This was my mother, rest her soul. Married at 17, for 54 years until she died. Her life was all about pleasing my father. I knew so little about her as an individual.
That’s sad. I know someone like that. They were suffering from abandonment issues as a result of not having her father around. She found someone that gave her structure and love and validation. Unfortunately, that person was unfaithful to her many times over. He was also honest in the beginning about his vices, he told her this is who he is and this is what he wanted to do. I have to respect it because she signed up for it from the first day they spoke. They had some deal where as long as her tank is full meaning he is not neglecting her needs in anyway that it’ll be fine. Super odd but to each their own. One day she asked how does he do it because he is always home and never forgetting to call or text, and he would always buy her things and be with the kids. So I asked his best friend and he said that her husband sneaks out while she is sleeping for an hour or he does it on his lunch break. I was curious and I know y’all were too. 😂 anyways it’s like viola said these people have a lot of empty spaces and they end up mixing the pieces. They probably don’t even know who they are anymore.
@@JoJo-op5xySad? It's not sad because if you were able to listen. She said that everything she did in her life, she did because she WANTED to. In other words, she took responsibility for all of her individual choices. Which is something NONE of you modern women EVER do or honestly are even capable of. Which shows me and other men. Just how far the quality of women has fallen.
Pretty much what he’s telling him is you could be mad at your father for the things he did or didn’t do for you, but you can’t take on my pain because it’s not your place
Stockholm Syndrome is real. After all the hurt and abuse Troy put Rose through, she still defends him in the end. Rose reminds me of my mother. My grandmother was condemning, judgmental, smothering and ran my mother's life, even though my mother was married with two sons. And she ALWAYS defended my grandmother. "Just understand." "She meant well." She sounded like a domestic abuse victim. My grandmother mentally and emotionally beat her down so bad, she didn't have the strength to push back.
You know how I know this is a masterpiece? Because all these decades later, August Wilson's words still have people actively debating them and talking about the thing he intended to have them see and speak on ...the Black family. Troy is written INTENTIONALLY to have flaws and virtues because unlike so many depictions of Black men historically, the depth is a reality we all share. And how you see the character ultimately is a projection of your own life experience. Well done Sir August...and bravo!
Denzel in this role, reminded me of my grandfather... I grew up in his home, along with my mom and my sister. I swear that man resented my youth...resented the opportunities that I had that he didn't. He was an angry bitter man... smh
Yall all missed the point..... Did you hear the part when she said. If its LORDS willing she's going to raise the little girl the same way. The point is, Denzel Washington's father was worst than he was. His father tried to take a girl his age he liked, and he beat his eyes closed at 14. If yall watched the whole movie. He raised his son stern, and sometimes bad but, he did the best he could for what he knew for a black man back in those days. His son turned out better than him. So even through the bad times.... He learned how to be better than his father. Its the same thing as today..... How can we be the perfect father, when we didn't have the perfect father's. Hell some of us like me didn't have a father, and raising our own kids now....
We got the point. But at the same time when people do this they tend to dismiss someone's feelings and concerns and that too is a form of abuse. He didn't need to have hatred or animosity in his heart towards his father. Because things like that have NEVER benefit no one. And he probably didn't need to skip the funeral either per se. Because he may would have regret it later on and again that probably wouldn't benefit him. Yes. Denzel's character supposedly didn't have a great father. And that may have distorted how he viewed life and chose to treat people. But it comes a time when the individual have to choose to say ENOUGH. I am going to get better and do better for me and mine. Black people amongst others were in major denial. Talking about we don't need therapy or this and that. Meanwhile they were choosing to dump their garbage on those they supposedly loved and refuse to choose to break the viscious cycle out of fear, pain, shame, guilt, and toxic loyalty. His younger son chose to break the cycle. He saw there was a problem wnd chose to put a stop to it by choosing to reject that way of thinking, being, and behaving. It has to stop somewhere and someone must choose to use the people, tools, and resources that God bless us to have in order to break it in Jesus' name. AMEN. I pray your strength in the LORD IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. HALLELUJAH. AMEN. THE JOY OF THE LORD IS YOUR STRENGTH. AMEN.
No people didn't get it based on a lot of the comments on these clips. If you didn't experience it, you wouldn't know. I have yet to watch the movie because my father was like this. Once I was past my 30s, I saw the good in him. I still don't agree, but those tough parts made me. I didn't let it break me, and I persevered through it all. I used that toughness to put in my son through a sport. I just used it in a different way than my dad. But I was nothing close to what he was. And I will never be what he was. I became a better man for sure. And I don't hate him or despise him for it because that's what made me.
