Did you know that even without a universal healthcare system, the U.S. government still spends more on healthcare than most other countries? On top of that, Americans pay more out of pocket for healthcare than citizens anywhere else-yet we don’t seem to have a superior system. So where is all that money going? This week, we’re comparing the healthcare systems of Germany and the United States. The differences may surprise you! Let us know your thoughts on healthcare-whether in the U.S., Germany, or elsewhere. Have you ever been treated in a foreign country? How did your experience compare? Thanks for watching and joining the conversation!
I am an American and have been living in Germany for about 15 years. Almost exactly one year ago I had a retina detachment that was successfully repaired with two surgeries and 8 nights in the hospital. I did not have to get anything approved by my German insurance. The surgery was immediate and the insurance covered everything. It was all very transparent, even though I am privately insured. I am very grateful to be in Germany at this time. The stories about not getting a gown does not reflect my experience. Peeing in a jar for a urine specimen is also wrong. When requested for such a sample, the patient just needs to go to any pharmacy and ask for a specimen container. They cost about 50 cents.
A couple of things (German living in Saxony): "Peeing in a Dixie cup" in a clinic can happen if the urine sample gets processed right after or if the external lab requests generally a very small sample; in the second case the nurse will "repack" the specimen. I certainly have peed in such cups myself. When you're asked to provide a urine sample or stool sample from home you'll get the appropriate containers though. "bringing something to eat" is typical when having surgery and getting general anesthesia. You're not allowed to eat before this and depending on the schedule it can take a while until you get out of the operating room. You're supposed to eat something right afterwards so your blood sugar stabilizes. This is especially important for outpatient procedures where generally no meals are provided. "bringing a towel to the MRI" - yes, this is definitely a thing. But it's more a question of comfort than hygiene. If you don't bring your own towel they'll use a paper towel instead. "paying for cleaning of the OR" - never heard of this. During a hospital stay you typically pay 10€ per day; and this is AFAIK mainly to cover the meals. I always got a hospital gown during my hospital stays. I don't think the Leipzig experience has something to do with this being the former GDR - the hospitals (at least in the large cities like Leipzig, Dresden or Berlin) have all been reconstructed and modernized to common standards. One thing to keep in mind though: In a city like Dresden the public hospitals are racking up massive deficits. AFAIK this is true for nearly all public hospitals in Saxony. This in turn of course will affect all the surrounding "amenities". Getting an appointment (non-emergency) can be a bit of a challenge. Especially specialist doctors sometimes don't accept new patients or only if the patients consent to additional checks that they have to pay for themself. There is copay for things like physical therapy, speech therapy and so on. From my experience this is around 30€ for a complete therapy set (between 6 and 12 appointments). The insurance also will only cover a certain number of physical therapy prescriptions per year.
I'm 70 years old, I had a lot of appointments at several doctors in my life. I never ever saw half naked women sitting in a waiting room! Who told you that bizarre story?
@@gerdahessel2268 I honestly don’t remember where I heard that story. Perhaps it’s not true. If it is true, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but very different from what my fellow Americans would be accustomed. Again that doesn’t make it bad. True or not, based upon my personal experience with German health care and attitudes towards nudity, it wasn’t difficult for me to believe. Anyway, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@travelingexpats I would assume thats Something from the 1920ties -1930ties I can Imagine something happening Like this during lice infestation ... Its certainly nothing that would happen under normal circumstances.
@@travelingexpats That's BS...sry .. that would NEVER happen here in modern times, it might have way back . but NOBODY treats patients like that now..and you actually with that statement, push the narrative against universal healthcare and it is a typical american argument against it .. 🙂 Being naked when at the beach and sitting with your ti'''''' out in a doctors waiting room is would be 2 totally different things... but yes we europeans have a different look at nudity
Great topic!!!! I broke my ankle and the top portion of my leg in Garmisch back on 1 July 2021 and spent nine days in a German hospital. I had to have surgery including having titanium placed in my ankle. As far as I know, this is the only thing "German" I have in me, lol lol. Long story short, it cost 8,000 Euros for the procedure in Garmisch but in the U.S. the same procedure would have cost USD 80,000. I am glad that my travel insurance covered the entire 8,000 Euros. Thanks for sharing your and Betty's experience. BTW, I use the VA for everything and I have never had an issue with care/service. I am very pleased with the VA. Thank again !!!!! :)
Thanks for watching and sharing your healthcare story. It’s too bad you broke your ankle in such an ugly part of the world 😂😂😂 Just kidding of course. Certainly happy to know that everything worked out and all is well. Did they give you spaghettieis to help with the recovery?
@@travelingexpats Yes, such an ugly place, satire, lol. Like I said I am so glad that I bought travel insurance. Before then I never purchased travel insurance but now won't leave home without it. I didn't have any spaghetti eis at the hospital but when I arrived at the Edelweiss the staff there made sure that I had spaghetti eis every day I was there, lol.
You seem to had have a very peculiar hospital in Leipzig. Usually you do get special screw top cups for urine samples and scoop tubes for stool samples. Hospital gowns are given after a surgery, but not prior to an examination. For examinations you will undress at the beginning at the procidure and will only be half dress during the examination, not so time before or after. Doctor's couches, MRIs etc are usually covered with papersheets, so you don't have to bring your own towel. At least that's how it is in the deep west of Germany.
