Normally, having this stuff explained so simply would feel condescending and kind of offensive, but the way you deliver it, you seem excited to walk people through it and concerned for others' wellbeing. Very well done.
Hello Alex, I'm from Taiwan. Early 2019, I built my own table saw as well as a cross-cut sled. I routed 2 x parallel grooves on both sides of the saw blade to accommodate T-Tracks for cross-cut sled and another 2 x parallel grooves + 2 x T-Tracks for sliding fence. The 188x103cm table top was laminated with heavy-duty polymer veneer. In order to enjoy a full 55mm (2.16") cutting depth from a 195mm (7.67") blade, the MAKITA 3501NT "Groove Cutter" with high-torque gear box was sunk 29mm deep into a 36mm thick MDF table top. The saw was secured with 2 x 40cm stainless steel bar from the table top and fixed with epoxy putty then covered up with plastic veneer. A Jessem router lift was also attached to the longer end of the table which share the 2 x T-Track lenghtwise as the table saw. There are 8 draws underneath and the 92 kgs table top sits on top of the blue-coated 3mm thick angled steel frame and the frame sits on 4 oversized castors. It served me well in the past 20 months but I still wish I had a sliding table saw sitting on the other side of shop. I will definitely buy one once I move to a larger workshop. Love your videos as always and looking forward to see your next project build video! Robust Chen
This was a fantastic introduction to slider saws! how I learned it as a construction worker in Texas, was it’s the best of a regular table saw 80% of the time, but flipped left to right and sometimes sideways. Shame they’re so specialized and expensive in the US! EDIT: if you’re getting a table saw for the first time, I strongly recommend you get in-person instruction first! Issues like kickback you can understand in concept, but like circular saws, there’s some non-intuitive behaviors in detail or context that’s extremely difficult to get your head around without hands-on experience
I live in Canada and i am a cabinet maker. And have been working in the trade fore more than 20 years now and have used or seen at least 10 or maybe more different models of sliding table saws with and without scoring blades on them awesome saws
Your explanation of the kick back was very good. Basically, a piece of wood like that should be on a sled or the mitre square. No fence. Dad was a shop teacher and drilled that in my head. Thank you for showing your sliding table saw and explaining its use.
I live and worked as a cabinetmaker for 35 years in the US and we used 10' sliding table saws. We purchased them when we needed to make a higher quality cabinet because we needed square parts and sheets goods do not always come square. The fence on a 10' machine should always be at head of the table so you push into it, once you get use to it, it is very natural. As far as price goes if you want to build quality you have to have the right tools
Not just quality,but accuracy and speed too.The scoring blade is a huge plus when cutting veneers and melamines and a panel saw is much faster and more accurate than any American type cabinet saw and even a track saw. ANy serious cabinet maker should either have a panel saw or CNC machine for cutting carcass parts which is the way many are going.
Great video, seeing people cross cut against the fence gives me the creeps every time! So good to educate the newer woodworkers rather than them learning the hard way!
@Slim Savage I get what you're saying, but kickback is no joke bro, your hands can't hold onto that wood if the blade grabs it. I had a little incident with my router table once where I fed it the wrong direction, because same as you, I too was a youtube taught woodworker, and I wasn't paying very close attention during class, so in practice, I made some mistakes too, and this was one of the big ones, my tiny little router table grabbed a small piece I was trying to put a rabbet on, and flung it SO hard across my shop, it dented my cupboards, I'm rather glad I followed at least one rule and wasn't standing to either side of it because that could have hurt me pretty bad. Table saws are much more powerful and have much more surface area than a router bit to grab onto that wood and sling it at you, be very careful bro. Also, list it for sale on FB marketplace, it's rife with idiots bargain hunting, so you will find someone to take it off your hands.
@D. Lindsay It is not if you will experience kickback sometime in the future it is when so I recommend to stop. Use a circular saw and a speed square as a straight edge for those boards that you can not crosscut.
The point made @12:28 is GOLD and I hope everyone watches that who stumbles upon this video. To ALWAYS set the parallel fence BEHIND the blade when used in combination with the perpendicular sled will certainly save a lot of people from serious injury. Of course this whole video is really great, but that is a seriously important point.
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What a great table saw, never seen one like it before and I served in Germany for 4 years, and the wood shop on base had a regular North American style. Saw Stop is not the only one now, Bosch has one out that is supposed to be as good. The o ly difference is the Bosch saw doesn't destroy your blade, as a charge detonates when it detects flesh and shove the blade all the way down. The other advantage to the Bosch saw is the detonator comes with 2 charges in it so you just turn it around and you're ready to try that again. This info is from what I have read on the internet and I do not have one as they cost as much as a Sawstop, so that put it out of my reach. Just thought you'd like to know.
Just want to say, best explanation of kickback I have come across! Really really easy to understand, love how you drew a parallel to how draws get stuck - it made it very clear.
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You can also rotate the parallel fence 90 degrees so that you touch the workpiece on the small edge, it's meant for being able to tilt the sawblade 45 degrees and move the fence closer without cutting into it, but I liked using the small edge when cutting narrower pieces so my hand can go over the fence when pushing which is more comfortable. I think the best thing for a slider saw is that you can straighten anything, you pick up a piece of wood or plywood or MDF that is all banged up and you just throw it on the sliding table, hold it down, run it past the blade and its perfectly straight and then just cut the other 3 edges. Also about the sawstop, it's great and I'm all for it, but I have heard horror stories of people losing fingers and never touching the blade, the industrial saws are so powerful that the kickback throws the workpiece through your hands and it takes everything in their way including your fingers, which is why it's dangerous to have a work station behind the saw when multiple people are working in the shop, if something is kicked it's gonna fly really hard. In the shop I worked at we made pretty much everything from oak and sometimes it had so much stress in the boards it would try to stall the saws without a riving knife but the saw was too powerful so if the person wouldn't shut off the saw or lift the board up past the blade, it could go flying.
hi alexandre, i'm a tech in the woodworking industrie. different big brands in sliding table saws are adding a sawblade-safety system simular to sawstop (altendorf and felder have it as options for example) but these are only fitted (or optional) on the most expensive models
I have worked on both an Altendorff and an SCM sliding table saw both very nice machines and are great to use. But i find that if you build side tables and an out feed table for a contractors / cabinet style saw with various things like a sled a few “L” fences and the rest that works really well. I find that sliding table saws are great if you are constantly machining sheet stock which i just don’t i build furniture. I have always found that no matter how big your new shop is it is always not big enough when you start to dream. It really boils down to what work you do. you don’t buy a pickup truck if your job is hauling gravel all day you don’t buy a dump truck if you deliver packages for work.
I've given up cabinetmaking now, but when I was active I had a Felder 714 Combination machine. Not only did it have a 2mtr sliding table, but also a planer/thicknesses and tilting spindle moulder. The ease with which Felder accessories be repeatedly moved and always comes back with precise accuracy is down to the solid construction, and I believe unsurpassed by any other manufacturers. It wasn't cheap, I think I paid something in the region £15,000, but that investment soon pays for itself with the time saved setting up the machine, especially important for a combo machine.
