got to be harmful. Why isn't everyone taught that this is what used to be done to persecute gay people? The consequences of homophobia are DANGEROUS.
Best thing about South Park is that they can really tell a story that can be extremely preachy, educational and finger-pointing, in a way that doesn't make people to just immediately close their ears and minds, like they'd do if it would be coming from a professional/educational video. The worst thing about South Park is that they are sometimes dead wrong, yet they are so good at making these profound videos, that even when they are wrong, it can make people think they are right. Most notoriously the South Park creators were extremely anti-global warming before they, thank GoT, saw the light and came to their senses and publicly backpedaled on that. The Al Gore and Man-Bear-Pig saga is all about that This is a bit left field, but since I also just watched your South Park video on _Dissociative identity disorder_ I have a suggestion of a great episode from the best written sci-fi series Babylon 5, that I'd love to recommend for you to watch/react to, the episode is from S3 the Episode 4 "Passing Through Gethsemane". It stars a cameo from Brad Dourif (Chucky Doll, Wormtongue) as Brother Edward Brother Edward comes to the station as a monk who is just a part of a monastery order seeking the best place to exercise their faith in good actions, and he is the most kind and loved brother of them all, but soon starts hearing and seeing visions of horrible things, that start to destabilize his personality and make him question himself and his faith. What only the head of the order knows, is that Edward is a former serial killer who has been sentenced to death of personality aka brainwipe and "repurposed" as a servile kind monk, as a more "humane" and productive alternative to execution. These visions are actually intentionally shown to him to trigger his real and suppressed personality to come back by the brother of one of his victims who thinks Edwards got away too easily, since he was never made to suffer for his sins, since he didn't know what he had done. So he tries to forcibly revive the serial killer, so he could take his revenge on him, and he would know why he did it. This is a really clever setup, and there are a lot of really cool developments especially inside the personality of Brother Edwards, that I won't spoil any more than I already have, that I think are well worth reacting to.
Worrying about someone else's sexuality so much that you feel the need to literally make their existence illegal is such a weird thing to me. That some people think they have the right to shove their way into everyone else's life and demand that everyone conforms to what they like is absolutely ludicrous. I've seen so much anti-LGBTQ+ nonsense lately, and it sickens me that we are still dealing with this.
How about on the flip side, telling everyone who you like to F is none of anyone's business. Dressing up like sequel deviants for a month and showing off who you want to f is no better
@@BlazeBuds Except that it is completely normal. Have you never seen a show where 2 characters have children? be it for kids or for adults. Have you never seen people go "i'd hit that" or ever heard of the phrase cat-calling? It is completely normal to voice one's sexuality, what you don't like is that it isn't the same sexuality as yours.
@@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 If any of them are reading this, then I'm saying it to them too. I don't care what religion someone hides their bigotry behind, it is still wrong.
I love how accurate this episode is. To be honest I don’t like being gay, and I have tried “changing” so much but it’s just not how my brain is wired 🤷♂️
Thank you for reacting to this! This episode was one of the first things i saw about conversion therapy, and what I think it does well is illustrate the absurdity of it. It obviously doesn't go that deep into the details of those practices, and I think you added a lot of valuable explanations and expanded on the many things that weren't covered in the episode.
Ah, yes, the homophobia. Everything is sexist, racist, homophobe. Always the same words in the same line... Weird, isnt it? Quick question: is there anything politically you are disagreeing with that you dont label with buzzwords?
What I find funny about this is that the Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. What it condemns is any sexual act that doesn’t result in pregnancy. Birth control, condoms, blowjobs, and anal. I went to a church for years that actively studied and debated the word’s rather than one man preaching his interpretation, which is what the Bible says you should do, and half the church still couldn’t wrap their minds around that fact.
Any sexual act that is outside of marriage and with intent of not ending in pregnancy. It's fine to have sex and not get pregnant, but it's not ok to pull out, for example. But yes, you're right, it's not the urge, but the sex that's condemned.
So if a married straight couple had sex and one of them is infertile(and they know it)...it would make it "illegal" to the bible? Intresting...I guess that Henry VIII makes sense now🤔
I find it interesting how people see things so different. Im not gay but my gay friends call me gay every day!!! In the way they used it in high school. As in Me - "I need to go pick up the wife". My gay buddies response "That's GAYYYY" My one gay buddy loved a stand up comic and he copied a line. How can you explain a fanny pack? Its just gay... i guess for some people its harmful. If 10 out of 100 people are offended i think its democracy at that point on whats wright and wrong.
I got myself some gay friends after school so I didn't really take part in the "that's so gay" mentality but now I got some catching up to do, but instead I mock them by going "that's so straight" instead they find it funny
I heard that some are pushing it as illegal for adults too, which imo it does violate freedom of speech. I always supported that people should be able to do whatever they want if it doesn't harm others, be it hard drugs or harmful psychological treatment.
@@rompevuevitos222why would you support that? That makes no sense. Having conversion therapy legal in anyway is simply homophobic, there's no justification for it.
I work with a bunch of 30 and 40 somethings and even amongst them it's totally normal to interchange bad, unfortunate, unlucky, shitty etc. with "gay" and when I try to discourage it, I'm being PC. I don't get it. It's not being PC, it doesnt hurt a person at all to NOT replace "bad" with "gay" so like... just don't be an asshole?