@@bjarnethemagnificent8804 We’ve lived in different parts of Germany. Bavaria, Rheinland-Pfalz, Saxony. The procedures for hospital/clinic sheets, gowns, etc haven’t been much different from region to region - east or west. In fact, just a few weeks ago I had to give a urine sample in Rheinland-Pfalz and it was just a disposable drinking cup. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but very different than the US. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Re. money for cleaning the OP theatre, no private room, towels etc. That may partly be a regional thing. I don't know when you were in Leipzig, but you have to consider that they came from a completely different system after the wall fell and that you can't change things overnight. Maybe there are some different traditions in some places, and since healthcare is overseen on state level, that would reflect on these things. But that's only speculation on my side, and somebody else has more insight into this. I've had two surgeries over the past decade or so here in the northwest, also involving several MRIs, endoscopic procedures, and stuff like that. I was in hospital 3 or 4 days each time, and I didn't have to bring towels nor money for cleaning anything, or even my own breakfast. I paid extra for a two-bed room (a one-bed room wasn't available at the time as they were fully "booked") which was about 80 euros per night, so about what you pay for a decent hotel room. My girlfriend, on the other hand, was placed in a one-bed room with no extra cost when she was in the hospital some years ago because they simply had enough rooms at the time. Of course, I brought my own pajama, why not? The only cash I "paid" was some tip into the kitty for the nurses who were great. For the MRI, they usually use just the typical paper towels from a reel which are replaced for each patient. And honestly, if they had put some warm towel on me in the tube, I would have gone claustrophobic. ;-) And regarding the rumor about half naked women in the waiting room, I very much doubt that. That is certainly not standard practice where I and my gf live, and I doubt it's a common occurence elsewhere. Stories about healthcare or hospitals are sometimes like fishing. Everybody has their own stories, and sometimes, the fish was not quite as big as it appears. ;-) But of course, every pond can have its own pecularities. ;-)
@@mogon721 Great perspective and very interesting. Our experience in Leipzig was just three years ago, so pretty recently. We’ve received treatment in various Bundesländer over the past 25 years- Saxony, Rheinland-Pfalz and Bavaria and our experiences have all been very similar as far as the “extras” are concerned. Anyway, like I said we’ve never had a problem with our care in Germany and consider it to be superior to that in the U.S. in most aspects.Thank you very much for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences.
The problem in USA is, that the whole healthcare system is totally privatised or better said commercialised and a lot of people are making big money without adding value to healthcare.
This is the point, that was largely underrepresented in the video. The main driver for healthcare costs is a big private healthcare industry and unchallenged pharma industry. Big premiums and additional costs and rejecting useful treatment, all for the shareholders.
@@travelingexpats You are in a special position knowing both systems personally (although I never ever have experienced things similar to the urine/naked in waiting room/etc. stories in Germany, that may be anecdotally). That made an interesting and informative video! It may also be mentioned, that there are areas, where privatization and fraud has caused a lot of damage. It's far from perfect, always borderline collapsing...
It’s a never ending fight to get our healthcare insurance to even pay claims here. When I fell and hurt my back a few years ago, insurance tried to process it as workman’s comp. It took over a year to get them to process it correctly.
@@margaretsimmons7143 I‘m so sorry that you had to deal with that. I’m happy everything finally got resolved. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
hm, since birth in the 1960s, no problem ever with my health insurance! i never had to use my own money to pay for anything medical! last time, i had to pay €10 per day in the hospital....wich isnt a problem, i got a special insurance who pay me €50 per day in hospital... so i payed €60 and had a €240 extra income! i spend 14 months at home, not working.... i saved money, after i went back to work, my bank account had a big surplus!
Great video but l have to comment on the half naked women in the waiting room! That is BS (or as Americans like to say… false facts!) I just had an mammogram test 3 weeks ago ( get one every 2 yrs courtesy of the German health insurance) and they are done in Xray clinics…you are called, go into a change room, remove upper clothing, door gies directly into the xray room… two female technicians do the tests… you get dressed and go home. Two weeks later l recovered my results mailed to me. So if your wife ever needs a mammogram, tell her not to worry she will not be sitting in a room full of half naked women. Unless she goes to a sauna, that’s another story! 😂
@@MomentsbyLiz Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I don’t know where I heard that and it may not be true, but I must say that based upon our experience with German healthcare and with German attitudes towards nudity (we’ve been to a few saunas) it wasn’t hard to believe. True or not, it wouldn’t have an adverse impact on the delivery of healthcare and that’s the overall point. Things are different in Germany, but just as good (and more often than not actually much better) than in the U.S. Thanks again!
Simple answer: one is a service a civilized society has decided to provide for its citizens. The other one is business. Also in a lot of counties not insurance it’s just health care. That being said it’s very disheartening that America holds to the belief that health care should be a business rather than a right.
UK retired medic here. 400 € seems about right for that sort of thing in Europe and Oceania, fully privately paid. I have worked on 4 continents and in more than a dozen countries, and of all the developed countries I've worked in, the health services of Australia and Austria are, IMO, probably the 'best' overall.
I think looking at the percentage of how many people do have health insurance answers the wrong question. You should look at what the percentage is of the coverage of health expenses at the point of service. The American healthcare problem is not just about the uninsured but mainly about un- and UNDER-insured (aside from the other problems like tied-to-the-job-insurance, surprise bills, and so on). What use has a health insurance plan if it pays 80% of a procedure of which YOU can't afford the 20% share? Right, exactly nothing. There are no GoFundMe campaigns to raise money for medical expenses in Germany. It's not necessary. In the U.S., people have died because they couldn't afford dialysis or a kidney transplant even if they found a donor organ. Not to speak of things that are unimaginable in any other industrialized country like dying because you can't afford insuline. Of course, those people in Congress with their free Cadillac plans do not care. They are not paid to do that. That's not what their "donors" want from them. They want them to make sure they can bill you 30k for a procedure that is worth 400. The biggest difference between universal healthcare and healthcare in the states is simple. One is non-profit, the other is for-profit. Which doesn't mean you couldn't earn quite a lot of money in a universal healthcare system. Doctors are the profession with the highest income in Germany, even before bankers. But the filthy-inhumane profits that American health providers make are at the bottom of why you pay 400 Euros for a simple series of infusions in Germany and $30k for the same procedure in the states, while you even have to ask some insurance clerk and NOT a doctor for approval (of only a share of the costs) in the states. If I was a cynic, I would call American healthcare not healthcare but profitcare. Yet, that would not be cynical but just the truth. Of course, all the lies and propaganda spread to discredit universal healthcare are nothing other than a broad corporate campaign to protect those profits, from the waiting-for-an-appointment lie to the best-healthcare-in-the-world myth. Everybody who has even only briefly looked into that matter knows that. But healthcare is complicated as some genius once said. You can hide so many little traps in there and so many hidden detours, it's a gold mine for everybody except for the custom..., err..., victi..., err...patients. Take care!
@@mogon721 Again, great information and perspective. It’s been said that the U.S. doesn’t have a healthcare system, but a health-management system. Health is managed in a way where profit is the main goal rather than the health of the patients. I think you make many good and unfortunately true points. Thanks for watching!