It's always interesting to see how things around the world are made or even used differently. You said its 20yrs old but I'm blown away by what to me looks like space age technology lol Thanks for sharing
@@traewatkins931 My uncle was a carpenter in the states and lost some fingers on a table saw. Due to this I’ve stayed away from carpentry, especially since I love playing the guitar. Fast forward 30 years, and here I am looking for safer alternatives.
I have used a huge Felder (new) at Marc Adams School of Woodworking in Indiana. It is a wonderful saw...but with a huge footprint. For specific tasks it is a great advantage. Great review and thanks for posting!
Alexandre - Thanks for taking the time to answer questions about your saw from myself and others. I live in southern California, have a 25 year old "monolithic" Delta contractor's saw, which does benefit from minimal to no adjustments, plus a nice, solid crosscut sled I made. It sounds like a tracksaw is my next project, and I'll leave movable-top saws to people with more shop space than me. I've spent a significant fraction of my life in Zug and Lucerne ("Grüezi!"), and Breda NL, but unfortunately not at a time in my life when I was making contact with Makers. Thanks, by the way, for doing everything in metric!
Steve Johnson Zug, Lucerne, Breda? I know what company you work for. 🙂 And yes, a track saw is a must have for making accurate cuts when breaking down plywood.
Steve, sorry you didn't know me. I recently retired and moved from So. Cal and sold my panel saw ! I sold it to a contractor in Ontario ! I did purchase a Makita track saw to fill my retirement mode though !
I switched to a sliding table saw a coupe of years ago and will never go back. Mine is the cheaper Shop Fox W1811, but with an annual tune up to keep things aligned it works great. The only downsides: it takes up a 10' x 12' area for full motion capability with a full sheet of plywood on it, and it does take a little time to get your work processes changed. But if you have the space there is nothing like using one, I've built a simple little jig for cutting small parts on it and it works a charm.
Im fine and didnt get injured, but I watched only regular table saw safety videos before using a friends saw like you have. I didnt know that you should not use both fences at the same time, as you mentioned at 12:36. I was lucky to get away with that situation just with couple scares and ruined material (at least for sizes needed for that project). Once I learned my mistake I really liked the saw and I totaly agree that this type of sliding saw is better and in many cases safer.
15:07 This is why I like the concept of sliding table right up against the blade. With all the cabinet saw sliding add-ons, the slide portion is miles away from the blade, and the gap has to be bridged by the miter bar. I feel like there is some kind of loss of stiffness or some loss there. As well, the obvious loss is doing a rip cut off the sliding table, say if you were straightening a 2 x 4 or something, you would just have nothing to firmly attach it to on the cabinet saw slider. Whereas on a European saw, you could attach quite a thin-width piece and straighten it.
Great video! The weird thing about the larger sliding saws like you used previously, is that the crosscut fence is actually on the opposite side - you push against it with the wood, instead of pushing the wood with the fence. I believe the reason for this is that its much easier to load up full sheets from the back and cut them this way, which is crucial in a fast paced production environment where a lot of cuts are being made. Those large sliding saws are by far the fastest way to cut sheet goods with high accuracy - much more efficient than the "rough cut with a circular saw and then refine the dimensions with a table saw" method most DIYers use. But keep in mind - these big saws aren't only huge, they're also expensive. Often 10x more expensive than a DIY table saw, job site saw or track saw of decent quality. This efficiency matters when you cut 100s of sheets, not for a home gamer. I think for a hobbyist, the size Alexandre shows here (and also the saw used by Marius H in his videos) is the ideal size enjoying the best of both worlds. Most importantly - as safe as sliding saws can be, no table saw is foolproof. My dad has been a carpenter for over 30 years, works exclusively with a top tier full size sliding saw, and still over his career managed to snag fingers on a spinning blade twice, both requiring ER visits and stitches. No machine can guarantee safety.
1. You can swap the fence so u dont need to press your wood against it 2. this type of table saws arent that expensive. I have the same saw just with an 3m sliding table and Ive bought it for 2000€.
Love the sliding top. I wish I had one in my shop, but the budget and the floor space won't allow it. Thanks for showing us around the saw though. Really well done!
Nice video my friend, when I lived in Europe this was the type of the saw we were using in the shop, in my opinion these are the best saws ever, very accurate and built for production work. Keep up the good work.
I dont know if you have one, but for flimsy long panels you can make a foldable sawhorse with roller on top at the exact height of your tablesaw. You put it at the end of your guide to support longer panels. Only for panels
@@danielmunch9568 I know, my company has 12. Profit H500 MT, Kappa Auto, Tempora F400. But the Kappa table saws (which we don't have) are just the same as Felder saws but with a larger capacity and setup automation added to it.
Instead of building a sled for cutting short pieces, you can also clamp a piece of wood (higher than the height of the saw) to the moving fence extending beyond the saw to support them
A great video! Not a lot of this type of info available, especially in the US, which is why I started a channel that's featuring a Hammer B3 unit. I was just about to buy a SawStop when I decided to really research sliding table saws and I ended up with a Hammer. While the Hammer costs more and I had to wait a while for it (thanks Covid!), I'm glad I bought it. I'd repeat in a heartbeat.
I agree that there's not much info out here in the US and that's actually why I'm going to start a channel featuring a Minimax C 26G. I've been waiting for it to come from Italy for the past 6mo (thanks again COVID). I was about to buy a set of Laguna machines but stumbled across the Hammer series by accident...went down a rabbit hole and several dozen emails later I ended up with one machine that does it all. Definitely can't wait to try mine out. I'm glad you like your B3! Great machine!
Wally West, I will love to see your machine in action. I appreciate modern 5-function machines, and the Mini Max caught my eye! If you start a channel, I pledge to subscribe! Best of luck!
@@leehaelters6182 I had the MiniMax Technomax for years and loved it ! I recently retired and sold it, but never had any problems with it. Stayed accurate for all ten years that I used it. Customer service was better with them than with Felder and the price was quite a bit less too ! Grizzly also makes a compact sliding panel saw that you might want to check out as well.
Saws like the larger one you showed with the telescoping arm under to support the weight out wide are or at least were standard fare in non-CNC joinery shops making kitchens and bathrooms and other stuff like that from MDF or whatever else. I grew up with access to those kinds of table saws and won't buy a table saw until I can afford one like that. For cutting big sheets with just one person, nothing touches them. By far the best.
I had a Sawstop 5hp Industrial model, with the sliding table option. It was one of 3 table saws in my shop. It was excellent in every way. My observation was the sliding table was great, particularly for breaking down sheet goods. It also excelled cutting tenons. However, it did limit or obviated some of my favorite shop-made and purchased fixtures. Also, since I had an excellent sliding compound miter saw it offered little advantage for cross cutting rails, stiles, etc.. In practice I used a premium crosscut blade on my miter saws and premium rip or combination blades on the Sawstop. For the production environment, the sliding table can be a huge advantage, but for my widely varying needs it’s advantage was not worth the expense. I would not likely I’d buy one again. For the, hobbyist, who adapts the table saw to mimic certain stand-alone machines the sliding table can be a showstopper. I can’t make a “blanket” recommendation either way for a hobbyist. Each woodworker needs to carefully assess their needs and make an informed decision.