You shouldn't give a hot *damn* about that! His father hurt him, beat him, and kicked him out. You know what prepared Troy for life? Troy, not his father. His father is a failure, and he raised a failure. Troy hurt, beat, and kicked out his youngest son in a drunken rage. Troy abandoned and shamed his oldest son. Troy abandoned, neglected, and belittled his wife. You don't have to be a perfect father, but if you can't show that you love your kids, *then your ass don't need to be a daddy.*
Whether Cory agrees with what Rose said or not, at least he got a conversation. At least he got an explanation, even if he didn't get any closure. Sometimes, all you get is an old, broken woman with Alzheimer's. And you have to ask her if she remembers you.
I'm only seeing scenes from this movie and getting very emotional. I wonder if i'll be able to watch this movie? I'm afraid that I might cry throughout. I really need though, to see it
Great speech, but NO ONE speaks that way -- with so much eloquent observation about life, about self, about love. Only in a movie does something like that happen. But it's a magnification of real life.
@@MrWord283 Well, yes... it is also a vehicle for Viola to deliver another of her dramatic monologues. Clearly what audiences would expect of her. I don't think her son in uniform said a single word throughout.
People use the word gaslighting too easily nowadays, but this? That makes all that abuse the son endured worth it! The son should be grateful his dad kicked him out, right? It could have destroyed him but plot armour made him join the military.
A lot of people around that period of time had to give up whatever aspirations or dreams they had for society expected of them. A lot of them became bitter and resentful.
Yea for real out of all the things women complain about I wouldn't want women to have to deal with men like this these days just because they couldn't go out and make their own money and take care of themselves. A dude like this ain't worth sh*t. Always containing about what he ain't got when he's screwing up and never apologizing or handling his business outside of "well I pay this so do what I say". He was an awful husband and father. He reqlly brought that baby to his WIFE and said help me take care of her.
@BlackMarvel25 he didn't have it in him to show Rose even the basic level of respect. Troy probably would've slapped fire out of her had she brought home an outside baby and asked him to help raise it.
She's taking on a massive responsibility on her own through abuse and infidelity. While noble, we also need to acknowledge what happened to her was unfair and she should never have been subjected to it.
@@nicholasrolison926Exaclty, talking about they don’t make women like that no more😂 I have seen some hard working women who will not stand for cheating.
Hate this movie. Imagine asking your dad why he doesn't like Motown only to have him launch into a ten minute speech about how he doesn't HAVE to like Motown.😆 It's like.....yes, i know you don't have to like something. Why don't you like this particular thing and why can't you just answer my damn question?
I didn't know Denzel character died here well he deserved to he wasn't a good role model for his son and that was why he didn't want to go his funeral he hated his father
Hi everyone! What grade (out of 10) would you give this video?
Damn a ten. I give it 100. Viola Davis is amazing 😍
I agree 100 !
This was my mother, rest her soul. Married at 17, for 54 years until she died. Her life was all about pleasing my father. I knew so little about her as an individual.
Wow ... deep !! ❤
That’s sad. I know someone like that. They were suffering from abandonment issues as a result of not having her father around. She found someone that gave her structure and love and validation. Unfortunately, that person was unfaithful to her many times over. He was also honest in the beginning about his vices, he told her this is who he is and this is what he wanted to do. I have to respect it because she signed up for it from the first day they spoke. They had some deal where as long as her tank is full meaning he is not neglecting her needs in anyway that it’ll be fine. Super odd but to each their own. One day she asked how does he do it because he is always home and never forgetting to call or text, and he would always buy her things and be with the kids. So I asked his best friend and he said that her husband sneaks out while she is sleeping for an hour or he does it on his lunch break. I was curious and I know y’all were too. 😂 anyways it’s like viola said these people have a lot of empty spaces and they end up mixing the pieces. They probably don’t even know who they are anymore.
@@JoJo-op5xySad? It's not sad because if you were able to listen. She said that everything she did in her life, she did because she WANTED to. In other words, she took responsibility for all of her individual choices. Which is something NONE of you modern women EVER do or honestly are even capable of. Which shows me and other men. Just how far the quality of women has fallen.
My mother was like that.
