I absolutely love you are someone that use this kind of device for its intended use. I'm not one of these users and my first e-Ink device was a letdown to me but you liking it is great
I will buy it. Bigger screen + ability to use it in direct sunlight + color screen + ability to use android apps convince me to buy it. 10.3 is a perfect size for me.
The Boox Tab Ultra C certainly interests me. However, I'm waiting to see the Quaderno Gen 3. It is a Carta 1250 screen using Kaleido 3. It'll be available in 13.3 inch size, so big enough for a full A4 paper. It seems to be available on June 16.
@@Geekraver That is what was reported for all early pre-production Kaleido 3 screens. Since then this has been improved. I expect the upcoming Quaderno Gen 3 to also have an improved PPI for color.
Very useful information. Easily the best review I have seen so far re: e-ink technology and the TUC. Also appreciate the detailed explanation of how you use and interact with the unit.
2 things you have the stylus attached at the wrong point. the nib should be flush with the bottom of the tablet for best magnetic coupling. Also, kaleido3 is still black and white. the color comes from the additional film layer. There is still only monochrome binary eink driving the panel. the monochrome eink is set behind the RGB subpixels in the color foil. This is why color drops PPI.
Great review and so incredibly honest! I think it's fair to say that color e-ink isn't as exciting as a traditional tablet and there is a general bit of lag that even with very fast refresh rates it's still going to feel slow. But I appreciate how you use it for your work flow for writing and your honest observations. As someone who got the Bigme color when it first came out which was my first eink tablet, all those little things that were "amazing" were aight lol Could be that my entry into color eink isn't the best or could be that I just like zippy electronics, or even a combination of both. Either way, I'm thankful that you voiced the concerns I had as well as pointed out things I hadn't even considered (like typing on eink). Nevertheless, it still seems like an amazing device and I hope you're enjoying it in your work flow. ^-^
Wow this device is amazing! great review. And this kind of devices you don't have to change every year like the iPad or any other android Tablet, this is one time buy. Like and subscribed.
honestly i want an e tablet that can assist me through the end of high school and in university, i don’t like the ipads as note taking is a priority and it feels (for lack of better words) shit to hand write on. i would consider a remarkable but i learn better with colour. is this a good option for a student? i’m not interested in watching videos on it and more looking for a way to write notes and annotate material on a singular device to keep everything in one place. are there any better options?
Look into Paperlike for the iPad. It's a screen protector, and it totally changes the way it feels to write on an iPad. I own one myself, and it's much more like writing on paper than a slippery screen. Plus, it helps reduce grease and fingerprints.
I most CERTAINLY noticed the touchy keyboard contacts. It will toggle between connected and not, just by giving it a stern look. That said, I really like the device, and other magnetic case. The keyboard case has it's uses, but most of the time I prefer the non-keyboard case. Thankfully, it is easy to switch back and forth.
My tab ultra C arrived but I noticed that on the left side (the one with the boox name) there is a stripe of 0.3 cm from top to bottom where it is darker more like a shadow. It is really frustrating. Regardless of the light intensity this grayer area is there, the more light the less grayer but is noticeable.
If you want a stylus upgrade my favorite is Lamy EMR (not safari), mainly because instead of eraser at the back it has a button that turns the nib into eraser and I think it feels way nicer, with better grip and weight.
How do you upgrade or replace the internal SSD or eMMC storage when it dies or you want more space? Can the user replace the battery when it dies? If you were to use this with a pair of ChromaDepth 3D glasses would the muted colors even permit you to get the stereographic optical illusion these 3D glasses produce from red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet?
The size. I have been considering the Boox Tab X (A4 sized). Do you get frustrated at the size of the screen on the Tab Ultra? You are young, so you probably don't have the issues most middle-aged folks, but do you have thoughts on this: screen size, font size, contrast, etc.
That's the main downside. My old E Ink device, a Sony DPT-RP1, has an A4-sized screen, so I need to format my documents a bit differently to make them more eye-friendly on the smaller display. If you're unsure, I'd go for the bigger screen in lieu of color. It makes a difference!