15:01 Felder has their own rapid-response blade retracting system in their higher-end machines, based on optical recognition of a hand moving toward the blade, as opposed to SawStop's electronic contact detection. Might want to look that up.
Here in Brazil we have both types of saws. This kind you shown is known as "esquadrejadeira" in portuguese, which would be something like a "squarer" in english, so "a saw to make the boards square", as you said. Very nice.
That's true... We do have Felder dealer here in Brazil, but unfortunately the prices became unpractical forcing us to use some "not so good quality" ones... BTW. A very good way to adjust the squareness is by using the 5 cuts method.
The only times I’ve wanted a sliding table is when I have to cut a dado on a really long awkward piece that’s too big for a sled. It’s very difficult to keep large workpieces square against the fence AND provide downward force to keep dado depth consistent simultaneously.
There is a little company in Italy, Rimini that also makes a few sliding table saws: SCM. Change subject, if you are eating lunch and do that much movement with your hands there may be lots of food all over the table and floor. I have the Felder shaper and really like the performance and I understand your enthusiasm.
@@subhanmughal1468 Tell you what.. I am putting together a prototype that I used a fairly decent Ridgid table saw for the wood parts... NOT SQUARE! GAH!! WTF? Definitely spending the money on a good sliding table saw.
My Ridgid Cast Iron table saw also had the motor and thus the blade at an off angle, instead of straight, could not get it loose to correct it, was supposed to take it in for service ... returned it.
the best safety tool people who got hurt forgot to use is the brain. either they got distracted, stressed, or something else.. And as far as i know Festool also integrated the saw stop technology very recently. Still a very very useful video i recommend people watching :) thumbs up and one more subscription !
Realmente grandioso saber que tengas la cualidad de explicar muy claramente detalle a detalle, tus tutoriales . Te lo dice un varon de 50 años de edad. DIOS te bendiga.
8:30 There's another trick as well, which I use whenever I can't see if the diagonals are the exact same (such as micrometer differences which can't be measured with a measuring tape. Just take an angle iron and push it up against the corners. If there's a gap between any of the sides of the angle iron and your work piece, then the piece is still crooked. The angle iron has to sit perfectly flat against the piece in order for it to be perfectly square. This trick also works with rounded corners, given your angle iron is long enough.
Super informative video and I especially liked the safety tips! :) I'm always afraid to use a table saw because I know they're dangerous AND because I don't have much experience yet. Well I guess it's better to be afraid than overconfident.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
That is a very nice saw. In my opinion the best table saw currently available is the martin t75 prex. It can do bevel cuts both directions and has vacuum work holding options.
Whenever I see a smaller sliding table saw it always makes me wonder if I should get one. Outside of some of the cons you mentioned though the main ones for me (and I would assume any hobbyist woodworker) are price and footprint. Especially for US buyers who can rarely find the smaller versions second hand, the saws are extremely expensive compared to even Sawstops. Second while the non-moving footprint may be similar in order to take advantage of the sliding functions you need essentially twice the floor space if not more. Unfortunately it simply makes more sense to get a standard table saw and for anything bigger just use a track saw. Loved the explanations though :)
Ciao Alexandre You forget 100% italian production, with SCM Minimax, really popular around Europe and super good machine! I walked in the factory a couple of weeks ago... love it !!
A couple things you missed. One big plus to sliding table saw is the scoring blade. It is a small blade infront of the cutting blade. It completely eliminates the tear out you always get on plywood. Now two negatives. Depending on the brand of saw you have it can be very difficult to get a zero clearance insert. I have a Robland combanation machine. And make my own. It is not fun. Next negative is again depending on the machine. On some you may not be able to put a stack dado on it. They have looked down on stacked dado's in the uk for years. But they are starting to come around.
15:00 Felder does have what they call PCS on their high-end Format4 550 e-motion PCS. It works in the same way as a SawStop but it doesn't need a new cartridge. It can be reset by pressing a button. Love your videos
Festool also came out with a saw that has the same technology. Extremely expensive ofc. Bosch made a system called reaxx but they for sued from SawStop for infringing patents.
We have a saw stop industrial at my shop and it has a sliding piece that you can buy that is way smaller than the one you showed but it’s not as compact as yours.
You used the word, “repeatable”, something we do not hear enough. Respect to you. I know the metric system but many listeners struggle with it. 120 cm?
Bosch's Reaxx line of saws has tech similar to a Saw Stop, but even better, because you don't damage your blade. Unfortuantely, SawStop sued to stop Bosch from selling them in the US, while lobbying the government to try to make their own tech mandatory on saws, by law. I don't know if things have changed, but it put SawStop in a bad light, to me.
SawStop successfully defended their patent in court--as any patent holder has the right to do. Government lobbying had nothing to do with it. Felder's PCS technology works by a totally different mechanism (magnetic rather than electrical resistance) and not likely to violate SawStop's patent.
@@geraldyungling3334 the lobbying was a separate point where they tried to get the government to force everyone to license their patent by making saws without that sort of safety feature illegal.
@@benjaminlorrig9299 Yeah that's called trying to have a monopoly then charge anything they want for the product. It says a lot about how greedy the SawStop people are.
SawStop is now owned by Festool but they still do not sell their table saws into Europe or UK. Festool do sell in Europe a contractors saw using the SawStop technology. It is maybe worth pointing out that using a sliding saw like a Fedler normal saw practice does place your hands well away from the blade.
Well Gass who invented the saw stop device spent for years being blown off by USA saw manufacturers to the point 4 years later he decided to manufacture saw stop saws.
I love my Felder K700. A bit expensive until you realize how safe and how much you can get done. Also, the resale on these type of saws are amazing. By the way, I'm not selling my Felder. Too good a saw.
Love the video and the explanation about all the good uses. I especially like how narrow and compact this style of table saw is. My only concern is..how do I put my dado stack in there?
The Saw-Stop part wasn't really true for two reasons: The first one is, festool actually has sawstop included in some of theire newer tablesaws. The second one: Felder, Altendorf and most of the other manufacterers of sliding table saws have SawStop in their bigger models. Those are actually capacitive instead of resistive (sawstop is resistive). That means the Blade retracts even before you touch it, you don't even get a scratch. Also, their systems don't destroy the blade and break - the saw just has to be turned on again. Of course, those are machines for big shops and industry.
Festool licensed Sawstop tech from Sawstop. I'm interested un your other comment, though. Isn't tjlhe capacitive technology the one Bosch uses, I think it is called reaxx or something like that. I hade the impression it was not as good as sawstop's tech. Do you have a link to an article where I can read more about it?
When a company says it saves fingers, but then patents the tech and make a lot of people loose fingers on tables of other brands, then tell me, does that company save fingers? The patent prohibits other companies to invent the same thing, and most of these inventions are only a matter of time before discovery. (I was not familiar with this material, but from your comment I guess the licensing is probably an expensive ordeal) To me, I like the Volvo way much better: Invents seatbelts and gives the patent to the world, allowing every car manufacturer to reduce deaths in it's vehicles. Shout out to Volvo!
Yeah..thats kinda a dick move by Sawstop..I appreciate my fingers, and would like to keep them, but I don't have 3k to spend to pay their extortion monies.