I come from Germany, but in my mind the American system sounds more like a criminal system. Normally, such a system is used for humanitarian purposes to serve people, but here they are doing more service to themselves in order to enrich themselves and fill their bank accounts. Doctors as well as hospitals. But here human rights are being violated so massively that this would be enough for several charges in court. And here the USA would lose every case in an international court, and they know that in the USA, but they do it anyway. Here you can see how the USA treats its citizens. The state's duty of care looks different. Look at all the other countries that have a proper healthcare system like in Europe. One can only hope that those who cause all this suffering there will receive their just punishment at some point in the future.
I would refer to the US way of doing things in this field as a 'health industry' rather than involve the word 'care' or similar words in any form. It is not in any way 'healthcare' or a 'health system'. The only management involved in the USA is managing the profits so they are maximised!
@@travelingexpats That reminds me of a video from another American in Germany. Maybe you know the channel TypeAshton. She had an interesting video some time ago where she shares her experiences as somebody with a chronic disease in Kansas (I think) and in Germany. "THE REALITY OF UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IN GERMANY vs. American Private Healthcare" I'll post a link in another comment. I'm tired of those ever vanishing comments that trigger the algorithm on this platform... P.S.: Of course, the post with the direct link to a TH-cam(!) video has disappeared. That is NOT free speech... So you have to search for the title...
In the US the cleaning cost are not 8,50 € in cash there would have been 2000 bucks on the bill, now everyone can decide what he prefers so I personally choose the 8.50 € !
20:00 about the urine samples... Over here in northern germany it depends. But usually when your doctor requires samples from home, you get the necessary "cup" or other sampling kit to get the samples safely and hygienically to the lab... OTOH; Uf you're visiting a urologist, they usually have a bathroom with a double sided hatch to put you samples in and the lab is right in the next room behind the hatch. ;) So what good would it do to spend a expensive sampling cup when a simple clean plastic cup will do? Ahm and btw, i never got a plain cup, they always had my name written on it ....... ok mostly just like on a to go cup from starbucks ... but .... well then again, so what? ;)
@@hackbyte That was exactly my point. In the US system they pay too much for expensive, sterile cups when simple, plain, clean cups work just as well. But in the US this is not acceptable because of some stupid rule that someone invented which doesn’t make anything better, just more expensive. Anyway, I’m in favor of the German system. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I think you can get statistics related to corporate greed. What are the salaries and bonuses for insurance company, hospital conglomerate, durable medical goods, and drug wholesalers/retailers? What percentage of health insurance premiums actually go to heal care? What happens to the rest? I think you’ll find that the concept of ”enough profit” doesn’t exist in most large corporations.
For comparison, a few years ago, the salary of the CEO of Barmer Ersatzkasse, Germany's largest statuory health insurance with 9 or 10 million members, was something like 350-400k per year. That's about what a "Sparkassendirektor" gets, and about what a US president has as official salary (strangely, US presidents have a tendency to come out of office as multimillionaires even if they weren't before). Now, compare that to people who own yachts worth 100 milion dollars or even a whole island in the Carribbean. Then you know how much of the dues and premiums is put back into care respectively...
i remember when my wife was in the hospital in the USA she was in for a couple of days we got the bill on it was a point mucus kit $1120 it was a paper thingy and a view tissue that paper thingy was the same material you make egg carton out of and you wonder why American healthcare is expensive. The price for the hospital room made the Marriott blush in shame
@@travelingexpats Thanks she is fine now we are back in Germany where healthcare is a human right and not a privilege have a happy new year all the beat
The answer is quite simple. All germans pay money into the healthcare by law. Almost no American would spent his money for that, when it is not for his own benefit. But you see here, that is a short thinking.
Imagine being the CEO of a big pharma company sitting in front of a couple million people negotiating the price of your drugs. You have to give a reasonable figure. Otherwise the people wouldn't buy your products if there are other options available. This is how it works in Germany. Health providers can't determine the price as they want. They have to negotiate with the health insurance committee and hospitals also with the state health committee since health infrastructure is subsidized by taxpayers money.
Question, I have read up upon this topic, and I am aware that US citizens do cross the border to Canada to get medical help. Does that happen on the Mexican border too? And seeing those prices time and time again, I really wonder why people arent going to Europe... Or even Cuba. I guess I would like to have the chance of survival if I had a brain tumor. My mother had cancer...and got taken care off by public healthcare by an surgeon of international reknown. People were commig over from Japan to see him. Price like 400$ for the extra luxury of having a private room, but thats it. Anyhow I dont see how it is less affordable to leave the country than die in the US. I am aware that there are strings attached to this, but honestly if my live was on the line, I guess I would try anything.
@@vHindenburg Yes, I have heard of people going to Mexico for health care. There is a growing trend of medical tourism in which people who are able and can afford to travel go abroad for needed care. Malaysia seems to be a very popular destination. Thanks for watching and commenting.
simple answer, capitalism ..... everyone can get rich at the cost of others, that is the american system. and not only germany has universal healthcare, every country of the EU has it
We have capitalism in Europe as well, but that doesn't stop us to take care of each other. In the US capitalism went extreme and now some selfish billionaires are ruling the country. It baffles me that people in the US call it socialism to take care of each other. Apparantly they have no clue what socialism is. A social democracy is something completely different and isn't communism.
Your comment about the urin is wrong, they are sealed, and have a printed label with your name on it. Hospital. Well I did get a "private " room, it was made for 2 people, but I prefer to have people around me. The gowns? If the doctor wants you naked, it would be counter productive to give you a gown. Mammograph, men are not in the waiting room and in Germany we are not as prude as Americans are. Regarding the costs, if you land up in hospital, there is a charge of 10€ for the first 10 days, after that it is free of charge, if you came in with the ambulance, well that is going to set you 10€ back, Prescriptions, depending on the cost of the medication it varies quite a bit, starting at around 5€ for Beta Blocker, Candesartan or Nitrendipin. Appointments? They can take 6 months, but 4 months is normal, if it is an emergency, then most hospitals have departments to take care of these patients. Al in all, the German healthcare system is very good.
@@davidmarkwort9711 my comment about the urine is not wrong. I have experienced it that way in multiple different areas. Just because you haven’t experienced it that way doesn’t mean it’s not true. It doesn’t impact the delivery of quality healthcare, which is the point of the discussion. I agree with you about the gowns, in America you generally get a hospital gown every time you will be examined without clothes , which is completely unnecessary. I’m very much in favor of the German healthcare system. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
i see my doctor around 10 times a year.....why pay for it?? my longest vacation, 8 weeks.. longest sickness staying home 14 months! ...still had my job coming back to work!