Thanks for this complete test/review. I have a couple question: - might be stupid question but having to use the front light because of the eink filter, does it have blue light effect for the human eye? - have you used the Tab for your office work account? Is it easy to connect and use it with PowerPoint, word, excel & OneNote?
@@ajwriting Thanks. That's disappointing. I assume the one angle it has works for most people. Personally I'm waiting for the Note Air line to get color!
Thanks for the great review! I wonder how the experience of typing with the screen keyboard is. I work a lot while walking and I'd primarily use this keyboard. But I'm afraid it's too laggy or not sensitive enough to the touch of the finger to type.
Yea, Though for me, while I don't suffer from eye-strain, e-ink is still, nonetheless more pleasant look at. And, when I am outside, being able to actually use the device, is real nice
Great review! What do you prefer for writing? The iPad Pro or the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C? And for note taking or editing PDFs? And if someone could own just one of the two, which one would you recommend?
Hello, I have a few questions about this e-ink tablet. I would like to ask you about how switching between resolution(2480 x 1860) for gray mode and resolution(1240 x 930) for color mode looks like? Can I read pdfs in the gray mode with higher resolution(2480 x 1860) on that device? Can the resolution be changed dynamically? 😀
The backlight is more of a "frontlight" in that it mimics sunlight on paper. If you don't get eye strain reading a paper book outside, then this is unlikely to give you eyestrain.
I don't EVER want them to have a positive major or video app experience. I like that I feel it's purely a book and notepad in one. Less distractions. If you're a social media junkie like me you know that convenient social media access can be toxic for you. I'm option for the C so I can take it somewhere and just read/work. But not start binging dumb life sucking apps and videos.
I am super excited for this, it's something that I wanted for a long time, and I might actually end up buying it. The one thing I don't like is the keyboard: the Remarkable has a much better-looking one, with two inclination levels and a less finnicky connection. Those might be a deal-breaker for me because if I buy it I will probably want to use it for word editing on the fly too. Hopefully they'll come up with a better keyboard soon...
can i use this device to open a form in pdf format, sign it, and then email the signed version to somebody? out of all the features its what i need the most but most videos dont say if this is possible
I am certainly interested in this device. It seems like it'd be perfect for me. (Question: Does the cloud version of Word that would run on it still have full editing capacity, such as with Track Changes and such? Is highlighting passages and commenting on them still seamless?)
The android version of Word isn't cloud-based, you can use it offline if you have the Office 365 subscription. It does have Tracked Changes, too, though I wouldn't touch formatting while on anything other than the PC/Mac version.
Thanks - this is a very good assessment (I work as an editor and writer and recently bought the Tab Ultra C after developing a sight problem). The only thing that's driving me nuts at the moment is not being able to get an en or em dash on the keyboard ! (I typed this on my iPad...) Let me know if you've solved this! (Other than pasting from elsewhere.)
Thanks so much for the review! I'm interested in how your workflow is, given that you're a writer! I'm a writer as well and am looking for an e-ink tablet so that I could write and edit my manuscript without distraction. Initially I was drawn to the Remarkable 2 but its features are too limited for my use. Then I discovered the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C (am considering the Tab Ultra X as well) but found your video. Would you recommend it for writers? How do you use the tablet when you're also using Scrivener for writing? Cheers!
Great review. I am looking for a tablet that I can use as a 3rd monitor for reading PDF and selecting text. Probably no HDMI out here either but, looking forward to the day that the refresh rate is good enough for Windows use. For now, RLCD is the only option. Love the Q5 for that.