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Probably a bunch of my obtuse fellow Americans stuck on 'American cabinet saws' that don't trust communist Europe. We clearly don't fund our education system appropriately.
In Germany we only use format tablesaws. They're the best. The US are constantly building stops, sliding jigs and other gismos to compensate for not having a formatsaw.
Wow, that Felder alternative actually looks better than saw stop. -- Like it doesn't destroy the tablesaw, and it triggers before the contact. That's neat.
@@Wachpwnskiyou do not have to be a liberal to accidentally drop a piece of wood on top of a spinning blade. That offcut will fly like a bullet. Safety accident data proves that. That is why that guard is legal requirement in most European countries.
Thanks, and a great video! Sawstop now makes a sliding tablesaw, but considering the price, I’ve decided to buy a Festool cordless tracksaw and their folding sawing table. Takes up less room, costs 1/3 the price (or 1/2 with dust collection), and works in the Home Depot parking lot to cut pieces that fit in my truckbed. And by keeping my hands above the saw, I still get to keep all my fingers. Also, it appears that Festool has licensed Sawstop technology, but I doubt they will sell them in the US… though if anyone can figure out how to make a tracksaw that instantly shuts off before it cuts your finger off, it’s probably Festool.
SawStop does not make a sliding table saw. They have sliding table extensions that attach to a traditional cabinet saw. Doesn't work quite the same since the slider isn't right up against the blade.
Another checking for square technique you can use is the 3-4-5 technique. Good for really large pieces that is difficult to do diagonal measurements. Basically on each corner measure 3 units one side and 4 units the other side (creating 2 sides of a right triangle) and measure the distance between the two measurements (the hypotenuse) and it should be 5 units. Opposing right triangles make the piece square. Practical use of Pythagorean theorem. :)
That's what I used before I bought a sliding saw like this. Does the same work with much less fuss and better repeatability, not the same budget though!
Brilliant take on the current state of the tech. Super useful for people looking for their first saw. I also hope there are more options for the euro-style sliding table in combination with some blade-stop technology. No woodworker should lose a finger because they're tired and the lawyers couldn't figure out how to propagate safety.
Felder offers a superior safety system. It will engage the system before your finger touches and it won't ruin your blade. It works off of electro magnets. At this time it's only offered in the Format 4 commercial grade. In the US it's around $30,000.00 USD.
Here in North America, we’re pretty stupid and use cabinet saws. A few of us are smart. I just bought a felder 700S with the 3 metre table. I built a fritz and Franz jig for it and I use it all the time.
I believe that Felder now makes a saw that has a similar feature to a SawStop but doesn't require replacing the expensive cartridge and blade if the devise is triggered. Unfortunately Felder saws are very expensive here in Canada.
The SCMI MiniMax line of panel saws comes standard with the ability to use a dado blade up to I think it's 15/16" of an inch. I know because I had one! You just can't do any angle cuts with the dado blade.
good to finaly see a type of table saw i'm used to on a youtube video.... funny thing is, we had the same model .. in the design school i did my masters :-)
1. Great video 2. Who spent the whole video trying to figure out his accent? I hear American, Scottish and some European accents mixed. Im truly amazed and have never heard that combo. Super cool!
By the looks of it, that is far superior than what we have here in the us. You just have so much more ability to rip bigger sheets of wood and you almost don't even need a sled
Being from the U.S. sliding table saw are available, have been for a good number of years now. To be fair, it's best to have both, traditional TS and a sliding TS. Never been a fan of sawstop since they were trying to force other manufacturers go to their style of TS. Cheers :)
This was really cool just to see a different style of saw and your reasons for using it. I don't necessarily need a tablesaw but always enjoy hearing the rationale for why a tool is a great tool for the job, especially from someone who does the job well. Keep up the great videos, they are varied in content and style but all so interesting and entertaining.
As noted by others both Felder and Griggio (UNICA Safe) offer (expensive) saws that have flesh protecting features which are arguably better than Sawstop. Festool does have a very small table saw released in Europe using the Sawstop tech they got when they bought Sawstop. Other pros of sliders, many have a second scoring blade to reduce veneer chip out. Cons: sliders take a lot of space, a PIA when the roller bearings or alignment go out, and most older ones do not allow dado set use.
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Normally, having this stuff explained so simply would feel condescending and kind of offensive, but the way you deliver it, you seem excited to walk people through it and concerned for others' wellbeing. Very well done.
Hello Alex, I'm from Taiwan. Early 2019, I built my own table saw as well as a cross-cut sled. I routed 2 x parallel grooves on both sides of the saw blade to accommodate T-Tracks for cross-cut sled and another 2 x parallel grooves + 2 x T-Tracks for sliding fence. The 188x103cm table top was laminated with heavy-duty polymer veneer. In order to enjoy a full 55mm (2.16") cutting depth from a 195mm (7.67") blade, the MAKITA 3501NT "Groove Cutter" with high-torque gear box was sunk 29mm deep into a 36mm thick MDF table top. The saw was secured with 2 x 40cm stainless steel bar from the table top and fixed with epoxy putty then covered up with plastic veneer. A Jessem router lift was also attached to the longer end of the table which share the 2 x T-Track lenghtwise as the table saw. There are 8 draws underneath and the 92 kgs table top sits on top of the blue-coated 3mm thick angled steel frame and the frame sits on 4 oversized castors. It served me well in the past 20 months but I still wish I had a sliding table saw sitting on the other side of shop. I will definitely buy one once I move to a larger workshop.
Love your videos as always and looking forward to see your next project build video! Robust Chen
This was a fantastic introduction to slider saws! how I learned it as a construction worker in Texas, was it’s the best of a regular table saw 80% of the time, but flipped left to right and sometimes sideways. Shame they’re so specialized and expensive in the US!
EDIT: if you’re getting a table saw for the first time, I strongly recommend you get in-person instruction first! Issues like kickback you can understand in concept, but like circular saws, there’s some non-intuitive behaviors in detail or context that’s extremely difficult to get your head around without hands-on experience
I live in Canada and i am a cabinet maker. And have been working in the trade fore more than 20 years now and have used or seen at least 10 or maybe more different models of sliding table saws with and without scoring blades on them awesome saws
Your explanation of the kick back was very good. Basically, a piece of wood like that should be on a sled or the mitre square. No fence. Dad was a shop teacher and drilled that in my head.
Thank you for showing your sliding table saw and explaining its use.
I live and worked as a cabinetmaker for 35 years in the US and we used 10' sliding table saws. We purchased them when we needed to make a higher quality cabinet because we needed square parts and sheets goods do not always come square. The fence on a 10' machine should always be at head of the table so you push into it, once you get use to it, it is very natural. As far as price goes if you want to build quality you have to have the right tools
Not just quality,but accuracy and speed too.The scoring blade is a huge plus when cutting veneers and melamines and a panel saw is much faster and more accurate than any American type cabinet saw and even a track saw. ANy serious cabinet maker should either have a panel saw or CNC machine for cutting carcass parts which is the way many are going.
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Great video, seeing people cross cut against the fence gives me the creeps every time! So good to educate the newer woodworkers rather than them learning the hard way!
Oof. That’s just asking for trouble.
