How SOUNDPROOF was my garage workshop??
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- เผยแพร่เมื่อ 29 เม.ย. 2020
- One of the most popular questions I've never been asked on this channel is, how soundproof was my garage workshop? In this video I will attempt to answer that question for you!
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About 30 years ago I supplied some computing equipment to a firm that installed partitions in offices. They use steel framework, two sheets of plasterboard each side, and filled the gaps between the sides with sand. I think they often put a false floor and filled underneath with sand. Must have been fun changing the office layout later on.
Dont even know why I watched after a lifetime in engineering at 71 my hearing isn't that good now 😊 nice one Andy keep them coming.
Pleasantly surprised at how well its sound insulated! Will be keeping this in mind for my shed along with other info. Thanks for sharing!
Me too! I'd never tested it before - didn't have any complaints but was pleasantly surprised! 👍👊
A sound video as we say in Manchester, but seriously that was very useful for anyone who wants to set up a half decent workshop. Thanks
Thanks for the tips. I now know what to do for the garage I'm going to convert, as from 20:00 no noise above 80 db is allowed
Double plaster board both sides with Rockwood in between and plaster board fixed to studs separate from each side has very good sound absorption properties.
Very interesting and helpful. Thank you
When I did mine I went to the local technical college and read up on soundproofing, and all the books tell the same story, density, high mass and keep the holes to the absolute minimum. Sound is like water it will get out through gaps, all the tech books said that if you have gapes that add up to about the size of your thumb(my non tech measurement) then most of the sound insulation value is lost.
I used high density block work on the inside of a brick double garage with 2 layers for the door. When my Felder is running with a 305mm blade going and the dust extractor at full roar it is load inside even with the Peletors on, but outside, just the slightest hum. Neighbours are very happy. There is also and additional double false ceiling.
what kind of "high density blocks" did you use?
@@martin8313 hi I used high density concrete blocks rated at 10.4 N/mm2. Make sure all the joints have no gaps, sound apparently is like water, if you have gaps it gets out.
Brilliant. This is what I have been looking for. Planning to sort my garage workshop Now and through the summer. I’ve been so concerned about the Noise I’ll be making and this really helps. Not so happy that I’m now going into “Farming” 🤣 Excellent
Good luck with it - and with the farming! 👍👊
@@GosforthHandyman I'll think of the farming game next winter.
Awesome video, like you said mass forn the bass and soundproofing panels for the rest.
Great info. I’d love to know how effective it is for your drums.
Very interesting as I'll be converting a garage to an art studio in the future. Insulation is more important than sound, although I will be blasting out music as I work.
I am using my garage as a woodworking shop. It shares a large drywall and wood stud wall with the rest of my house. Would you suggest that I use 18 mm MDF with a 2-3 inch air gap between the existing garage drywall to keep the woodshop noise out of my house?
Thanks!
Awesome info! How did you vent air in the building? Do you have a heat pump or AC, or both?
I love it when you say "To cut a long story short" It means there is about 45 mins of graphs incoming :)
I WISH I'd done graphs now... 😂
WOW. Couldn’t believe how little noise there was outside. Fascinating! I presumed insulation would help, apparently not. I’m looking to insulate my shed and now you’ve messed up my head. Thank You from NE12
Cheers and hello from NE13 to NE12! 😀 Insulation helps a little bit for high frequencies and general deadening of the sound (stops reflections) but high density materials are your friend. 👍
Gosforth Handyman so I gathered thank you. I’ve been saving egg boxes to line the box that the vacuum will sit in
Ps Google says egg cartons for sound proofing is a myth. Humph. That’ll be the recycling bin full 🙈
Very useful , In making a timber workshop and looking for best noise insulation, would you say foam board or wool you used ?
Useful.. thank you.
No worries Richard - glad it was useful! 👍
Hi Andy. I have the same setup with the external wall. Currently with 45mm pressure treated vertical stud's screwed to the brick and 18mm OSB on top. Considering adding 25mm polystyrene board between the wall and OSB. Is vapour barrier moisture barrier necessary? South facing wall. Thanks. Great channel.