If Onyx were to release the kernel in the future to create a custom ROM or, alternatively, an ARM-based OS with a Linux foundation, it would be fantastic! There are already a thousand distributions out there, and if they added UEFI support as a bootloader, that would be top-notch! I'd buy 100 of these right away, hahaha XD. I say this because spending 650 euros on a tablet/ebook/PC when we know that display technology will change, and Android updates will eventually stop, is a difficult choice to justify. Instead, if they offered something more, we would have the added value of being able to contribute to a large community and have a consistently upgradable product that retains its value over time. I think Onyx should consider this perspective. More popularity would mean the product becomes well-known, reaching a broader audience. Today, few people are willing to spend 650 euros on a tablet; they think twice. But if they could get a device that remains useful and upgradable for many years, it would be a much more appealing choice. From my point of view, if I have to spend 650 euros, I'd rather do it for a laptop than for a device that becomes obsolete and unusable after just 3 years.
Just a shame the pricing is ridiculous, when you look at what you can get for the price of these. Let’s hope they can mass produce enough to get the price down. I think I’ll by a traditional e-reader and an iPad.
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Can you please test and let us know how google docs experience is via browser or native app? That’s mostly what I use to write and last time I purchased a Boox many years ago, that experienced totally sucked. Thanks!
I've used Docs for a couple of hours and haven't run into any issues yet, but I'll post an update once I've had a chance to work on it more extensively. I do want to test using a mouse with the device, though, since I tend to use that a lot while writing to jump around and highlight words.
Why has nobody bothered trying to take a picture with this? Why is everybody asleep to the fact that these devices are great for documenting things as well as notes and reading if they have a decent camera. it doesn't even have to be fancy. The S6 camera is only 8 megapixels and it's plenty good enough for picture documentation in notes. This tab ultra could be even better but nobody even bothers to push the envelope.
I hope they come out with one! I do like that the BOOX runs Android, though, since my desire to customize the tablet somewhat outweighs my need for a smooth experience.
Educational content would benefit a lot by a color e-ink reader. It needed to be as battery saving as e-ink and does not need to be vídeo oriented (high refresh rates). Education-oriented displays must be color. Can't think about History or Chemistry book in B&W today. Led displays will never be as good so as to allow multiple days charge. I simply don't understand why there is no movement in industry towards that. I think government programs alone could give scale enough to justify it as it could not be much more expensive than a Kindle.
The review itself starts at 5:33 if anyone wants to skip ahead 😁
Bless you
By the way. I am pretty confident that Boox is pronounced Books.
Lol 😂 this is true. I've been trying to force myself to say BOOKS!!!
“Boooocks”
And Onyx is AHH-nix.
I absolutely love you are someone that use this kind of device for its intended use. I'm not one of these users and my first e-Ink device was a letdown to me but you liking it is great
I will buy it. Bigger screen + ability to use it in direct sunlight + color screen + ability to use android apps convince me to buy it. 10.3 is a perfect size for me.
Great review. Very interested to hear more about how you get on with your use case! 🙂
The Boox Tab Ultra C certainly interests me. However, I'm waiting to see the Quaderno Gen 3. It is a Carta 1250 screen using Kaleido 3. It'll be available in 13.3 inch size, so big enough for a full A4 paper. It seems to be available on June 16.
I hope it's good! I've used another Fujitsu e-reader, and it was pretty buggy for me. But that was a few years ago.
Ugh, no; only 80ppi color on that one
@@Geekraver That is what was reported for all early pre-production Kaleido 3 screens. Since then this has been improved. I expect the upcoming Quaderno Gen 3 to also have an improved PPI for color.
Is that (quaderno gen 3) the next "big" thing in Eink land? Or, worth to wait?
Very useful information. Easily the best review I have seen so far re: e-ink technology and the TUC. Also appreciate the detailed explanation of how you use and interact with the unit.
Glad you enjoyed it!
2 things
you have the stylus attached at the wrong point. the nib should be flush with the bottom of the tablet for best magnetic coupling.
Also, kaleido3 is still black and white. the color comes from the additional film layer. There is still only monochrome binary eink driving the panel. the monochrome eink is set behind the RGB subpixels in the color foil. This is why color drops PPI.
Thanks for the tip and clarification!