Whats great about this episode is the hypocrisy of Butter's dad. Earlier in the series he was caught engaging in relations with guys at a bathhouse behind his wife's back. So he was definetly at least bi-curious and had gay experiences when he caught butters and cartman.
He says to Butters at the end of this episode that he's bicurious too and then Butters says "now I am confused"
No cap his dad is basically clay puppington fr. Abusive to his son and in denial of his bisexuality.
@@justjoshua5759 Yeah Butters has the absolute worst parents on the show
Edit: and grandmother :(
The most recent episode, Dikinbaus, confirms he's still having sex with men lol
Precisely mate.
Butters is just too pure for the world he lives in
I know someone who was forced into conversion therapy when I was a teen. He was literally tortured (sleep deprived, had electrodes used on his genitals, made to vomit, etc). He tried to end his life when he got home. I knew something similar to that would happen to me if I came out, so I never did (and still haven't to many people for a multitude of reasons, despite being in my mid-30's). I grew up in a very religious, bigoted, and hypocritical family/community. They still practice conversion therapy today, only it's branded as "therapy sessions" with the church leaders. It is horrendous and breaks my heart.
Did you come out eventually?
Anyone can call anything they want anything they want. Someone abducting and torturing a person for being gay and then calling it "conversion therapy" doesn't make it actual conversion therapy. It's just torture. Not all Muslims are terrorists, Not all Christian conversion therapy situations are literal torture. The difference is not just "branding", it's the actual practices. Torture isn't therapy, anyone who says that it is is just lying, and not all conversion therapy is torture, some is actually therapy.
It's an insane level of bigotry to assume that what some evil people did, while claiming to be doing good, means you can no longer trust good people who are actually doing good. It's not rational either.
@Vicente Torres alias Vits I've come out to friends, but no one in my family or that community. They've always suspected, though. I've only spoken to them twice in nearly 7 years after an unexpected death. Except my nieces, nephews, and nibblings. I've always kept in contact with them. My family said anyone who came out in my family would no longer be allowed near the children because they would "poison" them. By then, I had several kids in my family disclose to me that they were queer and/or trans because I was at least vocal about hating my family's bigotry, even if I wasn't out myself. I stayed silent so I could be there to be the supportive person in the kids' (many of whom are adults now) lives that I never had.
@ContentiousCritic You can not change a person's sexual orientation or gender identity. Studies have proven that. Encouraging someone to "change" their sexual orientation or gender identity under the guise of therapy is still reprehensible. And it isn't legitimate therapy at that. It's actively harmful. It may not be physical torture, but it can be tantamount to emotional torture.
Both practices are unacceptable. If you're ignoring studies that say your "talk therapy" will increase the risk of someone ending their life, cause immense emotional distress, and absolutely will not work, sorry, you are not a good person. Period. If you know your "counseling" will lead to harm and you do it anyway, you're complicit in the harm it causes.
@@mandipandi303 I'm so sorry. Although, based on all the details you mentioned, I guess this was the best possible outcome. Still, I hope things get better for you and those children.
Knew a lesbian who didn't realize she was a lesbian because she was so religious. She just thought she was killing it at not lusting after guys.
Editing to add: I met her after she realized she was a lesbian. She said it was a crazy lightbulb moment when she realized why she didn't struggle with impure thoughts like her friends.
TFW you have impure thoughts but aren't struggling about 'em at all.
This is the plot of But I’m a Cheerleader lmfao
“Whenever i feel tempted i just think of my Sunday school abott… wait”
Kinda like me althrough I'm asexual, I though I was a pro at not lusting after people lol
same
I will say, as someone who was sent to a pray the gay away camp after I was outed when I was 11/12, conversion therapy only confirmed I am in fact a lesbian. Like, isolating me with a group of 15-20 girls around my age, with 99% of us being super rebellious and having zero respect for the staff just meant we all formed this weird solidarity with each other and learned to just say what they wanted so we could leave. Like, it’s hard to shame and guilt someone when the person you’re victimizing thinks you’re an idiot and has no value in your opinion, and we all just formed our groups and helped each other deal with things.
Like, I know my experience was an outlier, I’m very very lucky that I got sent to the place I did and not somewhere worse. I just look back at my experience and laugh at how I had my sexuality more solidified while in a place that was supposed to make me repress it. Like, I’m sure our Pastor didn’t think he was just making us accept our sexuality more while he ranted about god hating gays for hours on end
Hope you came back with a girlfriend
@@Maverick_Mad_Moiselle I left with my first kiss but unfortunately I didn’t meet my fiancé until 3 years ago
20 GIRLS!??!? What were they trying to do, start a crappy lesbian p-video????
That's the thing why I have never believed in shaming, at least in case of adults because you can't shame someone who doesn't feel he/she is doing something shameful.
"Too many gay people actually believe they're happy." Wow. That was a quote not only explicitly said, but included in an article? And no one realized that it means "...but I know whether someone is happy or not better than they do, and they shouldn't believe they're happy"? Damn.