Great video. I need some sort of moveable MDF wall for my garage, as I still need to use it as a garage. Probably something I'll get round to in 5 years or so.
Tricky... depends how often you need to use it as a garage. You could potentially build some big MDF doors but they'd be heavy. Good luck with it! 😀
@@GosforthHandyman thanks! I use it every day, so looks like I'll be drowning out the neighbours for a while! There's bound to be a new graphene-based-mdf coming out soon, that weighs only 2kg, with the strength of steel. I'll just wait until then.
I know exactly what you mean. I’m in the same boat. I’m planning to insulate the garage door with at least 1 inch thick polystyrene to reduce the noise. The neighbours keep saying they can’t hear a thing as my garage is a good 50 metres from the block of flats. Sometimes I’m the garage early mornings and I need to use my cordless air compressor so I ended up burying 😃 the air compressor inside a cupboard to reduce the noise.
I will be doing a garage to workshop conversion soon. I would have done it myself but i detected some problems and could do with some help. Fancy a gig down south for a week Andy?
How do you handle ventilation and air distribution (if at all) and how would you go taking care of soundproofing with regard to these considerations?
There's quite a big gap under the door 😉 - if you want proper ventilation in a soundproof space it gets complicated. 👍
Very interesting video. Which would u say is the better insulation in terms of sound reduction, celotex or soft fibreglass??
What did you do for ventilation? I like being able to open my garage door to get some cool air in while I work
Awesome video. Just discovered you. A fellow Geordie based in a less fancy area of Newcastle who has just finished a timber built workshop and discovered things are incredibly loud for the neighbours. Any tips on best timber merchants in the area for sourcing decent quality but cheap sheet materials?
Hey Matthew! Amazingly B&Q (Scotswood for me) sometimes have really good quality softwood ply - worth checking out. Percy Hudsons North Shields are great. Burrells do Medite MDF. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman cheers bud. I've found b and q ply to be surprisingly decent. If I go in with some sizes they'll chop it for free so it'll fit in my car! I teach D and T at one of the local high schools so used to using their facilities during the summer etc. Nice to get set up in my own space.
I've got a metal shed, I'm not doing a lot of stuff in there but I've noticed my vacuum cleaner is loud, I'll have to think about insulation.
I've found with metal sheds you really need to dampen the vibration / movement of the metal. You can get a sticky sound insulation material to put over metal - think it's quite expensive. Or build an inner wooden structure and fill the void with rockwool to dampen the metal a bit. The metal will resonate like a bell otherwise. 👍
which vacum where you using in the video?
I have a wooden shed and the walls are 40mm thick wood and if I was to add all this my shed would shrink in size and its small enough as it is, which is why I tend to use hand tools, the Vacumn cleaner is my noisiest tool
It's really tricky. To properly soundproof a room you're looking at walls up to 1ft thick and sadly this just isn't practical in most situations. Hand tools are good though. 👍😀
I've got a brick garage w/ steel exterior doors and concrete floors. The problem is that I've got 2 roll up garage doors that I can't block because I need access...
What did you use behind the polystyrene on the wall of the garage (if anything)? Looks like there might be a liner behind it on the shot in the video. I'm looking to ply line my brick built garage walls.
Nothing - didn't bother with a vapour barrier. Jury's out on whether it would be needed for a space like this. 👍👊
@@GosforthHandyman Great, thanks for the info.
Does painting MDF reduce the danger of formaldehyde gas? A while back I bought a cheap headboard and that was made from bare MDF and it made my eyes sting (I had to sent it back for a refund) and after some research found that it can indeed cause eye irritation and the gas given off is therefore considered hazardous to health.