Thanks for your review, really a very comprehensive work!
Great review and so incredibly honest! I think it's fair to say that color e-ink isn't as exciting as a traditional tablet and there is a general bit of lag that even with very fast refresh rates it's still going to feel slow. But I appreciate how you use it for your work flow for writing and your honest observations. As someone who got the Bigme color when it first came out which was my first eink tablet, all those little things that were "amazing" were aight lol Could be that my entry into color eink isn't the best or could be that I just like zippy electronics, or even a combination of both. Either way, I'm thankful that you voiced the concerns I had as well as pointed out things I hadn't even considered (like typing on eink). Nevertheless, it still seems like an amazing device and I hope you're enjoying it in your work flow. ^-^
Wow this device is amazing! great review. And this kind of devices you don't have to change every year like the iPad or any other android Tablet, this is one time buy. Like and subscribed.
Great review, thank you! Very interesting to see these innovations. I lament that innovations have been slow, though!
honestly i want an e tablet that can assist me through the end of high school and in university, i don’t like the ipads as note taking is a priority and it feels (for lack of better words) shit to hand write on. i would consider a remarkable but i learn better with colour. is this a good option for a student? i’m not interested in watching videos on it and more looking for a way to write notes and annotate material on a singular device to keep everything in one place. are there any better options?
Look into Paperlike for the iPad. It's a screen protector, and it totally changes the way it feels to write on an iPad. I own one myself, and it's much more like writing on paper than a slippery screen. Plus, it helps reduce grease and fingerprints.
I most CERTAINLY noticed the touchy keyboard contacts. It will toggle between connected and not, just by giving it a stern look.
That said, I really like the device, and other magnetic case. The keyboard case has it's uses, but most of the time I prefer the non-keyboard case. Thankfully, it is easy to switch back and forth.
My tab ultra C arrived but I noticed that on the left side (the one with the boox name) there is a stripe of 0.3 cm from top to bottom where it is darker more like a shadow. It is really frustrating. Regardless of the light intensity this grayer area is there, the more light the less grayer but is noticeable.
If you want a stylus upgrade my favorite is Lamy EMR (not safari), mainly because instead of eraser at the back it has a button that turns the nib into eraser and I think it feels way nicer, with better grip and weight.
Is there any way to mitigate privacy concerns with a device like this?
8:52 What Kindle is that, with the physical buttons? Been thinking of getting an Oasis but that one looks pretty good.
How do you upgrade or replace the internal SSD or eMMC storage when it dies or you want more space? Can the user replace the battery when it dies? If you were to use this with a pair of ChromaDepth 3D glasses would the muted colors even permit you to get the stereographic optical illusion these 3D glasses produce from red, orange, yellow, green, blue, indigo, violet?
what a great review! what is the stand for iPad you showed at 5:45? i am looking for a high quality stand for boox tablets
The size.
I have been considering the Boox Tab X (A4 sized). Do you get frustrated at the size of the screen on the Tab Ultra? You are young, so you probably don't have the issues most middle-aged folks, but do you have thoughts on this: screen size, font size, contrast, etc.
That's the main downside. My old E Ink device, a Sony DPT-RP1, has an A4-sized screen, so I need to format my documents a bit differently to make them more eye-friendly on the smaller display. If you're unsure, I'd go for the bigger screen in lieu of color. It makes a difference!
Thanks for this complete test/review.
I have a couple question:
- might be stupid question but having to use the front light because of the eink filter, does it have blue light effect for the human eye?
- have you used the Tab for your office work account? Is it easy to connect and use it with PowerPoint, word, excel & OneNote?
Nice review. Did you say that with the keyboard there is only one angle for the screen?
Yep. Unfortunately, the case only allows the screen to sit at a single angle.
@@ajwriting Thanks. That's disappointing. I assume the one angle it has works for most people. Personally I'm waiting for the Note Air line to get color!
Thanks for the great review!