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@Slim Savage I get what you're saying, but kickback is no joke bro, your hands can't hold onto that wood if the blade grabs it. I had a little incident with my router table once where I fed it the wrong direction, because same as you, I too was a youtube taught woodworker, and I wasn't paying very close attention during class, so in practice, I made some mistakes too, and this was one of the big ones, my tiny little router table grabbed a small piece I was trying to put a rabbet on, and flung it SO hard across my shop, it dented my cupboards, I'm rather glad I followed at least one rule and wasn't standing to either side of it because that could have hurt me pretty bad. Table saws are much more powerful and have much more surface area than a router bit to grab onto that wood and sling it at you, be very careful bro.
Also, list it for sale on FB marketplace, it's rife with idiots bargain hunting, so you will find someone to take it off your hands.
@D. Lindsay It is not if you will experience kickback sometime in the future it is when so I recommend to stop. Use a circular saw and a speed square as a straight edge for those boards that you can not crosscut.
I really like your editing style. Jump-cutting the video while keeping the audio flowing is amazing!
The point made @12:28 is GOLD and I hope everyone watches that who stumbles upon this video. To ALWAYS set the parallel fence BEHIND the blade when used in combination with the perpendicular sled will certainly save a lot of people from serious injury. Of course this whole video is really great, but that is a seriously important point.
Alexandre, you could have mentioned the Fritz and Franz jig, which is commonly used for sawing small pieces on sliding tablesaws.
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What a great table saw, never seen one like it before and I served in Germany for 4 years, and the wood shop on base had a regular North American style. Saw Stop is not the only one now, Bosch has one out that is supposed to be as good. The o ly difference is the Bosch saw doesn't destroy your blade, as a charge detonates when it detects flesh and shove the blade all the way down. The other advantage to the Bosch saw is the detonator comes with 2 charges in it so you just turn it around and you're ready to try that again. This info is from what I have read on the internet and I do not have one as they cost as much as a Sawstop, so that put it out of my reach. Just thought you'd like to know.
Just want to say, best explanation of kickback I have come across! Really really easy to understand, love how you drew a parallel to how draws get stuck - it made it very clear.
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You can also rotate the parallel fence 90 degrees so that you touch the workpiece on the small edge, it's meant for being able to tilt the sawblade 45 degrees and move the fence closer without cutting into it, but I liked using the small edge when cutting narrower pieces so my hand can go over the fence when pushing which is more comfortable.
I think the best thing for a slider saw is that you can straighten anything, you pick up a piece of wood or plywood or MDF that is all banged up and you just throw it on the sliding table, hold it down, run it past the blade and its perfectly straight and then just cut the other 3 edges. Also about the sawstop, it's great and I'm all for it, but I have heard horror stories of people losing fingers and never touching the blade, the industrial saws are so powerful that the kickback throws the workpiece through your hands and it takes everything in their way including your fingers, which is why it's dangerous to have a work station behind the saw when multiple people are working in the shop, if something is kicked it's gonna fly really hard. In the shop I worked at we made pretty much everything from oak and sometimes it had so much stress in the boards it would try to stall the saws without a riving knife but the saw was too powerful so if the person wouldn't shut off the saw or lift the board up past the blade, it could go flying.
hi alexandre, i'm a tech in the woodworking industrie. different big brands in sliding table saws are adding a sawblade-safety system simular to sawstop (altendorf and felder have it as options for example) but these are only fitted (or optional) on the most expensive models
I have worked on both an Altendorff and an SCM sliding table saw both very nice machines and are great to use. But i find that if you build side tables and an out feed table for a contractors / cabinet style saw with various things like a sled a few “L” fences and the rest that works really well. I find that sliding table saws are great if you are constantly machining sheet stock which i just don’t i build furniture. I have always found that no matter how big your new shop is it is always not big enough when you start to dream. It really boils down to what work you do. you don’t buy a pickup truck if your job is hauling gravel all day you don’t buy a dump truck if you deliver packages for work.
you can combine your sliding table fence with your rip fence to cut small pieces. as long as you have your rip fence before the saw blade.
I've given up cabinetmaking now, but when I was active I had a Felder 714 Combination machine. Not only did it have a 2mtr sliding table, but also a planer/thicknesses and tilting spindle moulder. The ease with which Felder accessories be repeatedly moved and always comes back with precise accuracy is down to the solid construction, and I believe unsurpassed by any other manufacturers.
It wasn't cheap, I think I paid something in the region £15,000, but that investment soon pays for itself with the time saved setting up the machine, especially important for a combo machine.
I've spent the better part of this lockdown watching your videos! Super informative and inspirational all at once!
It's always interesting to see how things around the world are made or even used differently. You said its 20yrs old but I'm blown away by what to me looks like space age technology lol Thanks for sharing
shows just how backwards we sometimes are here in the US.
@@traewatkins931 My uncle was a carpenter in the states and lost some fingers on a table saw. Due to this I’ve stayed away from carpentry, especially since I love playing the guitar. Fast forward 30 years, and here I am looking for safer alternatives.
I have used a huge Felder (new) at Marc Adams School of Woodworking in Indiana. It is a wonderful saw...but with a huge footprint. For specific tasks it is a great advantage. Great review and thanks for posting!
Alexandre - Thanks for taking the time to answer questions about your saw from myself and others. I live in southern California, have a 25 year old "monolithic" Delta contractor's saw, which does benefit from minimal to no adjustments, plus a nice, solid crosscut sled I made. It sounds like a tracksaw is my next project, and I'll leave movable-top saws to people with more shop space than me.
I've spent a significant fraction of my life in Zug and Lucerne ("Grüezi!"), and Breda NL, but unfortunately not at a time in my life when I was making contact with Makers.
Thanks, by the way, for doing everything in metric!
Steve Johnson Zug, Lucerne, Breda? I know what company you work for. 🙂 And yes, a track saw is a must have for making accurate cuts when breaking down plywood.
@@jeanchapman1301 :-) Hi, Jean - I imagine you do. Had a great time while I was there, and really appreciative of my patient and tolerant family.
Steve, sorry you didn't know me. I recently retired and moved from So. Cal and sold my panel saw ! I sold it to a contractor in Ontario ! I did purchase a Makita track saw to fill my retirement mode though !
I switched to a sliding table saw a coupe of years ago and will never go back. Mine is the cheaper Shop Fox W1811, but with an annual tune up to keep things aligned it works great. The only downsides: it takes up a 10' x 12' area for full motion capability with a full sheet of plywood on it, and it does take a little time to get your work processes changed. But if you have the space there is nothing like using one, I've built a simple little jig for cutting small parts on it and it works a charm.
Im fine and didnt get injured, but I watched only regular table saw safety videos before using a friends saw like you have. I didnt know that you should not use both fences at the same time, as you mentioned at 12:36. I was lucky to get away with that situation just with couple scares and ruined material (at least for sizes needed for that project). Once I learned my mistake I really liked the saw and I totaly agree that this type of sliding saw is better and in many cases safer.