@@weinhainde2550 English speaking doctors, short waiting times and good service are remnants of the GDR? We’ve received health care in Bavaria and Rheinland-Pfalz as well and they were much the same as our experience in Leipzig. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts.
And yet the German system is under severe stress due to an aging society and low skilled immigrants not paying into the insurance but getting service payed by it.
@@afri-dancer9967 There are many wonderful things in America, but certainly not everything is good. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Star Trek (the old one ;-) ); John Lewis, the jazz pianist; Hillary Hahn, the violinist, to name only a few of many. Oh s..., did you say apart from music and movies? ;-) OK, Asimov, Twain, and Travelingexpats. ;-)
The differential of medical costs is absolutely INSANE! Mind you that when comparing national health-care costs between foreign nations, you have to equally consider population size...also Germany is a democratic socialist nation, where on average, Germans pay more taxes per ca pita than Americans do. But based on your guys experience in Germany (Leipzig), it would seem as though there are also drawbacks to socialized medicine...I wonder if that's the same in all of Germany's 16 federal states?
We feel the drawbacks are very minimal compared with the cost and outcome advantages. We also paid much less in taxes than most people seem to think. From our perspective, the German system is far superior to what we have in the U.S. Of course everyone has a different perspective and experiences. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Germany (3rd largest economy in the world) is NOT a socialist nation. It's staunchly capitalist, but following the principles of Rhine Capitalism based on ideas stemming, among others, from the Catholic social teaching (see wikipedia). Also, yes, those experiences may well be local and due to the east of Germany having transitioned from a completely different system and hospitals being under state supervision. So I wouldn't rule that out. Also, Germany does NOT have socialized medicine. Hospitals are not owned or operated by the state. Many are privately owned, others by the church, others by the local city or town. Doctors' practices are private enterprises. And statuory health insurances are NOT owned or controlled by the state. The term "socialized" is even less applicable to countries like Switzerland or the Netherlands where insurances are private but have to follow strict regulations. If you are looking for something that fits the term a bit more, you would have to look at the British NHS. But even that is not quite correct. Better don't use the term at all as it is a propaganda term created by the corporate US health industry to stoke fear of universal healthcare many decades ago. P.S.:"you have to equally consider population size" You are right, just in the wrong direction. If anything, a *larger* population makes things CHEAPER. It's called scale effect. But basically, it doesn't matter much whether you have 8, 80 or 800 millon people. That "size" myth is also nothing but corporate propaganda that has been proven wrong again and again. If people WANT universal healthcare, they can have it. And population size is neither a pro nor a con.
Your comment is absolute nonsense and does not correspond to the facts. Firstly, Germany is a democracy and not a socialist state. You, like most Americans, confuse that with social because you don't learn the difference in school. Secondly, what the US Americans always reject is that we pay a little more in taxes, but they probably didn't learn to do the math in the USA, because if you were to take a calculator to hand, you would realize that you pay a lot more out of your own pocket. And that is the American system of exploitation. It seems to me that the Americans prefer to pay less taxes, but in return let themselves be ripped off elsewhere and pay out of their own pockets until they are financially bankrupt. When will you learn to do the math.
I have seen so many comparisons on taxation, If you arent in the richtest 1% you are likely to pay less Tax in Europe , by Like a few percentage points . Yes we earn less but marmelade costs 3$ not 16$. Foremost prices for vegetables seem to be whack in the States.
Healthcare is insane in the US. My aunt and cousin came back to Malaysia when they needed procedures. After paying flights and medical here, they saved thousands and received top class medical treatment. I can understand why. Here in Europe is just as cheap too but healthcare in Malaysia is amazing and it’s no wonder why so many foreigners get to Malaysia for healthcare. It’s fast, efficient and affordable. Same for dental as well. Your video is so informative 😊Regards to you and Betty 🤍
We have heard about the great and affordable healthcare in Malaysia. I know some people schedule their travels so they can be in Malaysia to get needed treatment. Thank you for watching!
Did you know that even without a universal healthcare system, the U.S. government still spends more on healthcare than most other countries? On top of that, Americans pay more out of pocket for healthcare than citizens anywhere else-yet we don’t seem to have a superior system. So where is all that money going?
This week, we’re comparing the healthcare systems of Germany and the United States. The differences may surprise you!
Let us know your thoughts on healthcare-whether in the U.S., Germany, or elsewhere. Have you ever been treated in a foreign country? How did your experience compare?
Thanks for watching and joining the conversation!
I am an American and have been living in Germany for about 15 years. Almost exactly one year ago I had a retina detachment that was successfully repaired with two surgeries and 8 nights in the hospital. I did not have to get anything approved by my German insurance. The surgery was immediate and the insurance covered everything. It was all very transparent, even though I am privately insured. I am very grateful to be in Germany at this time. The stories about not getting a gown does not reflect my experience. Peeing in a jar for a urine specimen is also wrong. When requested for such a sample, the patient just needs to go to any pharmacy and ask for a specimen container. They cost about 50 cents.
@@Himmelgrau68 Thanks for watching and sharing your experience. I’m happy to know that everything worked out with your surgery.
A couple of things (German living in Saxony):
"Peeing in a Dixie cup" in a clinic can happen if the urine sample gets processed right after or if the external lab requests generally a very small sample; in the second case the nurse will "repack" the specimen. I certainly have peed in such cups myself. When you're asked to provide a urine sample or stool sample from home you'll get the appropriate containers though.
"bringing something to eat" is typical when having surgery and getting general anesthesia. You're not allowed to eat before this and depending on the schedule it can take a while until you get out of the operating room. You're supposed to eat something right afterwards so your blood sugar stabilizes. This is especially important for outpatient procedures where generally no meals are provided.
"bringing a towel to the MRI" - yes, this is definitely a thing. But it's more a question of comfort than hygiene. If you don't bring your own towel they'll use a paper towel instead.
"paying for cleaning of the OR" - never heard of this. During a hospital stay you typically pay 10€ per day; and this is AFAIK mainly to cover the meals.
I always got a hospital gown during my hospital stays.