I wonder how the experience of typing with the screen keyboard is. I work a lot while walking and I'd primarily use this keyboard. But I'm afraid it's too laggy or not sensitive enough to the touch of the finger to type.
All I care about with e-ink, as a person who doesn't suffer from eye-strain, is just the phenomenal battery life.
Yea,
Though for me, while I don't suffer from eye-strain, e-ink is still, nonetheless more pleasant look at.
And, when I am outside, being able to actually use the device, is real nice
Do you think the Boox ultra c PRO is worth the extra cost? Also is the Ultra C upgradeable to Android 12? thanks
Great review!
What do you prefer for writing? The iPad Pro or the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C?
And for note taking or editing PDFs?
And if someone could own just one of the two, which one would you recommend?
Hello, I have a few questions about this e-ink tablet. I would like to ask you about how switching between resolution(2480 x 1860) for gray mode and resolution(1240 x 930) for color mode looks like? Can I read pdfs in the gray mode with higher resolution(2480 x 1860) on that device? Can the resolution be changed dynamically? 😀
The screen doesn't change resolution. The blacks are 300 PPI and the colors are 150 PPI ... even intermingled.
Hello! Does the backlight light make eye strain?
The backlight is more of a "frontlight" in that it mimics sunlight on paper. If you don't get eye strain reading a paper book outside, then this is unlikely to give you eyestrain.
I don't EVER want them to have a positive major or video app experience. I like that I feel it's purely a book and notepad in one. Less distractions. If you're a social media junkie like me you know that convenient social media access can be toxic for you. I'm option for the C so I can take it somewhere and just read/work. But not start binging dumb life sucking apps and videos.
I am super excited for this, it's something that I wanted for a long time, and I might actually end up buying it.
The one thing I don't like is the keyboard: the Remarkable has a much better-looking one, with two inclination levels and a less finnicky connection. Those might be a deal-breaker for me because if I buy it I will probably want to use it for word editing on the fly too. Hopefully they'll come up with a better keyboard soon...
Great review!
Does anyone know the life span of k3 monitor. As far as I know, the screen keeps refreshing rapidly when video is being played.
Which one is better ? That one ot tab x ?
Does this device have a microphone for voice to text input?
Can you do a screencast from it?
Can you do hdmi out
Can you do hdmi in or use it as a second screen?
*Second screen on a Mac
can i use this device to open a form in pdf format, sign it, and then email the signed version to somebody? out of all the features its what i need the most but most videos dont say if this is possible
Starts 5:40
I am certainly interested in this device. It seems like it'd be perfect for me. (Question: Does the cloud version of Word that would run on it still have full editing capacity, such as with Track Changes and such? Is highlighting passages and commenting on them still seamless?)
The android version of Word isn't cloud-based, you can use it offline if you have the Office 365 subscription.
It does have Tracked Changes, too, though I wouldn't touch formatting while on anything other than the PC/Mac version.
Thanks - this is a very good assessment (I work as an editor and writer and recently bought the Tab Ultra C after developing a sight problem). The only thing that's driving me nuts at the moment is not being able to get an en or em dash on the keyboard ! (I typed this on my iPad...) Let me know if you've solved this! (Other than pasting from elsewhere.)
Can you switch to other keyboard layouts?
You can install new keyboard layouts from the Play Store just like other Android devices and activate them in the keyboard settings.
Thanks so much for the review! I'm interested in how your workflow is, given that you're a writer! I'm a writer as well and am looking for an e-ink tablet so that I could write and edit my manuscript without distraction. Initially I was drawn to the Remarkable 2 but its features are too limited for my use. Then I discovered the Onyx Boox Tab Ultra C (am considering the Tab Ultra X as well) but found your video. Would you recommend it for writers? How do you use the tablet when you're also using Scrivener for writing? Cheers!
Very good tablet, if you want to reduce eye strain!
13.3 alternative?