You have to put things into context, women with anorexia might think they're happy being nearly 100lb under weight, but it takes outside intervention to help them, no different than alcoholic or anyone with substance abuse, gambling addicts and people with an identity that revolves around entertainment, sex addicts... all of these people will swear up and down that they are "happy" when they're doing something that others can see is counter productive to their own lives and those around them. Suggesting that simply "being happy" is the end all argument is insane. Child predators are most "happy" when preying on small children. That obviously doesn't make it right... how "happy" or "comfortable" someone is shouldn't be the metric in which society deems something morally right or wrong.
All of the problematic scenarios listed above will have people who are absolutely miserable outside of their self afflicted comfort zones, and if you want a far less extreme example, just look at people with eating disorders (fat people...). Take them to the gym or on a run, they will be absolutely miserable and the most uncomfortable in their lives. They would much rather be at home, on the couch, eating a greasy pizza. Again... happy doesn't = right.
When you place the proper context onto homosexuals and transgender people, you can see very visible patterns of suicide, depression, sexual addiction and other addictions being chased after to mask the depression, not to mention diseases more prone to be spread through gay sex which people love to ignore and pretend doesn't exist as not to offend anyone's lifestyle... despite the fact that people literally die from this.
In short, simply using what makes someone "happy" as a metric for anything, is really, really stupid. Life is about conditioning yourself to things that net objectively good results, not subjectively good results like a relative feeling of comfort at any given time.
@@riptor4532 what was the overall point of your comment I read it a few times. Seems pretty problematic for the channel you are on... may want to reconsider as it can read like you are being homophobic.
@@riptor4532 Wow what a bigot.
Have you ever thought that LGBTQ people have those issues because of the way society treats them?
Comparing them to people who suffer from anorexia is to quote you "really, really stupid".
There are plenty of LGBTQ people who are happy and guess what? They tend to have people around them who are loving and supporting of them and live in a society that loves and supports them.
@@riptor4532 "Child predators are most "happy" when preying on small children. That obviously doesn't make it right..."
Yes because they are hurting someone who is young and vulnerable.
That is different than two gay adults consenting to have sex.
@@Benpg93 He IS being homophobic. That is likely his intention.
Highly recommend the episode “Cripple Fight”! There’s a whole plot about the parents not wanting Big Gay Al to be the scout leader because they don’t trust a homosexual to be around their kids. Some hilarious moments and twists in that episode lol
That would be the perfect episode for him to react to.
............so..........what we learned from that episode was that closeted gay men are monsters....the flamboyant ones are just annoying
The best monolog of the whole episode comes from the Big Gay AL himself right at the end and people should learn from that more than anything else in the episode combined.
I love that Bradley is saved by Butters essentially giving voice to another perspective and way of dealing with other people’s intolerence. Bradley feels seen and accepted which breaks through all the painful shame and allows him to see another way out.
Very therapy-like.
My mother had a friend who loved me when I was a little baby, they worked at the mall together. he was sent to conversion camp when he was young and it destroyed his life so much that he later on killed himself. Watching this episode and seeing that child hanging hits really, really hard. These camps are an actual nightmare
You saying you wasted time while, “Prioritizing other people’s comfort over my own happiness” really touched me. I unfortunately have done the same…
The fact they assigned Ryan to Butters shows they are completely clueless when it comes to understanding how any of those kids were feeling or what they were going through.
This is 100% Butters' *best* moment of the series, as he dresses down the adults for their treatment of all the campers, and in doing so manages to pull Bradley off the literal ledge. And all while having *no* idea what was actually going on!
And with the adults' reactions to Bradley coming off the ledge, I know one person who had successfully battled cancer give virtually no credit to the Doctors for the successful treatment, which always rubbed me the wrong way.
Everything is projected onto Butters here. His father projects his own confusion onto Butters, butters has no defined sexuality yet, he's still a kid, and is oblivious the whole episode.
My parents tried to send me to one of these camps. I was still living at home at 19 while going to college
I’m just glad I was old enough and self aware enough to refuse. I ended up being kicked out onto the street for it, but still think that’s better than the torture these places do to people
I hope you’re doing ok brother. World is filled with shitty peoples.
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Thanks. This was over 20 years ago now. I’m fine
I really appreciated this video. I don’t actually watch South Park, and I think this episode in particular would have actually been triggering for me. I am a survivor of conversion therapy, having gone through it twice. I’m going to share this video as I continue in whatever way as I can to see this horrible practice expunged from our country. And our world.
In Sweden when gay was lableled as sickness people used to troll and try to take sick days for feeling gay.
This is one of my favourite episodes, tied with the Tourettes one. For me, this is peak South Park satire - using over-the-top stereotypes and dead kid jokes to make a really genuine and empathetic point about how we treat our fellow man. They don't always hit the mark, especially with some of their trans commentary (aside from The Cissy which I find to be another surprisingly empathetic episode), but this episode is spot on and I wouldn't change a thing about it.
I’d rewatch that episode because it wasn’t transphobic imo. I think they were using Heather to illustrate a point about how a lot of the hate is from sexist men and to make fun of the stereotype of trans women rather than saying “we genuinely believe trans athletes are like this.” Especially with the episode b plot of the girls and board games.