15:07 This is why I like the concept of sliding table right up against the blade. With all the cabinet saw sliding add-ons, the slide portion is miles away from the blade, and the gap has to be bridged by the miter bar. I feel like there is some kind of loss of stiffness or some loss there. As well, the obvious loss is doing a rip cut off the sliding table, say if you were straightening a 2 x 4 or something, you would just have nothing to firmly attach it to on the cabinet saw slider. Whereas on a European saw, you could attach quite a thin-width piece and straighten it.
Your comments and pointers were very helpful. Well done.
Very clear and easy to understand. Excellent vid. Subscribed.
I have the combined machine from Felder, the BF6-40 since 1993 and its an extremely well built machine.
Great video! The weird thing about the larger sliding saws like you used previously, is that the crosscut fence is actually on the opposite side - you push against it with the wood, instead of pushing the wood with the fence. I believe the reason for this is that its much easier to load up full sheets from the back and cut them this way, which is crucial in a fast paced production environment where a lot of cuts are being made. Those large sliding saws are by far the fastest way to cut sheet goods with high accuracy - much more efficient than the "rough cut with a circular saw and then refine the dimensions with a table saw" method most DIYers use.
But keep in mind - these big saws aren't only huge, they're also expensive. Often 10x more expensive than a DIY table saw, job site saw or track saw of decent quality. This efficiency matters when you cut 100s of sheets, not for a home gamer. I think for a hobbyist, the size Alexandre shows here (and also the saw used by Marius H in his videos) is the ideal size enjoying the best of both worlds.
Most importantly - as safe as sliding saws can be, no table saw is foolproof. My dad has been a carpenter for over 30 years, works exclusively with a top tier full size sliding saw, and still over his career managed to snag fingers on a spinning blade twice, both requiring ER visits and stitches. No machine can guarantee safety.
1. You can swap the fence so u dont need to press your wood against it
2. this type of table saws arent that expensive. I have the same saw just with an 3m sliding table and Ive bought it for 2000€.
@@danielmunch9568 a full sized one new costs about $10,000 where I live, and second hand aren't much cheaper as only large shops buy them
Love the sliding top. I wish I had one in my shop, but the budget and the floor space won't allow it. Thanks for showing us around the saw though. Really well done!
Nice video my friend, when I lived in Europe this was the type of the saw we were using in the shop, in my opinion these are the best saws ever, very accurate and built for production work. Keep up the good work.
I dont know if you have one, but for flimsy long panels you can make a foldable sawhorse with roller on top at the exact height of your tablesaw. You put it at the end of your guide to support longer panels. Only for panels
Didn't know that we have international known tablesaw manufacturers here in Austria.
Well, the more you know!
And thank you for the great content.
Felder equipment is VERY highly regarded in the US (among those of us who know).
@@paulheitkemper1559 Felder also owns Hammer (affordable for DIY and small business), Format 4 (CNC) and Mayer (automation).
@@mururoa7024 yes. Marius Hornberger uses a Hammer, as I recall.
Muru Roa format 4 is the premium brand of felder.
@@danielmunch9568 I know, my company has 12. Profit H500 MT, Kappa Auto, Tempora F400. But the Kappa table saws (which we don't have) are just the same as Felder saws but with a larger capacity and setup automation added to it.
You have a track in the face of the sliding mechanism, easy to add clamps for short cuts.
Instead of building a sled for cutting short pieces, you can also clamp a piece of wood (higher than the height of the saw) to the moving fence extending beyond the saw to support them
A great video! Not a lot of this type of info available, especially in the US, which is why I started a channel that's featuring a Hammer B3 unit. I was just about to buy a SawStop when I decided to really research sliding table saws and I ended up with a Hammer. While the Hammer costs more and I had to wait a while for it (thanks Covid!), I'm glad I bought it. I'd repeat in a heartbeat.
I agree that there's not much info out here in the US and that's actually why I'm going to start a channel featuring a Minimax C 26G. I've been waiting for it to come from Italy for the past 6mo (thanks again COVID). I was about to buy a set of Laguna machines but stumbled across the Hammer series by accident...went down a rabbit hole and several dozen emails later I ended up with one machine that does it all. Definitely can't wait to try mine out. I'm glad you like your B3! Great machine!
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@@CutitwithaHammer sounds good!
Wally West, I will love to see your machine in action. I appreciate modern 5-function machines, and the Mini Max caught my eye! If you start a channel, I pledge to subscribe! Best of luck!
@@leehaelters6182 I had the MiniMax Technomax for years and loved it ! I recently retired and sold it, but never had any problems with it. Stayed accurate for all ten years that I used it. Customer service was better with them than with Felder and the price was quite a bit less too ! Grizzly also makes a compact sliding panel saw that you might want to check out as well.
Saws like the larger one you showed with the telescoping arm under to support the weight out wide are or at least were standard fare in non-CNC joinery shops making kitchens and bathrooms and other stuff like that from MDF or whatever else. I grew up with access to those kinds of table saws and won't buy a table saw until I can afford one like that. For cutting big sheets with just one person, nothing touches them. By far the best.
Ha, Altendorf is one of the brands I have used in the past :-)
I had a Sawstop 5hp Industrial model, with the sliding table option. It was one of 3 table saws in my shop. It was excellent in every way. My observation was the sliding table was great, particularly for breaking down sheet goods. It also excelled cutting tenons. However, it did limit or obviated some of my favorite shop-made and purchased fixtures. Also, since I had an excellent sliding compound miter saw it offered little advantage for cross cutting rails, stiles, etc.. In practice I used a premium crosscut blade on my miter saws and premium rip or combination blades on the Sawstop. For the production environment, the sliding table can be a huge advantage, but for my widely varying needs it’s advantage was not worth the expense. I would not likely I’d buy one again. For the, hobbyist, who adapts the table saw to mimic certain stand-alone machines the sliding table can be a showstopper. I can’t make a “blanket” recommendation either way for a hobbyist. Each woodworker needs to carefully assess their needs and make an informed decision.
15:01 Felder has their own rapid-response blade retracting system in their higher-end machines, based on optical recognition of a hand moving toward the blade, as opposed to SawStop's electronic contact detection. Might want to look that up.
Glad you mention the sliding table saw. I was so excited about it when i first time saw it in your videos,
Here in Brazil we have both types of saws.
This kind you shown is known as "esquadrejadeira" in portuguese, which would be something like a "squarer" in english, so "a saw to make the boards square", as you said.
Very nice.
That's true... We do have Felder dealer here in Brazil, but unfortunately the prices became unpractical forcing us to use some "not so good quality" ones...
BTW. A very good way to adjust the squareness is by using the 5 cuts method.
The only times I’ve wanted a sliding table is when I have to cut a dado on a really long awkward piece that’s too big for a sled.
It’s very difficult to keep large workpieces square against the fence AND provide downward force to keep dado depth consistent simultaneously.
I love my panel saw, I have a newer model of the K700 with a 9' slider , not sure if it's the best but very good .
There is a little company in Italy, Rimini that also makes a few sliding table saws: SCM. Change subject, if you are eating lunch and do that much movement with your hands there may be lots of food all over the table and floor. I have the Felder shaper and really like the performance and I understand your enthusiasm.
I'm a couple months away from buying a new Felder sliding table saw - a big one.