No, this is a myth. More formaldehyde is released from fruit. Peter Millard did some good tests about this: th-cam.com/video/k5Ka-Y1m-6I/w-d-xo.html Sadly tabloids such as the Guardian have perpetuated this nonsense since it makes a good story. 🙄👍
Thank you for this description of your workshop. 10:29 - What would you recommend for the floor if you live in an apartment? Polystyrene insulation with 18ml plywood also?
Floors are problematic to do properly. If it's a wooden floor you really need to make a new suspended floor that doesn't touch the existing joists that support the downstairs ceiling. Not easy. Insulation / ply can help but it won't be soundproof. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Okay, thank you so much for replying. Wouldn't it help if I suspended the floor stud on some 1 cm rubber pieces? Along with insulation and double-plywood on each side, with Green Glue inbetween each plywood sheet?
If this doesn't reduce sound of a table-saw in an apartment, then I guess nothing will
Hi Andy, We are often called upon to build housings for air handling units, compressors, generators etc. We tend to use a slightly different technique. For smallish housings, usually a single skin structure, we use a foam liner. This is glued to the skin, stops resonation and deadens the sound like curtains and soft furnishings in a room. Something not too dense works best. For something that needs to be double skinned like a workshop, we use rockwool as you have recommended, but we tend skin it with a perforated board. If you put a layer of foam tape along the studs before attaching; it helps cut down transmission through the studs to the outer wall. For the guys wanting to damp extractors etc. if they take a look at your video th-cam.com/video/g-Ypz6RvKOk/w-d-xo.html …. notice the rubber feet like those on the Swan.....they definitely help when combined with all the other measures. Only just subscribed, but it's great to go through your vids and see a fellow tradesman sharing their knowledge so freely.
Cheers - good info! Air ducts are always a problem - do you have baffles & mazes to prevent sound being passed down the duct? 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Hi Andy. There are no baffles within the ducting, we use rubber between fixing brackets and ducts to stop resonation, but the only thing that could be considered to be a baffle is at the end of a duct where we tend to use a louvre. I'm sure your scientific mind will now be looking into the physics of how louvres baffle sound, so looking forward to another potential video! Keep up the good work and stay safe.
The air gap will kill more sound than the densest material available at a big box store.
Not really. Big box stores sell concrete.
What about hammering, using air tools, compresslors
We need the before test for comparison. Tear it all down and start over.
Looking forward to the new workshop insulation videos! Thanks Andy, and keep safe!
Cheers Paul - stay safe too! 👍👊
I am into tornado sirens that's my hobby would this work for running a siren in your garage. Siren is about 109 decimals.
Nobody may have asked, but we were all thinking it! :)
4:30 "Density is your friend"
6:20 "Sound transmits through solid surfaces very well"
Isn't this a bit contradictory?
I know, I explained this terribly 😂. Basically a solid object will transfer sound to another solid object easily if they're touching. E.g. wood to a garage door. Density still trumps this... but basically leave an air gap. 👍
@@GosforthHandyman Also, solid objects of differing materials with different densities helps.
@@DxBlack spray foam sealant is also works to add density inside doors without the added weight of concrete (mentioned in the video)
The basics of sound insulation is, "density and de-couple". You want "layers" (walls) with as much mass or density as possible, and you want no fixings between those layers, only an air gap. Clearly layers (i.e walls) won't stand up by themselves, so you have to have some mechanical fixing, and that is where the fancy sound proofing fixings come in. Green glue, resilient channel, genie clips.... are all ways to de-couple adjacent layers of mass (walls). The denser your walls the better, the less vibration transmitted through the fixings the better. Simples. 😊
It's not a question I asked, but I did want to know the answer. Both for workshop purposes and I want to make a safe-space for singing too. Although that's not for the neighbours... that's so I don't die of embarrassment when people hear :)
Oh wow - awesome! Do it! Low frequencies are the hardest to deal with so the human voice should be blocked out no probs. Enjoy! 👍😀
not on subject i'm in the market for double sided tape I've ordered 3 M's 9088 tape for replacing a splinter guard. But need a double sided tape which is not so expensive to use as a hold fast or copy a pattern with router which I plan to do in the future . reserve 3M's tape for heavy duty work . Thanks in advance stay safe .
nice 😃
Metric will be your friend. Well, hopefully. Some day. Any day. Thanks for the good stuff anyway.
