You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
so awesome. I live in Boston and am waiting on the saw/shaper version of this machine :) Thanks for the insights, I'll definitely check back here when I'm putting it together :)
I wish a woodworker would do a comparison between an American cabinet saw and a European sliding saw. Actually building a bunch of projects using both saws so we can see the negatives and positives and which saw is more user-friendly.
Both saws have their cons and pros. I have small contractor saw I actually use quite often. If you work only with sheet goods (eg. melamine, plywood) the European slider completely wins.
I have the Felder Format4 shaper with the sliding table. If you get a chance and can find some work time on a T60C Martin saw do try it and you will see the difference. V Rolfe Chicago Felder is now making a 140 cut with the newer model 700 with 400MM blade. Very compact saw like the regular 700.
Format 4 is like Ferrari of the machines, that includes the Martin machinery. You can't even compare these, but I'd love to own a Martin saw, jointer and thicknesser. Maybe in another life 😂😂😂
@@AndreaArzensek I have one Format4 machine and it is advanced compared to the regular Felder series; BUT; Felder premium is not in the same league as the Martin machines due to use of metals, switching, options, machining, machine layout, beef where needed, fine tuning of the settings, etc. Just a different approach by the Austrian engineers compared to Martin lineup. Then, talking about SCM Italy; well they have yet a different approach and so does Altendorf-OMG just short of the mark in lots of areas and functions. For Felder, it is difficult to offer different levels of quality and function and then turn around and be the top in a class that is very competitive. As companies evolve it is difficult to have the same engineers leading the way over a 20-30 years period so cost vs. performance and quality materials tends to drift: this is only normal for all the fields of machine manufacturing. Just look at the American woodworking machines 60 years ago and how things have changed. I bought the Martin machines with a bit of ignorance after visiting the show in Atlanta and seeing Martin and Felder. There were several options on the Martin saw at that time that Felder did not offer for another 3 years. Just luck that I spent the extra cash and got Martin. Took some years of use to really appreciate what Martin does.
I have one of these 700 Saws and I want to know if your blade angle moves on it's own while it's set to zero? I have to constantly check and I have found it moved as much as 5 degrees. 😢
Hi, sorry for the late reply, no it doesn't. Mine seems to have some stickiness when I angle it at around 20° but no big deal. Maybe your isn't tight enough so from vibration it moves. Did you meanwhile solved your problem?
@AndreaArzensek I suppose I will definitely check for looseness. I have had my saw for about 7 years and it didn't have this issue at the beginning that I noticed. I am just trying to understand why Felder installed a screw on the elevation handle and not on the angle? Even the least expensive saws have a break for both.
It is an absolute beast, after some minor modifications to make it fit our needs, we absolutely love it. Compared with K3, on our K700 only the 3Kw motor is the same but everything else is another league. Just the X-Roll is worth the upgrade.
Hello Andreas! I am a bit confused about the adjustment of the sliding table. I have a Felder combination machine and my sliding table are adjusted level with the rest of the saws table.
The sliding table should be adjusted so it is a hair higher than cast iron table. I don't know if that is different on a combination machine. The idea is that it eliminates friction with the cast iron while crosscutting or ripping when using the sliding table. That said, if You want it flush to the cast iron and you like it that way then don't change it. Always use what works best for you, not what others say, unless it improves on your method. Best regards from Croatia 😊
@@AndreaArzensek Thank´s for your comment. I have checked my saw and the Sliding table is 0,05mm above the main table, maybe a little more but not as much as 0,10. In your wide at 7-7.07 minutes it looks like the sliding table are a couple of mm above. That was what made me react.
Hey Andrea. I have just bought a second hand felder saw with no outrigger. I have bought the alu extension table to use instead of the outrigger (due to space and cost) but wondered how useful you find the extension table. How much weight can it support? Do you crosscut long rips of plywood using your extension table? Thanks hector
Hi Hector, I have the same setup because of the limited space. I do crosscut long rips and the table seem to support a good amount of weight, I don't see a problem with it. The only drawback could be the smaller surface of extension table, this not giving enough support to big sheets. Cheers
hello great video thank you very much for your time, I wish I could have the help of the cabinetmaker community, I am undecided between a SCM si nova 400 and the Felder k 700S for my new workshop. I have the experience of having worked with the SCM si nova 400 for 2.5 years and with the format4 for 1.5 years, but I have never seen a k 700S. Thanks to everything and prosperity.
Not gonna lie, I feel like the tables should be perfectly coplanar on a $10,000+ USD saw. I would probably be quite unhappy with this as one of my biggest complaints with my current saw is how difficult it was to make the cast iron top coplanar with the stamped metal extension wings.
As for stamped metal extensions, they are perfectly aligned with the cast iron. Aluminum Sliding table is a hair higher for a good reason of eliminating the friction with the cast when cutting. This is the biggest pro and con at the same time. I've had both saws and I would always choose the slider if I could have only one.