I don't think the Leipzig experience has something to do with this being the former GDR - the hospitals (at least in the large cities like Leipzig, Dresden or Berlin) have all been reconstructed and modernized to common standards. One thing to keep in mind though: In a city like Dresden the public hospitals are racking up massive deficits. AFAIK this is true for nearly all public hospitals in Saxony. This in turn of course will affect all the surrounding "amenities".
Getting an appointment (non-emergency) can be a bit of a challenge. Especially specialist doctors sometimes don't accept new patients or only if the patients consent to additional checks that they have to pay for themself.
There is copay for things like physical therapy, speech therapy and so on. From my experience this is around 30€ for a complete therapy set (between 6 and 12 appointments). The insurance also will only cover a certain number of physical therapy prescriptions per year.
@@maro_from_germany Thank you for watching our video and sharing your thoughts and experiences.
I'm 70 years old, I had a lot of appointments at several doctors in my life. I never ever saw half naked women sitting in a waiting room! Who told you that bizarre story?
@@gerdahessel2268 I honestly don’t remember where I heard that story. Perhaps it’s not true. If it is true, I’m not saying it’s a bad thing, but very different from what my fellow Americans would be accustomed. Again that doesn’t make it bad. True or not, based upon my personal experience with German health care and attitudes towards nudity, it wasn’t difficult for me to believe. Anyway, thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@travelingexpats I would assume thats Something from the 1920ties -1930ties I can Imagine something happening Like this during lice infestation ...
Its certainly nothing that would happen under normal circumstances.
@@travelingexpats That's BS...sry .. that would NEVER happen here in modern times, it might have way back . but NOBODY treats patients like that now..and you actually with that statement, push the narrative against universal healthcare and it is a typical american argument against it .. 🙂 Being naked when at the beach and sitting with your ti'''''' out in a doctors waiting room is would be 2 totally different things... but yes we europeans have a different look at nudity
Maybe that was a clinic in a nudity Camp. I never saw it either 😢😮
@@vHindenburg Perhaps you‘re right.
Great topic!!!! I broke my ankle and the top portion of my leg in Garmisch back on 1 July 2021 and spent nine days in a German hospital. I had to have surgery including having titanium placed in my ankle. As far as I know, this is the only thing "German" I have in me, lol lol. Long story short, it cost 8,000 Euros for the procedure in Garmisch but in the U.S. the same procedure would have cost USD 80,000. I am glad that my travel insurance covered the entire 8,000 Euros. Thanks for sharing your and Betty's experience. BTW, I use the VA for everything and I have never had an issue with care/service. I am very pleased with the VA. Thank again !!!!! :)
Thanks for watching and sharing your healthcare story. It’s too bad you broke your ankle in such an ugly part of the world 😂😂😂 Just kidding of course. Certainly happy to know that everything worked out and all is well. Did they give you spaghettieis to help with the recovery?
@@travelingexpats Yes, such an ugly place, satire, lol. Like I said I am so glad that I bought travel insurance. Before then I never purchased travel insurance but now won't leave home without it. I didn't have any spaghetti eis at the hospital but when I arrived at the Edelweiss the staff there made sure that I had spaghetti eis every day I was there, lol.
@@MagnificentGermanywithDarion But you had Schweinshaxe at the hospital, Darion! 😜
@ Outstanding! Happy to know that you’re up and running again.
@@arnodobler1096 HEheheeee, yes and I will never forget that :)
You seem to had have a very peculiar hospital in Leipzig. Usually you do get special screw top cups for urine samples and scoop tubes for stool samples. Hospital gowns are given after a surgery, but not prior to an examination. For examinations you will undress at the beginning at the procidure and will only be half dress during the examination, not so time before or after. Doctor's couches, MRIs etc are usually covered with papersheets, so you don't have to bring your own towel.
At least that's how it is in the deep west of Germany.
I had to experience an east german Hospital as a west german. Top medical treatment, but very funny Type of Pflege.
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@@bjarnethemagnificent8804 We’ve lived in different parts of Germany. Bavaria, Rheinland-Pfalz, Saxony. The procedures for hospital/clinic sheets, gowns, etc haven’t been much different from region to region - east or west. In fact, just a few weeks ago I had to give a urine sample in Rheinland-Pfalz and it was just a disposable drinking cup. I’m not saying there’s anything wrong with that, but very different than the US. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Yep, that covers pretty much my own experiences as well.
Re. money for cleaning the OP theatre, no private room, towels etc.
That may partly be a regional thing. I don't know when you were in Leipzig, but you have to consider that they came from a completely different system after the wall fell and that you can't change things overnight. Maybe there are some different traditions in some places, and since healthcare is overseen on state level, that would reflect on these things. But that's only speculation on my side, and somebody else has more insight into this.
I've had two surgeries over the past decade or so here in the northwest, also involving several MRIs, endoscopic procedures, and stuff like that. I was in hospital 3 or 4 days each time, and I didn't have to bring towels nor money for cleaning anything, or even my own breakfast. I paid extra for a two-bed room (a one-bed room wasn't available at the time as they were fully "booked") which was about 80 euros per night, so about what you pay for a decent hotel room. My girlfriend, on the other hand, was placed in a one-bed room with no extra cost when she was in the hospital some years ago because they simply had enough rooms at the time. Of course, I brought my own pajama, why not? The only cash I "paid" was some tip into the kitty for the nurses who were great. For the MRI, they usually use just the typical paper towels from a reel which are replaced for each patient. And honestly, if they had put some warm towel on me in the tube, I would have gone claustrophobic. ;-) And regarding the rumor about half naked women in the waiting room, I very much doubt that. That is certainly not standard practice where I and my gf live, and I doubt it's a common occurence elsewhere.
Stories about healthcare or hospitals are sometimes like fishing. Everybody has their own stories, and sometimes, the fish was not quite as big as it appears. ;-) But of course, every pond can have its own pecularities. ;-)
@@mogon721 Great perspective and very interesting. Our experience in Leipzig was just three years ago, so pretty recently. We’ve received treatment in various Bundesländer over the past 25 years- Saxony, Rheinland-Pfalz and Bavaria and our experiences have all been very similar as far as the “extras” are concerned. Anyway, like I said we’ve never had a problem with our care in Germany and consider it to be superior to that in the U.S. in most aspects.Thank you very much for watching and sharing your thoughts and experiences.