Wow 😯
Viola is acting royalty!! What a performance 👏🏾
Pretty much what he’s telling him is you could be mad at your father for the things he did or didn’t do for you, but you can’t take on my pain because it’s not your place
What? I don’t think he’s trying to take on her pain. Their feelings towards him are very different.
Viola Davis is an American Treasure.
This woman deserve more awards her acting is phenomenal
This is why she is an Academy Award Winner Outstanding Actress 👏👏👏🏆🏆🏆🏆
Watch her in the Fantasia Barrino story. Man the acting was superb in that movie and scene.
Stockholm Syndrome is real. After all the hurt and abuse Troy put Rose through, she still defends him in the end. Rose reminds me of my mother. My grandmother was condemning, judgmental, smothering and ran my mother's life, even though my mother was married with two sons. And she ALWAYS defended my grandmother. "Just understand." "She meant well." She sounded like a domestic abuse victim. My grandmother mentally and emotionally beat her down so bad, she didn't have the strength to push back.
This movie was the most hurtful 💔 broken 💔 movie I have ever seen 😢 😢😢
You know how I know this is a masterpiece? Because all these decades later, August Wilson's words still have people actively debating them and talking about the thing he intended to have them see and speak on ...the Black family. Troy is written INTENTIONALLY to have flaws and virtues because unlike so many depictions of Black men historically, the depth is a reality we all share. And how you see the character ultimately is a projection of your own life experience. Well done Sir August...and bravo!
Denzel in this role, reminded me of my grandfather... I grew up in his home, along with my mom and my sister. I swear that man resented my youth...resented the opportunities that I had that he didn't. He was an angry bitter man... smh
Yall all missed the point..... Did you hear the part when she said. If its LORDS willing she's going to raise the little girl the same way. The point is, Denzel Washington's father was worst than he was. His father tried to take a girl his age he liked, and he beat his eyes closed at 14. If yall watched the whole movie. He raised his son stern, and sometimes bad but, he did the best he could for what he knew for a black man back in those days. His son turned out better than him. So even through the bad times.... He learned how to be better than his father. Its the same thing as today..... How can we be the perfect father, when we didn't have the perfect father's. Hell some of us like me didn't have a father, and raising our own kids now....
We got the point. But at the same time when people do this they tend to dismiss someone's feelings and concerns and that too is a form of abuse. He didn't need to have hatred or animosity in his heart towards his father. Because things like that have NEVER benefit no one. And he probably didn't need to skip the funeral either per se. Because he may would have regret it later on and again that probably wouldn't benefit him. Yes. Denzel's character supposedly didn't have a great father. And that may have distorted how he viewed life and chose to treat people. But it comes a time when the individual have to choose to say ENOUGH. I am going to get better and do better for me and mine. Black people amongst others were in major denial. Talking about we don't need therapy or this and that. Meanwhile they were choosing to dump their garbage on those they supposedly loved and refuse to choose to break the viscious cycle out of fear, pain, shame, guilt, and toxic loyalty. His younger son chose to break the cycle. He saw there was a problem wnd chose to put a stop to it by choosing to reject that way of thinking, being, and behaving. It has to stop somewhere and someone must choose to use the people, tools, and resources that God bless us to have in order to break it in Jesus' name. AMEN. I pray your strength in the LORD IN JESUS' NAME. AMEN. HALLELUJAH. AMEN. THE JOY OF THE LORD IS YOUR STRENGTH. AMEN.
No people didn't get it based on a lot of the comments on these clips. If you didn't experience it, you wouldn't know. I have yet to watch the movie because my father was like this. Once I was past my 30s, I saw the good in him. I still don't agree, but those tough parts made me. I didn't let it break me, and I persevered through it all. I used that toughness to put in my son through a sport. I just used it in a different way than my dad. But I was nothing close to what he was. And I will never be what he was. I became a better man for sure. And I don't hate him or despise him for it because that's what made me.
What about him cheating on his wife and having another child on the side.
Preach these folks different I don’t they white young I just know. Self righteous
You shouldn't give a hot *damn* about that! His father hurt him, beat him, and kicked him out. You know what prepared Troy for life? Troy, not his father. His father is a failure, and he raised a failure. Troy hurt, beat, and kicked out his youngest son in a drunken rage. Troy abandoned and shamed his oldest son. Troy abandoned, neglected, and belittled his wife.