I think the only part of the episode that had any sort of criticism was them saying the issue when it relates to sports isn’t black and white and needs to be discussed. Like the scene with PC Principal when he tries to delicately explain it.
And I think that’s why the rest of the episode and the b plot was used to highlight how while it is a fair point to bring up biological sex rather than just gender identity in the realm of athletics, they recognized how a majority of the voices speaking out care more about hating on trans people in all walks of life rather than just wanting to discuss that one issue in particular.
Butters isn't bi-curious. Real ones know he's bike-curious.
Early South Park “In the closet” Mr Garrison was one of the funniest characters! 😂
I have a lot of issues with south park but the joke of the counselor bringing Butters to his accountabilibuddy only to cut to the kid hanging in his room has stayed in my head rent free
"I have a lot of issues with South Park" 🚩🚩🚩
@@kevlandon saying that without hearing the reasons is an even bigger red flag
When I was a kid, and the dumb kids called me gay, my usual response was "No, sorry." That drove 'em up the wall.
The initial accusations remind me of my childhood . There was gossip about me in my first year of jr high. Eventually I overheard girls from school, talking on the city bus saying I was a prostitute. The other one said “she looks so innocent “. I remember wondering what “prostitute” meant. I was innocent. I didn’t even know what they were talking about.
I looked it up in the dictionary but I didn’t understand that either. I almost asked my Art teacher in first period the following monday. I never told anybody though. Now that I think back, that’s a weird rumor.
This episode has always been hard for me to watch as a queer person - because I know how real the abuse is in places like these conversion camps.
Kids actually take their own lives because of them. Happy to see your analysis on it.
I think you could see 5 kids do it in that episode...
At the end of the Episode where he stood at the edge saying "I am not normal, I'll never be normal!"... that really hits different when you stood there yourselfe.
I did not want to go to the Camp I signed up for to please my parents wishes. In front of the bus I denied to go. The leador orderd 6 of my bullys to grab me and push me in. I resisted. He stopped before people get hurt. He promised me even tho it was not allowed I could use my Phone wich I confessed I smuggled with me, if it becomes to much to handle at the Camp. As we arrived he and the bullys stood in front of my tend and gave me 5 minutes to give my phone or they take it by force and tie me to the stake. At that moment I was a Prisoner and even tho I gave my Phone they did it anyways. They always beat me in school and they continued at camp. They were task to wake people... guess where and how I woke up. They draged me through camp with a Noos around my neck connected to my hands tied in front. They draged me over the dirt in nothing but my underwear. The Leader is dead to me as are the bullys if I remember their faces or names. (I dont know why I have trouble with names, faces and dates in general but that makes it more difficult. Actually im glad I dont remember)
I was at a "normal" camp but the people there treated me poorly and I kind of surpressed it till I was 25 and now I know why I cant enjoy my holydays when in a crowded place or people walk behind me. Or why I try to be complient to everything or try to be "unhealthy" friends with anyone. I mean fu*k I helped a coworker who isnt particularly nice but probably had no other options left than to ask me since Im trying to be nice to help him move his stuff and I did. Back in the day I thought that being tied up and beaten doesnt harm me because its just a few scratches. There are Adults there. Not like they could do actual violence since I thought I could take it without a scrach besides the bodily ones wich where minor... (a bloody nose at max. No intent to incapabilitate me or kill me in the long term because i would have fought for my life with all I have. I draw the line there. (wich is to late honestly)) But unknowingly at the time the mental impact of the punches chipped away my resolve, the feeling of being bound to do nothing against anything from the ropes stayed, the existential crisis while life disassembles my body, the knife attack from a random drunk guy. Everything hit at once and i could not handle it. All i wished for was to.. bury me and be forgotten. (Citisen Soldier, TJ_Beastboy(taddl), Jay Jiggy, Curse, my best friend and a lot more rally saved my life)
I didnt realise Im gay till I was 18/19.
Children are monster and people who throw trash out of their car too. What has become of human decency?
Conversion Therapy makes me sick. So glad we are learning better. Glad to have you out here educating people.
My dad was a pastor and when I was ten I started seeing a “counselor” at this private religious institute that was an hour away from home. I saw him for about three and a half years once a month, then once every other week, then once a week. I didn’t trust him but I had nobody else to talk to so I talked to him about everything. After every session, it would be about ten minutes where he’d disappear from the room before I was sent home. I didn’t know that was where he’d talk to my dad about everything so my dad could build a friendship and paint me in bad light and unholy.
Fast forward a couple years later, and my dad abandoned me then didn’t let me live at his house no more at 13 because he thought I was possessed. I requested the records from the counselor from my new home, but he didn’t send all of them, and the ones he sent had fake information about how good I was doing and how happy I was (?). I was sad because my dad got my birthday wrong on every document. When my new therapist needed the name of the old counselor, she couldn’t even find him. It’s all a scam, but hyper-religious folks don’t care cause a “counselor” that has god is 100x better than a real therapist that doesn’t.
Even though I'm not part of the LGBTQ-community (I hope I'm not offending anyone by typing it out like that - I genuinely don't know what the proper term is), I love this episode. It's so good at what it does, and it's nice to see Butters be the hero once in a while.