@@mogon721 The fishing analogy is a good one. People tell their own stories about what they caught, and sometimes add a bit of 'drama' ...
The problem in USA is, that the whole healthcare system is totally privatised or better said commercialised and a lot of people are making big money without adding value to healthcare.
This is the point, that was largely underrepresented in the video. The main driver for healthcare costs is a big private healthcare industry and unchallenged pharma industry. Big premiums and additional costs and rejecting useful treatment, all for the shareholders.
@@jan17355 Unfortunately you are correct. It’s all about the money 💰 Thanks for watching.
@rainerzufall42 Thanks for watching!
@@travelingexpats You are in a special position knowing both systems personally (although I never ever have experienced things similar to the urine/naked in waiting room/etc. stories in Germany, that may be anecdotally). That made an interesting and informative video! It may also be mentioned, that there are areas, where privatization and fraud has caused a lot of damage. It's far from perfect, always borderline collapsing...
It’s a never ending fight to get our healthcare insurance to even pay claims here. When I fell and hurt my back a few years ago, insurance tried to process it as workman’s comp. It took over a year to get them to process it correctly.
@@margaretsimmons7143 I‘m so sorry that you had to deal with that. I’m happy everything finally got resolved. Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
hm, since birth in the 1960s, no problem ever with my health insurance!
i never had to use my own money to pay for anything medical!
last time, i had to pay €10 per day in the hospital....wich isnt a problem,
i got a special insurance who pay me €50 per day in hospital...
so i payed €60 and had a €240 extra income!
i spend 14 months at home, not working....
i saved money, after i went back to work, my bank account had a big surplus!
@ That’s the way things should be everywhere. Thanks for watching and commenting.
Great video but l have to comment on the half naked women in the waiting room! That is BS (or as Americans like to say… false facts!)
I just had an mammogram test 3 weeks ago ( get one every 2 yrs courtesy of the German health insurance) and they are done in Xray clinics…you are called, go into a change room, remove upper clothing, door gies directly into the xray room… two female technicians do the tests… you get dressed and go home. Two weeks later l recovered my results mailed to me.
So if your wife ever needs a mammogram, tell her not to worry she will not be sitting in a room full of half naked women.
Unless she goes to a sauna, that’s another story! 😂
@@MomentsbyLiz Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts. I don’t know where I heard that and it may not be true, but I must say that based upon our experience with German healthcare and with German attitudes towards nudity (we’ve been to a few saunas) it wasn’t hard to believe. True or not, it wouldn’t have an adverse impact on the delivery of healthcare and that’s the overall point. Things are different in Germany, but just as good (and more often than not actually much better) than in the U.S. Thanks again!
Simple answer: one is a service a civilized society has decided to provide for its citizens.
The other one is business.
Also in a lot of counties not insurance it’s just health care.
That being said it’s very disheartening that America holds to the belief that health care should be a business rather than a right.
@@kristofferholst6053 You are correct, sadly. It’s all about money 💰 in the USA. Taking care of people comes in 2nd or maybe 3rd. Thanks for watching.
UK retired medic here. 400 € seems about right for that sort of thing in Europe and Oceania, fully privately paid.
I have worked on 4 continents and in more than a dozen countries, and of all the developed countries I've worked in, the health services of Australia and Austria are, IMO, probably the 'best' overall.
@Sine-gl9ly Thanks for your service! We’re happy to read about your experience around the world. Thanks for watching and commenting.
I think looking at the percentage of how many people do have health insurance answers the wrong question. You should look at what the percentage is of the coverage of health expenses at the point of service. The American healthcare problem is not just about the uninsured but mainly about un- and UNDER-insured (aside from the other problems like tied-to-the-job-insurance, surprise bills, and so on). What use has a health insurance plan if it pays 80% of a procedure of which YOU can't afford the 20% share? Right, exactly nothing. There are no GoFundMe campaigns to raise money for medical expenses in Germany. It's not necessary. In the U.S., people have died because they couldn't afford dialysis or a kidney transplant even if they found a donor organ. Not to speak of things that are unimaginable in any other industrialized country like dying because you can't afford insuline. Of course, those people in Congress with their free Cadillac plans do not care. They are not paid to do that. That's not what their "donors" want from them. They want them to make sure they can bill you 30k for a procedure that is worth 400.
The biggest difference between universal healthcare and healthcare in the states is simple. One is non-profit, the other is for-profit. Which doesn't mean you couldn't earn quite a lot of money in a universal healthcare system. Doctors are the profession with the highest income in Germany, even before bankers. But the filthy-inhumane profits that American health providers make are at the bottom of why you pay 400 Euros for a simple series of infusions in Germany and $30k for the same procedure in the states, while you even have to ask some insurance clerk and NOT a doctor for approval (of only a share of the costs) in the states.
If I was a cynic, I would call American healthcare not healthcare but profitcare. Yet, that would not be cynical but just the truth. Of course, all the lies and propaganda spread to discredit universal healthcare are nothing other than a broad corporate campaign to protect those profits, from the waiting-for-an-appointment lie to the best-healthcare-in-the-world myth. Everybody who has even only briefly looked into that matter knows that. But healthcare is complicated as some genius once said. You can hide so many little traps in there and so many hidden detours, it's a gold mine for everybody except for the custom..., err..., victi..., err...patients.
Take care!
@@mogon721 Again, great information and perspective. It’s been said that the U.S. doesn’t have a healthcare system, but a health-management system. Health is managed in a way where profit is the main goal rather than the health of the patients. I think you make many good and unfortunately true points. Thanks for watching!
I come from Germany, but in my mind the American system sounds more like a criminal system. Normally, such a system is used for humanitarian purposes to serve people, but here they are doing more service to themselves in order to enrich themselves and fill their bank accounts. Doctors as well as hospitals. But here human rights are being violated so massively that this would be enough for several charges in court. And here the USA would lose every case in an international court, and they know that in the USA, but they do it anyway. Here you can see how the USA treats its citizens. The state's duty of care looks different. Look at all the other countries that have a proper healthcare system like in Europe. One can only hope that those who cause all this suffering there will receive their just punishment at some point in the future.