@@AndreaArzensek I also would think that the sliding table should be on the same plan. Would making them the same level really add that much drag especially when the material is being pushed by a back fence and the entire table is sliding. It looks like a beautiful saw. Thanks for sharing 👍
As someone who has a lot of experience with Felder company's tuning saws, I can assure you that that problem is very easy to eradicate - the saw is designed so that you have access to tune every screw. Generally, at the factory they set the table slider 0.25mm higher than the cast iron (so that, it doesn't scratch the laminated surface). Just lower the slider with the screws and you have a flat surface
So did you return your Hammer sling table saw unit or just sell it? I know you had issues with it via the shipping damage. Do you still plan on keeping your Hammer A3 41?
We got a new saw, Felder K700. There is a video on the channel. We're really impressed with Felder 700 , it is a beast and total overkill, but the quality is unmatched and incomparable with Hammer. We aren't quite happy with Hammer A3-41 jointer performance so we ordered Felder AD7-41. The thicknesser on A3-41 is flawless though.
You seem to really enjoy your saw, I'm glad for you.
Having tools that we like is the most important thing.
Have fun with your new toy :)
Hi Alain!
I can't agree more!
Yes, we do enjoy it so far 😊
Best regards from Croatia
You do have to spend some time setting the saw up... blade, fence, etc. But once done, the saw is great. Fairly compact which is Nice th-cam.com/users/postUgkxXh-4_3-ZT1fFWP91ZV7iVqzElr0lEb-a I did get an Incra Miter Gauge which takes some setup as well. The stock miter gauge can be adjusted in the miter slot with a little painter's tape... this tightens up the side to side play a lot.
Yes, only 500kg - very portable 😂
Nice to hear, Morris and you like this saw After all the trouble. Looking forward to your next projects!!
We really do like it. I hope it stays that way. If anything happens I'll surely make an update video.
Good presentation 👏
so awesome. I live in Boston and am waiting on the saw/shaper version of this machine :) Thanks for the insights, I'll definitely check back here when I'm putting it together :)
Oh yes, you'll love it! Let me know how you like it when it comes. Regards from Croatia 😊
Hola Andrea´s hermoso video y maquina..! Tu carpintería es hermosa...! Un gran abrazo querido..! Hasta la proxima.!
Muchas gracias Miguel! Saludos desde Croacia
I wish a woodworker would do a comparison between an American cabinet saw and a European sliding saw. Actually building a bunch of projects using both saws so we can see the negatives and positives and which saw is more user-friendly.
Both saws have their cons and pros.
I have small contractor saw I actually use quite often.
If you work only with sheet goods (eg. melamine, plywood) the European slider completely wins.
I have the Felder Format4 shaper with the sliding table. If you get a chance and can find some work time on a T60C Martin saw do try it and you will see the difference. V Rolfe Chicago
Felder is now making a 140 cut with the newer model 700 with 400MM blade. Very compact saw like the regular 700.
Format 4 is like Ferrari of the machines, that includes the Martin machinery. You can't even compare these, but I'd love to own a Martin saw, jointer and thicknesser. Maybe in another life 😂😂😂
@@AndreaArzensek I have one Format4 machine and it is advanced compared to the regular Felder series; BUT; Felder premium is not in the same league as the Martin machines due to use of metals, switching, options, machining, machine layout, beef where needed, fine tuning of the settings, etc. Just a different approach by the Austrian
engineers compared to Martin lineup. Then, talking about SCM Italy; well they have yet a different approach and so does Altendorf-OMG just short of the mark in lots of areas and functions. For Felder, it is difficult to offer different levels of quality and function and then turn around and be the top in a class that is very competitive. As companies evolve it is difficult to have the same engineers leading the way over a 20-30 years period so cost vs. performance and quality materials tends to drift: this is only normal for all the fields of machine manufacturing. Just look at the American woodworking machines 60 years ago and how things have changed. I bought the Martin machines with a bit of ignorance after visiting the show in Atlanta and seeing Martin and Felder. There were several options on the Martin saw at that time that Felder did not offer for another 3 years. Just luck that I spent the extra cash and got Martin. Took some years of use to really appreciate what Martin does.
Good video, This is very useful information. thank you 👍🏻
Thank you!
Sliding table saws are the best ,i got my SF2 from Stomana Bulgaria.Is a heavy duty price performance Champion!
Nikmann brand or real Stomana? Where do they have dealers?
Kakva luda vožnja! 😂 Čestitke!
Where can you find Felder? I live in the us and I’m having trouble finding the company.
Felder USA, just type it in Google:
Nice machine, I have KF500 prof. Have a plan for the zero clearance? Thanks
Thanks. I don't have any plans, I just made it to fit. It took me almost one day but it is definitely worth it. Best regards from Croatia
Hi Andrea, lovely saw. What was the jig you mentioned to make thin rips on the slider?
Hi SP!
Edging shoe. Marius Hornberger has a video on making one.