I think you forgot the P for Pedos
You did perfectly fine don't worry. Did you also watch his very own episode? The ending was hilarious "confess you liar, CONFESS!" 😂
Based on the respect evident in your comment, I would humbly like to suggest that you are part of the LGBTQ community. You are what we call an "ally" and we are really happy to have you as part of our community 🙂
@@numbone bro shut up
Judging by your comment, you are what we would call an ally to the queer community. We appreciate you :)
Proper therapy is so nice, I spent way to much of my life caring more about how others felt and not caring about how I felt I was making myself so miserable without even realizing it because being in a constant state of mild depression was just what I viewed as "normal" for the longest time. I spent the better part of 30 years thinking "I am a straight man who just happens to have both quirky bicurious fantasies and fantasies of transitioning" before eventually the coping mechanisms I was using without even realizing I was using coping mechanisms started to not work as well and the dysphoria was getting to a state that I recognized it as being dangerous because it went from being something like once a month or so having the desire to transition, to then being once a month or so the need to transition, to eventually a point where waking up every morning for weeks straight I was having the thoughts "How can I safely have an 'accident' in order to become who I need to become without the shame and humiliation of 'choosing' to transition" and while I never planed to act on my thoughts, those thoughts of self harm are not that far off of how someone who isn't actively suicidal can have similar thoughts (though with very different outcomes) for years not planning to act on them and then at some point the going from not planning to act on them to fully acting on them can be in as little as 5 minutes. At that point I had realized that I had spent my entire life lying to myself and that "No I am not a straight man with weird fantasies, I am a bisexual woman who has spent my whole life lying to myself just in order to keep other people comfortable". Realizing that I decided to reach out to find resources and a therapist, and now that I am caring about my mental health it has greatly improved my physical and emotional health as well, I am starting to be who I need to be, I am happier than I have ever been, and I have been slowly but surely getting in a better physical health now that I actually want to go do things, I want to go be social, I want to go on hikes or what not. That 30 years I spent so worried about how others would feel I ignored how I felt, but now that I actually care about myself my friends and the small part of my family that matters are super supportive because they are happy to see me actually happy... Really the only people that don't know yet are my parents and that is mainly because they buy into anything Fox News sells them and so yeah that is one conversation I am pushing off until I can't keep pushing it off, and the only person who has not been immediately supportive was my wife, for understandable reasons me choosing to care about my health over other peoples opinions and choose to transition does directly effect her too, but as she has seen me be able to be more and more happy she has slowly become slightly more supportive though I doubt she will ever be truly supportive.
But yeah proper therapy greatly improved my life. Sure is it a bit awkward having mostly socially transitioned and having started on hormones while still having a few places I have not socially transitioned yet like at work? Yeah of course, but I am infinitely happier, I am a ton healthier and I actually care about things now where I would have been lying if I said that before accepting who I am and starting therapy to learn more about myself.
There's also "Kidnapped for Christ" which is a documentary about conversion or "troubled teen" camps
Yeah, there was no doubt. I never saw him as bi-curious, more that he was bisexual.
The thing that is interesting is how Stephen reacts. His reaction is more akin to his fear of being outed. First, he minimizes it to something society, as he was growing up, would see as less taboo.
Next, he turns to religion for guidance (which is hilarious because Father Maxi himself has had sex with other men while trying to convert them.) and casts the gay away. In this case, Butters is the personification of his own internal conflict about his bisexuality.
I don’t think you’ve done it so if I am wrong I’d be glad to watch it. Have you discussed how ABA therapy is the same as conversion therapy but for autistic kids? Plus here in South Australia it’s still seen as best practice for many autism “experts” despite the evidence showing it just leads to 60% increase in likelihood of PTSD and many other terrible outcomes from this practice founded by the same guy as conversion therapy.
Autism can be detrimental to everyday life because it actively impairs social relationships (which as humans, we depend on to function in many ways). Homosexuality doesn't, it is just a sexuality. Nothing more nor less
Massively supporting this comment. Underrated^
You have to do one on The Cissy, Tweek x Craig and Put It Down now!
Two of my favorites out of the later seasons.
And board girls
NOW, NOW NOW👹👹👹👹👺👺👺👺
Question about projection.
I had a relationship where the partner had experience with abusive partners. I wasn't abusive, always had to be conscious of what i say and how i say it to not trigger the person. But regardless, at the slightest sign of a disagreement, the person would run away and shun me as if i was about to explode and get physical or vicious. And i got to say... situations i wouldn't have cared about in the least made me feel agressive all the time because i was treated like a criminal in spite of consideration. and at some point i felt like : "You know, if you're gonna act like i am a dick in spite of no evidence of it between us, why do i even bother? I might as well just be one, at least i won't be walking on eggshells too."
Is that a result of projection? Or is it rather a self fullfilling prophecy?
Hey, I'm not Dr Elliott (obviously) but I am a psych and figured I might be able to help answer your question.
I would say that (based entirely on your account of the scenario) it does sound like your former partner was likely experiencing some projection. In a healthy relationship, people should be able to voice their discontent (in a non-antagonistic way) without fear of their partner either lashing out at them (fight response) or shutting down, withdrawing, or running away from them (flight response).