Great review. I am looking for a tablet that I can use as a 3rd monitor for reading PDF and selecting text. Probably no HDMI out here either but, looking forward to the day that the refresh rate is good enough for Windows use. For now, RLCD is the only option. Love the Q5 for that.
It looks like there are more reviews of this tablet than there's stock available for purchase anywhere
I think there's a pent-up demand for a good (but perhaps not great) color e-reader!
If Onyx were to release the kernel in the future to create a custom ROM or, alternatively, an ARM-based OS with a Linux foundation, it would be fantastic! There are already a thousand distributions out there, and if they added UEFI support as a bootloader, that would be top-notch! I'd buy 100 of these right away, hahaha XD. I say this because spending 650 euros on a tablet/ebook/PC when we know that display technology will change, and Android updates will eventually stop, is a difficult choice to justify. Instead, if they offered something more, we would have the added value of being able to contribute to a large community and have a consistently upgradable product that retains its value over time. I think Onyx should consider this perspective. More popularity would mean the product becomes well-known, reaching a broader audience. Today, few people are willing to spend 650 euros on a tablet; they think twice. But if they could get a device that remains useful and upgradable for many years, it would be a much more appealing choice. From my point of view, if I have to spend 650 euros, I'd rather do it for a laptop than for a device that becomes obsolete and unusable after just 3 years.
What's your favorite pen for this device?
I like the STAEDTLER Noris digital jumbo, but the nib does feel more like a pen than a pencil against the screen. So keep that in mind.
@@ajwriting Thx! 😁 is it thicker (by a little/lot) or the same thickness as the boox one that comes with the device?
Just a shame the pricing is ridiculous, when you look at what you can get for the price of these. Let’s hope they can mass produce enough to get the price down.
I think I’ll by a traditional e-reader and an iPad.
Good review
This seems perfect for reading comics outside
I gotta say I love the way you pronounce it like "buux"
Thanks for sharing your thoughts! Can you please test and let us know how google docs experience is via browser or native app? That’s mostly what I use to write and last time I purchased a Boox many years ago, that experienced totally sucked. Thanks!
I've used Docs for a couple of hours and haven't run into any issues yet, but I'll post an update once I've had a chance to work on it more extensively. I do want to test using a mouse with the device, though, since I tend to use that a lot while writing to jump around and highlight words.
@@ajwriting SGTM. Thank you!
Why has nobody bothered trying to take a picture with this? Why is everybody asleep to the fact that these devices are great for documenting things as well as notes and reading if they have a decent camera. it doesn't even have to be fancy. The S6 camera is only 8 megapixels and it's plenty good enough for picture documentation in notes.
This tab ultra could be even better but nobody even bothers to push the envelope.
Supernote is still the best current eink device
Amazon, you can always send it back
I’m such a fan of E-ink
This product seems rough - maybe a color tablet from ReMarkable would be MUCH more refined.
I hope they come out with one! I do like that the BOOX runs Android, though, since my desire to customize the tablet somewhat outweighs my need for a smooth experience.
What does "refined" mean? To me, the versatility of having an unfettered Android OS under the hood is huge.
Good video except for the random red scare yellow peril near the end there.
Educational content would benefit a lot by a color e-ink reader. It needed to be as battery saving as e-ink and does not need to be vídeo oriented (high refresh rates). Education-oriented displays must be color. Can't think about History or Chemistry book in B&W today.
Led displays will never be as good so as to allow multiple days charge.
I simply don't understand why there is no movement in industry towards that.
I think government programs alone could give scale enough to justify it as it could not be much more expensive than a Kindle.
I prefer black and white
IF THIS DEVICE WAS DOUBLE THE PRICE I DON'T CARE..
MAKE IP69 AND MIL SPEC...
Games. I bet chess is great on this. :)
Not every worthwhile game has high graphics demands.
Cool
That music in the background ruins an otherwise intresrting discussion
I love how youtubers take so long to get to the point
5:33 is when the review of the device itself starts. Hope that helps! :)
Why do you love it?
Kindle is my boyfriend
“Booocks”