You don't have to be a perfect father, but if you can't show that you love your kids, *then your ass don't need to be a daddy.*
Whether Cory agrees with what Rose said or not, at least he got a conversation. At least he got an explanation, even if he didn't get any closure. Sometimes, all you get is an old, broken woman with Alzheimer's. And you have to ask her if she remembers you.
I'm only seeing scenes from this movie and getting very emotional. I wonder if i'll be able to watch this movie? I'm afraid that I might cry throughout. I really need though, to see it
Someone said this whole speech was a metaphor for the mom saying she just tolerated the dad cuz he had a big pp and now i can’t unhear it
Lmaoooooooo
You kinda fuck it up bruh. I was trying to see it again a second time and oh boy, my mind can’t thought of something nice.😂
What is a pp exactly?
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@@ladennayoung2939Another word for rooster
These move is all about me
Great speech, but NO ONE speaks that way -- with so much eloquent observation about life, about self, about love.
Only in a movie does something like that happen. But it's a magnification of real life.
I speak like that daily mate
yeah.. cause its a movie ..
@@MrWord283 adapted from a stage play...so yea, it's supposed to dramatic.
Hmmmmmmmmm.
@@MrWord283 Well, yes... it is also a vehicle for Viola to deliver another of her dramatic monologues. Clearly what audiences would expect of her. I don't think her son in uniform said a single word throughout.
The innuendo in this scene😮
Don't we all mix up the pieces if we're a certain age. That's what we learned.
People use the word gaslighting too easily nowadays, but this? That makes all that abuse the son endured worth it! The son should be grateful his dad kicked him out, right? It could have destroyed him but plot armour made him join the military.
There's no more women like this anymore. 😢
thank goddess
@@barbarajohnson3876 And 304s wondering why they alone after hitting the wall. 😂
@@barbarajohnson3876 No hyem No ring! 😎
A doormat?! Nooo thank you! Not taking care of no love child! That’s the ultimate disrespect. He clearly didn’t respect her… tisk tisk✌🏾
@@ricosuave7644also there are plenty of women like her out here in America ALONE….PLENTY😂
This lady ke star❤
This show was so hard I always remember when he told her he was tired of standing in the same place, man why are men so unreliable sigh
Do not fall into the trap of generalization. You lose yourself quick.
A lot of people around that period of time had to give up whatever aspirations or dreams they had for society expected of them. A lot of them became bitter and resentful.
I keep hearing that modern women are the most educated ever. Well they are certainly not the most intelligent 🤓
10/10❤❤❤😊😊
They don't make em like this no more
Good thing. I be damn...
Yea for real out of all the things women complain about I wouldn't want women to have to deal with men like this these days just because they couldn't go out and make their own money and take care of themselves. A dude like this ain't worth sh*t. Always containing about what he ain't got when he's screwing up and never apologizing or handling his business outside of "well I pay this so do what I say". He was an awful husband and father. He reqlly brought that baby to his WIFE and said help me take care of her.
@@BlackMarvel25Thank You!
@BlackMarvel25 he didn't have it in him to show Rose even the basic level of respect. Troy probably would've slapped fire out of her had she brought home an outside baby and asked him to help raise it.
Why do you need women to suffer so badly?
These kinda woman are a dying breed and rare.... Sad to see how society is now regarding the females.
They don't make no wo.an like that no more the factory been shut down women who know how to keep it together and they family
Probably because the males haven't improved. These were our grandmothers and they warned us to stay far away from stupid males like that.
Women aren't women anymore. They're just men turned inside out. If I were young again now. I'd have no long term use for any of today's women.
She's taking on a massive responsibility on her own through abuse and infidelity.
While noble, we also need to acknowledge what happened to her was unfair and she should never have been subjected to it.
@@nicholasrolison926Exaclty, talking about they don’t make women like that no more😂 I have seen some hard working women who will not stand for cheating.
I TRULY DONT UNDERSTAND WHAT ROSE IS SAYING😢.HOW CAN A HUMAN FILL YOU UP😮😮😮😮
Hate this movie.
Imagine asking your dad why he doesn't like Motown only to have him launch into a ten minute speech about how he doesn't HAVE to like Motown.😆
It's like.....yes, i know you don't have to like something. Why don't you like this particular thing and why can't you just answer my damn question?
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I didn't know Denzel character died here well he deserved to he wasn't a good role model for his son and that was why he didn't want to go his funeral he hated his father
Rev. Tolliver bout 80 in this play, enty?
I hated this movie.
Lol not even her most emotional scene in Fences.
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