Though we should, of course, always attempt to respect people's feelings and personal history. It's essential we also recognise our own boundaries and feel comfortable in our relationships (romantic or otherwise) if we want those relationships (and our minds) to remain healthy.
It's also worth considering that a lot of people who have really only experienced intimacy through an abusive lens, tend to only understand intimacy through that lens (after all, it's what they've been taught). So, they may not have the means to engage constructively, or be able to be in a healthy relationship at all, until they get help.
In short: Yes, it sounds like projection, and yes, it sounds like a (perhaps unwitting) self-fulfilling prophecy. The two are not always distinct. If people aren't able to handle a completely civil disagreement, and you feel you're becoming increasingly emotionally volatile in the process, it's better to let them go, for everyone involved.
Hope you're in a better place now.
I like that this episode not only shows how abusive religious institutions are on lgbtq kids, but that Butters is only there because he doesn't know what things are. It's easy to forget that the characters are children, and then there's Butters, who is probably the most realistic child the show has ever portrayed.
Butters dad had secret sexual encounters with men. Don't know why he's judging butters.
Projection?
Because Chris/Steven is one of the worst parents in South Park?
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"I`m going to shit yourself"
(HEAVY METAL ITENSIFIES)
the crazy part is this episode came out in 2007... that was 16 years ago!!!!
Actually, you kind of forgot the arc about Tweek and Craig, which turned out to be a gay couple after the "Tweek X Craig" and "Put It Down" episodes from separate seasons. As well as their appearance in the 'Fractured But Whole' game. So the representation issue has matured and gotten better.
People really do overlook how sweet South Park can be sometimes. Many episodes give a very insightful message about a serious topic while still being raunchy and “politically incorrect.” Trey Parker and Matt Stone are so so talented.
I had to say, "Well that's me!" after your Butter's intro.
This reminded me of the time I, an American Midwestern kid growing up in the 2000s, was around 9 yo watching an old school Dracula movie with my parents. There was this character that was obviously designed to be a gay stereotype. I wanted to ask my parents why he was behaving that way but didn't fully get my point across being a kid trying to ask it cautiously. My dad got choked up and awkwardly tried to explain the man was gay. However, this isn't what i actually wanted to know. As a literal child I ACTUALLY wanted to know why the man was being so obvious about it because it seemed almost instinctual to me that being that openly gay (in the times of the movie, but also just in general) was NOT a safe thing to be doing. I was genuinely concerned for the safety of this fictional gay man.
HOWEVER, based on the clear discomfort created from my previous question, I elected to just not ask my real question because i could tell that everyone (including myself) was already uncomfortable.
At the time I had no conscious idea that I myself was queer (using as a personal umbrella term, though I know some still see it as a slur) and wouldn't realize it until my early to mid-teens.
Looking back it seems like it should have been pretty obvious due to many, non-stereotypical examples though
i love southpark but i totally forgot about this episode! it reminds me of bree and andrew's story line in season 1 of desperate housewives. anyone else? at the time i had no idea camps like that actually existed. so effed up.
My favorite thing about South Park is that the creators don’t pick a political side of the fence. They mock everything and most often praise human decency. For the most part, their LGBT stuff is sprinkled with a heavy dose of cynicism and childish antics, but comes from a place of caring. To me, that really matters
I really think you would enjoy reacting to the series Feel Good. The way it deals with queer relationship dynamics, addiction, and trauma personally changed my worldview, and I think it’s done incredibly well. Love your perspective on media and would be interested to see it on such a great program.
I would really love to see you break down the youtube animation by HotDiggedyDemon “Brain Dump, Dream Drama Explained!” The title is a little misleading obviously lol, but I think it would be really interesting to see your perspective on it.
"And everyone knows it's Butters" gosh you're too cute 🙈😂💜
Hey Dr. Elliott! I have watched a lot of your It's Always Sunny videos! Love your South Park videos too!
Matt Stone and Trey Parker are geniuses.
You should definitely take a look at the way the show developed the relationship between Craig and Tweek, I think it would be great for Pride Month.
I really love this episode!
It so realistic in showing the hypocracy and bigotery and so wholesome when Butters stands up for his friend and himself.
Could you make a video on "The F Word" episode from Southpark?
It would be really intresting to hear a professionals opinion on this!😊
Thank you for talking about your experiences.❤
I love your reactions so much, keep it up!
I was today years old when I learnt that Samuel Hayden was A Psychiatrist before his eventual employment at UAC and research in to argent energy...
I genuinely think this is the smartest south park episode and proof that they go above and beyond just crude jokes
I think Butters said it best at the end, God made us all and God don't make junk...if I may paraphrase. If you're looking for movies with a psychological bend I'd look at "A Monster Calls". It's heartbreaking but I'd be interested to hear your take on it.
this is one of my favourite episodes and favourite butters moments. when he snaps, clears the entire library (or something, im not hip)
i would looove a video on But I'm A Cheerleader 😊😊
I'd love to see you do one on trans issues. There's a few episodes of big mouth that have a trans girl named Natalie
hey man, LUV from Canada 🇨🇦.. thanks to you. You are truly doing The Lord's Work. haha
I was struggling in the 1980's in rural - no internet - farmers - land for years. Thankfully there was no conversion therapy in my home town at that time. I doubt anyone had even heard of it. If a kid was Queer, that just meant he was "different"
Love this episode and besides the obvious south park humor the ending has the best joke. Once again Butters has terrible parents as they make a call back to Mr. Scotch cheating on his wife with men an being caught by Butters. You would think Mr. Scotch would have more compassion instead he did the exact opposite an sent him to this "camp".