I would refer to the US way of doing things in this field as a 'health industry' rather than involve the word 'care' or similar words in any form. It is not in any way 'healthcare' or a 'health system'. The only management involved in the USA is managing the profits so they are maximised!
@ Thanks for your reply.
@@travelingexpats That reminds me of a video from another American in Germany. Maybe you know the channel TypeAshton. She had an interesting video some time ago where she shares her experiences as somebody with a chronic disease in Kansas (I think) and in Germany. "THE REALITY OF UNIVERSAL HEALTHCARE IN GERMANY vs. American Private Healthcare" I'll post a link in another comment. I'm tired of those ever vanishing comments that trigger the algorithm on this platform...
P.S.: Of course, the post with the direct link to a TH-cam(!) video has disappeared. That is NOT free speech...
So you have to search for the title...
This high price in the USA is legally referred to as usury in Germany and is subject to high penalties
@@erichr421 Thanks for watching and sharing your knowledge with us.
I'm in Norway and we get a hospital gown for MRI and for hospital stays. We can bring a pj, but we don't have to.
@@TullaRask Thanks for watching and sharing your experience.
In the US the cleaning cost are not 8,50 € in cash there would have been 2000 bucks on the bill, now everyone can decide what he prefers so I personally choose the 8.50 € !
@@thomaskaempfe Absolutely correct. I’d much rather pay 8.50 as well. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
20:00 about the urine samples... Over here in northern germany it depends. But usually when your doctor requires samples from home, you get the necessary "cup" or other sampling kit to get the samples safely and hygienically to the lab...
OTOH; Uf you're visiting a urologist, they usually have a bathroom with a double sided hatch to put you samples in and the lab is right in the next room behind the hatch. ;)
So what good would it do to spend a expensive sampling cup when a simple clean plastic cup will do?
Ahm and btw, i never got a plain cup, they always had my name written on it ....... ok mostly just like on a to go cup from starbucks ... but .... well then again, so what? ;)
@@hackbyte That was exactly my point. In the US system they pay too much for expensive, sterile cups when simple, plain, clean cups work just as well. But in the US this is not acceptable because of some stupid rule that someone invented which doesn’t make anything better, just more expensive. Anyway, I’m in favor of the German system. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
I think you can get statistics related to corporate greed. What are the salaries and bonuses for insurance company, hospital conglomerate, durable medical goods, and drug wholesalers/retailers? What percentage of health insurance premiums actually go to heal care? What happens to the rest? I think you’ll find that the concept of ”enough profit” doesn’t exist in most large corporations.
@@fangugel3812 Sadly I think you’re correct. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
For comparison, a few years ago, the salary of the CEO of Barmer Ersatzkasse, Germany's largest statuory health insurance with 9 or 10 million members, was something like 350-400k per year. That's about what a "Sparkassendirektor" gets, and about what a US president has as official salary (strangely, US presidents have a tendency to come out of office as multimillionaires even if they weren't before). Now, compare that to people who own yachts worth 100 milion dollars or even a whole island in the Carribbean. Then you know how much of the dues and premiums is put back into care respectively...
i remember when my wife was in the hospital in the USA she was in for a couple of days we got the bill on it was a point mucus kit $1120 it was a paper thingy and a view tissue that paper thingy was the same material you make egg carton out of and you wonder why American healthcare is expensive. The price for the hospital room made the Marriott blush in shame
@@wasserman63 I‘m not surprised. I hope all worked out well for you and your wife despite the cost. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@travelingexpats Thanks she is fine now we are back in Germany where healthcare is a human right and not a privilege have a happy new year all the beat
The answer is quite simple. All germans pay money into the healthcare by law. Almost no American would spent his money for that, when it is not for his own benefit. But you see here, that is a short thinking.
@@rogerblumenstein1238 Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Imagine being the CEO of a big pharma company sitting in front of a couple million people negotiating the price of your drugs. You have to give a reasonable figure. Otherwise the people wouldn't buy your products if there are other options available. This is how it works in Germany. Health providers can't determine the price as they want. They have to negotiate with the health insurance committee and hospitals also with the state health committee since health infrastructure is subsidized by taxpayers money.
@@nordderby7675 Thank you for watching and sharing your knowledge on how prices are established for healthcare in Germany.
Question, I have read up upon this topic, and I am aware that US citizens do cross the border to Canada to get medical help. Does that happen on the Mexican border too?
And seeing those prices time and time again, I really wonder why people arent going to Europe... Or even Cuba.
I guess I would like to have the chance of survival if I had a brain tumor.
My mother had cancer...and got taken care off by public healthcare by an surgeon of international reknown. People were commig over from Japan to see him.
Price like 400$ for the extra luxury of having a private room, but thats it.
Anyhow I dont see how it is less affordable to leave the country than die in the US.
I am aware that there are strings attached to this, but honestly if my live was on the line, I guess I would try anything.
@@vHindenburg Yes, I have heard of people going to Mexico for health care. There is a growing trend of medical tourism in which people who are able and can afford to travel go abroad for needed care. Malaysia seems to be a very popular destination. Thanks for watching and commenting.
simple answer, capitalism ..... everyone can get rich at the cost of others, that is the american system.
and not only germany has universal healthcare, every country of the EU has it
@@Chaos2Go Yes, the U.S. is the only wealthy nation in the world without universal healthcare. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
We have capitalism in Europe as well, but that doesn't stop us to take care of each other. In the US capitalism went extreme and now some selfish billionaires are ruling the country. It baffles me that people in the US call it socialism to take care of each other. Apparantly they have no clue what socialism is. A social democracy is something completely different and isn't communism.
@ Thank you so much for watching and sharing your thoughts.
@@BetsyEimers Yep, Rhine Capitalism. Based, among others, on the Catholic social teaching. But for certain people, that's still rabid communism. ;-)
It's called for-profit healthcare.
It works as designed.
@@Be-Es---___ Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Your comment about the urin is wrong, they are sealed, and have a printed label with your name on it. Hospital. Well I did get a "private " room, it was made for 2 people, but I prefer to have people around me. The gowns? If the doctor wants you naked, it would be counter productive to give you a gown. Mammograph, men are not in the waiting room and in Germany we are not as prude as Americans are. Regarding the costs, if you land up in hospital, there is a charge of 10€ for the first 10 days, after that it is free of charge, if you came in with the ambulance, well that is going to set you 10€ back, Prescriptions, depending on the cost of the medication it varies quite a bit, starting at around 5€ for Beta Blocker, Candesartan or Nitrendipin. Appointments? They can take 6 months, but 4 months is normal, if it is an emergency, then most hospitals have departments to take care of these patients. Al in all, the German healthcare system is very good.