Happy for you man 🖤
@@subhanmughal1468 Or possibly Altendorf.. there's one at auction but I'm not quite ready yet.
@@nunziobusiness1509 go ahead and get something you love
@@subhanmughal1468 Tell you what.. I am putting together a prototype that I used a fairly decent Ridgid table saw for the wood parts... NOT SQUARE! GAH!! WTF? Definitely spending the money on a good sliding table saw.
My Ridgid Cast Iron table saw also had the motor and thus the blade at an off angle, instead of straight, could not get it loose to correct it, was supposed to take it in for service ... returned it.
the best safety tool people who got hurt forgot to use is the brain. either they got distracted, stressed, or something else..
And as far as i know Festool also integrated the saw stop technology very recently.
Still a very very useful video i recommend people watching :)
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I gave you a "thumbs-up" for the brain part. So true.
We need those types of table saws here in the US. I own several table saws, but this is the first time seeing a sliding table saw.
They sell them on amazon
Realmente grandioso saber que tengas la cualidad de explicar muy claramente detalle a detalle, tus tutoriales . Te lo dice un varon de 50 años de edad. DIOS te bendiga.
Excellent overview of sliding saws.
This was, without a doubt, your best video all time!!! Thanks!
8:30 There's another trick as well, which I use whenever I can't see if the diagonals are the exact same (such as micrometer differences which can't be measured with a measuring tape. Just take an angle iron and push it up against the corners. If there's a gap between any of the sides of the angle iron and your work piece, then the piece is still crooked. The angle iron has to sit perfectly flat against the piece in order for it to be perfectly square. This trick also works with rounded corners, given your angle iron is long enough.
Super informative video and I especially liked the safety tips! :) I'm always afraid to use a table saw because I know they're dangerous AND because I don't have much experience yet. Well I guess it's better to be afraid than overconfident.
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
That is a very nice saw. In my opinion the best table saw currently available is the martin t75 prex. It can do bevel cuts both directions and has vacuum work holding options.
And only $35k
Martin have made the best table and panel saws in the world for over 50 years
Whenever I see a smaller sliding table saw it always makes me wonder if I should get one. Outside of some of the cons you mentioned though the main ones for me (and I would assume any hobbyist woodworker) are price and footprint. Especially for US buyers who can rarely find the smaller versions second hand, the saws are extremely expensive compared to even Sawstops. Second while the non-moving footprint may be similar in order to take advantage of the sliding functions you need essentially twice the floor space if not more.
Unfortunately it simply makes more sense to get a standard table saw and for anything bigger just use a track saw.
Loved the explanations though :)
Grizzly makes a smaller panel saw and the price isn't much more than a SawStop !
3:17 Haha - this is the first time I've seen cuts in the miter bar. I guess in a 20 year history lots of crazy stuff is going to happen!
Ciao Alexandre
You forget 100% italian production, with SCM Minimax, really popular around Europe and super good machine!
I walked in the factory a couple of weeks ago... love it !!
A couple things you missed. One big plus to sliding table saw is the scoring blade. It is a small blade infront of the cutting blade. It completely eliminates the tear out you always get on plywood. Now two negatives. Depending on the brand of saw you have it can be very difficult to get a zero clearance insert. I have a Robland combanation machine. And make my own. It is not fun. Next negative is again depending on the machine. On some you may not be able to put a stack dado on it. They have looked down on stacked dado's in the uk for years. But they are starting to come around.
15:00 Felder does have what they call PCS on their high-end Format4 550 e-motion PCS. It works in the same way as a SawStop but it doesn't need a new cartridge. It can be reset by pressing a button. Love your videos
Festool also came out with a saw that has the same technology. Extremely expensive ofc. Bosch made a system called reaxx but they for sued from SawStop for infringing patents.
Aksels Grinvalds I just saw that when I was getting the links for the video description, pretty cool stuff! Thanks for watching 😊
Aksels Grinvalds oh I didn't know that about festool and bosch, I'll definitely check it out!
@@akselsgrinvalds1854 Well, the parent company of Festool bought Sawstop, which is why it uses the same technology
@@strale Forgot that, thank you👌
We have a saw stop industrial at my shop and it has a sliding piece that you can buy that is way smaller than the one you showed but it’s not as compact as yours.
You used the word, “repeatable”, something we do not hear enough. Respect to you. I know the metric system but many listeners struggle with it. 120 cm?
Hi, look at fritz und franz (german ), it is great to cut smallest pieces
This.
This style of table saw is very common on Brazil too, we just have alot of cheaper systems in the moving tables, work the same, but not as precise.
Delta had a line of good woodworking equipment labeled by Invicta. They were made in Brazil.
Bosch's Reaxx line of saws has tech similar to a Saw Stop, but even better, because you don't damage your blade. Unfortuantely, SawStop sued to stop Bosch from selling them in the US, while lobbying the government to try to make their own tech mandatory on saws, by law. I don't know if things have changed, but it put SawStop in a bad light, to me.
SawStop successfully defended their patent in court--as any patent holder has the right to do. Government lobbying had nothing to do with it. Felder's PCS technology works by a totally different mechanism (magnetic rather than electrical resistance) and not likely to violate SawStop's patent.
@@geraldyungling3334 the lobbying was a separate point where they tried to get the government to force everyone to license their patent by making saws without that sort of safety feature illegal.
@@benjaminlorrig9299 Yeah that's called trying to have a monopoly then charge anything they want for the product. It says a lot about how greedy the SawStop people are.
SawStop is now owned by Festool but they still do not sell their table saws into Europe or UK. Festool do sell in Europe a contractors saw using the SawStop technology. It is maybe worth pointing out that using a sliding saw like a Fedler normal saw practice does place your hands well away from the blade.
Well Gass who invented the saw stop device spent for years being blown off by USA saw manufacturers to the point 4 years later he decided to manufacture saw stop saws.
I love my Felder K700. A bit expensive until you realize how safe and how much you can get done. Also, the resale on these type of saws are amazing. By the way, I'm not selling my Felder. Too good a saw.
Love the video and the explanation about all the good uses. I especially like how narrow and compact this style of table saw is. My only concern is..how do I put my dado stack in there?
I love u and ur videos alexander chappel
The Saw-Stop part wasn't really true for two reasons:
The first one is, festool actually has sawstop included in some of theire newer tablesaws. The second one: Felder, Altendorf and most of the other manufacterers of sliding table saws have SawStop in their bigger models. Those are actually capacitive instead of resistive (sawstop is resistive). That means the Blade retracts even before you touch it, you don't even get a scratch. Also, their systems don't destroy the blade and break - the saw just has to be turned on again. Of course, those are machines for big shops and industry.
Festool licensed Sawstop tech from Sawstop. I'm interested un your other comment, though. Isn't tjlhe capacitive technology the one Bosch uses, I think it is called reaxx or something like that. I hade the impression it was not as good as sawstop's tech. Do you have a link to an article where I can read more about it?
@@IlfStoyanov that's wrong festool (TTS Tooltechnic Systems) ownes sawstop
@@Julian-ll5zj Oh. That's news to me. I have to do some reading on M&A then. Thank you for the info.