I have one of these 700 Saws and I want to know if your blade angle moves on it's own while it's set to zero? I have to constantly check and I have found it moved as much as 5 degrees. 😢
Hi, sorry for the late reply, no it doesn't. Mine seems to have some stickiness when I angle it at around 20° but no big deal. Maybe your isn't tight enough so from vibration it moves. Did you meanwhile solved your problem?
@AndreaArzensek I suppose I will definitely check for looseness. I have had my saw for about 7 years and it didn't have this issue at the beginning that I noticed. I am just trying to understand why Felder installed a screw on the elevation handle and not on the angle? Even the least expensive saws have a break for both.
Good job, nice content, skillful congratulations 👍🏻👏🏻☺️
Thank you! 😃
This is a significant step up from the Hammer K3 slider. It appears to be much more robust.
It is an absolute beast, after some minor modifications to make it fit our needs, we absolutely love it.
Compared with K3, on our K700 only the 3Kw motor is the same but everything else is another league. Just the X-Roll is worth the upgrade.
Hello Andreas! I am a bit confused about the adjustment of the sliding table. I have a Felder combination machine and my sliding table are adjusted level with the rest of the saws table.
The sliding table should be adjusted so it is a hair higher than cast iron table. I don't know if that is different on a combination machine. The idea is that it eliminates friction with the cast iron while crosscutting or ripping when using the sliding table.
That said, if You want it flush to the cast iron and you like it that way then don't change it. Always use what works best for you, not what others say, unless it improves on your method.
Best regards from Croatia 😊
@@AndreaArzensek Thank´s for your comment. I have checked my saw and the Sliding table is 0,05mm above the main table, maybe a little more but not as much as 0,10. In your wide at 7-7.07 minutes it looks like the sliding table are a couple of mm above. That was what made me react.
It is just a illusion, it is also between 0.05 and 0.1mm. That is good!
Do you know who is the FELDER GROUP distributer /agent for Singapore?
I been trying to get k500 pro. But unable to contact any sales agent.
No idea, contact Felder in Austria.
Hey Andrea. I have just bought a second hand felder saw with no outrigger. I have bought the alu extension table to use instead of the outrigger (due to space and cost) but wondered how useful you find the extension table. How much weight can it support? Do you crosscut long rips of plywood using your extension table? Thanks hector
Hi Hector,
I have the same setup because of the limited space. I do crosscut long rips and the table seem to support a good amount of weight, I don't see a problem with it. The only drawback could be the smaller surface of extension table, this not giving enough support to big sheets. Cheers
hello great video thank you very much for your time, I wish I could have the help of the cabinetmaker community, I am undecided between a SCM si nova 400 and the Felder k 700S for my new workshop. I have the experience of having worked with the SCM si nova 400 for 2.5 years and with the format4 for 1.5 years, but I have never seen a k 700S. Thanks to everything and prosperity.
Not gonna lie, I feel like the tables should be perfectly coplanar on a $10,000+ USD saw. I would probably be quite unhappy with this as one of my biggest complaints with my current saw is how difficult it was to make the cast iron top coplanar with the stamped metal extension wings.
As for stamped metal extensions, they are perfectly aligned with the cast iron. Aluminum Sliding table is a hair higher for a good reason of eliminating the friction with the cast when cutting. This is the biggest pro and con at the same time. I've had both saws and I would always choose the slider if I could have only one.
@@AndreaArzensek I also would think that the sliding table should be on the same plan. Would making them the same level really add that much drag especially when the material is being pushed by a back fence and the entire table is sliding.
It looks like a beautiful saw. Thanks for sharing 👍
As someone who has a lot of experience with Felder company's tuning saws, I can assure you that that problem is very easy to eradicate - the saw is designed so that you have access to tune every screw. Generally, at the factory they set the table slider 0.25mm higher than the cast iron (so that, it doesn't scratch the laminated surface). Just lower the slider with the screws and you have a flat surface
Excelente máquina
Gracias Juan!
So did you return your Hammer sling table saw unit or just sell it? I know you had issues with it via the shipping damage. Do you still plan on keeping your Hammer A3 41?
We got a new saw, Felder K700. There is a video on the channel.
We're really impressed with Felder 700 , it is a beast and total overkill, but the quality is unmatched and incomparable with Hammer.
We aren't quite happy with Hammer A3-41 jointer performance so we ordered Felder AD7-41. The thicknesser on A3-41 is flawless though.
you bought this and returned the Hammer K3 due to damages?
Yes, that is about close what happened. I explained it better in my update video. Find it on my channel.
Extraño tus vídeos en español, por cierto ¿cuántos idiomas hablas?
Este video será en Español también, solo que ya lo quise publicar.
Hablo Croata, Italiano, Inglés y Español.
Price kya hai
About €7000
Extraño los videos en español ?
Será pronto. Siempre público primero en inglés. Saludos desde Croacia
@@AndreaArzensek
Sí?
Antes me llegaban las notificaciones, ahora solo me avisa pero solo son en inglés ?
Muy buenos tus videos!
Gracias
Es que todavía no publique el video en Español. Saludos
Great saw. Just really expensive for a hobbyist.
Definitely 😊
Waooo
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