Wasn't Doctor Samuel Hayden the robotic chairman of the UAC in the 2016 Doom game?
While conversion practices are still around in the UK, it is to a very small degree and they are trying to ban them fully so it's not like the UK government is doing nothing or turning a blind eye to it.
But it’s not like it’s a main topic to ban them all immediately and they should have been banned decades ago given what we know about how harmful they are.
One of the greatest South Park episodes ever.
Luckily conversion therapy has been outlawed in Canada
I’m jealous as an American.
"Normal": I wonder how many straight people actually qualify as such, let alone judge other heterosexuals as normal? Most, if not all, human beings - consciously and/or unconsciously so - define the boundaries of "normality" for themselves, on top of which "social-norms laws" have legally broadened and/or narrowed the definition of the word, imo...
Psycho-emotionally, my own reaction (at the end of my teenage-long, internal struggle) was in some ways like Butters' at the end: I got angry - but I was also frightened. I knew I was/am gay, but I was afraid of "their/everyone's" reaction to my coming-out. I knew that liking/enjoying men, especially sexually, was something to have to hide (yes, one learns that even in grade school), yet never felt ashamed of the fact that I did, that I masturbated over sexual fantasies about having sex with men during my teenage years and enjoying physical sex with them since then - on the contrary. I did, however, feel ashamed about telling/sharing it with others, especially my family. Since then, I've become more solid and open, while still remaining wary...
"Pray the gay away", "Conversion therapy", "Being gay/straight is a choice", etc. is idiotic BS, in my considered opinion. How many people get psycho-emotionally hurt by/through/as a result of such fallacious "fancies"? - and I'm talking about all directly and indirectly involved...
Thanks for this your reaction!
Love the reference to P Diddy as closeted. Very prescient per usual for South Park.
I'm just going to observe for posterity that the phrase "variable accuracy" was _not_ attached to the clip of Kanye West admitting he's a gay fish.
You heard it here. Unwavering accuracy on the Kanye gay fish front.
But Mr Elliot sir. Don't you know that "They eat the poopoo!" 😂
4:17 "As always, on this channel we are curious." That must mean I'm bi-curious, too. 😃
9:21 INSULIN COMA THERAPY! Oh god. That's got to be harmful. Why isn't everyone taught that this is what used to be done to persecute gay people? The consequences of homophobia are DANGEROUS.
Lol, is that Jinkx Monsoon in the background? ❤❤
Conversion therapy is now illegal in Canada
Best thing about South Park is that they can really tell a story that can be extremely preachy, educational and finger-pointing, in a way that doesn't make people to just immediately close their ears and minds, like they'd do if it would be coming from a professional/educational video.
The worst thing about South Park is that they are sometimes dead wrong, yet they are so good at making these profound videos, that even when they are wrong, it can make people think they are right. Most notoriously the South Park creators were extremely anti-global warming before they, thank GoT, saw the light and came to their senses and publicly backpedaled on that. The Al Gore and Man-Bear-Pig saga is all about that
This is a bit left field, but since I also just watched your South Park video on _Dissociative identity disorder_ I have a suggestion of a great episode from the best written sci-fi series Babylon 5, that I'd love to recommend for you to watch/react to, the episode is from S3 the Episode 4 "Passing Through Gethsemane". It stars a cameo from Brad Dourif (Chucky Doll, Wormtongue) as Brother Edward
Brother Edward comes to the station as a monk who is just a part of a monastery order seeking the best place to exercise their faith in good actions, and he is the most kind and loved brother of them all, but soon starts hearing and seeing visions of horrible things, that start to destabilize his personality and make him question himself and his faith. What only the head of the order knows, is that Edward is a former serial killer who has been sentenced to death of personality aka brainwipe and "repurposed" as a servile kind monk, as a more "humane" and productive alternative to execution.
These visions are actually intentionally shown to him to trigger his real and suppressed personality to come back by the brother of one of his victims who thinks Edwards got away too easily, since he was never made to suffer for his sins, since he didn't know what he had done. So he tries to forcibly revive the serial killer, so he could take his revenge on him, and he would know why he did it.
This is a really clever setup, and there are a lot of really cool developments especially inside the personality of Brother Edwards, that I won't spoil any more than I already have, that I think are well worth reacting to.
Worrying about someone else's sexuality so much that you feel the need to literally make their existence illegal is such a weird thing to me. That some people think they have the right to shove their way into everyone else's life and demand that everyone conforms to what they like is absolutely ludicrous. I've seen so much anti-LGBTQ+ nonsense lately, and it sickens me that we are still dealing with this.
How about on the flip side, telling everyone who you like to F is none of anyone's business. Dressing up like sequel deviants for a month and showing off who you want to f is no better
@@BlazeBuds Except that it is completely normal.