When a company says it saves fingers, but then patents the tech and make a lot of people loose fingers on tables of other brands, then tell me, does that company save fingers? The patent prohibits other companies to invent the same thing, and most of these inventions are only a matter of time before discovery. (I was not familiar with this material, but from your comment I guess the licensing is probably an expensive ordeal)
To me, I like the Volvo way much better: Invents seatbelts and gives the patent to the world, allowing every car manufacturer to reduce deaths in it's vehicles. Shout out to Volvo!
Yeah..thats kinda a dick move by Sawstop..I appreciate my fingers, and would like to keep them, but I don't have 3k to spend to pay their extortion monies.
Best explanation of kickback!
I am wondering what the 65 people that gave this video a thumbs down did not like. Great video my friend!!
Many viewers ask this question. Some say people thumb down when the youtube algorithms send them to the content that is not interesting to them. Imagine you are - let's say - a church minister and suddenly in your recommendations you find Chappel. Mr Chappel. Boomer - thumb down. ...
Probably a bunch of my obtuse fellow Americans stuck on 'American cabinet saws' that don't trust communist Europe. We clearly don't fund our education system appropriately.
I make a lot of cuts where the waste is on the left side. I like the flat top for that.
I am really jealous of the sliding function though.
Great video...but is there a budget-minded STS? Felder/Hammer are fantastic but super pricey for hobbyists and small shop owners
Great video. Informative as well as interesting. Kudos.
In Germany we only use format tablesaws. They're the best. The US are constantly building stops, sliding jigs and other gismos to compensate for not having a formatsaw.
I think these table saws are more populaire in Europe I love these!
Wow, that Felder alternative actually looks better than saw stop. -- Like it doesn't destroy the tablesaw, and it triggers before the contact. That's neat.
Thanks for this. It was exactly what I was looking for.
This was very clear and comprehensive.
And , in my opinion, dangerous. Where is the sawguard ? It is also factually incorrect.
@@jimpackard8059 That’s just stuff liberals make up.
@@Wachpwnskiyou do not have to be a liberal to accidentally drop a piece of wood on top of a spinning blade. That offcut will fly like a bullet. Safety accident data proves that. That is why that guard is legal requirement in most European countries.
Thanks, and a great video! Sawstop now makes a sliding tablesaw, but considering the price, I’ve decided to buy a Festool cordless tracksaw and their folding sawing table. Takes up less room, costs 1/3 the price (or 1/2 with dust collection), and works in the Home Depot parking lot to cut pieces that fit in my truckbed. And by keeping my hands above the saw, I still get to keep all my fingers.
Also, it appears that Festool has licensed Sawstop technology, but I doubt they will sell them in the US… though if anyone can figure out how to make a tracksaw that instantly shuts off before it cuts your finger off, it’s probably Festool.
SawStop does not make a sliding table saw. They have sliding table extensions that attach to a traditional cabinet saw. Doesn't work quite the same since the slider isn't right up against the blade.
Festool bought the sawstop company
You DON'T cut small pieces with the stop on the sliding table but with "Fritz und Franz" as they are called here in Germany.
Another checking for square technique you can use is the 3-4-5 technique. Good for really large pieces that is difficult to do diagonal measurements. Basically on each corner measure 3 units one side and 4 units the other side (creating 2 sides of a right triangle) and measure the distance between the two measurements (the hypotenuse) and it should be 5 units. Opposing right triangles make the piece square. Practical use of Pythagorean theorem. :)
Btw I really like using a track saw for breaking down sheet goods. I have the festool ts55 and can not recommend it enough
That's what I used before I bought a sliding saw like this. Does the same work with much less fuss and better repeatability, not the same budget though!
@@thatcrazyguy1971 i have a big harvey table saw as well. But not the best for sheet goods. But I'm only a hobbyist and can't have it all 😅
Track saws are great, but can't touch a slider. Not even close.
Brilliant take on the current state of the tech. Super useful for people looking for their first saw. I also hope there are more options for the euro-style sliding table in combination with some blade-stop technology. No woodworker should lose a finger because they're tired and the lawyers couldn't figure out how to propagate safety.
Felder offers a superior safety system. It will engage the system before your finger touches and it won't ruin your blade. It works off of electro magnets. At this time it's only offered in the Format 4 commercial grade. In the US it's around $30,000.00 USD.
Here in North America, we’re pretty stupid and use cabinet saws. A few of us are smart. I just bought a felder 700S with the 3 metre table. I built a fritz and Franz jig for it and I use it all the time.
Hello French River Springs. Yeah, can’t wait for my new K 700 S to arrive!
I believe that Felder now makes a saw that has a similar feature to a SawStop but doesn't require replacing the expensive cartridge and blade if the devise is triggered. Unfortunately Felder saws are very expensive here in Canada.
This was a great video and I learnt so many safety tips. You saved my fingers.
Thank you so much.👍
Take no notice of this video for safety. He does not even have the guard fitted. Unsafe and illegal in many countries. He clearly has no idea
Nice video Alexandre 👍👍
Thanks :)) I'm glad you like it!
I'm convinced, but I have one more question lol, what about dado sets ? Different kinds of blades ?
Dado sets are hard to find in europe due to regulations
Felder sells one.
Good question.
There is some dado's, but cant be mounted on all Felder saws, when u ordering machine, u need to specify.
The SCMI MiniMax line of panel saws comes standard with the ability to use a dado blade up to I think it's 15/16" of an inch. I know because I had one! You just can't do any angle cuts with the dado blade.
good to finaly see a type of table saw i'm used to on a youtube video.... funny thing is, we had the same model .. in the design school i did my masters :-)
Bosch also has saws with a similar safety feature like Sawstop. Some Bosch's have a little dinky sliding table I think
I’ll take one like this any day over a traditional saw even though I’ve never used a sliding table before.
1. Great video
2. Who spent the whole video trying to figure out his accent? I hear American, Scottish and some European accents mixed. Im truly amazed and have never heard that combo. Super cool!
By the looks of it, that is far superior than what we have here in the us. You just have so much more ability to rip bigger sheets of wood and you almost don't even need a sled
Thank you for the vid.
I love this saw.
Does it accept a dado stack?
Being from the U.S. sliding table saw are available, have been for a good number of years now. To be fair, it's best to have both, traditional TS and a sliding TS. Never been a fan of sawstop since they were trying to force other manufacturers go to their style of TS. Cheers :)
This was really cool just to see a different style of saw and your reasons for using it. I don't necessarily need a tablesaw but always enjoy hearing the rationale for why a tool is a great tool for the job, especially from someone who does the job well.
Keep up the great videos, they are varied in content and style but all so interesting and entertaining.
I bet if buy one , you will be stimulated & excited to do some woodworking!
Vincent Again, Felder, your fav now make a slider saw with Saw Stop tech for an area around the blade.
Great explanation of sliding table. Thank you.
As noted by others both Felder and Griggio (UNICA Safe) offer (expensive) saws that have flesh protecting features which are arguably better than Sawstop. Festool does have a very small table saw released in Europe using the Sawstop tech they got when they bought Sawstop. Other pros of sliders, many have a second scoring blade to reduce veneer chip out.
Cons: sliders take a lot of space, a
PIA when the roller bearings or alignment go out, and most older ones do not allow dado set use.