No worries bud! 👍👊
Won't be able to hear the kids screaming or the wife shouting, as she lunges at you with the bread knife ! 👍🤣
I could be a bloody ravaged mess in the workshop and nobody would know for days! 😬😂
I now have visions of "Dexter"
The test i want to know is do you ever take that baseball cape off?
Lol... it's rare 'cause I invariably end up cracking my heed on something. 😂
@@GosforthHandyman its nailed on its it
@@Jaggie1651 glued
6:58 Yes.
I was wondering. How soundproof is your shop?
Excellent question. Funny you should ask... 😂😂
Good video.
Iv seen and read a few articles from sound engineers saying air gaps do nothing but I know you are a sound engineer and you do very thorough and well researched programs. Iv just built my garden workshop in my garden and want to keep noise down as much as poss for my neighbours benefit. Iv got 4x2 frames wrapped in building membrane and cladded outside with 20mm timber, so with almost 4 inch space to fit insulation I was thinking created a small cavity gap of about 20mm between outer cladding and the insulation then cladd inside of workshop with a sheet material probably ply as it’s more resilient than mdf. Then there is approx a foot between my workshop wall and neighbours fence.Would you say this will help in keeping tables sae/ router noise down to a minimum from neighbours?
Hope you get chance to read and pass on your opinion. Many thanks
Very considerate for your neighbour, but I see one short coming with such extreme sound proof, no one could hear you if you have injured yourself in the workshop, ie screaming for help. Of course fingers crossed that you don't.
With the dense wall materials you've used, you will certainly reduce sound transmission between inside and outside.
However, those dense materials usually have hard surfaces, which allow sound to echo repeatedly around the inside of the space. I believe it would be worth installing sound-traps inside the workshop to mitigate sound reflection. There'd still be direct machine-to-ear transmission of sound, which would necessitate wearing ear protection, but the overall amount of sound battering away at your hearing would be significantly reduced. And with less sound inside, less sound would leak to the outside.
I'm in the process of refitting my workshop (which has two concrete walls), and the first two items on the to-do list, when it's even half-functional, are dust collection and sound traps.
Why the past tense ?
simulators are amazing
Why are you moving from your workshop?
Nice murder room.
Love your videos, but this one is a bit vague imo and not informative to really offer guidance. The subject of 'soundproofing' is quite complex in practice although you do cover the main areas such as 'flanking' (noise transmited through solid objects touching each other) and airbourne noise. How soundproof a building is will vary depending on the frequency you are measuring, bass (low) frequencies move a lot of air so are much harder to stop than higher frequencies (like a vacuum) think about a car driving past with a loud stereo, you always hear the bass. Any structure is only as good as the weakest part which is either where it leaks or where the density (kgm3) is lowest. There is little point building a double skinned concrete wall with a really high kgm3 when another wall is 18mm MDF. I would really suggest anyone embarking on this tyope of project spends time reading some good books and doesn't rely on TH-cam or forums as there is so much misinforamtion, and some of the building techniques are counter intuitive, there are also lots of specialist products that can be avoided or must be used only for specific designs and if used incorrectly are just a big waste of money.
A garage door in a garage😂
*Gurrge*
What's the reason why you're not using your garage as a workshop anymore?.
He's relocating south to Durham so he can easier fix my fence issues and a shallow retaining wall that's collapsed...roof ridge tiles need repointing too.
He's moving house
@@njuham I thought that was the reason.
Yup - moving! 👍👊
@@GosforthHandyman looking forward to you building your next workshop.
MDF, the silent killer👎
Please don't go backward on Old Imperial when the rest of the world has moved on to precision Metrics already for a very long time.