@@davidmarkwort9711 my comment about the urine is not wrong. I have experienced it that way in multiple different areas. Just because you haven’t experienced it that way doesn’t mean it’s not true. It doesn’t impact the delivery of quality healthcare, which is the point of the discussion. I agree with you about the gowns, in America you generally get a hospital gown every time you will be examined without clothes , which is completely unnecessary. I’m very much in favor of the German healthcare system. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
@@travelingexpats I still say it is wrong, here in Bremen, Niedersachsen, I have never had that what you describe, never.
Holy crap, my iron infusion with German Insurance cost EUR 10 🤯
@@eastfrisian_88 Wow!! It’s unbelievably expensive in the USA. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
I wish I only spent $1100 a year per person. 😪
@@christineb1464 I know. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
i see my doctor around 10 times a year.....why pay for it??
my longest vacation, 8 weeks..
longest sickness staying home 14 months!
...still had my job coming back to work!
@@Arltratlo Nice! Good for you living the good life. Thanks for watching.
Leipzig , what you discribe are remnants of GDR. Not typical for all of Germany.
@@weinhainde2550 English speaking doctors, short waiting times and good service are remnants of the GDR? We’ve received health care in Bavaria and Rheinland-Pfalz as well and they were much the same as our experience in Leipzig. Thanks for watching and taking the time to share your thoughts.
Wake up America!I am from Austria
@@vienna_bjorn707 Hello! Austria, lovely country. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
And yet the German system is under severe stress due to an aging society and low skilled immigrants not paying into the insurance but getting service payed by it.
@@gargoyle7863 It’s definitely a difficult situation, no doubt. Thanks for watching!
the money is spent on profit xD
@@reinoldi1097 Unfortunately you are correct. Thanks for watching!
Healthcare have not to be a business.
@@assellator Exactly. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@travelingexpats You are welcome..👍
Is there anything good about America apart from Music, Movies and Musicals ????
@@afri-dancer9967 There are many wonderful things in America, but certainly not everything is good. Thanks for watching and taking the time to comment.
Star Trek (the old one ;-) ); John Lewis, the jazz pianist; Hillary Hahn, the violinist, to name only a few of many. Oh s..., did you say apart from music and movies? ;-)
OK, Asimov, Twain, and Travelingexpats. ;-)
Traveling Immigrant ?
@@veryincognito6776 Perhaps, makes no difference to me what you refer to me as. Thanks for watching and commenting.
@@travelingexpatsseen from germany you Are definitiv an Immigranten online seen from TH-cam Homepage country you are an expat.
The differential of medical costs is absolutely INSANE! Mind you that when comparing national health-care costs between foreign nations, you have to equally consider population size...also Germany is a democratic socialist nation, where on average, Germans pay more taxes per ca pita than Americans do. But based on your guys experience in Germany (Leipzig), it would seem as though there are also drawbacks to socialized medicine...I wonder if that's the same in all of Germany's 16 federal states?
We feel the drawbacks are very minimal compared with the cost and outcome advantages. We also paid much less in taxes than most people seem to think. From our perspective, the German system is far superior to what we have in the U.S. Of course everyone has a different perspective and experiences. Thanks for watching and sharing your thoughts.
Germany (3rd largest economy in the world) is NOT a socialist nation. It's staunchly capitalist, but following the principles of Rhine Capitalism based on ideas stemming, among others, from the Catholic social teaching (see wikipedia). Also, yes, those experiences may well be local and due to the east of Germany having transitioned from a completely different system and hospitals being under state supervision. So I wouldn't rule that out.
Also, Germany does NOT have socialized medicine. Hospitals are not owned or operated by the state. Many are privately owned, others by the church, others by the local city or town. Doctors' practices are private enterprises. And statuory health insurances are NOT owned or controlled by the state. The term "socialized" is even less applicable to countries like Switzerland or the Netherlands where insurances are private but have to follow strict regulations.
If you are looking for something that fits the term a bit more, you would have to look at the British NHS. But even that is not quite correct. Better don't use the term at all as it is a propaganda term created by the corporate US health industry to stoke fear of universal healthcare many decades ago.
P.S.:"you have to equally consider population size"
You are right, just in the wrong direction. If anything, a *larger* population makes things CHEAPER. It's called scale effect. But basically, it doesn't matter much whether you have 8, 80 or 800 millon people. That "size" myth is also nothing but corporate propaganda that has been proven wrong again and again. If people WANT universal healthcare, they can have it. And population size is neither a pro nor a con.
@@mogon721 Great Information. This is very helpful and articulated nicely. Thank you so much for watching and sharing your knowledge on this topic.
Your comment is absolute nonsense and does not correspond to the facts.
Firstly, Germany is a democracy and not a socialist state. You, like most Americans, confuse that with social because you don't learn the difference in school.
Secondly, what the US Americans always reject is that we pay a little more in taxes, but they probably didn't learn to do the math in the USA, because if you were to take a calculator to hand, you would realize that you pay a lot more out of your own pocket. And that is the American system of exploitation. It seems to me that the Americans prefer to pay less taxes, but in return let themselves be ripped off elsewhere and pay out of their own pockets until they are financially bankrupt. When will you learn to do the math.
I have seen so many comparisons on taxation, If you arent in the richtest 1% you are likely to pay less Tax in Europe , by Like a few percentage points . Yes we earn less but marmelade costs 3$ not 16$. Foremost prices for vegetables seem to be whack in the States.
Healthcare is insane in the US. My aunt and cousin came back to Malaysia when they needed procedures. After paying flights and medical here, they saved thousands and received top class medical treatment. I can understand why. Here in Europe is just as cheap too but healthcare in Malaysia is amazing and it’s no wonder why so many foreigners get to Malaysia for healthcare. It’s fast, efficient and affordable. Same for dental as well. Your video is so informative 😊Regards to you and Betty 🤍
We have heard about the great and affordable healthcare in Malaysia. I know some people schedule their travels so they can be in Malaysia to get needed treatment. Thank you for watching!
@ Have a lovely weekend