Have you never seen a show where 2 characters have children? be it for kids or for adults.
Have you never seen people go "i'd hit that" or ever heard of the phrase cat-calling?
It is completely normal to voice one's sexuality, what you don't like is that it isn't the same sexuality as yours.
Say that to muslims
@@yourcommentisntfunnyv2709 If any of them are reading this, then I'm saying it to them too. I don't care what religion someone hides their bigotry behind, it is still wrong.
ABA is basically conversion "therapy" for autistic adults and autistic children. It would be nice to see you make a video on it
2:04 Butters is Butters❤❤ That's because I love him
I love how accurate this episode is. To be honest I don’t like being gay, and I have tried “changing” so much but it’s just not how my brain is wired 🤷♂️
As a kid (that was definitely too young to be watching South Park) they had some great messages in their show
Ah, this is the idea of Mr. Scotch? How ironic. And honestly pretty expected.
is that jinkx monsoon behind you on the tablet?
Thank you for reacting to this! This episode was one of the first things i saw about conversion therapy, and what I think it does well is illustrate the absurdity of it. It obviously doesn't go that deep into the details of those practices, and I think you added a lot of valuable explanations and expanded on the many things that weren't covered in the episode.
11:05 exactly, being gay doesnt make ppl miserable or their life not worth living, its the homophobia in the world that can make ppl miserable
Simple response, but inaccurate.
Ah, yes, the homophobia. Everything is sexist, racist, homophobe.
Always the same words in the same line... Weird, isnt it?
Quick question: is there anything politically you are disagreeing with that you dont label with buzzwords?
As an autistic person, Butters is my favorite character ever.
What I find funny about this is that the Bible doesn’t condemn homosexuality. What it condemns is any sexual act that doesn’t result in pregnancy. Birth control, condoms, blowjobs, and anal. I went to a church for years that actively studied and debated the word’s rather than one man preaching his interpretation, which is what the Bible says you should do, and half the church still couldn’t wrap their minds around that fact.
Any sexual act that is outside of marriage and with intent of not ending in pregnancy. It's fine to have sex and not get pregnant, but it's not ok to pull out, for example. But yes, you're right, it's not the urge, but the sex that's condemned.
So if a married straight couple had sex and one of them is infertile(and they know it)...it would make it "illegal" to the bible?
Intresting...I guess that Henry VIII makes sense now🤔
Man who sleeps with man as he would a woman will not enter the kingdom of God. That's pretty damn clear.
What I find funny is people falsely claiming that the bible doesn't condemn homosexuality. It's like they've never read Leviticus.
@@DM_Curtis Leviticus is Old Testament and is overturned by Jesus in the New Testament.
I was waiting patiently for you to do this one. Great review
"The Cissy" is also a good one
Have to imagine a psychiatrist would be rolling at this episode
I find it interesting how people see things so different. Im not gay but my gay friends call me gay every day!!! In the way they used it in high school. As in Me - "I need to go pick up the wife". My gay buddies response "That's GAYYYY" My one gay buddy loved a stand up comic and he copied a line. How can you explain a fanny pack? Its just gay... i guess for some people its harmful. If 10 out of 100 people are offended i think its democracy at that point on whats wright and wrong.
“You’ve been going down to that glory hole on 14th and willow havent you?!” -Butters’ father, the most straight man alive.
Pray the Industrial Pollution Away!
Couldn't have been too hard to blend in as straight when you've got a British accent.
It was the scarves that became the give away
@@DoctorElliottCarthy Hey, Fred from Scooby Doo got away with a kerchief.
@@DoctorElliottCarthy. Have you reacted to the South Park YAOI episode yet? It’s so beautiful and wholesome!
I have lost over a decade to psychiatry, they are not one bit better. For years I was suicidal for what they did to me.
Gotta do Eek a Penis. Garrison spittin truth at the end of the episode.
I got myself some gay friends after school so I didn't really take part in the "that's so gay" mentality but now I got some catching up to do, but instead I mock them by going "that's so straight" instead they find it funny
The dumb thing amongst the many is the people who say that conversion therapy should be legal because fReEdOm of speech
I heard that some are pushing it as illegal for adults too, which imo it does violate freedom of speech.
I always supported that people should be able to do whatever they want if it doesn't harm others, be it hard drugs or harmful psychological treatment.
@@rompevuevitos222 do you support people committing suicide?
@@rompevuevitos222why would you support that? That makes no sense. Having conversion therapy legal in anyway is simply homophobic, there's no justification for it.
Have you reacted to the sex addiction South Park episode yet? 😂
Love the south park reactions
Happy pride month Elliot!
I work with a bunch of 30 and 40 somethings and even amongst them it's totally normal to interchange bad, unfortunate, unlucky, shitty etc. with "gay" and when I try to discourage it, I'm being PC. I don't get it. It's not being PC, it doesnt hurt a person at all to NOT replace "bad" with "gay" so like... just don't be an asshole?
Would love to see you review Boy Erased and that look into conversion therapy.
straight passing AKA straight-acting (back in my day--early 2000s)
Lol I got a warning about the dangers of conversion therapy under this video.
Jinx Monsoon as Little ED in the back